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Putin Speaks: Will Respond "Adequately" To Ongoing NATO Buildup; "Wont Tighten Screws" In Response To Threats
Perhaps there were some concerns that Putin, following the Russian Security Council Meeting today, may lash out at the west with escalating retaliatory sanctions against the west of his own. He did not which may explain why futures just saw an algo-driven buying wave moments ago. Still, what he did say is hardly justification to declare an "all clear" for risk as Putin being Putin, he merely reiterated for the nth time the Russian party line: Ukraine should facilitate a cease fire, Russia won't "blink" no matter how intense western sanctions are, and Russia will retaliate in kind to any ongoing NATO build up on its borders. Oh, and Crimea is now Russia's to do as it sees fit.
Full comments from Bloomberg, Reuters and RIA
- PUTIN: RUSSIA WON'T `TIGHTEN THE SCREWS' IN RESPONSE TO THREATS
- PUTIN SEES `DEFIANT' NATO BUILDUP IN EASTERN EUROPE
- PUTIN WANTS `ADEQUATE, PROPORTIONATE' RESPONSE TO BORDER THREAT
- PUTIN: RUSSIA TO BOOST DEFENSE CAPABILITY AFTER NATO BUILDUP
- PUTIN: SAYS SEES INCREASE IN USE OF LANGUAGE OF "ULTIMATUMS AND SANCTIONS" TOWARD RUSSIA, CALLS FOR MORE DIALOGUE
- PUTIN SEES EFFORTS TO WEAKEN, DESTABILIZE RUSSIA
- PUTIN SAYS GOVT IN KIEV TOOK POWER USING UNCONSTITUTIONAL MEANS
- PUTIN URGES UKRAINE GOVT TO AGREE TO TRUCE, `HOWEVER BRIEF'
- PUTIN: RUSSIA CREATING ANEW MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE IN CRIMEA
- PUTIN: U.S. MISSILE DEFENSE OFFENSIVE SYSTEM TARGETING RUSSIA
- PUTIN: RUSSIA NEEDS FURTHER SAFEGUARDS TO DEFEND ECONOMY
- PUTIN: RUSSIA TO USE CRIMEA AS IT BOOSTS DEFENSE CAPABILITY
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"Chess player" say hello to the "good cop/bad cop routine."
Sounds like a good time for Obama to go golfing.....maybe take up sniffin glue.
Pah. The CFR have been maneuvering this shit for decades, Ogolfer has nothing to do with it.
I'm pretty sure dats raciss.
Obama is our first black puppident and I think we should all be proud of the fact we elected a person of color for our masters to beat us with.
Putin has learned my mother's tactics. If she was yelling and screaming, you were ok. When she got quiet...oh shit!
maybe take up sniffin glue.
I thought it was purple drank?
Boris Alotovkrap, where are you?
It's that old, "Don't bother interfering while your enemy is self-destructing. Just stand back and watch the show." Something like that. From a very old book.
Or, "Give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves."
Or, "Just keep quiet and let them keep talking."
Unfortunately, you won't see any of it on our telescreens.
He will be leading from Martha's Vineyard in no time.
The pressure on US leaders is overwhelming, he don't mind chittin his pants when another hard liner cleans up his mess.
Old Russian proverb : Never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake.
So far, Putin has not managed to move 'americans' out of their routine moves. Routine moves they've proven to master. Where are they making a mistake as they follow their step by step procedure?
The "routine" moves are, like you said, predictable. That is always a problem when playing the game of thrones.
"The best move, is not to play"
This war is mainly economical, currency and informational war. So what are the mistakes? There are several: wrong tools against guys whom have the upper hand (almost in everything); pushing the allies against their own basic interests and this war is fought on long run. This means 3 things: 1st short therm goals must match with long therm goals; 2nd who have better concepts, plans and preparation is the winner and the 3rd this war is on at least 5 years and we are seeing the last moves.
MH17 Plunge Video Proves Western Powers Possess Critical Info: Why Not Reveal Data?
Like the case of missing MH370 flight, some will say that USSA needs to preserve its satellite surveillance capabilities thats why it needs to conceal the better proofs.
Assuming the crimes are on other's shoulders ...
CUI BONO... CUI BONO :-)
Surely Boris has some more proverbs which apply here...
Yes Boris does have another one or two. "Never eat anything bigger than your head" comes to mind:-)
That's actually Napoleon's
He should look for ways to house some displaced children out there. His kids could play on the beach with them. Many homes are empty all winter so the kiddies could stay on the island until next May. I am just thinking about the children, they do not all need to end up in Lynn (the city of sin), Ma.. Putting them up in empty malls in Ma. has also been proposed, I think idle vacation homes is much more humane.
Yeah wearing his Mom jeans and bicycle helmet. That image is priceless.
who does he caddy for ?
Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs, et al.
Complimentary ball washing available upon request.
Since you spat out the Tribe here...
for those who are new, read this fascinating kick-off:
(1) The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families
By DEAN HENDERSON
(Part One of a Five-part series)
The Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) own the Four Horsemen of Oil (Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch/Shell, BP and Chevron Texaco); in tandem with Deutsche Bank, BNP, Barclays and other European old money behemoths. But their monopoly over the global economy does not end at the edge of the oil patch.
According to company 10K filings to the SEC, the Four Horsemen of Banking are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation.[1]
So who then are the stockholders in these money center banks?
This information is guarded much more closely. My queries to bank regulatory agencies regarding stock ownership in the top 25 US bank holding companies were given Freedom of Information Act status, before being denied on “national security” grounds. This is rather ironic, since many of the bank’s stockholders reside in Europe.
One important repository for the wealth of the global oligarchy that owns these bank holding companies is US Trust Corporation - founded in 1853 and now owned by Bank of America. A recent US Trust Corporate Director and Honorary Trustee was Walter Rothschild. Other directors included Daniel Davison of JP Morgan Chase, Richard Tucker of Exxon Mobil, Daniel Roberts of Citigroup and Marshall Schwartz of Morgan Stanley. [2]
LEFT HOOK by Dean Henderson
NEW website: http://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/
I think he should go kiteboarding on a freeway
"Shot while resisting arrest!"
egg xactly. why even bother with a knee jerk response. Putin is not stupid. Unlike...
Hacked emails calling for false flag in Ukraine so U.S. can get involved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWfrfxerKp0
This Ukraine thing is funny stuff.
Yanukovych platform did not include..... not joining EU and joining Eurasia Union.
In reality, Yanukovych did the coup first before the counter coup later.
The idea that Yanukovych was democratically elected is propaganda.
Yes, he was, but he reneged on all his platform, hence his election become practically null and void.
Coup by Putin and Yanukovych; countercoup by USA and EU.
This is how world works.
Reneged on his platform? You mean like all the elected leaders in the free West?
DavidC
No objection there.
But Ukraine is the food source for the whole region, it's a food war
This is how world works.
The US wins the cold war.....then we become communists....that's how it works.
No doubt. USA is about 70% communist, EU is 90 communist
comrade
Just doing my best not to be a useful idiot.....cause they always get taken out first.
I've removed all the "Yes we can" bumper stickers off my car....hope it's going to be enough.
Nonsense. Just because you don't keep all your campaign promises, it does not mean you came to power in coup. Your entire premise is idotic. You are supposed to vote him out if you don't like what he does. It is clear that all the defenders of the new junta in Kiev have are idiotic lies.
That is not how it works in that part of the world.
Yanukovych practically stated a silent coup
Nonsense. Complete and idiotic nonsense. Yanukovych was elected. The leadership in Kiev now came to power in a violent coup. That is what happened. And that is how reality works.
In that case, every election in the history of elections was a coup.
People think democracy is about voters and platforms.
Not at all.
Democracy is about mobs, we call them lobbies and special interests.
Voting is just a facade. Lobbies rule behind closed doors
An election is not coup. Your premise is a completely retarded defense of the indefensible.
Coming to power and then changing the whole direction of a large state like Ukraine is a coup, a full blown coup.
No person has such power as to change a whole direction and go unpunished.
An election is not a coup. Sorry. You can't justify the real coup against a Constitutionally elected leader in Ukraine. You are just wrong.
So, you are saying that a coup is not possible after being elected?
One can be elected and then wipe out opposition and expropriate state assets.
That is a coup and Yanukovych tried to do that and succeeded partically until countercoup.
He sent Tymoshenko to jail and stole state assets with Putin.
That is a coup.
You state opinions and allegations as facts. The fact is he was elected and did not stage a coup to take power. If you don't like his policy, you use Constitutional means and elections to remove him.
Now that you have learned we use ballots instead of bullets, you will not be so quick to move away from elections. The coup in Ukrainie was a catastrophe that almost no one supports escept foreign powers. It is unfortunate you had to regress to the politics of an African warlord to solve simple policy issues. But you get what you pay for.
Are you the same ekm from a year ago on ZH? ekm had very interesting posts and insights, but this is just silly:
He sent Tymoshenko to jail
same
EKM1 had his personality somewhat altered when they programmed him into this chatbot version. The NSA hasn't perfected the process yet. But at least he can post quickly now and that's what counts the most.
Coup by Putin and Yanukovych; countercoup by USA and EU.
For arguements sake I will accept your premise EKM: After the Putin/Yanukovych coup civilians were left to live their lives, nobody was dying. Countercoup civilians are being targetted for bombing and rocket attacks along with civilian infastructure.
Something is very wrong!
Western part of Ukraine would have never ever ever ever ever ever ever accepted Eurasia Union memebership.
They are very anti russian.
War was inevitable. Ukraine was about to split in two.
And probably, a split would have been peaceful and the best solution.
splitting Ukraine in 2 sounds like a very good option right now. The fact the industrial and agricultural areas are found in the Russian leaning region and the European leaning region is not wouldn't have anything to do with the motives for the counter coup, which as I mentioned above has been violent and people are dying because of it.
War was not inevitable.
Well. Eventually all wars are about productive assets.
well. I think that you are trying to take unemotional and logical analysis of the situation. Better understand where you are coming from in your later posts in response to your original one.
Nazis gonna Nazi. The split of W Ukraine wasn't going to be peaceful either. The Nazis have animosity not on policy but for being beat by Russia.
Bank lobby staged a silent coup in USA, also. Coup is still in power.
No one elected bankers. Thank-you for accepting reality.
Yeah...but they did the responsible thing since TARP and fixed everything.
Soooooo we got that going for us.
A forced election (ie an ousted government just elected) is a coup when the choices given to the people..are that monster here and that monster there. Ask Hong Kong....they get to elect from a list a pre chosen candidates of China.
Sounds lilke our elections in the USA! Our choices are coffee or cafe... milk or leche...... Republicrat or Demrocan
Ekm
"This is how world works"
Yeah uh until it doesn't "work" anymore!
absolutely agree
The US had it good when they kept Yeltsin drunk and let their pet Oligarchs loot Russian natural resources. It was obvious the Russian State had to be rebuilt now the USA wants to destabilise it again so it can isolate China.
These are the stupid games that produced 1914-18 and started the long European Civil War - the greatest since the Thirty Years War. If Britain had not allied with either bloc prior to 1906 things would have been much better........now the US is virtually guaranteeing nuclear war in the next decade though not where people think........look to Pakistan and Israel as hotspots
It was obvious the Russian State had to be rebuilt now the USA wants to destabilise it again so it can isolate China.
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The Russian State? But 'americans' are not statist.
It's ironic that the US built China into a superpower by converting it into the West's sweatshop. The sad truth is that the US could have kept the world under its thumb indefinitely if it only played nice with the petrodollar. Money and the thirst for more power through intimidation trumped common sense.
War will come much sooner, the US can't prop the dollar up too much longer and is irrelevant without the fiat to fund its military.
Indefinitively? It does ring nice with oil.
The biggest twist in reality: the US could have kept the world under its thumb.
The US has the world under its thumb as the US never had.
It is not because some disgruntled middle classers no longer receive their share of the loot that the US grip on the world is not the strongest ever.
@ Sandmann,
your post makes great points
when one substitutes the meme of "nations" for "corporations"
that can be in-vested and di-vested over timelines,
by all those invisible string-pullers that the pub-licks don't really pay attention to or even acknowledge.
it's always about the power over, and the profits.
that's what corporations/nations are all about -
Legal-ised theft 'n' plunders.
I grew up believing the 'USSR evil, the West defenders of all that is good' meme and came to realise that what was messaged in the media was not what was real.
Now here we are again. I have no idea who downed the plane, but I do know that the Russian response appears to me to be the most moderate and 'reasonable', and it is the the West banging the war drums.
We should be careful what we wish for.
I don't know who downed the plane either.
But if you watch Channel 1, or still talk with people back in Russia, there are plenty of war drums on both sides of the Atlantic.
There are war drums because the governments involved, and to some extent the citizens, are more interested in learning who is toughest than in going about their daily lives.
It is dumb.
I can tell you who will win the war.
The worms.
I think we were (relatively speaking) the good guys until the banking mafia took over completely (1980s imo) and now we're (relatively speaking) the bad guys.
Nope now everyone is bad guys
On the playground there was always the punk bitch kid who tried to keep everyone afraid by having a loudmouth. Then there was the kid that was quiet but once he got pissed it was a goddamn whirlwind of beatdowns. The analogy is fitting.
it is the the West banging the war drums.
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When?
The only one that might want war at this stage is Putin. 'Americans' do not want war.
When you help to down a plane its reasonable to have a reasonable response. Putin does not control what goes on in Russia or Ukraine, in detail.
In Russia its quite common that things happen very differently from what has been planned. In fact, that happens in most cases as executive abilities are not developed.
After such mishap, reasonable is the best defence.
He has the looks of a man preparing to win world war 3 -- I know I know there won't be any winners in WWIII -- tell that to him not me
Wow, a voice of reason in complete contrast to that of the bloodthirsty orcs begging for more death and destruction.
Long geiger counters, concrete and KI.
putie is weak. he's got nothing. many here think he is a chess player. if he is he sucks at the game big time.
If that's the best you can do, you might want to consider hittin the road soon.
fuck you asshole [/terminator]
putin and his buddies are getting their asses kicked by the joo bankers and joo media. they love western currencies. they won't cut back on oil production even a smidge to drive prices up. why is that fuckwit? until i see oil at $200 putie is just a tin pot dictator who rules over a pathetic patch of cabbage communists. hell, they even buy their navy from france. BWA HA HA HA!!!
sure, they love West, all their kids are living in West countries:)))) but Putin and his "comrades" tell their crowd to hate West, they need these idiots. Putin plays his little game and he doesnt care, he has 40B dollars, but the poor russians that stay in line for Western visa will pay the price of his testosterone. OK, he got crimeea, now what? is it any better? no.
He is going to loose this one badly and poor russians will pay his bill. Stupidity comes with a price.
:))
Putin looks like a closet 'american'.
You seriously think they buy their navy from France because they couldn't do it themselves?
They did it to curry favor with France and drive a wedge between them and the Five Eyes gang, and to weaken NATO.
"Pooty" is pretty damn smart. You don't seem to understand or be capable of appreciating the logic of his moves.
Also, what kind of person seriously laughs like "BWA HA HA?"
I'll explain the end game for you negative rates and all you other dumbasses:
option 1) Nuclear war. result: Stalemate, nobody wins, everybody dies.
option 2) Puite cuts off oil and natty exports. result: the maggots (maybe even russian maggots) kill him and find someone else.
option 3) Putie kisses ass.
In none of these options does Putin win.
Never underestimate your enemy, buzz
i don't care about putin one way or the other. Neither do I care about the usa maggots. They deserve each other imo. The plain truth is that putin is weak. His love of money, paper money, makes him weak. The other billionaires in Russia also have this weakness in the extreme, which is personally dangerous for Putin. This is my objective opinion.
It is true that Pooty has the weaker hand in theory. However US power is built on sand because the banking mafia off-shored the US economy. So Pooty needs to hang tough and play for time while the US needs to hurry to provoke a war to scare the BRICs.
please, how does russia have the weaker hand? russia has natural resources, yes, they may do what SA has done in the past and raise prices, they may play that hand yet, but how does the US have the stronger hand? it's saddled with debt, lacks resources, its fracking is not the stellar answer many hoped it might be, US production is down, profits sit offshore and its burdened by being isreal's donkey. isreal will send the US burdened with explosives into the fray---putin may be a lover of luxury but russia has been quietly signing deals across the globe. russia's ducks appear to be in a well thought through row. XOM and BP appear to agree and have effectively side stepped the sanctions and are happily continuing to follow through on plans to work with rosneft. please, i am missing where the US is in control and has a great strong hand and a mastermind behind it?
Sorry for posting this second time but I thought that analysis I heard was important. The crux of it is this: NATO drilled on jamming radar and people on the ground saw jets flying around passenger planes, dropping bombs and then hiding behind the plane.
Here, especially if readers know German, could you look through this doc and listen the show:
http://adam.curry.com/enc/20140720012844_1801925hunkolinke.pdf
https://www.noagendaplayer.com/listen/636/1-6-55
"Hiding behind the plane' is a bit much if interpreted directly.
But I expect that the implication - that Ukrainian military jets were using commercial air routes as camoflaged ingress and egress routes from targets is almost certainly accurate.
It's not what hosts in the show said. This is what boots on the ground saw, i.e. locals. :}
Bummer. Will this cause us to go to ginger.io? ;-)
holy ****
Another lie revealed. On Friday, the civil aviation ministry issued a statement that "there was no Air India flight near the ill-fated Malaysian plane at the time of the incident".
Now the pilots of Air India which were only 90 seconds away when MH17 went down made a clear statement that they had been close to MH17 and that they were able to listen to the voice trafic!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds...
And even more intersting, what the pilots confirm being said is absolutely inline with the twitter statements of the Spanish Flightcontroler.
So it becomes more and more ugly for Kiew and its alliance.
OMG!! 90 seconds away from MH17..... does that mean the Ukraine plan was to shoot down both commericial airliners.... do those guys realise it could have been them, or both of them!!
and the voice traffic was to take out the kink in the flight plan and fly direct.....so if Air India pilots heard that why can't the world hear the ATC tapes ?
Odd it is Air Malaysia and a 777 just like the Air Mayla 777 that disappeared a few months ago. The 777 had one of the best safety records too. Yeah this is all normal. NWO-Kiev scum oligarches-OBama-USA totally is behind this "shoot down."
It sounds like the AI flight was on the same flight path as the Malaysian one. Or at least close enough to talk with the controllers covering that part of Ukraine.
Wonder how many other airlines have been flying that route?
In the meantime, re Flight 17...
The UN Security Council has condemned the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine and called for an international probe into the incident in a unanimously adopted resolution.
All 15-member states voted to pass the Australia-proposed resolution, condemning “in the strongest terms” the crash of Malaysian plane on July 17 in Donetsk region of Ukraine, which resulted in 298 people dead.
Russia's UN Ambassador was pleased with the vote. It is clear that they are not worried, but are licking their chops at the prospect of the bungling Kiev regime taking the fall for blood on their hands. Oh, Obummer, you "moved too soon" and in an un-presidential manner, in your criticism of who done it.
Interesting that the geopolitical crisis pattern continues. Tuesday morning, the problem is resolved, and the markets go nuts.....but they never pulled back that much in the first place. the bulk of the "Crisis" get hashed out over the weekend, while the markets are closed. This is actually one reason that we've had so many positive Tuedays.
Obama sounds like a man keen for war. His masters pushing him along hard but nothing is working properly, even dowing an airliner to demonise Russia, as now looks like is the case.
Will Obama be the man that leads the US into oblivion for the sake of corporate masters?
Love how the US is in Europe trying to get them to cut of their noses and arms just to satisfies the US geopolitical games.
Every president is keen for war, it's the heart of our economy and the MIC insists upon it.
Putin will do what is best for Putin...and Russia....he wants to rebuild it back up...and he thinks he can with Obama in charge..and he is right..Obama is weak..so he will take advantage of that..
The last days…
Gaza: Al-Kidra said the Palestinian death toll from the two-week offensive stood at 508 as of Monday morning…
Syria: More than 700 killed in Syria as ISIS tightens grip on east
Libya: Islamist-led militiamen have stepped up their assault on Libya's main airport, controlled by rival fighters, which the health ministry said Monday had left at least 47 dead in a week.
Nigeria: Boko Haram extremists have killed more than 100 people and hoisted their black and white flag over a north-eastern town left undefended by Nigeria's military, according to a civil defence spokesman and a human rights advocate.
Sudan: At least 150 people have been killed and 100 others injured in clashes between two groups belonging to Mesiria tribe in al-Dibaib area in Sudan's West Kordofan state, the Sudanese Media Centre (SMC) reported Thursday. Milions to starve as Sudan sits on an oil reserve estimated at 10 Billion Barrels.
Iraq: Iraq forces 'killed 255 Sunni prisoners'. More than 5500 civilians killed this year.
Ukraine: At least 356 people, including 257 civilians, have died since the beginning of the “anti-terrorist” operation in Ukraine’s eastern regions of Lugansk and Donetsk, according to UN calculations. There were 14 children among the dead.
110.000 have fled to Russia, displaced.
Afghanistan: 1,564 civilians were killed from January through June.
And so on.
Then there are the deaths of flight MH17.
Nightmarish World War II memories linger in Moscow, Ukrainian neo-fascists were among those who seized control in the new government in Kiev yet the U.S. rushed to give its blessing to what the Kremlin later described as a "coup d'etat". Sergei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, reflected these worries when he voiced "most serious concern" over Ukraine in phone calls to the French, German and Polish foreign ministers. The EU, knowing this was what Washington wanted did nothing.
Regardless of who shot down the plane the Russians are furious at what they see happening in Ukraine. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
Obama / Brennan have created ALL the chaos taking place throughout the middle east and ukraine. Obama has announced military cuts concurrently and given pink slips to combat soldiers in afghanistan. PUTIN sees weakness as does China and N. Korea and Iran. Hence nuke talks delayed 4 more months. Kerry is a laughing stock and the stae department is like a college sorority tweeting bullshit and further reducing credibility. EU knows they will freeze their asses off this winter unless they tread gently. Obama knows EU wont act and so puts the ball in their court.
As the #1 world power inaction is consent. What is taking place is exactly what Obama/Brennan want. they squandered military sacrifice both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Brennan gavce it all away. No SOF agreement and Maliki persecuted the opposition with not a peep from the ussa. This made it ripe for iran or isis or al queda to move in.
Putin sees that after all the sacrifice we squandered it will be IMPOSSIBLE for Obama/Brennan to react militarily, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP HIM.. Because of dopmestic policy it will be 5 years min to get LNG exports of any significance to the EU to counter Putin. Obama's grand scheme is to divide the ussa and take it down. Biden in a closed door fundraiser said"THESE ILLEGALS ARE THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"... meaning look forward to AMNESTY and massive voter registration right before the coming election... END OF GAME...
Actually, if you are not in the USSA right now, I would not go back if you have an alternative.
If you can, leave.
The military drawdown is intended to prevent the USA from a legitimate defense if needed.
You have a full-scale invasion on the US border, a rapidly dwindling military, a rapidy growing SS which, as in NAZI Germany, will overtake the US Armed Forces, and a for-real, actual, Dictator in control.
Looks like the US is actually Totally Fucked, but it will take a while yet for more people to see it.
Of course, by then, well, "Work Makes You Free."
You think the Dictator will chance it against armed US citizens? Of course not. He will explode nukes and unleash biological warfare within CONUS. I dare say he has already begun the Biowar from Mexico.
Good Luck.
They'll force us to partake of the opiate of the masses. Booze
Why have a military when the borders are wide open? A total joke. If I had a kid who wanted to join the military - I would tell them that they are a moron. Go die for the banksters and be a martyr for nothing.
En route to my child's camp we listen to Elvis in the Morning- it's my wife's thing- and they decide to report on geopolitics with the MH17 thing. They literally say that Europe planned to turn off gas SENT to Russia with noncompliance. I thought Russia sent them gas!?!? Oh the first volleys of war are propaganda and it is thick.
The rebels shot down an Antonov transport plane at 6000m on the 14th July. How many civilian air liners have overflown the Donbass region - rather than Ukraine as a whole - since the 14th (if any) and did MH17 choose that route or was it diverted over that region?
If you think that the US government is elected without fraud, concerned with the welfare of its citizens, and is simply reacting to events it had no part in creating, I have news for you:
YOU ARE WRONG.
If you think that the Russian Government is elected without fraud, concerned with the welfare of its citizens, and is simply reacting to events it had no part in creating I have new for you:
YOU ARE WRONG.
Both of these governments spend their effort expressing sympathy for their respective 'common man'.
HERE IS THE NEWS:
They care about you in the same way a rancher cares about his herd. You are their (replaceable) source of income. They care about you not as a person, but as livestock. At the end of the day, the best you can expect from them is a fleecing, and the worst is a trip to the meat-packing plant or the glue factory.
They do no think you are human in the same way that they are.
We are the means of production. Under each political screed, th means of production are owned by those who have the wherewith all to do so.
Serf's up!
Truth, gcjohns1977.
all corporations are created to maximise profits via manipulating assets.
their herds are assets, until they are liabilities.
the balance has been tipped,
think, and act, accordingly.
Putin, I suspect, has aces and for that matter, more than 4 of them.
The USA and its poodles in Europe need to understand that they can push Russia only so far before the confrontation goes to a whole new level that will make the world look over the precipice.
Games of chicken are dangerous and there are no prizes for who is playing that game.
If you want to be really clear on how much the U.S. lies, there is a very good video on YouTube posted in 2013 about 9/11 called, September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor. It's the best 9/11 documentary I've ever seen. It may take you several viewings because it's 4 1/2 hours long. Don't ridicule the "truthers" (or "deniers") until you have watched this.
Link
September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk
Oh Putin is suddenly the new hero here.
Head of mafia contolled state Nothing new or better then elsewhere. Even more primitive , as its resourse based rule over masses, no subtleties of monetary expansion or democratic cover.
There is nothing in Russia that you would be happy to see in your countries ( oh, may be oil/gas deposits, sure).
And since Soviet times, no one has ever been trained better then Russians in propaganda and outright lies. No one. USG lies more subtly, but Russia lies sooo incredibly that those who had never lived in Soviet Union or Eastern Europe can not decipher them.
Russian lies are extreme version.
The russian lies look like bad versions of 'american' lies. Which are known for their subtlety.
Nothing is easier than lying when people want to believe.
'Americans' want to believe and it takes an 'american' to tell that the Russians lies can not be deciphered.
all lies become truths
in the minds of believers.
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Funny because this guy's comment reflects the American lies and propaganda which mesmerize him to this very day. He'll never break free of them, because he finds them comforting.
just waiting for Putin to say, "You guys win. Russia is sanctioning itself and will withdraw from the western banking system completely. We will sell any remaining treasuries tomorrow. All of the countries we export oil to, if you'd pay us in Gold, that'd be great. Taking the barbarous relic will really teach us a lesson. We're sorry for any trouble we caused. "
exactly ..
I cannot understand why It has not been done that way already and hopefully someone will be along soon to explain why the delay .
I just wonder if the announcement will have any hashtags.
PUTIN WANTS `ADEQUATE, PROPORTIONATE' RESPONSE TO BORDER THREAT
_________________________________________________
Hamas, Hezbollah want also an adequate, proportionate response to their border threat. Fact is they've been failing in matching their answer to the proposition of their neighbour.
Isn't the internet great! Unlike in the past...we can now watch these bankers wars develope in real time.
like ESPN for globalists.
Excellent article by Mish today:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/holier-than-thou-why-...
I suggest at some point during his rain of chemical weapons, nukes, germs, and what not, somebody will actually put an end to the Dicktaster.
Of course, the USA will be a wasteland and ripe for conquest, but I do think at some point in the coming genocide, Bath House and his Krewe will get theirs.
Too bad anyone who counts will be dead by then.
everything is upside down init.
that is the saturn way A
the way of the satanic blood letting jewish tribe.
who bring hell too earth.
i dontes nose about hitler anymores
i nose what histry channel and der bbc told me happened what der evil nazis did
but eyes listen to der bbc nows and all eye here is lies,misdirection complete and utter bollox
and lots of tavistock nlp.
so if all der news is kosher bullshit now
why not then.
i dontes nose about der kgb or der fsb.
buts der cia,mi5 and 6 rape kids and ship kids around the world.
the mossad run the blackmail show rothshilds chatham house royal institute,cfr and brookings write the bad scripts.
the glue that keeps dis shit together is satanism and child abuse.
a kosher blood cult harvesting the juice and the energy of life.
No proof that Russia did anything yet the corrupt US lackeys try for a 3rd time to instigate a war!
It still worries me that the intention of Ukraine may have been not to shoot down one but two airliners. These guys were lucky they were not added to the list.
The primary difference between Russia and the US is that one has adult leadership.
Show no cards until you are ready to play.
Then play to win, because there are no trophies for 2nd place in the real world.
Official German government sources reveal [1] that there were radar/transponder issues over various EU countries.
There is further evidence (per the Times of India article [2]) that flight MH17 was diverted by Kiev controllers into a "direct routing" path that avoids the zig-zags and takes it over a risky region. When MH17 failed to respond to controllers, the nearby AI flight (25 km or 90 seconds away) was asked to speak to (or listen in on) the the MH17 pilots.
There is also further evidence (per Russian Defence Ministry information) that Ukrainian Air Force fighter jets went to check it out. It is logical and reasonable to think that they then "shadowed" the MH17 flight for a while. Whether they shot it down, after being unable to contact the pilots, or whether SAMs were used, is TBD.
Any way you slice it, it's a messy affair, and our "leaders" are not providing responsible or measured leadership with their zealous beating of war drums.
It does indeed look, feel and smell just like another "FDR setup" or "911 setup" [3] to force the opposition into a Sucker Punch, to artificially create the public (US, EU) outrage and justification for a major conflict/war. A conflict/war, that would save the USD from its demise as the GRC.
While the public's attention is momentarily distracted by these tragic events, ISIS is still on a roll, as are the IDF in Gaza. Where's the US/NATO "outrage" there?
[1] http://adam.curry.com/enc/20140720012844_1801925hunkolinke.pdf
Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:17 | 4987196 FrustratedLogician
[2] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds...
Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:18 | 4987197 Truly Inspiration
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk
Tue, 07/22/2014 - 08:54 | 4987336 samsara
It was always most likely the rebels shot it down. It was always most likely Russia helped get SAMs to the rebels one way or another. The question has always been **why** did the rebels think it was a military plane. This explains it.
https://www.noagendaplayer.com/listen/636/1-6-55
The bad guys spoofed the IIF transponder.
I wouldn't be surprised if the American CIA had some involvement.
What if MH17 had been filled with central bankers. Everyone would be competing for credit.
USA & its European Poodles need nuclear annihilation now.
They have become the most evil.