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Rebels Shoot Down Two Ukraine Fighter Jets, Defense Ministry Reports - Video Coverage

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At this point it is beyond any one (or countless number of) human beings to distinguish truth from lies from epic propaganda, so we won't even try. Here is the latest relevant news that just crossed the stream from Ukraine's defense ministry. From Bloomberg:

  • REBELS DOWN 2 UKRAINIAN FIGHTER PLANES TODAY, IFX REPORTS
  • REBELS DOWN SU-25 FIGHTERS IN DONETSK REGION: DEFENSE MINISTRY

More from Reuters: Pro-Russian rebels have shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets, a spokesman for Ukraine's military operations said on Wednesday. The spokesman said the two were downed near Savur Mogila in eastern Ukraine. No details were known about the pilots.

And from the WSJ:

Pro-Russian separatists shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets Wednesday over a town close to where Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.17% Flight 17 crashed last week, a Ukrainian defense ministry spokesman said.

 

Two SU-25 planes were brought down near the town of Saur-Mogila, which sits close to the Russian border and is 20 kilometers (12 miles) from Torez, where the civilian jet was brought down last Thursday, the spokesman said.

 

The alleged shoot-down of the jets would mark the first time a plane has been brought down over Ukraine since the crash.

 

The spokesman said the army dispatched a team to the scene to establish the exact circumstances of the downing of the jets. Rebels didn't immediately comment

As a reminder, it was the same Ukraine which hours before the MH17 crash insisted that a Russian fighter jet had downed a Ukraine warplane, a story which promptly disappeared once Russia rejected it as idiotic and once the much more severe fallout from the MH17 disaster hit.

Somehow we have a feeling this is merely yet another attempt by Ukraine to keep the pressure on the rebels now that the international response to MH17 has been muted by nearly 100% following Europe's complete inability to agree on what if any sanctions should be imposed on Putin, and the US state department presenting evidence of Russian involvement that can best be described as laughable.

An alleged clip of the Su-25 downing:

 

 

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Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:49 | 4992092 Momauguin Joe
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Fight the good fight my Novorussian brothers. The Petrodollar Hegemon won't die easy.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:02 | 4992128 Kamath
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Yup, let's hope the regime in Kiev really lost another two Su-25's. Excellent news if confirmed.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:07 | 4992146 svayambhu108
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The 2 Su-25 that downed MH-17 ? Instant karma

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:19 | 4992185 SheepRevolution
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Well it's quite obvious now the the US will do everything and anything in order to start a full-scale war in Ukraine. I couldn't possibly imagine that it would have something to do with 1) the coming stock-market crash and 2) Germany not willing to take side with the US and put sanctions against Russia (which in turn puts even more pressure on the US Dollar)... Right?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:23 | 4992197 Wolferl
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The Ukrainians still have fighter jets?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:27 | 4992205 dlmaniac
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Tell them to shoot civilian planes down instead, damn it. Gold bulls need a boost fast.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:39 | 4992236 svayambhu108
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That would be a hashtag that a 3rd grade retard fat face would come with.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:04 | 4992305 SamAdams
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My "strong assessment" is that this is "in fact true", based on my "very strong assessment", supported by "social media evidence"... in my thinking and believing.

All good until the Ukes show up in F-16's.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:17 | 4992335 lakecity55
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"F-16s" will crash and burn vs. Russian Antiaircaft Superiority.

Other than creating boondoggles like the "F-35" another USSA fantasy, Russia has been building real stuff while the USSA blows its dough on illegal aliens, from the border to PA Avenue!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:29 | 4992401 Latina Lover
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And the President of the USSA spends more time blowing Reggie than anything else, likely including playing golf.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:30 | 4992414 Latina Lover
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It's also time for the Kiev Kriminal Junta to launch another false flag, since ML17 just didn't cut it due to bad planning and over the top media hysteria. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:34 | 4992433 svayambhu108
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Hello! The downvote guys just came in. [Rolling tapes ...]

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:06 | 4992600 Latina Lover
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Attention, Attention! Now we have incontrovertible proof of Putin's involvement presented by a former military leader of the Free world:

 

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/USevidenceMH17.jpg

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:24 | 4992705 BaBaBouy
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Putin Did It, Putin Did It, Rah Rah Rah...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:37 | 4992758 tonyw
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and i'll bet the fighter jets were flying at 32,000 feet just like the Malaysian plane so more "proof" the wicked freedom fighters absolutely must have done it.

quick, cue "patriotic" chants of USA, USA before anyone questions other proof we had, like WMD, chemical weapons in Syria..

For national security reasons this question can only be answered in a classified, closed session and you're not invite.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 13:33 | 4993824 SamAdams
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That was my thought as well...

For those who missed the point, when I said F16, I was implying that a lack of aerial resources may provide the substantiation for the banker's US gov't to send "non-lethal" assistance.  As you know, planes don't kill people, people kill people.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:38 | 4992781 Patriot Eke
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The SU-25's are low flying air to ground attack aircraft.  They were almost certainly downed by MANPADS.  Those two facts do not matter to the zombies though.  They will process the new information as follows:

They just shot down two more jets just like MH17.  OMFG, let's go in there and kill them all!!!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:48 | 4992824 strannick
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On further analysis the video footages were discovered to have been ripped from "Call of duty"

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:18 | 4993002 hungarianboy
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LOL that image. muhahahaa

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:39 | 4993132 HyperinflatmyNutts
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that pic says it all. I am still laughing +100

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:40 | 4993137 barre-de-rire
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LOL !

 

we must spread this one over the world.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:50 | 4993200 PoliticalRefuge...
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..incontrovertible proof of Putin's involvement..

..das' raycyst!!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:17 | 4992993 hungarianboy
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BREAKING UPDATE**

 

According to the Junta's the jets where downed by shots from Russian territory.

Couldn't they shoot more? Junta's should STFU.

 

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:06 | 4992605 Utah_Get_Me_2
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While I agree on the USSA blowing dough like it's going out of style (because it is), I wouldn't under estimate the Deep State and it's top secret aircraft. The mere fact that the development of the F-35 is so public should have inquiring minds wanting to know "Why?" While I don't claim to know, I wouldn't be surprised if all those billions weren't really being spent on another aircraft entirely, one that is not a highly public boondoggle, one that can probably exit the atmosphere.  

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 13:16 | 4993780 COSMOS
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They blew so much money on it they couldnt hide it.  Unless maybe they had plans to 'crash' another plane into the Pentagon to destroy records.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:06 | 4992310 Thought Processor
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So..........   what are the chances that these are the same two jets that were tailing MH-17.  

And is it possible that they shot an air to air form their operating ceiling limit (which wikipedia says is 23-25,000 ft) to 33,000 ft where the airliner was?  

Anyone have any knowledge of air to air missile ranges for the type of air to air missile the SU-25 would likely be carrying?  Could it have made it up to 33,000 ft from 23,000 ft?

 

Would fit in to why Kiev repeatedly ordered the plane to go to a lower altitude.  Perhaps they couldn't reach it if it was higher.  

 

Then in order to clean up loose ends (to a fabricated story that is falling apart) they send the pilots up and shoot them down, blaming the seperatists. 

 

Hmmmmmm.............

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:35 | 4992441 Luckhasit
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If any of those planes had a payload, no way they are hitting their ceiling limit. 

Range of those missles, the kh-29 is 5-16 miles while the later version can travel up 16 miles.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:40 | 4992474 tvdog
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Yep, clean up the evidence. Reminds me of the helicopter crash that killed Seal Team 6, after they had supposedly killed Osama Bin Laden (who died in a Pakistani hospital in 2001).

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:07 | 4992924 gcjohns1971
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He didn't die in a Pakistani hospital in 2001.

He died while being chaufferred from outside Kandahar to a border crossing near Spin Boldak in March of 2002.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:46 | 4992506 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

 

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.

 

MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4992329 lakecity55
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So, you know Jen Psaki?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:42 | 4992468 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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While we are still waiting for the publication of the Ukranian ATC communication, I have the following questions for Kiev:

In the background article from Reuters dated 17th July 2014 it says:

"In a previous attack on a military transporter, which it said was launched from Russia, Kiev was unable to specify whether it came from landbased missiles or airborne."

While the headline stated clearly: "Russian jets shoot down Ukrainian warplane over Ukraine - Kiev military"

The actual text is vague: "The Ukrainian Defence Ministry said the plane was brought down on Wednesday night near Amvrosiyivka, about 15 km (about 9 milles) from the border with Russia, by rockets which hit it in the tail as it wheeled away from the border. "It is likely that this was carried out by air-to-air rockets from the Russian airforce which were patrolling the border in a pair," the ministry said in a statement on its website."

A separate incidents was described like this: "Kiev has said that an An-26 military transporter was brought down last Monday probably by a missile fired from Russia, either from the air or from the ground."

Question: On the 17th July 2014, when it became clear that MH17 had crashed the Ukrainian Officials was extraordinarily quick to publish specific information that pro-russian rebels had shot down the airliner using a ground-to-air BUK missile battery stationed somewhere inside rebel territory. Can the governemt provide proof for these precise allegations, when it is clear that just hours before on the same day, Ukranian Officials were unable to specify the precise origin of missiles that had shot down an AN-26 on the 14 July and the alleged shoot down of a Ukranian fighter jet. In the same background article it is stated that 4 rockets exploded near Kuybyshevo, fired from the Ukranian side, and the Ukrainian Officials claim that Ukranian positions came under heavy fire during those 24 hours with artillery fire also from Kuybyshevo. So they are shooting at each other. However, the artcle specifically mentions a Ukranian paratroop tactical group deployed at Dmytrivka that came under particular heavy fire. We know that paratroopers are generally elite troops used for sting operations behind enemy lines and we know that paratrooper units generally have more advanced equipment available at their disposal than regular canon-fodder troops, and we know that the Ukrainian Military has BUK batteries in the arsenal. Question: During the recent Russian 10 questions presentation, the Russian alledged to have proof of a Ukranian BUK battery near rebel held territory. This allegation was supported by satelite images, which I do not claim to be able to read, but they were provided, Given that these paratroopers came under particular hard fire in Dmytrivka suggesting particular importance - at a location only approx. 10 KM FROM SNIZHNE, where the US powerpoint slide claims the culprit (rebel) BUK battery was stationed, can Kiev provide proof that these paratroopers were not accompanied by a missile launching capability able to reach 10.000 meters altitude? Final comment - there appeared to be feverish activity in the morning of 17th July in small geografical circle that is made up by Kuybyshevo, Amvrosiyivka, Snizhne and Dmytrivka. If the rebels and the Russians were aware of the presence of Ukrainian paratroopers and potentially advanced Ukrainian missile gear (presented in "10 russian questions" to be "near" Donesk) plus Ukrainian fighter jets - one of which was claimed to be shot down by air-to-air missile with subsequent Russian denial but no proof. Why? If Russia was trying to prevent a setup for a potential false flag and/or shoot down of Russian Military aircrafts patrolling the border region on the Russian side (recalling that the rebels do not have their own airforce and hence cannot be the target for the Ukrainian BUKs), why are they not willing to disclose this to the public?    
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:57 | 4992876 gcjohns1971
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Every side says what is convenient to them, that they believe will help their position.

Nothing they say can be accepted as reflecting their knowledge or lack thereof.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:36 | 4993120 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Of course. But that should not stop anyone from asking questions and pointing out inconsistencies. When pressure is continued, mistakes are and will be made, and a picture may emerge and clarify from the "convenient statements" even if they themselves do not represent the truth. There is a western world news black-out and cover-up in progress. The Russians have not cried bloody murder at the handover of the black boxes to the UK, so presumably Russia is now participating or at least accepting in the black-out. The whole thing seems to be laid to rest without any credible answers.

I know - nothing new there - but the blogosphere, alternative media and regular people should continue to be all over this whole stinking affair like an ant hill with a flagpole jammed into it!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:42 | 4992248 Tao 4 the Show
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As the plot thickens, it seems the question of why the Malaysian air flight was flying over a war zone has been quite effectively swept under the rug.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:33 | 4992392 Oracle of Kypseli
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I am thinking Putin has the proof that Ukraine took it down and he calls Obama and gives him an out before he reveals and puts egg in Obamaa's face. Next thing you know, overnight the US changes the tune that it must have been downed by mistake due to new info, without saying what info.

I am thinking that the two alleged downed Russian made Ukrainian planes can be perhaps hacked and disabled by Russia while flying, or the Ukrainians sacrificially downed some older ones to either get NATO equipment and/or to prove that the rebels do have the ability to down them.

Most important is the propaganda war, but too many people, too many eyes, too many blogs. The moving vehicle allegedly in East Ukraine ended up being Ukrainian territory from the shop in the back and the billboard.

EDIT: What happened to Carlos? Anyone from Spain that knows him?

 

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:50 | 4992527 tvdog
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His full name was posted here yesterday. Apparently he gave it out on his Twitter account back in 2013, and somebody found it on the Wayback Machine.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:16 | 4992659 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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I don't remember the poster (c.... de oure or something) but h/t to him. the name posted was José Carlos barrios Sánchez. 

Yes, Where is he? 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:43 | 4992807 r0mulus
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unfortunately probably being "interrogated" in kazakhstan somewhere.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 12:31 | 4993492 FeralSerf
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Why not Poland?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:57 | 4992555 BlindMonkey
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These are not the first 2 SU-25s shot down.  I can see the Ukraine playing for more gear but I am not sure that is a good play.  From what I have read the SU-25 is a lot more survivable than a F-16.  The SU-25 is more like an A-10 than F-16.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:01 | 4992297 MsCreant
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Sorry, in that scenario gold and silver tank and stocks go up! In every scenraio stocks go up. Too infinity and beyond. I keep asking if they use Torrent to print these days. They probably have more advanced, warp speed printing. They are probably printing so much that they are printing beyond the speed of light and reversing time itself. The Fed will own the whole time space continuum. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:17 | 4992988 karutzar
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Don't know about jets, but soon they'll be short of pilots. :)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 13:19 | 4993800 COSMOS
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These mofos eject.  Their cabin is made of titanium and can take a shell from a 20mm canon I think.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:32 | 4992209 lakecity55
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Well, if you look at how Niggerbama* has fucked and continues to fuck anything that would help the American People, you have to assume he would care even less about furriners.

 

*Yes, I used the "N-Word." Why? Because where I grew up, any Black Man who ditched his family, screwed over his afro brothers, was a criminal, fucked off and never worked, or did not obey the law like normal folks of any race, was a Nigger. I also hate low-rent YTs, who are properly called white trash. Oh, and by the way, I personally have 10% African American blood, so fuck off, liberal honkies.

 

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:48 | 4992260 Oracle of Kypseli
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So then you are like many of us. We don't discriminate, we hate everyone equally

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:01 | 4992287 lakecity55
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Correct.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:34 | 4992434 Latina Lover
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And through our 'hatred' of each other(divide and conquer), the elites continue to control us.  This is why they win.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:36 | 4992450 freedogger
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What's a color got to do with it? People of any race that act that way are simply shit heads. Or shitiots, shitternaughts, captain shitaculars, shitniks, shitlers, shit rats, shit puppets

When a shit apple falls from a tree and grows up in a field of shit, it doesn't have any choice, they are going to grow up to be a shit apple tree, just like their father. And you can't change the spots on a shit leopard. They start out as little tiny shit larvae, and then they turn into shitapillars, its a pandemic of shitapillars. Then you end up with shit moths. Or they grow up as a little shit spark from the old shit flint then turn into a shit bonfire and then, driven by the winds of their monumental ignorance, they turn into a raging shit firestorm. Birds of a shit feather flock together. What's at work here is shit tectonics. When two shit plates strike and come together under incredible pressure, what happens, a shitquake!

The shit stormtroopers are coming. When you keep getting pelted by shit balls, you gotta get a shit bat. He who looks into the abyss realizes there's nothing looking back at him and the only thing he sees is his own shadow, the abyss, the shit abyss.

The shit clock's a tickin!

(with apologies to the trailer park boys)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:45 | 4992501 Global Hunter
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no apologies necessary, that was awesome! 

Does anybody know what LakeCity means by a low rent YT? 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:21 | 4992686 r00t61
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YT = slang for "whitey," i.e., a white person.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:10 | 4992633 Berspankme
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Lake city tellin it like it is. you sir are one of my favorite posters

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:21 | 4992360 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' are able to hate themselves up to what they hate on others?

Failure in self perception.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:44 | 4992808 ceilidh_trail
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AnAnonymous sees great job prospects in coming shit storm spoken of several posts above. He has much experience as sidewalk/street cleaner in cHinEEsE cities. He hears the song "moving on up" everytime he scoops up cHinEEsE poopballs on elevator floor. 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:22 | 4993024 Tom Terrific
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Exactly

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:31 | 4992420 AnAnonymous
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What does it mean to have 10 pc of this or that? It is not even power 2...

The 'american' people? A president in an 'american' society is elected to take of the 'american' middle class.

In what way it relates with "any Black Man who ditched his family, screwed over his afro brothers, was a criminal, fucked off and never worked, or did not obey the law like normal folks of any race, was a Nigger. I also hate low-rent YTs, who are properly called white trash. "?

'Americans' do not elect their servants to take care of those people other than by finding ways of farming them or extorting them.

How is the use of the word nigger justified then?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:45 | 4992816 ceilidh_trail
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Is AnAnon a cHinEEsE n@gger?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:33 | 4992421 Latina Lover
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Lakecity, please don't use the 'N' word to describe Obama. You are needlessly insulting N@ggers.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 12:12 | 4993360 PoliticalRefuge...
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so is the term white nigger ok?

I know there's a lot of white niggers.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:52 | 4993213 hungarianboy
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I hope the Hungarian PM won't support in any way. Not even with allowing troops over here or using our airspace.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:38 | 4992231 tony wilson
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clean up time

like seal team 6

this latest is cia getting rid of the 2 pilots that where involved in the boeing hit

yes no

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:46 | 4992256 TheReplacement
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+1 for that theory.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:59 | 4992284 lakecity55
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+ 1 moar.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:06 | 4992313 Thought Processor
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Yep.  It fits.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:32 | 4992390 svayambhu108
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You didn't make that #Obamination

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:50 | 4992267 lpierre1955
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good shot ! didn't think about that ...

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:05 | 4992306 Brit_Abroad
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My first thoughts as well.

Although maybe not so much karma as deliberate removal of possible winesses ?

Seal team six anyone ?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:28 | 4992406 Thought Processor
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Very likely, especially after the about face that just happened overnight.

 

They are eliminating all evidence.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:41 | 4992484 Bastiat
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Of they were given orders in flight, Russia has it recorded.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:13 | 4992647 tvdog
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Sounds plausible. Nobody knows whether MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile or by an air-to-air missile. If Russia has recordings of Ukraine giving its pilots orders to fire on the plane, that might convince the U.S. to back off a bit.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:31 | 4992417 mt paul
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with two

you get egg roll...

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:40 | 4992478 CuttingEdge
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I wonder if it was the same pilots who originally shadowed MH-17...

Good way to get rid of key witnesses CIA-style (thinking Zero Dark 30 here).

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:48 | 4992817 HardAssets
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The story comes out of Ukraine.

"It's obvious if the rebels took down our jets that they must have taken out MH17."

US headlines: " PROOF ! Putin Equipped Rebels Shoot Down 2 More Planes ! "

Or am I too cynical ?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 13:24 | 4993803 The_Dude
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Karma...or could it be Kiev/CIA getting rid of evidence by making their fighters 'disappeared'....

            'really, the hard drive crashed and we didn't have backup - anywhere'

                     the lies are compounding everywhere!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:29 | 4995648 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Clearly these planes being shot down are just another "flase flag" "cia-mossad" attempt by the nazis in Kiev to somehow blame the freedom fighters collectively referred to as "pro Russian".

SO lets see if we have got things straight: if a Ukrainian military aricraft is destroyed by AA missiles then the freedom fighters did it.

IF in the same area, these same AA missiles destroy a civilian aircraft, it was done by the CIA and Mossad or the Nazis in Kiev in an attempt to frame the freedom fighters.

AND only Putin hating racists would point out that 6 aircraft destroyed in the area of conflict, with freedom fighters using mass media to claim they did it for 5 of them, but one was done by the CIA, Nazis, or MOSSAD.

CLear as a bell to me, sorta like 6 people geting shot in Chicago by gang bangers , 5 of them killed by gang bangers and one was killed by the CIA, Nazis or MOSSAD. Even though all of them were killed with same caliber weapon and the casings match the firing pin.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:37 | 4996184 skepsis101
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dumbest rant I ever read!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:03 | 4992139 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

 

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.

 

MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:06 | 4992149 negative rates
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We're supposed to be comforted by this?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:44 | 4992499 CuttingEdge
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Think on the positive side - Biden Jr gets a director's job with a gas company that in all likelihood no longer has a supplier.

Must feel a right pillock about now.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:15 | 4992656 tvdog
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Damn. Biden's kid gets a cush job with a Ukrainian gas company, and Reid's son makes millions on a mining deal with the Chinese. I sure chose the wrong parents.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:46 | 4992819 robertsgt40
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Call me cynical.  Since the first false flag didn't fly, maybe two more will.  Lot at stake here folks.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:51 | 4992100 Shrapnel
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Ukraine's puppet Gov't probably shot these fighters down as well.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:07 | 4992150 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

 

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.

 

MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:08 | 4992152 cossack55
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I'm guessing a laser beam developed in someones basement in the free conclave of Kaliningrad.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:53 | 4992102 SofaPapa
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Don't see how it would help the Ukranians to lie about this.  This only gives the impression that they are weak and incapable of putting down the rebellion. How would it help them?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:08 | 4992129 BigJim
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Hey, if the rebels have the equipment to shoot down an agile, weaving fighter, of COURSE they could shoot down a defenceless, cruising airliner full of helpless civilians! And they're TERRORISTS, so they will if they can!

See how easy this is?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:07 | 4992141 BigJim
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(Also) The TERRORISTS are winning! They are equipped with Russian gear so of course they can shoot down our Russian planes! We need tip-top NATO aid and gear... or the TERRORISTS will win!

Of course, we won't know how to operate NATO gear, so we'll need NATO troops to operate it for us!

I wonder what online shilling for .gov pays these days... I hear they have really good bennies too, and the gold-plated pensions are (almost) sufficient recompense for the difficult work .gov workers do for society.

Hey Mossad! Hear me? I'm for sale!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:09 | 4992158 negative rates
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We are a war weary nation now and no amount of persuasion will change that feeling for the forseeable future.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:40 | 4992234 what's that smell
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american foreign policy for dummies:

1). event

2). shriek like hysterical girl-child

3). engage sockpuppets to shriek like hysterical girls

4). slander opposition as conpiracy theory

5). repeat shrieks until next event

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4992328 gmrpeabody
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Similar to the many comments here on ZH...

just saying.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:37 | 4992451 Spastica Rex
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Maybe more clenched-teeth-growly than shrieky.

Like right before a heart attack.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:16 | 4992183 lakecity55
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The new Russky stuff coming on line will smoke NATO jets.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:29 | 4992214 Wolferl
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Yep, S-400 Triumf is said to best in the world. And they have S-500 and S-1000 in the pipline already. Shooting down F-22s and F-35s will be like a round of skeet for them.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:45 | 4992247 thestarl
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Any of those F-35 lemons even operational yet?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:58 | 4992279 lakecity55
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They keep breaking down.

The USAF will soon revert to the F-100 Super Sabre.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-100_Super_Sabre

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:19 | 4992347 mc225
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maybe they should go back to F-4 phantoms because they were better-built.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:38 | 4992785 Simple J. Malarky
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F-14 Tomcat. Anytime Baby!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:57 | 4992879 HardAssets
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Big planes. Impressive on take off.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:22 | 4992694 tvdog
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The F-35's are allowed to fly now. As long as it's not at night. Or raining. Or snowing. Or foggy. But hey, they fixed the landing hook so the naval version can land on a carrier. In another 5-10 years, they should have most of the kinks worked out. As long as they don't fly too high, since the ventilation system asphyxiates the pilots.

I haven't heard of one actually in service, though.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 12:31 | 4993496 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Considering the VERY public trials and tribulations of the F-35 development.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II 

Has is it ever occured to anyone that the F-35 is quite possibly just a shell, a smoke screen for what is really being developed with the $325+Billion?  Considering the US MIC's extensive history of developing aircraft that spend the majority of their operational lifespan Top Secret (SR-71, U-2, B-2, F-117, RQ-170, etc...) I think its more than reasonable to believe that the boondoggle that is the F-35 is intentional and meant to launder billions into black projects.     

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:49 | 4995731 BigJim
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Silly man - this is Zero Hedge! We don't do conpiracies here.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:51 | 4992270 AssN9
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If the F-35 can actually get off the ground,that is.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:20 | 4992353 pods
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You can shoot down an F-35 with a Hellfire missile.

pods

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:23 | 4992704 tvdog
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And it's a stealthy plane. Except that it shows up like a full moon on a clear night on old Russian radars.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:41 | 4995699 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Then a civilain jetliner should never be in danger with the Russians keeping watch. Heck, there is no need  at all not to resume full civilian over flight over Ukraine, the Russians with both their new improved and older radar systems can provide excellent intelligence with their systems. Wonder why they had not been doing that already?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:18 | 4992186 tarsubil
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You are much better at it than they are. If you get a job, would you let me know and put in a good word for me?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:22 | 4992196 MeMongo
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"Hey mossad I'm for sale"

Careful whatcha ask for there! You might end up in a pissed stained cubicle that reeks of mahtzo, or worse yet if you're goy you might end up on a organ harvest slab....oy vea Mongo tardo!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:27 | 4992717 tvdog
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I've read complaints from gentile Americans who had gone to work doing hasbara for Israel, that only the Jewish hasbara agents actually got paid for their work.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:08 | 4992159 cossack55
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Most Uks probably lie as much as germans, brits and amerikans.   Governments lie always.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4992320 SofaPapa
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Don't get me wrong.  Of course the Ukranians lie.  It's what they lie about that interests me.

That said, reading the comments generated by my thread shows me that I have indeed lacked imagination in this instance. :)

Propaganda... the gift that never stops giving.

+2 for BigJim's responses.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:49 | 4992266 TheReplacement
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Listen to Tony.  Tony says they might've been taking out the pilots who actually witnessed/shotdown the 777.  You know, like Seal Team 6 all dying soon after the Bin Laden raid.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:11 | 4992324 SofaPapa
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That one hadn't occurred to me, and sadly, in today's world, I find it as likely as any other possibility.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:53 | 4992103 Sudden Debt
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SORRY!!!

IT WAS A ACCIDENT!!!

THEY TOUGHT IT WHERE BOEINGS 777's!!!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:01 | 4992127 GetZeeGold
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Naw.....the airlines finally figured out it's maybe not a good idea to fly over places where they're shooting planes out of the sky.....cause they're rocket scientists.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:13 | 4992173 BigJim
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Probably their insurance providers raised premiums to the point the flights were uneconomic... like if a few oil tankers got sunk in the Straits of Hormuz.

Though in the latter instance I suppose US .gov would volunteer to pay the premiums. The spice must flow.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:22 | 4992699 Iwanttoknow
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Bloomturd is in Telaviv to show solidarity with people of Israel.Pity he cannot show some solidarily with the American middle class.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:30 | 4992746 tvdog
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I always wondered why Bloomberg didn't use some of his billions to help the people of his city after Hurricane Sandy. Priorities, I guess.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:03 | 4992136 booboo
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Blah blah blah, and what, the peeps they were bombing are chopped liver??
Don't fly over a war zone with WAR planes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:03 | 4992138 tarsubil
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FUBAR. War is a racket; the world is a farce.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:51 | 4992269 TheReplacement
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Nah man.  The world is just starting to return to normal after being unseasonably peaceful for way too long.  Whoever told you life was about being happy lied to you.  Life is struggle.  Get used to it.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 12:37 | 4992105 pathetic looser
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either ukraine is trying to create a room for the new ones ( nato supplied) or they are trying to prove willingness and capability of rebels to shoot them down at will. maybe they just suck at war. either way i didnt realise that modern aircrafts were so vulnerable , all of a sudden being a pilot doesnt sound so romantic huh )))))

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:00 | 4992106 Urban Roman
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Did the Ukies remember to put gas in 'em? Maybe they just ran out.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:03 | 4992137 laomei
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I'm sure they remembered to put gas in them, they are not polacks after all.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:05 | 4992913 tonyw
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maybe somebody put sugar in them :-)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:54 | 4992107 Space Animatoltipap
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It would be a relief to the world when the NY/London/Brussels fascists meet defeat in the Ukraine.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:55 | 4992109 demoses
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UKR will slowly run out of jets :)

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:56 | 4992111 Chuck Knoblauch
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W. Ukraine is a NATO proxy.

E. Ukraine is a Russia proxy.

Russia shot down two NATO jets.

GAMES!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:12 | 4992168 lakecity55
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Russia 2

USSA   0

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:22 | 4992191 GetZeeGold
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We scored one in 1988.....we try not to talk about it too much.

 

It was pretty damn embarrassing at the time.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:49 | 4992261 Tall Tom
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So it stands as

 

Russia: 1 KAL 007

USA: 1 Iranian Air Flight 655

Ukraine: 1 Malaysian Air MH 17

 

The USA needs to step up... We are number one after all. Now this Third World backwater has tied us?

 

We iz exceptunal.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:05 | 4992308 zzzddd1
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Your score must be corrected.

Russia: 1 Kal007 (1983)

USA: 2 Iranian (1988), and TWA800 (200?)

Ukraine: 2 MH17(2014) and TelAviv-Siberia (2001)-they used S200 rocket there?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:25 | 4992707 Iwanttoknow
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Add the only democracy in ME,Isreal:Shot down libyan passenger jet in 1973.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 07:59 | 4992120 hackerinspace
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Shooting down 2 jets over the MH17 crashside seems to be they new normal in cover up operations

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:00 | 4992124 Hannibal
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Anyone daring to defend (i.e. shoot back) themselves are called "terrorists"!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:04 | 4992140 demoses
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Its a geographical thing you see. For instance:

 

The same person in Syria is called a Freedom fighter and just 5 m over the Syria/Iraqi border his description changes into Terrorist. Its really that simple.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:43 | 4992244 Space Animatoltipap
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It's even more simple. A person may adore Hussein Obama and the person standing next to him may consider Hussein Obama to be a lousy coke sniffing homosexual self pity nitwit with just some capacity of hypocritical speech.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:42 | 4992246 ThisIsBob
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George Washington was a bloody terrorist until he won.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:38 | 4992223 BadLibertarian
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Anyone daring to defend (i.e. shoot back) themselves are called "terrorists"!

And anyone who doesn't shoot back is a well disciplined terrorist. Ain't war hell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:02 | 4992131 savagegoose
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i guess the " WTF where they  flying in a warzone, "goes double for fighter jets

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:02 | 4992132 Save_America1st
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hopefully they were the same 2 fighter jets that assisted in steering MH-17 over the Ukrainian air space. 

#KarmaIsABitch

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:04 | 4992201 BlindMonkey
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That would be a neat way to wrap the conspiracy up. You can't put the dead under oath.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:02 | 4992134 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.

 

MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:08 | 4992153 Seize Mars
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Sid

Nice!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:08 | 4992154 lakecity55
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Wow, who knew Biden was a member of the International Termite Colony? I thought they were Wasps.

Perhaps they are but running dog fellow travelers!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:11 | 4992166 negative rates
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And we are supposed to be comforted by this??

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:28 | 4992210 tarsubil
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Ugh. Hillary should go help. Grab a rifle and go to the front lines. Your fat suit should protect you from harm.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 08:06 | 4992143 lakecity55
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Hey, they do not seem to have any problem shooting down the right planes.

Haha, I bet those cocksuckers in Kiev shot those poor civilian bastards out of the sky.

Only Assholios serve Ukraine's US puppet government.

Hey, Euro dudes, you gonna let The International Termites drag you into another war?

SAY NO! To Termites! Call Orkin!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:01 | 4992292 medium giraffe
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Nope, we didn't let our governments drag us into Syria, and we're not going to let them drag us into this.  We've been enjoying some large public protests, we've had some good riots and plenty of civil disobedience.  When are you guys going to stop cowering inside your houses and come and join the party?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 09:07 | 4992315 lakecity55
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+ a big green one, Mr Giraffe!

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