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Russia Accuses US Of Fabricating MH17 Evidence As US Reveals More "Evidence" Of Russian Military Involvement
The farce of facts continues to grow as Ukraine's national security council head says US is wrong (in finding no link to Russia) and claims to have proof MH17 was shot down by Russians (from BBG)
- EXPERT PRELIM CONCLUSION IS MH17 SHOT BY RUSSIANS: PARUBIY
- EXPERT PRELIM VIEW IS RUSSIAN MILITARY, WEAPON DOWNED MH17
- UKRAINIAN NATL SECURITY COUNCIL HEAD PARUBIY POSTS ON TWITTER
- PARUBIY COMMENTS ON PRELIM CONCLUSIONS FROM `INTL EXPERTS'
and then the US State Department unleashes another statement of alleged 'proof' that Russia is sending rockets to separatists and firing on Ukraine's military from within Russia. Of course, while no 'evidence' has been offered, we are sure this is all backed by YouTube clips and Tweets that 'prove' it is fact.
- RUSSIA SENDING MULTIPLE ROCKET LAUNCHERS TO SEPARATISTS: HARF
- ARTILLERY FIRING FROM RUSSIA AT UKRAINE MILITARY FORCES: HARF
Here's the video proof that Russia is firing into Ukraine (allegedly) - click image for link
And then Russia hit back, blasting Washington's claims that pro-Russian rebels fired a missile that hit the plane on July 17 "mostly cited social networks" and did not correspond to reality.
Russia suggested on Thursday that the United States was trying to fabricate evidence that separatists in eastern Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.
Anatoly Antonov, deputy defence minister, said Washington's claims that pro-Russian rebels fired a missile that hit the plane on July 17 "mostly cited social networks" and did not correspond to reality.
Alexander Yakovenko, Russia's ambassador to Britain, also poured scorn on the widespread belief that Moscow is supplying the rebels, saying: "Russia doesn't supply weapons to local de facto (separatist) authorities in eastern Ukraine" and that "no evidence whatsoever has been presented that the Russian government has been doing this".
"So where is this evidence?" he asked on the Rossiya-24 channel. "Why is it not presented to the public? Is it, if I may say so, still being finished off?"
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The US using fabricated social media as a pretext to start a war? Where have we seen this before? Oh yes, last summer, when the Obama administration brought the world to the edge of all out war over the Syrian "chemical attack", an attack which Seymor Hersh subsequently showed was nothing but a false flag provocation.
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Odious
"Truth", (and USD) is the only thing the US still manufactures domestically, and exports it worldwide via its assinine MainStreamMedia.
Well, one can buy Russian truth. Not so sure he's gonna like it more.
Fortunately there is Truth behind the truths and we have thinking minds to determine what that is.
As a staunch liberal, I'm here to tell you not to blame Obama. He's been busy raising money in Hollywood for his presidential library the last two days. He has nothing to do with this.
Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers...
How dare he smear socialist media!
It's begining to dawn on the US that those at the top of this mass murder will be held for crimes against humanity, and either imprisoned for life, or hung.
Nuland, Kerry, Clinton, Dempsey, Hagel, Clapper, et. al. are getting really nervous . . .
And they should be having night terrors. When it is proven that the US collaborated with the neo-Nazi junta in Ukraine to murder 300 innocents for the sake of the bankers and oligarchs, even some of the sheeple will demand that they be tried, and executed.
It might even get Barack "I do a good job at killing people" Obama to think about hanging from the end of a rope after being sentenced by the International Court of Justice.
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ICJ is UN, like the IPCC. "Who do you trust, hubba hubba hubba, money money money, who do you trust?"
http://www.icj-cij.org/
Be patrotic, sell my saigas
Keep em, may never get another
More common sense from "the wrong side"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTxKVdV4Jo
False Flag Fail by the USSA/Kiev Kriminals.
The USSA story reads like the elaborations of a bad liar.
The US proof is undeniable:
http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/5/8/2/3607285.jpg
Those rockets remind me of the Katyusha rockets, from WWII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launcher#mediaviewer/File:R...
"is extremely effective in saturation bombardment, and was particularly feared by German soldiers"
Is there anything manufactured in Russia except vodka?
Is it just me, or does it look winter in that video clip ? notice the lack of leaves of the trees ?
The separatists are firing off so many missles that the massive and extensive exhaust plumes have burned away all the foliage.
Proof???
Dudes the video shows trees without leaves.
/Derp.
I didn't know Putin piloted missile-carrying geese!
LOL, like the banksters/oligarchs aren't in control of the ICJ.
They're more afraid they'll be taken out for not following orders.
I don't understand how you could believe in true justice in a world run by the mafia. These people might be scared, but certainly not of their own apparatus of control.
COME ON AMERICANS PLEASE WAKE UP!!!
THE WORLD NEEDS YOU TO OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT. THERE WAS A COUP ON 9/11 AND THE CIA TOOK FINAL CONTROL OF YOUR GOVERNMENT.
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. MOSSAD CONTROLS THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE EU.
YOU ARE ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLES TO HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS ON TAP!!! USE THEM AND TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK BEFORE THE BOSTON MARATHON, SANDY HOOK, HOUSTON SHOOTING HOAXES TAKE YOUR GUNS. PLEASE HELP US!!! THE REST OF THE WORLD NEEDS YOU TO STOP THE WHITE HOUSE....THEY ARE INSANE...BILLIONS WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T STOP THEM...EUROPE WILL BURN!!! PLEASE HELP AMERICANS...YOU CAN'T ALL BE ZOMBIES CAN YOU???
Sorry but being remote controlled brain-dead Zombies is what the vast majority are best at.
Perhaps they are remotely controlled, very similar to the BHUAP system Boeing uses to stop terrorists from taking control of their planes, except for Government terrorists using BHUAP of course.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot
aardwolf, they can't hear you. Unbeknownst to the average americans TV has turned them into zombies, but you knew this already. With just a few more hours of TV they will gladly give up their guns as easily as they have given up their good paying jobs. TV will turn them on Putin, Russia or whomever TPTB need to scare at the moment. Saudi Arabia got its warning recently as you may recall..... "release the report".
Sadly there is no more americans left, just the byproduct of a corporate media campaign going back years that has produced "ameriCONS". Don't expect much to happen in the way of a revolt or otherwise as most are just debt infested zombies. When the bad times come for them they will accept any excuse the 55" inch tells them.
Yeah, pretty much.
Huh, what? Oh sorry Kardashians were on. What were you saying? A little louder please.
Go away, batin!
@MIS
Agree with everything but it's the International Court of ' Injustice '.
what fucking fantasia do you live in .
the only way warlords stand trial for mass murder is when a military court places them on trial necessitating a war in which said warlords UNEQUIVOCALLY lose.
we have the fucking nukes, russia does, etc...(i'm not giving free lessons right now about nuclear strategic posture and the nuclear club)
bottom line is it is highly unpredictable as to whom would lose in a nuclear war, by lose i don't mean 'country' i mean which warlords would lose to the conquering warlords.
and thus, you are living in some ridiculous retard world.
when and if financial collapse comes to the u.s. ----the u.s. warlords will be required to double down on domestic oppression or choose to leave the sinking ship like the natzi's and germans who fled to south america throughout the early 40's.
i don't think the u.s. is any wwhere near close to losing ww3, but we may be closer to starting it, may..be.
but you're head is up your ass and you are seeing the world as you'd like it to be as opposed to how it is.
where in hell is radical marijuana when you need him.
It's begining to dawn on the US that those at the top of this mass murder will be held for crimes against humanity, and either imprisoned for life, or hung.
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Perhaps. But if so it will just drive them all the harder with more, bigger and crazier gambits.
If the loss of the US dollar and US power, along with a massive collapse, means a date with the gibbit you can bet they will go all in and watch this world burn in fire.
After all, the only forlorn hope they have is to keep up the bullshit and provocation; all else leads to death for them.
Nope, thanks for playing the crazy conspiracy game, but Soooorrryy...
Russian backed "separatists" accidentally shot down a civilian airliner when they were trying to shoot down a military jet like they do almost everyday...
None of this would have even happenned if vlad the angry inch would stop trying to rebuild the Soviet Union by invading and destabilizing his neighbors.
he wont have a presidential library at this rate
We can make room for one in Levenworth.
In some States there are more black people in prison than there are black people in the State. (Sound of crickets chirping from White House.)
Sweet!
Maybe he can get a wing of George Bush's library.
obarme raising funds for his library.
what a horror show.
not since gehghis khan have so many books been burnt.
from libya,iraq,syria,ukrainia 2 timbucktu.
a satanic cia,mossad mi6 history erasing low level operation.
what rotten show
Food and Beverage Alert! lmao...
I've spent a good 20 minutes trying to tie together a Fahrenheit 454 and Obummer joke.
Liberal:
"Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers..."
IMSM I think it was $32,500 ... you would be a tad short. ;-)
I can cover $500 with my EBT card!
As a staunch liberal, I'm here to tell you not to blame Obama. He's been busy raising money in Hollywood for his presidential library the last two days. He has nothing to do with this.
Oh, I wish I had $32,000 to attend one of his fundraisers...
Liberal...Thank you for the humor. You are great!!!
LMAO. You have got them down to a Tee.
"strannick" You make an excellent point, there really is a truth behind what happened, and careful work can find that truth out. The smoke screen of lies is put out to prevent people from finding out the reality of the events. But thinking minds can get at the truth.
As for the Kiev Government. A group is ass clowns like them is a rare find, and all inside one building, The Rada. I read much of the story of Hitler and his Nazis. If I compare Kiev to Hitler, the two match up on many levels. The fuckers in Ukraine actually believe they constitute a master race in Eastern Europe. Insane as that sound, their own words and actions condem them.
Government and media work to fill our ears with lies so we never find the truth behind their smoke screen of lies. Remember how they lied us into invading Iraq. Those are all now PROVEN lies, yet no person was arrested for that war crime. Kiev and Washington are both pulling another Iraq. Only this time they seek to attack Russia, a nation that is demonstrably NOT Iraq. So this time the Neocons are playing with the lives of millions. Fucking greedy half wits that they seem to be. We American people need to clean those neocons out of Washington, out of America and especially out of the death grip they hold on world media.
Khazaria.... And the 'Chosen People'.... Of course they now claim a different land as their 'Promised Land'...
Jack Burton,
We all agree about government lies. Say that the North Korea government lies. The North Korean people can't do much because North Korea is a brutal regime to dissidents. However, we are pretty free in America... so why don't we see indignation by the US population?
Indignations like the ones we see here, at the Zero Hedge?
The Truth is the America people have become the STEPFORD WIVES - both male and female have chips planted to ACCEPT any propaganda and any explaination about anything and roll over
there is no solution the operation is not reversible!
strannick... You said "Truth... and we have thinking minds to determine what that is."
So, what do you determine of this:
US Senate has 100 senators.
79 US senators signed a petition to give Israel the right to bomb Palestine.
The US senate is part of a satanic death cult?
Satan, please, not predictable clichés. Or abstracts, for that matter.
Is it my imagination, or did I hear a womans voice softly whisper "Sorry" at the end of that video.
Just before the 00:37 mark.
I think it was "suka"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SUKA
Next time the US shoud just use a cutscene from Call of Duty, So lifelike...
"SUCKA!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpHrxxF7x8
And that will end real soon also, the reason the US is so hot to get into a war.
This clip "Added Jun 14, 2014 at 3:41 am". JUNE, a month B4 MH17. And who knows when or WHERE it was filmed...any number of military excersises, Ukie or Rusky.
See some great closeups of 'MH17 wreckage" including the Donald Duck book for kids 'The Black Magician', the shopping bag with 'RITUAL' printed on the outside, the deck of cards with numerology that the bronze bitch would be moist for, and the fooball book 'Between the Posts'. Love this shit...Lot's more:
http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17/
Time to be more precise with the terminology. 'False Flag', this is not. 'Staged Event', 666% certain. Hear a senior economic advisor to the Kremlin call a spade a spade about the broken NATO promise to not encroach on Russia's western flank after the Staged Event of the 'Collapse of the Soviet Union':
US is militarizing Ukraine to invade Russia. Sergei Glazyev
Peacehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI
...video was "added June 13" according to the site...
Didn't Russia have some war-game exercise going then?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-14/israeli-german-made-subs-destro...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/russia-reminds-us-its-not-over-...
Wait until Obama hears about thison CNN
- Joseph Campbell, (2002). The Flight of the Wild Gander. p. 117. Jus' sayin. Maybe Nuland is a paleontologist by trade.
Do they literally only have that pic of missiles - from who knows where & when ? I watched that state dept spokesperson blonde offer nothing but social media as 'evidence' and could not believe how lame was that performance. Kids on a high school debating team could see through that. They must think the American public is so effectively dumbed down, that they can tell them anything.
I will believe the DC US when they find the WMD in Iraq. Until then...
Well, ISIS did...
When will Russia show what they've got on the MH17 ?
They already did.
And besides that. Who will the world believe?
In europe for example you just need to say: the American lied to us...
And guess what: 99% will believe that in a second.
Today I was driving to town to buy a new TV and I saw 2 billboard, one from a beer and one from mediamarket
The beer ad said: Hasn't been hacked by NSA since 18 hundred and something.
The mediamarket add was for a backup device and said: no need to count on the NSA to backup your personal files.
It soundsl funny but people are starting to hate the fact that we're being spied on and for what?
And about that tv, I bougt a LCD 120 cm smart tv, 600 euro's.
But guess what, I have to wait 2 weeks for it.
Now that was weird as normally they always have electronics in stock.
But there was no shop in the city that stocked tv's anymore.
Every store... A 2 week ordertime. And what's really weird, every store, every tv, all have the same price.
That means that the warehouses are empty and stores are running out of money to fund eir stocks.
And as a former retail dude, when that happens, that means stores are in big trouble.
And when I went to the store, a big ass store, where there where about 30 salesmen and no customers at all during the summer... It was eary silent.
So I asked him' slow day? And he said: slow summer.
Great snaps of things on the street in both posts. Much appreciated.
Well, few weeks ago, Belgian radionews reported that for the first time since - can't remember - people were saving less and that it was a VERY good sign for the economic recovery - sick joke that is. Truely sick. They're drawing on their savings accounts for daily purchases. That's what it is.
Savings.. how nice. We are still beaten by the deflation war. And people actually believe that bullshit, they say it on TV.
Right. Something else. That Ukranian PM that just resigned has a special way of saying goodbye... Remember, he's on record shaking hands with EU officials. What the hell is happening!?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LNQpnIL1aQw/UxS5bj68BwI/AAAAAAAAAzA/TvdJneILep...
Nice catch...he is playing baseball isn't he? (wasn't he). I think he's being ousted for using the words 'bastard' and 'justice' against his handlers again. Probaly not 'ARD enuf, and is being replaced for someone can 'get the job done'...
Sudden Debt,
Are you always this entertaining?
Europeans are saving up for their coming DC US and Israel sponsored gas bills this winter.
@ Sudden Debt,
"The beer ad said: Hasn't been hacked by NSA since 18 hundred and something.
The mediamarket add was for a backup device and said: no need to count on the NSA to backup your personal files."
Your ad story is really funny, and it gives inspiration to share the same analogous funs with all the sheeples around :-)
"NSA Hack-free"; "Secured by the NSA archives"; "NSA Certified / Registered / Approved"; and countless other amusing descriptions ... ALOL
Damned Snowden to make the truth widely known, even to the sheeples
You show me yours then i'll show you mine, OK?
I am sure glad the Ukraine government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
I am sure glad the Israeli government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their neighbors.
I am sure glad the Columbian government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
I am sure glad the Egyptian government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
I am sure glad the Bahrain government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
I am sure glad the Afghanistan government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
I am sure glad the Saudi government is not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people.
....pretty soon the American Gov't will be using American made weapons to kill their own people...
What goes around...comes around
...again.
"Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?"
Neil Young, Ohio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI1gcH2XCEw
I always thought this one was scarey. That dude is about to shoot you in the face!
http://imgur.com/dPHzPbz
http://imgur.com/dPHzPbz
Not FoundThe requested URL /dPHzPbz was not found on this server.
Well I just clicked it and looked at the image. Not sure what to tell you.
Kent State. They were just warming up...
Waco and Ruby Ridge pictures should have more impact...
OK City and 9/11 should too....
Amazing what we will live with.
This is worse:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=chernobyl+babies&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=c...
Coming to Japan, the US and Canada soon. Weapons provided by GE.
GE are the world leaders in 'cradle to grave economics'...from MK1 reactors to the scanning and imaging equipment used in cancer treatment and diagnosis. Monsanto the same, and the people who brought you that ubiqitous product, money. CEO of Nestle thinks all water should be privatised, and if you thought the saying 'if they could charge for air, they would' is outlandish, check out this updated version of 'What in the World are they Spraying: http://www.whyintheworldaretheyspraying.com/
There's probably more Americans killed by Austrian weapons than any other wielded by the American government. Glock pistols are very popular.
FNH (Belgium) is the largest manufacturer of small arms and machine guns for the US military. The Flemish send us guns and we send them US Treasuries.
oh you mean Fabrique Nationale de Herstal......do they have a Browning licence ?
John Browning's Ma Deuce...
http://www.fnherstal.com/primary-menu/products-capabilities/machine-guns...
And both Glock and FNH weapons that are sold here...are made here.
Advantage goes to HH
Americans should stick to US made weapons.
May I recommend investing in a $10k Barratt .50 cal - preferably with a 1500m LOS, the ability at that range, and (if it helps) a grassy knoll.
Job done.
My Glock says "Made in Austria" on it.
More Americans are killed by their police than by their military. And isn't the Glock the USAF's standard issue?
Raylan Givens strikes again.....
knightowl77
....pretty soon the American Gov't will be using American made weapons to kill their own people...
What goes around...comes around
Down voted by MPNET Fags.
I am sure glad the Mexican drug/crime cartels are not using American supplied weapons to kill their own people, nor Americans.
Those are registered to Dickholder
Note that you are the 5,000,000 comment on Zero Hedge. Congrats!
Why stop there? Surely you have more to add to that list.
Amateurs.
I guess the State Department and Noodleman got burned so bad by youtube, they think that is the future of "tradecraft". That and WoW.
Hasn't Ukraine been told the US/Russian script? Its an accident.
This administration loves using fabricated social media to stir up shit, and bolster their lies. Anybody remember Benghazi?
"it's not Obama's fault, he is just a puppet", but "Busch new"
Sorry Doc. So long ago. Kinda foggy.
What difference does it make, now, anyway?
World Cup was soooo bitchen' though.
Well, I saw the Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube evidence our brilliantly talented State Department has, and I am convinced it was the Australians.
they have - do some homework- trajectory data
It is a question of trust. I don't trust the US State Department any more than I trust the Russians.
DING DING DING....we have a winner!
Russians are Racist
-humans are racist-
Fixed it for ya. You're welcome.
Most here appear to be too dim to know sarcasm when they see it....
Somebody give some of those to the pallies...
Obviously, the defacto source for US intel, as we now know, is social media. Ergo, everything you read and view on social media must be true. Sorry Anatoly, YouTube vid says Russians did it. Even on LiveLeaks. Basically, you're screwed.
Makes you wonder, however, why bother spending billions on the NSA and its intel brothers and sisters when you get the same thing for nothing on social media. Enquiring minds want to know.
Bingo, thats where the billions of defense dollars have gone, Twitter/Facebook and YouTube, all secretly controlled by NSA.
Had to go down to a clients house this am.
I've known the guard on duty for years.Ex marine gunnie.
For the first time in my memory he had a star bangled banner draped from a makeshift
pole next to his shack.My country right or wrong,was what he said when I asked him about it.
God help us all.
You can't expect much else from most grunts, current or veteran.
Could you expand a little more where the guard shack was? Your house? a base you were entering? a client CEO who lives behind armed gates?
A gated community in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida.
Yes , a lot of the 0.01% behind those gates, multi billionaires(seven of which are amongst
my clients),that are not on the Forbes list, because they pay to not be,or they hide their true
wealth , very ,very well.
Ask him how that played at Nuremberg.
Then ask him why he would support the treasonous traitors that destroyed "his country."
Then ask him if he remembers his oath about ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.
Fucking staff NCOs. Made my blood boil back when I was a jarhead of lower rank. Nothing mattered to them except their retirement date, kissing the CO's ass, and not getting caught drunk before noon.
Oh, and sexually harrassing every attractive WM under them.
Lets just send MaCain over there and kick some ass...problem solved.
They finally get it.
All social networks can be skewed by the politics in charge.
The CIA wet dream made possible by the NSA.
what you can be sure of is that the American Deep State, the private central bankers, the mega banks, zionists, globalists, end of the worlders...
there's a whole cacophony of cunts aiming to lie, cheat, and otherwise manuever the US into a major, major war.
Of that, we can rest assured.
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when this is all over, boys, I'll tell you what I used to do for a living.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Who wants to wait that long? Tell us now!!!
If by "pleasantly" you mean that you were hired to kill banksters then I would urge you to come back from retirement. There's alot of work to be done.
Does it involve a horse and a shovel?
A butcher.
can you at least give us a hint? :)
A cartoonist for Warner Bros?
da da da da da da da da da da da da da dar da da da da da da dar da da da da da dar dar da
Clean Hitlery's cum off of her 3 way dildo?
Obama hides this
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1246619
Will Putin unhide it?
Sure, but was does Josh Earnestly have to say?
The US has been fabricating evidence for decades whether it be the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 9/11, Colin Powell presenting fake evidence about WMDs or Obama lying about sarin in Syria or about killing Osama bin Laden who died on December 15, 2001.
Nothing that the Nobel Prize Winner says has any credibility:
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
Sy Hersh on Osama bin Laden raid: “Not one word of it is true”http://www.salon.com/2013/09/27/sy_hersh_on_osama_bin_laden_raid_not_one...
I unfortunately have to agree. The disturbing part, however, is that we are a better nation than our representatives display on the world stage.
Its embarrassing at best. But what to do?
Voting seems meaningless to say the least. The tense nature of our modern psyche is visible. Perhaps what everyone thinks can't happen will happen.
Clearly the fake economy can only limp along so much longer.
We must really be in trouble if the US thinks this horseshit is a solution to something.
From a comment on Vineyardsaker:
Today (July 23), Anna-News published an interview with a Russian Air Force retired colonel Aleksand Zhilin who is a frequent military commentator on the conflict in Ukraine. The most important information is stated at 2:00-5:00 in the interview.
According to the colonel, at 16:19:45, a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades in the southern pocket by the Russian border.
When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, "the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and order the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing's emergency landing." A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.
The disclosure of the Russian electronic intelligence (in fact, only one part of it) on July 21 put the US against the wall. The existence of this intelligence and other data also means that the US cannot show the real intelligence, which they also have, including the data from their electronic warfare exercise SEA BREEZE 2014 and the data from their spy satellite, which just happened to be over the area during the downing of the Malasysian Boeing.
The other relevant information, which the Russian colonel revealed, was that the Malaysian Boeing was insured for $97 million against damages or losses as a result of military actions.
The black box would confirm a lot of that, no?
I do not believe this. Of course, I can't refute it factually because I have no direct access to the events, but my reflexive instinct is that it is false, and there is no direct technical evidence presented. It sounds false.
you forgot to write /sarc at the end of that
Now that explains a lot! A very very plausable set of events.
it expalins the US panicked and pathetic reliance on Social Media evidence. It explains how so many western leaders and media outlets were ready to trash and blame Russia. it explains why the Ukraine had deployed many of its own BUK systems to the region. it expalins the swift takeover of the flight control centre. It explains the brawls in the Ukrainian parliament and Yats sudden resignation (the shit is really falling apart for them).
Great post Uskatex, thanks.
Russia has just released a satellite video from a missile launch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdqIDYnSNq8
The area seems to match the satellite pictures here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701700/Is-BUK-missile-launcher-...
360p? Seriously? I figured by now sats wouuld provide nice crisp 1080p viewing.
Very true, but you know military would never release a resolution equal to what they really see objects in. I know from experience the main rule is never release or let be know what intelligence we really have or can produce. This video shows enough, they would never release it it the resolution the operators see. Just saying the USA would do the same and Russia has done, release on poor resolution.
Looks like Putin was just giving Uncle Scam some rope before pulling
the trap on him.
In contrast to the conditions in the the video, it was cloudy that day. Also, it looks like snow on the ground in the video. I'm skeptical.
From the google translation of the video description:
"Published on Jul 24, 2014
Foreign weather satellite recorded the moment of the complex "Beech" in the infrared. Bandera caught this time specifically.
Fields white, because shooting is done in the thermal range and, accordingly, dark soil is strongly heated. For this reason, the cooling is fast disappearing from the rocket trail.
no need to argue, than the survey was conducted, it is possible to land remote sensing satellite or high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft - it does not matter now and early to reveal sources. Video is published to those who need to know - control is maintained, videos - there. And here went confirmation: Deputy State Duma Speaker Sergei Neverov curious version put forward: to the collapse of Boeing-777 may be involved in the "right hand" Kolomoyskogo Yuri Birch. Mr. Head sponsored Kolomoiskiy punitive battalion "Dnepr" Yuri Birch - a professional anti-aircraft gunner. Coincidence is quite amusing, given that Kolomoyskogo who owns the airlines in Dnepropetrovsk, had every opportunity to make dispatchers reject Malaysian plane off course. Attention! In order to avoid errors - This record is not from the European satellite Meteosat, officially.https://twitter.com/eumetsat/status/4 ... perezalivat, because the original is permanently removed, it is also reuploaded."
Comment in english on YT clip: Weather Sat missile track InfraRed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdqIDYnSNq8
"If you read some technical specification of the Meteosat satellites, they transmit 3 pictures every 30 min while the newer MSG transmits every 15 min. They are also not images of the terrain but specifically of the clouds...
http://www.esa.int/spaceinvideos/Videos/2002/11/Meteosat_25_Years
It apparently was taken with infrared. But where is it taken? Who took it? Etc.
@ potato
Yeah and i was bangin' your wife upstairs while you were trolling.
Shlomo, where's the similarity?
Here we go.
How does that match? I looked closely and the areas look nothing alike.
That already looks a whole lot better than the American photoshopped picture. The side that makes the best looking video/picture wins.