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America The Divided: Everyone Knows We Have Problems But There Is Very Little Agreement On Solutions

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

A house divided against itself will surely fall.  America is more divided today than it has been in decades, and the deep divisions that are tearing us apart continue to get even worse.  In fact, a newly released Rasmussen Reports national survey discovered that 67 percent of voters believe that America is even more divided now than it was four years ago.  We are angry, we are frustrated and we love to fight with one another, but none of this strife and discord is getting us anywhere.  What most Americans can agree on is that we are facing tremendous problems as a nation.  One average of recent polls found that only 26 percent of Americans believe that this country is heading in the right direction and 63.8 percent of Americans believe that this country is heading in the wrong direction.

Unfortunately, there is very little agreement on what the solutions to our problems are.  That is where the division is.  As a nation, we no longer have a shared set of values or principles that provides a foundation for our decisions.  Everyone just kind of does whatever is right in their own eyes, and the result is chaos.  At a minimum, the U.S. Constitution was supposed to bond all of us together, but it has become clear that very few of our lawless politicians have any respect for that document at this point.  And the American people must not have too much respect left for the Constitution either, because they keep sending the very same politicians back to Washington over and over again.  Unless a miracle happens, everyone is going to keep pulling in different directions, and that is going to continue ripping our country to shreds.

The issues that divide us are countless.  The following are just a few examples...

-Illegal Immigration

-Taxes

-Obamacare

-Government Debt

-U.S. Military Intervention In Foreign Countries

-Gay Marriage

-Abortion

-Racial Relations

-Unemployment

-Shipping Our Jobs Overseas

-Cost Of Living/Inflation

-The Gap Between The Wealthy And The Poor

-Social Security/Medicare/Entitlements

-The Size And Role Of Government

-Welfare

-Political Correctness

-Sexual Morality

-Global Warming/Climate Change

-Guns/Gun Control

-Common Core

-Corporate Corruption

-Government Surveillance

-The Emerging Big Brother Police State

-The War On Drugs

-The War On Terror

-U.S. Relationship With Israel

-The Role Of Faith In Society

I could go on and on with this list, but I think that you get the point.

If you pick just about any issue on that list, there are large numbers of Americans that want to take us one way and large numbers of Americans that want to take us exactly in the opposite direction.  In many instances, both sides consider their opponents to be the epitome of evil.

Sadly, the fights that take place among those that are supposed to be on the same side are often even more disturbing.  Some of the most bitter fighting that I have ever witnessed has been between people that should be working together.  In fact, it often seems like a lot of people would rather fight others in their own "movement" than do something constructive.

And actually the establishment loves when we fight with one another.  The more divided that we are, the easier we are to control.

I am often asked if I think that there is any hope for a political solution in this country.

I wish that I could be more optimistic when I answer, but as divided as this country is right now I see absolutely no hope for a political solution on the national level any time soon.

Even though Darth Vader has a higher favorability rating than any 2016 White House contenders, it is inevitable that one of them (with the full backing of the elite) will be our next president.  And even though a few incumbents will be knocked out of Congress in 2014 and 2016, history has shown us that incumbents typically have a victory rate of more than 80 percent in election after election.

We keep sending the same jokers back to D.C. again and again and yet we continue to keep expecting different results.

Are we insane or what?

In a previous article, I noted a whole bunch of other polls and surveys that show how dissatisfied the American people have become with our government...

#1 65 percent of Americans are dissatisfied “with the U.S. system of government and its effectiveness”.  That is the highest level of dissatisfaction that Gallup has ever recorded.

#2 66 percent of Americans are dissatisfied “with the size and power of federal government”.

#3 70 percent of Americans do not have confidence that the government will “make progress on the important problems and issues facing the country in 2014.”

#4 Only 8 percent of Americans believe that Congress is doing a “good” or “excellent” job.

#5 Only 4 percent of Americans believe that it would “change Congress for the worse” if every member was voted out during the next election.

#6 60 percent of Americans report feeling “angry or irritable”.  Two years ago that number was at 50 percent.

#7 53 percent of Americans believe that the Obama administration is “not competent in running the government”.

#8 An all-time low 31 percent of Americans identify themselves as Democrats.

#9 An all-time low 25 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans.

#10 An all-time high 42 percent of Americans identify themselves as Independents.

Clearly the American people are sick and tired of politics as usual.

But even if we voted out every single member of Congress, who would we replace them with?

That is where not having a shared set of values and principles comes into play.

Even if we could start from scratch, the new politicians that the American people would send to Congress would not suddenly look like the founding fathers.

That is because we no longer believe in the same values and principles that they did.

Instead, an entirely new Congress would probably end up looking very much like the old Congress did.

I wish that national unity was just as easy as saying something like this: "Come on guys - let's all just get together and agree to do what is right for the country."

That sounds really good, but what is right for the country?

In America today, there is very little agreement about what is right and wrong anymore.

And politically, it is hard enough to get a handful of people to agree on much of anything these days, much less the millions upon millions of people that would be required to form a viable political movement.

So no, I don't believe that there will be a political solution on the national level any time soon.  The government that we have already reflects what is in the hearts of the American people.

Until we start seeing hearts change on a widespread basis, we are not going to see any significant change in Washington.

 

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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:22 | 5001792 F-Tipp
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"I like money"

Thanks, Idiocracy.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:31 | 5001837 Fedaykinx
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go way, batin!!!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:37 | 5001839 Anusocracy
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The problem with how every government works is that it dumbs everything down and simultaneously evils everything up.

It can never be beneficial except to those who are in charge.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:01 | 5001942 philipat
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Quite correct. In a Democracy (And even more so in a Constitutional Republic) You get the Government You deserve.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:05 | 5001957 Fedaykinx
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woud you like to try our EXTRA BIGASS .GOV?  now with more molecules

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:47 | 5002075 flacon
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A country is made up of individuals, therefore "we" as a "collective" need to bug out of individuals lives and let individuals make their own choices. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:53 | 5002094 Anusocracy
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Seeing as though the selection of candidates is strongly controlled, you get the government the controllers want.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:01 | 5002227 toady
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I disagree.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 02:01 | 5002408 Slave
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Holy shit. 2 lists today.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:11 | 5002249 icanhasbailout
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if you set the system up right, it selects candidates who will do the things you want them to do without needing to directly tell them to do so

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:59 | 5002397 A Nanny Moose
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...and Brawndo

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 07:09 | 5002703 Headbanger
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It's got electrolytes.

 

The sad reality is America has become  "Idiocracy" where its people are so fucking stupid and distracted by bullshit issues that it's no wonder there's "no agreement on solutions"

There's too much fucking stupidity and anything goes when nothing matters.

Just look at what we elected for "Presdent of America"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:07 | 5001958 AssFire
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Don't know exactly where we are.. but this is where we are destined to go. So incapable and so debased of moral values we are basically incapable of self governance.

(From Spenglers decline of the West- 1918- 1922)

 

Autumn: Urban rise. High point of disciplined organizational strength.

  • Religion: Faith in the omnipotence of rationality. Cult of Nature. The height of mathematical thought. The last idealists. Theories of knowledge and logic.
  • Art: Fulfillment of high artistic potentials of culture- sculpture in Greece, contrapuntal music in the West. At the beginning of Autumn, art possesses complete freedom to manifest the Destiny-vision of a people through its particular perfected formal technique. However, the end of Autumn witnesses the exhaustion of the possibilities of that technique, leading to craft-art in imitation of the great style as well as artistic revolt.
  • Politics: Struggles between the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie. Revolutions. Napoleonism.

Winter: Coming fissure in the world-urban civilization. Exhaustion of mental organization strength. Irreligiousness rises.

  • Religion: Materialism: Cults of science, utility, and luck. Ethical-social ideals: philosophy without mathematics, skepticism. The last mathematical thinkers. Decline of abstract thinkers, and the rise of specialized academic philosophy. Spread of the last ideas.
  • Art: End of symbolic art. All art becomes meaningless subjects of fashion.
  • Politics: Democracy, meritocracy, plutocracy, followed by caesarism and bureaucracy.
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:15 | 5003263 Milestones
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Spengler is a tough read. Some because of subject matter and style, or lack thereof. Having said that, I think Slengler was right on the money with this book Decline of the West. 

Very important work but not many people in this country have the curosity or brains to handle this major histoical book.

Must admit my minor was ancient history so it kinda fit in for me.              Milestones 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:07 | 5001961 Alpo for Granny
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Welcome to Costco. I love you.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:03 | 5001951 QEternity
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"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." - Keynes

Burn in hell you fuckin' twat

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:26 | 5001801 tickhound
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I agree with this headline. Even ask all the boomergoons around here and they'll tell u to just vote republican.

Yen'll tell ya. He'll bring charts to prove it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:00 | 5001940 Zorrohodge
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It's the same thing with people who blame others who voted for Obama for causing all the world's problems. As if somehow the problems we have would be fixed by a McCain or a Romney administration.

You can vote, just don't pretend it makes any substantive difference. If you vote democrat, you're voting for some weed and gay rights, that's all.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:05 | 5002237 toady
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Weed AND gay rights?

Can't I just have the weed?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:40 | 5003645 Abaco
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There is no such things as gay rights.  There are human rights to which gays are entitled like anyone else.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:21 | 5004137 goneYonder
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True. And there's no such thing as 'legalizing weed', there is only the absence of decrees which interfere with man's proper exercise of his natural rights. Remove the mental constructions and the truth shines clearly.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:25 | 5001806 Four chan
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the two party system is the problem, isn't it obvious yet?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:00 | 5001935 agNau
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It is the biggest diversion tool in the bag.
The diversion is continually fed.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:10 | 5001982 bluskyes
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Are you saying there should be more or less parties?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:35 | 5002558 boattrash
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bluskyes, pick ANY number, then subtract 2... the Elephant and Ass have proven levels of corruption that would justify RICO statutes and banning members from office.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 07:15 | 5002710 Headbanger
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No. The problem is the "be fucking duhhhh to fit in" mentality Americans have wanted to have for decades now.

It will be only when Americans must think for themselves to survive that it will improve.

But that will probably take a complete destruction of every support system Americans have now.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:07 | 5002243 toady
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 03:12 | 5002486 August
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Last time I voted in the States, I wrote in Ricardo Montalban.

Would have been better than a Clinton, I figure.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 02:00 | 5002402 A Nanny Moose
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No. Obedience is the problem. Orders only work when obeyed.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:30 | 5002551 boattrash
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Four chan, spot on! My knee-jerk reaction/solution was a .375 H&H Magnum for both, the Elephant and the Ass. However, maybe just look at the list of things we're divided on, and compare it to the powers given to Gov. in the Constitution. I'm pretty sure that "Old Piece of Paper" would clear most of the list, as Fed Gov has no business in most of it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:25 | 5001807 Spastica Rex
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I thought all of us agreed that concentrating power - in the right place, of course - is the solution to all our problems.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:30 | 5001826 DeadFred
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There are no solutions. It's gonna crash.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:10 | 5001974 bluskyes
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The crash is a good step towards a solution.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 02:10 | 5002425 A Nanny Moose
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The most appropriate comment of the night. "Solutions" are what got us in this fucking mess in the first place.

Calling for more solutions, is just moar full retard on the initiation of force....which always results in exactly the opposite of its stated intent.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:26 | 5001811 world_debt_slave
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united we stood, divided we have fallen

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:32 | 5001838 Everybodys All ...
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Without a moral people any chance at a functioning democracratic republic will fail.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:33 | 5001843 world_debt_slave
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NYT had a great expose on Cuomo's so called independent ethics board, hillarious read.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:42 | 5001877 i_call_you_my_base
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He really showed himself to be a piece of shit.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:00 | 5002113 Anusocracy
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Morality and moral people can be manipulated.

Ingroup-outgroup morality is an important one for manipulation. Just use lots of lies and repeat them often.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:11 | 5003806 Anusocracy
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So many totally clueless people.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5001859 Everybodys All ...
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sorry ... meant to obviously say democratic republic.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:33 | 5001842 i_call_you_my_base
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Everyone thinks is it's politics, but it's corruption.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:11 | 5001985 tickhound
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The corruption AND the politics are symptomatic of the "economic" model itself. Any fix short of changing the model is temporary, at best.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:34 | 5001850 Usura
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Very little agreement on "solutions"?  More interim solutions treating the symptoms, or perhaps some final solutions targeting the underlying disease?

Maybe the usual suspects should be put into concentration camps until some concensus can be agreed.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:37 | 5001858 nmewn
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No "Change" with me...ever.

The MSM (from Noonan to Brooks to a panting Krugman) and the "movers & shakers" (from Buffet to Zuckerman) thought this fucking fraud of a humanitarian, this Nobel Peace Prize winner, this "man" who has presided over more people being in poverty than any other in modern times, who has never held down a real job in his entire life, who prefers to use a "pen & a phone" over gathering facts to present a case, who has watched as "the rich get richer" (even with his pen & phone close to hand), who has done the exact opposite of his promises...they can live with it and all the carnage.

Its glorious.

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:00 | 5001939 Yes_Questions
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did I miss something?

 

we're clear your list of shit above was well underway before the great 1/2 black hope arrived, right?

 

 

 

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:23 | 5002013 nmewn
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You get me wrong, I want him to accelerate the debt (he's doubled it so far). We already paid for the ticket. We might as well enjoy the ride down the other side so our kids kids don't have to pay for the same ride.

Thrice ;-)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:49 | 5002083 Yes_Questions
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Thanks..

 

scared me there for a moment. 

 

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:22 | 5001963 Cabreado
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Yes, but I find it sad and amazing that in your rant, you didn't even give that 535 a glance... as if you didn't know that it existed in the first place.

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:25 | 5002018 nmewn
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Call me ignorant...535?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:51 | 5002086 Yes_Questions
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Congress

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:10 | 5002134 nmewn
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Ah yes but at this point its only 51 and falling (for good reason), not 535 ;-)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5001862 phaedrus1952
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The second-most read editorial in American journalism (the first being 'Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus), was the WSJ's "No Guardrails" 20 years back. A lot of truth in that one. I think.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:43 | 5002311 JB634
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Great article. Here's a good quote:

“The left's selective outrage convinced me that much canonical, left-wing feminism is not so much support for women, as it is a protest against Western, heterosexual men. It's an 'I hate' phenomenon”

Feminism is a Lie

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:10 | 5002534 August
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Definitely worth a read.  I'll forward to my leftish family members.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:41 | 5001873 g speed
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gov't is the problem--power corrupts and gov't is corrupt--from the peaks of power in the executive branch, to the halls of congress, to the local chief of police to the little old lady that sits at the desk by the intrance of the building permit office--all are enablers of corruption--they support the system of corruption. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:14 | 5001884 Pee Wee
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And proposed solutions are:

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:46 | 5002071 tickhound
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Any steps toward an abundance based resource economy rather than scarcity based profit model. Replacing human labor becomes desirable. Growth loses it's vital cog status. Rather than being INVERSE to economic growth, balance and sustainability are rewarded.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:05 | 5002344 James-Morrison
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Randomly select congress from "the people", not from among the corrupt, professional politicians.

Start with term limits: one and done.

Move on to campaign reform: random, "poweball" selection, like jury duty.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 03:20 | 5002493 John_Coltrane
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Starve the beast via Tax avoidance.  Independence.  Personal Responsibility.  Its got to start at the bottom.  Don't rely on "experts"-think for yourself.  Learn how to solve problems.  We've been evolving to this debt based social welfare state since 1913.  It won't reverse itself overnight.

Tracing the problem back to 1913 we see the establishment of a central bank with a monopoly on interest rates and debt based money and the concomitant establishment of the income tax followed rapidly by WWI, WWII etc., all financed by debt as the root of the devolution.  Then all the dependency inducing, character destroying welfare programs by FDR, LBJ etc, all financed via debt.  It takes a lifetime to destroy a culture and likely several to restore it.  (See Rome for an example) 

We have met the enemy and they are us.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:26 | 5004155 Accounting101
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For Christ's sake! Do not pretend that by spouting some pseudo-libertarian bullshit that you are an economic intellectual. And certainly do not deem yourself arrogant enough to have solved the chicken or the egg question. Point of fact, had you actually been forced to live in the economic environment you advocate in your shit post, you would end up living like a dog.

We have a lot of economic issues to sort out starting with how we make sure that never again will $23 trillion in private debt be dumped on our sovereign balance sheet. Spouting off some bullshit about how great things were in 1912, 1879 or 1634 doesn't help.

We have met the enemy, and it's our own stupidity.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:46 | 5001885 Yes_Questions
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The lack of respect for the constitution PALES to lack of respect for each other.

 

and the owners are just fine with that.

 

Take it away St. George:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBo8CJxatQ

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:50 | 5001895 yellowsub
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I will tell you voting won't solve it...   

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:08 | 5001954 bluskyes
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The peaceful majority is insignifigant.

Like C. O. CHinn said:

That peaceful stuff will get you killed.
http://reason.com/archives/2014/07/22/how-crazy-negroes-with-guns-he

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:57 | 5001925 sosoome
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The solution is simple, but few can see. Simply do away with the 16th and 17th amendments, and return to the feds taxing the States, as per the Constitution. The money-go-round will come to a screeching halt.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:04 | 5002531 Nick Jihad
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A good idea, but you will need to repeal the 19th amendment first (women's suffrage).

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:05 | 5001930 ebworthen
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The answers are too simple for our MSM/advocacy addled populace of raving chimps and baboons (all races and blends) to act upon:

  1. End the FED
  2. Eliminate any/all campaign contributions and advertising.  Candidates must appear on PBS.
  3. Eliminate any/all insurance/pharmaceutical advertising.  If it is required by law or a Doctor has to prescribe it why should we pay for the advertising?  Immoral, unethical, and a conflict of interest.
  4. Get the State OUT of intimate unions, period.  If you want to get "married" have your church do it.  Eliminate any and all insurance and tax definitions of "marriage".  Assign legal ramifications using public notary.  I don't understand why homosexuals nor heterosexuals let the State determine their relationship; none of their fucking business.
  5. Close any and all U.S. military bases not on U.S. soil and do not engage in "foreign entanglements".
  6. Enforce the laws of citizenship and immigration.  If you want to be here, apply for citizenship and stay.  No Visa's, no free passes, no amnesty; come here, pledge allegiance, stay.
  7. Eliminate the I.R.S. and the income tax; establish a flat tax.
  8. Restore the Gold standard for the currency.
  9. Tariffs of foreign imports so there is some reason to make and grow stuff in the U.S. versus off-shoring: production, employees, profits, taxes, ability to make stuff in case of war.
  10. Jail financial criminals and bring back public hangings of traitors.  The financial collapse of 2008 was engineered by traitors.  Hang them.

You know, this was all in the Constitution and Bill of Rights - but we somehow gummed it up with marshmallows, chewing gum, cotton candy, mule piss, cow dung, burritos, Siracha, cider vinegar, dead insects, offal, and a stunning lack of common sense and doing the right thing.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:43 | 5002387 August
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>>>Eliminate any/all insurance/pharmaceutical advertising.

Americans are the most over-medicated clowns on the face of the planet.

They won't last long under natural conditions.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 07:57 | 5002798 NoDecaf
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#8 gold standard can be manipulated. We need competing currencies, end legal tender laws.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:16 | 5001962 Smiley
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Do not fear; the apathy party is growing by leaps and bounds daily.  No matter how right you think you are I can assure you, they do not give a shit and would rather watch you burn alive than spare two squirts of piss to put you out.  The Right, the Left, and now the "I just do not give a fuck, about your stupid shit."  Once enough people refuse to care, society eats itself.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:28 | 5002284 Freddie
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We are getting closer.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:05 | 5003228 Otto Zitte
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Thats not true. The apathetic are finding it increasingly difficult to remain apathetic, insulated in their subsistence means, so they protest more loudly as thy are stripped of their ability to not give a fuck and stay on the sidelines.

This is just getting started.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:17 | 5001998 IridiumRebel
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Red Team Blue Team RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5002041 WorkingFool
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Isn't the essence of a nation shared values?  As peoples and families move to where the majority share their values my guess is it breaks up when the currency blows up.  And not necessaritly into 2 - more like 5 or so regions.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:38 | 5002055 VWAndy
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I like to dwell on the things we can agree on. There is a list of criminals that need to be in fucking jail and its too long.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:49 | 5002082 kchrisc
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Solution: AKs and guillotines.

For those that believe that is wrong, look up, say, Kent State, and, say, Kelly Thomas or James Boyd.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:55 | 5002097 q99x2
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We are only in disagreement because nobody fucking listens to Q99X2.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:14 | 5002142 SilverIsMoney
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Decentralize everything back to the states... most of the problems we have arise from democratic states being able to control the fed with the most amount of electoral votes. Allow the states equal footing with the Fed and let them all do 90% of what the fed does today or none of it.

Blue states would be blue and Red would be Red... what's wrong with that? What's wrong with letting like minded states stay that way? How many battleground states are really out there? I think the problem is the fed tries a one size fits all approach to all 50 states and then the division is created among the people for views other people have on the opposite end of the fucking country!

Almost seems intentional, doesn't it?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:26 | 5002158 sschu
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Those that believe there are political solutions to our dilemmas are fanciful.  Our problems are moral and spiritual.  Want to revive the country?  We need a spiritual revival.

God is removing His protection to make us realize how much we have been blessed.  Satan is only too happy to make himself felt in the destructive manner he does so well.

And yes, to those who don't like religion, tell me, what political solution can fix the issues of abortion, out-of-wedlock birth, divorce, disintegration of the family/family values, marriage and lack of morality?  And are not these at the heart of our problems?

God will send another message soon enough.  Embrace Him or embrace your demise.

 

sschu

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:17 | 5002539 Zorrohodge
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2004 is calling you - it wants its "family values" crusade back.

There are more important things going on now.

Smoke some weed.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:00 | 5003760 detached.amusement
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I think you missed all the ramifications of the government getting the fuck out of individuals' lives.  These ills you all list are enhanced, entrenched, and made the norm by the actions of the government.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:38 | 5004515 sschu
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These ills you all list are enhanced, entrenched, and made the norm by the actions of the government.

Of course, I get that.  But the government does these things because people want them done, however irrational that seems.  If the majority of people did not want these freebies and other things, then the government would not do them.  The government primarily reacts to the desires of the people, with a significant lag time.  Then once government grows so big (like now), it starts to do things on its own, for its own self interest.    

If the government at all levels was reduced by 75% tomorrow, which of the cultural ills would be solved?  It would take generations for this to happen.  

The large, intrusive government is the result of a people who are seeking answers from this world, and the answers the government provides leads ultimately to the society's destruction (excessive debt and overreach).  

The government is simply too large and there are too many people invested in the status quo for it to be reduced voluntarily or orderly through the political process.  A crash and chaos or God, you pick em.  

Actually I was expecting more down arrows than I got.  :-)

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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:37 | 5002183 AustriAnnie
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"Political solution" - an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.......

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:36 | 5002295 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' have always been divided. They also agree on the solution to apply to hide their division. But the solution they are used to is turning less and less available.

'Americans' have always hidden their division by agreeing on ganging up on a third party to loot it and redistribute the wealth among themselves.
They've always been using a third party as a buffer between themselves and themselves.

Finding that third party is crucial for the 'american' way to endure. Trouble is that Indians are scarce these days, and the best fitting subject as a third party is nobody but themselves.

Tensions are to increase, 'americans' are divided as they have always been, they still agree on the line of solutions to apply but they run out of convenient targets to power their 'american' way of doing things.
That's being forced to apply their 'american' solution to themselves that make them tense.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:38 | 5002382 August
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  The government that we have already reflects what is in the hearts of the American people.

I'd guess that the government "we" have reflects what is in the hearts of a very small subset of the Amercican people.

The broad American population has no real input into the activities of the governing elite; the people/electorate are the clay, and not the potter.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:35 | 5003378 Milestones
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Nice reference to the quartain out of the "Rubaiyat" by Omar Khayyam.               Milestones

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 02:38 | 5002450 snblitz
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The problem is not division but coercion.

In a free society (voluntary exchange, freedom of assembly) and strong property rights there is very little conflict or division.

We all go about our business doing what we will with whom we wish.

However in a coerced society (aka not free, not voluntary exchange, weak property rights) we all fight to control the government so we can be in charge of the coercion.

Get rid of the benefits of controlling a coercive government and you get rid of the division.

How about we try a federal government that operates on 3% of GDP and leave the rest to the states?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 04:12 | 5002536 Nick Jihad
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I think you've identified the source of the division. While everyone is dissatisfied with the Federal government, they are divided on the reason. One group thinks the Feds take too much, and the other thinks the Feds give too little. This is a struggle that can never end.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:01 | 5002804 AnAnonymous
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The problem is not division but coercion.

In a free society (voluntary exchange, freedom of assembly) and strong property rights there is very little conflict or division.
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I am with you on that, bro. I heard that on Praxis, they have what you tell. I heard that watching a Star Trek thing.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 06:41 | 5002668 doctor10
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De-NSA the judiciary and make judges elected  with term limits-some of them will find their copies of the Constitution and start to enforce it.

 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:09 | 5002820 overmedicatedun...
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lack of simple justice, that is what is the nut...logic reason out the window when dealing with a criminal system..the one simple answer is right in front of us..this sick corrupt crony tyranny of bought off judges and cops and pols..get them hung get them out of office..and maybe all your other ideas have merit.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 06:51 | 5002682 Last of the Mid...
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Nothing a few more regulations or executive orders won't straighten out. Government by the 1% for the people.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 07:48 | 5002768 foodstampbarry
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What did democrats think was going to happen when they hired a community agitator to become president?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:06 | 5002814 AdvancingTime
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 The large number of government programs that have failed to carry out their duties and the dim view many Americans have towards Washington may be starting to take its toll on those who think big government is the answer.

The Democratic Party has long been thought of as the party of "big government"  filled with believers that government can solve and is the answer to curing many of our woes. Sadly cost and reality are quickly beginning to show the flaws in this theory, government is far better at providing access of citizens and good at passing popular laws, but the private sector tends to be more efficient and better at controlling costs.More on the flaws of big government in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/11/flaws-in-big-government-concept.h...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:09 | 5002821 AdvancingTime
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Today a big topic is the huge growth in inequality. Those who look closely understand that it is not the 1% at the top stealing the icing off the cake, but the much smaller .1% or .01% that are skewing the numbers and overreaching.

I contend the biggest problem is the massive growth in crony capitalism and corruption in Washington. Much of this can be attributed to the ability of those in control "changing the rules" and positioning themselves to benefit at every corner. In our busy and complex world we have found it impossible to watch all the moving parts. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/how-empires-collapse.html

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:44 | 5002921 Chuck Knoblauch
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Reform the Federal Reserve System.

Reset the currency to true value (zero).

Report real unemployment, inflation, and GDP numbers.

That's a start.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:26 | 5002983 BernankeHasHemo...
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The solution is plain. Now that AmeriKKKa is truly a banana republic let's act like one. We need a military coup in which the President, VP and cabinet along with all 535 members of Congress are executed for treason. This would be a national day of liberation which could be celebrated forever. The military is the only functioning institution left in the USSA.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:12 | 5003003 Weisshaupt
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No The problem is that our Constitutional Republic has quit obeying the rules that WE THE PEOPLE consented to. If the agreement were obeyed as originally understood, the governments power would be limited and the individual rights of her citizens would still be protected.

As it is, 1/2 of the population is willing to use the power of government to  enslave the other half for citizen snacks - and therefore rejects the very notion of individual rights, limited government, or rule of law.

We don't have agreement about right and wrong, because one side is still advocating ( as it always has)  that other people are property - to be used, abused as needed as determined by the "common good"  ( which is always uncommonly good for the Pigs that move into the Farmhouse.)

You can't have an agreement about "right and wrong" with people whose only political motive  is "I want" and whose only principle is the use of force to get it.  You can't make an agreement with people who see others as property - as furniture - because you don't feel bad if you promise a Kitchen Table  something and then change your mind later.  No, the kitchen table obeys because you know how to take care of your "things" and keep them nice. 

"“They are the arguments that kings have made for enslaving the people in all ages of the world. You will find that all the arguments in favor of king-craft were of this class; they always bestrode the necks of the people, not that they wanted to do it, but because the people were better off for being riddenThat is their argument, and this argument of the Judge is the same old serpent that says you work and I eat, you toil and I will enjoy the fruits of it. .”- Abraham Lincoln – Lincoln Douglas Debates.

Only the left wants to enslave the "productive" this time - and this will play out just like it did last time, because you can't have a political solution with people who act in bad faith and who see "live and let live" as a philosphy that unfairly imposes upon them - because they no longer have a right to tell you how to live, what to beleive and value and to give them the stuff you worked for ( and they didn't)  .  Civil War is simply inevitable now. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003049 overmedicatedun...
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remember: obuma's hope he would be another lincoln...well he might just be the boy for it, civil war and may the south win this time, only it will be the south freeing the slaves of progressivism and corrupt DC. IRS was never a smigin of corruption sayith the queer golfing mulatto..after a long day of raising donations er bribes..

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:23 | 5003069 f16hoser
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Split? BOTH PARTY'S ARE TO BLAME! Fuck me. Why is this so hard for dumb-ass Amerikans to understand?

http://kickthemallout.com/images/eNews/PatriotTossingDonkeyElephant.jpg

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:12 | 5003521 Rikky
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The author nailed it America no longer has a common set of values and beliefs to unite it. Everyone "doing what is right in their own eyes" is not a platform that can unite. Take a divisive issue like abortion. You can't get someone who believes you are killing a human being to be ok with it just like you can't get a pro-choice person to abide by someone else telling them what to do with their body. Our Constitution was written for a populace that had a certain moral and ethical stance and doesn't work well when no holds barred ensues. There is nowhere to go but further division, power grabs and tyranny by the majority because in the end humans are corrupt by nature and will exploit for their own self gain.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:19 | 5003545 all-priced-in
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Maybe we need a reality TV show about it -

 

 

 

/s/ 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:55 | 5003721 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Money is the root problem for Americans that are divided. The most serious issue that divides Americans is the disparity between the rich and poor. Greed 'is good' philosophy of Ayn Rand/Alan Greenspan has

led to the complete destruction of the USA in less than half a century.

The 1%ers have removed themselves from the commons and are not really part of the debate anymore. Plato once said that no man is worth more than three times another man but America is no a believer in our common ideology as they have their own ideology that they choose

to adhere to. Greed alone has divided America along lines of haves and have nots. The 'have nots' have no choice but to fight for their

paltry existence and the 1%ers have been indoctrinated to view those with less as being less worthy of living. Common people are

to be viewed as victims of Capitalism if they cannot survive inflation or hyperinflation. Capitalists can survive as long as they are willing to victimize those with less money, political power, influence, et cetera. These disparities have existed for centuries and will exist

until these systems of disparity are overthrown by the masses that have been disenfranchised. Millions of Americans are now in dire straights and cannot afford the rising costs of living due to the excessive Liberal largesse that the ruling classes have instituted

to keep the 99% down. Violent revolution is the only solution to

redistribute the wealth transfer that has occured over time. Until the rich are no more than three times 'richer' than the average American there will be no marked improvement in life for Americans en masse. The problems are felt by all Americans except the 1%ers.

The solutions are found with the majority of Americans who are presently being dosenfranchised by the 1%ers. Equality of opportunity exists for the average American but the ruling classes do not want you to know that or act on it. Articles like this spell defeat for Americans en masse and do not offer solutions whatsoever because the ruling classes don't want solutions to the problems the 99% face. The ruling classes want solutions to their problems and not those of the 99%. When articles start to appear that offer solutions to these problems gains for society will certainly be made. Until that time manifests be prepared to fight to survive.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:15 | 5003827 jemlyn
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The abortion issue was/is just a diversion, a sell out by the GOP, let's talk about an intractable religious issue so we don't have to address the economy, foreign relations, growth of government, sound money, etc. etc.

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