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The Latest Updates About Ukraine And Flight MH17: News Roundup

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For those just waking up and looking to catch up on all the latest news out of Ukraine and the MH17 crash response in particular, here is the latest news roundup.

  • Putin says country will resist attempts to destabilize it; sees not direct threat to Russian sovereignty
  • Putin, Dutch PM Rutte hold phone call on MH17 crash issues
  • Separatist leader Borodai hands over black boxes; says rebels didn’t shoot down MH17
  • Train with MH17 bodies arrives in Kharkiv: Interfax
  • Pro-Russia rebels released bodies of victims, turned over two black box flight recorders; have given investigators access to MH17 crash site.
  • EU Foreign ministers meet today to discuss sanctions against Russia; U.K., Germany seek to limit expectations
  • German Deployment for UN in Ukraine conceivable: Leipziger
  • Obama urges Putin to rein in “Russia-backed” rebels
  • Self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic PM Borodai declares ceasefire at site, says separatists didn’t have technical means to shoot down plane
  • Russian Ambassador to Malaysia says “no way” rebels could down plane, videos implicating them are fake 
  • Russian military says Ukraine fighter jet picked up speed toward MH17
  • Russia's Rakhmanov says Russian isolation would mean "collapse" for Europe
  • Dutch deaths prompt angry calls to Rutte for action; Netherlands considers measures
  • PM Rutte says Putin made “constructive contribution” to efforts at organizing probe
  • Putin said crash shouldn’t be used for political gain
  • Steinmeier skeptical over UN Force in Ukraine: Bild

RELATED STORIES

  • U.N. Security Council yday unanimously approved resolution calling for international probe, unimpeded access to site and end to military activities around wreckage
  • Merkel, Putin discuss ICAO’s role in crash investigation; need for talks
  • U.S. Secretary of State Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov agree on impartial investigation
  • Russians divided over their country’s role in Ukraine: poll
  • France to cancel second Mistral sale if sanctions raised
  • MAS to offer $5,000 aid to MH17 families
  • Lufthansa joins Emirates in call for MH17 summit: Reuters
  • Malaysian Air likely near end of days as publicly traded co.
  • MAS says flight to London over Syria is ICAO-approved
  • Shell says 2 Dutch, 2 Malaysian employees died on MH17

WHAT TO WATCH:

  • Ukrainian Parliament votes for partial mobilization of reserves, military-age citizens
  • France to cancel second Mistral ship sale if Russian sanctions fortified
  • Russia amassing troops at Ukraine frontier: border service
  • Russian PM Medvedev says 144k Ukrainians have sought refuge in Russia
  • Credit Suisse CEO sees little Russia impact on business; notes general impact on markets

MARKETS

  • Yield on 10-yr ruble bonds down 8bps to 9%
  • Ruble appreciates 0.9% vs euro-dollar basket
  • Micex +1.3% to 1,402.66, largest gain since July 7
  • Hryvnia strengthens 0.3% to 11.67 per dollar
  • Brent crude rises 0.4% to $108.51/bbl; WTI up 0.1% to $104.72/bbl

 

Source: Bloomberg

 

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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:09 | 4987396 MeMongo
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Yup pretty sure this does not end well!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:16 | 4987425 bigdumbnugly
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Putin said crash shouldn’t be used for political gain

 

incomprehensible to US democrats who now know putin has lost his mind.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:34 | 4987484 Save_America1st
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Read this stuff.  Abeldanger.net

This guy has quite the compilation of information...and if true it sure as shit doesn't look good for the U.S. once again. 

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/churchills-red-switch-grandsons-and_21.html

excerpt from part of the post:

“Greetings to those assigned Operation TOP COCK. Due to the sloppy work of Serco and Obama, we are accelerating our uptempo Operation DUM PHUC as Agent Chips succeeded in blocking the detonation of SMACsonic in the case of MH17. In a brief synopsis from a non flying object, me, I believe I quote Chips accurately in suggesting that two B777s took of from EHAM; MH17 which was empty and BIBI’S TWIN which had 56 kidnapped fresh Dutch people with blood removed in the cabin and as many as 239 MH370 corpses in the aft cargo hold. We believe that the departure routing was routine out of Amsterdam until the point where the flight, MH17, deviated to the north to enter Ukrainian airspace. Shortly after entering Ukrainian airspace the flight became invisible to ATC controllers in Europe, consistent with the tests in Austria earlier this year as well as the ATC “gone blind” when a U2 transitted LA airspace enroute to Beale AFB, home of the 9th ERS who had aircraft 80-1076 at Ramey AFB before the Haiti HAARPQUAKE in March of 2010, or was it April? During that period of just over an hour where the Freescale ‘stealth techniques’ were performed, an air launched air-to-air missile targeted MH17 causing it to lose thrust from the #2 engine according to Rolls Royce Trent pings for that particular engine. We believe that the visible intercept missile did not create enough damage to breach the integrity of the fuselage so a second attack was attempted using the KU band triggered SMACsonic. That attack was necessary to incinerate both populations of corpses; the decomposing Malaysia 370 stiffs and the 40 or so Dutch folks who have gone missing recently but was prevented just as on 9/11 the departure of UA93 was delayed 41 minutes when ‘imputed’ a delay. For doubters out there simply google [ 41 minute delay + imputed + united 93 + abel danger ] and see what we published in August, 2010. Sociable!”

Everyone in JR’s Mainstreet Junction lifted their glasses high to wet their whistle before Umbrellaman would conclude his remarks.

“Once the perpetrators were successful in hitting MH17 but unsuccessful in spolating the evidence due to Abel Danger’s blocking of the KU band detonation signal, just like the November 8, 2010, EMP that prevented the Raytheon THAAD missile’s second stage ignition, the perpetrators knew they were in deep kimchee, no disrespect to Agent Kimchee, recently of Korea. As MH17 descended with fuselage intact, terrorized Serco agents scrambled to ensure that the two populations of dead people, the fresh Dutch and the decomposing MH370 victims, hastily blew the secondary explosive channel which caused structural failure of the fuselage at 6800 feet AGL, above ground level. However, now Serco, Australia, Malaysia and China have a bigger problem than the MH370 remote snatch; this time they have two distinct populations of cadavers: the fresh Dutch 56 and the decomposing MH370 239. In fact, the perpetrators are more exposed than Obama was for the brief moment in time when sissy girl Obama thought he could use a $50M Weslaco, Texas resort to house the disease bearing children crossing into the US in droves while a single US Marine is stuck in Mexico on false charges which brings us to McMinn County, Tennessee, where trumped up charges against Walter Francis Fitzpatrick are likely to be dismissed prior to 25 July. It is now 2213 and we have only 17 minutes to bring everyone up to date on global developments in time frame 16 to 20 July, 2014. In the interest of time, let’s go once around the table starting with Agent Bean, PPUC Pastel Jade Green. Over to you, Bean.”

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:36 | 4987495 Latina Lover
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When I want facts and vigorous opinion, I read ZH. When I want lies, I turn to CNN.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:47 | 4987532 Save_America1st
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whether the stuff I posted above is true or not, I'm still not believing the "official" story about all of this.  When our rogue regime of criminal traitors in government along with their lap dog, state-run, scumbag so-called "media" are all spewing the same bullshit talking points and rhetoric, that's the dead give away that they're fucking lying through their face holes.

Putin had nothing to gain by shooting down that jet.  Why would he jeopardize his growing popularity and/or the big energy deal he just made with China?

I think this was another botched false flag attempt by the west, the U.S. government and/or the "spooks" in the CIA who got the Ukraine to shoot the jet down to try and blame it on Russia/Putin.

The globalists in charge are pissed about the BRICS deal and new international settlement they are forming which excludes the U.S. dollar.  And when you try to ditch the dollar history shows that's when you get taken out or forced into war.  Just look at Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Egypt, etc.

They're going after Putin...and it could cause a nuclear fucking war in the end. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:48 | 4987542 Badabing
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Sometime in early July

Ukraine forces air defense ready room.

Major Z enters the room and calls the briefing to order.
The room becomes quiet instantly.
I know you two are curious as to why you've been picked to fly this mission.
The two rookies look at each other with the air of cockiness you typically see in young pilots without saying a word.
Major Z continues.
We have a rare opportunity to use a commercial air liner to hide your aircraft radar signature. We want you to fly your jets as close to the airliner as posable to stay in the air crafts radar shadow.
We have the air traffic controllers trying to get you in as close to your target as possible.
The lead pilot looks at his wing man and then raises his hand.
Major Z stops talking with an annoyed look.
The pilot asks,
What happens if enemy forces shoot down the plane?
Major Z quickly replies as if he already knew what they would ask.
No one In there right mind would shoot down a commercial airliner while the world is watching, besides
It's a Malaysian flight that you'll be following so we won't piss off the big boys.
We even have this fall guy, a Spanish fellow named Carlos recently hired at the tower.

Too bad the enemy forces are not in there right mind.
As we now know.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:57 | 4987548 SWRichmond
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The media "coverage" and the war-mongering federal CONgresspeople et al are eerily reminiscent of the runup to the Iraq invasion in 2003.  "Government Officlas" say this and that; the UN is involved.  Soon we will be talking about "coalition partners".

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:55 | 4987571 Luckhasit
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That's the problem.  Anything released state side from the news outlets about that crash is washed, checked, then sterilized.  Then it says something without saything anything. 

Then it comes down to who do you believe. I'd rather take a hard look at the evidence at hand.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:51 | 4987538 Cathartes Aura
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lol "vigorous opinion". . .

it is good to take the pulse of a varied group of thinkers, vs. tune in to uni-form'd groupthink.

thanks for the Abel Danger link above, I like a bit of variety in my memes, spices up the reality soup.

buckle up.

 

edit:  Save_ "I'm still not believing the "official" story about all of this"

don't "believe" any one narrative, but take in as many contrary stories as you can, hold them loose, and see what plays out. . . it's the closest you can get to any real "truth" given none of us are witnessing directly and are merely FED conflicting narratives. . .

no "belief" required, merely paying attention suffices.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:08 | 4987640 Save_America1st
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Yup...I read everything and decide for myself.  But as I said before...when it comes out of the face holes of our treasonous government and media, you're damn right I never believe it. 

My concern is that they're so out of control and clumsy about the shit they're pulling that eventually the entire world is going to gang up on what and who is left of America and they're going to blame all of us for all the chaos and wars and poverty and everything else bad in the world and they're going to nuke the shit out of us.

Now all this bad shit is definitely the fault of government...not just our criminal American government, but governments all over the world.  We The People aren't necessarily to blame other than the vast apathy and ignorance of the sheeple, of course. 

But many of us are and have been awake for a very long time, and the people aren't to blame for the Fed money printing and all the war mongering this government and the MIC are causing all over the world.

In the end though, America, being the last bastion of freedom and liberty is going to be so demonized and battered either by war or economically that we'll finally roll over and end up no different than Communist Russia once was or Communist China.

Millions of us will be wiped out, put to death, etc.  If we can't reverse this course of "fundamental transformation" (obama 2008), then we're going to be wiped out.  What or who is left and the rest of the world will fall to the NWO and their plans for one world governance and the ultimate wipe out of 90% of the rest of the world population.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:23 | 4987722 Cathartes Aura
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"governments" global are to be held responsible for the wars they create/allow for profiteering, it's baked into human history.

eventually the entire world is going to gang up on what and who is left of America and they're going to blame all of us for all the chaos and wars and poverty and everything else bad in the world

of course.  in the same way that amrka has been "othering" people's around the world for the whole of your lifetime, keeping the military industries busy and profitable while amrkns mowed their lawns and bought toys and watched TeeVee.

everybody gets a turn.  amrkns had it exception-all for a long time, while others suffered greatly.

karma.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:17 | 4989388 trader1
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i've been noticing that you're delivering some good content lately ;-)

 

keep it up! ;-)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:00 | 4987600 HardAssets
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@Save America First - - -I read your post above and my first reaction was "whacky stuff someone is making up" - - - but then I started reading the bio of one of the website's writers. Think I'll look into this more thoroughly before dismissiing it too quickly.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:11 | 4987657 Save_America1st
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Thanks HardAssets.  Hey, I had never heard of Field McConnell either until yesterday.  I was listening to Alex Jones Infowars show and a caller at some point within the first hour of the show called up and said that everyone needed to know about abeldanger.net and Field McConnell.  Alex immediately jumped in and said he knew who he was and had actually had him on the show about 5 years prior.  So when I had a chace today I looked up the website and started reading through everything.  He is definitely legit. 

Regarding his Bio that you read, here for everyone else is the C&P of his bio from the abeldanger.net website:

 

Field McConnell: Biography

Field McConnell was born on October 2, 1949 at Harris Hospital, Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas in 1949 to a career United States Air Force B29 bomber pilot and aircraft commander, Glenn McConnell, and a WWII United States Army nurse.

  • 1950 to 1959, United States Air Force dependant at MacDill AFB, Tampa Florida
  • 1955-56 1st grade, Helen Hill School, Tampa FL
  • 1956-59 grades 2-4, Tinker Elementary, MacDill AFB, Tampa FL father promoted to colonel, reassigned to Westover AFB, Massachusetts, HQ 8th Air Force
  • 1959-61 grades 5-6, South Hadley Elementary, Massachusetts
  • 1961-63 grades 7-8, South Hadley Intermediate, Massachusetts father transferred to Ramey AFB, Puerto Rico
  • 1963-66 grades 9-11, Ramey High School, Ramey AFB, Aguadilla, PR father transferred to Hickam AFB, Hawaii
  • 1966-67 grade 12, Punahou School, Honolulu Hawaii appointed to United States Naval Academy as a Presidential Alternate, reported 28 June, 1967
  • 1967-1971, studied at United States Naval Academy, graduating 9 June, 1971. Commissioned 2nd Lt United States Marine Corps with guarantee of Aviation Military Operational Specialty
  • July 1971 to February, 1972, attended USMC The Basic School, July 1971 to February, 1972, qualified as 0301, Infantry Platoon Commander
  • February, 1972 to June, 1972 attended US Naval Aviation Indoctrination and Primary flight training, Naval Air Pensacola, Florida
  • July, 1972 to December, 1972 attended US Naval Aviation Basic Jet Training, McCain Naval Air Station, Meridian, Mississippi
  • January, 1973 to June 1973, attended US Naval Aviation Advanced Jet Training, NAS Kingsville, Texas
  • Designated US Naval Aviator 22 June, 1973
  • July, 1973 to January, 1974; assigned to VMA-102, VMFA-101, Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Arizona and USAF C130 Combat Crew Training at Little Rock AFB, Arkansas
  • February 1974 to October, 1974, assigned to Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 352, MCAS El Toro, California flying KC130F
  • October 1974 to May 1977, assigned to US Navy Training Squadron 21, Chase Field Naval Air Station, Beeville Texas. Instructor pilot, TA4J teaching advanced jet training syllabus.
  • Resigned from United States Marine Corps when recruited by North Dakota Air National Guard, Fargo ND, to fly F4D with 178th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, NDANG.
  • 1978: William Tell, World-wide fighter competition
  • Hired by North Central Airlines on 2 November, 1978. Flew Convair 580 domestically
  • North Central merged with Southern Airways to become Republic Airlines July, 1979. Flew DC9, MD80,B727 and CV580 domestically Republic Airlines bought by Northwest Airlines January, 1986. Flew B727, DC10 and A320 domestic and international flights.
  • 1986: William Tell, World-wide fighter competition
  • North Dakota ANG transitioned from F4 Phantom to F16 Fighting Falcon, 1990
  • Retired from Air National Guard on 22 June, 1993 with final F16 flight on Pearl Harbor Day, 1992. Refused to serve under William Jefferson Clinton per information given by General Hunter H. Harris IV USAF who had secured my appointment to Annapolis.

On December 10, 2006, Field McConnell reported the illegal modification on Boeing aircraft to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Northwest Airlines, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), NORAD and the USNA Superintendent. Shortly thereafter, Northwest Airlines, compelled by the United States Department of Justice (USDoJ), silenced Field McConnell, due to his inadvertent reopening of a safety issue closed in the June, 2006 settlement of a $615 million settlement paid by Boeing to the United States Department of Justice (USDOJ).

Field McConnell filed Civil Case 3:07-cv-24 at the District Court, District of North Dakota on the 27th of February, 2007. The case is titled 'FIELD MCCONNELL v. ALPA and BOEING'. Boeing admitted on March 3, 2007 the existence of the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot. To date, 9 February, 2012, Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) has suppressed this information.

Field McConnell retired March 13, 2007 to preserve his EXPERT WITNESS VALUE in US District Courts. Civil Case 3:07-cv-49 HAWKS CAFE v. GLOBAL GUARDIANS was filed on May Day, May 1, 2007 in District Court, District of North Dakota.

Field McConnell was recruited by Air Astana to fly Airbus A320 as Captain at Almaty and Astana, Kazakhstan serving there from February 6, 2008 until August 6, 2009. Captain Field McConnell flew with Muslim copilots around tall buildings. On December 13, 2008, an aircraft Captain Field McConnell was the captain of was electronically 'tampered with' having no effect on Field McConnell's performance as a highly experienced pilot.

While serving as Airbus Captain in Kazakhstan, Field McConnell filed Civil Case 1:08-1600 (RMC) (Pro Se) September, 2008, MCCONNELL v. ALPA. Civil Case 1:08-1600 (RMC) (Pro Se) was dismissed by Judge Rosemary M. Collyer in January, 2011

During pendency of my warning to the FAA, ALPA, FBI, DoD and NoRAD, the following flights have been lost consistent with Field McConnell's warnings:

  • Adam Air 574 - 1 January, 2007 Indonesia
  • Kenya Airways 507 - 5 May, 2007 Kenya
  • Colgan Air 3407 - 12 February, 2009 Buffalo, New York
  • Air France 447 - 1 June, 2009 enroute from Rio to Paris

Four other flights were "electronically tampered" with including the following flights:

  • British Airways 38 London Heathrow
  • Turkish Airlines 1951 Amsterdam Holland
  • Northwest 188 Minneapolis
  • Northwest 253 Detroit
Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:27 | 4987728 Save_America1st
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And thanks also for not "shooting the messenger".  I'm not trying to post any tin-foil hat conspiracy shit.  What I found above on abeldanger seems to fall within the realm of plausibility, especially when considering the very bad track record of the obama regime and their lying and false flags.  Remember Benghazi, right?

And hey, let's also recall this story from yesterday on ZH in case anyone missed it: 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/malaysian-airlines-hot-water-again-time-flying-above-war-torn-syria

What's with Malaysian Airlines flying over war zones?  It definitely seems like they're being used as targets or playing along with whoever is getting them to do this in order to cause a shoot-down to blame someone like Assad or Putin.

The official story is defintely a lie.  To what extent and how far the rabbit hole goes...we'll probably never really know.  But it still lacks any credibility, as usual, when this treasonous government is involved.

 

 

Here's the video of MH-17 being shot down....wing on fire in a total vertical power dive to the bottom.

http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/07/mh17-plunge-video-proves-western-powers-possess-critical-info-why-not-reveal-data/

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:32 | 4988452 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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The millineum link shows a still picture of a video on live leak that was recorded as "Occured" on the 16th July 2014. If this information is correct, it cannot be the MH17. This is supported by the clear blue sky which is not consistent with the overcast clouded skies of the 17th July 2014.

This video keeps circulating as MH17 (and I am certainly trying to poke specifically at you Save_America) - but one has to wonder why it is pushed so hard "as evidence".

Lets try and keep the attempted fact-finding efforts up to par with a reasonable level of critical evaluation of "alleged facts" to reduce obvious noise - I am sure we all spend time on this - not to get cheap entertainment - but out of profound empathy with the victims to try and point out inconsistencies in the official narratives, so all those people, who were murdered in this event, will not have died in vane.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:51 | 4988972 Save_America1st
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that is a good point, Day_Of_The_Tentacle.  The video is of clear blue sky completely.  But yeah, thinking back to the video on the ground of the burning/smoking wreckage it was definitely overcast, very gray out and completely cloudy.

The video does look like a actual real jet burning and crashing vertically...but could not be the same plane given the clear blue sky. 

Nice catch!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:33 | 4988453 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Dub

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:32 | 4988454 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Dub

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:35 | 4987485 Pool Shark
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What about crashes for economic gain?

Tesla crashed through sushi bar; driver said she was applying brakes, but Tesla continued traveling anyway:

http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/car-crashes-into-busy-sushi-restaurant-071914

TESLA SUDDEN ACCELERATION SYNDROME???!!!

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:55 | 4987574 Kirk2NCC1701
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The camera operator in this clip is a technical moron:  Why keep messing with Focus, when the object (plane) is at 'Infinity' focus?  Leave the damn Focus alone, and keep tracking the plane!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:38 | 4988871 PT
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My camera goes in and out of focus like that. Very annoying. Is there some button I don't know about?  (I usually keep it on the 'auto' setting.  I don't fiddle with it much.  Perhaps I should drag out the instructions again.)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:51 | 4987553 Kirk2NCC1701
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Official German government sources reveal [1] that there were radar/transponder issues over various EU countries.

There is further evidence (per the Times of India article [2]) that flight MH17 was diverted by Kiev controllers into a "direct routing" path that avoids the zig-zags and takes it over a risky region.  When MH17 failed to respond to controllers, the nearby AI flight (25 km or 90 seconds away) was asked to speak to (or listen in on) the the MH17 pilots.

There is also further evidence  (per Russian Defence Ministry information) that Ukrainian Air Force fighter jets went to check it out.  It is logical and reasonable to think that they then "shadowed" the MH17 flight for a while.  Whether they shot it down, after being unable to contact the pilots, or whether SAMs were used, is TBD.

Any way you slice it, it's a messy affair, and our "leaders" are not providing responsible or measured leadership with their zealous beating of war drums. 

It does indeed look, feel and smell just like another "FDR setup"  or "911 setup" [3] to force the opposition into a Sucker Punch, to artificially create the public (US, EU) outrage and justification for a major conflict/war.  A conflict/war, that would save the USD from its demise as the GRC.

While the public's attention is momentarily distracted by these tragic events, ISIS is still on a roll, as are the IDF in Gaza.  Where's the US/NATO "outrage" there?

References:

[1] http://adam.curry.com/enc/20140720012844_1801925hunkolinke.pdf

     Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:17 | 4987196 FrustratedLogician

[2] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds...

     Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:18 | 4987197 Truly Inspiration

[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

     Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:54 | 4987336 samsara

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:01 | 4987604 TheReplacement
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Was he talking about the crash that happened or the crash to come?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:44 | 4987473 Total Collapse
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It was Putin's Missile! (sic)

Pepe Escobar nails it again:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:58 | 4987585 Kirk2NCC1701
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More likely that the Ukes shot it down (per CIA orders) and then tried to blame it on the Russians.  See above my post above.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:35 | 4987768 Total Collapse
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No shit, Sherlock.  Read Escobar's op-ed linked above

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:58 | 4987874 TheReplacement
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What if the Ukes (gov't or rebels) shot it down after being tricked into thinking it was an enemy?  That would seem more likely - fewer people who know the truth the easier to cover it up.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:11 | 4987405 Kamath
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Russia is moving several units of Su-24 and MiG-31 to the southern regions today, from what I've read they come from central Russian districts. (Which is great news IMO)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:43 | 4987524 BandGap
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Why is this great news? Just curious. Are these better pilots? better planes?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:56 | 4987577 Kamath
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Why is this great news? Well, because someone has to stop the absolute *massacre* of civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk, and it is increasingly clear that the disgusting, evil and corrupt Western politicians are not going to tell Poroshenko to stop under any circumstance what-so-ever. The ratpuke is now shelling the 40km cease-fire zone around the wreckage. It's time for this ukrainian Nazi shit-show to end. Under the cover of the MH 17 which the ukrainians shot down, the ukrainians have resorted to using incredible amounts of rocket artillery (including Uragan and Smerch) against purely civilian targets. Words cannot accurately describe my hatred for the Poroshenko regime, as well as the idiots who support him and run cover for him, and claim that the rebels are horrible, when in reality, they are simply ethnic Russians who live in the easternmost provinces of Ukraine - provinces which belonged to Russia until Lenin gave them to Ukraine as part of administrative re-arranging.

As for the Su-24 and MiG-31 regiments, they seem to be modernized versions, quite combat capable.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:00 | 4987884 TheReplacement
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So.... you are making vehement judgements despite an utter lack of evidence.  Are you related to Obama and the presstitutes because we have been highly critical of them for doing just that.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:02 | 4987611 Kirk2NCC1701
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And US Big Oil is moving pipeline gear in Afghanistan, to build a drone-protected pipeline from Turkmenistan to India.

Presumably the pre-911 plans for an Iran-Afghanistan-China pipeline are still "on hold", and if not, they won't enjoy US drone protection.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:11 | 4987407 Bioscale
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Ukrainian Parliament votes for partial mobilization of reserves, military-age citizens

This might show how much the citizens of Ukraine approve their oligarchy in Kiev..

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:13 | 4987413 NoDebt
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And.... TIME!

OK, folks, that's the limit of my attention span for any given story.  Sorry, I would have expected better from myself, too, but it's just not the case.  I officially don't care about this story any more.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:16 | 4987418 fonzannoon
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exactly. Lets move on. It's over.

btw nodebt. Whoops.

http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20140721/FREE/140729997

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:20 | 4987436 NoDebt
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Timely.  I'm meeting a new prospective client this very morning who's all jammed up on cashflow because his previous "advisor" sold him five different (non-traded) REITs.  FIVE OF THEM, a hundred grand each. Now he can't pay his contractor for his home remodeling project despite the fact he's got a net worth of almost $2MM.  I hope he doesn't own that one.  I'll find out in a couple hours.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:44 | 4987457 medium giraffe
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'sold him'.

Ahh... the era of personal responsibility...

 

(no junkie from me)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:47 | 4987539 NoDebt
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Even if you did, it would be OK.  I got broad shoulders.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:54 | 4987573 medium giraffe
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Good man.  Some odd stuff going on with the junking at the mo.  Must be a big overtime budget on this MH17 whitewash operation.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:15 | 4987416 MeMongo
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Obama mentioned once in the entire article! Way to stay significunt .....erkel!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:16 | 4987417 Boomberg
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You have to wonder when sanctions, NATO buildup, propaganda, make it more profitable for Russia to just invade and settle this once and for all and have peace on the border for the long term. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:30 | 4987471 potato
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Just like it's good for the West to "always be at war with Eastasia," so, too, it's good for the East to "always be at war with Oceania"

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:04 | 4987905 TheReplacement
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The west seems to be playing for Ukraine and possibly a war with Russia.

Russia seems to be playing for time and all of Europe.

One would imagine the Germans would want pretty solid evidence before committing to a very cold winter.  I give the advantage to Putin unless he can be egged into fighting.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:15 | 4987419 SoDamnMad
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Nobody will do jack shit.

Back to the World Cup.

What? Germany won.  Mmmmn

So  Any typhoons we should watch out for.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:16 | 4987422 LetThemEatRand
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Forgot one category in this article

US NEWS:

  • Obama fund-raising golf trip goes better than expected.  
  • Reports that Nancy Pelosi was found dead in her office are proved false.  She only looked dead, and it is normal that she has no pulse.
  • Corzine is still free
  • Jamie Dimon has eaten the blood of several children but still has cancer, reportedly.  Further "treatment" is planned.
  • Obama has completed his investigation of the airliner downing and has concluded it was Putin's fault.  All other investigation is ordered ceased.
Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:37 | 4987491 FrustratedLogician
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I bet that Jamie faked his cancer because there is a ship to be jumped and that idiot obviously fakes it. Secondly, who cares? :P

 

Completed investigation while golfing. :]

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:42 | 4987515 Latina Lover
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You forgot to mention that Obama is sneaking away with Reggie to get corn holed but otherwise, a good synopsis.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:16 | 4987426 AnAnonymous
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Today, that is 'americans' vs 'americans'. The 'american' middle class has grown too fat and some of it must be trimmed in order for the rest to survive.

This is an 'american' world and knowing who did it is baseless. What matters most for 'americans', paint their wished suspect as the guilty part.

The rest does not matter.

When the dust settles, 'americans' will come out of the woods to tell who did it.

'Americans' use the exterior to stage their inner conflicts and this follows the 'american' way: it is team Obama vs team Putin, both supported by one part of the 'american' middle class.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:37 | 4987496 mc225
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say what?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:51 | 4987558 SmallerGovNow2
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Says the troll...  do not feed them...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:18 | 4987430 Bastiat
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To whom did Borodai hand over the black boxes?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:35 | 4987462 Global Hunter
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Malaysian officials, I think a Minister in their government, if I find I will confirm, pic of the press conference.

https://twitter.com/jerryliet/status/491345718221606913/photo/1

edit: Star (Malaysian paper?) article quotes one of Malaysian officials as Kol Mohd Shukri of the National Security Council (of Malaysia).

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/MH17-crash-Black-box-re...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:48 | 4987537 Bastiat
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Thanks.  I thought the Kiev got the boxes and handed them over to the Malaysians... Which didn't make sense as Kiev doesn't control the crash site. 

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:18 | 4987432 fockewulf190
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Looks like I am going to have to buy more than a few electric heaters for the winter.  Gas will be shut off for sure.  Expect the nuclear power plants in Germany to be restarted.  They won´t have a choice since they are so damn dependant on gas from Russia. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:01 | 4987602 Cathartes Aura
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"electric heaters"?

that's optimistic.  search "rocket mass heater" if you're looking to be better prepared.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:35 | 4988092 MeMongo
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@Aura

Honestly thanks for the info, that's why I love this site cuz you never know what you might learn:-)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:39 | 4988114 Cathartes Aura
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most welcome.

this is why it's good to have differing perspectives in the mix, keeping information flowing

and not damned.

innovators

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:18 | 4987433 TabakLover
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Last night the US MSM propaganda machine was in full gear, national and local,  across the entire politcal spectrum.  It was scary. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:25 | 4987454 MilwaukeeMark
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Zbigniew Brezinski was on MSNBC Morning Joe pushing for a harder line on Putin. So now we know how the NWO feels about this.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:35 | 4987486 TabakLover
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NWO too busy with pandemic propagation (Africa, Colorado).  NWO is not designing a planet for 7 billion people, be sure of that.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:07 | 4987638 Cathartes Aura
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spidey senses say Colorado is a honey pot, attracting with the new "legal laws" - perfect for an

epidemic spread.

Washington state too, new wages AND less restrictions on the herbage is a great pull for a certain crowd.

the more, the merrier when the time comes.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:06 | 4987632 Kirk2NCC1701
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Was his daughter and co-host Mika all excited, having Daddy on the show?

And when will fucks like him and Kissinger finally push up daisies?  Are these people all on the Royal House of Windsor "live 100 years" diet?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:09 | 4987645 Cathartes Aura
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full blood transfusions, regularly.

works for Keef, eh.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:17 | 4987964 WillyGroper
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Wouldn't that completely confuse their aura, Cathartes? ;)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:40 | 4988124 Cathartes Aura
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I hear they don't have an aura. . .

or is that a reflection?

heh.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:30 | 4987470 UpAndComing
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Yep, both NPR and Rush were at it full blast

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:31 | 4987472 Winston Churchill
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Funny how the female anchors were even more rabid than the men.

Just how much did they sell their souls for ,is the only question in my

mind, watching these warmongers ply their trade ?

Probably they were dirt cheap.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:35 | 4987489 ThisIsBob
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Who do you have to fuck to get a job around here?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:16 | 4987682 Cathartes Aura
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"female anchors" are hand-picked for certain characteristics:

ability to stand/walk in ho-heels, flash cleavage - the shouty-strident voices are for that audience pre-trained on

AM talk radio.  where one needn't suffer looking at the meme delivery vehicles.

eye-candy for the same audience though.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:19 | 4987435 gcjohns1971
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Why should I believe West Ukrainians intentionally shot down an airliner when a stupid mistake seems so much more likely?

Why should I believe that the East Ukrainians don't  have any Air Defenses, when as recently as 17 July the East Ukrainians claimed they did have them, and it was the West Ukrainians who said they did not?

If the East Ukrainians have no long-range Air Defense systems then how did the AN-26's and various helicopters flying at 7000 meters altitude (or more for the AN-26's) get shot down?

 

There is a pattern by both the East and West Ukrainians with claiming one capability - or lack thereof - and then a few weeks or days later reversing the story 180 degrees, with no explanation of the change.     It indicates that both sides of the Ukraine conflict lie as a matter of course.

It also means you should totally disregard Ukrainian sources (West or East) and review only the concrete evidence.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:18 | 4987697 crazzziecanuck
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That's so true.

As for the helicopters, they could have simply failed mechanically.  That kind of ineptitude on the part of Kiev will make them more willing to let the rebels take credit.

Just a thought.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:06 | 4988277 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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I have read that the AN-26 ceiling is 6400 meters. So far, I believe that the rebels shot an AN-26 down almost simultanious with the downing of MH17, and that when the smoke clears, we will find that there have been two plane crashes and two separate debris areas. One near the Progress mine (AN-26) and scattered areas near the two mentioned villages Hrabove and Rozsypne (MH17). I believe right now, subject to later revision if more credible information surface, that the initial shoot down of the AN-26 and subsequent bragging online was deleted, because a public relations disaster was recognized after learning about MH17, but that it was not because the rebels had actually mistaken the two planes and shot down the wrong one. Some early eyewitness descriptions are supporting this, so either they are blatant lies, or there were two crashes happening at the same time.

I simply do not believe that planes flying at 6400 meters and 10.000 meters that are so different in make-up/profile etc. as AN-26 (much smaller - turbo prop) and a B777 can be mistaken.

But if you happen to know that rebels will shoot at anything that flies under their ceiling of reach and brag about it in a hot-shot manner, as they have done so far, and you happen to plan a shoot down of a civil airliner for political reasons needing as much negative noise as possible towards Russia and rebels as possible to get away with it, I reckon it would be mighty tempting to fly a fully fulled AN-26 (possibly with extra fuel in cargo for schock and awe) in under the ceiling at the exact same time with the explicit aim of having it shot down by rebels - thereby creating a "mistaken" identity narrative and some impressive and pursuasive video pictures of plenty of black billowing smoke for the news networks.

That billowing smoke was filmed from at least two separate locations - what are the odds that two different people would capture that - in a region where people work hard for a living, and not sitting around all day with IPhones waiting for something spectacular to occur. You can hear the zoom "clacking" action on some of the video - and I believe these are small video cameras (aka brought along specifically to film something) - not phones. So these guys were probably prepared/waiting to take the shot. 

In my mind, again subject to future revision, the camera men were either rebels doing the actual shooting (and then you could wonder why they did not capture the actual plane as well), or they were "miners working for the other side" capturing pics that were later given to a bragging commander, who took the bait. No plane was shown - so it could also have been a staged ground explosion with employer-captured miners standing by with cameras as instructed - but as of now, I believe they were simply filming an AN-26 crash in a different location that where the MH17 came down.

One miner eyewitness account stated that they had seen the missle trail and then a big boom and then 20 seconds later the black billowing smoke explosion, without seeing the actual plane coming down. Well, if they could see the black-smoke explosion from where they stood  - they should have been able to see the plane as well. So he is probably lying, which speaks for the staged ground explosion scenario - but if so, why then would the rebel commander take the bait and use the "crash" footage in his twitter brag, if no AN-26 had been shot down at all.

Alternatively, the miner did not see the plane, how weird that may be, but it was actually there, in which case the stated 20 seconds from boom to crash reveal that he was not witnessing the MH17, because 10.000 meters at free fall (in reality would be slower due to initial accelleration and that it is unclear when the fuselage broke up) but lets just say free fall at 500km/h or 139 meters per second all the way would mean a plane at 10.000 meters takes 72 seconds, if I calculate correctly, to come down, and a plane at 6400 (AN-26 ceiling) meters takes 46 seconds to come down, and a bait AN-26 flying at 3000 meters to be really juicy and tempting would take 20 seconds to come down - but that is speculation of course.

Two other eyewitness account stated that they had first heard the plane, then two booms (withness 1) or 1 boom and subsequent shots (witness 2), and then the plane hit the ground an broke in TWO parts. That does not sound like the MH17 to me.   

In any case, I don't believe that the pre-positioned cameramen taking shots of black billowing smoke without an actual plane to be seen were filming the MH17. I think there was another crash or possibly staged ground explosion as well - either that, or the first eyewitnesses have been asked to lie - in which case - because of the early timing of those reports - the possibility of a pre-planned intentional action is still rearing its ugly head a good deal above the possibility of a simple horrendous mistake.

Just my 2 cts for now.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:21 | 4987438 ShrNfr
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Don't worry, be happy. BTFATH

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:21 | 4987440 Truther
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Putin on the Ritz.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:22 | 4987442 Gringo Viejo
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If I could advise the Obama Administration on the Ukraine "situation" I would refer them to Richard Pryor's gem about fighting when a big dude turned to him and said: "What you got to do with this 'lil ni--er?" "That man made me unball my fists."

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:22 | 4987447 813kml
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My schizophrenic neighbor told me that Putin drove that plane into the ground using a tractor beam obtained from the lizard people of planet Nibiru.  This is clearly the most credible evidence yet that the US should invade Russia before the lizards emerge from that big ass hole in Siberia.  The US doesn't need any more illegal aliens at its borders, unless they can trim a good hedge.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:33 | 4987477 MeMongo
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ALL TRUE! 

I further heard Marshall Applegate and Jesus were riding a jet fueled surfboard directly behind halebop, riding that bastard like a precision guided missle:-)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:33 | 4987481 Grande Tetons
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Speaking of which, can you return my lawnmower today? 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:40 | 4987503 Otto Zitte
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You live next door to Legarde? Move.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:46 | 4987533 Latina Lover
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813kml, met a few 'illegal aliens' with  a nicely trimmed hedge.  I'd be more than happy to trade them for the ugly fat feminists fortunate enough to be born in the USSA.

http://www.returnofkings.com/2099/the-9-ugliest-american-feminists

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:49 | 4987535 DeadFred
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Ignore your neighbor, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Nibiru is a Goa'uld protectorate not Reptilian. Reptilians don't like being underground so they won't be coming out of the Siberian portal. Reptilians like the sun, if you want proof look at the suntans on Lagarde and Boehner. Some people have the craziest ideas!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:23 | 4987448 Kina
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Can we now ask what the head of the CIA was doing in Kiev the other month?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:54 | 4987569 Bastiat
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No.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:24 | 4987451 Bosch
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If American liberals have taught me anything it is that the party claiming that something shouldn't be used for political gain is the one that fucked up. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:24 | 4987452 Kina
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Australian Prime Minister secret phone call to Ukraine....please shoot down another plane, I need to do some more grandstanding.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:32 | 4987478 wonderatitall
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...and the bare is loose on tv eating burgers he stole from school kids

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:25 | 4987456 russwinter
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Politically Correct US Becoming a Petri Dish of Disease, Illness

http://winteractionables.com/?p=13348

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:29 | 4987464 JustObserving
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Russian army data points to Ukrainian role in Malaysian Airlines MH17 crash


By Alex Lantier 
22 July 2014


At a press conference yesterday in Moscow, the Russian Defense Ministry presented detailed radar and satellite data on the movement of forces loyal to the Ukrainian regime in Kiev before Thursday's crash of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. These data raise the most serious questions about the possible involvement of the Kiev regime and its Western backers in the crash.

The evidence presented by Lieutenant General Andrei Kartopolov, the head of the Russian armed forces' Main Operations Directorate, show that MH17 was being trailed by a Ukrainian fighter jet and was in range of Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missiles and fire control radars at the time of the crash. The Russian data confirm Russian and European media reports, citing Kiev air traffic controllers, that Ukrainian fighters and air traffic control were following the plane intensively just before it crashed.

Kartopolov presented radar data showing a Ukrainian jet, apparently a Sukhoi-25 fighter, following the Malaysian jetliner. “A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, its distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5 km,” he said. “[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost at same time and at the same level as a passenger plane.”

Kartopolov noted that this fighter jet was itself in position to destroy the passenger liner with a missile. “The SU-25 can reach an altitude of 10km, according to its specifications. It's equipped with R60 air-to-air missiles that can hit a target at a distance of up to 12 km, up to 5km for sure,” he said.

At the same time as it was being trailed by a Ukrainian fighter, MH 17 “deviated from its route towards the north,” Kartopolov reported. “The maximum deviation was 14 km.”

Kartopolov also presented Russian satellite images dated July 14 of Ukrainian Buk surface-to-air missile batteries—the type of missile that Washington alleges brought down flight MH17—stationed near Luhansk and at a Ukrainian radar station near Donetsk.

On July 17, the day of the MH17 crash, however, one of the missile batteries was moved from this area to a location from which it could have fired on and destroyed flight MH17.

This movement of the missile launcher is extremely unusual, as the Ukrainian Buk missiles were being deployed to an area near the main pro-Russian separatist bases. It begs the question of why the Kiev regime would have risked sending a missile battery to such an exposed location. Russian images after the crash, dated July 18, showed that the missile battery had moved back to where it had been previously.

Kartopolov also said that Russian forces had detected increased electronic activity by radar stations providing targeting information to the Ukrainian Buk batteries.

“On July 17 the intensity of Ukrainian radar stations increased to the maximum,” he said, adding that seven Ukrainian radar stations were active in the region on July 15, eight on July 16, and nine on July 17. On July 18, however, only four were operating, and only two on July 19.

He also called on Washington to publish the data from a US satellite that Russian forces tracked over east Ukraine at the time of the crash. While US officials have said that their satellites detected the heat signature from the firing of a missile shortly before MH17 crashed, they have until now refused to publish any satellite data or identify specifically who they believe launched the missile.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/22/russ-j22.html

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:33 | 4987474 ArgentDawn
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Note the extreme delay in retreiving of the bodies. Removes any time of death and indetification abilities. Cui bono?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:36 | 4987490 Bosch
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The time of death is already pretty much known, unless you think everyone walking down the ramp onto that plane were characters from Weekend at Bernie's. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:41 | 4987509 SmallerGovNow2
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I haven't seen that video, you have a source?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:39 | 4987500 LoneStarHog
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Freelance Journalist Jim Stone> www.jimstonefreelance.com/

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:41 | 4987514 Kina
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It is clear that some if not all of the 'evidence' against the East Ukrainian sepratists was faked....they had no missiles but evidence shows Ukraine forces did and in an area where they could have shot down this plane.

 

There is now two/three sources of evidence that at least one Ukrainian Su-25 was flying along with the airliner (why - and why their silence now).Indian pilots, Spanish airtraffic controler and Russian radar/imagry of the Ukraine Su-25

 

Now if it were impossible for the East Ukrainians to shoot down the airliner it either had to be a Ukranian missile or the Su-25.

 

And a good question is - how the fuck could Ukrainian authorities announce immediately that the airliner was shot down by a missile the moment it went missing - how the fuck could they know that at the time???????

 

 

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:42 | 4987519 Omen IV
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Engagement at any level produces negative consequences for the Europeans - If the pipeline is bombed  - regardless of sanctions they lose - the best party to take control of the southern Ukraine is Russia - peace and quiet, steady delivery of gas for another 60 years and the Fascists back to Liviv

if the US controls the border and the pipeline, there will be a never ending series of incidents for the next ten years until they own Russia - the ultimate objective for all this chaos

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:44 | 4987526 q99x2
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When is the City of London going to be nuked so we can all live in peace again?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:51 | 4987554 fredquimby
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If the bloviating UK politicians in London carry on accusing Putin of murder and overtly perpetrate an act of war against him (sanctions), I would wager it won't be too long.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:54 | 4987540 ThisIsBob
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US "intelligence" has everything - communications intercepts, satellites, etc., etc.  I am waiting for the President to "show me the beef" if any there may be.

Could it be a Hound Of The Baskervilles?  The dog didn't bark because it was an inside job.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:49 | 4987544 NoWayJose
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If the black boxes confirm the presence of Ukrainian fighters flying along with MH17, the hoax will collapse, even if there is dispute over who fired.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:58 | 4987590 Bastiat
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I don't expect transparency from the Malaysians;  maybe I'm just getting cynical.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:18 | 4988745 Jano
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I expect, that the black boxes will be declared technicaly useless...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 09:50 | 4987549 youngman
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Dont buy any jewerly from the Ukraine right now....its probably used..

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:11 | 4987651 Infinite QE
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Yeah, probably a bummer that the luggage tags say MA370.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:04 | 4987625 Kina
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Now with all those mobile phones with cameras wouldn't it be embarassing for Ukraine if a few videos turned up showing some flying object approaching a bigger flying object then it turning into flames and the smaller flying object moving away.

 

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:11 | 4987658 Infinite QE
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Is Vicky Nuland passing out cookies to the workers there yet?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:18 | 4987972 nathan1234
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Nope- she is busy with Porko

She only Fcuks around with those who do her bedding ..er bidding

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 10:28 | 4987744 One of We
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It seems there has to be a hard cap on the number of false flags deployed before the effectiveness of "manufactured outrage" wanes.  For myself, I now assume the false flag until proven otherwise.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:10 | 4987940 no1wonder
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Two excellent pieces by investigative reporter Robert Parry in ConsortiumNews

"What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?" (July 20, 2014)

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/

"Kerry’s Latest Reckless Rush to Judgment" (July 21, 2014)

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/21/kerrys-latest-reckless-rush-to-judgment/

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 11:12 | 4987946 tumblemore
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A fighter flying in between an air liner and a SAM on the ground can be hidden by the larger plane's radar shadow and spoof the air liner's IIF transponder to make it look like a military plane. This would explain why the rebels sent to film the wreckage thought it was going to be an Ilyushin 76 as that's the only Kiev plane big enough.

 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 12:32 | 4988451 CheapBastard
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Pressure should be applied to end the civil war in Ukraine as opposed to throwing more stones at Russia. The overthrow of the rightly elected former pres of Uke started all this. Where are the true diplomats?

 

Now we'll have an MH17 Group of Nations? My grandpa syas, "When don't have a clue what to do, or really do not want to do anything, you appoint a Committee to look into the issue. Then, you can be assured nothing will get done." 

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