Dutch Investigators End Another Ukraine Conspiracy: No Evidence Black Box Was Tampered With

Tyler Durden's picture

Another day, another Ukraine conspiracy disproved by fact. Despite the Ukraine government's insistence that the Malaysian Airlines black-boxes had been taken (and possibly manipulated), the investigators from The Dutch Safety Board have issued a statement confirming, "no evidence or
indications of manipulation of the recorder was found."

Here's what they saod a week ago...


And now we find out...

Via The Dutch SafetyBoard,

Data Flight Data Recorder MH17 downloaded


Following yesterday’s press release, the international investigation team led by the Dutch Safety Board, continued the work on the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight Data Recorder today. The work took place at the Farnborough headquarters of the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) in the United Kingdom. The international investigation team has conducted a thorough examination of the Flight Data Recorder. The Flight Data Recorder was slightly damaged but the memory module was intact. Furthermore, no evidence or indications of manipulation of the recorder was found. Following the examination, the data was successfully downloaded and the Flight Data Recorder contained valid data of the flight. The data from both recorders will be further analysed and combined.


A thorough analysis of the information obtained will take time and the results will be included in the investigation.

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So which of the US/Ukraine "facts" are actually true?

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COSMOS's picture

Damn if we had only had listened to the MSM I could of been hunkered down for 30 days in my nuclear shelter and looking through my periscope at the glow in the night time sky.  I hate it when we narrowly miss a world war.

Never fear the investigators may still yet perish in a plane crash.

AlaricBalth's picture

While the Flight Data Recorder is a potentially useful tool to aid investigators, the voice recorder will probably be more telling.

zaphod's picture

Since this was a Malaysian flight that crashed in Ukraine, why isn't the flight recorder being sent to either Ukrainian or Malaysian officials for investigation? I've been to both countries, they're capable of this. What gives the Dutch the right to take over this?

Pinto Currency's picture




"...UK government sources say intelligence shows rebels deliberately tampered with evidence, moving bodies and placing parts from other planes in the debris. ..."




COSMOS's picture

Pics of debris


And good article about missile damage to cockpit area


I agree zaphod, the experts should of been doing analysis in an impartial country, I would of said maybe China or Brazil etc.


Pinto Currency's picture



Now what plane parts are those that have been placed?  Are there serial number issues?

More information needed.

McMolotov's picture

Can anyone confirm or deny this guy's images?


Apparently, pictures of the wreckage at the crash site match up with MH370 but not with MH17. The bottomless rabbit hole keeps getting more bottomless.

Miles Ahead's picture

China or Brazil.  The two countries that accepted and disposed of the debris and scrap from Ground Zero.  Hey, who can ya trust these daze?

MarsInScorpio's picture

This post I found is too good not to get as many readers as possible. The first-person "I" in it refers to the original writer, and not to me.


My question is: What happens when the entire false flag unravels, and it's beyond denial that the Ukraine junta in Kiev, and US agents at the very top of the US government are the mass murders in this afffair.


(Vickie, the clock's ticking down on you, and John, K., and John McC., and Eric, and Hagel, and Dempsey, and Diane F., and of course, "I only know about it because I read about it in the newspapers" Barack . . .)


There will be a worldwide demand for their trial - and execution. There will be nowhere for them to hide . . .


Here is the post:


A fuller version of what happened starts emerging piece by piece. First, as I pointed out earlier, in one his daily battle reports, Strelkov or his associates indicated as if in passing that the Malaysian airliner, Boeing 777, was shot down by Ukrainian jet fighters. Then came the briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense, which showed a Ukrainian SU-25 within 3-5 km from the Boeing at the very moment when the Boeing was hit. In the next four minutes, the Ukrainian fighter remained in the area. At the moment, when the Boeing was hit, it was also within the range of several Ukrainian Buk batteries, which were deployed close to Donetsk and then, just for that very day, 8km south of Shakhterskoye, which is also only several miles from the crash site.

Today (July 23), Anna-News published an interview with a Russian Air Force retired colonel Aleksand Zhilin (????????? ?????) who is a frequent military commentator on the conflict in Ukraine. The most important information is stated at 2:00-5:00 in the interview.

According to the colonel, at 16:19:45, a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades in the southern pocket by the Russian border.

When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, "the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and order the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing's emergency landing." A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.

The disclosure of the Russian electronic intelligence (in fact, only one part of it) on July 21 put the US against the wall. The existence of this intelligence and other data also means that the US cannot show the real intelligence, which they also have, including the data from their electronic warfare exercise SEA BREEZE 2014 and the data from their spy satellite, which just happened to be over the area during the downing of the Malasysian Boeing.

The other relevant information, which the Russian colonel revealed, was that the Malaysian Boeing was insured for $97 million against damages or losses as a result of military actions.

COSMOS's picture

Great post, makes sense the Ukes put the plane right where they wanted it.  It all boils down to why the Uke air traffic control specifically put the plane there.  Its pretty obvious the Uke govt is holding the smoking gun. 

Day_Of_The_Tentacle's picture

I remember a very early video of the flight path where you actually saw a slight triangular step back before it stopped. I will try to remember which video. It was one, where the guy wanted to show another plane coming in from slightly above to end on the exact same path and position as MH-17. 

Day_Of_The_Tentacle's picture

@MarsInScorpio - Do you have a link for Anna-News? I have searched for it, but I get all kinds of cwap.

Thought Processor's picture



The above posts on the jimstone pics and on the Ukraine shoot down are critical.   This also meshes with the Ukraine government literally falling apart at the moment.


Something is obviously going on here that is much much bigger than what is being put forth on the public.


Things are coming undone.   Finally.


Day_Of_The_Tentacle's picture

Yes but the pictures used as the argumentation are not the newest pictures of the planes. Both planes had no window right next to the exit when the incidents happened. Both had plugs. That kind of "proof" reporting will backfire.

Ying-Yang's picture

Thanks for the post!

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

This incident may wake up many people!

BlindMonkey's picture

If this is even remotely true it will be immediately evident by the voice cockpit recordings. The first missile would not have killed the pilots so their chatter of what to do will be the topic of conversation between them.

Thought Processor's picture



Yes, yes, and yes.  


It's coming down.

Ying-Yang's picture


TPTB are overconfident in their ability to control situations.

"Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword"

With so many false flags, it was only a matter of time.


Thought Processor's picture



I'm thinking the same.  Though I believe that the real truth is quite complicated.

It's about time.

WhackoWarner's picture

I tried to follow some link to the above interview and "has been taken down".

I suggest you preserve this.  I am of the belief that this is getting to the truth (that an air-to-air missile was integral and that it came from Uke fighter).

AlaricBalth's picture

Kiev Control: "Malaysia 17 this is Kiev control. Please change your heading by 18 degrees N to heading 85 E for 20 miles. Then turn SE by 30 degrees and maintain heading of ESE 115 degrees. Please acknowledge."

Flight 17 Pilot: "What??? Are you crazy? That puts us right over disputed territory. No way, Jose'!!!"

Kiev Control: "Malaysia 17. Do you see two Ukrainian SU-25's at your wingtips?"

Flight 17 Pilot: "Yes Kiev"

Kiev Control: "Then execute flight maneuver now!!!"

Flight 17 Pilot: "Roger that Kiev. Oh crap....." 

Malaysia 17 flight paths. July 16 and 17. quite a difference:


Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

Damn those Russian-backed, East Ukraine pirates! How dare they not tamper with them there black boxes! /sarc

davepowers's picture

thanks for posting the latest from British Broadcasting.

rebels placing parts of other planes in the debris! that's dastardly!

any chance any of the parts were from MH 370?


tonyw's picture

The freedom fighters/rebels/terrorists (as you wish) cut into the plane to search for bodies, of course the western presstitutes spin this as "disturbing the wreckage"

I would like to see any actual evidence of other plane parts as opposed to just hearing more rumours.

In a similar way the bodies were put into a refrigerated train using coffins stacked on top of each other, this was called disrespecting the bodies. At the same time the junta army was still shelling areas close to the crash site making things more difficult. And the people have been killed themselves so there's a shortage of most things as utilities have been destroyed. But let's ignore that, just complain about things and make up stories about looting of victims.


Ness.'s picture

The Dutch are very close neighbors with our newest, and bestest treasury buying buddy, Belgium.  It's CONvenient.

Miles Ahead's picture

And I've never been to Ukraine, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Uh, perhaps because it's mostly Dutch people who perished??  How "visiting Ukraine" (before the societal collapse mind you) qualifies you to determine that they are qualified to hold an investigation sans legitimate government or even a basic PM, is beyond me.  I go to KL regularly; they make some mean satay with peanut sauce and Nasi (something).  But never ran across the TBFVNTIC (Tourist Bureau For Verifying National Technical Investigative Capabilities). 

Is it on Jalan Imbi or near Bukit Bintang?

walküre's picture

Dutch are arrogant pricks. They're uber qualified to be US allies. I know for a fact that if 130 Germans had died on this plane, the black boxes would be examined in Malaysia with assistance by a team of German advisors.

The Dutch are also DEMANDING the crash site be fully secured so they can investigate.

Sure, Frits they will get right on that and secure a war zone just so your team of nitwits can stumble around and find what exactly? Scrap metal?

Sure the Dutch troops will gladly line-up to fight against Russia when the day comes. It's a good script!

Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

~"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch."~ Nigel Powers


tony wilson's picture

What gives the Dutch the right to take over this?

dimona based yisha security firms run security for the dutch.

call it a kosher control grid

JohninMK's picture

THe Dutch had more people killed than anyone, plus the plane departed from their soil plus the Malaysians asked them plus Putin agreed plus 50 Australian coppers are in London ready to go to site. That's why.



Miles Ahead's picture

... plus 1.  Sounds about right to me.

Plus Sir LVG is my new Manager, and Sir RVP will lead us to the promised land.  Leave the Dutch the fuck alone!

LeftyGoldblatt's picture

CIA Factbook indicates Netherlands are Russia's major export partner?.


   Netherlands 14.6%, China 6.8%, Germany 6.8%, Italy 6.2%, Turkey 5.2%, Ukraine 5.2%, Belarus 4.7% (2012 est.)



Jano's picture

1. Malaysia was a british colony, the ties between secret services still exist.

2. MH is GLC (Government Linked Company). Its members of the board and executives came also from police and secret services.

MH will do, what they are told to do.

by the way, the MH17 and MH370 might be the same plane.


JohninMK's picture

Malaysia do NOT do what they are told. Why else would two of their 777s be downed? They went against the US and paid for it.


fuu's picture

Malaysia had condemed the Israeli government just hours before the plane blew up. They have also been fund raising for the Palestinians since 2002.


"Anifah also said that the Palestine Humanitarian Trust Fund established in 2002 under the purview of Wisma Putra was ready to receive financial donations from the public.

He said the accumulated donation would be channelled to the Palestinian people via the relevant international bodies to help ease their suffering.

All donations could be channelled to the CIMB Islamic Bank account number 8600302489."


Swift code is: CTBBMYKL

Rootin' for Putin's picture

No.  They are not.  There are not many CVR playback labs.  2 in europe, one of which is UK.

The rest i guess are Austrailia (inventors), Canada, USA, Russia.

Wikipedia is unusually unhelpful in helping me figure out the rest.

MacGruber's picture

They wouldn't have gained anything by tampering with them. A missile with a 150 lb warhead  coming up the tailpipe of a commercial jet at over mach 3 isn't going to leave time for anything useful to be recorded. The black box is just going to show massive systems loss and the craft falling out of the sky at terminal velocity.

The only thing that will directly link the missile to either party are serialized nameplates of any of the missile components. The pro-Russian group knows this, that's why they scoured the sites first before they let anyone else in. There still might be a chance of finding some identifiers but not likely.

I think it's far more likely that the pro-Russian group shot it down, they have been shooting shit down right and left and fairly indiscriminately; helicopters, cargo planes, fighter jets. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy, it's just war.

COSMOS's picture

Why was the plane directed over that area at that point in time.  If you read ZH you would of seen that the rebels did not have ability to put a missile that high up even if they had one battery.  All the planes you mentioned were downed by low altitude stinger type missiles.

Also where are the recording of the air traffic controllers?  Why were they seized?  Your story has too many holes in it. BUt if it pleases you by all means keep your conviction.

MacGruber's picture

You're right, I haven't been sitting in the ZH circle jerk of conspiracies, with my aluminum hat on. It's ALL a master plan manufactured by the Fed and Obama, you're totally right, they run everything. Anything that is reported anywhere other than on ZH must be a facade intended to deceive all that really KNOW what's happening, which would be you guys exclusively, everyone else is just ignorant.

There is no such thing as an accidental shoot down of a plane, it's all part of a grand master plan.

My story has too many holes does it? You're right, the conspiracy you have is so much more practical. Air traffic controllers sent the plane off course intentionally so that the Ukraine could shoot it down to produce a black flag incident over disputed territory? Yeah, that seems so much more practical that some goofball with an advanced weapon system getting over zealous. So many fewer people involved and the outcome is so much more predictable and beneficial to Ukraine. 

Here's some crackpot MSM news for ya I'm sure it can't be trusted, you're right, just stingers. I'm sure this guy is a plant send by Kerry to decieve the world.


This reporter is smoking hash too:


Here are the stats on the BUK, I'm sure these were fabricated by MSNBC as part of a coverup involving Bernanke and Ellen Degeneres:


Fact is none of us, NONE, know what really happened. Unless you want to take a balanced view of the facts, you will be just as dangerous as the MSM watchers, you're just drinking different kool-aid. BUT if it pleases you by all means keep your conviction.


Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

If the Pro Russian seperatists did shoot the plane down it wasn't indiscriminately. They've been shadowing civilian airliners and most likely spoofing their transponder signals to fool the missile targeting systems to get close enough to do bombing runs without being shot down.

Remember the Ukrainian security services confiscated all the air traffic controller radar logs almost immediately after it happened. They'd primarily being doing that only if there was things like jet fighters picked up when it went down. It would be even more damning if those radar logs picked up a missile launch from one of those jet fighters into the plane or a launch point outside occupied territory. Either way there is something damning to them on those logs or they wouldn't have confiscated them in the first place.

MacGruber's picture

Wait. So you're agreeing with me then that it could have been an accidental shoot down because Uks fighters were trailing a civilian aircraft? I thought the seperatists didn't have stuff that shot that high, at least that's what other guys here in the comments are saying. If that's the case then why would they need to trail? nothing could touch them... Hmmm. Oh wait, maybe they do have them, but I'm sure this is a cover up story to what really happened, the fighters intentionally self destructed to make it look like they were shot down, clever Uks: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/23/ukraine-says-2-fighter-jets-may-...


Confiscated radar logs. Maybe they confiscated them just like the separatists confiscated the black boxes, to keep them from being tampered with or lost. But that's just crazy talk, I know. They did it to cover up their tracks, no one must see what the AWACs and other radar systems on both sides saw. There are only a few overlapping ground radars in the area: http://skyvector.com/?ll=48.073611,37.739722&chart=301&zoom=3

I'm not even going to get into the whole transponder thing, suffice to say that military radars don't need transponder signals to ident a plane.


Anusocracy's picture

Now they can get around to doing some serious evidence tampering.

GoldenGeezer's picture

That's right. By making the statement that the box has not been tampered with or manipluated, they are also saying that the truth is what we tell you it is. 

Anusocracy's picture

They have the Moral Lie Ground now.

BlindMonkey's picture

"I hate it when we narrowly miss a world war."

Give it a week or 2. You will get another chance.

Barry is like Gilligan. Every episode he almost gets his war (or off the island) but manages to fuck it up in the last few minutes.

luftmensch's picture

Damn "Cosmos", you replied within 10 minutes of the article post yet again!  Almost as if you work for the KGB/FSB full-time as a blog commenter, and have your handy dandy hacker tools to alert you the moment articles go up!  Especially articles about Ukraine...

And every few days you change your avatar to a new bimbo, trying to attract Zero Hedge nerds?  

Is "Cosmos" some Russian cultural misunderstanding of a girly name?


Kirk2NCC1701's picture

What's that old quote about "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes" comes to mind.

After it's "downloaded", ANYTHING can be done to the (digital!) data.  Stuff can be added or deleted at will.  Ask the NSA.