Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

  • RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
  • RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
  • RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

 

Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

 

Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

  • RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax

The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

 

"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.

Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

  • RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK

And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

As RT reports,

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

 

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

 

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

 

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

And asks for US proof of their accusations:

  • RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible  - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it? 
  • RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"

And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryRadar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.

No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryNo Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry


Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

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Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)

The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.

In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

 

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

 

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

 

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

 

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

 

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

 

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

 

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

 

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

 

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.

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Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda.

We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17's black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.

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Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:50 | 4983123 Pool Shark
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Also looks like Obama & Kerry might be relying on fabricated videos:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/video-of-rebel-buk-launchers-headed.html

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:51 | 4983125 medium giraffe
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Pressflow error in 5, 4, 3......

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:59 | 4983150 BaBaBouy
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UKR Using The Civil Jet As A Decoy ?????????????????????

AGAIN... Where Are The KIEV Flight Control Recordings ???????????

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:05 | 4983183 SpanishGoop
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They are not ready yet.

They have to find an actor with a Spanish accent.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:15 | 4983219 power steering
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"Well, I, uh, don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir".--Gen. 'Buck' Turgidson

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4983255 camaro68ss
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Can't play checkers vs a chess player Obama

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:24 | 4983279 john39
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there are many more unanswered questions about this event, which by all appearances, is yet another false flag:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/20/wrong-aircraft-identified-as-mal...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:37 | 4983351 kliguy38
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You're a conspiracy theorists!!!!  TAKE THAT!!

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:45 | 4983382 jaap
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Still I am curious about the german government document about radar manipulation

http://adam.curry.com/enc/20140720012844_1801925hunkolinke.pdf

Since the beginning of June this has been going on and it makes it possible for fighter jets to spoof military registration indicators on commercial airliners. It also explains the news that started that time that airliners disappeared from radar (remember http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/10898385/13-planes-vanish-from-radars-over-Europe.html ).

This part of the analyses starts at 1h and 10 minutes in the show: NoAgendaShow.com

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 10:55 | 4983425 strannick
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Guess we now know why the Uke intelligence took the Kiev Air Traffic Control audio. "MH17 to Kiev traffic. Why did you divert me into a war zone and why did a Uke fighter just launch a middle at me?"

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4983569 SafelyGraze
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what putin *shoulda* done is announce a buy-up of ibm msft appl fb netflicks etc

drive the price momentarily to the moon

create buzz by public and msm about the possibility that stock prices can be manipulated for strategic/political reasons, not fundamentals

then stand back and watch the freefall

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 11:51 | 4983789 Beam Me Up Scotty
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If he was smart he would do that with physical silver.  Corner the market, and crush the banks that are short paper.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:19 | 4984560 THX 1178
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Is kiev actually kiev? Could it have been infiltrated by CIA?

Also, why would Kiev shoot down the plane?

If kiev shoots down the plane and it is successfully blamed on Russia, the USA might come into the territory and hlep Ukraine defend itself against russia. Simple. Flase flag.

IDK. nobody knows shit about what actually happened.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:56 | 4984728 Sandmann
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Huge CIA facility in Kiev with support from Academi aka Blackwater

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:53 | 4985603 Truthseeker2
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 18:59 | 4985622 Elvis the Pelvis
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Putin got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.  The Russians are repsonsible.  Just deal with it.  Bitchez.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:39 | 4985777 Rakshas
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PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!!!  

.............sorry since the free white van vaccination been prone to outbursts of stupid comments...... how'd they get you??

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 01:45 | 4986828 Quus Ant
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Quus Ant getting paranoid.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 01:54 | 4986842 Tall Tom
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Don't drink the Floridated Water...or take Antidepressant Medications.

 

You will be alright.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:11 | 4984797 ilion
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When will Obama take his head out of his ass and provide some of his evidence? Oh sorry, I forgot he doesn't have any.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:52 | 4986729 bankerbackbacon
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 Is kiev actually kiev? Could it have been infiltrated by CIA?

 

Bingo THX1178, you win prior knowledge to another occult banking war started by the London, Tel Aviv, Washington Axis of Evil. Fuck North Korea, that guy needs to worry about getting a decent barber.

The people who want world communist government need a supposed sovereign state to fight another one so we can get rid of those pesky regional governments once and for all and we can erect the AntiChrist as world leader. Don't worry I'm full of shit and nobody in this world believes this stuff. Actually Billions believe this.

Seems like yesterday Putin was paling around with Bush Jr, things change awfully fast. Maybe Putin still is a Royal Arch Mason? Pray he is Christian and not part of some Hegelian hoodwinking.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 07:02 | 4987086 Tarshatha
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"If he was smart he would do that with physical silver.  Corner the market, and crush the banks that are short paper."

That's what we should ALL do, and speed up the death of this Rothschild beast. 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:04 | 4983879 giggler321
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Putin should be careful of what he says.  Perhaps the exercise is more of a Western prep to see the capabilities of their new Fo before anything real starts.  This way they can change their actions during play...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:22 | 4983987 Arius
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you really believe they are a match?

 

well anything can happened i guess ...

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 17:33 | 4985350 robobbob
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a "match" is not required. good enough suffices. and boy those T34s were quite a little surprise for german intelligence

even at 5:1 rates, the red hoardes were more than a match for panthers and tigers.

technical superiority is nice, but only one variable in the equation.

 

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:47 | 4984409 Urban Redneck
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That presentation actually was very carefully worded. As much as I've been harping for the release of raw data - what the Russians showed was only the civilian radar data which the tower in Kiev could (and should) also have shown even earlier, and then the Russians challenged the US to respond with hard military data and called them out with the specific satellite and exact (down to the second) overflight window of that US satellite -- which should have all sorts of informative pictures at a resolution that puts HD porn (much less YouTube) to shame.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:39 | 4984892 TheReplacement
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It is not up to Russia to prove their innocence.  It is up to the accusers to prove their accusations.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:37 | 4987252 Squid-puppets a...
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i know, youd think with all the western demands of putin that the event happened on Russian territory. Maybe this all means it is effectively regarded as russian territory in the subconscious of western critics

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:43 | 4986652 Tall Tom
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There will be no USA Military Satellite Data offered as it officially will not exist.

 

IR does not work when it is overcast. (There was weather.) Neither does visual...especially at local night.

 

Radar...They have that. Why confirm it?

 

The Civil Radars, Ukranie ATC tapes, and the Black Box have enough to tell the story.

 

The Ukranians are not cooperating. What is the motive?

 

Now I previously had a suspicion that MH17 was shot down by an Air to Air Missile. I proposed the hypothesis that it may have been a USAF F-117 Stealth Fighter that would not have a Radar Signature.

 

But from this presented evidence it seems that a Ukranian Air Force Fighter was scrambled as an interceptor...instead of a Stealth Fighter.

 

What a stupid clusterfuck waste of lives. This is very, very sad.

 

The incompetence of the Obama Administration to properly execute a Black Flag is actually a blessing in this case.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4984960 Cacete de Ouro
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Here is a must watch video of the UkSATSE (Kiev Air Traffic Control) office being stormed last month on June 4th

Embedded video
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/541199-storming-uksatse-main-office.html

See comments at link for possible explanation as to what it was about. You tell me, I don't know...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 07:35 | 4987129 HardAssets
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But we've been told the US has the EYES in the SKY and EARs Everywhere Else - Watching/Listening to everyone global spying system. Surely, they have recordings of air traffic control audio from such a crucial region ?  And the Russians say there was a US intel satellite over the area when the plane was shot down. So where's the evidence from that ?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:15 | 4984253 Reptil
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The russians have VERY good radar systems (long cycle).
It seems they picked up things that the Ukranian army (and their USA advisors) thought were not visible.
I never expected there would be a day to praise russian militairy technology.
Bizarro times.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:28 | 4984331 ThirteenthFloor
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When your country spans 12 time zones....long range radar is a must.  Second when your country is re-allocating money from advancing technology and science to defending its global currency, you fall behind in everything.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 13:45 | 4984402 BlindMonkey
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As a vet I NEVER expected to be rooting for the Russians vs the US.

However, I see us as the global instigators of chaos and destruction and Russia as largely a country that wants to be left alone to conduct commerce and fix their own problems in their way. Certainly they are not perfect but I also don't see them carrying the same war chubbie in their pants like the US MIC that is completely savage and insane.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:01 | 4984486 11b40
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Amen, bro....me too.
The disgusting rot we have running this country for the past couple of decades, and especially since 2000, make me want to puke.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:03 | 4984495 Jack Burton
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I am a vet as well, and I agree with your post. The recent record of the US and NATO is bad, it started with the NATO air war against Serbia to aid Muslims to expand their control in former Yugoslavia. WHy was NATO so worried about Mulim power in Europe?

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 14:22 | 4984569 john39
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the criminal perpetrators use the Muslims, just as they use Americans...  and central americans to swamp North American culture.  they plan is simple, destroy all civilizations, and thereby eliminate threats against your small little empire... that dreams big of running the world...  until now, mostly by way of deception.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 19:13 | 4985677 The_Prisoner
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By deception indeed. It's beyond chutzpah!

Those of us who are aware of the deception must hold fast, because it is going to get bumpy.

However, history has shown that they always over-reach, so when they miss the next rung on the ladder, as they are known to do, the world will have another chance at a future without parasites.

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 01:19 | 4986792 whoflungdung
Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:42 | 4984895 Shizzmoney
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RE

Why was NATO so worried about Mulim power in Europe?

The same reason CIA-funded think tanks backed Islamic Salafaists in worn torn Chechyna from 1999-2003: so that the US oil+nat gas corporations could be the first at the trough when the new boys took over (which they didn't; hence why now Gazprom worth billions).

Putin is a piece of shit too.....just see how he handled the 2004 Beslan School Hostage crisis.  It in the end is bad for the citizens, who are forced to eat either a steaming pile of solid shit; or a steaming pile of liquid shit.

That's really why the whole "terrorist" thing is now just so LOL; the US funded the majority of these groups who now hate them.   

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 00:42 | 4986728 The_Prisoner
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Poroshenko tweeted that Lockerbie, 9/11 and MH17 are basically the same.

In that I agree with him. All three were orchestrated by the US.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:36 | 4984874 Jstanley011
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An excellent talk from December of last year at the University of Bristol by the British writer Peter Hitchens (brother of the late Christopher Hitchens) has begun turning my head around about Putin and Russia:

Why I Like Vladimir Putin

His blog posts over the last couple of days on MH17 are excellent also:

Mourn the victims... but don't turn one tragedy into a global catastrophe

 

A Plea for Restraint on the Ukraine Tragedy

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 15:59 | 4984967 PoliticalRefuge...
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Right there with you- I cannot recognize this country any longer..it's way past time for a complete reboot.

Mon, 07/21/2014 - 21:59 | 4986317 Backwoods
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I don't see how you see us as the instigators of chaos and Russia a passive peace loving country in the current situation.  Other than some minor sanctions for political cover, the U.S. has done little, while Russia has done everything short of overt war.  It has seized land, deployed special forces behind lines, and funneled serious resources into its clients in Ukraine.  Far from lusting for war, the president and the Congress are mostly staring at the floor, hoping no one notices them averting their eyes from what is happening in Ukraine and elsewhere around the globe. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:29 | 4989176 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Backwoods, you're either a shill or a retard.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5012112 Pesky Labrador
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We have special forces in 97 different countries, WHY? I bet there is no offical count to how many counttries we have CIA operatives in.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/us-special-operations-forces...

 

You need to stop listening to the MSM and open your eye's, we are in everyones business. PERIOD!

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