Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

  • RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
  • RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
  • RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

 

Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

 

Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

  • RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax

The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

 

"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.

Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

  • RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK

And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

As RT reports,

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

 

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

 

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

 

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

And asks for US proof of their accusations:

  • RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible  - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it? 
  • RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"

And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryRadar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.

No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryNo Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry


Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

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Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)

The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.

In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

 

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

 

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

 

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

 

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

 

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

 

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

 

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

 

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

 

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.

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Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda.

We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17's black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.

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WhackoWarner's picture

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-to-start-a-war-the-american-use-of-war-pretext-incidents/28554

Throughout history, war planners have used various forms of deception to trick their enemies. Because public support is so crucial to the process of initiating and waging war, the home population is also subject to deceitful stratagems. The creation of false excuses to justify going to war is a major first step in constructing public support for such deadly ventures. Perhaps the most common pretext for war is an apparently unprovoked enemy attack. Such attacks, however, are often fabricated, incited or deliberately allowed to occur. They are then exploited to arouse widespread public sympathy for the victims, demonize the attackers and build mass support for military “retaliation.”

WhackoWarner's picture

And I would point out that a large number of people here got the questions right from Day 1.

And that may be one distraction is away from this secret treaty. One asks who benefits and why?

Shite 300 people (Gaza?)  secret treaty that will cut internet discussiions?

tiredofthebs's picture

Do they really think that Super Spy Daddy ain't watching?

Ookspay's picture

What in the hell happened to Zerohedge? I haven't posted here in years as the clientele here has slowly devolved into a bunch of idiotic conspiracy "truthers" and anarchists. Pathetic!

A bunch of russian "separatists" aided, trained and funded by putin are creating chaos in the Ukraine. They have admitted to shooting down many planes over the last few weeks, this time they fucked up. And so many of you simpletons here only see a conspiracy and want to suck vlads dick to praise and appease the evil bastard instead of seeing this and him exactly as it is.

Useful idiots only begins to describe you Dumb fucks.

IndyPat's picture

The door...is right...over there...fuckface.

Bro of the Sorrowful Figure's picture

that video is clearly fake. anyone who has ever seen footage of the pentagon after 9/11 knows that when planes crash the plane and everything in it are completely vaporized. the wrekage in the MH17 must be fake.

Haager's picture

´ INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax'

 

Give me an 'a'.

SpanishGoop's picture

Well, everybody has to eat don't they ?

Let's do launch, sorry meant lunch...oeps, too late.

 

 

 

silentboom's picture

The missle lunch was right after the RPG brunch.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

Three six-pack lunch.

Who knew satellites can see beer bottles from space....

smacker's picture

No. No. The BUK missiles get VERY hungry. They EAT planes ;-)

tempo's picture

Move Dead bodies to Kiev, Let Dutch mother pay for DNA testing and burial. War is hell and Putin is right, it was started w Obama overthrow of elected President of Ukraine and then escalating the military air conflict. Let blame the EU and US.

Xandrino's picture

MSM is trying EVERYTHING to blame Russia...there is not a shred of proof yet as to who did it. And authorities dont seem to care(since nothing is made public).

It's getting sicker by the minute folks...and the worse part is 95% of the sheeple believe this horseshite.

Start WWIII already, as Michael Ruppert(RIP) once said: "global anarchy would be a pretty damn good thing right now."

813kml's picture

MSM certainly knows how to propagandize, it matters not what the facts finally prove as long as the accusations drill into sheeple skulls that Russia=bad.

BLOTTO's picture

Thats because as most of you know, the MSM is illuminati controlled.

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Flight 370 = Flight MH17

 

chunga's picture

Eat shit and die Feinstein.

Save_America1st's picture

yep...it sure seems like the gov and media scum are collectively ganging up on Russia with a singular rhtetoric. 

That should set off everyone's "spidey senses" right there.  Whenever they're babbling in unison you know it's bullshit and something is up. 

The Russians seem to be making very good points in the article above.  All very logical.  It would be good to know who, what and why Kiev air-traffic control deliberately diverted the jet into forbidden airspace and lowered their altitude to what seems to have been the perfect firing range for those rockets.

That info along with proving it was the Ukrainians who actually fired the missile from the ground or shot it down with their air force jet, and this whole bullshit story will come crashing down like MH-17.

And once again you can start to blame U.S. gov-scum and CIA spook interference and meddling to try and cause and all-out war with Russia.

Just what we need...a treasonous, rogue, criminal, D.C. government and roge CIA military doing more bullshit like this (as well as Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, etc.) making Americans look horrible in the eyes of the world and dragging us closer to fucking world war.  And this time there will be nukes for sure.

I'd sure like to know why certain "good guy" factions of all branches of our military haven't raided D.C. and arrested these criminal scum for their treason. 

It's time this regime is taken out before they cause a nuclear war. 

chunga's picture

The propaganda is working too.

I just took a peek at the comments over on one of the larger right-wing sites. They're taking turns calling for Israel to wipe out the middle east and the US to sanction and pound the Russians for their "invasion" of Ukraine. They normally deride MSM as shills and frauds but not now. ZH is dismissed as a "blog".

/were.so.fucked

pods's picture

That old Cold War programming never went away, it just was buried.

I was amazed how quickly people came to the conclusion they did.

Shows how emotional based most Amerikans are.  Not good for the next stateside false flag.

pods

walküre's picture

We've always been a minority. Why do you think this shit has happened for centuries? I've concluded long ago that you can't save them all. Save yourselves and good luck trying to save your family.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

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That old Cold War programming never went away, it just was buried.

That's exactly what it is. Although some people honestly believe that they can see through the lies from Vichy DC and the MSM, like a post-hypnotic suggestion, they quickly fall into line when they hear the word "Russia".

It's the one string that's still attached. The one thing that was drilled into Americans from the day they were born, on TV, in the movies, in comics, in school, in church, pretty much everywhere, was "the commies are gonna get you if you don't watch out."

Many people simply don't have the mental capacity to break out of a lifetime of programming like that.

In a way it's funny. No matter how well prepared they think they might be, that one weakness cripples their thinking and will catch them unprepared.

"I'll never register my guns!" ring ring Putin is a thug - support American law and order ring ring "Only a commie wouldn't register his guns. What are you trying to hide?"

"People should stock up on food and water in case of emergency." ring ring A new Soviet Empire - hoarders threaten America and should be turned in ring ring "The people in that house have food. Not for long, though, the commie bastards."

"Molon labe!" ring ring Turn in your neighbors with guns for a reward or else Putin will rule the world ring ring "I remember seeing that guy at a gun show back in 2013. Those Soviet infiltrators must think we're pretty stupid."

"DC is shredding the Constitution!" ring ring Putin is the new Hitler - martial law is temporary and will restore order ring ring "Some people take freedom too far, and besides, we're at war on terra, dammit."

Kobe Beef's picture

The Commies did get us. They just weren't from Russia. 

mkkby's picture

Chunga, why do you think those comments are even REAL PEOPLE?  It's impossible to know nowadays.  When the gov/msn machine starts cranking up it's propaganda, the comment sections are well covered.

The sheeple are smarter than you think.  I overheard some of my neighbors the other day railing on Obama and the MIC.  Former vets all of them.

Paveway IV's picture

It was not 'forbidden' airspace - stop repeating that lie. All the airspace above 33,000 ft. was closed AFTER MH-17 was shot down. Until then, there was no known threat from anything on the ground besides MANPADS which could never get that high.

There was a Singapore Airlines flight right behind MH-17 by a few minutes flying over almost the same spot and another corossing ten or fifteen km in front of it. If you look at FlightRadar24, you'll see dozens of aircraft overflying Eastern Ukraine that morning. Some airlines continued to overfly Luhansk and Donetsk, some didn't. 

Moustache Rides's picture

That's Diane "Man Up" Feinstein to you pleb. 

sodbuster's picture

BLOTTO- NWO at it's finest!!

BLOTTO's picture

Some things to consider:

  • Reports of different departure times for MH17
  • Two fighter jets escorted MH17 before it was 'taken out'; MSM not reporting
  • Pristine unused looking passports found - again (think 9/11)
  • Top '100' aids researchers reported on flight has been reduced to '6'

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-28352365

'At least six passengers who died on board the crashed Malaysia Airlines plane were travelling to a major international Aids conference.'

***Blots says, Is it 100 or is it 6 you lying cunts.

  • MSM at 1st showing dead corpses scattered across the crash site - now blacked out
  • Within 15-30min of 'crash', heavy ground assault of Gaza begins

 

Also, maybe ive been smoking too much...but the corpses in this pic - unedited/unblocked - show no blood, limbs in tact,etc...Could these bodies already have been dead on a plane? Im not an expert, but, no heavy signs of trama to a corpse because the blood has been drained compared to a living body/tissue and would show signs.

Please see pic:

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswlNNUCIAEgEZu.png:large

 

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

We don't know what happened to Malaysia Air  MH370.

We know, FOR SURE, instantly, what happened to Malaysia Air MH17.

Sounds good.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.

25or6to4's picture

@Blotto
I believe the 100 aids "scientists" figure was purposely put out there to play to gay sympathies that are prevalent in both western Europe and north America.

erkme73's picture

It didn't take long for the media to ask, "Could the cure for aids have been on that plane?"

Max Cynical's picture

Also, initial reports of 23 Americans on board (to garner more American anger) now reduced to one dual Dutch/American citizen.

IndyPat's picture

Holy shit.
That's quite the correction. Was it on page 658 of the NYT?
Good post,

Kobe Beef's picture

considering these points (especially if true the fighter escort), sends my thinking into "not an accidental shootdown" territory.

Thanks Blotto

walküre's picture

Consider air temperature at 33,000 ft well below zero would probably freeze bodies or parts of bodies instantly?

tvdog's picture

A heat-seeking missile would hit one of the engines, perhaps knocking off a wing. The fuselage might have been intact until the plane hit the ground.

Freddie's picture

The same airline with the same model plane with an excellent safety record loses two planes in 4 months?  They are not even trying to do a false flag that is believeable anymore.

F TV and Hollywood.

napper's picture

neo-con lunatics have never been known for their brains. But then most of the American readers have never been known for their brains. Most cover-ups in US history have been pretty lame, and designed solely for the uneducated and uninformed American sheeples. JFK, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan ... all false stories. Most of the public have bought them anyway.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

With JFK I give them credit, because they knew the truth would leak, or emerge over time.  So what did they do?  They got out in front of it, with about 10-15 'variants' of the conspiracy theory.  The Russian Mafia, no no, it was Castro, or was it the boys from the CIA and GWH Bush?  Hell, there was even a variant that Oswald did it.

IndyPat's picture

I'm doing my masters thesis on a Kevin Bacon/JFK theory.
Still working out some of the details...like how a 5 year old can work a bolt action like that.

I toyed with a Unified Theory of all the parties you listed above as all shooting at the same time with full auto ARs and 100 rd drum mags with the inclusion of Sirhan Sirhan firing from Austin using a rail gun for the money shot. Movie rights and royalties should be righteous.

Still think it was the smoking man from x files from the storm drain, though. Don't tell my professor....or Kevin.

Kobe Beef's picture

Readers? in the USSA? Most people I know watch TV.

The MSM, aka Wisner's Wurlitzer, could have shown a video of a bear and then cut to the plane crash video and said: "A bear swatted that plane, and you know who has bears? Russia!" And the majority of television watchers would swallow it.

As long as your wetwork squad can eliminate "uncooperative" witnesses, and your leverage detail can keep material facts out of a courtroom, your black-op remains intact forever.

"He who controls the present controls the past."

r0mulus's picture

Is there any real proof that the planes are the same, or is this just speculation?

Why would they need to steal a plane just to repaint it as a different one so they could load it up again with real passengers only to blow it up?

...they could just blow it up and keep the extra plane.

MeMongo's picture

CBS is reporting in 2011 Joe Biden met with Putin and in ole fightin joe's words he said " I looked into Putins eyes and told him he has no soul" Hahaha.....They didn't go on to say that Biden then promtly sat down to go pee!

Berspankme's picture

Good story for puss boy Biden to tell his grand chilling. Fuck you biden

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Just lies.  If it was true, Putin would have judo tossed him, then and there.

GooseShtepping Moron's picture

US politicians just can't seem to get over Putin's eyes - first W. and now Biden. I'm sure this is good for a few jokes around the Kremlin right now. All Putin has to do is flash those baby blues into the camera and he'll half of America sighing and the the other half trembling.

Of course, Biden is a serial liar and a moonbat, so I doubt even one word of this story is true in the first place. It just goes to show what a bad liar he is when this is the best he can come up with.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Did they report that Putin's assessment was that "Biden has no brain"?

Easy assessment to make about Joe.

pazmaker's picture

and of course Putin and Russia doesn't engage in propaganda just the US and it's allies!!!  sarc

 

What gets me about this whole thing is not just how quickly most people in the US are so quick to jump to conclusions and believe the US propaganda but also how quickly ZH'ers are so quick to believe the Russian propaganda.

 

I don't know who did this....  was it a mistake by the Russian puppet rebels or was it a false flag by the Ukraine puppet govenrment?  

 

All I know this is a proxy war being fought by two sides with ulterior motives, the only innocents were the ones on the plane.

Global Hunter's picture

Ukraine used the opportunity of the plane going down to step up their rocket attack on civilian neighbourhoods in Donetsk and Lugansk and go on the offensive.  Ukraine has been targetting civilians and civilian infastructure since the war began, the Donbass militia have not been targetting civilians.  The trend is your friend my friends.

SofaPapa's picture

There are a few people who have commented similar to yours, but you're right, not many.

I am in agreement with those who point out that at this point, we in the cheap seats genuinely have no idea what the hell is going on.  It all comes back to the one quote which sums up our whole world power structure in the modern era: "When it becomes serious, you have to lie."  All images, words, rhetoric, and soundbites are at the very least twisted versions of reality.  The plain truth will never be seen in situations like this.  Which means we are arguing about how to sort through lies from whichever side, not to accept one as truth.  There IS NO TRUTH being disseminated right now.  None.  Nowhere.

I have said before, the disturbing part is to follow that to its logical conclusion, and to wonder if ANYONE knows the "truth" anymore?  The people running this show are as surrounded by lies as the rest of us, maybe more.  This is the seeds of chaos, and chaos we shall have.

Our species is headed the way of the dinosaurs.