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Europe Agrees To Disagree Over New Russian Sanctions
As usual, Europe is talking out of both sides of its mouth (or other orifices). On the one hand, we are told:
- EU foreign ministers failed to agree new sanctions against Russia at a Brussels meeting
And on the other hand:
- Dutch minister says EU imposing new sanctions on officials over Russia
So - which is it Europe?
EU foreign ministers failed to agree new sanctions against Russia at a Brussels meeting on Tuesday and instead tasked their diplomats to explore possible wider-ranging measures this week.
Although such measures could include cutting off access to Europe's capital markets and an arms embargo, they would be contingent on whether Russia fails to cooperate in the future, not on past behaviour - like ties to the downing of MH17, reports the FT's Peter Spiegel in Brussels.
And The AP reports at 1054ET...
Dutch minister says EU is imposing new sanctions on officials over Russia's actions in Ukraine.
The Germans remain the most anxious of the repurcussions...
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that while Berlin was still willing to talk with Russia, greater economic pressure was needed to make Moscow change course.
"I say we remain open to defusing the situation with all political and diplomatic means but it will be necessary to accompany this willingness with higher pressure, which also means sharper measures," he told reporters on arrival.
And Britain the most aggressive...
Britain's new Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said he would urge fellow ministers to "send a very clear and strong signal to Russia today".
Along with Lithuania...
Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius said it was "time to name names" and to put Ukraine's breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk on the EU's list of terrorist organizations.
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Dis-united States of Europe...
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So far, the False Flag momentum against Russia and Putin is fading... I wonder what is next?
If you live in Europe, stay out of airplanes, tall buildings, and subways. There's no telling where the Chicago mob will strike next.
The bigger risk to the Europeans are their NSA/USSA comprimised leaders doing stupid things at the behest of their bankster masters.
Agree, asymmetric Russian response in 5...4...3...
Id say theyve already responded. They are making more gas deals with china. The russians will never have trouble selling their oil and gas, even if it isnt to the europeans. The euro govts will end up shooting themselves in the foot following the USs lead on this one. Right now, russia needs europe as a customer only becuase the infrastructure to move large ammounts to china isnt complete yet. In a few years, russia will be able to sell all it can pull out of the ground to the chinese, and they can tell europe to fuck off. Im not one of the Putin cheerleaders on here, but i will give the guy credit, he is thinking long term
Who here thinks Europe is going to take a principled stance instead of refusing to have their gas cut off?
The Euro-greens have painted the continent into a corner, and Europe will continue to be bitch-slapped by Putin until they get their energy house in order.
Oh I bet you that Lithuania is just scaring the shit out of them now.
Don't get me started on the Brits. Those daily rag covers after the crash were priceless.
Everyone knows this dog won't hunt.
Go ahead Europe, grow a pair and ban all trade with Russia?
Oh wait, it seems that since this global warming thing might have taken some time off (where is Flak anyways?) they might want some heat this winter.
pods
Seems to have disappeared right after I started calling him Quackmeister.
Might just be coincidental, but I hope not.
He really was getting tiresome.
I think Flakymeister never got over the loss of the millions he expected to make promoting the global warming scam.
right you are, pods. though... Russia forsaking good customers? Don't think so...
Tyler: "As usual, Europe is talking out of both sides of its mouth (or other orifices)." Then let me cheerfully (and affectionately) fart in your general direction
We aren't a United States of Europe, so the little "dis-united" barb does not really hurt, or apply
The Balts have Russian Populations and were part of the USSR. Toghether with Poland, their skepsis vs Russia is understandable. The Dutch are in grief and rage, also understandable
The Brits... damn, if I just could find words for their position...
camron puppet panic after junker... ukeep & referendum 2017 IF reelected 2015 while contestant said if elected no referendum.
the guys is exactly like usa, total panic & loosing control so becoming agressive...
how the fuck such sentence " if we were in such situation ( france ) we would never sell military boat to russia " no shit...
1° u not france
2° we crazy but sometimes we do brilliant moves
3° we dont give a shit about what you think, start to get euro money, adopt same rules as other european countries instead of this lame specials you benefits, then we can talk, fucking rosbeafs.
Looks like putler is already ahead: divide and conquer EU
Simple
The Dutch have gone Butch with Obama
It's almost like Europe's heart isn't in this "sanctions" thing.
Expect the Obama administration to start calling them a bunch of "bitter clingers", holding onto their NatGas and Russian alliances.
It's only "old Europe" that's wavering. "New Europe" is entirely on our side.
(Who's "new Europe" again?)
Poland? "You forgot Poland" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_forgot_Poland#.22You_forgot_Poland.22
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So - which is it Europe?
- its whatever they can do to feign independence and walk the tightrope of bankruptcy and social disorder, while also trying to hedge against the "what happens if the IMF doesn't end up owning the world" vector.
I'm surprised Cameron had time to take a break from sucking Obama's cock to speak to be honest.
If you like your bitch, you can keep your bitch
Paedophile cover ups make good blackmail grist.
I thought the Polish Minister said that was their job?
"Okay ministers, listen up! How many of you want to cut your own fucking throats? Show of hands."
Yep about 60 days until that refreshing Autumn air comes wafting gently on the breeze to clear your senses.
My thoughts exactly. Europe has to wait until March until they can afford to resume the tough talk (unless the US UK alliance somehow pulls them into the fray).
Time to bring out the France bashing sock puppet team!
"cutting off access to Europe's capital markets and an arms embargo,"
Mooowahha, Europe's capital markets have dried up and they already have BUK's.
1) US want's more sanctions from EU on RU
2) US want's free trade deal with EU
3) US want's to export their energy resources to EU, instead of EU buying gas from RU
4) EU pays higher price for gas and their goods becomes less competitive than US goods
5) US wins
You missed out the last 2
6) US runs out of gas and resources
7) Russia wins
6.5) Europe becomes waste land.
7) If europe refuses,it becomes a nuclear wasteland.
Scorched earth takes on a whole new meaning.
7.0.1 The dollar fails, the Euro becomes a medium of exchange for international trade but no one uses it as a store of value because the ECB has made it clear that it will penalize those who try with NIRP. Gold wins in the end.
US has no energy to export.
What a joke.
USA is importing energy to fulfil it's needs.
Some people will believe anything.
Their constitution bans export of their energy. Study before the rant.
P.S What a fuck face
The US Constitution does?
Can you please point me where exactly this little gem is?
pods
http://verdict.justia.com/2014/07/21/banning-export-american-oil
Agree. Seems to me it's more about weakening or breaking up the EUR than the stupid shale export fairy tale.
We have to stop these Wall Street and hedge fund investigations. Cheating is a part of free market Laissez faire capitalism, because it is Darwinian to be in a position to cheat. One cheats from strength. Weak hands that cheat should be chopped off
"The Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO) told Britain's new Foreign Secretary Phillip Hammond
to urge fellow foreign ministers to "send a very clear and strong signal to Russia today."
There, I fixed it for you.
(Remember, temp. staff vs. permanent staff. Things work differently in the small island.)
And Britain the most aggressive...
Britain's new Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said he would urge fellow ministers to "send a very clear and strong signal to Germany today"
Sayanim, now there's a word you don't hear very often; I wonder what it might mean?
from some member here earlier:
SAYANIM....
http://www.exposingcommunism.com/The%20Sayanim%20Jewish%20Secret%20Netwo...
An uneasy truce will be drawn by the time the nip in the air develops in September. My OGZPY will be up 25% by the end of the year. That my friends is all I care about here. You guys can wring your hands all you want, bottom line this is a casino MB.
Translate: Moar, bitchez!
The silver lining to all of this is everytime they go up against Putin the EU look like a bunch of disagreeing leaders in a brittle unworkable organisation which could all fall apart in short order with infighting.
Putin must piss himself laughing everytime he has to deal with these numpties.
Europe is not going to bear the costs of US foreign policy anymore. Forget sanctions. South Stream next.
Vicky Nuland's "Fuck the EU" still resonates......
sure but if the US takes over the Ukrainian border the event frequency will increase until there is a major confrontation and Europe will be sucked into the vortex and pay the price
only solution is for the US to get out of Ukraine and Russia to take over for Europe's safety and protection of supplies of gas
world peace with US is impossible
The Anti-Bolshevik Federation is gaining momentum. Time to be very scared as the orcs have more diabolical false flags prepared.
Dutch news,
"Sanctions has reached fase three if Russia doesn't do what Europe demands"
Financial sactions on persons and companies and energy/gas sanctions.......?
"Hey Putin, we won't buy your gas anaymore."
The lovely Sec of State Victoria (F.U. - E.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan warned us and we didn't listen!
Paging Mr. James Bond to the white Courtesy Phone. Mr. Bond to the Courtesy Phone please.
Not surprising: Britain has an interest in Brussels having less of a say or breaking up the EU all together.
So all they have to do is push for very tough sanctions along with US.
Germany, Italy, France will not like it and we are heading for the perfect EU storm, also putting an end to the EURO...
This leaves "investors" with one less alternative to the US Dollar and will "save" the US dollar for another couple of years.
watch the EU lead the world out of the pax americana endgame we're now watching unfold in front of our eyes.
This is simply how Europe works. Look at the history of Europe. The Germans are the only people to watch. The British are doing their usual thing. As they reallly don't have a dog in this fight, they can speed up, slow down and change directions with ease. Their posturing doesn't mean much.
The French will always be French, and take their cue from the British. The only real leadership will come from the Germans.
At best, the Russians can hope to slow down the deteriorating relations with the Germans if they nip their support of the Pro-Russians in the Ukraine. If they try to increase their support, expect the Germans to apply more pressure.
The Dutch don't matter. They never have.
"The Dutch don't matter. They never have."
I resent that !... o wait...your right.
The opposite is true - the Germans should want the Russian to increase their support of the Separatists and take over the South Ukraine - east to west just north of the pipeline and secure the border - the US and the Fascists are the danger to stability not Russia
That is the low IQ take on the events of the past week.
Invade Estonia in 3..2..1..
Are these the same Dutch that were at Srebrenica?
Is Holland still a real country?
WELL ...is Holland still a real country?
? Actually it's a province of the Netherlands, yet I don't grok your question. Has it a reference I don't know?
Soon to be underwater at this rate
I'll go with... "We will say YES but act NO."
Sanction everything ...except all the hot blonde Russian babes!
Just figure the stupidest thing they could do then push it as hard as possible.
Going to be a cold or very expensive winter this year in Europe.
By spring there will be protests to have the DC US abandon their occupation of Germany.
A little payback by Russia.