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Here Is How Amazon's Ugliest Quarter In Years Looked Like In Six Charts
Just when we thought "the world's marketplace" Amazon couldn't possibly report any uglier quarterly numbers, it goes and proves us wrong. First, it reported an EPS loss of $0.27, vs the $0.15 expected as a result of ($126) million in Net Income. The operating loss was "only" $15 million compared to an expectation of $64 million, however this appears the result of pulling forward wales into Q2 since the Company also announced that the Q3 operating loss would be a whopping $410-$810 million, what would be the biggest operating loss in years. That this will happen even as AMZN expects net sales to grow between 15% and 26% from a year ago to $19.7 - $21.5 billion is truly disturbing.
As to what is really going on with the business, the following charts should explain it all, starting with perhaps the most important one of all. In Q2, AMZN's LTM Operating Margin just dropped to 0.8%, quite possibly the lowest print since Lehman if not before.
Not only is Amazon growing sales, it is also growing its army of part-time workers, which in Q2 rose to a record 132,600, up a massive 37% from 97,000 a year ago. However, no such luck for the company's global net sales growth, which just dipped back to 22%: the lowest number in recent history.
Thos curious how the company's business is doing on a net and operating income basis in the last 4 years, here is the answer.
An uglier picture is revealed when looking only at the all important operating margin: at 0.1% in Q2, it was only the 3rd time AMZN has had a negative quarterly margin since Lehman.
To avoid the confusion of seasonality, we show just Q2 in the past five years. The Operating and Net Income trends are clear.
But by far the worst trend is that in operating margin. It needs no commentary.
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Remember, it's all the snow's fault: none of the above has anything to do with the state of the US consumer.
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Don't worry - wait for the CC- Bezos will polish this turd of a qtr. like the gay, frustrated astronaut that he is...
Frustrated?
well his last spaceship attempt crashed and burned... maybe he can work for NASA when AMZN goes tits up?
But, But, But stock price is in mid 300-400 range...
Man I though this was ov ervalued at 20...
Some companies just get that "luck" - no matter what they do they are "darlings" of big money manipulators and short squuzers satans out their
They seem to be attempting to hold the line against price deflation in discretionary goods as food and energy inflation leave consumers with less to spend.
So? No sale.
I'd like to think my wife had something to do with this. Usually I'd come home 3-4x a week and see an Amazon box sitting around. Now Google Shopping Express is at our house 4-5x a week dropping crap off.
exactly, Bezos has been "building a moat" around a tiny margin/no barriers to entry business, same with "web services" is he gonna beat out CRM, CSCO, HPQ, IBM etc. at their own game? ... or just keep cutting the price until everyone loses...what a fuk'n joke...
Business model:
Step 1: Force all competitors into bankruptcy.
Step 2: Avoid going bankrupt in the process.
Step 3: Profit.
He could make that EPS loss look bigger if he bought back some shares.
Business model: Lose money on every sale but make it up in volume.
The obvious ones:
1) two massive postal rate increases in one year;
2) internet sales tax;
3) loss of the private sector Middle Class buyers who will pay more for something Brand New and 2-day delivery with Prime; and
4)...i forgot #4 but it's there.
A seller can ship a 1 pound item (dress, etc) to NYC thru their chinese post office with signature confirm cheaper in many cases then a seller in USA can ship it from what my neighbor say swho used to sell old records and phonograph equipment before he went belly up last year.
What? You got a problem with a measley 560 P/E?
You mean the big CIA government contract Amazon scored didn't help?
Buying the Washington Post was supposedly Bezos (Amazon's) coming out as a true bedfellow in the American facist playpen.
Give it some time, Amazon's numbers will stabilize the more it sucks off the surveillance state tit. They will be TBTF and propped up like the rest of the corrupt corporate government loving-scum.
http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/amazon-...
http://www.cio.com/article/2383569/government-use-of-it/what-the-cia-pri...
Jeff is doing a crappy job making up earnings reports
Capital One had a great quarter. All kinds of new debt going around. But no one is buying anything. Strange indeed. Has anyone looked at a ten year chart of the Down Jones and seen how the volume is looking the past three months? Shocking to say the least. I gove this rickshaw ride six months tops before either the wheels fall off or the chinese man pulling the cart gets stabbed by a Honduran invader.
Retail is suffering all over...the fact that AMZN can't escape the falling tide is confirmation of the *excellent* economic recovery.
What happens to the books that we bought for Kindle?
They still won't be read (until somebody makes a app that transmits the words directly into the brain, most kindle books will remain unread forever).
It was just the weather, once things warm up the green shoots will grow and propel the economy to escape velocity; straight to the moon!
Look like a strong buy to me.
Goldman says "conviction buy of the century!"
Well, they certainly should be convicted for that advice , so they are partly
right.
What is it with Bezos and Musk ?
Can't people tell who is a snake oil salesmen anymore ?
Since market valution has almost nothing to do with earnings these days why are these companies still forced to divulge this proprietary and often embarrassing information to the public?
You don't see this kind of thing happening in The UK right now where the AAIB (Air Accidents Investigations Branch) are busy listening to the final moments of the MH17 cockpit voice recorder.
"They have the kit to analyse in minute detail what can be heard in the last few minutes of flight MH17. The information is incredibly sensitive so investigators gather in a sealed room so that only those who should be listening can listen."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28457759
Now THAT'S how you keep bad information from hitting the streets. Clearly Amazon is in need of "The Kit".
Talking of the UK:
The operating loss was "only" $15 million compared to an expectation of $64 million, however this appears the result of pulling forward wales into Q2
I have to say that it seems a bit unfair to drag Wales into it. And while it's not a big country, I'm surprised that all of it would fit into Amazon's Q2. Even more surprised that it's worth only $49 million.
My wife keeps ordering from these fuckers, any time she remembers something. So, they get to pay for 2 day delivery (prime membership), every time she remembers some book or doo-dad that she wants/needs.
No wonder they are losing money. How much is 2 day shipping on a 6.99 book or oven glove?
Well, right now, but when they perfect that delivery rocket, the item will come directly through your roof at almost no cost.
First good post!
Tell me, what date did Amazon start to collect states' sales tax? Doesn't seem to have hurt sales. Oh. Yeah. Profits. Whoops....
I guess when you have your own spaceship and swarm of drones, you don't need no stinkin' profits...
The second reason I quit. Forgot about that.
"Already priced in". It's only $358 a share. It was over $400 before the previous quarter's big miss. lol.
I can't remember a quarter since about 2007 that Amazon hasn't missed their numbers. Either revenues miss, or "earnings" miss. See the trend. They are a retailer. They must choose one or the other...
No earnings, no dividend, a ridiculously leveraged balance sheet and this pig is still going to trade at over $330 a share. Gotta love this "market". No bubbles here!
"Here Is How Amazon's Ugliest Quarter In Years Looked Like In Six Charts"
I'm really sorry to be this way, but we don't say "how something looked like". We say "how something looked".
Like, dude, epic fail. Totally.
I'm really sorry to be this way, but "you really haven't any idea how much of a loser you look like"
What you put in quotes there is correct, unlike the headline. Nicely done.
Are we getting it, yet? No one has any fucking money to spend, except on bare necessities.
Well, and automobile bling. Does Amazon sell cars?
Pretty much. Cars sell to people who aren't going to pay back the loan.
Everything you need to know was in that housing report this morning. No buyers. And they revised previous months, because I guess the buyers gave the houses back to the sellers and moved their furniture back out.
I mean, who can believe this shit?
I have completly stopped buying at Amazon, Ebay etc. Prefer to support local retailers and shops instead of some mega oligarchy company CEOs, HFs, banks etc.
Prefer to support humans working hard rather than online monsters sucking the lifeblood out of local infrastructure.
If everybody buys at Amazon - at some point you have every second city looking like Detroit.
Globalism is good for the oligarchs and money lords and money changers - but it brings just tears and joblessness to the local communities.
Hope more sheeple are gonna wake up and stop buying at those monsters.
It is hard to see why Amazon has any fans when you consider how they abuse and exploit the brick and mortar stores that line streets throughout America. These are the stores that employ our family members, support little league teams in the community, and add value to our lives.
These stores build or lease space, buy supplies from the other local businesses, and pay both sales and real-estate taxes. While Amazon sends out the signal that their customers are smart, forward thinking, and upscale they exploit America and have an evil side, this is a side we should and must recognize. More on this subject below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/10/amazon-not-answer.html
Ebay's new slogan, 'Support your local shoplifter.'
Amazon is so yesterday...If you take into consderation how they ban sellers on their platform no wonder people look elswere
How many fucking times do I have to tell you idiots! People are not going to go out and shop at Amazon in bad weather!
Good point. Adjusted for rain, or absence of rain, or sun or floods or plagues of locusts or all of the above, they musta had a great quarter.
The weather hates your freedoms. That's the problem that you will not face.
Negative operating margin not a problem. They can make it up on volume
A+ ...very funny, epic in fact.
... just like GM, without the recalls...
that seems to be the plan
http://www.tv.com/shows/i-love-lucy/the-million-dollar-idea-17116/
They lose money on every jar, but plan to make it up on volume.
I noticed that some prices were higher there on things I bought in the recent past. I use the site: http://www.camelcamelcamel.com to see how prices on items fluctuate over the year at Amazon. That site can save you lots of money if you need to buy stuff from Amazon.
Here's a couple examples on how prices change over time on items at Amazon:
Adobe Photoshop Elements 12 price range:
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Adobe-65225054-Photoshop-Elements-12/product/...
LG TV
http://camelcamelcamel.com/LG-Electronics-42LN5400-42-Inch-1080p/product...
CoQ10
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Qunol-Ultra-CoQ10-Absorption-Coenzyme/product...
Nexus 10
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Google-Nexus-10-Wi-Fi-only/product/B00ACVI202...
Just search for whatever item you're shopping for. The graph and price range will give you and idea if it's a bargain.
FWIW: I always use their slow free shipping method. I usually get the items in 2 days anyway.
Thanks for the link ... already using now
Why only Amazon, I wonder. I actually caught BBY lowering a TV price within a month. I called them, about their price guarantee, and got the $20+ back. Most amazing thing ever.
I just had someone ask me why Wal-mart is so empty.
I told them the economy sucks, but the media is in denial.
Guess they aren't buying online either.
p/e > 500
shine, shine, you swim so fine
but miss one stroke and your ass is mine...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC0uvUuXVh8
They need to implement Bitcoin as a payment method.
Inflation you can't pass on to the consumer is a bitch bichez.
"Net" like in a fish net?
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uxfRDL-JzM
Amazon specializes in hype and not profits! Words like "evolving" are used to describe Amazon's business model, a better word might be undefined. Regardless Amazon rolls on. Pointing towards gaining synergy as they continue to buy companies, some unproven. The revenues from these companies add to their growth but still no profits exist. Beware Amazon is far from transparent.
I contend this growth mask a weakness at their core? If they are indeed a distribution company their stock should be trading at around 18 times earnings. When you look for a P/E ratio on Amazon you find NA because the company makes no money. Another key weakness is that new competition can now cheaply and easily replicate the most profitable parts of Amazon and cherry pick much of their future potential. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, it is only a question of time. More on this subject below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/10/amazon-not-answer.html
The sales slump was predicted by, at least, me when they raised the free shipping threshold to $35. I've switched over to Ebay.
I don't think Amazon has ever made a profit. EVER. They must have deep pockets.
Nah, you don't need profits these days, all you need is a big watermelon truck, erm I mean market share.
Go to the stock market and turn that into market cap, and your stock options will turn into all the personal profits you need.
Screw profits for the company and the people working for the company.