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The Stealing Of America By The Cops, The Courts, The Corporations And Congress

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Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

“What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy

Call it what you will—taxes, penalties, fees, fines, regulations, tariffs, tickets, permits, surcharges, tolls, asset forfeitures, foreclosures, etc.—but the only word that truly describes the constant bilking of the American taxpayer by the government and its corporate partners is theft.

We’re operating in a topsy-turvy Sherwood Forest where instead of Robin Hood and his merry band of thieves stealing from the rich to feed the poor, you’ve got the government and its merry band of corporate thieves stealing from the poor to fatten the wallets of the rich. In this way, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. All the while, the American Dream of peace, prosperity, and liberty has turned into a nightmare of endless wars, debilitating debt, and outright tyranny.

What Americans don’t seem to comprehend is that if the government can arbitrarily take away your property, without your having much say about it, you have no true rights. You’re nothing more than a serf or a slave.

In this way, the police state with all of its trappings—from surveillance cameras, militarized police, SWAT team raids, truancy and zero tolerance policies, asset forfeiture laws, privatized prisons and red light cameras to Sting Ray guns, fusion centers, drones, black boxes, hollow-point bullets, detention centers, speed traps and abundance of laws criminalizing otherwise legitimate conduct—is little more than a front for a high-dollar covert operation aimed at laundering as much money as possible through government agencies and into the bank accounts of corporations.

The rationalizations for the American police state are many. There’s the so-called threat of terrorism, the ongoing Drug War, the influx of illegal immigrants, the threat of civil unrest in the face of economic collapse, etc. However, these rationalizations are merely excuses for the growth of a government behemoth, one which works hand in hand with corporations to profit from a society kept under lockdown and in fear at all times.

Indeed, as I point out in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, the real motivating factor behind erecting a police state is not to protect the people, but to further enrich the powerful. Consider the following costly line items, all part of the government’s so-called quest to keep us safe and fight terrorism while entrenching the police state, enriching the elite, and further shredding our constitutional rights:

$4.2 billion for militarized police. Almost 13,000 agencies in all 50 states and four U.S. territories participate in a military “recycling” program which allows the Defense Department to transfer surplus military hardware to local and state police. In 2012 alone, $546 million worth of military equipment was distributed to law enforcement agencies throughout the country.


$34 billion for police departments to add to their arsenals of weapons and equipment. Since President Obama took office, police departments across the country “have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft.” While police departments like to frame the acquisition of military surplus as a money-saving method, in a twisted sort of double jeopardy, the taxpayer ends up footing a bigger bill. First, taxpayers are forced to pay millions of dollars for equipment which the Defense Department purchases from megacorporations only to abandon after a few years. Then taxpayers find themselves footing the bill to maintain the costly equipment once it has been acquired by the local police.


$6 billion in assets seized by the federal government in one year alone. Relying on the topsy-turvy legal theory that one’s property can not only be guilty of a crime but is also guilty until proven innocent, government agencies have eagerly cashed in on the civil asset forfeiture revenue scheme, which allows police to seize private property they “suspect” may be connected to criminal activity. Then whether or not any crime is actually proven to have taken place, the cops keeps the citizen’s property. Eighty percent of these asset forfeiture cases result in no charge against the property owner. Some states are actually considering expanding the use of asset forfeiture laws to include petty misdemeanors. This would mean that property could be seized in cases of minor crimes such as harassment, possession of small amounts of marijuana, and trespassing in a public park after dark.


$11,000 per hour for a SWAT team raid on a government dissident. The raid was carried out against Terry Porter, a Maryland resident who runs a welding business, is married with three kids, is outspoken about his views of the government, and has been labeled a prepper because he has an underground bunker and food supplies in case things turn apocalyptic. The raiding team included “150 Maryland State Police, FBI, State Fire Marshal’s bomb squad and County SWAT teams, complete with two police helicopters, two Bearcat ‘special response’ vehicles, mobile command posts, snipers, police dogs, bomb disposal truck, bomb sniffing robots and a huge excavator. They even brought in food trucks.”


$3.8 billion requested by the Obama administration to send more immigration judges to the southern border, build additional detention camps and add border patrol agents. Border Patrol agents are already allowed to search people’s homes, intimately probe their bodies, and rifle through their belongings, all without a warrant. As one journalist put it, “The surveillance apparatus is in your face. The high-powered cameras are pointed at you; the drones are above you; you’re stopped regularly at checkpoints and interrogated.” For example, an American citizen entering the U.S. from Mexico was subjected to a full-body cavity search in which she was subjected to a variety of invasive procedures, including an observed bowel movement and a CT scan, all because a drug dog jumped on her when she was going through border security. Physicians found no drugs hidden in her body.


$61 billion for the Department of Homeland Security, one of the most notoriously bloated government agencies ever created. The third largest federal agency behind the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Defense, the DHS—with its 240,000 full-time workers and sub-agencies—has been aptly dubbed a “runaway train.”


$80 billion spent on incarceration by the states and the federal government in 2010. While providing security, housing, food, medical care, etc., for six million Americans is a hardship for cash-strapped states, it’s a gold mine to profit-hungry corporations such as Corrections Corp of America and GEO Group, the leaders in the partnership corrections industry. Thus, with an eye toward increasing its bottom line, CCA has floated a proposal to prison officials in 48 states offering to buy and manage public prisons at a substantial cost savings to the states. In exchange, the prisons would have to contain at least 1,000 beds and states would have to maintain a 90% occupancy rate for at least 20 years. This has led to the phenomenon of overcriminalization of everyday activities, in which mundane activities such as growing vegetables in your yard or collecting rainwater on your property are criminalized, resulting in jail sentences for individuals who might otherwise have never seen the inside of a jail cell.


$6.4 billion a year for the Bureau of Prisons and $30,000 a year to house an inmate. There are over 3,000 people in America serving life sentences for non-violent crimes. These include theft of a jacket, siphoning gasoline from a truck, stealing tools, and attempting to cash a stolen check. Most of the non-violent offenses which triggered life sentences were drug crimes involving trace amounts of heroin and cocaine. One person imprisoned for life was merely a go-between for an undercover officer buying ten dollars’ worth of marijuana. California has more money devoted to its prison system than its system of education. State spending on incarceration is the fastest growing budget item besides Medicaid.


93 cents an hour for forced, prison labor in service to for-profit corporations such as Starbucks, Microsoft, Walmart, and Victoria’s Secret. What this forced labor scheme has created, indirectly or not, is a financial incentive for both the corporations and government agencies to keep the prisons full to capacity. A good portion of the 2 million prisoners in public facilities are forced to work for corporations, making products on the cheap, undermining free laborers, and increasing the bottom line for many of America’s most popular brands. “Prison labor reportedly produces 100 percent of military helmets, shirts, pants, tents, bags, canteens, and a variety of other equipment. Prison labor makes circuit boards for IBM, Texas Instruments, and Dell. Many McDonald's uniforms are sewn by inmates. Other corporations—Microsoft, Victoria's Secret, Boeing, Motorola, Compaq, Revlon, and Kmart—also benefit from prison labor.”


$2.6 million pocketed by Pennsylvania judges who were paid to jail youths and send them to private prison facilities. The judges, paid off by the Mid Atlantic Youth Service Corporation, which specializes in private prisons for juvenile offenders, had more than 5,000 kids come through their courtrooms and sent many of them to prison for petty crimes such as stealing DVDs from Wal-Mart and trespassing in vacant buildings.


$1.4 billion per year reportedly lost to truancy by California school districts, which receive government funding based on student attendance. The so-called “solution” to student absences from school has proven to be a financial windfall for cash-strapped schools, enabling them to rake in millions, fine parents up to $500 for each unexcused absence, with the potential for jail time, and has given rise to a whole new track in the criminal justice system devoted to creating new revenue streams for communities. For example, Eileen DiNino, a woman serving a two-day jail sentence for her children’s truancy violations, died while in custody. She is one of hundreds of people jailed in Pennsylvania over their inability to pay fines related to truancy, which include a variety of arbitrary fees meant to rack up money for the courts. For example, “[DiNino’s] bill included a laundry list of routine fees: $8 for a “judicial computer project”; $60 for Berks constables; $40 for “summary costs” for several court offices; and $10 for postage.” So even if one is charged with a $20 fine, they may end up finding themselves on the hook for $150 in court fees.


$84.9 million collected in one year by the District of Columbia as a result of tickets issued by speeding and traffic light cameras stationed around the city. Multiply that income hundreds of times over to account for the growing number of localities latching onto these revenue-generating, photo-enforced camera schemes, and you’ll understand why community governments and police agencies are lining up in droves to install them, despite reports of wide scale corruption by the companies operating the cameras. Although nine states have banned the cameras, they’re in 24 states already and rising.


$1.4 billion for fusion centers. These fusion centers, which represent the combined surveillance and intelligence efforts of federal, state and local law enforcement, have proven to be exercises in incompetence, often producing irrelevant, useless or inappropriate intelligence, while spending millions of dollars on “flat-screen televisions, sport utility vehicles, hidden cameras and other gadgets.”

In sum, the American police state is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle, meant to keep the property and the resources of the American people flowing into corrupt government agencies and their corporate partners. For those with any accounting ability, it’s clear that the total sum of the expenses being charged to the American taxpayer’s account by the government add up to only one thing: the loss of our freedoms. It’s time to seriously consider a plan to begin de-funding this beast and keeping our resources where they belong: in our communities, working for us.


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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:15 | 4991141 Golden Showers
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Have it your way!

You asked for it, now you got it.

We can all enjoy one or two in the back of the head. Thank you, Stalin. Thank you Obama.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:19 | 4991152 Divided States ...
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Thats why everyone should have the right to have their own firearm and take out their own trash when necessary.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:46 | 4991267 QEternity
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Real men vote with bullets

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:21 | 4991377 logicalman
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The most important vote you have is your 'wallet' - you can vote every day and it always gets counted.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:26 | 4991395 Caviar Emptor
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Imagine there's no govmint
It's easy if you try

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:36 | 4991426 0b1knob
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And what about all the money they have spent keeping Jon Corzine in jail?   Oh wait....

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:46 | 4991457 wee-weed up
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Jackboots will continue on necks....

Until morale improves!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:57 | 4991497 boogerbently
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USA is #1 !!!!

I bet our cops are as corrupt as any on the planet.

WHOOooooo !

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:15 | 4991550 markmotive
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Corruption at All Levels: Victim Criminalization in Action

This is SICKENING to watch.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:59 | 4991641 Chuck Walla
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“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

? Eric Hoffer


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 00:18 | 4991674 Anusocracy
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The problem is that 99% of the people believe that they know the best way to run the lives of 7+ billion others, when in fact they are too incompetent to even run their own lives.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 04:33 | 4991907 Skateboarder
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If you can describe the 'human condition' in one sentence, I would pick this one. Accurate in its entirety.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 04:37 | 4991910 0z
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"government and its merry band of corporate thieves stealing from the poor to fatten the wallets of the rich"

BULLSHIT! They dont give a fuck about the rich! They take the money, for THEMSELVES! AHAHAH FOOLS!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:42 | 4992488 tonyw
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when you call the cops

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:04 | 4991950 NoPension
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1% believe they know how to run the lives of the other 99.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:34 | 4992227 BLOTTO
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The 0.001% *think* its their divine right to rule over us...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 12:22 | 4993429 Anusocracy
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True, but most everyone would love to be the Benevolent Dictator of the World.

That way they could fix the world to suit their own desires - just like the elites actually do.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:59 | 4991643 BuddyEffed
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The corrupt Pennsylvania courts that committed crimes against children can't hold a candle to the crimes against children in the King County Family Courts.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:18 | 4992044 shutupnsing
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That's "gubmint" CE!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:53 | 4991488 freedogger
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Yes and my wallet is sadly voting to no longer vacation in the USA. Why would I take a chance subjecting my family to any of that?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 01:15 | 4991740 _disengage_
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Don't just skip the American vacation, don't buy any American "products" at all.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:20 | 4991791 Grumbleduke
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what american products? Hope, change, slaughter?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:53 | 4992099 Milton Freewater
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I don't think vacationing in Aruba is exactly what he's talking about.  Try not paying taxes! That's what makes the beast lose it's boner!


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 13:17 | 4993783 PrintemDano
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The government doesn't need our tax money.  They just print what they need anyway.  Taxes are used as a way to keep the Serfs working so much that they have no time to pick up their pitchforks. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 01:37 | 4991756 umdesch4
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Too late. The government already took all the money in my wallet at gunpoint. I guess that means I have no votes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:59 | 4992569 ejmoosa
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What is in your wallet is THEIR currency.

Haven't you figured out yet that they can print more votes any time they do not like what you do with yours?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:27 | 4991189 JLee2027
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I claim the game of stealing is only effective until the other guy knows what you're doing. Then, gradually, the stealing is shut down, as some of the people choose to no longer tolerate it. This leaves the Government with two options...steal openly and risk civil war or obey the people and stop stealing. A true hobson's choice is the result.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:01 | 4991310 Offthebeach
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Why steal when it's so easy to trick?
Just say it, whatever, will be free.

Sheeple will come running.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:48 | 4991472 wee-weed up
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Yep, it became so easy once the Leftists took over Public Education.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:30 | 4991586 Escrava Isaura
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wee-weed up ... "so easy once the Leftists took over Public Education."

How so?

And where did the Rightist take over?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 00:35 | 4991700 Elvis the Pelvis
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Lloyd Blankfein stole my lollipop.  Bastard.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:21 | 4991570 CognacAndMencken
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You're misusing the expression "Hobson's Choice." A scenario described as a Hobson's choice is a "take it, or leave it" option, whereby the person making the choice really has no choice at all.

The government freely chooses to tax, and any resistance by society is debated and voted upon. Neither society nor the government is given a "take it, or leave it" choice. That expression makes no sense in your context. What you've described is actually a "false dilemma," because you assume there are no other alternatives to eventual civil war..... which is idiotic.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 00:40 | 4991710 JLee2027
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Thanks for the help.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:12 | 4996332 TeethVillage88s
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Philosophy, much appreciated here on ZH.

I wasn't aware of Hobson's Choice or the False Dilemma or the Tridelemma.

Anyway Posit of A) Steal Openly by the Government OR B) Become an Honest Government... is clearly way too Narrow for Reality. Government Fixes to Crisis usually involve C. some small adjustment to address a narrow narrative of the problem.

Like WWI: maybe the Great Patriotic War for USA was about those horrible Huns.

Like WWII: maybe the War to End all Wars for USA was about some propaganda that now escapes me.

Certainly their are Unlimited Options to Civil War as you point out. It feels real hard at this point. Money and Organization seems to have all the power against Grass Roots Activism OR any kind of "People Power".

-Activist Journalism & Free Internet provide Networking opportunities that are Great
-Move To Amend Movement is a good Sign
-Patriotic Movements are Great
-Militias are Touchy, but thought provoking and Educational
-Tea Party points us back to Proper Accounting I think and toward Standardization of Accounting and Financial Instruments
-Anti Drug Law & Prison Activists Point to the Value of Man, the value of Self Determination, the Value of Self Actualization, and to the value of personal freedom and sovereignty

I think there is a lot of good philosophy going in the USA now, but compared to France in 1920 or compared to the Greek Philosophy movement and education of it's prime time, the USA is still just an Infant. I am just an Infant in these terms.

But thanks for your insight here.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:45 | 4991612 Kirk2NCC1701
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I politely beg to differ.  People know what's going on -- either overtly or intuitively -- yet are unable and to scared to do much about it.

Part of the problem is "us":  We've become a nation of people who are angry, scared and too still too comfortable to even be out marching -- much less taking to barricades or refusing to pay taxes.  We're not using our guns, and we're using blog sites as safety valves to blow off steam - when we should be organizing and marching, like in the 1960s.

As much as it pains me, I fear that things will (have to) get much worse before we get real change.  It's the way of the world, if you look at history and human nature.  And TPTB know this and are acting accordingly, while they can.

Even in our own household we are divided on this:  although I'm trying to live like it's the 1930s, my wife (10 years younger and "Mrs modern shopper") is desperately trying and pretending that it's still a 1980-2005 world that she loved so much.  She cares naught for "all this doom & gloom stuff" from me or ZH.  My hope is to educate and inoculate the kids, where I'm having partial success, and only with the oldest one.  Perhaps I really should cancel that fancy/expensive satellite subscription and opt for Basic coverage, Netflix and Hulu.  If that.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 00:44 | 4991713 Frankie Carbone
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By the sounds of it, if you cancel cable then you risk having your wife ask for a divorce. 

TEE-VEE is the number one tool of mind control. 

#2. Peer pressure from her friends, who....... get all their thoughts from TEE-VEE!

Keep the cable, it's cheaper than a divorce. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 01:38 | 4991757 _disengage_
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If people can't give up even some of the "middle-class" life: netflix/TV, going out to eat, shopping for the sake of shopping, new cars, vacations, etc... how can we expect even the most basic change? (The other day my neighbor told me: "My wants ARE my needs")

It makes me sad to hear so many people talking about crap like revolution before even trying to use economic tactics to get what we want. Maybe (probably?) it will come down to violence, but we are kidding ourselves if we jump straight to it without exhausting non-violent tactics first.

We, theoretically, tried voting for years. Does anyone really think Feinstein can really keep winning? It almost has to be rigged.

We tried protests via OWS/Teaparty, both of which had valid concerns, but were spun by the media.

I'd like to say that we should not organize. When your organize you give the media a target to slander. You give the Police/FBI targets to detain. You show a big group of people failing which is demoralizing. Instead we could look to individual actions that go in a general direction without having some kind of leader or specific goal. Distributed resistance?

Next we need individual economic sanctions against the USA. General boycott of non-essentials and force "their" hand. Consumer spending is the last thread in the already thin curtain.

Ideally the economy actually starts bucking and no one can ignore it. We reach critical mass and ???

Lastly, we roll em.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:09 | 4992026 Moe Howard
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We must each find freedom in this unfree land on our own. If we "organize" we create a target for the government gang.


Read this when you get a chance.

By the late and great Harry Browne:

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:35 | 4992767 StandardDeviant
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A big +1 for linking to "How I Found Freedom...".

This was one of the first books I ever read on the subject of politics, while still a teenager, and it made a huge impression.  When I got around to reading Ayn Rand a bit later, I thought she was really a bit on the statist side, as she still saw a role for even a very limited government!

Browne described what we now call "virtual corporations", which have no (or very few) employees and simply contract for the services they need -- back in 1973.  Also, his descriptions of various thinking "traps" were brilliant; the "Previous Investment Trap" is one everybody should read and re-read.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:27 | 4991796 chumbawamba
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Marching?  Marching to where?  The land of irrelevant protests?  What did the 1960s bring?  More socialist programs that replaced the Republic with the democracy.

You're going to have to think harder.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:12 | 4991952 NoPension
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Hey Kirk, you too?

After trying to educate my wife, I just decided the "humanitarian" thing to do was to let her live, in blissfull ignorance. She kinda gets it, because money is tighter. I work for myself, and have for 25 years. My daily hustle would not be a good fit as an employee. But her answer is to "go get a job". Now that's funny shit on about 5 levels.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:05 | 4992022 Escrava Isaura
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new Kirk2NCC1701,

Well said! And you just exposed why solutions/preparations/changes are hard to implement.

Please check the link below. You [most here, if not all] will appreciate. It is a comment by Ezrydermike:

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:19 | 4995101 are we there yet
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The purpose of congress is to be an efficient place to sell power and corruption. How do you protest that? Maby a periodic polygraph on undisclosed financial contributions. Imagine what you would have to do to turn Barney Frank or Nancy Pilosi, and friends into an honest and wise politician. What are the chances of stopping lobbyists from creativly corrupting, or the chance of stopping the banks and financials from buying lobbyists. None.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:21 | 5002838 Rusty Loads
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"...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies..."

Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:36 | 4991223 astroloungers
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There is nothing to argue about. All of the above is true. It seems at some point half will be in service enforcing the will of the government. Those "in service" don't seem to be aware that the monster they serve eats it own.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:54 | 4991284 Mr Pink
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:23 | 4991382 logicalman
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Wel know in who's name of.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:09 | 4991532 toady
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Is there no standard anymore?
What it takes, who I am, where I've been, belong
You can't be something you're not
Be yourself by yourself, stay away from me.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:35 | 4991865 Welder
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Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:41 | 4991990 NoPension
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I build.

You folks that haven't had the pleasure would never believe what the process has become.
First is the approval process. If your zoned correctly, that's helps (ha!) We had one project, 2.5 years to go through the approval process. As we finally cleared the last conjured hurdle, the clients called " no mas" and pulled the plug. At a cost of $400,000 down the tubes, and 1.5 years of work for 20 men.
Like living piñatas, we're doing it again, on a 16 million dollar project.

Once you do get a permit, these mother fuckers come out of the woodwork. State and local EPA, storm water, building inspectors, public works inspectors( one each for roads,sewer ,water,landscape,building asthetics,sidewalks,.....)
The Fire Marshall. Ah,...the Fire Marshall. A special breed unto themselves. I could write a book. Suffice it to say, they hold a special place in my heart. SHTF, these MF's best lay low.

We did a job, 2 years ago. $5 mil. During construction, never had a " write up" . Owner occupies the building, and receives a letter from the state Dept of Enviroment. It's a fine for $140,000 , for putting sediment in the adjacent waterway. Again, multiple inspections during 14 month construction, never gigged. Turns out, there was a disgruntled neighbor, who objected to having the commercially zoned patch of woods across the street , developed into a tax generating employment center. Complained to the Governor , who in turn made a call to state EPA . Don't ya love it.
Lawyers got it down to $40,000, and stated, to get it squashed completely would cost.....drum roll....$40,000!

Meanwhile, during the 2.5 years we are waiting for our permit, (first job above)the State; hold quicky hearings and makes gambling legal, approves a spot over vociferous community objections, hand out a permit ( with no drawings, they call it "fast tracking"), constructs and opens a mega-casino.
All we wanted was a permit to build a $5 mil properly zoned building on a vacant lot.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:17 | 4992043 actionjacksonbrownie
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Thank you .gov for saving us all from the evil builders...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:27 | 4992057 overmedicatedun...
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action come back with an open mind, tell us all what is your allegiance to..I would like all on ZH to know what it is that got under your skin.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:46 | 4992818 StandardDeviant
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I'm guessing here, but I think his/her allegiance is to sarcasm...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:20 | 4992045 Oldwood
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Some areas are worse than others. CA is pretty bad from what I hear. Friends bought a home in La Jolla which was a complete dump thinking they could tear it down and rebuild something decent. Instead they were caught in a zoning trap where after years of effort they ended up having to hire an architect who also happened to be on the zoning board before they could spend hundreds of thousands, just for the opportunity to remodel, (something they really didn't want to do) creating something that was far less than what they had hoped for. We all understand the reasoning for rules, but these assholes are half power hungry Nazis and the other half out right thieves.

Regardless of how much better they promise to make our lives we should be far more careful about what power we give and to whom, because once given, it is very hard to get back. We should think of it as unprotected sex, where the implications can last forever. It all sounds fine and good at the time. If only Hitler's mother had said no.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:11 | 4992319 SWRichmond
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All of these things existed before the crash, but there was enough excess "money" flowing around to mask them and make us all feel that it was OK because the system seemed to be working in spite of them.  Now that the crash has occurred, the bureacrats are desperate to justify their phony make-work "jobs", and there are fewer projects now so each project gets more of their "helpful" attention. 

We should have killed the beast while times were good, buit no one (excpet the libertarians) cared about it then.  In fact, the times seemed so good that everyone else thought the libertarians were a bunch of ...conspiracy theorists.

Regulation kills economies.  Period.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:29 | 4992063 More_sellers_th...
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wow...I think I have the answer.  Budget in a professional shmoozer.  Hire a guy to take all the idiots for steak dinners and deliver a few cases of scotch to a few doorsteps.  List him on the payroll as a local lobbyist.  Fuckin sad, we really have become a bannana republic.  

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:57 | 4996495 TeethVillage88s
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NoPension, No telling if you will ever read this.

Simplify, Standardize and Streamline is a Principal for US Congress and US Legislation. They just don't admit this.

There are examples and plenty of US History on Financial Conflicts of Interests to dig up.

1) Flat Tax
2) Progressive Income Tax
3) Value Added Tax
4) Congress Polices itself on Financial Conflicts of Interest or any kind of Conflict of Interest, GAO serves the Congress but does not investigate congress
5) Revolving Doors to Industry for government workers going to Industries they regulate and vice a versa
6) Regulation Capture

Here is the Concept:

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:11 | 4992029 Moe Howard
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Just pay the dollar tip Pink.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 05:08 | 4991930 Offthebeach
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It can't happen here.


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:32 | 4991978 doctor10
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"Judicial reform" merely means an elecected state and federal judiciary-without political appointment.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:32 | 4995388 forensicator
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This is what happens when you call the cops

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:20 | 4991153 pods
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Utterly disgusting when you think about the totality of it all.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:37 | 4991225 A Nanny Moose
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Disgusting? Nah. This is the sole purpose of government, and the expected outcome of the use of force.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:42 | 4991245 fonzannoon
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sometimes we give them too much credit for being things they are not. Sometimes they show just how clueless they can be.


"Police are trying to figure out how someone was able to gain access to the bridge, which has around-the-clock patrol cars stationed on both sides of the bridge and security cameras focused at thebase of the towers."

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:00 | 4991308 yellowsub
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The false sense of security that no one believes there is...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:21 | 4991378 Keyser
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We are all but cogs in the machine, trapped by the paradigm into which we were born... All you can hope is to be shat out the posterior end of the machine with enough time left on the clock to extricate yourself from the madness... Me, I plan on walking on the beach and drinking beer... It's as good a way as any to go... 


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 01:54 | 4991768 TheReplacement
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But suppose they do find the party responsible.  What happens to them?  If it isn't right, what can you do about it?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:39 | 4991235 Greenskeeper_Carl
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i bought this guys book a couple weeks ago on my kindle, this article barely even scrathes the surface. disgusting isnt a strong enough word, trust me

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:55 | 4991288 kill switch
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This is very simple,, If we don't rise up it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take 100 Valium and check out,,because the masses will not rise....Sleep well!!

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:14 | 4991548 toady
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These articles with the billions of dollars listed really leave a bad taste in my mouth.  Beyond all the police state information, the money is just incredible! Think what could have been done, all the good that could have been done...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:38 | 4991807 boattrash
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Toady, you're so right. Probably enough $ to use heavy equipment to dig mass graves for the corrupt SOBs.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:38 | 4991989 Farqued Up
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Only in the earner's pockets. Anything else is forced subsidization of others' bad habits, regardless of altruistic jingoism.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:19 | 4991159 Chief Wonder Bread
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2nd amendment last bastion of a free people.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:39 | 4991229 A Nanny Moose
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Nope. Refusal to obey.

We are one of the most heavily, privately armed nations in the world, yet still tyranny creeps.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:46 | 4991266 john39
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you must arm your mind and soul, or a gun is useless.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:30 | 4991411 Chief Wonder Bread
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john39A Nanny Moose

Notice I said 'free people'. It was a trick.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:41 | 4991443 garypaul
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And I keep repeating how much better it is here in Canada despite much tougher gun laws. It has something to do with I.Q.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 01:13 | 4991732 Frankie Carbone
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Canada benefits tremendously from our bullshit south of you. First off, your very heavily dependant upon our faux economy for exports. When we go down, you go down. Maybe not as long as us, you are very rich in resources, but it is going to suck, and suck very very badly for quite some time. 

When you go down, your supply chain too will be disrupted, both internally and externally. And your social services net too will collapse, which will bring about civil unrest, and rightfully so, just as it will happen down here. 

When that happens, your masters will order you back into your sheds. Many of you will refuse. And for that you will be beaten and/or killed. 

In a scenario like that, the same would be expected here. Forget the thin veil of civility. Canada's veil is 1 mm thicker, I do give you that. I like Canadians and think that in general, they are way better people than Americans, and I say that, as an American, from the heart. But when a father needs to feed a starving family, the politeness goes by the wayside hasta pronto!

The politeness will be gone in a flash. Primal instincts will prevail for the unprepared. 

I digress, our masters will order us back into our sheds too. And like Canada, many will refuse. And for that we will be killed. 

This difference is that YOU ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE A SHUTOUT. Gov't: 1000. The People: 0. That's the body count ratio, in favor of .ca

Our team however, came to play hockey with hockey sticks, so while we're still up against TEAM USSA with their high-powered hockey sticks, we can still stay in the game, and if not an upset, at least refuse to go back into our sheds and when they kill us for it, we drive the puck down into their net a few times. If you show up at the rink, against the Broad Street Bullies, and expect to kick the puck in the net with your skates (disarmed), then you're going to get creamed. 

Here's the calling card of a panty-wearing, yella-bellied, unprincipled coward: "There's NO way that you can win!". 

When you hear or see that, you're looking at a pussy. I spit on them and relish mocking them when the statement comes up. I really do. 

For most members of Fight Club, the answer to "There's NO way that you can win!", is "And?.... What's the point? That's not why we'd fight back. It's that "there are some things greater than yourself" principle that comes into play".

Somethings cowards don't understand. 

I am a God-fearing man, and I pray everyday that violence never comes, and I have sworn an oath to God to never initiate violence and plan on keeping that bargain. But that doesn't mean I will lay down if it is initiated against me. 




Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:07 | 4991835 MisterMousePotato
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Kipling wrote, "Sometimes the best a man can hope for is to die on the barricades in the company of other good men." (Or something like that.)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:10 | 4991947 Frankie Carbone
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I think it is simpler than that, and far simpler than I had written above. The right to own and bear arms provides the population with a degreee of psychological edge that they may not otherwise have. How more more gone woud the Bill of Rights be if we were disarmed like Canada? Granted, the nation as a whole has been pretty docile and rolling over at every usurpation of rights that comes down the pike, but remember, history has shown that it is always a vocal, and courageous minority that invokes change. Remove the last Bill of Rights, the one meant to protect the other nine, and I fear that either that vocal minority goes away, or worse, it goes underground. If the later happens, then we have real trouble. It's a scenario that I don't think anyone wants to comtemplate.

No one wants the country to unwind, and I think, save a few gung-ho's here and there, no one wants to have at it with their .gov, be it Canada, the US, or basically anywhere. People that really do spoil for a fight are people that I want to get as far away from as possible. But again, history has shown that the most abusive nations are the disarmed nations, and unlike the jews of Germany, the Ukrainians of former USSR, or the Cambodians during Pol Pot, I suspect that as many as 10% of gun owners won't hand over their shotgun, pistol, or what-not, and/or meekly and sheepishly get into the truck and be taken "wherever" because their gov't has a plan that they didn't sign onto. The ones that are looking for a fight? Well, honestly, that is a suicide wish, and anyone willingly spoiling for a fight are likely insane and actually are the biggest impediment to reform out there.

Imagine if someone in the Nevada Bundy incident had fired a shot? Well, there is your pretext, and a world that you do not want to see. I know I don't. I think a lot of folks in Nevada seriously thought that without them, Cliven Bundy was going to get Waco'ed or Ruby Ridged and went there to assure that would not happen. Evil is evil, and we are our brother's keeper to some degree (the most honorable of men will risk life and limb to protect someone they have never known) and we have a right, a right instilled by God, by the laws of nature, to defend ourselves against injust, unlawful, and tyrannical acts.

The coiled snake on the Gadsden Flag (one of the oldest, and most respected symbols of Americanism, and of her history is now considered an object of domestic terrorism, that ought to be a big red flag for many) symbolizes a simple concept - if you don't trespass against me (respect my rights and the social contract per the Bill of Rights), then the snake will never move from its place, will sit their harmlessly, and all will be well. Go for the snakes throat, and you're going to get bit. The flag represents a purely defensive posture, but it is interpreted as a potential terrorist flag only because central planners have a plan for you and me that DOES involve trespassing on us, and they neither recognize nor care about your right to stand your ground against excessive abuse. They absolutely do care about accidentally tossing a match on a very dry and well armed pile of tinder, and I believe that causes them to pause and avoid even more treacherous actions than they already are undertaking. 

For example, I have no doubt that they would have "taught Clive Bundy a lesson" and in actually "us a lesson not to get too uppity when the king issues a decree", had there not been ordinary citizens on scene to protect him and his families lives. 

The Cliven Bundy incident was a message that the Ruby Ridge/Waco methodology of murderous intimidation isn't going to be allowed anymore. Without the 2nd, we'd either see a completely conquered electorate, with no vocal minority at all (ala USSR) or be seeing Waco incidents on steroids because the butchers would realize that they have no effective opposition and a handful of Waco's would put their problematic "wholly owned freedom-loving rebelling, uppity ni-ggers" in their place. (where everyone outside of their monied/poliitcal class is an owned n-gger in their eyes, regardless of ethnicity).   

I write this due to yet another snide comment, and ignorant misunderstanding of our 2nd amendment, this time from a friend from the North, and what I mean by the response of "so?" to the often quoted statement of "There is no way that you can win!". 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:51 | 4992002 NoPension
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Very well put,Frankie. ^1000

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:09 | 4992011 oudinot
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I disagree, when your economy  went down in 2008, our real estate in Canada had a small hiccup not a blood bath that you had to endure, our banks didn't get bailed out so you are quite obviously wrong on that point.

Our nation is much more educated that yours, we  have better health care (we pay less, live longer, one payer system).  We have much less economic inequality and much less racism .

Per capita we have 10 times the natural  resources that you have nationally.

Our debt is much smaller.

We don't have the incredible violence that you have because of your retarded gun laws.

If you invaded Canada you would lose. You tried it in 1812 and got your White House burned. If your 'mighty army' cannot hold Iraq it certainly would never hold Canada.    

All that said Canada is shitty in many ways-like being Israel's stauchest ally, crappy PM- just not as shitty as  your country.    

And we always beat your hockey teams, lacrosse teams.                                 



Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:25 | 4992053 Moe Howard
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Real Estate value was due to Chinese money running for cover.

Less racism? How do you define racism? The amount of MSM stories about how racist we are? Weak brother.

Higher IQ? Remove the illegal immigrant peasants from south of the border and I'm sure we will be equal or we might be higher.

I disagree on "better health care". Canadians using US health care for critical, time dependent treatment shows the flaws.

Natural resources? They happen to be there. You certainly didn't create them. US companies generally provide the funds to exploit them.

Incredible violence due to gun laws? How about incredible violence due to a certain race killing each other and other races at an incredible rate. Remove that race from the crime stats and I'll bet our murder rate is the same or better than yours.

As for "much more educated" I read that to mean "much more indoctrinated". Your posts are an example of that indoctrination.

Invade Canada and lose? WTF? We already own Canada, why would we invade? We would "lose"? What are you, about 12 years old?

The MSM couldn't have written your posts "better".


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:19 | 4992181 oudinot
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Well I lived in Kentucky for a couple of years while working in the oil fields there and towns were all black or all white.  I lived in Muhlenburg county, which was dry.  It was 52 miles to the closest legal beer; someone pointed out a 'bootleeger's' house just outside of Greenville and I went there a couple of days later so I didn't have to drive 52 miles.  A big mistake.  It was a 'black bootleger' (who only sells to blacks) and I almost got myself shot.  I found out who was the 'white bootlegger was and had no problem there on in.

We don't have that kind of segregation in Canada.  Not saying that Canada is not racist, it just is a lot less than in America.

Canada's health care has its problems but everyone has the same rights (single payer eliminates private insurance, 30% less expensive)and we pay half of what you pay and we live longer and healthier.  

Yes, the US has the best hospitals, best doctors in the world, no doubt; unfortunately, that's   for the top 5%, not all the people.  I like that we are all treated equally in health issues in Canada..

Yes, we didn't create the natural resources but we have the best geologists (the current fracking technology was patented by a small ((now big)) Calgary company), experts, financing (Toronto does 50% of all mining financing in the world-not "US companies" as you ignorantly commented) to exploit those resources.  

I don't think Canadians are any smarter than Americans, or anyone else for that matter, but we are much better educated than Americans .  If you don't believe me, check out national educational scores.  I sent my son to a great university (he just graduated as an engineer)in Canada  and it cost me a third of what it would cost in a similiar school in the US.

Canada could never invade the US, we would be squashed.  But neither could you invade Canada, you would lose a war of attrition just like the ones you lost in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and soon Afghanistan: all smaller countries and less developed countries.

I'm indoctrinated?  Well your sense of "American exceptionalism' seems to me as your own indoctrination held by many of your citizens.

Don't get me wrong, I love my American cousins individually, I hate your police state.



Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:26 | 4992055 NoPension
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One thing I can say, If I were in charge , every country in the Western Hemisphere , from Nova Scotia to the Southern Tip of South America, would be paying the USA protection money.
And you would pay.
All you turds get a free ride on our publicly financed Military Industrial Complex.
It's almost fitting in a way, the USA boning you with the exorbitant privilege of hold the reserve currency. Almost.

Yeah, you get public healthcare. But you also don't worry about spending money on a military. Who you worried about, with big brother sitting next door with a big stick? Kinda makes it easy when you don't spend 40% of your revenues on defense.

And this is NOT a hoorah for the USA MIC. Just sayin'

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:35 | 4992225 oudinot
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The only country Canada would be worried about invading it,  is the US.  So paying protection money would not happen.

Who does America have to defend against?  Your military is for offensive acts (Iraq twice, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Panama et al) and to pay your leaders, the MIC..  In North America we are isolated from other countries, we don't really need a super strong military and neither do you..

In these circumstances spending money on health care makes more sense than spending it on the military

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:44 | 4992254 overmedicatedun...
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oudinot, health care is a small part of it all, the outright lies and propaganda that are all too clear will lead you to other designs and other goals ...canada is lucky, but i hear no hand guns allowed, ever wonder why??

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:34 | 4992562 oudinot
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Don't get me wrong, Canada is turning into a police state itself and has many ugly blemishes, it should not be seen as a model.

Hand guns are allowed (not in the UK) but you have to take a gun course,pass it,  register it with the Gov, and not be crazy or a felon.  


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:30 | 4992064 Oldwood
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Canada now has bail-in laws so next time they won't bail out the banks with anyone's money but yours. Further, as Frankie points out, you are going to have a hard time kicking anyone's ass with sticks and stones...and hockey sticks. We are all in this leaky boat together. They have built the unsinkable titanic and forced us all aboard. When it goes down you may think you are safe being on the high end of the boat, but please believe it will still sink raking all aboard except the strongest swimmers.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:40 | 4991240 Yes_Questions
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i like the hidden alcove Tony Soprano had his weapon in.


then again, i'm a sucker for a rifle over the fireplace.




Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:02 | 4991316 TeethVillage88s
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I'm working on a Idea that the USA needs a Speedi-Cath Catheter.

But haven't worked out all the angles yet. Who, What, Where, When, How, How Much, How Many, Which Banks, Which Accounts, Which Off-Shore Accounts in Tax Havens, Which Trust Accounts, Which Executives, Which TBTF Banks, Which Off Shore US Corporations, Which tax avoiders, Which Corporate Beneficiaries of Federal Subsides, Which Corporate Beneficiaries of Federal Contracts,....

We have to Bring In Government Watchdogs, Small Business Watchdogs, Fair Tax Networks...

1) National Catheter
2) National Federal Banking Reform
3) National Federal Tax Reform
4) National Defense-Intelligence Reform
5) National Lobbying & Campaign Reforms
6) National Financial Reforms & Standardization
7) National Financial Ratings Firms Reforms
8) National Independent Accounting Reforms
9) Federal Budget Process Reform & Congressional Budget Reform
10) Fuck Immigration
11) Health Care Reform/Hospital Reform/Pharmacy Reform
12) Pension & Social Security Reform

Fuck It. No Catheter, No General Election, No Political Party like Democrat or Republican, and No Banking Bail-Out will HELP WORTH FUCK.

Drastic Ideas are needed. I might Trust Elizabeth Warren & Rand Paul, but if either supports War they are out. And I am concern that Liz Warren doesn't recognize some aspect of the Economy, the Velocity of Money & the Stagnation of Capital.

And so we will Crash.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:03 | 4991511 boogerbently
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....Property taxes.

Supporting the brainwashing of our children, and limitless.

My taxes went up 10% last Idaho. A "Red" state.

They could raise those taxes 100%, and what would happen ?

You'd pay them, or lose your house to the "state".


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:27 | 4992058 Moe Howard
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We pay for our enslavement and brainwashing. Our overlords teach our children. It all starts with removing the "Government" education system from our lifes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:09 | 4991781 TheReplacement
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Paul was taking the presumptuous tact that Putin is to blame for the shootdown yesterday.

Warren is a mental midget with empathetic people skills.  She believes that the solution to the problem is more government control.  Anyone who would follow her is utterly blind to reality.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:18 | 4991956 Frankie Carbone
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The problem is the consolidation of power, be it public or private. Show me ONE, just ONE incident where the complete consolidation of power by a few over the many did not end in tears. It astounds me that people like Elizabeth Warren cannot see this in the historical record. 

Here's the problem. SHE thinks she's a good person, with good intentions, and SHE thinks that she'll expand this goliath tentacled pillar of power for "the benevolent benefit of the people", but all it takes is a few, very wealthy and influential actors to grab hold of her "utopian mega-state" and turn it against the very people that she thinks it will benefit. And they'll do it for their own advantage because not everyone is as "pure in intentions as Elizabeth Warren". 

Warren HAS to realize this, yet she advocates it anyways. The question is why? That is the central question that you should be asking yourself. Why would she advocate something that she knows WILL, in time, be used for nefarious purposes, even if it initially benefits mankind in general (which I doubt it will, even from the start). Why? 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:31 | 4992066 Moe Howard
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The trailer park trash faux Indian Elizabeth Warren will mouth whatever her handlers and financiers tell her to mouth. Just like Obama. This puppet was elevated to be one of the candidates for President by TPTB because she is a reliable mouthpiece that will never "leave the reservation". It does not matter what she realizes; she knows the paycheck and privledges she loves will be ended if she ever departed from the company line.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:34 | 4992072 Oldwood
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And the road to hell is paved with what, again?

It is pointless to focus on people of evil intentions. They are completely dependent upon the do-gooders of the world who will gladly give up everything...for the children.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:39 | 4991870 SF beatnik
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Liz Warren is a smooth talker. But then, so was O. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:26 | 4991963 Frankie Carbone
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Bingo! "What you do shouts so loudly that I cannot hear what you are saying". 

When I see a citizen, with a straight face, quote a powerful politician, and then proceed to demonstrate that they believe their words with all their heart and soul, well, then I see a true IDIOT, a moron, an adult child still in fantasy land that never grew up, never learned to walk on his own two feet, never learned to think for himself, and doesn't want to because he doesn't know how to. Remember, most people demand equalization so they don't feel inferior. If people cannot think for themselves, then you'd be surprised to what lengths they'll go to, and what abuses they will allow onto you, to prevent you from being able to think for yourself also. 

Never underestimate the power of the crowd and its social influences. If a small but vocal crowd believes Liz Warren at face value, then eventually, via Paretto Effect, the vast majority of the crowd will be forced to believe in her too, lest they be labeled an outcast, or "outside of the mainstream" in formal parlance. 

But for most people, logic is turned on its head due to the media and hence social pressures resulting from herd mentality induced by the former: "What you say is echoed so often that I cannot see what you are doing". 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:12 | 4991545 25or6to4
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I used to think that way also but have come to the conclusion that my fellow Americans are too fat and happy to do anything about it. Sheesh, it's like pulling teeth to get my neighbors to come out to a 2nd amendment rally for a couple of hours on a Sunday if they come at all. All they care about is retirement and sports on TV. Yeah I hear you, gonna die on a six foot high pile of expended brass. For who, the FSA?

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:49 | 4991621 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Let me tell you.  I go to a lot of Gun Shows and there are some real bad asses out there and I guarantee you that when the SHTF they will not be fighting for the New World Order!


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 00:19 | 4991673 DoChenRollingBearing
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Tuco is right.  Not everyone will bend over when we get pushed too far.  I cannot necessarily claim that I will use my guns, but there are 80,000,000 other Americans who own them.

And some of them will fight.  And some of them will be real bad asses.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:12 | 4991784 TheReplacement
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And some of them will probably last about 30 seconds like me.  Whatever.

Tuco, 'If you're going to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk.'  Best line in the whole shootin' match.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:35 | 4991866 The Navigator
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Country boys can survive


And can shoot a Squirrel at 100 yards with iron sights, no problem.

There's a whole lot a country boys out there.




Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:44 | 4991875 The Navigator
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And if you think I'm going to stick around to pay the NEW bills, fuck you.

I been paying the OLD bills my whole fucking life, 50%+ and I'm fucking done.

I'd love to say more, help you do the same, but you gotta find the way out by yourself.

Otherwise you're feeding the system and starving yourself

This Golden Goose is strangled and the remaining geesse will get fleesed.

Find your way out.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:00 | 4992008 Urban Redneck
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It's looks like Beretta was pushed too far, and finally grew a pair...

Tennessee is much more civilized than the troglodyte den of Maryland.


Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:34 | 4992069 Moe Howard
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Last gun show they had blue vests and jackets for sale with POLICE in yellow on the back.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:21 | 4991164 Kaiser Sousa
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stop using their worthless paper script and stop leaving funds in their insolvent financial institutions...

until will continue to be fucked in your asses...

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:02 | 4991314 COSMOS
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So true kaiser, you cant kill this beast with bullets, it has to be starved.  As long as dollars can be printed out of thin air we are all slaves to the printers who will then corrupt our politicians and destroy our markets.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:31 | 4991412 Keyser
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Kind of hard to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk with gold or silver today, but I get your point... 


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:49 | 4991474 MountainsRoam
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It takes aabout the same time to cash in some gold or silver, as it does to make a deposit or withdrawal of dollars in a bank.. Then you go buy your loaf of bread and milk with your silver and gold loot, and banks don't get nothing from you..

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:57 | 4991499 garypaul
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Why cash in your PM? Just lease it or some other gimmick, and pay back with future devalued fiat (minimize how much PM you actually part with)

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:36 | 4991597 Kaiser Sousa
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exactly...for now they still force us to use the debt coupon dollar to purchase MOST goods and services we require or be it

but you dont have to SAVE in that worthless shit...
by saving in real money you withdraw from their slave matrix and preserve real wealth in real money as well as liberate yourselves to the greatest extent possible...

look, we can beat the mother fucking MoneyChangers without firing a REAL single shot...please believe that they fear this more than your Glock....

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:16 | 4991786 TheReplacement
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Hmm, uber rich guys fear the world stopping in place (them at the top) or the threat of mass violence against them...  I know which way I would lean, if I were them that is.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:34 | 4992074 Moe Howard
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Exactly. Withdraw your excess capital from the system and wait them out.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:45 | 4991876 JB
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"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."


Revelation 13:15-18

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:04 | 4991515 boogerbently
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I love you guys, but Fred Meyer or Vons don't take "gold or silver".

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:23 | 4991173 espirit
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As I was recently reminded, have a "Delusion B" plan at the ready.

Hope, to go with the chains.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:24 | 4991178 logicalman
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IRS agent = enforcer for the mob's protection racket.

If I came up to you in the street and said 'give me your money or I'll fuck you up', that would be called robbery (in the event of no blue uniform)

If the government comes up to you and says 'give me your money or I'll destroy your life' it's called tax - and that's OK??!!


something's fucked up.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4991262 Yes_Questions
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Something is fucked up indeed.


and its not ok.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:02 | 4991317 yellowsub
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Fucked up in how people accept it?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:17 | 4991788 TheReplacement
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Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:26 | 4991393 Seek_Truth
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As a wise man observed some time ago:

The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use - of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public.
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968)


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 23:57 | 4991637 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Kennedy Boys and, to a lesser extent, the well-meaning Jimmy Carter were the last great hope of Presidential power in the US.

The last great Congressman I trusted and respected was Dr. Ron Paul.  Notwithstanding his socialist views, Dennis Kucinich had the courage to speak the truth on most occasions.  These days even Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have been blackmailed/compromised/marginalized into complicit playacting, while on a short leash as the Controlled Opposition.

All others in DC were/are phoneys, hacks and puppets of banksters and the Shadows of Power.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:31 | 4991180 Colonel Klink
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Cops enforce unconstitutional laws because they're not allowed to think or question.

If that were the case, every sherrif in town would be out arresting the plethora of Obama administration officials for unlawful and unconstitutional acts.  Absent that event just goes to prove the police just do as their told.

State's rights are dead, as is the Constitution, without proper judiciary and legal enforcement.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:40 | 4991239 logicalman
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The biggest problem with the legal system is that 'laws' are not applied symmetrically.

At that point, the legal system does more harm than good.

We need to get back to Common Law and away from Statutes and Acts.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:43 | 4991257 SgtShaftoe
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Yes, legal plunder. Bastiat was truly a brilliant philosopher.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:04 | 4991774 NihilistZero
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What we really need is final acknowledgement that government is an evil that is wholly unnecessary.  If there is some "Grand Reset" event to be survived, the first asshole who suggests ANY form of compulsive governance and legitimization of force by law should be executed as an example.

Government will always bring about the same end game.  Government and any real freedom are fundamentally incompatible.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 02:21 | 4991792 TheReplacement
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Look into how Iceland governed itself before Norway kind of took over.  They had a form of government, a code of law, a form of court, and predefined penalties.  Word is, it worked well and they were happy.  For depth, look at why the first people left Norway for Iceland - Harald Finehair and his tyrannical ways.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:29 | 4991192 SgtShaftoe
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The only problem with their grand plans is they're hiring a bunch of goons to do their dirty work. Also, all the high-tech gear (radios, weapon systems, armor) have become high-tech and more fragile. Radio systems are all moving to P25 digital trunk systems that work for shit on nasty terrain. They also essentially work like a cell tower, so if the NCS (net control station) has a problem, everybody goes dark. The equipment has to be repaired and operated properly, and there's a whole lot of breaking points in all that gear.

Net: when shit gets truly real, the regime forces are going to be less capable than most rural communities. We'll be on our own, and that's just the way I like it.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:32 | 4991215 Seize Mars
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Yes, under real stress I give Americans the edge.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:27 | 4991402 varnelius
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Every radio is dependant on its antenna.....

Those NCS's you speak of, have their anenna in fairly obvious locations, AFAIK.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:40 | 4992081 Moe Howard
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The problem for TPTB as I see it, is holding on to those weapons and vehicles that they have pushed down to the local level. Unlike National Guard Armories, the local PDs are NOT so easy to defend or keep secure. The FRN cost in labor and security systems is too high. If SHTF "for real" an awful lot of those weapons are going to end up in the hands of the local citizens.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:02 | 4992130 Seize Mars
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Moe Knows.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:28 | 4991194 Yes_Questions
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crap, Clancy said that?



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:30 | 4991203 SgtShaftoe
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Clancy was a pretty cool dude. He also was very concerned about the official story of 9/11.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:52 | 4991280 Yes_Questions
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may he RIP 


I had the impression he was nicey nice with .gov so they'd provide access where his stories/movies needed it.  



Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:29 | 4991409 Caviar Emptor
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Maybe he didn't just die. He knew too much

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:42 | 4992085 Moe Howard
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He came to Fort Ord to study Light Infantry when I was there. The brass treated him like royalty. They must have loved his books.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:26 | 4991397 NoDebt
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Absolutely correct, Sarge.  Clancy knew which end was up in most circumstances.  He didn't think the US would succumb to this kind of statism, but towards the end, I think he knew he was wrong about that (my opinion).  

He was the commencement speaker at my graduation from Villanova (many years ago) and he was absolutely fantastic.  

He left this plane at about the right time, I think.  If he was still around, I suspect he would be tortured and hanted by what's happening.  This just ISN'T the place he thought was his country.  Not any more.  Not my mine, either.




Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:30 | 4991200 Seasmoke
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Exactly why I never shed a tear , when a thug in a costume with a badge, goes down for good. 

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:37 | 4991226 potato
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Let's talk about to where can one bail, make lots of money, and pay similar or lower taxes than USSA.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:42 | 4991242 A Nanny Moose
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Are you simply advising people to jump to another cage in the same fucking zoo? Really?

The only logically, and morally consistent point is that we stop granting a small group of people the right to order everyone else around at gunpoint.


Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:42 | 4991243 WTFUD
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@ potato That's an easy one friend, private merc, ukraine.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:41 | 4991247 SgtShaftoe
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Just a reminder to our regime force friends:

Once this is all over, there will be war crimes trials. Do you really think the crimes you commit will stay hidden forever???

Just a thought.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4991259 pakled
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More on Terry Porter... May be a bit more to the story than above descrription. May have been related to illegal firearms (rightly or wrongly)


Press report:

Blog following the story:


The press is lapping up the "doomsday prepper" angle.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:46 | 4991264 TrustWho
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King George, we are sorry.  Animal Farm

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:50 | 4991265 22winmag
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This is why I believe the "Oath Keepers" are useless frauds.


So what if they pledge not to take your guns during a SHTF scenario? They'd get their asses handed to them if they tried, and the other 99.99% of the time they're busy kicking down doors, tazing grandmas, and shooting women armed with babies.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 21:57 | 4991300 grekko
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Dude, cut the Oath Keepers some slack.  They are a minority.

Tue, 07/22/2014 - 22:06 | 4991329 Seize Mars
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Yeah, those Oath Keepers are somethin' else. They are going to really swing into action. Someday. Ya know, when things get really bad. At that point.

What are they doing between now and then? Selling ball caps and maybe having a bake sale.


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