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Another Airplane Tragedy: Air Algerie Plane Carrying 116 Crashes Over Mali

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Update: while there have been conflicting reports whether the plane crashed over Niger or Mali, we will go with the latter story as reported by AP: "A missing Algerian plane went down in central Mali, a U.N. representative says,  contradicting earlier reports that it crashed in Niger. The plane crashed between Gao and Tessalit, Brigadier General Koko Essien, the commander of a Timbuktu-based operation with the U.N. mission in Mali, told DPA. Malian civil aviation authorities said they were on alert. “For the moment, we cannot speak of a crash, only of the disappearance of the plane from radars,” a representative told DPA by telephone."

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Not a day seems to pass in the past week without some airplane catastrophe: first over Ukriane, next over the South China Sea, now in western Africa over Mali where moments ago Air Algerie reported said that it had lost contact with one of its passenger aircraft carrying 116 people on board, nearly an hour after takeoff from Burkina Faso bound for Algiers. And what is most stunning is that just like in the MH17 case, the flight lost radio transmission shortly after it was ordered to change its course due to "poor weather." According to an Air Algerie source "the plane was not far from the Algerian frontier when the crew was asked to make a detour because of poor visibility and to prevent the risk of collision with another aircraft on the Algiers-Bamako route. Contact was lost after the change of course."

A company source told AFP that the missing aircraft was a McDonnell Douglas DC-9 and that some 110 people of various nationalities are listed as being on board the flight. The source said contact with the aircraft was lost while it was still in Malian airspace approaching the border with Algeria.

From AFP:

Despite international military intervention still under way, the situation remains unstable in northern Mali, which was seized by jihadist groups for several months in 2012.


On July 17, the Bamako government and armed groups from northern Mali launched tough talks in Algiers aimed at securing an elusive peace deal, and with parts of the country still mired in conflict.


"The plane was not far from the Algerian frontier when the crew was asked to make a detour because of poor visibility and to prevent the risk of collision with another aircraft on the Algiers-Bamako route," the Air Algerie source said. 


"Contact was lost after the change of course."


The airline announced that the plane had gone missing in a brief statement carried by national news agency APS.


"Air navigation services have lost contact with an Air Algerie plane Thursday flying from Ouagadougou to Algiers, 50 minutes after takeoff," the statement said.


It added that the company initiated an "emergency plan" in the search for flight AH5017, which flies the four-hour passenger route four times a week.

CBC News further reports that Swiftair, the Spanish private airline company that owns the plane, said there were 110 passengers and six crew members on board the McDonnell Douglas MD-83 jet at the time.   

The flight path of Flight AH5017 from Ouagadougou, the capital of the west African nation of Burkina Faso, to Algiers was not immediately clear. The flight typically takes around four hours.  Ougadougou is in a nearly straight line south of Algiers, passing over Mali where unrest continues in the north.

Our condolences to the families.

Meanwhile with airspace over east Ukraine closed indefinitely, Israel inbound flights also grounded for an unknown period, should one also add west Africa to the no fly zone? How long until all global air traffic has to be reevaluated in light of all the countless warzones that have resulted in the past few years some 30,000 feet below where airplanes fly?


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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:30 | 4997200 Cognitive Dissonance
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At this point I assume the aliens did it. We have crossed over from the sublime to the truly stupid in all aspects of daily life.

Can't wait to see how it all ends. What channel do I tune in to watch the closing credits?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:35 | 4997210 MeMongo
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Mongo thinks it won't be broadcast at all, just dead air kinda like when your favorite radio station goes silent. Of course he further believes after said lengthly silence occasional gunshots will be heard in the distance!. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:42 | 4997232 Latina Lover
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Goddamn Ukrainian Rebels, we told them to lay off the Vodka. Mind you, trying to convince a Russian not to drink is like trying to stop a BBC pedophile from re offending.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:52 | 4997263 negative rates
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It's as plain as the nose on your face, that it's not a good time to be flying in an airplane. But you didn't hear that from me, no sir re, or will you hear it from the MSM.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:55 | 4997274 insanelysane
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I'm sure the CIA will have evidence that the Russians were tangentally responsible for creating the conditions that caused this aircraft to crash.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:03 | 4997288 SafelyGraze
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invade algeria

the people demand it

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:06 | 4997294 ndotken
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"May you live in interesting times." - Old Chinese Curse

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:09 | 4997304 Big Corked Boots
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It's Putin's fault.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:19 | 4997326 Dubaibanker
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Russia news agency Tass just reported, quoting Algerian TV, that the plane has crashed in Niger, and 80 passengers were French.

Meanwhile, Ukraine Govt has just collapsed, as per Bloomberg:

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:55 | 4997399 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I am not low brow fringe knuckle dragging tin foil hat wearing nazi racist (maybe I am) but what if we find out those 80 French worked a certain company trying to sell boats to Russia. What would you think?


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:13 | 4997469 Pure Evil
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Man, jet airliners are droppin out of da sky almost as often as JPMorgan bankers.

In this case, the heavily correlated trend is my friend.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:13 | 4997473 BaBaBouy
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Whaaaaaaat ... DC-9 ???????????????

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:41 | 4997590 Citxmech
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Yeah - that's some old shit.  Pic is of a B-727 though I think.  DC-9 has two engines in the back sorta like an MD-80.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:55 | 4998158 A Nanny Moose
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Correct. Both models are older than dirt, and will not fly forever.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:14 | 4997477 Dubaibanker
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It's already a multinational tragedy...

Plane and crew from Spain.....passengers from France....going to Algeria.....crashed in Niger.

Please don't bring Russia into this.....else, Putin may get very angry on you :)

Last I checked, he was not smiling on any jokes....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:34 | 4997551 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Not surprising considering Algeria is one of the larger suppliers of gas and oil to Europe. I am sure there are plenty of multinationals traveling to and from Algeria on almost a daily basis for business reasons.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:52 | 4998120 old naughty
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Its Hollande-Merkel's turn this time with their joint forces in Mali.

And France has a long history with Algeria.

No play this time for Putin.

So, course-changes are deadly, no?


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:37 | 4997560 dontgoforit
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Mali is a war zone.  When are the airlines going to learn to stop flying over war zones?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:39 | 4997571 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Or fly high enough they are out of missile range.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:31 | 4997534 Lumberjack
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If there were French nationals on board it could be military personnel as the French have been sending troops to that region.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:44 | 4997382 Gert_B_Frobe
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"Calgon" - Ancient Chinese secret

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:57 | 4997403 Buckaroo Banzai
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Still one of the great commercials of all time.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:56 | 4997275 LasVegasDave
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It was probably those goddamned Yids again in their flying pentagrams shooting NWO missles


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:52 | 4997265 sunnydays
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What is funny is that this plane has 'disappeared' off the radar with no contact and they don't know where it is.  But MH17 the second it had no contact the U.S. and Ukraine were screaming that it was downed by a missile.  How is that?  How is that they somehow knew a missile downed mh17 within seconds, yet this one has just disappeared?  Funny how they know somethings immediately and others they don't.  

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:14 | 4997317 Cognitive Dissonance
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One of the glaring signs of a false flag attack or orchestrated 'event' is the nearly instantaneous and clearly coordinated explanation presented by the parrots of the MSM.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:34 | 4997554 Chupacabra-322
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With the Criminal Fasle Narrative, PsyOp, Propagandist, Statist Script written to you by the Psycopaths at the CIA.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4998238 Zorrohodge
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Because Europe is a densely populated technologically advanced area with widespread and near total radar coverage, Africa is not.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:58 | 4997411 Johnny Moscow
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My thoughts exactly. The West needs to think about more sanctions now - one of the Ukraine terrorist's website was boasting about their additional BUK SAM batteries going online yesterday and we all know they are actively hunting down airliners, those murderous bastards.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:39 | 4997228 Ghordius
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CD, why do you think that the 2014 world is moar crazy than the ones in 2004, 1994, 1984, 1974, 1964, 1954, 1944, 1934, 1924 or 1914?

is it the internet?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:48 | 4997254 Uncle Remus
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Serious dilution of the gene pool I'd say.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:11 | 4997309 Oracle of Kypseli
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Reminder to Ghordius:

There is more than one internet, please use the plural to keep with ZH tradition

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:49 | 4997255 Cognitive Dissonance
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Interesting question. In some aspects the world has never been this close to coordinated economic self immolation. But ultimately the world isn't moar crazy today, but rather the insanity seems to be closer. And that is directly related to the Internet as well as smartphones, 24/7 media etc. In other words it is all about proximity. When something appears to be close, even if it actually is not, the sense it is conveying 'feels' more intense.

For example, when we begin to awaken to the illusion of the Matrix and begin to recognize the layers upon layers of lies as well as our part in the (self) deception we become frantic, panicked even and definitely on high alert. "It" seems to be everywhere and closing in fast when in fact nothing has changed other than our perception and the corresponding feeling of a closer proximity to danger.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:53 | 4997266 kliguy38
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Nahhhh......its closing......and closing fast

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:00 | 4997285 insanelysane
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I have posted many quotes this summer from Charles Dickens as I read through all of his novels.  150 years later there is still government disfunctionality and financial frauds and all other types of issues.  Nothing has changed and I am sure Dickens was thinking the same thing, that 150 years prior to his time nothing had changed.  

If you read quotes from Diogenes, circa 400 or 300 BC, you will find that human nature has not changed one bit in 2,500 years.  The internet just makes mass stupidity faster.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:08 | 4997298 LetThemEatRand
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Human nature has not changed, but the technology to control the sheep sure has improved.   It feels different because it is a better, faster, more powerful version of the worst of human nature.  In 300 BC it would take weeks or months for a sociopath to mount a murderous attack at a distant location.  Now, minutes.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:16 | 4997319 Oracle of Kypseli
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Also consider the fact that the world's average IQ is constant (100) but the population is expanding!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:29 | 4997526 dontgoforit
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It's the virus: liberalist manufracto.  Started in California in the 1950's and is still spreading like wildfire.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:51 | 4997651 Citxmech
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The world isn't more crazy - the world is just collectively closer to systemic failure than any past point in human history (other than maybe that point way back when we were down to maybe 2,000 individuals).  

The entire world is running on an economic system that requires growth fueled by exponential access to raw materials.  That access curve is flattening - hence we are starting to see economic seizures and the escalation of resource wars.

It's going to get worse.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:10 | 4997306 dellievan
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Roughly 17 people in the world read history. Exaggeration,  but I make my point.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:17 | 4997485 Pure Evil
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What's the point of reading history if you're doomed to repeat it?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:30 | 4997531 dontgoforit
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So you can know what's coming?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:57 | 4997276 Ghordius
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how do you think you would have felt in the McCarthy "Red Scare" era? Or when FDR banished gold from private American hands in 1934, something that lasted 40 years? Or when the US gov started to "focus" popular feelings for the Great War in 1914? In the last case, many German-Americans became Austrian-Americans, and then both groups became "Just Americans" just to be left alone, for example. And I'm picking on the US only because it's nearer to you, other places have even crazier times behind them, imho most notably when Chairman Mao decided that cooks, particularly gourmet cooks, where Enemies Of The People

speaking of planes, the very first jets had a moment in history when they started to fall off the skies without explanation. later, some bright chap found out the reason: "metal fatigue"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:04 | 4997289 Cognitive Dissonance
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It is all relative to where we are and where we have been.....and our understanding and knowledge of where we have been. This is why it is so important for tyranical governments and despots to rewrite "history" and distort present day reality. Bread and circuses are just another form of propaganda.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:05 | 4997291 Uncle Remus
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Metallurgy IS voodoo Ghordo.

The world isn't moar crazy, we're just moar aware of it - in real time. Thanks Marconi.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:19 | 4997490 Pure Evil
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The world isn't more crazy, just the sapiens inhabiting it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:12 | 4997312 thatthingcanfly
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CD, Ghorius, have you guys read Weaver's "Ideas Have Consequences?" Written in 1946, I believe. He was prophetic in his description of the television as the "Great Stereopticon" that would spin propaganda more effectively than previous forms of media. And this was back before everyone had a TV in the house! This book is worth checking out, if just to see how many things Weaver got right about the future.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:20 | 4997323 Cognitive Dissonance
Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:22 | 4997335 Ghordius
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add this

basically, we are just hosts for those little pesky mind-parasites. though they are more like symbionts, like the little army in your belly that helps you (for a fee) to digest

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:26 | 4997343 Uncle Remus
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helps you (for a fee) to digest

Flatulence. You're talking about flatulence.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:32 | 4997352 Ghordius
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correct, that's my word for megabankster's bonuses. I remember when "financials" were 2% of the economy. then, in some select places, they were 10% of "GDP", and bonuses were the biggest part

flatulence happens when the little helpers "help themselves" too much, isn't it?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:01 | 4997719 tip e. canoe
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the mechanics of what Weaver got right:

"When we view television, our brains mostly exhibit slow Alpha waves and waves bordering on Delta waves. This means that even though we are focused on the story or the characters or the plot, our overall level of arousal is similar to when we are very relaxed or even asleep. Experiments in the late 60's showed that people can enter an alpha wave state as quickly as 60 seconds after beginning to watch television. Therefore, when it comes to television and brain function our brains tend to go into autopilot mode. In fact, watching television has the same effect on the brain as staring at a blank wall.

Another state which induces alpha waves is hypnosis. Hypnosis, while it has come to be associated with people being "put to sleep" and forced to do various things such as act like a chicken, is actually a useful technique to control behavior. At its heart, hypnosis is a state of relaxation and focused attention.

The subject is not so much "put to sleep" as he or she is placed in a state of extreme relaxation. During this period the mind is actually quite focused and highly suggestible. The brain waves seen during hypnosis are quite similar to those measured in people watching television."

wonder if anyone's done any research to how much interacting with the induced dreamstate (like we're doing now) is changing the brainwave patterns and reducing suggestibility patterns, if any.

maybe we're smack dab in the middle of a global Tibetan dream yoga experiment right now? if so, is the experiment altered by the perception of the experimenter? and who's the experimenter anyhow? and even if there is just one (or a few/"Many"), what happens when the rats realize they can alter the experiment by twiddling on the knobs while the experimenter is sleeping?

in the age of youboob, might be worth a ponder or 2?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:01 | 4997424 BLOTTO
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The chaos started on day 1...and we have been lied to, manipulated and hoodwinked since...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:18 | 4997486 Sparkey
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One of your best, 'on the fly' analysis', ever CD, 24/7 media is adding the the general breakdown of sanity, in many of the faces I see every day the signs of extreme tension are visible, it 'Aint' a happy world for many anymore, I must admit, even I, who tries to cultivate a phylosophy of detached rationality, find myself feeling anxious about the way the world is unfolding, Yet, what can you do about it?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:33 | 4997546 dontgoforit
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Jack Daniels and more sex.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:46 | 4997619 Chupacabra-322
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@ Cognative,

"Reality is stranger than fiction."


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:26 | 4997910 sleigher
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Is that because they wouldn't dare write about "reality"?  

Interstate 60 was an interesting movie nonetheless...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:10 | 4997707 CPL
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The faster information moves, the more immediate the requirement and it doesn't matter if its a stock market crash or a funny picture of a cat on facebook.  Information has a life of it's own and strangely enough tends to reflect more on the participant using the information, than the information itself.  This is how the law of attraction works ultimately.  The mere presence of the idea invites the idea of the idea to simply continue. 

If the idea is good or bad, saintly or evil is inconsequential, the fact the idea exists means it will eventually happen regardless of intention.  Get enough people watching for Earth quakes, there's going to be something noticed.  Get enough people waiting for a nuclear war, the self fulfilling prophecy comes true.  Wish for success in business and life, life shuffles priorities to make that happen.

Nothing in this world is given without an idea and collaborating with others that an idea exists and will continue to exist.  Like a photo shopped picture on a computer.  Prior to the picture existing, there was only the idea, logos.  It can either become a brainfart.  Or the logos creates the situation to create the picture drawn by the unseen inspiration.  After some clicking and fucking around, a photo shopped picture of a flying boat plane created.  Show that picture to enough people and eventually someone gets the idea "shit I could make that".

Then it happens.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 13:34 | 4999209 Totentänzerlied
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"If the idea is good or bad, saintly or evil is inconsequential, the fact the idea exists means it will eventually happen regardless of intention.  Get enough people watching for Earth quakes, there's going to be something noticed.  Get enough people waiting for a nuclear war, the self fulfilling prophecy comes true.  Wish for success in business and life, life shuffles priorities to make that happen."

I really, really hope this is pure condescending sarcasm directed at those who don't have even the slightest awareness let alone comprehension of causality.

There is a mind-boggling amount of equivocation going on in that paragraph.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:06 | 4997755 joe90
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Well things aren't crazy at a local level, down at the pub, within families. Or are they?

If I start a conversation, "do you know what a false flag is?" "who did 9/11.  It inevitably leads to a conclusion that I'm crazy.

Of course if you live in Eastern Ukraine the craziness is visited on you by force.  A telling comment in a (live) interview here on the radio of the Time's correspondent in Moscow a couple of days ago.  He had been at the MH17 crash site within a day of it happening.  He had been detained by the separatists when they found he was American.  He said that the seperatists viewed Americans as the enemy and considered for some time to keep him hostage.  I found this very revealing, because I would have thought surely the separatists think they are fighting the Ukrainian Govt.  The point was glossed over, almost laughed off , the interviewer never asked the question.  How on earth could they be so mistaken.

My mates will still end a conversation, "look the Americans are the world's global policemen, they are trying reallly hard but those religious nutters have been fighting each other for a 1000 years they just cant be stopped"  and I'll go but but but .... where does the money come from to fund the terrorists (ISIS etc)?  CD right there.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:49 | 4997258 tip e. canoe
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moar people
moar technology
moar funny money
moar SSDI's
moar moar moar

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:53 | 4997267 negative rates
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It's the Urantia book.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:12 | 4997310 messystateofaffairs
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I find the Urantia book stimulating.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:21 | 4997496 Pure Evil
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Well, at least you're not stimulating Urectum.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:25 | 4997342 shovelhead
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My personal favorite was the '62 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Dirty Jean the Handjob Queen did a bumper business with the pre-adolescent set that October.

Nobody wanted to go up in smoke without some female tenderness to their credit.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:02 | 4997429 Grinder74
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Because it's the first time there's both a 2 and a 1 before the 4.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:40 | 4997230 Uncle Remus
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(BTW, Alien abduction was my first thought as well)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:53 | 4997268 Cognitive Dissonance
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Why take us one or two at a time when there is an entire captive audience flying along at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube packed together like sardines.

Well, at least those in cattle class. :)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:06 | 4997296 Incubus
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First it was cows.


Then it was hillbillies.


Now it's aeroplanes.


When do they start taking planets? 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:10 | 4997300 Uncle Remus
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Stayed tuned for next weeks episode of "As The World Capitulates". The reptilian overlords are already here and in place, don't ya know.

@%^@#$#@ cats have been playing with my /sarc tags again - I can't find a single one...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:35 | 4997357 Tall Tom
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"As My Stomach Turns" seems to be more interesting then watching "As The World Capitulates".


But it runs as a Daily Drama. (Yes...Pun intended.)


But I'll be sure to tune in to "As The World Capitulates".


Does it have Guillotines?


How does the World lose its head without Guillotines?


We need guillotines...lots of them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:42 | 4997596 Uncle Remus
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Pink AND Tacti-Cool.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:18 | 4997308 Cognitive Dissonance
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You have it backwards. It starts with (prison) planets and works down the ladder from there.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:06 | 4997297 Uncle Remus
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With usually a few well on their way to being pickled.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:40 | 4997231 BandGap
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There are dozens of instances in the past ~20 years where surface to air shoulder fired missiles have been lost to "rebels" or "terrorists". The world is awash in these things. How difficult would it be to sit along a flight path and fire one of these? They are point, listen for the beep, squeeze and let fly. Throw the spent weapon on the ground and walk away.

Life is very cheap these days. Pray for these people and their families.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:54 | 4997262 Urban Redneck
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The flightpath doesn't work with MANPADs except in proximity to the take-off or landing location, as it takes a rather sizable missile to even reach cruising altitude, much less hit a moving target at that height.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:08 | 4997299 BandGap
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Don't have the data yet but would this be difficult when the latest version of the Stinger has a range of 8km? I know te ceiling is low(stated at 10000 feet) but I have read reports that they can be succssful up to 18-20K feet depending on speed and where the shooter is located (in flight path).

Doesn't matter to the passengers anyway. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:54 | 4997389 conscious being
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Lybia had sizable missles.

Lybia has been in chaos since we "saved" them from Gaddafi.

Lybia could not have MOAR porous borders.

Lybia is next to Algeria.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:11 | 4997463 Urban Redneck
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I'm tempted to make a joke about brand-new-dropped-once-never-fired heavy French hardware in Mali, but on balance the French seem to be doing at least one or two things things right for about the first time since 1971...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:45 | 4997247 tip e. canoe
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AM 500 KHz

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:49 | 4997260 homiegot
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CNN. They'll be traveling to Africa and setting up a crisis booth to give us live updates every 30 minutes.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:00 | 4997283 Wahooo
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Aliens? I don't think so. I think it's time to bring in Hellboy.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:23 | 4997337 Uncle Remus
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I read Bellboy.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:13 | 4997313 StychoKiller
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Next up: Dogs sleeping with cats!
There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock.[/quote]

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:23 | 4997330 Tall Tom
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Can't wait to see how it all ends. What channel do I tune in to watch the closing credits?


WWJD or WII FM Radio.***


***What Will Jesus Do?  AND  What's In It For Me?


Enjoy it Cognitive Dissonance.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:24 | 4997339 Cognitive Dissonance
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(What's In In For Me)


And for the really old..........WWJRD

(What Would J. R. Do)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:40 | 4997370 Tall Tom
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Do you mean What Is In For Me???


Either Paradise or Hell. My bet is on Hell for me...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:52 | 4997655 dontgoforit
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Salvation is just a request away.  Don't even kid about going to hell.  It's like a particle trying to exist outside of the physical universe - you don't want to be there.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:44 | 4997380 Grinder74
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Aliens = Mooslums. 'Nuff said.



Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:32 | 4997542 just-my-opinion
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Moe won't come back untill there is total K--osss

They be tryin hard...Imam lives in the minds of the weak\

I was tryin to be funny....but it is not

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:24 | 4997511 just-my-opinion
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Epic....lead to What?


If you forget about war....I guess that is what you want?


I can only speak for myself.....I see no other way


Time to play the game....wanna play chess or Thurmo-nuclear war


your choice

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:30 | 4997201 MeMongo
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You didn't know? It's all the rage these days!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:33 | 4997207 NoDebt
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White House says they have proof the Russians shot it down.  YouTube video cited.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:38 | 4997216 Cognitive Dissonance
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Since when did YouTube become a international propaganda outlet?

Oh....wait. YouTube is everyone's personal propaganda outlet, truly the democratization of personal propaganda. No wonder social media stocks are shooting the moon.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:40 | 4997235 Ghordius
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there you have it. make YourOwnFactsTM

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:43 | 4997377 shovelhead
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The only crazy people I watch now are kids who ride bicycles off the family house roof to land in a 6" kiddie pool or Russian dashboard cams.

Russian motorists never cease to amaze. You would NOT want these people to take over your country.

The generic 'end of the world' guys got boring.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:41 | 4997239 Uncle Remus
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Since when did YouTube become a international propaganda outlet?

Since Google acquisition.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:37 | 4997219 Headbanger
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And from Cuba too!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:44 | 4997248 homiegot
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Was the YouTube timestamp the day before?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:55 | 4997273 negative rates
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They can tell you anything, and then people believe what they want to believe.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:10 | 4997307 jay28elle
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Putin is the new Bush. But the WH reserves the right to blame Bush, too.  Just waiting for the BO speech where he places ultimate blame for something on both of them.  Just wait for it...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:47 | 4997621 just-my-opinion
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Was that Tom Hanks in that video

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:36 | 4997215 GrinandBearit
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The airfares should start coming down now... the prices are ridiculous anyway.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:44 | 4997246 Ghordius
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China is doing naval/air exercises on their coast, and this makes the Shanghai Airport (80 million passengers per year) sweat bullets

I remember the times when flying was for the "Jet Set". welcome to the new world of middle and low class air mass-transit. perhaps already at it's "Peak"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:57 | 4997278 tip e. canoe
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"perhaps already at it's "Peak""

propaganda proffered to pester the proles into passivity perhaps part of the plan to push progress off the pinnacle?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:06 | 4997295 Ghordius
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nice rethorical device - probably unconscious on your side, but no, there is no Plan. there are Many Plans. At this moment, for example, I'm wondering where/when the newest Chinese purges (or drives to root out corruption) will stop

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:19 | 4997328 tip e. canoe
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agreed with the Many, not One.

following the surge to purge myself. of course, there's only place it could stop to make any bit of difference, outside of another repeat of the Godfather Trilogy, the Han Chronicles.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:10 | 4997460 conscious being
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Globalists up until recently were pushing air travel for masses.  Helps to homogenize. Easier to lead a pack of dogs when they all know the same whistle. Aviation fuel is not taxed by some global treaty.

Now they throw that under the bus too!?!

More burning down the house. They must hold some awful cards.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:37 | 4997217 Smegley Wanxalot
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. . . . . "Contact was lost after the change of course."

Let me fix that statement for you:

. . . . "Contact was lost after the change, of course."

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:37 | 4997220 williambanzai7
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The State Department has spotted it on Twitter

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:01 | 4997715 dontgoforit
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That's how they get all their news, don't you know?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:38 | 4997221 Oleander
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Someone has figured out how to hack into the systems. There are no coincidences.



Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:40 | 4997222 Bokkenrijder
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Losing radio and/or radar contact in that part of the world is, unfortunately, perfectly normal. VHF (Very high Frequency) radios have only a very limited range, so do radars. HF radios are notoriously unreliable, due to atmospheric disturbances, like solar flares, thunderstorms or the day/night cycle.

Most of Africa by the way is a non-radar environment, which means aircraft (i.e. pilots) have to make position reports as designated fixes or beacons. There is also a special frequency (126,9) where pilots can communicate and coordinate between each other, because ATC (Air Traffic Control) is also notoriously unreliable.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:37 | 4997223 jmcadg
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Didn't ISIS or IS! say they were coming after Spain?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:46 | 4997616 rwe2late
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And Norway Too!

the terror, the terror, the terror

Yellow Peril, Red Scare, AL QAEDA ! !

time to suspend all civil liberties everywhere

to keep us SAFE.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:38 | 4997224 Senduko
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Stuxnet Wi-fly edition?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:39 | 4997227 Hurdy Gurdy Man
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They're saving up planes for later. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:41 | 4997236 rsnoble
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Perhaps tasteless and insensitive but this is the very first thing that popped into my mind:

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:46 | 4997251 Uncle Remus
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No more tasteless and insensitive than the NWO.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:42 | 4997242 observer007
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AH5017 crash?

Latest NEWS here:!q=algerie&t=text

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:42 | 4997243 Pacifico
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It's hard though not to fly over a warzone when your flight dispatches from Burkina Faso.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:42 | 4997244 homiegot
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Flying is safer than driving.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:37 | 4997568 lakecity55
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Not anymore!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:45 | 4997245 FrustratedLogician
Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:45 | 4997250 25or6to4
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Rerouted because of poor visibility? Can't MD-83s fly above the clouds? Or maybe it was a DC-3, stretch version. Any pilots here at ZH to confirm this?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:46 | 4997252 Zodiac
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That is weirder than shit; after you leave Ouagadougou, you are over desert almost all the way up to Algiers.  I've taken a similar flight years ago.  What kind of "poor weather" issues could there possibly be, certainly not massive thunderstorms?  This needs more explanation.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:50 | 4997261 Ghordius
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was thinking the same thing, though I have seen massive sandstorms, there. there was that little study how the Amazonas jungle is literally the "child" of all that mineral fertilizer wealth that reaches it airborne from the Sahara

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:05 | 4997292 Zodiac
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You are correct, but I don't know whether these particles can be carried upward to 30,000+ feet.  Remember the Iceland volcanos affecting flights, but there was a powerful force shooting the ash upward and carried in the jet stream.  

Another issue is that of the other flight on the same path.  It wouldn't seem that this is a highly travelled route -- It's not the US Eastern Corridor or Western/Central Europe, with hundreds of commercial flights in the air at any one time.  One would think that such changes to flight path would be minor, or involve just altitude changes.  I don't know -- not versed in this.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:17 | 4997324 headhunt
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There are times of the year when the dust/sand is actually carried up and across the Atlantic as far as Florida so it may have been a factor... or Putin was testing new missile system.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:58 | 4997409 Tall Tom
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The Amazon is in South AMERICA...WRONG CONTINENT.


The African Rainforest does not extend that far North. However there is a really Moist Decidious Forest along the Southern border of the Algerian frontier..


When you mix Hot Desert Air with Moist Air from that Forest, if I remeber my Meteorology calss well, and I do, I would venture to say that you get Massive Thunderstorm activity along that boundary.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:51 | 4997642 rwe2late
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Tall Tom

check this



Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:26 | 4997914 tony wilson
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a jewish storm

a tippy toe step

towards the samson option.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:50 | 4997259 Wahooo
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Better start cross-tabbing the passenger lists.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:54 | 4997270 Bossman1967
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is this plane on its way here? why is it taking hours to find out where this plane is? If it crashed there is smoke. wtf is going on and I'm supposed to fly next week I feel so good about that and I am going over Jackson Ms that is now dubbed little Detroit am I to feel good about heading to Atlanta nope!!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 07:59 | 4997282 giggler321
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Waiting for CNN - Russia is to blame with those separatists in east Ukraine

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:37 | 4997558 lakecity55
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"Confidential sources tell CNN Russian Separatists may have devised a way to hack aircraft controls worldwide with the help of Russian communications satellites. Although no proof is available, sources tell CNN it is theoretically possible it could happen.

"I have just ordered US Military Advisers to Ukraine. This rash of plane crashes which may possibly be linked to Ukrainian Separatists have convinced me to prepare a US Combat Brigade for deployment to Kiev."

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:01 | 4997286 Peter Pan
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If this isn't strong enough evidence that Putin is behind it, then I give up.

By the way, my prayers go out to both the passengers and their loved ones who must be going through hell.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:05 | 4997290 BeetleBailey
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That's it. I'm canceling my trip to Burkina Faso.

By camel.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:32 | 4997543 krispkritter
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 "Everywhere is within walking distance, if you have the time." SW

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:08 | 4997301 GrinandBearit
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Insert Twillight Zone theme here.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:21 | 4997495 lakecity55
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You mean I can point the mouse at any flight on this liveflighttracker and make it crash?

Yessir, Mr pResident. All aircraft are now connected to our self-destruct software.

Hot damn! I had some bad Algerian food last night. Payback Time!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:14 | 4997318 Dewan
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I haven't checked any statistics about plane crashes for the last years, but I can't believe that bad weather could be a good explanation for the two planes lost during the last 9 days, maybe something else is to blame? Couldt it be that there have been changes in the earth magnetic field which could have affected the plane's navigation systems?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 10:17 | 4997847 effendi
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I thought at least 3 planes have been lost in those 9 days. What about the 48 who died in Taiwan?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4998231 Dewan
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You are right, 3 planes crashed during the last 9 days, but I wasn't including the one that went down in Ukraine because for that crash we can leave aside any "bad weather" or "unexplainable phenomena" as the reason for the disaster. I had in mind only the crash today and the one in Taiwan, which strangely doesn't seem to be such a huge reason of concern as the Malaysian airlines flight that went down near Donetsk. The crash today I believe it's also going to get much more attention that the one in Taiwan.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:15 | 4997320 SpanishGoop
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If it crashed I'll bet that we will have perfect satellite images of the crash side within 24 hours.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:45 | 4997383 barre-de-rire
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if usa is shooting every single plane from countries that pissed them off for years, it is faster to shut down  world wide flights...


fuck you CIA i do not flight i got a cycle !!!! OWNED !!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:23 | 4997505 Tall Tom
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You cycle? On roads? That are shared with Automobiles?


Last time that I checked Cars usually win those types of disputes over the sharing of space at the same time.


Just saying...


Nobody is untouchable by those bastards. Nobody. Not even me.


If you were a threat an if they wanted you erased...My money would be on them succeeding...and getting away with it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:42 | 4997587 barre-de-rire
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i use cycle only on short buy like bred & kind of stuff.

i also got a car, but, you know, cities...

cycling  will go  expensive when oil will raise ( to me expected early 2015 )

price will explose imho. just like steel...

years ago becker knive kabar line was about 50$, now to get a fucking bk9 to france i paid 115$ !

price of good chromium vanadium made in usa i guess.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:46 | 4997384 Cetyc
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Perhaps some CIA/Pentagon contractor hired to cause a diversion...?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:48 | 4997390 Grinder74
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GLOBAL WARMING!!!!11!!1!!!!!

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