US State Department "Confident" MH17 "Mistakenly" Downed By Separatists, Finds No Direct Link To Russia

Tyler Durden's picture

UPDATE: Having failed absymally with their earlier release of "information," US intelligence officials have tried to give more information... sadly this does not include any actual evidence, just statements and confirmation of YouTube clips...

Via WaPo,

Senior U.S. intelligence officials cited sensors that traced the path of the missile, shrapnel markings on the downed aircraft, voiceprint analysis of separatists claiming credit for the strike, and a flood of photos and other data from social media sites.


The officials also for the first time identified a sprawling Russian military installation near the city of Rostov as the main conduit of Russian support to separatists in Ukraine, describing it as a hub of training and weapons that has expanded dramatically over the past month. The officials said that tanks, rocket launchers and other arms have continued to flow into Ukraine




Senior U.S. intelligence officials said they have ruled out the possibility that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the attack.


“That is not a plausible scenario,” said one senior U.S. official, who noted that American intelligence agencies have confirmed that Ukraine had no anti-aircraft missile system within range of the Malaysian flight at the time it was struck.




The official was one of three senior U.S. intelligence officials who spoke on condition of anonymity during a briefing arranged for reporters in Washington




“We are seeing a full-court press by the Russian government to instruct affiliated or friendly elements to manipulate the media environment to spread Russia’s version of the story,” the official said. “What this looks like again is a classic case of blaming the victims.”




The officials also declined to provide more details on the satellites and other sophisticated sensors that enabled them to trace the path of the missile, citing concerns about compromising secret U.S. capabilities.




The U.S. officials said they have confirmed the authenticity of some of those recordings, including one in which the self-proclaimed defense minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Igor Strelkov, claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane at the time the Malaysian aircraft was struck.


Analysis comparing that audio clip to other confirmed recordings of Strelkov’s voice “confirmed these were authentic conversations,” one of the officials said.




“If you listen to Youtube you get that: ‘we’re finding civilians,’” a senior U.S. intelligence official said. Partly for that reason, the official said, “the most plausible explanation to me is [it was] a mistake.”

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So once again no actual evidence... conjecture on 'unknown' recordings provided by Ukraine (ignoring for a moment the fact that the ones that have been released publicly have been proved false). Illustrations of a large Russian military base near the border of Ukraine... well is anyone surprised by that?



With a somewhat shocking lack of evidence, AP reports that US officials (on condition of anonymity) have stated that intelligence suggests Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was mistakenly shot down by separatists and can find no link to Russia.

However, the unnamed non-proof-providing officials believed Russia "created the conditions" for the downing of MH17. For now there is not even a YouTube clip to confirm this... as officials do not make the new technical evidence public...

As opposed to Russia's detailed 30-minute press conference,



As Bloomberg notes,


AP reports,

Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.


They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia "created the conditions" for the downing by arming the separatists.


The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.


They said they did not know if any Russians were present at the missile launch, and they wouldn't say that the missile crew was trained in Russia.


A senior official said the most likely explanation was the plane was shot down by mistake.

So it seems like all we have is...

h/t @BarbaraStarrCNN

Which is right in the heart of separatist-held territory...


Satellite image shows spread of debris from Malaysia Airlines flight


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So - to sum up - having told the world that they would release details surrounding intelligence about the MH17 disaster, US officials have pulled a "trust us" moment... blamed the "terrorists" and given themselves an out with Putin... all with absolutely no public proof whatsoever...

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Which leaves us with one question - What happened between The White House and Putin (and perhaps Merkel) that ended with this lowering the tone of the debate?

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ndotken's picture

An SA-11 leaves an enormous smoke trail when fired ... where are the photographs of it? ... surely someone at the CIA has thought about that ...

NotApplicable's picture

Tuesday Humor?

Lemme guess, they're still going after MOAR sanctions.

Tao 4 the Show's picture

Internecine wars in the halls of power.

BBC has been touting the party line in full force today. Now they have to do an about face. Something is going on behind the scenes.

CrazyCooter's picture

The only thing that could make this administration appear more compentent is ... cowbell.

More cowbell.



nope-1004's picture

just after ramadan-a-ding-dong.


Slave's picture

It doesn't matter what the US says now because the US media has already done their damage to Russia.

knukles's picture

Uh.. mmm.. I ah... well.... we a know a seeing that....  uh... revenge will be ours upon whitey and uh....

ZerOhead's picture

I suspect the Neocons have been "pantsed" by Putin yet again.

1000 splendid suns's picture

Now let's get down to what really was on the flight: Jim Stone Freelance.

And let's find out why Serco flew it over troubled airspace: Abel Danger.

SilverIsKing's picture

<- Russia's fault

<- Not THAT Russia, the other Russia

Stackers's picture

Ok I will buy that ...... now .... who "mistakenly" routed said jet over said no fly war zone ?

Pinto Currency's picture


Note: video above is not of MH17.

gmrpeabody's picture

I think common sense points towards some separatist cholo who wanted to scare the shit out of somebody, and succeeded beyond his dreams. It's possible, it's probable. Now everybody is trying to spin it to their advantage.

He's probably running for his life about now.

The Alarmist's picture

Reminds me of the old legal ploy in New York of Sewer Service.

Gaius Frakkin&#039; Baltar's picture

Not a shred of proof... just like all those terrorist plots the NSA supposedly foiled. "Just trust us or die" is the motto of DC.

The Alarmist's picture

Lindsey France is no Lauren Lyster, but is still easy on the eyes.  Speaking of easy on the eyes, where is Yulia Shapavalova these days?

pods's picture

I find it laughable that the US government thinks that ANYONE trusts what they say.


Save_America1st's picture

Another RT report.  Of course RT is just a stateside propaganda channel out of D.C., but they seem to put out better shit than any of our American lapdog, scumbag, state-run, "media" shitheads.  And I really loved Lauren Lyster's show before she left.  Miss her!  haha

Pinto Currency's picture



RT does put out some very useful info on Europe / US situation, however do note that they are far less focused on uncovering Russian fraud, gov failures, etc.


And Lauren was awesome.

Elvis the Pelvis's picture

What?  Did they shit the BUKs?  Russia's at fault.  Bitchez.

Manthong's picture

“officials believed Russia "created the conditions" for the downing of MH17”

“Officials” can believe in the tooth fairy if they want, but I know for a f’n fact that the US created the conditions for there to be separatists to begin with.

TeamDepends's picture

Breaking: TeamDepends confident State Department wants to bend TeamDepends over barrel. Film at eleven.

Rodders75's picture

Yeah but Erin Ade is hotter than Lauren Lyster

Pumpkin's picture

Hell, I base what I believe to be true on what they deny. 

knukles's picture

 - J "Well when I was in Vietnam" Kerry

zaphod's picture

"officials believed Russia "created the conditions" for the downing of MH17"

This sounds quite similar to the US criminal justice system, where if your house is the target of a SWAT raid you are responsible if anyone gets hurt by the police, even if found innocent of reason for raiding your home in the first place.

Save_America1st's picture

so their story has had a shorter half-life than even their bullshit Benghazi story.  Looks like they're already backtracking, stumbling, falling down, and about to totally run away in retreat from this one very soon.

So that must mean they need another False Flag event to turn the attention away from yet another lie they've been caught in and distract the sheeple a little longer.

The Farce is becoming weaker and weaker in these traitors. 

CheapBastard's picture

I hope we're not going to let quaint concept like "evidence" hang this thing up, are we?  Lets accuse, trial, convict and hang 'm...then we can look at all the evidence.

The Alarmist's picture

Actual milage may vary.

Objects in Mirror may be closer than they appear.


crazzziecanuck's picture

Just a quick something I whippped up.  Fun with Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.  Sums up my problems with this entire world, pretty much.


bilbert's picture

Nicely done - a Canadian W7, eh?

Dial the pixels WAAAAAY down, tho - took me over a minute to render on a T1 line.

omniversling's picture


Disinfo...This clip is NOT MH17 hit, was downing of transport plane (An-30 gets Hit by Manpad over Slavyansk), posted on LiveLeak on Jun-6-2014, over a month earlier...

MiltonFriedmansNightmare's picture

Conditions are now ideal for a takedown of the Cabal. Abel Danger has them pinned and will show no mercy. The ring of Psychopathic, Satanic pederasts controlling the world will be exposed.

MiltonFriedmansNightmare's picture

Conditions are now ideal for a takedown of the Cabal. Abel Danger has them pinned and will show no mercy. The ring of Psychopathic, Satanic pederasts controlling the world will be exposed.

Urban Redneck's picture


The title of the video (on LiveLeak - the source) is "NOT MH17 being shot down (unconfirmed footage appears to be AH26 not 777) without ads"

Pinto Currency's picture




The dangers of YouTube - note to state department.

logicalman's picture

I think the Russians have shown O some interesting pictures........

logicalman's picture

If the US has the kind of satellite capabilities it claims/implies it has, they should be able to read the writing on the damn wing - the small stuff, where it says'Do Not Stand Here'

Makes you wonder.

Tall Tom's picture

Visual Imagery cannot exist as it was Overcast.


Satellites cannot see through clouds.




Infrared Imagery cannot exist as the Satellites cannot see through clouds.




The only observation band available is Radar Imagery. Due to the Long Wavelength of Radio Waves the resolution is limited to Meters at best.


(It was at 4:20 PM local time. Somehow I was fed misinformation that this had happened at night. It does not change any analysis as when it is cloudy our Satellites are rather incapable.)


Just what in the fuck do you want from our Technology? Miracles?


Why don't you pray to your Flying Spaghetti Monster?


Look at the Empirical Evidence...Look at the weather in the videos. (I looked at the NOAA images myself to see if storms were the cause of the reroute South. That is a plausible explanation..)


From the Russian evidence it is most likely that a scrambled Ukranian Fighter Jet shot down MH17 mistaken that it was a Russian Troop Transport. It still was intentional that the Ukraine Pilot targeted that jet and brought it down.


There has been no counterevidence offered by anyone else.


So I yield to Occam's Razor.




Max Cynical's picture

"I think the Russians have shown O some interesting pictures"

Or, threatened to unload a boatload of get the party started.

logicalman's picture

Someone's definitely put a bat up Obama's pyjama leg!


db51's picture

You might be right.  What ones do you think?    Maybe O bent over with Reggie Love's Guided Muscle firmly pounding his ass?