Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

  • RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
  • RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
  • RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

 

Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

 

Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

  • RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax

The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

 

"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.

Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

  • RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK

And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

As RT reports,

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

 

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

 

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

 

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

And asks for US proof of their accusations:

  • RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible  - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it? 
  • RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"

And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryRadar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.

No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryNo Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry


Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

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Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)

The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.

In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

 

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

 

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

 

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

 

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

 

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

 

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

 

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

 

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

 

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.

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Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda.

We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17's black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.

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SheepDog-One's picture

Hey, so where are OUR satellite space images of it all? Suddenly we got nothin but second hand accusations?

Grouchy Marx's picture

Sadly our satellite images were also on Lois Lerner's hard drive.

tvdog's picture

First the U.S. data has to be adjusted (like temperature readings) to comport with "known" (but unprovable, because false) "facts." Only after the lab guys at Langley are done will the press show some grainy black-and-white images with unidentifiable blobs on them, which the U.S. will confidently assert are evidence of the alleged rebel Buk system.

Think "Colin Powell at the U.N."

jubber's picture

CNBC of course not mentioning any of these counter claims, painful to watch

firstdivision's picture

Also, US/Ukrain aren't the only ones to supress evidence of shooting down civilian aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

BullyBearish's picture

Let me see...do I believe Putin or Nudleman?  Who is pushing the emotional case and who is pushing calm, reasoned logic.  The Luciferians are selling their case the same way they convince the sheeple to give up more and more of their freedoms...total emotional sell with a few twisted "facts" to prove the case.  Sick F&^kers!

potato's picture

Checkmate, bitches

Sadly, even in light of facts, the lies wont stop. People will believe what conforms with their previously-held worldview.

Global Hunter's picture

The western mainstream media will drop the whole thing like it never happened and focus on some other bullshit story.  The sheeple will forget this ever happened and focus on whatever they are told to focus on.  I witness examples of this all the time, my theory is that the vaccines are taking their toll on the western population but I digress.

toady's picture

Time for this story to disappear from the U.S. MSM. There will be no real response to these new revelations, they'll just stick to the black (Orange? ) boxes and recovering the bodies (the U.S. meme).

 

"Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda"

Um, yeah.... none of this will ever gain any ttraction. Good to see the Chinese are listening. Russia and China just keep getting closer while the U.S. keeps getting more isolated. 

 

Circle of DNA's picture

We all knew this! As they say in the police "Always watch for the finger pointing types -most of the time they're the guilty types." The West has created this mega PR without a shred of evidence and now the truth is coming out. However, there is no space for the truth in the western media and therefore the public will remain clueless.

shovelhead's picture

This scenario goes back to the ancient "Thou'st that smelt it, dealt it" method of determining guilt.

A reliable alternative when a ducking stool isn't handy.

RealityCheque's picture

Facts? Pah!

You can use "facts" to prove anything. How we all "feel" is much more important!!

And the US/Ukraine bullshit-athon was all going so well.

Kina's picture

But why would Ukraine divert MH17 to eastern Ukraine and then shoot it down? Doesn't make sense.....

socalbeach's picture

So they could blame the militia obviously (the militias (Donetsk and Lugansk) are in eastern Ukraine).  Then Russia gets blamed for supplying the militias, driving a wedge between the Europeans and Russia.

kurt's picture

The world stands ready to launch WWIII but it can't find a translator who can do better job than Startrek's Checkov? I'd be concerned because there are "nuclear wessels" involved!

Seize Mars's picture

Zionism = mass murder.
Welcome to the new world order.
CIA and Mossad teaming up to murder people for their own gain. Exactly when is it enough?

Grouchy Marx's picture

Anti-Zionism = mass murder.

Welcome to the old world order.

Us vs. Them. Yes, there's been enough.

Bugman82's picture

I refuse to believe or support either "side".  With the ease of fabricating data, photos, and presenting that data as fact, anyone who believes they, themselves employs ability to discern who is lying or truthful (including you, me, the Tylers, CNN, BBC, or RT) would be just as authoritative in claiming that they can fart rainbows.   

I, therefore, choose to have equal disdain for all parties involved in this proxy war that destroys the lives of innocent people for the sake of national influence.  It matters not who fired the shot and matters more that Ukraine is being used by this atrocity.

Subsequently, I also have disdain for those who bias their beliefs to fit their political narrative (i.e., I will choose to believe the Russian narrative because I despise the current administration, the economic situation, or I love to short stocks / I will support the Western narrative because I support the administration, 'Merica is the best country on earth, and is the righteous world police). 

RealityCheque's picture

Agreed. With one caveat: the russians are the first to provide any sort of substantive evidence. 

In my book, that puts them in the lead.

Bugman82's picture

Your caveat already reveals your bias.  A few pictures and claims are no different than a few youbue clips and claims.  We have no real way of substantiating either side.  Feel your inner bias, wash yourself in it and momentarily embrace it, then when it least expects it smash it to pieces with such force that it won't have power over you.

Recent scientific studies show that our biases drive our beliefs instead of facts and in this situation we can't determine facts. 

Grouchy Marx's picture

Thanks Bugman, you said it better than I could.

Those that rush to judgment, even here on ZH, just prove how easily the masses can be manipulated.

Kind of scary, that. How many hundreds of millions have gone to war and their deaths over the course of human history, because they believed the current crime syndicate in charge? Different time periods, different names, but the same cast of characters in control.

RealityCheque's picture

On a sidenote, I'm actually starting to feel a little bit sorry for Obama.

I mean, obviously he's just a spokesman for the machine, but how many public humiliations can one fella take?

Al Huxley's picture

Sociopath - he has no feelings in the normal sense of the word.  No need to feel sorry for him.

RealityCheque's picture

The downvotes indicate i need a cold shower....

SpanishGoop's picture

I think the Chinese knew this before they spoke out.

BFF's

 

general ambivalent's picture

Oh man, is it ever hard to fight with your pants down and over your head.

What's the next step in blaming Russia, have Obama and Netanyahu play charades miming an image of the missing Malaysian 777 and a nearly full bomb?

TabakLover's picture

Not to worrry..........US will just re-tap all that Cold War "can't trust the Russians"  brainwashing the American people have absorbed.

WTFUD's picture

Better LUCK with your next FALSE FLAG BARRY OBAMA from us all here at ZERO HEDGE (- your paid trolls who are doing sterling work and are due a raise for their perseverance albeit NIL SUCCESS ).

Kina's picture

The MSM will try hide all this from Russia, but it wont matter Germany and co will know all about it and have a lot less trust in the US actions and statements anywhere.

 

So was the US so desperate to demonise Russia and gain control of the Ukraine that they would have shot down a commercial airliner....surely they are not that evil.

Xandrino's picture

Obama is giving a statement in about 10 min.

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

 

 

Circle of DNA's picture

He is probably going to say that the Russian plentiful evidence is not conclusive, while the CIA lack of any evidence is....well let's wait and see what the teleprompter has to say about it. I'm sure, it will be the same Iraq style PR "Russians are bad and we are awesome"

Xandrino's picture

I'm sure he will.

It's just good to observe these fucks in action. Know your enemy!

nosoeawe's picture

you mean the big eared jihadist in chief's teleprompter will deliver a statement in 10 min

Xandrino's picture

Obama is giving a statement in about 10 min.

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

 

 

Edit: Double post sorry

 

john milton's picture

Next thing to come is the sarin trick.. or perhaps the mushroom cloud.. vlad put obummer on the ropes with the uppercut, waiting for the knockout hit with shaking legs.. nice move vlad

ChargingHandle's picture

The only question that needs to be answered is the following. Why was this plane told to change its course to fly over a zone in which cargo planes had been shot down the same week.  Why was this plane even there? Who directed this? 

Itchy and Scratchy's picture

Key points to always consider:

 

1. Who stands the most to benefit?

2. Follow the money trail.

3. Who started the fight?

4. Beware of those who rush to judgement based on emotion!

5. What is the end game?

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

talk radio is beating the drums, cnbc, fox, cbs nbc abc, all hitting the talking points, my hope is america and the world is just plain sick of it all, and not this time comes quickly to mind for most of the people we are tired of all the war bs, while watching here in usa an invasion across our borders, sure terrorim is our big threat, cog dis, eyes wide shut, some more wake up.

Typing Typer's picture

But I read previously that Russian experts said it couldn't be BUKs because BUKs cause hundreds of perforations in a shot gun style schraptnel explosion. But then again, maybe that was a fabricated report.

It's like the good old days in the Cold War when I grew up! Can't believe anything.

socalbeach's picture

Most likely an air-to-air missile from the Kiev warplane downed the Boeing.  But still a lot of people in the West think it was taken down by a militia ground-to-air missile (BUK), so the Russian discussion of Kiev BUKs was meant for that audience.

TVP's picture

AHAHHAAHA, ANOTHER FALSE FLAG GONE WRONG, BITCHES!!!

 

PREPARE TO DIE, ALL YOU ELITE COCKSUCKING FUCKHOLES!!!!

Itchy and Scratchy's picture

One thing Marx did say that might be right is, 'if you give the west enough rope they will hang themselves!''

Stopthisshitnow's picture

Yes indeed, where are Ukranian ATC recordings?  Hopefully Kiev will get caught out now, they have been playing with fire for months and need to be brought to task.

TabakLover's picture

This false flag has been a smashing sucess.  Nobody talking about Gaza.

viedoklis_lv's picture

Ok, enough of those silly questions going around in internet, trolled by Putin regime trolls.

 

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

Because Pro-Russian terrosits are invading Ukraine and Ukraine know that it has not downed this ariplane. And as Russia woudld not do that from it's borders, Russia has send in BUKs with whole team in terrosits controlled teritory and used BUKs there thinking that will down Ukraine fighter jet that was flying in that same time there.

 

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

So called "militia" or pro-russian terrorists doesn't have planes, but Russia who occupied and annexed Crimea does have. And Russia has send it's army all around Ukrain borders which is aggresion. So to protect from Russia another invasion, this time with it's legal army - Ukraine  could be using (can't confirm this) BUKs.
 

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

OECD is international commitee to investigate this crime, but pro-russian terorists is not allowing full access.
 

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

Are pro-terrorists prepared to do that? I think Ukraine has no problem with that.
 

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

There is no problem with that.
 

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

Because pro-russian terorists didn't have nor BUKs, nor knowledge to use them - that changed after Russia delivered it's BUKs and team to use it.
 

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

Look at 6. point, thos pro-russian terorists could not down airplane 10 km up in the air, that changed after Russia delievered it's equipment and team.
 

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

Have no information about this. But don't see any problems with Ukraine fighter protecting it's airspace near enemey borders.
 

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

They are working with OECD.
 

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt

Same about Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - where russians shot down airplane.