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Congress Brings Socialism To America With This Proposed Law

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Sadly today I am reporting to you yet another development that seems as if we are all living within the pages of Ayn Rand’s seminal work Atlas Shrugged.

You may recall from the book that John Galt, the enigmatic protagonist, started off as a young engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company.

When the owner of the company died, the heirs decided to run the business according to the new enlightened principles of the time.

Primarily, they let all the workers vote on how the factory was supposed to be run and how much everyone should be compensated.

And it was soon decided that “everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his needs.”

Naturally, bright hard-working employees soon left; they found themselves working around the clock for the benefit of others who felt entitled to contribute as little as possible.

John Galt was among the first out the door.

And not long after, the once successful company went bust. No surprise.

Unfortunately this is no longer fiction. Because in the Land of the Free, the United States Congress is striving to make Atlas Shrugged a reality.

Their latest brainchild is to set up a new government bank, stuff it full of taxpayer funds, and loan the money to American workers for the exclusive purpose to help them form collectives and buy the companies they work for.

It’s called the United States Employee Ownership Bank Act.

And, straight from the bill, they aim to provide “loan guarantees, direct loans, and technical assistance to employees to buy their own companies. . .”

The goal of this legislation, curiously, is to “preserve and increase employment in the United States” which is still problematic six years after the global financial crisis.

Since September 2008, the US government has increased its debt level over 50% to $17.6 trillion.

The US Federal Reserve has increased its balance sheet four-fold, conjuring $3.5 trillion out of thin air.

All of this was supposed to create jobs. And with each of these being a failed policy, Congress is now descending into outright socialism.

To be fair, people throw around the word socialism a lot. They’ll say “Obama’s a socialist” or something like that. Often it’s taken to exaggeration.

But this legislation– the government effectively sponsoring the communal takeover of private business– is textbook socialism: private property and the means of production owned by the community.

Socialist Yugoslavia actually tried the exact same thing: worker-owned cooperatives. And the consequent failure was absolutely epic.

But politicians never let pesky things like truth get in the way of a bad idea.

It’s time to wake up smell the reality. This isn’t about panic. It isn’t about doom and gloom. It’s about facts, not fear.

Any rational, thinking person has to look at this and ask a simple question: where is this trend headed?

The evidence is pretty clear. And more and more people are starting to realize it.

People all over the world are thinking: “This is not the country I grew up in. And I don’t like the trend.”

It’s unfolding right in front of our very eyes for anyone with the intellectual courage to pay attention.

Whether it happens today, tomorrow, or five years from now is irrelevant. It’s the TREND that is so important to pay attention to.

And with that simple premise in mind, does it make sense to hold everything you’ve worked your entire life to build in a place with such a negative trend?

Your livelihood. Your savings. Your retirement. Your family’s security.

Rational people look at facts objectively and have a plan B. What’s yours?

 

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Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:09 | 4995799 Obama_4_Dictator
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It's a secret where I'm going

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:14 | 4995821 knukles
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"I know where you're going to live."
     -NSA

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:15 | 4995832 johngaltfla
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FWIW, it died in 2012 and Sen. Sanders (Socialist-VT) reintroduces this every year.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:17 | 4995840 knukles
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Bernie ....

Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:21 | 4995859 max2205
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When's the next plane out of here.....oh wait

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:23 | 4995875 Chupacabra-322
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We're Goverened by Pure Evil Psycopaths, Sociopaths, Children & the Insane.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:29 | 4995898 CheapBastard
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Good! I can finally buy myself out! As soon as I own the company, I'm going to fire myself but take a massive Golden parachute with me!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:33 | 4995920 Escrava Isaura
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CheapBastard,

Do you have a problem with capitalism?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:46 | 4995971 nightshiftsucks
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Capitalism ? Where ? Shut up stupid fuck.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:14 | 4996092 Elvis the Pelvis
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Socialism?  Where?  Bitchez.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:51 | 4996237 Manthong
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It’s all good as long as we get enough Czars and Commissars to assure 70 or so years of successive 5-Year Plans and collectivist failures.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:40 | 4996774 surfsup
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FDR's shadow returns...   All the better than the interest going to offshore foreign entities to churn in their casino's instead of going back into the economy... 

This is a concept that is a whisper now but will be screaming in the future.   Take the interest to near zero with no middle man and no private parties siphoning off the un earned gains and it has a chance of working... 

Funny that there is so much idle talk against it as it atleast it is one step closer to representative economics rather than back door rooms of un elected committee's who operate by decree and late night phone calls... 

This is the natural back lash against the monopoly of publishing script and of course will be cloaked in all mannar of "fear" based associations....

WHEN the thud of deflation hits these types of concepts will go viral as they did from 1929 to 1938.   

However by the time any popularist concept builds steam the internationalists will attempt to discredit the unit of exchange and just move their little street carney shell table to another jurisdiction -- which they ARE doing, but will those new jurisdictions eventually turn on them also -- and will any new system of FDR style rebuilding domestically use actual assets to support any return to real economy?    The central wankers madly fear this -- as we've seen by recent "foreign interest pupeteered" villany in Libya with the killing off of the African Gold Backed Dinar as such base will not be tollerated by the current rabble of misfits who assume to hold sway .   Now they are on to hammering the islamic areas due to their long standing memory of actual history as interest based systems always collapse on theselves not so much becuase of graft and corruption but because of simple mathematics.  But that debate will not be tollerated....   From cradle to grave the idea of interest has been etched in -- but not in Islamic nations...   Hence why they are targeted for Synarcy. 

After the lawn mower clear cuts the economy as part of its plan of exhausting then burning the plantation any effective remedy will "appear" as socialism, however at some point a return to constitutional laws regarding units of exhange will be considered again -- but as well -- the scheming misfits will attempt to sew discontent among the masses to not trust each other especially not any group from which ideas of real remedy emerge.  

Meanwhile the offestting clear cut of the institutional peadofiles continues as the decentralized organic opposition knows that is their center of gravity as msifits too are beginning to not trust each other and down she goes -->

Babylon indeed has already fallen.   Keep clear of the debris if at all possible.   

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 04:28 | 4997037 surfsup
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"But we've already had low interest rates and look where we are... "

... 

Has anyone really had low interest rates?  "Some" Banks, yes...   Individuals?    None...   

A 30 year fixed 4% rate (per year) loan on an asset which is property of the lender until full payment is made is NOT zero percent.

A credit card at 0% for a year certainly is but one late payment and it ramps up to 12% at very least so that is in reality is NOT zero% notwithstanding the fact that any introductory zero percent credit card WILL ramp up at some point in the future to a figure well beyond zero... 

So in truth there has not been any zero percent intrest for the population... 

...

On the issue of script "management" with no represenation, the previaling idea is:   "Politicians, you cant trust them so they should not set monetary policy..."

Think if the depth of that false construct and what supports it.   Wel...   A pedophile system of calculated entrapment and "tagged" felons of course.   

Google "David Hawkins abel danger"  and dig into the next layer down in the rabbit hole...   Nothing fails like success.  

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:23 | 4997453 Mr. Ed
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Think you're barkin up the wrong tree...

Here's what probably happened:

1. Someone couldn't find a buyer for their business(es) and came up with a scheme that used taxpayer money to help them cash out.

2. They realized that they'd get 3 or 4 times what the business was worth if they got Mr. Deep Pockets involved (the US Gov) ...same way US Gov involvement has helped the medical industry and universities to get way more for what they sell than it's worth by stepping in with cheap taxpayer money.

3. They started the "Socialism" boogeyman story themselves, knowing it would likely have critics chasing and barking at their own tails (giving cover to the real story).

 

People.  people...  we don't live in a leftist ideology driven hell (although it seems that way): we live amongst a bunch of scheming psychopaths!

If you want to understand what's going on in the world, think. like. a. psychopath!!!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:16 | 4997175 Offthebeach
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5 Year Plans?
Hey Bud, you think I just fell off the collective turnip truck? 5 years?
I'm a frik'n Amerkin, we are impatient. 2 year plans, maybe 3. But no way am I waiting for glorious future for 5 years.
/s

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:12 | 4997311 stant
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5yr plans only last about 1 quarter

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:59 | 4996026 ebworthen
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Tee-hee-hee, Capitalism, funny.

Where?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:08 | 4996056 Escrava Isaura
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Well, wonder NO more!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:01 | 4996220 Chief Wonder Bread
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Opt out of this corrupt evil system, whatever you deem to call it. Go crypto-Galt (modify & aDjust your dissent however much you can find room for within your current familial situation.)

YES, this nutty bill will not passs the CONgress, but still indicative of the current degraded state of affairs of this USSA goberment.

It reminds me of the TREASON of the New Deal which probably stretched the misery of the Great Depression throughout the 1930s. Garet Garrett argued it was equivalent to treason anyway in 1938 (he didnt' use that word). See this classic essay 'The Revolution Was':

http://mises.org/daily/2726

I don't know if the distress that FDR's policies caused were deliberate. But it does not bode well for the US system of governance that an economic illiterate and political animal such as Roosevelt could (and can) gain such power as the presidency.

The damage has been done over the course of the 20th century. It cannot be easily reversed as it might be in a parliamentary system because the constitutional system of the Imperial Presidency (inchoate since its inception) is so hard to change. This is often cited as its strength but could it actually be its weakness?

 

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:11 | 4996303 deflator
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 The idealism of socialism has been co-opted by force of central governments every bit as much as the idealism of Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged". There is no difference between socialism and capitalism if either can be manipulated by a central government. You guys crack jokes about Communists but it seems to me that "capitalists" sell out their idealism for government largess every bit as fast as socialists. 

 

 On second thought, Capitalists will always sell out faster than anyone.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:12 | 4996333 Anusocracy
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The problem was, is, and always will be government.

Until it goes away, or people do.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:41 | 4996446 The Mason
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Banksters is the problem. They run the Government

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:57 | 4996820 PT
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... and that is why so many "socialist" programs involve someone borrowing money that they can not afford to repay!!!!!

IF YOU HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY BACK THEN IT IS NOT SOCIALISM, IS IT!!!!!!!!  Oh, that's right, the taxpayer is backing the loan that will never be repaid.  But the taxpayer's money is not going to the "socialist parasites", it is going to the BANKs, with how much interest???  When the "socialist parasite" goes bankrupt and the bank gets fully bailed out by the taxpayer, does the "socialist parasite" get to keep anything?

Is it really "socialism" when an idiot buys a loss making pile of debt that previously only maintained artificially high valuations through corruption?  On the plus side, the idiot does get to learn that he is an idiot.  On the minus side, the banksters win again and no-one peeks behind the curtain to see them laughing all the way to the, oh, they're already there.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:18 | 5003840 Anusocracy
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Have to disagree.

No banksters, government is still the problem.

No government, banksters become bankers. no problem.

Cause and effect.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 04:18 | 4997031 sessinpo
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deflator   The idealism of socialism has been co-opted by force of central governments every bit as much as the idealism of Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged". There is no difference between socialism and capitalism if either can be manipulated by a central government.

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You have have a fatal flaw in your post. If you understood Atlas Shrugged, it was about the problem of big government. That is different from capitalism vs socialism.

Socialism is just a more blunt, in your face, big government advocates. Whereas, capitalism has its big government and small government advocates. Your mistake is confusing political ideology with economic ideology and it is easy to do since they are intertwined.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:29 | 4995902 The Alarmist
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Who is John Galt, besides a literary figure after whom a boulevard in Omaha Nebraska is named?

This is a sign of a coming apocalypse in that we only offer shares of the various quasi-public enterprises when we no longer have confidence that they can attract interest from sophisticated buyers.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:40 | 4996782 PT
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Spot on. The difference between this and the Rand novel is that the companies are already bankrupt before the workers even buy them.  The propaganda is "let the people buy their jobs" or "let the people decide how to run the company".  The reality is, record low revenues, record high valuations and no-one else dumb enough to buy it.  Sell it to the dumb schmucks with money that they BORROWED!!!!, watch them run it into the ground ... errr, it was already in the ground - watch them hit the earth's core, then buy it back again for pennies to the gigadollar, while pumping out the "I told you they couldn't do it" propaganda.

"Here, your turn to look after the patient", they say as they switch off the machine and walk out the door with all the life-support equipment.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 05:06 | 4997062 Ayn-UK
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That's what we said about Obama in 2007. I don't laugh any more.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:32 | 4995895 Escrava Isaura
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Simon Black writes: "It’s time to wake up smell the reality... Since September 2008, the US government has increased its debt level over 50% to $17.6 trillion.

Well, that's wrong!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:02 | 4996035 ebworthen
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:17 | 4996100 Escrava Isaura
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ebworthen,

Thanks for the reply, and my apologies. Simon was right. When I first read his post, it gave the impression that double. And that is NOT what Simon said.

Anyway, the link below is easier than the graphic. And thanks again.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:30 | 4996156 ebworthen
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No worries, thanks for your polite response and the page link.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:42 | 4995956 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Wonder why Bernie does not introduce a bill that would allow employees to save tax free their own money which then could only be used to purchase a business? Would that not then make each "investor"  have skin in the game? But Bernie is a socialist and the only "skin" he wants or craves is someone elses. What a POS!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:52 | 4996000 Escrava Isaura
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new fxrxexexdxoxmx,

Did you read the article?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:06 | 4996048 ebworthen
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Bernie should introduce a bill that sends to every legal taxpaying U.S. Citizen a tax free check equal to the amount slathered on corrupt Wall Street banks/insurers/corporations since 2008.

I figure it's about $3 Million per citizen.  It's only fair.  Then we can each choose to start a business, gamble in the equities casino, party and get laid, or buy a place to live with cash and tip well.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:41 | 4997238 rbg81
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There is a good reason all the Socialists and Communists hate Ayn Rand.  She saw right through them and wrote about all their tricks (most of which they're still using today).

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 11:06 | 4998239 The_Virginian
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It's remarkable Vermont's gun laws are still as good as they are...I guess they can't touch those, just yet. Used to be a pretty bad ass state...now it's NYC/Boston retirees and trust fund babies. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:30 | 4995900 villainvomit
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Yep, and the whole Enron 401k turned out wonderfully for the employees that chose to go all in.......but the SEC, FINRA and all the other SRO's couldn't see it coming. 

 

I am shocked .../sarc

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:38 | 4995927 Escrava Isaura
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villainvomit... Shocked,

So what do you make of this:

Simon Black: "To be fair, people throw around the word socialism a lot. They’ll say “Obama’s a socialist” or something like that. Often it’s taken to exaggeration."

Please help me here.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:53 | 4996005 nightshiftsucks
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I'll help you ,Get on your knee's open your mouth and open wide for my Benelli.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:09 | 4996068 ebworthen
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If Obama were really a Socialist he would have arrested half of Wall Street and enacted National Healthcare that put insurance companies out of business and had price controls on Corporate Hospitals and Big Pharma.

And he would have gotten us out of the Middle East completely.

And...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:13 | 4996975 Richard Chesler
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That there are still common folk who contnue to support this corrupt miserable piece of miserable shit must be one of the greatest tributes to human stupidity.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:37 | 4995939 scrappy
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Actually Socialism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Crony Capitalism equally suck ass.

http://geoeconomic.wordpress.com

Individual Freedom and the commons (Society)  are accounted for in this model.

 

               That's why they erased Henry George, it's too fair and too moral.

             How they erased him. http://www.politicaleconomy.org/gaffney.htm

 

HENRY GEORGE AND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF CAPITALISM

by Dr. Robert V. Andelson

http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/Andelson_HGRC.html

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:40 | 4995949 Escrava Isaura
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scrappy,

You're killing us here.

Henry George?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:13 | 4996089 ebworthen
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Forget your Wheaties this morning?

A good breakfast always helps your day be better.

Bananas are good, lots of potassium - and a whole grain cereal with 2% milk.

And coffee, black.  You have to have at least two mugs of hot black coffee.  I recommend Folgers original roast or Chock Full O' Nuts.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:30 | 4996146 Escrava Isaura
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new ebworthen,

First: I need to read your posts more carefully.

Second: I don't eat grains.

Third: I was in the impression, maybe totally wrong, that Simon Black was an American Libertarian… Pro-business, contrary to Henry George, but more like the views of most hedgers.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:38 | 4996177 ebworthen
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No grains, man, sorry.  Gluten allergy?

I think Simon was saying that it's hard to pin Obama; what the hell does Obama stand for?  He says he's progressive which has a Socialist bent, but is buddies with Jamie Dimon and other crony Capitalists.

And the government bank using taxpayer dollars to form companies is pretty "Venezuala" (?). 

Thanks again.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:40 | 4996195 Escrava Isaura
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Gluten allergy?

No. I just don't like it. And never developed the habit for it.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:45 | 4996210 Escrava Isaura
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By the way,

There are some great points made here. And I agree with many. But the definitions and clichés are way off, in my opinion.

And making it way hard to understand... and to follow.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:01 | 4996512 Hugh_Jorgan
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Here we are again, debating the difference between textbook Socialism which involves way more sunshine and lollipops than mankind will EVER be able to muster and the reality of who socialists are in today's political environs. As EB said, Obama has a Socialist bent, he wants to collect as much of the producer's earnings as possible (aka American Middle class) and hand it out to those less... ahem, fortunate. Wherever and whomever they may be in the world. IMHO, in his naive mind, it is time for America to give it ALL back because our prosperity has been too lengthy and it was from ill-gotten gains to begin with. Despite this, however, he himself is a hardcore hedonist and corruptocrat like the vast majority of his "successful" Socialist & Communist forebears. It is ok for HIM to trip the life fantastic, because he is forcing many others to give back what really isn't theirs anyway. Remember, "you didn't build that...". He seems to fail to understand what tyranny means as well, obviously.

Personally, I like the term Statist more and more, because it describes all of the government-grower political types, GOP and DNC alike, which need to be purged from office ASAP. Even then, we as a people will need to adopt some common moral code that we can all live by, otherwise we will be back in trouble before long. With great freedom comes great responsibility. Americans abandoned our responsibility and now we are losing our freedom.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 01:58 | 4996879 FreedomGuy
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Yes, "Statists" is the best term we have and it properly puts communists, fascists and even democratic socialists all on the same side of the spectrum. Otherwise, I find myself getting into the terminology twists with related terms like "liberal" which historically is a positive term. However, you have to differentiate into classical liberals like the founding fathers of the USA with modern liberals who are liberal on about two social issues and otherwise statists.

Freedom takes intelligence, self control and vigilance. Those have been abandones for their opposites and the sweet lies of collectivism.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:47 | 4997388 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The economic system is socialist but not textbook. They are Fabians in the main and the Fabians have a thing called the third way. Third way Socialism involves government regulation but allows for private ownership and profits at the same time. They want all the trappings of wealth through faux private ownership while controlling everything at the same time using corporations to crowd out competition and government regulation to keep any contenders they don't want in the game out.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:22 | 4996126 TheRedScourge
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Surprisingly, I have to agree here, but only in that Georgism will simply not work. Nothing that involves trying to manipulate prices or the actions of others ever will in the long run. It's all central planning in the end, and if people are stupid enough to need central planners, well the central planners are going to be stupid too.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:23 | 4996133 Winston Churchill
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The drummer  for Sore Throat ?, or was it Bad Manners ?

Johny Rotten was more fun at party's though, except for the burns he left in my new carpet.

Oh wait ,I forget the blood stains in the loo.

Damn, I thought I had forgotten that decade,with self inflicted brain damage.

What were we talking about again ?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:28 | 4996377 scrappy
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Rentier thieves, UNEARNED INCOME, now do you get it ?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:39 | 4996430 putaipan
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YOURE FUCKIN'FREAKIN' RIGHT HENRY GEORGE !!!! SHOW ME A WAY INTO THE FUTURE THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE HENRY GEORGE AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IT IS BLIGHTED AND CURSED BY ECONOMIC SLAVERY

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:29 | 4996371 scrappy
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Please excuse the typo.

http://geoeconomics.wordpress.com

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:11 | 4995812 ekm1
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Nonsense and stupidity.

 

USA is already 80% communist, EU and Canada are 90% communist.

 

Workers are not interested to own anything since everything is guaranteed.

If out of work, no problem. Food stamps and government housing.

 

Congress is simply trying to make work out of nothing, so they look busy

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:15 | 4995828 fonzannoon
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ekm how do you reconcile this with your theory that there is no one in the market anymore?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/ira-contributions-hit-record-hi...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:18 | 4995845 ekm1
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Easy answer

If only those funds were allowed in the market with a defined normal leverage of not more than 10x,12x, then Dow would be not higher than 8k now.

 

That money has no power to push Dow higher than 8k.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:21 | 4995856 fonzannoon
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who knows I guess, but don't be surprised to see those contributions continue, and the multiple on the S&P continue to expand and push the S&P much higher. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:22 | 4995867 ekm1
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Some who work are saving money. That money will go somewhere.

It has absolutely no power to push Dow higher 1 single point over 8k

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:24 | 4995880 fonzannoon
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I'm sure they are not complaining about how the other 9k on the dow came about. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:27 | 4995891 ekm1
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They don't know better. 

Concept of stock and flow doesn't go into their minds, like cash flow.

 

They're not going to sell and they are living worse then before because they are not spending.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:06 | 4996054 espirit
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Delusion B, rather than Plan B.

Plan B requires interminable suffering after I run out of ammo.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:29 | 4996148 NoDebt
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I gave you a greenie, EKM, because I always up-vote insanity in it's raw, natural form.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:48 | 4995981 Urban Redneck
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That's not how money or markets work.

That smaller volume of money can could take the Dow to 100,000 and keep it there, in a vacuum.

The DJ US Tot Market Index has a capitalizaion of 23.8 trillion as of EOQ. At the same time M2 is only 11.35 trillion.

Money doesn't go "to" the stock market, it goes "through" the stock market. Market valuation is simply a reflection of the level at which money most recently passed on its way to the next transaction.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:54 | 4996004 ekm1
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Markets no longer work because they no longer exist.

Market now is simply a network of computers wherein the fastest players with the fastest equipment succeed to mark up digits up or down.

 

It is basically a videogame in a literal sense.

Not much money needed or the way it is going, no money needed at all, just credits on computers, like a videogame.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:22 | 4996581 bag holder
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The multiplayer video game currencies have actually been readily convertible with USD for many years. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:00 | 4996033 ekm1
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But yes, that is correct, Reserves (money) goes THROUGH the stock market, through bonds market etc

Money goes one way and securities flow the counter-way

That is correct

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:25 | 4995883 ekm1
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Financial system nowadays is a network of computers where the fastest players succeed to mark digits up or down.

 

No actual money needed. The market is now simply a videogame, in a literal sense.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:33 | 4995916 Greenskeeper_Carl
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We'll we'll. look who's back.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:44 | 4995964 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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WHere have you been? We did not lose a Primary Dealer although your analysis was spot one. Think we lose one in the next few months?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:50 | 4995989 ekm1
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Thank you, humbled. Took one year off.

 

Events can be predicted with systematic analysis, their timing cannot, because trigger depends on people making decisions. 

 

Clearly BNP paribas, Barclays and now Deutschebank seem to be candidates for Sacrificial Lambs

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:02 | 4996295 ThroxxOfVron
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"If only those funds were allowed in the market with a defined normal leverage of not more than 10x,12x, then Dow would be not higher than 8k now.

 

That money has no power to push Dow higher than 8k."

 

What is 'normal leverage'?  For that matter, isn't leverage itself in many ways the source of the problem?

How much naked shorting is good naked shorting?  

Just currency value or securities, intellectual properties, real estate, populations...?

 

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:25 | 4996369 ekm1
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It's all about size.

I'd say a maximum of 10x leverage is good for the economy to allow affordable lending.

 

Naked short - must be banned

Naked Swaps-must be banned

Naked Derivatives-must be banned

Banks owning industry-must be banned

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:04 | 4996963 Ghordius
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size matters, yes. excellent banning manifesto. oligopolies must be banned, too. you can't have free markets and oligopolies at the same time. it does not matter how much the oligarchs try to sell oligopolistic setups as "free" and "freedom", they aren't so

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:16 | 4995831 knukles
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Uh I read it as Congress is trying to make nothing of work.
Imagine a whole economy based upon EBT cards, Section 8 vouchers, free ObamaCare and a totalitarian overlord smashing free thought and speech.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:21 | 4995857 ekm1
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The whole economy is almost based on EBT cards

Large insolvent corporations receive government EBT.

They wouldn't exist without government "demand", meaning 'redistribution' by money creation.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:12 | 4996336 monad
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SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE!!! (you bastards!)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:08 | 4996057 logicalman
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All these labels are so vague they are meaningless.

Socialist means many different things to many different people - it's just an easy button to press to get a reaction from people who choose not to think.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:10 | 4996076 A Nanny Moose
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Can we pay them to just leave?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:23 | 4996132 TheRedScourge
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More accurately, US is 60% communist and 80% fascist, Canada is 70% communist and 40% fascist, EU is 90% communist and 75% fascist.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:11 | 4995814 TeamDepends
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Your private property are belong to us.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:13 | 4995822 logicalman
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Private property????

What have you been smoking???

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:45 | 4995972 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Private stash????

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:11 | 4995815 BidnessMan
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For the right price, my company is for sale

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:05 | 4996522 DoChenRollingBearing
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Take your payment in gold or other hard assets.  I would.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:28 | 4996758 ThroxxOfVron
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Sorry, Bidness; I already sold it.   That's how FraudnessMan rolls.

My homie BanksterMan just writes me up the credit leverage in a snap...

I buys your company as if I actually had something to do it with...

You get the monies I did nothing for and I get the company You placed your labor, time and capital into to build!

That's how FraudnessMan rolls, yo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Fc9zaB-s8

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:12 | 4995816 FrenchRevolutionary
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This is to unload overvalued companies onto the working class before the system collapses.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:20 | 4995860 Skateboarder
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You mean to say all the recent IPOs?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:51 | 4995998 Greenskeeper_Carl
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You are right in a way, except the way this is set up, it's the American taxpayer that's getting this unloaded on. This is taxpayer funded, tax payer backed, so we are all on the hook, rather we are will participants or not. The only ones who win in this one is those who own these companies now, and can offload them on the ta payer at a full retard type valuation.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:57 | 4996022 mc888
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Bingo. Companies are already driving themselves into Chapter 11 just to buy back their own shares. They need more bagholders once the overvalued equities go zero bid.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:43 | 4996206 tomlamon
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Once their equities higher they will sell their shares and will buy back lower corp bonds when rates move up. Easy trade when easy FED money.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:42 | 4996207 tomlamon
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Once their equities higher they will sell their shares and will buy back lower corp bonds when rates move up. Easy trade when easy FED money.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:17 | 4995818 Otto Zitte
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:13 | 4995819 Yen Cross
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    So basically a giant subprime SBA on roids?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:22 | 4995863 Otto Zitte
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No, a fire sale to the rottenfellers worldwide sitting on the TARP and closest to the printers. Screw the owners into the ground, force them to sell at gunpoint to "the minorities" at way overvalue prices, then screw "the minorities" and hoover up whats left at pennies on the dollar, grinding all goy into dust.  

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:14 | 4995823 tomlamon
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This is the german system of capitalism. The most viable system of capitalism in the world today. Large share of profits are distributed to contributing/owner employees and less goes to the oligarch on the top. Yes. this is not the country i grew up in . I might not have to commit suicide at age 65 not to be burden to my children.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:30 | 4995901 Harbanger
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Yep, In socialist Germany they're called worker self management and co-determination laws.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:22 | 4996986 Ghordius
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does it scare you that it works? yes, in Germany workers get one third of the board of director's seats. lo and behold, it makes them more involved in the company

add to this that we are talking in the majority of the cases of small and medium businesses which are often family-owned and where the external funding is done through banking business loans instead of "financial markets" peddling stocks and bonds... and you get a very familiar atmosphere

of course, if you define capitalism as the Wet Dream of Wall Street, then Germany is socialist, and I'm a socialist entrepreneur (lol)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 04:26 | 4997036 Harbanger
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If their socialism worked so well they wouldn't have needed a bailout from the US in 2008.  Think about it, they'd be bankrupt already.  Now it's a matter of how soon.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:08 | 4997163 Ghordius
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Harbanger, now you are conflating that international monstrosity megabank called Deutsche Bank with the German economy, aren't you?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:57 | 4996023 Uncle Remus
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Germans still have work ethic, a functioning manufacturing base and the associated skilled labor pool. Americans, not so much.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:05 | 4996045 Harbanger
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They also have the most time off which I don't see lasting for much longer.  Spain and Germany are giving 34 days of paid leave each year. Italy and France guarantee 31 days of paid vacation, and Belgium 30.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:16 | 4996977 Ghordius
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what if workers produce more and - something that is often forgotten, better and smarter - if they have more vacations?

Germans seem to be quite successful with their vacations. hell, even the Nazis under Hitler were all for clearing the minds and bodies with vacations & travel, see  "Strength_Through_Joy"

too little vacation, and many workers start to behave like obsessed or mindless less productive robots. an experience I personally made very often as entrepreneur

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:17 | 4995830 logicalman
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A world where the people producing shit own their workplace rather than being paid a pittance and taxed to death for the criminal elites?

Sounds good to me.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for lazy bastards who want others to do the work so they don't have to. That's one of the reasons I hate government.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:44 | 4995947 Harbanger
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See how easy it is to sell people on global communism?  And you're "logical".

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:51 | 4995997 NoPension
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It's only fair. Like price controls and anti- gouging laws.

/s

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:56 | 4996014 Harbanger
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People hypnotized by the MSM I could understand falling for the leftist fairness meme, but people on ZH I would expect to be a little more awake.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:58 | 4996273 logicalman
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Yes, I am.

I guess you struggle with reading comprehension.

Can't help you with that, sorry.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:18 | 4995848 The_Dude
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MOAR free money....pile in kids....

Remember....first ones in have first shot at embezzling fund and defaulting before the clueless bureacrats figure out what is going on!  

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:19 | 4995849 Cabreado
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"It’s the TREND that is so important to pay attention to."

That is truth, Mr. Black... and why I have argued that attention must first be directed at Congress, as all else is fluff coming from self-interest or ignorance.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:20 | 4995851 Racer
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OSEOBA

Translate: I command you as

oBOMBer

to OBEY

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:20 | 4995852 DaveA
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This may be something even worse than socialism, something called "anarcho-syndicalism":

http://mises.org/daily/5590/AnarchoSyndicalism-A-Recipe-for-Ruin

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:21 | 4995861 flysofree
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And this is supposed to be legislation out US Congress? Simon, you are an idiot, there is no way in hell that US Congress would even contemplate such progressive legislation unless it's to help offload bankrupt enterprises.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:26 | 4995886 B2u
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http://esoppartners.com/blog/bid/198359/S-2411-United-States-Employee-Ow...

It was originally proposes in 2012.  Here it is again in 2014.  

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:33 | 4995918 flysofree
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Bernie Sanders? My computer mouse has more influence.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:35 | 4995926 Tulpa
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Bernie Sanders introduces it every other year and it never even gets out of committee.  Black should be more clear about the fact that it's one useful idiot who's behaving like a Randian villain, not the entire Congress.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:16 | 4996731 ejmoosa
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Have you seen the crap coming out of Congress the last 6 years?

Frank-Dodd

Obamacare

It has indeed been the majority of Congress behind this crap.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:49 | 4995988 Harbanger
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Bipartisan consensus as usual between Repub-neocons and Dem-progressives.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:22 | 4995862 tomlamon
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This is the german system of capitalism. The most viable system of capitalism in the world today. Large share of profits are distributed to contributing/owner employees and less goes to the oligarch on the top. Yes. this is not the country i grew up in . I might not have to commit suicide at age 65 not to be burden to my children.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:39 | 4995945 Tulpa
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Most business owners in the US aren't oligarchs, deutschbag.  While B.O. is doing his damnedest to destroy small and medium business in this country, he's got a long way to go.

Why the heck would I start a business in the German system?  Where's the creative destruction going to come from?  You may be technically right because free market capitalism is essentially extinct in the world, but free markets beat that system any day.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:54 | 4995990 tomlamon
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Free markets will bring your wages down to the Chinese who could never move out of feudalism without knocking off the west. Western markets must be defended and isolated from the 3rd world. Was Ronald reagan a good president? Look where we ended up? The FED creating free credit for big corporations so they can buy their own  stock up after issuing low cost debt. National Socialism is the only way to go or not just Smith Field Food but everything else will be sold out by our corrupt politicians

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:54 | 4995991 tomlamon
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.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:16 | 4996097 Harbanger
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Best point yet.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:46 | 4996226 WillyGroper
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deutschbag?

 

bwhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:26 | 4996991 Ghordius
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"Why the heck would I start a business in the German system?  Where's the creative destruction going to come from?"

creative destruction happens moar in small and medium businesses, less in giant megacorporations with huge interests which call in political and monetary support

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:22 | 4995868 dwayne elizando
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Why not just allow a truly free economy so they can buy it, if they're ambitious enough, on their own? Stupid ass unions haven't even figured out how to do this yet!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:22 | 4995874 Kantbelieveit
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Those poor socialist Germans! Nobody wants to buy their shoddy cars and inferior industrial equipment. How can such an overpaid and lazy workforce be competitive? They actually take low-achieving high schools kids and put them in apprenticeship programs with guaranteed jobs, instead of throwing them in the dumpster, the way we do in the hyper-efficient, exceptional USA.

Maybe someday those Germans will get to be as smart as we are and discard 1/4 of their young people. Maybe they will concentrate wealth into the hands of a set of billionaire soiopaths who buy  politicians for chump change. We can only hope.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:26 | 4995889 tomlamon
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You have been watching to much FOX and CNN. Please visit Germany and learn the truth.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:30 | 4995903 logicalman
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I think he just thought the /sarc tag was unneccessary (at least I hope so!)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:42 | 4995954 flysofree
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I am pretty sure that the poster was being sarcastic. I think that he agrees with your post.

 

As for me, I think that non-racist national socialism is the most efficient and fair economic system. In addition to Germany, look at Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:43 | 4995957 johnberesfordti...
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Employees owning companies… what socialist crap. Ayn Rand lit up another cigarette and popped another Benzedrine tab whenever it was mentioned. We all know that employees are a bunch of moochers and parasites. When given the chance they will always confiscate and destroy the wealth created by the Übermensch such as John Galt. They are despicable rats. OK. Maybe, on occasion, a few of them may be able to get something done- http://www.nceo.org/articles/employee-ownership-100

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:00 | 4996283 logicalman
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Fuck Ayn Rand and whatever mode of transport delivered it.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:44 | 4995968 Tulpa
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While I agree about diverting academically subpar kids into apprenticeship/trade school, I'm skeptical of whether the German economy could perform this well while bearing the full burden of its own defense.  Don't underestimate the drag on the US economy that playing world policeman creates.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:21 | 4996121 Harbanger
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Yep, The Germans saved a tremendous amount of money that they funneled into their welfare state programs.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:31 | 4995887 One And Only
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Uh...how about this Simon -

Your children don't belong to you. They belong to the state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

You think this is socialism? Try Communism - it's the only entree on the menu. Unfortunately we already know how this dish tastes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:28 | 4995897 Dublinmick
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There is a concerted effort to bring the old satanist Ayn Rand out of moth balls. Let us set the record straight.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.fr/2014/03/satanists-in-louisiana-california-a...

Alan Greenspan

Alan Greenspan attended Bohemian Grove one month before he was appointed chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Greenspan's Goblins Bohemian Grove is said to be a summer camp for top Satanists.
Ayn Rand

In the early 1950s, Alan Greenspan began an association with the novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand.[44], also known as Alisa Rosenbaum.
Ayn Rand’s first love and mentor was a sadistic serial killer who dismembered little girls. ATLAS SHRIEKED: Ayn Rand's First Love and Mentor.

Ayn rand said the individual should "exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself."[98]

She supported Israel in the Arab-Israeli War of 1973, describing the Israelis as "civilized men fighting savages".[74]

Mother Jones remarked that "Rand's particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed".[167]

The Nation alleged similarities between Rand's ideas and fascism.[174]

The Satanist Anton LaVey has acknowledged that his brand of Satanism was "just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added."

The Fountainhead of Satanism | First Things

Anton LaVey was born in Chicago, allegedly to a Jewish family.

Anton LaVey founded the 'Church of Satan'.

General Aquino.

"LaVey's most famous associate was the US National Security Agency's General Michael Aquino.

"At the time of his membership in LaVey's group Aquino was an Army specialist in intelligence and psychological warfare."

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:33 | 4995919 logicalman
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You've obvioulsly done some serious research.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:55 | 4996011 Econophile
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Yup, the last time I was at Bohemian Grove there were satanists everywhere disguised as Bambi, little kids, and a group of elderly gentlemen who obviously were praising satan when they were singing "When she comes 'round the mountain ..."

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:20 | 4996357 Dublinmick
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You sound more like the low end type who just steal babies off the street.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:00 | 4996509 putaipan
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yeah well...bob weir likes it. that says it all to me.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:07 | 4996053 kchrisc
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I really don't understand the great embrace of Rand's fiction when there are so many non-fiction books from the likes of Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, Bastiat, Hoppe, Jefferson, Block...

I personally don't want to be like Galt. I desire to be me and free.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:31 | 4996162 shovelhead
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I like Ayn Rand because she makes Socialists and collectivists froth at the mouth and gibber incoherently.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:02 | 4996291 logicalman
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I think it's more likely that you are incapable of independent thought.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:02 | 4996294 kchrisc
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That's good, and Rand is better than no thought provoking material on Liberty.

However, if Rand can make 'em "froth at the mouth," Bastiat and Rothbard can make 'em bleed from the eyes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:31 | 4995904 buzzsaw99
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all worked up over a bill that died in the senate last year and even if enacted would cost a measly half a billion per year? damn, is that the best example you've got? I can think of corporate welfare cases that cost a thousand times as much. i can also think of ninety something senators scummier than sanders.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:31 | 4995907 Tulpa
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This sounded pretty heinous and Mr. Black seemed very miserly on detail, so I Googled the name of this bill.  Long story short, it was proposed by self-labeled Socialist Bernie Sanders in 2009 and never came up for a vote.  Yep, that's three Congresses ago.  This is the least of my worries.

Must be a slow news day at the Black residence.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 20:40 | 4995948 David Wooten
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It was re-introduced June 2 but has an estimated 0% chance of passing.

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