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Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity
Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:
- RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
- RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
- RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17
Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.
The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:
Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).
Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:
- RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax
The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.
"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.
Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:
- RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK
And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:
Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.
“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”
The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
And asks for US proof of their accusations:
- RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it?
- RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
- RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
- DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"
And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.
Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.
“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.
The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.
Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryRadar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry
While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.
Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry
“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.
No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryNo Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry
Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry
The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.
* * *
Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)
The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.
In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.
1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?
2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?
3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?
4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?
5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?
6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?
7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?
8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?
9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?
10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.
Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.
* * *
Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda.
We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17's black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.
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This guy is hilarious!!
"And Russia has send it's army all around Ukrain borders which is aggresion."
sounds like sound border security to me. obummer could learn something from that.
My fav is, 'they are working with the OECD.'
Put your USA! USA! USA! Pompoms away honey, you're drowning in a sea of Red White and Blue..................
11. STFU
Iran Air Flight # 655 - look it up bozo
1 - stop lick your balls, you gonna finish to step on your tong on the sidewalk.
2- your avatar is a very nazi cross similar...
3 - pro russians cannot by nature invade ukrain, because they are ukrainian... idiot.
4- pro russian is a name given to ukrainian ppl who chosen the east russian part where they also speak russian, history of the land, and the west, galicy etc... is near europ side & hate russian, & are german friendly, so nazi-part historically.
5- take ages to explain you reality of the world, so
6 - Fuck you.
7 - he is just another Banderatarded Yatzi oaf.
So our policy has descended from russophobia, to glasnost and perestroika, to engagement to .... to being lying c0cksuckers. Peachy
I may have missed it but so far I haven't seen any references to the US shooting down of an Iranian AirBus with 300+ people on board.
Where were the sanctions for that one?
Right.
They said they were sorry....
Btw. i am still waiting for Obummer to speak.
Ah - the Vincennes incident.
Wiki away, everyone
Exacto!!
Meanwhile over in Gaza, The Zionist Hebs have slaughtered 100's of innocent women and children... But that's ok? CNN put that in your pipe and smoke it...
what the hell would you do if Mexico launched 2000 rockets into Texas or CA.??
Get a rocket shield!
"what the hell would you do if Mexico launched 2000 rockets er, 2 million gang bangers, sick children and welfare teet suckers into Texas or CA.??"
You're right, lets invade that shithole
If they launch from the other side of the Mexican border they will only hit Mexican occupied areas of the US.
Wake me up when they start killing the whites or Asian immigrants that keep the lights on.
20 or 2000? How would Hamas have 2000 rockets? Even 200 is a stretch. Israel fakes vids and is showing the same rocket flares over and over again. Could even be Israel's own rockets aiming conveniently at Israel's no-mans land which is why the casualties are low. The Dome is a joke and Natty is a psycho.
UK media are in full porpaganda mode today. The Guardian which used to be a credible new outlet jas now been cowed into submission by GCHQ since Guardian gave voice to Snowden. Since GCHQ smashed up the Guardian newspapers hardrives they have been under GCHQ control who monitor the site and even moderate the comments.
Far fetched I know but it's defo going on
it appears the blind sheeple, some even who post here are perfectly happy to remain with there heads in the sand.
I guess all it took was to dust of a new old fabled enemy and suddenly Washington and the MSM are again the paragon of all that is truthful beyond question, just beyond reproach and only have all our best interests at heart...
it's sad how quickly some are willing to forget all the lies, all the innocent people the world over who's lives have been destroyed who families have been murdered in the name of spreading Washington's brand of freedom, peace, democracy, human rights and general good will towards men.
Saddam Hussein
Gaddafi
Brasher Al Assad
Iraq
Libya
Afghanistan
Syria
Serbia
Mogadishu
Waco
...and so many others including right here in the good old USA
wherever, whenever the thieves, liars and murders that roam the halls of power in DC choose to extend there influence they only ever leave poverty, destruction, destitution, economic ruin, war, chaos and death in their wake. we have all seen this over and over again, we are living it right now, all day every day.
Vladimir Putin? he is not the villain here, he is nothing more that an obstruction that needs to be swept aside, why else to you suppose this happened now, is not the timing of this incident more than a little suspicious given the larger picture. look at the news coverage, all Putin, mass murderer, insane dictator and power mad tyrant who now shoots down civilian airlines for the sheer joy of it.
Vladimir Putin new terrorist public enemy number 1.
we are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia.
but haven't we seen all this before? does this not all look, sound and feel so very familiar?
the same song and dance, the same dog eared script run out to the masses, the same propaganda.
the only thing that ever changes are the names, who we should hate and why we must hate them.
"just like the pied piper lead rats through the streets
we dance like marionettes
swaying the symphony of destruction"
and proof? evidence? not needed when you have a propaganda machine that would make Goebbels blush. "tell a big enough lie, tell it enough times and it will become the truth".
only this time is different, the arrogance, insanity and blind ambition and greed of those in power have brought us all, all of humanity to the edge of destruction. the hands on the doomsday clock tick over one minute closer to midnight.
the truth of what happened? we will probably never know, maybe someday in the far future after it no longer matters it will come out, but the question is who will be left to discover it and will they then mourn for the world that was?
"...and proof? evidence? not needed when you have a propaganda machine that would make Goebbels blush. "tell a big enough lie, tell it enough times and it will become the truth"."
But, but, but... we have 'consensus'!! Both the right and the wrong (er, sorry, I mean left) are on the same page. hehehe... quite a diversion at just the right time.
Yeah, but who cares that America kills over 15 million brown people every year when 6 million Jews die again and again and again?
Are the missing US & Russian nukes that have been pilfered over the years about to be put into action by a mysterious unnamed 3rd party?
"Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741192
"[I] saw a spinning plane without a wing with something falling out of it. The plane was shot down,” he told RT. “There were explosions in the sky. And apart from the loud sounds of the plane itself, I heard the buzz which fighter jets make.”
http://rt.com/news/174020-ukraine-malaysian-plane-area/
The real purpose for the MH17 shootdown was to threaten the EU into getting over their reluctance to impose significant sanctions which will hurt their economies. Hillary came out within minutes of the event to say that it should result in "firming" the EU's resolve in applying sanctions. The Luciferians are holding the EU hostage to further their objective of owning the resources of the Ukraine and ultimately, those of Russia. The fact that the Luciferians HATE Christian Putin makes it all the more pleasant for them to push their agenda.
This is just getting embarrassing but I guess this alternative evidence offered won't get reported, rather it will now just fall off the media and political spotlight.
If the Russians hadn't had ships in the Med during that event and intercepted U.S. and Israeli communications the Israeli's probably would have been successful in sinking her and killing off the rest of the crew.
Talk about being unsung heroes to the World -again!
Denninger banned me from TF today over posting the RT link in one of the MH17. He supposedly thinks that is "partisanship" or whatever, to even post the Russian point-of-view without making ANY claims whatsoever as to its veracity. However, he has not banned a multitude of other posters that he allowed to freely post totally unsupported accusations against Russia and the ethnic Russians in LPR and DPR that are fighting for their survival in the MH17-threads thus far.
Denninger banned me from TF today over posting the RT link in one of the MH17. He supposedly thinks that is "partisanship" or whatever, to even post the Russian point-of-view without making ANY claims whatsoever as to its veracity. However, he has not banned a multitude of other posters that he allowed to freely post totally unsupported accusations against Russia and the ethnic Russians in LPR and DPR that are fighting for their survival in the MH17-threads thus far.
And the simple reason why 'Carl Boy' docked you?...
His money isn't parked in Russia making him money!!!
I think the toughest one I've had to come to grips with is Judge Napalitano as the lone voice of dissent at FOX. But I keep reminding myself who he's a paid whore to and it makes perfect "cents" that he would jump on on board with the rest of the psychphants when Uncle Rupert demands it!
how is his Bitcoin . NFLX, AMZN, AApl short going?
Kamath, I am surprised you lasted this long over there but other then that how's life in Sveden?
Thanks for asking, we have a great summer. Other than that, our media is disgusting (same as US & UK) and our foreign minister is a disaster.
We passed through Summer Solstice one month ago. Now the days are noticeably waning and each passing day accretes a little more to Putin's advantage . The Axis has to press this latest manufactured crisis as hard as they can because the Axis is losing leverage.
We could be looking at a very nasty situation by say September. The morning air in No. Europe will be getting a mite nippy about that time. It will be easier for Putin to get Merkel et al. to ask the US to "backsi offski" in no uncertain terms.
Obomber is now on RT live crying over Isreali lives, nothing about Palastinians.
He's just about to comment on Ukraine. What lies will he tell this time?
Nobody will believe this russian "evidence."
How could the Russians be so stupid to think we will believe them.
Don't they know that you can't believe anything unless it's uploaded to YouTube??
Kinda sad how many people are willing to carry Putin's water because they believe everything is a conspiracy, and only they are savvy enough to see through the veneer of lies. Grow up. Putin is a thug who is trying to destablize and annex eastern Ukraine just like he did the Crimean Peninsula.
Who exactly would the Ukrainian government be shooting down in a conflict against separatists who own no planes?
Stick to HFT and the Fed, Tylers.
Sorry Lugnut, but Crimea has voted several times since 1991 to rejoin Russia. They asked for military assistance from Russia in this case, and effectively annexed themselves to Russia. I'll give you some time to find the links yourself.
...but facts are only used when convenient, or it support the narrative.
Anyone want to acknowledge or give the rationale for why the Ukrainian military and cargo planes were shot down in the same area by the Russian separatists.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/14/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html
This happened a month ago. The bigger question as others have asked is why was the Malaysian jet liner flying over this area.
You posted a link to CNN?
Automatic disqualification from debate.
Answer to your first question: because the separatists and Kiev are at war.
Direct your 2nd question to Kiev Air Traffic Control.
the event shadows the sniper massacre in Kiev, both police and protestors were shot, and no one knew who was doing it, but at the end of the day the prorussian (loyalists?) were run out of town.
Time for more 7-course dinners with fine wine [and hot hookers] in Brussels to discuss the situation.
Didn't the Russians bomb Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th?
No, that was the Finns.
When did this site become RT? The Russians are worse than the nazis
real food for thought will always seem weird at first when, up to now, you've been consuming shit
Don't look now but yur Hebrew is showing!
IS
Actually not Hebrew, Zionists/Neo-fascist and all the Christian Zios that suck their uncircumcized hairy testicles.
Got too much respect for the Hebrew "True Torah(s)" that despise the Zionist State that hijacked their faith!
A prize awarded to gosh for identifying RT as a "Russian" site. Nobody knew that before now.
If Obama supports the neo-nazis in Ukraine, what does that make Obama?
Why is Malaysia not calling the shots here with the investigation? Everyone likes pissing in the neigbours garden :-).... So what about the theory that a major share holder interest in a pharma co didnt like the idea of an AIDS cure afterall there was a delegation onboard from leading minds in research and perhaps the AIDS solution/cure has gone with them.
Use the Ukraine crissis to divert attention away from the real cause of the plane crash.
If a large team of researchers had the cure for AIDS, would they be flying a commercial Malaysian airliner? Or a charter?
No money in aids research. These were low-paid med-school-dropout amateurs heading to a plush circlejerk about aids and poverty at a resort in Australia.
Buttfucking faggots are responsible for 100 of the deaths caused by the downing of MH17. The conference the scientists were travelling to attend would have never been held but for the faggots actions.
Whatever evidence Russia might have is irrelevant. The west won't even acknowledge it. This is not truth versus lies, this a grab for power where rules and decency are totally meaningless.
I do not agree.
Maybe the impact will not be visible for the masses, but look beyond the ZOGs: what do you guess has the Russian countering of disinformation on Asia, on governments like China? Or Brazil, South America? Regions that have become very snesible about the empire of lies? Or imagine the impact of the facts on the Malaysian experts. The spread of their findings in the industry. Also the intelligent people under the ZOG-regime do no longer trust the Ziomedia but actively aquire their information from the web.
Therefore the impact of Russia offering a more detailed and factual based of view, should have an even bigger impact than the web on 9/11.
Ofcourse the broad mass living under the ZOG-regime will be the last one recognizing that the world has changed. But if 9/11 has raised the first doubts about the evil empire of lies among the nations and among the more open minded people, this thing could become a disaster.
Did anybody else see those Microsoft Media Player controls pop up?
My camera and microphones are taped over.
I mean on the video. 15mins in.
I thought the Russian gov was avoiding that sort of thing. There's a story here today.
They have technology that sees through the tape. (just kidding -- but depending on the tape, they can tell light or dark)
You do not use Linux?
Why do you support NSA, using their product, distributed by Microsoft?
Ukraine shot down MH17
Letzte News MH17 - Ukraine
Passagierliste MH17 HIER
Tylers, there seem to be a lot of trolls who registered ZH accounts simultaneously just over 8 weeks ago. That would put it at around 23rd/24th May.
If you run some queries on your user table in the db, you'll probably be able to see this trend. Then cross ref with IP addresses to determine if there's a common location.
Which you probably do already..
Interesting idea. Wonder who they might be working for?
You are assuming that the Tylers are not involved in the approval and acceptance of these accounts as posting members. These guys need money and more eyeballs is the only way they get there. As to allowing a coordinated disinformation campaign to exist on ZH? I have no doubt that is already occurring and has been for some time. I also have no doubt that more than a few of the "Zero Hedge Reads" blogs are also false actors playing a role. Sure, sure, black helos and tinfoil hats and such...but as this has grown from a sleepy blogger property to the juggernaut it is today, I cannot imagine Tylers are not already fully infiltrated by false actors at multiple levels. Manipulation, opinion nudging, call it what you will - it is the name of the game.
I don't believe you.
Who are you working for?
It's easier to assume everyone is a "false actor"(troll), because, basically, everyone is. They all have agendas (points of view). If you start from there anything is possible. Eventually you find groups of posters you agree/disagree with.
Too many commenters with similar points of view create an echo chamber, too much diversity and you have flame wars.
ZH seems to have found an unsteady balance. Commenters that refuse to learn from or at least enjoy a good natured argument don't stick around long, and commenters who stick to single-minded (usually anti-zionist or racist post after post after post) usually get booted.
And the best part is you can call someone a mother flicking clock sucker and your post doesn't get deleted or censored.
Anti-Russian poster strategy: When there's doubt about what happened, attack Russia and Putin. When it becomes obvious Russia is not to blame, say both sides are bad.
The area where the Malaysian passenger jet MH17 fell in Ukraine is a crash site not a crime site! Painting it as a crime site does not make it so.
Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem. More on this topic in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html
Feeling disgust regarding this would imply you feel that governments are capable of acting any other way. Pretty naive. Governments have killed more than 100 million in the 20th century. That's around 2700/day so you'll have to look around the globe for others since this was only around 10% of their quota.
The word "criminal" was added to the MSM meme yesterday. Not sure if it's just tough talk or if they're already warming up the war crimes rhetoric.
Why Ukraine/Nudleman shot down MH17:
1. Coerces EU into sanctions against Russia
2. Produces fodder for emotional "sound bite" attack on Putin
3. Slows down separatists gains in region
4. Takes attention off of the enthic cleansing going on in Gaza
Why Separatists shot down MH17:
1. They were spoofed into thinking it was a military aircraft
Cui bono?!
"Cookies" Nuland and her DC US, CIA and Israeli buddies is who.
The most important thing to do is to rush to judgement! ASAP! Make sure you say things like ....it sure looks like ....or more than likely....or chance are cause you know what they are like! Whatever you do is make sure there are no facts or evidence! Circumstantial evidence is plenty!
So, if they (the CIA and cronies, which must have to include Boeing) substituted the MH370 plane with a bunch of corpses aboard it, repainted the tail numbers (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/20/wrong-aircraft-identified-as-mal...), and used it for target practice as a false flag to try to start a world war, that would close the loop on the one 777, but there may be an extra 777 in Malaysia airlines' inventory.
But, here is the thing, a war can be started either way. First, by blaming it on an enemy and convincing the public that they had been attacked or secondly by convincing others that you are an out of control terrorist government which must be stopped. The US backed Ukrainian government seems to be failing at the first attempt, but may be succeeding at the second.
Please keep in mind. A government that is not determined to be viewed as an out of control aggressor has no reason to murder civilians. They would target military and leadership. Only the terrorist government that wants to create a war targets civilians.
Horrible thoght. The aircraft they shot down could have been the one missing in the Indian Ocean, the one everyone said went to Diego Garcia!
Wow, the Russians even show their radar recordings! It's obvious who is interested in finding out what happened without fingerpointing but only asking questions, and who is fingerpointing without showing any facts!
USraelien satellite over the location at the time? And the US president holds a speech and stays silent about it?
Excellent presentation!
And excellent questions the Russians have.
Maybe this time the plutocrats have taken on the wrong victim with their false flag warmongering that has been successful over the centuries? Since today the world can hope.
These are only from the civilian system.
Not the military ones...
hop before jump...
And this is nice...
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/07/mh-17-and-nato-excercise-breeze-2014%e2%80%b3/
KVB
Yep! Always happens during or after an exercise -Don't it!
But when you have over 1,000 military bases across the globe and are "actively" preparing with money you're borrowing from your adversaries to make war with them I guess prep becomes an important function of keeping them in line if they don't continue buying more of your debt! Make perfect sense actually if you're a deranged psychopath?...
Thanks for pointing that out.
And yet no one is still questioning why all the Russian questions and accusations come straight from Interfax? No corroboration by any other news agency? Puh-leeze!
All question must be corroborated by the politbiuro. Please take number. Service hours 09.15-12.00 and 14.00-16.45. Customer service, call Olga.
As if the big five plutocratic "news agencies" wouldn't ALWAYS report the same BS and ignore the really important news, shekelblogger!
krugonomics is winning. onward to full employment and capacity and capital plain ol' destruction. damn putin, full speed ahead! USA!USA!USA!
I have no doubt in my mind that MH17 was shot down by the Ukrainians, probably under the direction of US advisors. All the essential ingredients are present, especially the motives.
I dont know who did it, but there are indeed half a dozen instances of circumstantial evidence that it was Ukraine and really only one solid bit that seems to implicate the Rebels so far (moving Buc unit with missing missiles).
The complete certainty of the Western leaders and media is interesting. I remember a few weeks back when I was lamenting that the western press had no interest at all in the atrocities occuring in the Ukraine civil war and that they werent covering Ukraine at all. Careful what you wish for I guess....
".....and in these aerial surveillance photographs, of high resolution, we have identified 20 former members of the NATO armed forces. Here are their dossiers compiled by our Intelligence Service.....manning the BUK launcher with the assistance of the Ukraine military. These agents are now employed as mercenaries; here are copies of their pay stubs and this following surveillance footage shows them meeting with USG personnel only hours before the aircraft was destroyed. I move the UN censure the rogue government of the US."
EEZ CALLED "DEESINFORRMAYSHUN" (DISINFORMATION)
Ukraine is responsible for its airspace. The rebels control no airspace and own no aircraft. Ukraine owns Air Traffic Control. It is for Ukraine to explain not Russia.
Good that Russia knows who fires missiles on its border so the nukes don't arrive unannounced. Maybe the US has similar technology but switched it off - Nelson's Eye Syndrome.
Ukraine must explain before the War Crimes Tribunal and withdraw its war machine pending investigations
The plane fell from 10000 meters /(over 30000 feet) and you can still see engine parts. WTF!! How come these engines didn't "VAPORIZE" due to the high impact? These must be special engines that do not obey the laws of physics. Sarc off.
I down arrowed but corrected. Of course the engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized, never happened before. And the wings never hit the building, they vaporized too just as the Flt. 93 engines vaporized.
Strange engines.
If the MSM don't at least report Russia's info here then that would be proof positive that the Western media is only producing propaganda to support the goals of the US and no longer reporting news.
agreed
Malaysian flag looks very familiar!!!!!
The US media is in 100% War on Terror propaganda mode.
You think they Would have learned
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"Iraq has "tubes" of WMDs! Here are the photos of the tubes! OMFG the cake is yellow!"
Correctly or not Urkainian Military Intelligence believed th Seperatists got a plane (as of July 10) and were looking for a pilot. This might explain the presence of Ukranian BUKs.
That is so fricking stupid.
It should be apparent that the Buk systems were moved near the border just in case the Russians started to play for real. It doesn't mean that they didn't shoot the down the plane, but there are other reasons for having them in that area. It's about time that someone explained that.
Odds of what happened:
(30%) Seperatists were fooled into shooting it down
(60%) False flag by Ukraine
(10%) Incompetence from either side
As before (maybe I should have a standard disclaimer all the time) I am not in the business of explaining when I post hard to find Russian or Ukranian articles/sources. I am simply brining you the news.
So please calm down.
Good day.
When are you guys going to get a Tyler on staff who speaks Russian? Google translate doesn't Russian good... and to be quite honest, I think the on-television translators are taking some pretty agressive liberties in rewording the statements they are relaying.
I would bet a few dollars that ZH already has staff (or relations) who speak Russian. You forget the genesis of ZH, no?
Looks like Boris found another job.
“Call me what you like, only give me some vodka.” – Old Russian Proverb
Boris make try report from Ukraine, but make use of email require internet web.
this is yandex translation.
Published by ZH word by word, including mistakes, but hitting the target. This is OK for me, as I read a russian azbuka and compared the semantic and logic of the sentences.. Of course you can learn russian as well and read it in original.
Speak a little bit,.. All the names of places, military terms, and words about ballistics are making it tough though.
What part did you want to verify?
PUTIN ORDERS TURN OVER BLACK BOXES.
THE REASON IS KERRY AND OBAMA ATTACKING PUTIN PUBLICALLY...LAST FEW DAYS
THIS IS CAPITULATION BY PUTIN.
PUTIN IS BEING ISOLATED
RUSSIAN BILLIONAIRES PRIVATELY SCARED OF PUTIN
RUSSIAN BILLIONAIRES LOST BILLIONS ALREADY
PUTIN DESTROYING SUPPORT AMONG OLGARCHS
BEGINNING OF END OF PUTIN PROBABLE
IF U KEEPIN' SCORE ITS... OBAMA 1 PUTIN 0
A good sum up if you're only listening and reading main stream crap. As others have said, Putin plays chess and Obama is bad at checkers.
And anyway, it's not "Obama." He is just the sock puppet.
I'd say Putin has just KO'ed the false flag with real evidence. Let's see if Obama goes after the Ukrainian leaders for this war crime.
Putin's approval rating among all Russians at all time high, and don't forget Syria.
SCOREBOARD Obama= 1, Putin= 2
It seems that you have no idea of how playing chess. This will become a big boomerang for US and its flunkies.
This is breaking news!
I can't find the source... is this from RT?
Let me know ASAP so I can forward the link!
Meanwhile, another bankster minion is dead from a kite surfing accident.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled crisis.
Obama: "About that internet kill switch..."
So when is the US going to show us and let us listen to what they got?
You know they got it, you know they have been looking at it hard, hard. If it proved their case would it not be everywhere by now?
Plus, there are many satellites of other nations flying around peeping at things.
Sheeeit.... We can't even pull off an easy False Flag operation aymore without story starting to unravel in a few days. This is what we get when Affirmative Action allows about a bunch double digit IQ cretins to be employed by the CIA and Pentagon.
From deep in the bowels of Langley about a week ago:
Spy 1: "Our Kiev Ukrains crackas be gettin da azzes kicked and da Europe crackas ain't got our backs . But I be having me a idea bruh."
Spy 2; "What be dat bruh?"
Spy 1: "We tell da Kiev Ukrains to cap a plane with lots a European crackas and blame it on da Putin muddafuckuh."
Spy 2: "Yo bruh... dat sound liked da shit"
Spy 1: "I be texting da Prez and tellin him dat we need him to make speeches and shit after it be done".
Here's a interesting news article from Robert Perry, a guy who debunked Obama's Syrian (Assad used) chemical weapons claims, now on the MH-17 story, with a quote after the link.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-u...
His name is Robert Parry.
Dang, if the satellites can pick up images of empty beer bottles, at least they could tell us what brands they were and provide some background into, like whether they were favored by pro-Kiev or pro-Russia soldiers.
US intelligence agencies have become so adept at substituting propaganda for facts that they can't break the habit even if they want to.
Putin makes Barry's head hurt.
But I bet he still secretly wants to ty out Vlad's humongous hammer and sickle. But then there's Reggie? What to do... what to do. Being the prez and being tempted by manly leaders like Putin is really tough for poor Hussein.
WTF is ZH becoming a mouthpiece for Fascist Russia?
Of course the Ukrainian air force shot down a civilian airliner over it's own country in order to get more sympathy from the world. The new democratically elected government is that cynical and so heinously stupid that they would deliberately murder 300 people in an asinine attempt to get more support from the world for retaking their own country from Russian special forces, and local thugs running around the countryside with advanced weapons supplied by Russia, and army surplus camo outfits (who really ARE that stupid).
That makes perfect sense.
To a complete idiot. (And the Chinese dictatorship).
It's amazing people can function as adults in modern society with operating "logic" that believes every obvious fact is ALWAYS wrong.
The earth is flat, btw, and nobody ever landed on the Moon.
You have Nuland's gastric liquid all over your face...plus some of her cookie crumbs.
Get a grip.
Wow.... Why the hatred of Russians? Did you catch your woman (or boyfriend) rubbing one off to a shirtless picture of Vlad?
Who landed on the moon?
Apparently you've never opened a history book...
If the US can do it then I'm sure that a small set of desperate thugs running a country can do it too.
Operation Northwoods - documented proof of the "unthinkable"
Roadlust, ZH is no longer capabe of actually knowing what's in their best interest. Much like clueless Faux viewers. Think they've figured it all out, just put the tin foil hat on.
You guys must have born and raised in Jonestown?
You need a real brain.
9/11 a false flag op. enough said.
you might want to repeat kindergarten a few times before moving on to elementary school.
or you may check into a school for the mentally retarded right away.
whichever suits you better
better crack dictionary for definition of fascism...
ignorant post
get lost goat
Just my thoughts at this point. because of the great political stakes for both sides, we will not be able to know the truth. It is 100% certain that the USA knows, Ukraine knows, Putin and the rebels know what happened. Yet, they all claim they need to investigate and present THEIR evidence. Really? The only people left in the dark are the world's public. The world powers and their deep states know it all.
Who would dare suggest the US CIA and Military do not track everything that gets off the ground in that war zone? Noboby eh?
I listened to Obama, his lies surpass even Bush's. His lust for war is going to get millions killed. Congress is worse, one of them branded Russia a terrorist state. That can only mean war. What a bunch of bullshit.
The CIA and Ukraine could easily have cooked this up for their gain. The rebels might have done it in the heat of battle, because they have nothing to gain. So then, who is worse I wonder.
The Russians are remarkably cool, restraint and sophisticated in this matter. Personally, I find that commendable and prefer to engage on that level anytime. Even China is looking more and more superior in their commenting and approach.
Death toll in Gaza today 450+ and counting. Who is accusing, let alone stopping Israel in its genocidal "Blitz Krieg" against Palestinians?
Anyone supporting Israel in this will catch fleas sooner or later.
lol, the generalisation acquires a taste of mythical proportions when the HYPE starts hitting the media fans.
Machiavelli was soo right : the end justifes the means when the Cyber world takes over reality!
(I'm extrapolating the Gutenberg press days-- huge invention of that age---to our current Internet/NSA world)
ZHers hope US at fault? Figures, don't even know what side their on. Sad really.
Side? WTF are you talking about? The truth is out there but "your side" is hard at work putting the fear and war mongering in overdrive. I was on "your side" when we entered Iraq. What The Fuck Ever For?
9/11 a lie
Iraq a lie
MH17 another lie
Stop fucking lying and stop supporting the liars THEN MAYBE, you can count on real Americans standing up for their country again.
I think that you're wasting time here when you could be out creating a "real govt."
Only been on the beat 9 weeks ? How much does it pay to be a troll.
(not a very good one at that. now THAT's sad)
This will put GW in business for the next 10 years.
your are optimistic about the time span of media fall out!
Can anyone verify that that engine's from a 777? I mean, did Russia get it right? (vs. the US and the 9/11 Pentagon staging)
OK, not meaning to imply Russia is staging, just that perhaps should be pointed out to all those who would bark about it being staged.
ZHers worst of breed? Don't add value to country, community? Think your a Libertarian? I'm guessing none of you have children, good thing you don't reproduce. You do know what other type of person(gay) doesn't reproduce.
Yawn... Go put up a flag in your front yard and wack off. We are here for the truth not for Mom, apple pie, and country.
You're what, 12 years old?
Done graduated the 6th grade?