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US: Just TRUST Us, We Wouldn't Lie … and Those Iraq War Lies Are ANCIENT HISTORY
Graphic by Michael Rivero
In the following 5-minute clip from a question and answer session between State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf and the American press, the U.S. State Department says (stripped of fluff):
We’re the good guys who tell the truth, and Russians are liars.
Forget Iraq … that’s ancient history.
Just trust us.
If the Iraq war is too far back to qualify as modern history, the U.S. government also told a pack of lies LAST YEAR to try to start a war against Syria. Or is that too long ago to be relevant to judging U.S. willingness to tell whoppers?
As Zero Hedge pointed out days ago, it doesn’t matter what really happened … the U.S. has announced that Russia did it. Forget fiat money … this is fiat intelligence.
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Same thing with TWA800. Want transparency? Tery releasing these 28 pages. "Rancid cunt" is too kind.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/07/congressman-shocked-by-suppressed-28-pages-on-911-challenges-you-to-rethink-everything-2883244.html
+10 for the Powell.
Funny cartoon, stupid and pro Russin as usual but funny.
That was pro Russian. That was not anti-US-lies. There is a huge difference.
You CAN trust me on that. I worship Putin and that is well known around here.
You should try to be honest with yourself. You will understand things better.
Signed: an American.
That was not pro Russian. That was anti-US-lies. There is a huge difference.
You CAN trust me on that. I despise Putin and that is well known around here.
You should try to be honest with yourself. You will understand things better.
Where is the US lie here.
Fuck the down vote(s) where is the fucking lie here.
We can start with the bullshit photo of the "launchers minus two missles being driven to Russia" that turned out to have been taken months earlier in territory controlled by your precious Maidans.
We can include the disgusting lie that possessions of the dead were being looted.
We can include the disgusting lie that the US has proof when it claims that radar data is classified, really should we wait for the next Snowden to tell us what we already know?
How about the continuos flogging to the Coptic Christian as the cause for Benghazi, same State Department we should trust now?
Haha I'd bet money it was Roadhazard that downvoted you.
When the fuck has the US government ever told the truth about anything? Ever?
That is the kind of characterization 'americans' long for.
'Americans' are responsible for everything.
'Americans' always lie.
'Americans' have always had a strong interest in diluting responsibility. Claiming that things are undiscerned helps the case.
Since 'americans' always lie, why bother?
The tale that 'americans' are responsible for everything helps to elude times when 'americans' are responsible.
The fear for 'americans' is that if their government states facts on this case, it only magnifies the times when their government lies. As their government might be able to tell facts and sput propaganda, it only puts one another in perspective.
On the oppposite, by claiming that their govermnent always lie, the commonality of the event dilutes any attempt to discern, why bother discerning since all of this is lies?
So You instantly believe it's a Western op with no proof. Attack me for having common sense from what I am seeing with my own eyes.
Ever deal with a compulsive pathological liar? I have. I was married to one for a time. After a while, you stop giving that person the benefit of the doubt.
The US gov't has never, ever told the whole truth about any event that has occured over the last 150 years, and in most cases have at the very least been obfuscatory, if not just bald-faced lying. There is no reason to believe that they're telling the truth now, especially considering that they are offering not one shred of evidence to back their claims. Meanwhile, the Russians are offering up real forensic evidence and asking very pointed questions. You tell me who is more credible.
Show me the Russian evidence, they would never lie to save their ass. Putin already looks like he ate a bad hamburger. You don't have it. I see a plane in rebel territory and a bunch of drunk rebels trying hard to screw up evidence. Your move, son.
Don't forget that the US had a spy satellite overhead when MH17 went down. The Russians have brought this to light, which exact satellite it was, and has asked for the photos to be made public. The fact that the US has classified those pics is pretty damning.
A fuck of a lot more than the West is offering up. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-...
The Russians simply showed the civilian radar signatures, that's all they needed. You see what you want to see - and since you are a russophobic fucktard, you don't see a group of hard working fighters giving up time from the front lines to guide a bunch of officials to a crash site when they have a war to fight.
Best. What about giving up time to thwart access to a crash site? Still doable for hard working fighters?
You’re Either With Us Or You’re Against Us” Version 2.0
I was against BushCO's war and I am against the unproven BS now. You have zero proof but lots of mouth. Y'all want this to be an American op so bad you make me sick. If it is I'll eat the crow. You clowns never will.
But you made the claim you were being SHOWN evidence of Putin's involvement.
Please share it with us if it consists of something more than the photoshop picture at the top.
Why hide your glorious light under the bushel?
Way I see it is that it is either the US or the Russians who are responsible for murdering the passengers on the plane. Both sides are making lots of noise but until the results of an official investigation are known nobody can say for sure who done it.
Who stands to gain most from committing such a terrible crime? Identifying the motive is as good a place to start as any.
The sad thing is that whoever is responsible for the murder of these 300 people will probably never be held accountable in a court of law.
On the other hand... (playing devils advocate)
There is no crime here at all.
(assuming) the separatists shot down MH17...
They had the complete right to do so.
An aircraft they did not give authorisation to - overflew their airspace - during a time of war.
They were completely within their rights to shot it down.
And the Kiev regime(air traffic control) had no business routing any flights through this airspace.
And that makes them the liable party - such as any exists.
( altho not to let Malaysian Airlines off the hook either, for flying there - and then over-flying Syria for Christ's sake... how stupid are these guys??? )
Being anti-lies and anti-war does NOT equal being pro-Russian. As an American, I want peace and prosperity for my country.
The same cast of characters who got us into Iraq, Libya and (almost) Syria now want to get us into Ukraine and eventually Russia. THEY are anti-American, because war with Russia would destroy BOTH the U.S. and Russia.
I Never see you clowns debunking Putin or the rebels. Cry me a river.
Hey dumbass,
Putin is not trying to get the US into a war with Russia, or Syria, or Libya, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or China, or anyone. There is no need to debunk him as long as the urgent issue at hand is the liars, theives, and murderers in DC ARE trying to do those things.
Once our house is in order, then call out Putin. If you see someone saying Putin is the best thing ever then yeah, call it. For now, Putin is not our problem, we are our problem.
'Americans' do not want war.
Putin is the one who might want a war. As time flies by, his options are severely reduced, so it is war now or never.
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Wooo, this guy is all over the place lately. Incredible.
Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens are locked in a monoextremum of antireality.
The US can't afford war and will not go it alone. Europe sure as shit don't want to piss off Putin. They will tell the US to kiss there ass first.
Roadhazard: You don't see allied governments' willingness to point the finger and demand sanctions before there is a clear picture of what happened as even the slightest bit provocative? For me, it calls to mind attitudes in 1914, a period when, most modern historians will agree, there was a 'general will to war'. It's also very similar to the attitudes displayed prior to the first Gulf War.
I'm not sure 'can't afford a war' is really valid either. Prior to the outbreak of WW2, a lot of debt was written off very quickly indeed. Also, how broke can you be when you can print as much of the world's reserve currency as you damn well please?
In short, and as demonstrated in responses above, I think the main reason that ZH'ers are picking apart the evidence is because if western governments are left to their own devices the consequences could potentially be very dire for all of us.
As I state below, twice. Tell me where the LIE is here that makes you all so livid. You dismiss Everything out of hand the US says. Where is the LIE. You show me the LIE and I will eat the crow.
That's not how it works. What happens is someone has to produce evidence. If they can't produce their evidence then they are just talking bullshit. You should perhaps live up to your avatar and tolerate less bullshit.
I don't tolerate bullshit that is why I get the down votes. "Evidence", that is what I am asking You for. Show me the lie that the US is telling. Show me this is a Western op. I'm being SHOWN that the rebels shot it down with or without Russian help. You show me ANY evidence it is a Western op. You got nothing but smoke, check yourself.
The civilian radar shows a plane on an intercept course. That's all we have at this time. Watch the video again, if you can't figure it out then, well, I for one think you are gullible and that you do tolerate bullshit. She was asked for evidence, she gave none citing security concerns. That's bullshit. That's a MASSIVE PILE of it.
And if you think WE'VE got nothing, check yourself... NONE OF US have anything because this is a news site and we are people sitting with computers gassing about something that happened at the other side of the world. You're not a master of anything, know nothing of evidence, have no evidence of anything and never did becuse you're just a consumer of news with a keyboard and a fantasy that you can cut through all of the bullshit. Evidently, nobody here thinks you have brought anything to this party. Maybe we're all full of bullshit I don't know, I'm passed caring to be honest.
Thanks for the link to the radar. Sarc/on
And I know you all have nothing. That is what I've been saying the whole time.
I noticed you've ducked my question, so I ask again - why shouldn't reasonable doubt delay war? How can a snap judgement, such as the one you are making, be justified under such circustances? What you are being shown is being shown from a well documented instrument for propaganda. Should it not be questioned?
"snap judgment", funny you don't ask the Western op people that same thing. It's like the red/blue deal, only the supposed "blue" people get the red/blue speech. As far as I'm comcerned at this point the US is in a cherry position. Something happened they had nothing to do with. McCain is so happy he can hardly stand it. I can smell bullshit PDQ. I am 2/0 against government bullshit from day one (Vietnam and Iraq) so I am pretty confident in my track record. All you have to do is show me I'm wrong instead of leaning on past history.
Why the obfuscation and back peddling by intelligence services if the US position is so clear?
Yes, 'snap judgement', the snap judgement that you have made based on some ego re-enforcing 'bullshit detector' mechanism that you claim to have, the efficacy of which is, apparently, demonstrated by your own personal 'past' history (though I should not be allowed to form my arguments using historical examples). We are discussing evidence, your arguments are a tangle of illogical nonsense. And yet again you have ducked my question, though I was good enough to answer yours.
To borrow from good old Will Shakespeare, “I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!”
The FP explanation for the backpedaling:
2nd to last paragraph-
The officials were especially concerned with countering various theories put forward in the Russian press that claimed Ukrainian military forces shot down MH17. Dismissing the stories as "propaganda," the officials spent about half of the briefing debunking claims that a Ukrainian SA-11 battery or an attack plane was the guilty culprit.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/22/us_intelligence_no_cl...
Ty. I think this will probably become the official narrative very quickly. It allows the Obama administration to save face somewhat, blames a Russian proxy instead of Russia outright, yet prevents Putin from justifying a retaliatory invasion of the Ukraine.
They certainly sound concerned about the 'propaganda'. I don't expect the victims' families will ever get a sensible answer, sadly.
This made me laugh though:
"he holds Putin responsible for, at the very least, creating the unstable and confused wartime conditions in eastern Ukraine that set the stage for such a tragedy."
Would probably land most of the past and present leaders of the developed world in jail if used as a measure of guilt in international law. And no metion of the installation of a US/EU friendly admin in Kiev.
When you run out of argument there is always the personal attack, huh.
Later, dude
Seems to be working for you today. Run Forrest.
He who lies first, lies best.
Putin's check on Obama.
Did I say there was a lie? Certainly there are questions surrounding an alledged Pro-Russian Gadfly SAM which has been now been identified as operating in a Ukranian held territory. There are questions surrounding Pro-Russians use and ownership of these weapon systems. There are questions surrounding the diversion of the flightpath. There are questions surrounding the Russians' evidence. There are questions surrounding the timestamp on 'intercepted' footage. There are questions surrounding motivation. There are questions over the EU/US involvement in Ukranian government. There are questions surrounding Blackwater's involvement.
There are enough questions to provide enough 'reasonable doubt' that snap judgements shouldn't be made. Reasonable doubt would delay a murder conviction, why shouldn't reasonable doubt delay the death of hundreds/thousands (millions?).
This time we need to see the WMDs. There is far too much at stake.
It is not that the US can not afford war and wont go alone.
'Americans' always follow the same methodological way of proceeding. They've monetized the various stages in their method and do not skip one.
They will run stage after stage. Only when it is over, they will go to war.
We cant make the actual radar tape available because its clasified? what kind of bullcrap is that?
Anyone remember the time the US airforce dropped a bomb on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, killed a whole bunch of chinks and then blamed it on a faulty road map?
Anyone remember the time the US airforce dropped a bomb on a Tv station in downtown Belgrade, killed 13 men and women and blamed it on some bullshit targeting error?
Anyone remember the time the US airforce dropped two boon a commuter train in Leskovac Serbia and blamed the second run on faulty intelligence even though video from the first bomb indicated they had just killed 43 civilians instead of Arkan's Tigers?
I would not waste 5 minutes watching that rancid cunt if she hiked her skirt over her head and inserted the mic in her slash.I hope Putin did something cute with the CockPit recorder and insterspersed video of faggot Barry doing his girlie workout into the recording.
ROCKIN' post!!!
Hahaha. Obama's girly workout and the likely girlfight tactics is all the evidence I need.
Nobody remembers any of that NOZZLE. It didn't happen. Serbia doesn't exist. Untermenchen.
Everyone knows about WMDs dropped on Japan and chemical warfare in Vietnam... and they still twisted it around to look like good guys.
Would be so much fun to watch that silly cunt Bagdad Barb eat her fucking words