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Flight MH-17 Black Boxes To Be Analyzed In "Impartial" London

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Now that the black boxes from flight MH-17 have been handed over by the Ukraine separatists to Malaysian authorities (somewhat denting the credibility of the fabricated Ukrainian YouTube clip in which the rebels were "instructed" by Moscow to hide the black boxes), there was one question: which impartial entity and/or country would be tasked with an objective retrieval and analysis of the contents. A little while ago we got the answer courtesy of none other than UK Prime Minister David Cameron:

So the Dutch are incapable of analyzing black boxes on their own and needed London's help? Curious.

AP has more: 

Britain's prime minister says black boxes from the Malaysia Airlines plane downed in eastern Ukraine will be examined by U.K. air accident investigators.


David Cameron said on Twitter that British experts at the Air Accidents Investigation Branch will retrieve data from the flight recorders for analysis, following a request from the Dutch government.


Earlier Tuesday, pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine handed the two black boxes from Flight 17 over to Malaysian investigators in the city of Donetsk. Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the handover was part of an agreement he had reached with rebel leader Alexander Borodai.


Najib said the black boxes appeared "to be in good condition."

It remains to be seen if the Air Traffic Control recordings with flight MH17 which as we reported last week were confiscated by the Ukraine secret service, would also be provided to London for a comparable objective inquiry.

In the meantime, we await said "objective" conclusion of what the Farnborough crack investigators uncover, the same investigators from the unquestionably objective UK, whose Prime Minister also made the tape one short hour ago, after he "lost patience with Vladimir Putin’s “bluster and obfuscation” on Monday night and called on Europe to impose “hard-hitting sanctions” on Russia after the downing of Flight MH17. In his strongest intervention since the disaster, which killed 298 people, the Prime Minister invoked the spectre of the Second World War and compared Russia’s aggression to that of Nazi Germany."

Truly impartial objectivity all around.


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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:07 | 4988666 Thought Processor
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Analyzed and 'adjusted' by MI6 no doubt.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:10 | 4988682 JenkinsLane
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"It's not the votes that count but who counts the votes"

Joseph Stalin

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988712 Arius
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Cameron is not UK .... he is just one person ... the data will be analyzed by an independent body.


On Cameron, yes, plenty of people do not like him and he is personally one of the reasons of Scots movement for independence, he is definitely making a mess of things... i just hope for the best.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:18 | 4988747 pods
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From the piece:
" Those of us in Europe should not need to be reminded of the consequences of turning a blind eye when big countries bully smaller countries.”

So, you mean like Greece, Cyprus et all?

These inbred self righteous pricks need a good neck stretching.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:28 | 4988791 Pinto Currency
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This situaton could not get any more ridiculous.

Give the black boxes to the City of London.  Good idea.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:28 | 4988808 pods
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Soon to be found on the voice recorder:
"See that area right there, that is the rebel area, supported by Putin.  Yeah, right there, right where that missile is coming from."


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:42 | 4988905 Tao 4 the Show
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Deadly serious game of tit for tat going on, and played in the spirit of another game called "chicken".

Now, honestly, who do you imagine will blink?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:43 | 4988915 XRAYD
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Its not cricket, lad!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:06 | 4989038 Pladizow
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Is London an ally of the US or Russia?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:17 | 4989089 ZerOhead
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Now I may be totally out in left field here (nutter that I am) but...


If ONE synagogue in NYC experiences a "natural gas explosion" killing 300 people it may be accidental.

If a SECOND NYC synagogue experiences a "natural gas explosion" killing another 300 a couple of months later you can bet your last dollar they were BOTH terrorist attacks.


If ONE Malaysian 777 is lost with 300 passengers on it after going off course without a trace however you can bet foul play was involved.

If a SECOND Malaysian 777 is shot down even "accidentally" after going off course thanks to Ukraine air traffic controllers resulting in a loss of 300 lives...


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:18 | 4989102 JoeSexPack
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Malaysian plane, made in US, flying from Holland to Kuala Lumpur crashes in Ukraine & recorder given to....the UK.


Got it.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:26 | 4989159 redpill
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BREAKING>>> South Africa pissed they were left out of the circle jerk

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:00 | 4989323 AnAnonymous
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Australia maybe as South Africa is on the other side by now.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:44 | 4989575 bob_stl
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Black box shows that airplane was flying along fine one second and then had a catostrophic failure. That's all the boxes do. They don't know that it got hit by a missile let alone who fired it.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:02 | 4989688 Perfecthedge
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Pilot 1: "Ohhhh fuck, what is that SU-25 doing here..."

Pilot 2: "Mayday, mayday....military fighter jets shooting at 11 am"

Pilot 1: "Aaaaaaaaaahhhhh, fuck you Ukraine.........."

--------------------END oF TRANSMISSION--------------------------------------------


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:19 | 4989763 Seer
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"Got it."

Russian's did it- Got it! - FIXED!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:14 | 4989072 ZerOhead
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4988932 pods
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Europe.  Because winter is fast approaching and Germany gets like 20% of its energy from NG.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:53 | 4988946 Tao 4 the Show
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Right, but Europe is just the hapless pedestrian crossing the street as the two vehicles accelerate towards each other.

Notice that Merkel is floating the idea of stepping down? Europe is caught between the devil and the freeze.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:56 | 4988997 pods
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Well they are not the hapless pedestrian, but they are not leading the charge.

Consider Europe the toady Grover Dill to the US's Scut Farkas.




Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:59 | 4989010 angel_of_joy
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Europe could freeze with or without Merkel in charge of Germany. Cameron looks more idiotic by the day. He is a perfect fit for the Obozo / Krugman club of morons.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:41 | 4988900 Cacete de Ouro
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Don't worry, the Worshipful Company of AAIB Black Box Fixers are on the job now in Farnborough, after they complete their masons hall meeting this evening.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:05 | 4988949 Cacete de Ouro
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"We are completely independent of the London Gold Market Fixing Company Limited", said the London Black Box Fixing Company this afternoon from their headquarters in Whitehall, but admitted the name was an unfortunate coincidence.

"When we were established in 1954, fixing was an appropriate term for what we do. The black box fixing is very transparent, it's just that the public don't understand the mechanics of the Fixing process", added Sir Horace Goodfellow, head of the Black Box Fixing technical team.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:53 | 4989304 agstacks
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:29 | 4989498 Stumpy4516
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My understanding is that there were two black boxes and both are now in the UK's hands to retreive the data.

Master chess player Putin just got out played again.  And what could have been a huge win just turned into a huge defeat

Why would both boxes be given up by Russia.  To insure accuracy one should have been kept and the data retreived in a manner that Russia controlled but with observers from other nations and all nations given the data as it was downloaded.

Putin starts to look like a bafoon more and more, and that does not give me enjoyment.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:39 | 4989550 topshelfstuff
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should have been opened, recorded and documented by 3 US, Russia and a UN Rep, after all the allegations We The People deserve the Truth...but forget it now

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:45 | 4989582 topshelfstuff
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it sure seems like Ukraine's Right sector is trying to squash the recovery, not only hitting the area but focused on the rail station

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:25 | 4989804 Seer
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Geez, you didn't write the movie script for the movie The Net ( did you?

Assuming that Russia in fact had full access to the black boxes one would think that they'd have coped the data off them, don't ya think?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:54 | 4989986 chubbyjjfong
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+1000 Seer.  The Russians would have already analysed the shit outta those red black boxes.  

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 18:04 | 4990350 Stumpy4516
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I do not know what is required to download the data.  If you do so does it leave a trail, after a crash and fire does the box have to be opened to download.  So, if Russia did download the data, if the allies can show it was done, the allies can claim tampering.

What if Russia did download it and the allies do not know.  Later when Russia releases it the allies claim it is all false and has been expertly manipulated.

However, if Russia took one of the boxes and then had all other countries there when it was downloaded and gave the data to the other countries at that time.  Then it is hard for the allies to claim tampering.

Foolish mistake by Putin.  His actions have tainted the data and the data will be of little use to combat the propaganda from the west who will simply say it's all lies from the KGB guy and use Putin's failure to be public from the beginning as evidence Putin is falsifying the data.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 18:11 | 4990389 Savvy
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Assuming the boxes had batteries to begin with. lol. Cameron can say they say anything he's told to.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:22 | 4988765 walküre
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Sure, the Queen herself is doing this as courtesy to the Dutch Royals.

That friendship goes back centuries and BP and Shell are just a few of their common assets and interests.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:38 | 4989236 _ConanTheLibert...
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How old is she anyway? 200 years old?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:35 | 4988852 JenkinsLane
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Do you want to buy some magic beans?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:38 | 4988876 pods
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Only if you tell me they have been independently verified as magical beans.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:49 | 4988951 JenkinsLane
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I'll have them sent over to the Air Accident Investigation Branch now - I've given them a

call and they're going to get right on it.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:27 | 4989810 Seer
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I can attest to them being so verified, by Monsanto!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:15 | 4989057 hard_working_guy
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This makes it clear that the last thing the west wants is an independent analysis.

This seems more and more to have been a well planned attempt to divide the public and start a major war.

Would not surprise me if Putin is in on it too.

War push oil price up

Win- win all round, unless your TPTM (too poor to matter)

Meanwhile the indiscriminate massacre of innocent civillians continues in Gaza, but thats fine with David Cameron and his buddies.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:28 | 4989815 Seer
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Might have an angle there.  However, there's an issue of whether your customers can actually pay for gas/oil...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:04 | 4989347 tony wilson
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david cam moron and rabbinical chums talk frankly on mossad blackmail and satanism and it's use of children in death cult rituals.

a must see for masons Gislason

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:46 | 4989600 giggler321
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Cameron is not UK .... he is personally one of the reasons of Scots movement for independence ...

Well since his Family roots lay in Scotland and with a good old name like the Cameron clan, you'd of thought they'd welcome him with open arms.

Back on topic, London?  the place is a brothel when you need a virgin who would be impartial.  I think Russia should read the data, more believable.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:31 | 4989831 Seer
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"I think Russia should read the data, more believable."

Pretty sure that Russia has copies of the data.  Would also think that they are able to decipher it.  If that is the case then it comes down to the "reporting."

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 17:56 | 4990298 Savvy
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Cameron is not UK .... he is just one person ... the data will be analyzed by an independent body.


What turnip truck did you fall off of?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988725 Deathrips
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Great we have the master theif guarding another open safe....should turn out well.


Fuck the city of london.



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:29 | 4989822 forensicator
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and there in a nutshell is why elections in America mean nothing anymore

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:12 | 4988695 Eireann go Brach
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On behalf of the rest of the World! GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU ENGLISH CUNT!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4988937 Kirk2NCC1701
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If Russia made a copy and told the UK they did, Cameron will have a "sticky" situation.

A "sticky wicket", as the Brits like to say. 

Get the popcorn, and turn to other news... Gaza, ISIS, IMF...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:58 | 4989004 PT
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... except, no matter how great the evidence, Russia's version of events will never appear on our telescreens over here.  Damn shame.


If our govt wanted us to believe their big lies, perhaps they shouldn't have told so many small lies.



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:36 | 4989873 Seer
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Figuring the the British/US won't be able to create a huge whopper of a lie.  Anyone want to wager that it is found that the data is inconclusive?  I could see the big players agreeing to this as a step back from what otherwise could escallate to war.

The last big one had a Russian blinking.  This time I think it'll be the US doing the blinking.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988713 Canadian Dirtlump
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indeed. Just don't have a child deliver theblack box lest he end up bleeding from the ass. This investigation is and always was a set up, as was this tragedy. The western stooges will parade out to the media and lie their asses off as they have with every other geopolitical canard the last 10 years.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:28 | 4988805 Blankenstein
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Off topic:


IRS sought help to destroy 3200 hard drives.


"Days after IRS officials said in a sworn statement that former top agency employee Lois G. Lerner’s computer memory had been wiped clean, the agency put out word to contractors Monday that it needs help to destroy at least another 3,200 hard drives."

Read more: 
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:42 | 4988903 SoDamnMad
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You can't make this shit up.  God save us. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:54 | 4989308 dogbreath
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depends what you mean by "save".

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:44 | 4988913 7.62x54r
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"So sorry, but we damaged the hard drive while we were copying it. Here is a good copy of the contents."

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:01 | 4989316 what's that smell
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impartial london black box analysis proves it!!!.....

black box WTF911 time stamp 15:34:12:

major tom to ground control: "holy shit! look at that! it's putin's missle!"

ground control to major tom: "those russians are gonna pay!"

major tom to ground control: "putin killed my baby.....BOOM!"

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:00 | 4989012 pods
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Surprises me as much as seeing the RFP for housing a gabillion Honduran kids in January.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:16 | 4989093 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The solicitation number is TIRNO-14-Q-00138.

They issued the solicitation on July 21st.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:18 | 4989099 PT
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Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage.

But other web pages load up fine.
And I can barely get a stripped down version of the Washington Times' sport page.
Does this mean they no longer support XP?


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:28 | 4989175 Max Cynical
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.gov maintains 77,000 vacant would think they could find some space to hold 3,200 hard drives in storage.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:57 | 4989000 aardwolf
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:03 | 4989027 pods
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Thanks for the information.

Just a quick note.  You can get the same thing across here without all the caps.  Kinda makes it seem Yahooish.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:20 | 4989121 Herd Redirectio...
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They called a certain David Icke a nutter for exposing the above.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:39 | 4989881 Seer
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Because he failed to use all caps...  The MSM can only communicate by screaming and such...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:16 | 4989422 shovelhead
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You mean all caps doesn't make a post seem serious and more believeable?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:04 | 4989031 Blackfox
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Or maybe MI5/6 are just making this all up and blackmailing them?

Did you notice how fast that internet snooping bill passed last week?

Or maybe they are kiddie fiddlers and Mi5/6/the tribe is blackmailing them....



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:11 | 4989069 walküre
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I thought it was only the Belgian Royals and politicians who raped kids? Must be the warm beer!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:11 | 4989073 FrustratedLogician
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Dude, can you give us some links to this horrendous post? I believe you 100% and I'm not surprised at all about paedophiles. Lithuania had a scandal too, paedophiles won. Dumping bodies when they are fucked? ... It seems like the story of Queen letting children out to forest and then huntig them down is not fae-fetched. Inbreeding really fucks up your mind.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:47 | 4989134 Cacete de Ouro
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A lot if it is true about the British Establishment and the Royals in Holland and Belgium.

Just look at this video of How Nick Glegg, the UK Liberal leader, reacted when he was confronted about establishment pedophile recently while on a photo shoot outside his office with a large party of supporters and politicians. He turned white and quickly walked away back to his office building, leaving all the others on the photoshoot just standing there.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:09 | 4989374 agstacks
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It's interesting how the police/body gaurds allow him to ask the question.  In the USSA, you would be tazered, handcuffed and pepper sprayed before being hauled off to gulag on terrorist charges. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4989477 Blackfox
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Yeah it's true sadly.

Former Mayor of London Ken Livingstone talks about MI5 using a Pedophile entrapment ring to try and net members of the IRA.

'Powerful elite' of at least 20 establishment figures may have been part of paedophile ring that abused children for decades


But like I said, this is the Daily Mail. And after seeing the amount of propaganda come from this rag the last week.....   who knows WTF is goin on.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 18:48 | 4990544 layman_please
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20? just look at the length of this list

Partial List of Convicted British Paedo Politicians

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:28 | 4989163 Son of Loki
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Please tap that "CAPS LOCK" button one more time.



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:43 | 4989259 _ConanTheLibert...
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I thought the English were all gay on that inbred island but this will do.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:13 | 4989085 raki_d
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question is why isnt Putin coming out and confirming: "Russia hasnt done it. Its Ukraine!"

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:46 | 4989921 Seer
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Because he's letting "due process" take place?

Anyone want to wager that Putin hasn't let it be known (back channels) that Russia has copies of the data and are able to decipher it? and that they know how to prove that the data is real and hasn't been tampered (begs the question of whether the West can prove that it [West] didn't tamper)?

I'm calling the outcome that the data will be inconclusive (geez, not like we haven't seen this outcome from "investigations" of other Big Events).  Russia will just roll eyes and go along, knowing that the West can only turn tail and run (otherwise be totally discredited as having lied to everyone).

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:07 | 4988669 Aknownymouse
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Bet you they will find a mysterious file in the b box that has a big red X on the kremlin, as proof that the BUK came out of there. There might also be the voices of some russian generals cheering after the hit. You watch.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:10 | 4988685 Aknownymouse
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Apparently a couple of trolls here flunked the subject of 'sarcasm' at school.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988726 Canadian Dirtlump
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no kidding.


I do love how in the year 2014 ( and 2013 ) the west has youtube videos pre made for when shit like this happens ( see the chemical attack in syria last year ).

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:59 | 4989005 Herd Redirectio...
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youtube is gospel.  Don't go dissing youtube now. 

Next you will tell me that celebs pay people to write their Twitter feeds!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:08 | 4988678 Ariadne
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Yes yes, the truth is what we are told to tell you it is.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:11 | 4988687 walküre
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I thought they'd be in Malaysia by now? WTF?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:16 | 4988724 kowalli
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Malaysia-Netherlands-England - a new route

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:18 | 4988743 walküre
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Might as well put it straight on Obama's desk to tamper with. Again, Putin and Russia remain remarkably restraint and cool.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:22 | 4988767 kowalli
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USA and ganksters still more stronger...((( If we take black boxex to Russia - do you know what msm will tell?)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:45 | 4988924 walküre
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Guilty and never to be proven innocent, no matter what.

Gleiwitz marks the official start of WW2 and is of course German aggression against Poland when in fact Poland had attacked Germany's border several times prior in 1939. Poland built ghettos and sent German natives packing, also Jews. Germany had to build refugee camps to absorb and process the people coming across.

WW2 began on September 2nd, 1939 with the retaliation by the UK and France when Poland asked for their "help". The treaties between Poland and UK/France were setup to trigger the war and Poland's requirement was to tickle the Germans as long as it took for Germany to say "enough". Stalin knew this as well which is why he made the pact with Hitler. Why did Stalin change tactics later-on or did Hitler really go too far? Not really relevant today but interesting nevertheless.

Now we have the exact same setup in Ukraine and Putin's Russia is being tickled by the US/UK banker cabal. Putin seems to have studied history and is very very cautious with every move. Instead of being angered and making mistakes, he goes around the world in concert with the Chinese drawing up treaties. Quite masterful!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:12 | 4989079 blabam
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Got some reading links? Interesting material. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:36 | 4989189 walküre
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If you can read German, this is a good summary of what happened in 1939

Karin Zimmerman researched and investigated this important part of German history. It leaves anyone with an objective mind to conclude that Germany is not exclusively responsible for the war and that major artrocities could have been prevented. But that wasn't the goal was it? War is a racket, the dirtiest business of all. Winner takes all and gets to tell the story.

There are plenty sites in English covering the same under "Gleiwitz incident"

If you remember, the whole purpose of the American propaganda was to declare Germany "defeated" and to capitulate 100%. That allowed Allied forces to occupy Germany, to establish the Western wall against Stalin's "communist" Russia  and to steal billions in IP from German factories, laboratories and schools.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:57 | 4989318 magnetosphere
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u forgot the russian theory that the british gave hitler bohemia and wanted him to attack the russians.  only after the molotov ribbentrop pact did the british intervene against germany

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:23 | 4989456 Martian Tourist
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Britain - Poland pact against German aggression signed March 1939
Germany - Russia pact with secret agreement to carve up Poland signed August 1939

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 17:49 | 4990252 magnetosphere
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the british-polish anti-german mutual defense pact was signed august 25, 2 days after the molotov ribbentrop pact, and delayed hitler's invasion of poland from august 26 to september 1.  the earlier march 3 agreement pledged support for poland but did not specify a military alliance.  even the august defence pact had a secret protocol specifying germany and not russia as the enemy that britain would fight against.  this rabbit hole is much deeper than many suspect.  my initial reaction to this theory was the same as yours, until i dug deeper.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:14 | 4989398 Martian Tourist
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And then remind me why Germany invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 18:18 | 4990414 magnetosphere
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after you tell me why britain violated norway and invaded iraq and iran.  and why russia attacked finland, estonia, latvia, lithuania, poland, romania, and iran, to say nothing of the other soviet republics like ukraine.  and why was france occupying indochina anyway? 

come to think of it, why don't we blame the united states for starting a world war when they smashed the cherokee?  answer: they had no great power friends.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:11 | 4988688 cougar_w
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The BB won't have much to say, but sure let the UK look at them. Then let anyone else who wants to, look at them.

Average the results.

Not the truth, just an estimate. It will be the best you get out of this.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:11 | 4988692 TeamDepends
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Yes indeed, we will listen to those tapes with our Dutch buddies during one of our fabulous human hunting soirees.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:13 | 4988697 ekm1
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For all those asking for truth and impartial investigation and such subliminal things, let me tell you something:




There are only INTERESTS. Reality is twisted and interpreted to fit those interests.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:21 | 4988754 TeamDepends
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Of course there is truth.  But only a fool expects to hear it from MSM.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:28 | 4988777 Chief Wonder Bread
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So we have 'truthiness', an acknowledgement of the impossibility of understanding the full truth.

Or is that just 'liberal' cover?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:36 | 4988863 ekm1
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Life is 'propaganda' for those who refuse to use their brains.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:29 | 4988806 blabam
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "TRUTH" your statement is a contradiction.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:32 | 4988828 ekm1
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I like that one

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:27 | 4989161 Totentänzerlied
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A fact is not truth, nor The Truth.

A collection of facts is not truth, nor The Truth.

The sum of all facts is not truth, nor The Truth.

There is no capital-T Truth, only truths. Can you prove that the universe has to obey the axioms of any given bivalent logic? No, only human minds (tend to) do that, because it's a fast, easy, obvious, and cheap solution to a serious evolutionary problem.

He included the scare-quotes for a reason.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:54 | 4989652 Ghordius
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and the reason why facts are more valuable than "truths"

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:37 | 4988870 cougar_w
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While I understand your general point, there really is the truth. Just because nobody is interested in it -- that it will never be known, or that every player wants to represent truth to suit their agenda -- doesn't mean the truth has ceased to exist.

Something happened. It actually happened, like a stone falling and hitting the ground. There it is, well imagine that. We're not guessing about something having happened because obviously it did.

Whatever else happens now we need to remain an ally to truth. The truth has few friends anymore, and many enemies, and many more who would simply subvert it and make it something else -- make it a non-truth.

Someone always has to ask what is the truth so that truth at least is invited to the party.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:42 | 4988907 ekm1
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'Truth' is never invited where 'interests' are discussed and prioritized.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:03 | 4989022 Chief Wonder Bread
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So nobody will try to crash the party?

edit: I didn't downvote you.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 15:06 | 4989362 Totentänzerlied
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" like a stone falling and hitting the ground"

That's just a story in someone's mind. In reality, a solid mass of mostly carbon-based molecules succumbed to the force of gravity and collided with the outer surface of Earth's crust... well not really ... the stone could be made up of any number of types of molecules and atoms, and it didn't really hit anything, it's electromagnetic field was repelled the stronger electomagnetic field of the surface, and gravity isn't really a force, it's the curvature of spacetime itself, and the Earth's crust isn't really an object any more than the stone is, and this doesn't even take quantum physics into account at all. Every single layer of explanation is really just another description of what someone thinks is happening. Some descriptions are better than others, certainly, but that's all they are.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:51 | 4989955 Seer
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Yeah, but the ending, are we going to live?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:44 | 4988922 7.62x54r
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Is this statement of your's true?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4988930 ekm1
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:02 | 4989026 angel_of_joy
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Prove it, then !

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:12 | 4988699 tony wilson
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we in the gchq mi5 and the 6 have been involved in satanic rape,child murder and corpse disposal for a long tavistock saturn run time.

leave it up too the masters of frank kitson psy op too cover too get too the bottom of russias guilt what what.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:14 | 4988703 firstdivision
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Sweet!  We will finally get some honest answers about what happened.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:00 | 4989013 stilletto
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I guess the voters dont understand sarcasm. Nice try.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:14 | 4988708 NoWayJose
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Where is the UN's ICAO crash team?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:16 | 4988728 tony wilson
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at centcom kiev

we just resupplied john wayne all systems israel go go go.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:02 | 4989019 stilletto
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You mean that ICAO who didnt close the dangerous airspace over Ukraine and let this tragedy happen? When are they being held to account?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:14 | 4988709 lpierre1955
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Why did these Malaysian ass holes give the black boxes to the UK ???!!!!

I hope that the Russian were enough clever to make a copy...

Actually I'm sure they did ...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:17 | 4988742 kowalli
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i don't know a way to do copy from sealed black boxes

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:23 | 4988776 lpierre1955
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UnSeal -> copy/paste -> Seal ...



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:26 | 4988796 kowalli
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Sure, no one will find...- do you ever once saw black boxes?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:30 | 4988820 lpierre1955
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We're not talking about a banana republic here, it's Russia, if they can make satellites, I'm sure they can unseal and seal a black box, which is orange by the way ...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:41 | 4988899 cougar_w
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AFAIK the box is a just recording unit. Cockpit audio and airframe telemetry.

All they had to do was play back the recording and grab the telemetry.

Doesn't even degrade the original.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4988931 7.62x54r
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There will be a mysterious failure of the original hard drive in the black box.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:34 | 4989209 PT
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For some strange reason it will insist that the aeroplane went down a few weeks ago at Diego Garcia.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 16:56 | 4989994 Seer
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It'll be claimed that the data was inconclusive.  The West will back down...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4988878 ZerOhead
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Publicly revealing in front of the whole world at the same time the conversations recorded by the cockpit voice recorder were the only chance of finding out exactly how MH17 ended up getting shot down where it did without anyone questioning the veracity of the recordings.

If there was any chance at all that the Ukrainians were behind the shootdown be it the redirection or Su-25 escort it would have be there.

The Ukes and Brits and Americans already know what the tower to airplane communications were for 5 days now and have released NOTHING to the media to back their accusations against the Rusians.

That in itself speaks volumes.

Now the only question is whether the British Poodles will point to the "rebels" or the Russians themselves.

The Ukrainians are now completely 100% iinnocent of involvement. They are our "allies" so any other outcome will be buried. Especially if the Nuland and the CIA were involved.

Unless Vlad made an isurance copy of the voice recordings before the "freedom fighters" handed it over to the Malaysians that is...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:28 | 4988803 John McCloy
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Where did you hear or see that they are sealed? And if they are I promise you that it has been RESEALED. Putin would never hand those boxes over without extracting the data.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:52 | 4988975 7.62x54r
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I see a bunch of ports on the outsides of these boxes.

He could probably get a copy without opening the thing. How much do you want to bet a uuencoded copy of the data appears on the internet immediately after the British cook up their report?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:23 | 4989140 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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OR (wishful thinking) this is the ploy to have Cameron hang himself thoroughly. What if the UK power guys have already determined that the "mistaken identity" narrative has failed, which puts the UK in a rather uncomfortable place with all the propaganda skrreeking done so far. How to redeem.... how to redeem? Maybe if we get a UK institution of some repute to analyse the data - and against expectations publish the truth (aka same version as on undoctored secret copies and therefore not disputed later by the opposition) - only Cameron and the tabloids will look like crooks  - not the UK as a whole.

I am not holding my breath for this outcome though...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:25 | 4988785 John McCloy
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Lol you kidding me..
Russia knew what occurred in the cockpit 12 hours after the crash..copies made without question.
Now he's just waiting for forged copies to be released by the NATO NWO powers..he likely won't release them otherwise.
My belief is they were given orders by the ATC to alter heading under threat of the Ukrainian planes which were "escorting them"...
This whole situation reaks...and certainly not of evidence it was's gonna take a lot of guys in a room for a few weeks bouncing around ideas before they start the serious fabrications..

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:32 | 4988831 SoDamnMad
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Did you see the original video?  Here is a kid walking out of a wheat field holding the black box (red actually). They have amphenol connectors and wires attached and I would imagine they are located up near the flight deck. This kid with no tools walks in carrying one. Like it was ejected with a little parachute to safely land away from the rest of the airplane. Say what?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:37 | 4988873 SoDamnMad
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Spank me. One device is in the tail and another is up near the flight deck.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 17:01 | 4990013 Seer
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I suspect that the West will be able to note that the data was accessed and that they KNOW that Russia has the goods on them.  Figure that the West will claim that the data is inconclusive (or bad).  The back-channel will be that the West will back off as long as Russia doesn't try releasing the data.  This time the US blinks...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:12 | 4989081 stilletto
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Nope. The boxes are sealed with tamperproof tags. If anyone opens the box its obvious. Then the west could shout about Russia tampering the boxes. The Russians wouldnt be dumb enough to give the west that excuse. We just have to hope that the honest boys in the UK AAIB resist any attempts by Camerons Stooges to get involved. We have to be vigilant. I hope the UK AAIB invite Russian and other investigators to witness and assist in opening and examining the boxes to avoid suspicion. Its what they'll do if they are smart. (I was an air accident investigator). Also the black boxes will not tell us who shot it down, but the cockpit recording will show if Kiev Airtraffic vectored it to a more dangerous area as well as descending it to a more dangerous height. The Kiev ATC tapes will be crucial (not handed over by Kiev!!), and US Satellite imagery crucial as well (not handed over!!) So who is hiding evidence??

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:38 | 4989238 Winston Churchill
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RAE Farnborough used to have honest investigators.

Whether HMG will let them share the investigation with outside observors will

be the tell.The Russians must have the Kiev ATC on tape.The Ukraine is the

 the most surveiled place on earth for ANY electronic emissions(as Nudelman found out).

The Russians already let it be known, in a roundabout way, by specifying numbers

and types of of radar signals that they have recordings, and logs.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988710 Cupid Stunt
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I thought the black box was the property of the country in which the plane was registered...............I could be wrong......What the fuck has it to do with the Dutch....

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 17:03 | 4990022 Seer
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"What the fuck has it to do with the Dutch...."

Duh!  Because the British said: "It's Dutch to us!"

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:15 | 4988718 Omen IV
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this development will not end well - the UK investgators went into the Guardian Newspaper and destroyed the Snowden data on hard drives because the truth was dangerous

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:22 | 4989137 stilletto
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Different investigators! Snowden was done by MI5 and security goons. UK AAIB is independant of Govt and works under CAA (UKs FAA). Their job is to find out what happened not pass blame and they have criticised the Government in the past, just as FAA has criticised the US Govt. No guarantees but it will be hard for the 'security' boys to get in without some of the many honest guys in AAIB crying foul. Watch for any investigator tweeting that the Govt is poking its nose in.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:16 | 4988732 kowalli
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bye bye black boxes...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:32 | 4988835 BeetleBailey
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the old switcheroo comin on....

Mixing and editing feverishly right now at some underground studio....

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:44 | 4988912 cougar_w
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Don't think so.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:16 | 4988733 NoDecaf
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What difference does it even matter at this point? The money masters want WW3 so let the missiles fly already, there's enough of us to hunt them down in the radioactive rubble.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:44 | 4988919 cougar_w
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It matters to the families, you dolt.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 14:09 | 4989058 Herd Redirectio...
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The funny thing is, the elites seem to want WWIII to be Peasants from USA vs Peasants from Russia.

I think we may instead get Peasants from USA and Russia vs elites from USA and Russia.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 17:57 | 4990312 NoDecaf
NoDecaf's picture're right. I'm such a dolt...and you know what? Your message moved me so much that I called the Fed Reserve of NY and left a message asking them to stop debasing the currency and to stop trying to control the resources of the world because this latest stunt crossed the line and it really really matters to you and the families.

I also asked them to pass my (our) message along to all the other fed branches and to Ol' Yeller herself and Ben, and to the BIS....all of them.

Because of you Cougar...and your message of hope...we are now back on the path of truthfulness and justice for all


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 13:18 | 4988748 kchrisc
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Liars and connivers going to reveal the truth. Yeah, right.

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