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Russia Accuses US Of Fabricating MH17 Evidence As US Reveals More "Evidence" Of Russian Military Involvement

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The farce of facts continues to grow as Ukraine's national security council head says US is wrong (in finding no link to Russia) and claims to have proof MH17 was shot down by Russians (from BBG)


and then the US State Department unleashes another statement of alleged 'proof' that Russia is sending rockets to separatists and firing on Ukraine's military from within Russia. Of course, while no 'evidence' has been offered, we are sure this is all backed by YouTube clips and Tweets that 'prove' it is fact.


Here's the video proof that Russia is firing into Ukraine (allegedly) - click image for link


And then Russia hit back, blasting Washington's claims that pro-Russian rebels fired a missile that hit the plane on July 17 "mostly cited social networks" and did not correspond to reality.

Russia suggested on Thursday that the United States was trying to fabricate evidence that separatists in eastern Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.


Anatoly Antonov, deputy defence minister, said Washington's claims that pro-Russian rebels fired a missile that hit the plane on July 17 "mostly cited social networks" and did not correspond to reality.


Alexander Yakovenko, Russia's ambassador to Britain, also poured scorn on the widespread belief that Moscow is supplying the rebels, saying: "Russia doesn't supply weapons to local de facto (separatist) authorities in eastern Ukraine" and that "no evidence whatsoever has been presented that the Russian government has been doing this".


"So where is this evidence?" he asked on the Rossiya-24 channel. "Why is it not presented to the public? Is it, if I may say so, still being finished off?"

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The US using fabricated social media as a pretext to start a war? Where have we seen this before? Oh yes, last summer, when the Obama administration brought the world to the edge of all out war over the Syrian "chemical attack", an attack which Seymor Hersh subsequently showed was nothing but a false flag provocation.


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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:49 | 4999667 world_debt_slave
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:53 | 4999680 strannick
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"Truth", (and USD) is the only thing the US still manufactures domestically, and exports it worldwide via its assinine MainStreamMedia. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:57 | 4999722 Alex Zhyk
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Well, one can buy Russian truth. Not so sure he's gonna like it more.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:59 | 4999735 strannick
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Fortunately there is Truth behind the truths and we have thinking minds to determine what that is.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:05 | 4999768 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I'm here to tell you not to blame Obama. He's been busy raising money in Hollywood for his presidential library the last two days. He has nothing to do with this.

Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:08 | 4999808 NotApplicable
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How dare he smear socialist media!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:19 | 4999853 MarsInScorpio
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It's begining to dawn on the US that those at the top of this mass murder will be held for crimes against humanity, and either imprisoned for life, or hung.


Nuland, Kerry, Clinton, Dempsey, Hagel, Clapper, et. al. are getting really nervous . . .


And they should be having night terrors. When it is proven that the US collaborated with the neo-Nazi junta in Ukraine to murder 300 innocents for the sake of the bankers and oligarchs, even some of the sheeple will demand that they be tried, and executed.


It might even get Barack "I do a good job at killing people" Obama to think about hanging from the end of a rope after being sentenced by the International Court of Justice.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:24 | 4999887 Lore
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ICJ is UN, like the IPCC. "Who do you trust, hubba hubba hubba, money money money, who do you trust?"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:45 | 5000041 linniepar
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Be patrotic, sell my saigas

Keep em, may never get another

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:48 | 5000064 svayambhu108
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More common sense from "the wrong side"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:50 | 5000077 Latina Lover
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False Flag Fail by the USSA/Kiev Kriminals. 

The USSA story reads like the elaborations of a bad liar.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:59 | 5000128 svayambhu108
Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:12 | 5000189 Herd Redirectio...
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Those rockets remind me of the Katyusha rockets, from WWII:

"is extremely effective in saturation bombardment, and was particularly feared by German soldiers"


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:28 | 5000268 semperfidelis
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Is there anything manufactured in Russia except vodka?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:41 | 5000313 Stackers
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Is it just me, or does it look winter in that video clip ? notice the lack of leaves of the trees ?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:15 | 5000944 The Alarmist
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The separatists are firing off so many missles that the massive and extensive exhaust plumes have burned away all the foliage.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:59 | 5000425 Serfs Up
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Dudes the video shows trees without leaves.  


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:13 | 5000192 Herd Redirectio...
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I didn't know Putin piloted missile-carrying geese!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:24 | 4999890 NotApplicable
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LOL, like the banksters/oligarchs aren't in control of the ICJ.

They're more afraid they'll be taken out for not following orders.

I don't understand how you could believe in true justice in a world run by the mafia. These people might be scared, but certainly not of their own apparatus of control.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:27 | 5000261 aardwolf
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:58 | 5000374 PhilofOz
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Sorry but being remote controlled brain-dead Zombies is what the vast majority are best at.

Perhaps they are remotely controlled, very similar to the BHUAP system Boeing uses to stop terrorists from taking control of their planes, except for Government terrorists using BHUAP of course....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:53 | 5000392 caShOnlY
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aardwolf, they can't hear you.  Unbeknownst to the average americans TV has turned them into zombies, but you knew this already.  With just a few more hours of TV they will gladly give up their guns as easily as they have given up their good paying jobs.  TV will turn them on Putin, Russia or whomever TPTB need to scare at the moment.  Saudi Arabia got its warning recently as you may recall..... "release the report".  

Sadly there is no more americans left, just the byproduct of a corporate media campaign going back years that has produced "ameriCONS".   Don't expect much to happen in the way of a revolt or otherwise as most are just debt infested zombies.  When the bad times come for them they will accept any excuse the 55" inch tells them. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:23 | 5000550 disabledvet
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Yeah, pretty much.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:55 | 5000403 I Am Not a Copp...
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Huh, what?  Oh sorry Kardashians were on.  What were you saying?  A little louder please.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:21 | 5000525 pods
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Go away, batin!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:48 | 5000362 WTFUD
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Agree with everything but it's the International Court of ' Injustice '.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:21 | 5000532 teslaberry
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what fucking fantasia do you live in .


the only way warlords stand trial for mass murder is when a military court places them on trial necessitating a war in which said warlords UNEQUIVOCALLY lose. 


we have the fucking nukes, russia does, etc...(i'm not giving free lessons right now about nuclear strategic posture and the nuclear club) 


bottom line is it is highly unpredictable as to whom would lose in a nuclear war, by lose i don't mean 'country' i mean which warlords would lose to the conquering warlords. 


and thus, you are living in some ridiculous retard world. 


when and if financial collapse comes to the u.s. ----the u.s. warlords will be required to double down on domestic oppression or choose to leave the sinking ship like the natzi's and germans who fled to south america throughout the early 40's. 


i don't think the u.s. is any wwhere near close to losing ww3, but we may be closer to starting it, 

but you're head is up your ass and you are seeing the world as you'd like it to be as opposed to how it is. 


where in hell is radical marijuana when you need him. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:44 | 5000729 RafterManFMJ
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It's begining to dawn on the US that those at the top of this mass murder will be held for crimes against humanity, and either imprisoned for life, or hung.
Perhaps. But if so it will just drive them all the harder with more, bigger and crazier gambits.

If the loss of the US dollar and US power, along with a massive collapse, means a date with the gibbit you can bet they will go all in and watch this world burn in fire.

After all, the only forlorn hope they have is to keep up the bullshit and provocation; all else leads to death for them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:35 | 5001062 Ookspay
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Nope, thanks for playing the crazy conspiracy game, but Soooorrryy...

Russian backed "separatists" accidentally shot down a civilian airliner when they were trying to shoot down a military jet like they do almost everyday...

None of this would have even happenned if vlad the angry inch would stop trying to rebuild the Soviet Union by invading and destabilizing his neighbors.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:07 | 4999810 magnetosphere
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he wont have a presidential library at this rate

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:23 | 4999882 IndyPat
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We can make room for one in Levenworth.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:24 | 5000570 disabledvet
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In some States there are more black people in prison than there are black people in the State. (Sound of crickets chirping from White House.)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:55 | 5000809 RafterManFMJ
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:33 | 4999955 Quus Ant
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Maybe he can get a wing of George Bush's library.


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:14 | 4999842 tony wilson
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obarme raising funds for his library.

what a horror show.


not since gehghis khan have so many books been burnt.

from libya,iraq,syria,ukrainia  2 timbucktu.

a satanic cia,mossad mi6 history erasing low level operation.

what rotten show



Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:09 | 5000175 Miles Ahead
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Food and Beverage Alert!  lmao...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:57 | 5001478 Flagit
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not since gehghis khan have so many books been burnt.

I've spent a good 20 minutes trying to tie together a Fahrenheit 454 and Obummer joke.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:03 | 5000146 PacOps
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"Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers..."

IMSM I think it was $32,500 ... you would be a tad short. ;-)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:03 | 5000859 Liberal
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I can cover $500 with my EBT card!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:07 | 5000451 Tall Tom
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As a staunch liberal, I'm here to tell you not to blame Obama. He's been busy raising money in Hollywood for his presidential library the last two days. He has nothing to do with this.

Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers...


Liberal...Thank you for the humor. You are great!!!


LMAO. You have got them down to a Tee.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:25 | 4999892 Jack Burton
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"strannick" You make an excellent point, there really is a truth behind what happened, and careful work can find that truth out. The smoke screen of lies is put out to prevent people from finding out the reality of the events. But thinking minds can get at the truth.

As for the Kiev Government. A group is ass clowns like them is a rare find, and all inside one building, The Rada. I read much of the story of Hitler and his Nazis. If I compare Kiev to Hitler, the two match up on many levels. The fuckers in Ukraine actually believe they constitute a master race in Eastern Europe. Insane as that sound, their own words and actions condem them.


Government and media work to fill our ears with lies so we never find the truth behind their smoke screen of lies. Remember how they lied us into invading Iraq. Those are all now PROVEN lies, yet no person was arrested for that war crime. Kiev and Washington are both pulling another Iraq. Only this time they seek to attack Russia, a nation that is demonstrably NOT Iraq. So this time the Neocons are playing with the lives of millions. Fucking greedy half wits that they seem to be. We American people need to clean those neocons out of Washington, out of America and especially out of the death grip they hold on world media.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:15 | 5000201 Herd Redirectio...
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Khazaria....  And the 'Chosen People'....  Of course they now claim a different land as their 'Promised Land'...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:53 | 5000796 Escrava Isaura
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Jack Burton,

We all agree about government lies. Say that the North Korea government lies. The North Korean people can't do much because North Korea is a brutal regime to dissidents. However, we are pretty free in America... so why don't we see indignation by the US population?

Indignations like the ones we see here, at the Zero Hedge?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:46 | 5001136 Omen IV
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The Truth is the America people have become the STEPFORD WIVES - both male and female have chips planted to ACCEPT any propaganda and any explaination about anything and roll over

there is no solution the operation is not reversible!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:20 | 5000226 Escrava Isaura
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strannick... You said "Truth... and we have thinking minds to determine what that is."

So, what do you determine of this:

US Senate has 100 senators.

79 US senators signed a petition to give Israel the right to bomb Palestine.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:50 | 5000370 ThankYouSatan
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The US senate is part of a satanic death cult?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:00 | 5000422 Escrava Isaura
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Satan, please, not predictable clichés. Or abstracts, for that matter.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:02 | 4999743 AlaricBalth
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Is it my imagination, or did I hear a womans voice softly whisper "Sorry" at the end of that video.

Just before the 00:37 mark.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:38 | 4999980 svayambhu108
Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:55 | 5000109 Two-bits
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Next time the US shoud just use a cutscene from Call of Duty,  So lifelike...


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:42 | 5000709 Buck Johnson
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And that will end real soon also, the reason the US is so hot to get into a war.



Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:30 | 5001830 omniversling
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This clip "Added Jun 14, 2014 at 3:41 am". JUNE, a month B4 MH17. And who knows when or WHERE it was filmed...any number of military excersises, Ukie or Rusky.

See some great closeups of 'MH17 wreckage" including the Donald Duck book for kids 'The Black Magician', the shopping bag with 'RITUAL' printed on the outside, the deck of cards with numerology that the bronze bitch would be moist for, and the fooball book 'Between the Posts'. Love this shit...Lot's more:

Time to be more precise with the terminology. 'False Flag', this is not. 'Staged Event', 666% certain. Hear a senior economic advisor to the Kremlin call a spade a spade about the broken NATO promise to not encroach on Russia's western flank after the Staged Event of the 'Collapse of the Soviet Union':

US is militarizing Ukraine to invade Russia. Sergei Glazyev

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:56 | 4999717 IANAE
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:34 | 4999960 Berspankme
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Wait until Obama hears about thison CNN

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:33 | 5000638 Not Too Important
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"The earliest swastika known has been found in Mezine, Ukraine. It is carved on late paleolithic figurine of mammoth ivory, being dated as early as about 10,000 BC."

- Joseph Campbell, (2002). The Flight of the Wild Gander. p. 117. Jus' sayin. Maybe Nuland is a paleontologist by trade.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:55 | 5001464 HardAssets
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Do they literally only have that pic of missiles - from who knows where & when ? I watched that state dept spokesperson blonde offer nothing but social media as 'evidence' and could not believe how lame was that performance. Kids on a high school debating team could see through that. They must think the American public is so effectively dumbed down, that they can tell them anything.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:49 | 4999670 kchrisc
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I will believe the DC US when they find the WMD in Iraq. Until then...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:56 | 4999720 Grumbleduke
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Well, ISIS did...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:49 | 4999674 Bastiat
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When will Russia show what they've got on the MH17 ?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:11 | 4999823 Sudden Debt
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They already did.
And besides that. Who will the world believe?
In europe for example you just need to say: the American lied to us...
And guess what: 99% will believe that in a second.

Today I was driving to town to buy a new TV and I saw 2 billboard, one from a beer and one from mediamarket
The beer ad said: Hasn't been hacked by NSA since 18 hundred and something.
The mediamarket add was for a backup device and said: no need to count on the NSA to backup your personal files.

It soundsl funny but people are starting to hate the fact that we're being spied on and for what?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:16 | 4999852 Sudden Debt
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And about that tv, I bougt a LCD 120 cm smart tv, 600 euro's.
But guess what, I have to wait 2 weeks for it.
Now that was weird as normally they always have electronics in stock.
But there was no shop in the city that stocked tv's anymore.
Every store... A 2 week ordertime. And what's really weird, every store, every tv, all have the same price.
That means that the warehouses are empty and stores are running out of money to fund eir stocks.

And as a former retail dude, when that happens, that means stores are in big trouble.
And when I went to the store, a big ass store, where there where about 30 salesmen and no customers at all during the summer... It was eary silent.
So I asked him' slow day? And he said: slow summer.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:28 | 4999917 Bastiat
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Great snaps of things on the street in both posts.  Much appreciated.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:35 | 4999974 GVB
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Well, few weeks ago, Belgian radionews reported that for the first time since - can't remember - people were saving less and that it was a VERY good sign for the economic recovery - sick joke that is. Truely sick. They're drawing on their savings accounts for daily purchases. That's what it is. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:49 | 5000075 Bioscale
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Savings.. how nice. We are still beaten by the deflation war. And people actually believe that bullshit, they say it on TV.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:05 | 5000163 GVB
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Right. Something else. That Ukranian PM that just resigned has a special way of saying goodbye... Remember, he's on record shaking hands with EU officials. What the hell is happening!?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:36 | 5001857 omniversling
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Nice catch...he is playing baseball isn't he? (wasn't he). I think he's being ousted for using the words 'bastard' and 'justice' against his handlers again. Probaly not 'ARD enuf, and is being replaced for someone can 'get the job done'...


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:25 | 5000248 Escrava Isaura
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Sudden Debt,

Are you always this entertaining?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:54 | 5002096 kchrisc
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Europeans are saving up for their coming DC US and Israel sponsored gas bills this winter.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:01 | 5002341 matrix2012
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@ Sudden Debt,

"The beer ad said: Hasn't been hacked by NSA since 18 hundred and something.

The mediamarket add was for a backup device and said: no need to count on the NSA to backup your personal files."


Your ad story is really funny, and it gives inspiration to share the same analogous funs with all the sheeples around :-)

"NSA Hack-free"; "Secured by the NSA archives"; "NSA Certified / Registered / Approved"; and countless other amusing descriptions ... ALOL


Damned Snowden to make the truth widely known, even to the sheeples

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:55 | 5000401 WTFUD
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You show me yours then i'll show you mine, OK?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:59 | 4999675 hedgeless_horseman
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I am sure glad the Ukraine government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.

I am sure glad the Israeli government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their neighbors.

I am sure glad the Columbian government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.

I am sure glad the Egyptian government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.

I am sure glad the Bahrain government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.

I am sure glad the Afghanistan government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.

I am sure glad the Saudi government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.


Jesus said...

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye,

and then you will see clearly

to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:05 | 4999786 knightowl77
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....pretty soon the American Gov't will be using American made weapons to kill their own people...


What goes around...comes around

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:13 | 4999794 hedgeless_horseman
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the American Gov't will be using American made weapons to kill their own people...


Filo recalls looking down from the top of Blanket Hill and seeing people trying to hide from the National Guardsmen.


And there, in the middle of the driveway into Prentice Hall parking lot, was the body of Jeffrey Miller.


“Blood was just pumping out of his body, on the hot asphalt. It just stops you and I said, ‘I’ve got to get out of here, I’ve got to leave.’ And I ran.”

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:27 | 4999889 AlaricBalth
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"Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?"

Neil Young, Ohio

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:30 | 4999927 fuu
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I always thought this one was scarey. That dude is about to shoot you in the face!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:05 | 5002346 matrix2012
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The requested URL /dPHzPbz was not found on this server.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:14 | 5004386 fuu
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Well I just clicked it and looked at the image. Not sure what to tell you.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:33 | 4999952 IndyPat
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Kent State. They were just warming up...

Waco and Ruby Ridge pictures should have more impact...

OK City and 9/11 should too....

Amazing what we will live with.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:56 | 5000112 Not Too Important
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This is worse:

Coming to Japan, the US and Canada soon. Weapons provided by GE.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:43 | 5001880 omniversling
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GE are the world leaders in 'cradle to grave economics'...from MK1 reactors to the scanning and imaging equipment used in cancer treatment and diagnosis. Monsanto the same, and the people who brought you that ubiqitous product, money. CEO of Nestle thinks all water should be privatised, and if you thought the saying 'if they could charge for air, they would' is outlandish, check out this updated version of 'What in the World are they Spraying:


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:40 | 5000014 FeralSerf
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There's probably more Americans killed by Austrian weapons than any other wielded by the American government. Glock pistols are very popular.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:44 | 5000024 hedgeless_horseman
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FNH (Belgium) is the largest manufacturer of small arms and machine guns for the US military.  The Flemish send us guns and we send them US Treasuries.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:47 | 5000055 Sandmann
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oh you mean Fabrique Nationale de they have a Browning licence ?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:48 | 5000070 IndyPat
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And both Glock and FNH weapons that are sold here...are made here.

Advantage goes to HH

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:55 | 5000816 CuttingEdge
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Americans should stick to US made weapons.

May I recommend investing in a $10k Barratt .50 cal - preferably with a 1500m LOS, the ability at that range, and (if it helps) a grassy knoll.

Job done.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:10 | 5001753 FeralSerf
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My Glock says "Made in Austria" on it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:08 | 5001745 FeralSerf
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More Americans are killed by their police than by their military. And isn't the Glock the USAF's standard issue?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:48 | 5000063 Sandmann
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Raylan Givens strikes again.....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:22 | 5000220 goldhedge
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....pretty soon the American Gov't will be using American made weapons to kill their own people...


What goes around...comes around


 Down voted by MPNET Fags.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:06 | 4999796 Kirk2NCC1701
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I am sure glad the Mexican drug/crime cartels are not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people, nor Americans.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:39 | 5000000 Berspankme
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Those are registered to Dickholder

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:50 | 5000376 OldPhart
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Note that you are the 5,000,000 comment on Zero Hedge.  Congrats!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:54 | 5000101 bobnoxy
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Why stop there? Surely you have more to add to that list.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:50 | 4999683 Beard of Zeus
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:51 | 4999684 tarsubil
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I guess the State Department and Noodleman got burned so bad by youtube, they think that is the future of "tradecraft". That and WoW.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:52 | 4999687 JohninMK
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Hasn't Ukraine been told the US/Russian script? Its an accident.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:58 | 4999695 Dr. Engali
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This administration loves using fabricated social media to stir up shit, and bolster their lies. Anybody remember Benghazi?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:34 | 4999958 RevRex
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"it's not Obama's fault, he is just a puppet", but "Busch new"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:36 | 4999977 IndyPat
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Sorry Doc. So long ago. Kinda foggy.

What difference does it make, now, anyway?

World Cup was soooo bitchen' though.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:53 | 4999696 Yancey Ward
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Well, I saw the Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube evidence our brilliantly talented State Department has, and I am convinced it was the Australians.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:53 | 4999697 Omen IV
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they have  -  do some homework- trajectory data

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:27 | 4999904 Yancey Ward
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It is a question of trust.  I don't trust the US State Department any more than I trust the Russians.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:35 | 4999969 RevRex
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DING DING DING....we have a winner!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:54 | 4999704 1stepcloser
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Russians are Racist

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:18 | 4999861 BlindMonkey
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-humans are racist-

Fixed it for ya. You're welcome.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:36 | 4999982 RevRex
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Most here appear to be too dim  to know sarcasm when they see it....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:55 | 4999708 blabam
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Somebody give some of those to the pallies... 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:05 | 4999709 rainingFrogs
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Obviously, the defacto source for US intel, as we now know, is social media.  Ergo, everything you read and view on social media must be true.  Sorry Anatoly, YouTube vid says Russians did itEven on LiveLeaks.  Basically, you're screwed.

Makes you wonder, however, why bother spending billions on the NSA and its intel brothers and sisters when you get the same thing for nothing on social media.  Enquiring minds want to know.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:13 | 4999832 JohninMK
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Bingo, thats where the billions of defense dollars have gone, Twitter/Facebook and YouTube, all secretly controlled by NSA.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:56 | 4999715 Winston Churchill
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Had to go down to a clients house this am.

I've known the guard on duty for years.Ex marine gunnie.

For the first time in my memory he had a star bangled banner draped from a makeshift

pole next to his shack.My country right or wrong,was what he said when I asked him about it.

God help us all.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:58 | 4999733 Bastiat
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You can't expect much else from most grunts, current or veteran.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:19 | 4999863 RaceToTheBottom
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Could you expand a little more where the guard shack was?  Your house? a base you were entering?  a client CEO who lives behind armed gates?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:37 | 4999993 Winston Churchill
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A gated community in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida.

Yes , a lot of the 0.01% behind those gates, multi billionaires(seven of which are amongst

my clients),that are not on the Forbes list, because they pay to not be,or they hide their true

wealth , very ,very well.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:27 | 4999864 NotApplicable
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Ask him how that played at Nuremberg.

Then ask him why he would support the treasonous traitors that destroyed "his country."

Then ask him if he remembers his oath about ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.

Fucking staff NCOs. Made my blood boil back when I was a jarhead of lower rank. Nothing mattered to them except their retirement date, kissing the CO's ass, and not getting caught drunk before noon.

Oh, and sexually harrassing every attractive WM under them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:56 | 4999721 vote_libertaria...
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Lets just send MaCain over there and kick some ass...problem solved.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:57 | 4999723 Joebloinvestor
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They finally get it.

All social networks can be skewed by the politics in charge.

The CIA wet dream made possible by the NSA.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:57 | 4999726 Duffy Duck
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what you can be sure of is that the American Deep State, the private central bankers, the mega banks, zionists, globalists, end of the worlders...

there's a whole cacophony of cunts aiming to lie, cheat, and otherwise manuever the US into a major, major war.

Of that, we can rest assured.

when this is all over, boys, I'll tell you what I used to do for a living.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:07 | 4999806 walküre
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Who wants to wait that long? Tell us now!!!

If by "pleasantly" you mean that you were hired to kill banksters then I would urge you to come back from retirement. There's alot of work to be done.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:15 | 4999844 shovelhead
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Does it involve a horse and a shovel?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:56 | 5000111 Bioscale
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A butcher.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:03 | 5000147 taoJones
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can you at least give us a hint? :)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:11 | 5000470 Aussie V
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A cartoonist for Warner Bros?

da da da da da da da da da da da da da dar da da da da da da dar da da da da da dar dar da

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:22 | 5000540 WTFUD
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Clean Hitlery's cum off of her 3 way dildo?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:57 | 4999727 DOGGONE
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Obama hides this
Will Putin unhide it?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:57 | 4999730 NOTaREALmerican
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Sure, but was does Josh Earnestly have to say?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:58 | 4999737 JustObserving
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The US has been fabricating evidence for decades whether it be the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 9/11,  Colin Powell presenting fake evidence about WMDs or Obama lying about sarin in Syria or about killing Osama bin Laden who died on December 15, 2001.

Nothing that the Nobel Prize Winner says has any credibility:

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.

Sy Hersh on Osama bin Laden raid: “Not one word of it is true”


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:12 | 5000478 arby63
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I unfortunately have to agree. The disturbing part, however, is that we are a better nation than our representatives display on the world stage.

Its embarrassing at best. But what to do? 

Voting seems meaningless to say the least. The tense nature of our modern psyche is visible. Perhaps what everyone thinks can't happen will happen.

Clearly the fake economy can only limp along so much longer.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 14:59 | 4999739 Quinvarius
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We must really be in trouble if the US thinks this horseshit is a solution to something.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:02 | 4999764 Uskatex
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From a comment on Vineyardsaker:

Today (July 23), Anna-News published an interview with a Russian Air Force retired colonel Aleksand Zhilin who is a frequent military commentator on the conflict in Ukraine. The most important information is stated at 2:00-5:00 in the interview. 

According to the colonel, at 16:19:45, a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades in the southern pocket by the Russian border. 

When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, "the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and order the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing's emergency landing." A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed. 

The disclosure of the Russian electronic intelligence (in fact, only one part of it) on July 21 put the US against the wall. The existence of this intelligence and other data also means that the US cannot show the real intelligence, which they also have, including the data from their electronic warfare exercise SEA BREEZE 2014 and the data from their spy satellite, which just happened to be over the area during the downing of the Malasysian Boeing. 

The other relevant information, which the Russian colonel revealed, was that the Malaysian Boeing was insured for $97 million against damages or losses as a result of military actions.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:29 | 4999919 RaceToTheBottom
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The black box would confirm a lot of that, no?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:17 | 5000204 pavel
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I do not believe this. Of course, I can't refute it factually because I have no direct access to the events, but my reflexive instinct is that it is false, and there is no direct technical evidence presented. It sounds false.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:38 | 5000299 Bingo Hammer
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you forgot to write /sarc at the end of that

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:36 | 5000296 Bingo Hammer
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Now that explains a lot! A very very plausable set of events.

it expalins the US panicked and pathetic reliance on Social Media evidence. It explains how so many western leaders and media outlets were ready to trash and blame Russia. it explains why the Ukraine had deployed many of its own BUK systems to the region. it expalins the swift takeover of the flight control centre. It explains the brawls in the Ukrainian parliament and Yats sudden resignation (the shit is really falling apart for them).

Great post Uskatex, thanks. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:03 | 4999765 agent default
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Russia has just released a satellite video from a missile launch.

The area seems to match the satellite pictures here


Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:06 | 4999797 fuu
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360p? Seriously? I figured by now sats wouuld provide nice crisp 1080p viewing.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:34 | 4999964 Jack Burton
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Very true, but you know military would never release a resolution equal to what they really see objects in. I know from experience the main rule is never release or let be know what intelligence we really have or can produce. This video shows enough, they would never release it it the resolution the operators see. Just saying the USA would do the same and Russia has done, release on poor resolution.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:07 | 4999809 Winston Churchill
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Looks like Putin was just giving Uncle Scam some rope before pulling

the trap on him.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:20 | 4999870 potato
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In contrast to the conditions in the the video, it was cloudy that day. Also, it looks like snow on the ground in the video. I'm skeptical.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:36 | 4999981 fuu
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From the google translation of the video description:


"Published on Jul 24, 2014

Foreign weather satellite recorded the moment of the complex "Beech" in the infraredBandera caught this time specifically. 
Fields white, because shooting is done in the thermal range and, accordingly, dark soil is strongly heated. For this reason, the cooling is fast disappearing from the rocket trail. 
no need to argue, than the survey was conducted, it is possible to land remote sensing satellite or high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft - it does not matter now and early to reveal sources. Video is published to those who need to know - control is maintained, videos - there. And here went confirmation: Deputy State Duma Speaker Sergei Neverov curious version put forward: to the collapse of Boeing-777 may be involved in the "right hand" Kolomoyskogo Yuri Birch. Mr. Head sponsored Kolomoiskiy punitive battalion "Dnepr" Yuri Birch - a professional anti-aircraft gunner. Coincidence is quite amusing, given that Kolomoyskogo who owns the airlines in Dnepropetrovsk, had every opportunity to make dispatchers reject Malaysian plane off course. Attention! In order to avoid errors - This record is not from the European satellite Meteosat, officially. ... perezalivat, because the original is permanently removed, it is also reuploaded."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 05:24 | 5002601 omniversling
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Comment in english on YT clip: Weather Sat missile track InfraRed?

"If you read some technical specification of the Meteosat satellites, they transmit 3 pictures every 30 min while the newer MSG transmits every 15 min. They are also not images of the terrain but specifically of the clouds...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:37 | 4999986 Joe A
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It apparently was taken with infrared. But where is it taken? Who took it? Etc.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:29 | 5000602 WTFUD
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@ potato
Yeah and i was bangin' your wife upstairs while you were trolling.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:30 | 4999931 Againstthelie
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Shlomo, where's the similarity?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:32 | 4999942 Bastiat
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Here we go.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:34 | 4999959 BlindMonkey
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How does that match? I looked closely and the areas look nothing alike.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 15:35 | 4999976 Joe A
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That already looks a whole lot better than the American photoshopped picture. The side that makes the best looking video/picture wins.

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