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Ebola Victim On The Run In West Africa Capital

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It's gone from bad (Mapping Africa's "Totally Out Of Control" Ebola Epidemic)  to worse, (Head Doctor Fighting Africa's "Out Of Control" Ebola Epidemic Contracts The Virus), to much worse (Liberian Man Tested For Ebola In World's Fourth Most Populous City), to having run out of comparaitves - although we are leery of using a superlative just yet as we have a feeling Africa's Ebola's epidemic will deteriorate before it gets better. But the latest news is bad enough: as Reuters reported moments ago, Sierra Leone officials appealed for help on Friday to trace the first known resident in the capital with Ebola whose family forcibly removed her from a Freetown hospital after testing positive for the deadly disease.

How big is Sierra Leone's capital Freetown: just around 1 million inhabitants, so yes, things are suddenly very much uncontained.

More:

Radio stations in Freetown broadcast the appeal on Friday to locate a woman who tested positive for the disease that has killed 660 people across Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone since an outbreak was first identified in February.

 

"Saudatu Koroma of 25 Old Railway Line, Brima Lane, Wellington," the announcement said. "She is a positive case and her being out there is a risk to all. We need the public to help us locate her."

 

Koroma, 32, a resident of the densely populated Wellington neighborhood, had been admitted to an isolation ward while blood samples were tested for the virus, Health ministry spokesman Sidi Yahya Tunis. The results came back on Thursday.

 

"The family of the patient stormed the hospital and forcefully removed her and took her away," Tunis said. "We are searching for her."

What is just as bad is that even without this latest shocking development, the death toll from the epidemic has already hit 660 according to the WHO, cited by AFP.

And now we await news out of the world's fourth largest city, Nigeria's capital Lagos, where a man collapsed at the airport and is now being tested whether he too had Ebola, and we are confused how the market is not trading at fresh all time highs following what is now a recreation of the plot of the movie Outbreak. Just consider how much GDP was created or not destroyed there.

 

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Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:16 | 5003268 q99x2
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Hopefully he'll run to the UN and cough all over the F'n place.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:19 | 5003273 Croesus
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I was thinking Capitol Hill...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:21 | 5003293 obelisks
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 I was thinking Tel Aviv

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:26 | 5003315 hedgeless_horseman
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This is a great read...

 

The Hot Zone was hailed by many as a chilling and accurate story of lethal viruses and their encounters with humans.[3][4] Because Preston's writing style is that of a "science fact" thriller, some critics[5] accused Preston of dramatizing and exaggerating the effects of an Ebola virus infection and embellishing facts with his own imagination. Since its publication in 1994, however, The Hot Zone is generally regarded as a nonfiction work and acknowledged for its masterful dramatization.[who?] In his blurb, horror writer Stephen King called the book, "one of the most horrifying things I've ever read."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:27 | 5003330 Save_America1st
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She won't get far...the burn-out is very fast with that shit.  Might infect some others, but they won't get far either.  These things can spread in a large population, but they always burn out because of the extremely fast mortality rate. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:36 | 5003379 darkpool2
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shit is the problem............

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:41 | 5003402 gmrpeabody
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"These things can spread in a large population, but they always burn out because of the extremely fast mortality rate."

Well, that's good news. Oh..., wait.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:48 | 5003430 kliguy38
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They threatened to feed her GMO 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:55 | 5003435 hedgeless_horseman
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EMERGENCY APPEAL

We are desperate to source:

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* Full Medical Suits with non-breathable zips
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* Medical Wellington Boots
* Medical Hoods
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  • Scott Promask 40 / M98
  • Scott 40mm CBRN cannisters
  • Zytron 300 Coverall w/ Hood (tan)
  • North Mil Spec Butyl Gloves
  • Bleach...lots of it

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/uganda-ebola-outbreak-spreads-local-prison...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:11 | 5003513 svayambhu108
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Did someone notice that the ebola victims, Gaza victims, and aircrash accidents keep pretty close.
<Put in here ominous music, >

The four horses started walking and judging by the milleage they keep pretty close.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:04 | 5003695 hedgeless_horseman
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And now we await news out of the world's fourth largest city, Nigeria's capital Lagos, where a man collapsed at the airport and is now being tested whether he too had Ebola...[EDIT--He is dead now]

 

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Some may even be on a 777.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:16 | 5003830 The Longest Call
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You can fly in and out of Lagos, but not Tel Aviv- too dangerous!!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:32 | 5006137 Elvis the Pelvis
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The good thing about ebola is that it kills very quickly.  So it doesn't spread at the rate of AIDS.  Bitchez.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:52 | 5006398 FEDbuster
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Joke all you want, this shit is really bad.  If it starts to pass like the flu, should kill a couple of billion people.  Read or re-read The Hot Zone. 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 01:19 | 5006507 Lore
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Why aren't all outgoing flights grounded?  Hello UN, make yourself useful.

Aren't those screens at airports supposed to pick up elevated body temperature, or they just for zooming in on crotches?

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 01:45 | 5006536 Arius
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UN does not exist to protect you from flu ... dont expect them to come to your rescue because you are a taxpayer ... none asked you when it was created and none will ask your opinion on what they are supposed to do....

 

take responsibility, learn to protect yourself or else ... only the strongest survive

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 10:28 | 5006926 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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We are obviously meant to "really-really-notice" this "Ebola on the run" narrative, since it has be on the front page or as sticker post on ZH for unusually long.

So this is what I have noticed:

1) On the 8th March 2014 an entity is able to make an entire airplane vanish out of thin air (MH370)

2) On the 17th July 2014 an entity shoots down a civilian airplane from the same company over Ukraine (MH17)

3) On the 17th July or on early 18th July rebel leaders report that a significant number of bodies are not fresh and there are a lot of medicals in the cargo

This ignited internet speculation, should this report be proven true, that these not fresh bodies are some of the missing passengers from MH370, and that MH117 was orghestrated to dispose of the bodies. The report also ignited speculation that the bodies were carriers of a weaponized biological agent.

 

Let's just pause there for a sec. Lets take the report about decaying bodies on MH17 at face value and assume it is true.

A) If you were an entity powerful enough to make an entire plane "vanish out of this air", would you really need a second very publicly scrutinized crash to dispose of the bodies. with all the risks of something going wrong in your evil plot, No, you wouldn't. The bodies from MH370 would have been disappeared in a much less public manner.

B) Which makes it logical that the bodies had a specific purpose, because they would not have been onboard otherwise. Enter the weaponized biological agent carrier possibility.

C) Why did international observers not arrive instantaniously at the crash site, when reporters en mas were clearly able to arrive and stay alive from the very first hours after the crash? It must be assumed that personal security for government dispatched international observers can be arranged much better than for a journalist - even if the whole scene was dangerous. Previously, we have had crowned heads, prime ministers and celebrities visiting troops in warzones in Iraq and Afghanistan without much ado.

D) Is the "Ebola on the run" news narrative being ramped up hard right now, because someone knows that a bug has been released in Ukraine, and they need cover for when the first cases starts to become public? So people will automatically connect the seeded dots and think that this is because of free air travel and someone from Africa arriving in Ukraine brought the bug along?

Lets hit play again, and examine a few other tidbits:

4) On the 25th March 2014, ZH runs a piece about a Canadian man, who comes home from West Africa with haemoragic fever illness resembling Ebola, but who tested negative for Ebola itself. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/ebola-virus-outbreak-spreads-ca... and http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26726745

5) On the 4th April 2014, ZH report that a plane from Guinea has briefly been quarantined in Paris due to Ebola scare. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-04/frontrunning-april-4

6) On the 5th of April, ZH provides a background piece on Ebola, taken from cartel mouthpiece Bloomberg, that was also published on Bloomberg on the 4th April 2014. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-05/mapping-worlds-ebola-outbreaks and http://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/ebola/

7) On the 14th April 2014, SgtReport publish that because of "emerging threats" Haemoragic Fever detection kits have been distributed to the national guard of ALL 50 states up to the 8th April 2014. http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/ebola-detection-kits-deployed-to-national-g...

Lets pause again and evaluate:

E) The man in Canada had an Ebola resembling illness, but it was not Ebola. It was also not Warburg, Rift Valley or Lassa In the article, the WHO speculated that it could be a severe case of malaria. I am not a medical professional, but I call BS on that statement, because as far as I know, malaria is a parasite (=large), which should be readily detectable in the victim. Was this man weaponized with an unknown virus? Or had he contracted a natural mutation? It would be lovely with some follow-up news on his diagnosis.

F) We have potential arrival of Ebola-like symptoms in Canada and Paris, and we have enough worry about the situation in the US for distribution of new detection hardware in all 50 states shortly thereafter.

Play again:

8) On 11th December 2013, ZH reported that a new outbreak of Bubonic Plague had surfaced in Madagascar. Natural or incubator/small test case? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-11/black-death-back

9) On the 19th July 2014, immediately after MH-17 crash, ZH reported that the number of Pneumonic Plague cases in Colorado had increased dramatically this year. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/three-more-cases-most-deadly-fo...

10) On the 23rd July 2014, immediately after MH-17 crash, ZH reported that China had quarantined an entire city because of 1 case of Bubonic Plague - which made a western medical professional comment out loud that it was an unusually dramatic step to take based on only one case. He speculated that there was "something about this we do not know". http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/china-seals-yumen-city-after-ou...

Pause again:

G) Did anyone here on ZH or other blogs research the Trans Asia Air crash (23th July 2014) and the Air Algerie crash (24th July 2014) to see, who were on board, what was in the cargo and if there were any similarities in terms of irregularities in flight path, ATC communications, eyewitness accounts, ownership, insurance policies, options trades etc.? If so - please share.  

H) By now it is pretty clear to me either that we are supposed to accept un-free air travel and airport closures "for our own safety" at some point in the nearer future. Maybe someone needs to control a coming spike in the oil-price with reduced jet-fuel consumption. Or maybe all these reports are indeed flak laid out for a case of something nasty coming out of Ukraine. If that turns out to not be the case or ot is the case but it is successfully contained, then - if nothing else - these stories can conveniently be used to support the over-population meme later.

I) But of course there is a bigger picture as well. This picture is very unclear to me, but there are a few characteristics that bugs me profoundly. Earlier on we had outbreaks of the H5N1 avian flu in Asia. This mutated into a H7N9, which is more likely to infect humans, in an Chinese epidemic in 2013. Earlier again we had the SARS epidemic in Asia, that suddenly vanished. We have MERS largely contained in the Middle East. And then we have had the wildly exaggerated Swine Flu scare in Europe, which begs the question, if someone was deliberately crying wolf to de-sensitize the public enough to not pay attention, when the real mass-killer arrives - or if the swine-flu actually started out as a real serious threat, but was contained somehow, and we were never told the truth (I think, I remember that there was a much deadlier variant on the loose in Mexico). 

Here is what bugs me (pun intended): 

a) One scientist came out during the Avian Flu and said that the DNA sequence of one of the avian flu's (I forget which one) was engineered. That this sequence could not have been a result of natural mutation. 

b) If I recall correctly, SARS has been reported to hit only Asian people. The victims of H7N9 has a significant over-representation of older men (and the disease is centered in China, which interesting enough also has an over-population of men, who will eventually become older, due to the one-child policy). 

c) MERS is largely contained in the Middle East. 

d) The swine-flu killed old people and children. 

Of course, older people are generally more vulnerable also to the normal flu, so these observations may be entirely natural, but I just cannot help wondering - with all this global airtravel - how these different types of infectious diseases manages to stay roughly with in the same geografical region or the same demografic group.

In any case, I guess we will know within the next 20-30 days, if MH-17 had small blind passengers on larger blind passengers, or of this is just another product of the collective warped minds of unemployed internet tinfoilers being bored in their mothers' basements.

Sun, 07/27/2014 - 02:44 | 5009050 Lore
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Hello DOTT,

This is an interesting bit of speculation.  You might repost it under the next virus-related ZH article so as to invite more feedback, since the ZH article above is already getting a bit stale, so your notes will not benefit from the same traffic. 

Here's my thought:  Elites are unlikely to release an agent that could pose a significant threat to themselves. The trouble with all viruses when considering them for biowarfare is that they are susceptible to a phenomenon called Antigenic Shift: different viruses come into contact with each other in your bloodstream (or elsewhere) and exchange DNA in dangerously unpredictable and uncontrollable ways, resulting sometimes in benign products and sometimes in new viruses that can be devastating.  Knowledge of this danger is what drives the elites to spend a tremendous amount of money funding projects to dig up old viruses, catalog their DNA and study and experiment with them for the primary purpose of understanding how they behave. The value of this research is primarily anticipatory and pre-emptive in nature: "If there is a danger to 'us,' 'we' want our scientists to be ready with a vaccine." 

Some very bad bugs seem to be making a comeback lately, for various reasons that include overuse of antibiotics and bizarre government policy decisions. Whooping cough is making a terrible comeback in my region, yet there is no coverage. Why?!  Ebola seems to pop up in the media periodically. I don't know why this episode is particularly large, but expect that it will be contained now that there has been some public alert and measures are being taken.  Why did Swine Flu pop up immediately after the President's visit to Mexico?  Dunno.  The very name seems like some perverse inside joke, as in "When pigs fly."

As for the bodies of MH17 being in an advanced state of decay, the credibility of that information is another open question.  It appears that a large number of bodies are being repatriated under controlled conditions. If there is a bioagent, it will become obvious in the locations where those bodies are stored. Most realistically, the bodies were just smelly because they were exposed to hot sun, which speeds decomposition.

Sun, 07/27/2014 - 11:28 | 5009583 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Thank you Lore. I will do that, if we get another fresh thread on the subject, as you are right I was a bit late to the party here ;-) If you don't mind, I would like to bring your answer forward with it, if the opportunity comes up again. Is that ok? About the decaying bodies - no matter how outragious this report sounds, I have found a few pics and audio in various videos, that tells me this information should not be ruled out yet. So I am trying to keep an open mind for now. Of course the forensic experts in Holland will know instantly, when they examine the remains. If they do find inconsistencies, I am just not sure, if they will be reported to the public.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:32 | 5003895 Freddie
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Any flights on Malaysian Airlines?  They are very effecient.  They reuse their 777's so they can get 2 false flags out of one plane.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:32 | 5004176 Miffed Microbio...
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People this is getting serious. I cannot tell you how many active cases of TB I am seeing from people getting off international plane flights. I'm talking 4+ positive smears. Highly infective. This NEVER happened before in the 30 years I've been in the field. Active symptomatic cases of TB would not be allowed to board a plane. Not a peep from public Heath in the recent cases I have seen. I would consider flying quite hazardous now. At least getting blown out of the sky would be a faster death.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:40 | 5004220 Monty Burns
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The region of west Africa has a population of about 300 million. And we have 660 cases. That's almost one in a million.  Hardly an uncontainable outbreak, is it?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:04 | 5004322 balanced
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That's actually over 2 in a million, but point taken. The reason it's a big deal is the ever-increasing likelyhood of an exponential rise in cases. Infectious diseases spread in an exponential fashion. That's why it's so important to contain them while they're small.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:29 | 5005796 Citxmech
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The incubation period for Ebola is 2-21 days.  Once you experience symptoms - you die quickly.  Beforehand you can infect people, and even after you recover (if you recover) you can infect people for up to 7 weeks,

This is bad shit and only "burns out" because it mostly occurs in isolated small villages.  I don't think it has hit a large population center like this until now. 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 20:11 | 5005931 Manthong
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Obama and his Feds will buy her the plane ticket to bypass Mexico and come here.

IMPORT: Feds consider letting Hondurans into USA without making trek...

 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 00:43 | 5006464 Miffed Microbio...
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You may have a point. The last bad TB case I had landing in San Diego went straight to the hospital. They knew what was going on. I called a Public Health nurse I know and asked WTF is going on. She told he this was a political asylum case and they are allowed to bypass screening so their hands are tied. So, I guess if you are labeled a "political refugee" you have carte Blanche to come to this country no matter how infective you are.

The part that has me so baffled is these cases use to always hit national news. When a TB case is discovered, public health would get the manifest of each flight and notify everyone they have had a possible exposure. After so many people being informed of this, it's no surprise the news would carry the story. But the last few cases I have had, this has not happened. Fortunately, they haven't been drug resistant strains.

I guess since the elite travel mostly on private jets they simply don't care what happens on commercial planes.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 00:56 | 5006482 Bad Attitude
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Miffed, the "refugees" have become a political hot potato as US citizens begin to realize that these refugees are disease vectors. Everything with the Obama regime is political, and publicly acknowledging the real TB risk these refugees pose to the US would create a far worse backlash than exists now.

I can hardly wait for Dear Leader to inject himself into the middle of this nascent Ebola epidemic, with the result being its spread to other continents.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 09:21 | 5006848 drdolittle
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Peope that survive(10-50%)  can transmit  it sexually for two months. This is some bad shit.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 00:33 | 5006406 Paveway IV
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Jeeze... Doesn't anyone read anymore?

 

Save_America1st: "...These things can spread in a large population, but they always burn out because of the extremely fast mortality rate..."

The proportion of fatal cases for this outbreak so far is about 60%. Those 40% can still be infectious up to two months AFTER they recover. Not everyone bleeds from their eyeballs or vomits up their intestines - some people just get really sick, recover and are never diagnosed. They are infectious around the time they start feeling sick. The current outbreak is only four months old. Give it another six or eight weeks.

That's if the disease doesn't mutate to a more virulent form. Every new case is another chance for that. It may have happened already for all anyone knows.


Monty Burns: "...The region of west Africa has a population of about 300 million. And we have 660 cases..."

We had 1,093 suspected/probable/confirmed cases as of Wednesday. There have been 660 supsected/probable/confirmed ebola deaths.

And the West African States Economic Community of 15 states doesn't even have 300 million yet, do they? 2013: Liberia 3.8M + Guinea 10.6M + Sierra Leone 5.4M. That's 20M people total, but maybe only 8-10M in the affected areas. The first known case was barely four months ago. It's not an epidemic or a pandemic, but make no mistake: it's a damn serious outbreak.

"...Hardly an uncontainable outbreak, is it?..."

Depends on how you define uncontainable. West Africa has huge pig farms, which also have tons of fruit bats. Did the virus make that jump, or is it actually just coming from bush meat like fruit bats? They're just guessing right now, but it seems like a bush meat source only. Could the virus jump from infected humans or fruit bats to pigs or beef cows? We don't know - no outbreak has ever been this large. If we do find out something unknown vector like that, it will be about two weeks after the fact. 

It also depends on how many new cases are human-to-human. Did 1063 people all eat tainted bush meat, or did three of them? Again, it's all guessing. Tainted bush meat is suspected as the initial vector. If that stopped today (unlikely), how much effect would that have? It might eliminate the current outbreak, or it may have almost no effect. If the primary vector NOW is human-to-human, bushmeat may not matter anymore.

Also depends on how virulent the current strain has become. The doctors and nurses that work with patients are unlikely to be sloppy with their infectious disease control procedures, especially their personal ones. I mean, it's ebola - right? Yet the top doctor treating the outbreak in Sierra Leone (who probably knows a thing or two about ebola) was diagnosed with the disease on Monday. Nurses have come down with it as well. Now, how do you suppose that happened? The guy probably wears a moon suit to work, not a plastic apron and rubber gloves. How long do you think he has had it? Well, they don't know the answer to any of those questions. Does that sound like a very 'contained' outbreak?

Citxmech: "...Once you experience symptoms - you die quickly..."

No you don't - it's not like it is in the movies. Everyone is different. You may die the next day or be sick for four weeks and recover. Like most other diseases, it's always worse for those otherwise sick, the elderly and the immunocomprimised. Since you don't know how any one person is going to be affected, you have to treat everyone like they might be the lucky one-third that will actually survive.

I think you're equating symptoms to being infectious - they are kind of related, but how do you know if someone on a 10-hour flight with you has flu-like symptoms? Can you catch it from aerosolized mucus if he coughs or sneezes? They say probably not, but then the bushmeat-eater demographic are probably not frequent fliers so the sample size is kind of small.

This also assumes people in West Africa are willing to go to a hospital if they become ill. There's little reason to do that for most of them. It's like going to prison. If there is no cure except 'drink plenty of water', then they're not going to be rushing the WHO camps when they get the sniffles. Likewise, if an outbreak happened in the U.S., how many people would line up for the FEMA boxcars for a trip to a 'medical camp' for few weeks of useless, pallative care? 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 03:08 | 5006592 Gold Eyed Cat
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MB it's not the size of the match.  It's the potential it represents while in an warehouse storing barrels of gasoline and crates of old books.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:21 | 5004761 SF beatnik
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One thing that worries me is that when we as a nation become poorer and poorer, we lose the standards of hygiene that have kept us safe.

The invasion from the south not only brings lice and bedbugs, it brings poverty by bringing more people when we don't need we need more people.

 

Of movies, "The World's Toilet Problem" is an eye opener. Half of the world's people have no pot to pee in. Which is to say, they shit anywhere and everywhere. One of the featured cities is in India. A wide river runs through this city. But it is not running water. It is disgusting black goo composed of human excrement. Walk about town and there are piles of fresh shit everywhere. You can't escape the smell anywhere. 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:02 | 5005277 LFMayor
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Oh look, it's the old "Tyranny of Poverty" saw!

bullshit.

Them amish, those poor motherfuckers aint got no money, got no car.
No electricity, hand pump their water.  Lots of fucking farm animals, big families all packed into one house and shit.

Yet... they don't seem to be dropping left and right of pestilential shit, now do they?

Riddle me that one...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:34 | 5005405 IndyPat
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LFMayor
Faggot Lord Protector of the Redneck and Amish.
Somewhere, a sheep is lonely. Go to her....go...to...her.

Nobody likes you here. Go kick a puppy or beat your wife or something.
Just do it somewhere else.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:55 | 5006180 booboo
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"Nobody likes you here"

you spoke too soon

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:44 | 5006387 Quus Ant
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or too late.  But definitely not right on time. 

BTW- nobody likes you booboo.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:40 | 5006248 Quus Ant
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IndyPat that twas dooooown right can-tankerous!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:45 | 5006257 Quus Ant
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Right LFMayor!  Humans must recycle their pee and poo back into the food cycle.  Ya know.  Fertilize.  Like we belong here.  The Romans had their laundy right next to the lavatory so urine could be used to brighten even their dirties whites!

Peein' and shittin' inna your drinkin'a water be whack. man. 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:58 | 5006293 robertocarlos
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But my whites are yellow?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:38 | 5006379 Quus Ant
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Ammonia carlos!  Ammonia!

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 04:02 | 5006653 SF beatnik
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Yeah, you got a point, there, young feller. The Amish have got their together,

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 10:36 | 5005735 Urban Redneck
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After Generalissimo Stompyfeet marched out and declared "This is the United States of America; we’re not some banana republic!" I would have figured Americans who don't travel abroad would have finally accepted their banana republic status and started getting vaccinated for TB.

But is there any research or anecdotal evidence that BCG is less effective at preventing the newer cases of TB?

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=366365

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:43 | 5006255 Crawdaddy
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Miffed - what are the DIY mitigations and treatments? I hope it is more than dig holes in advance.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 02:01 | 5006550 Miffed Microbio...
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Oh dear crawdaddy, I hate to say it but with Ebola it's have a nice Scotch, watch the sunset and kiss your sorry ass good bye. A pre dug hole in advance would be helpful to your loved ones. Or possibly a funeral pyre.

With TB, this is definitely a droplet transmissible disease. So full personal protective gear is in order. Gown, gloves and mask. Do not touch mucus membranes. Wear a full body condom in public. Have you ever seen that movie by Woody Allan Every Thing You Wanted To Know About Sex ( but were afraid to ask) where he plays the sperm? Just like that outfit but add more facial protection. And watch out for fomites! Dear God, any innocuous item could be the instrument of death!

Ok, now I'm starting to get a bit paranoid myself.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 07:21 | 5006740 strangewalk
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Most people who carry the tubercluosis bacteria don't come down with the actual disease unless their immune system becomes weakened. It's estimated that over 70% of the people in China's southern Guangdong Province (adjacent to Hong Kong) are carriers. Even then, TB can be treated with antibiotics unless it's one of the multiple drug resistant strains (MDR TB), which health officials are seeing much more frequently even in developed countries. Tubercluosis has been one of the greatest infectious disease killers of human history, but surprisingly most are not aware that the death count from TB is now today much greater than at any prior time. 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 16:22 | 5007857 Miffed Microbio...
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This is true. The vast majority of the cases I see are latent ( culture positive smear negative). A significant number of these patients will become infectious when they are elderly when their immune system wanes or when they go on immunosuppressive drugs. I have seen numerous cases when latent elderly Asians come to USA legally and then turn smear positive ( infectious). TB itself is not extraordinarily lethal. Certainly not on the level of Ebola. However, it is unwise to increase the rate of any disease in any population. People forget there were numerous diseases common to this country years ago. They ravaged the population, especially the poor. Through diligent public health and sanitation, they were eliminated. Now there is no one left alive that remembers these days and we are taking our relatively disease free state for granted. I don't think people in the USA have a clue what it is like to live in a third world nation but they will experience it first hand if we don't stop this before these diseases take hold.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:26 | 5004146 ebworthen
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And will we close the borders? 

Of course not!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:16 | 5004740 KnightTakesKing
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That's racist!

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 06:35 | 5006710 barre-de-rire
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who fucking care...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:08 | 5006203 DanDaley
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Liberals have always eugenics going back to Margaret Sanger...this open borders policy is just a continuation of their culling of the herd with implausible deniability.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:45 | 5006259 Crawdaddy
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The day you start coughing, it becomes hug a politician day?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:40 | 5004217 RmcAZ
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Or, you can fly "one way" from the U.S. to Lagos...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:04 | 5004991 MichiganMilitiaMan
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Shocked to Not see Detroit on this list!  People would rather stay in Lagos then travel to Detroit?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:54 | 5006280 db51
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One Way?   Lmao...No shit.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:15 | 5003518 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not to worry, Mama Nature will take care of all your ills.

p.s. Thanks HH, for things to add to our Prepper list.  Lest the MF central planners in DC ship all this shite to Africa and leave us high & dry.  What good are G&A, when you're keeling over from this crap!?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:13 | 5003810 Tall Tom
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G&A are good to shoot the parasites that brought this to us afterwards...when we survive it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:46 | 5003966 yrad
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"Ebola Victim On The Run In West Africa Capital"

"This just in. The "victim" has stopped running..She is now on her knees..She is now laying flat on the ground. We can now confirm the crisis is over..."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:57 | 5006408 FEDbuster
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They can just follow her blood trail from her eyes, nose, mouth, pussy or ass.  With ebola blood shoots out all of your holes.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:27 | 5004156 ebworthen
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My favorite disease movie has always been "The Andromeda Strain", 1971, based upon the Michael Crichton book.

At least that one killed you quick.  I won't be kissing strangers but I won't be wearing gear either.

If it kills 90% of humanity I don't want to be around to do the cleanup.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066769/

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:01 | 5004315 Herd Redirectio...
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Oh, you didn't like Outbreak?

Also read Andromeda Strain.  Good stuff.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:29 | 5004465 mc225
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'outbreak' (the movie) was corny.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:12 | 5004723 SF beatnik
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AFTER ARMADEDDON docu drama is informative and well done, I think

 

See on youtube.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:32 | 5005807 Citxmech
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That's a REALLY good show (History Channel production).  It's budget - but f'n scary if you start to apply the scenario to your situation.  Kinda like "One Second After" without the EMP.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:30 | 5004472 pot_and_kettle
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That would be one helluva bonfire.

 

Literally

The name "bonfire" is derived from the fact that bonfires were originally fires in which bones were burned.[1]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonfire

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:39 | 5004526 Herd Redirectio...
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Bones make good fertilizer, don't ask how I know.  (its from reading medieval books)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:32 | 5005146 IndyPat
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So is blood. Makes the grass real green.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:30 | 5006358 Dublinmick
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Vincent Price starring in House of Usher was not just a movie. ..... it was America's first introduction to London after midnight.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:36 | 5006374 ghengis86
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it's the iron in red blood cells (heme group) that does it.  plus the other organics, but mainly the iron.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:50 | 5006274 Crawdaddy
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The Road puts shtf in perspective. Worse case scenario to say the least. Sad and troublesome to watch. Robert Duvall appears to show you an old guy's view.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:58 | 5003455 Headbanger
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This ebola scare is being hyped up by the MSM as another way to desensitize the U.S. population for Obongo declaring martial law so he can stay in office forever.

This is also why the Obozo administration is encouraging illegal immigration now so it sparks outrage and riots so he can declare martial law.

He'll just keep on doing it

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:17 | 5003539 yrad
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I gotta disagree. I think Obama has had quite enough of "the big chair" He is burned out and has already assumed his complete role as "puppet"

He will pass the baton to Clinton2 and then it is going to get very interesting. First Black, Woman, and Hispanic in that order...

Then, the "transformation" will be nearly complete...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:35 | 5003622 lunaticfringe
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There will be no Clinton 2. That used up old hag is through. I think (great book seller that she is) she smells of toast.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:00 | 5003754 Quinvarius
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If she did get elected, she would just quit anyway.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:31 | 5003885 earnulf
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Nope, that's Sarah's modus operandi

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:22 | 5005079 Yes_Questions
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Oh PLEEEEEEEEEASE God make Sarah Palin the next president...

 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 09:06 | 5006836 NoPension
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And Michele Bachman Vice President.
My dream team!
That would be good on so many levels...I'm gittin' wood

For example.. msnbc anchors heads would explode, literally explode, on live tv!
Ah, a boy can dream, can't he?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:00 | 5003755 yrad
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All these child immigrants from anywhere South of the Great State of Texas will come of age just in time for Hilary’s goodbye speech. Then, I’m long “President Perez 2024” bumper-stickers.

 

Forward!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:06 | 5004066 Freddie
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The great state of Texas and Rick Perry are not doing jack shit.  Neither is the rest of America.   Cornyn is all for it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:50 | 5004265 corporatewhore
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You may be right.  Whenever I see old friends like Andrew Sullivan referring to her as "vaccuous" (just do a search to read the column) her coronation may be in doubt.  However, these grifters never die.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:36 | 5003627 roadhazard
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"pass the baton..."

I reckon. And that is because the Repubicans have NOTHING to offer. They should be so proud.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:28 | 5005124 buyingsterling
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The GOP has plenty of good people, but the party always sabotages the good ones. So we'll get another neocon, but at least it will be someone who doesn't actively despise most Americans. Just that knowledge will improve everyone's outlook considerably. We'll still have all the graft etc. to deal wtih, but at least we'll have some chance to do something without being beaten and stomped by the government at every opportunity.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004238 Monty Burns
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Then, the "transformation" will be nearly complete...

Yes, the transformation of the USA into Mexico or Brazil.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:09 | 5004356 PoliticalRefuge...
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He will leave when he is told to leave- there is a lot invested in him.

.. if he wants to retire.. too bad we all have a role to play.

Yep.. it looks like the good ol US of A has been compromised beyond saving as we once knew it.. why it's almost like there is a plan somewhere, maybe the transforming of the nation has something to do with it or something..

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:27 | 5004778 SF beatnik
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Good point.  I suspect Obama would like to resign and go play golf  untormented. But he doesn't want to suffer the embarrassment of a voluntary quit. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:03 | 5006194 August
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White Americans need to accept the fact that they will soon be a minority, analagous to the Hutus... or the Jews. Plan accordingly.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 04:08 | 5006654 SF beatnik
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Plan to do exactly what?

Learn Spanish?

Move northward, away from the golden horde?

Commit suicide? 

 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 09:09 | 5006837 NoPension
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I don't plan on going down alone.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:01 | 5003701 Dubaibanker
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Headbanger,

MSM or no MSM....deadly diseases are on the rise...mostly due to lack of sanitation, weak immune systems, rapidly rising processed food intake, heavy drug dosages, more international travel in the last 2-3 decades, close proximity between animals and humans, pesticides in food, contamination of all kind and the highest human population on planet Earth since it was born (big bang or not).

I place most economic, social, criminal etc problems on extremely high and unsustainable population which is the basis of all troubles. From 1bn in early 20th century, we grew to 3bn in 1960's and now are at 7.2bn....aiming for 10bn by 2045.

MERS is being spread across Middle East and has almost reached India. Has been found in Saudi, UAE, Iran, Egypt, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Lebanon etc.

It has been found in travelers in US, UK, France as well. http://www.cdc.gov/CORONAVIRUS/MERS/

China had it's own instance of the bubonic plague but the quarantine of an entire city has now been lifted: http://www.livescience.com/47006-marmots-china-and-the-plague.html

Africa is having Ebola and over 600 may have died according to WHO todayhttp://www.newvision.co.ug/news/658015-west-africa-ebola-death-toll-reac...

India is creating superbugs of its own unique kind that have no cure and could potentially be worse than Ebola and shall spread even faster. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-07-24/news/51982322_1_...

New Delhi has had the unique infamy of being the first city in the world to be used as a name of a virus. This is a mixture of viruses like E.coli and Klebsiella and can spread through air, moisture, contact or unclean hygiene and is INCURABLE. Basically, if you get it, you are DEAD. Knowing the hygiene and santitation conditions of India, tells you that it is a matter of time before NDM-1 will become a global epidemic. Dozens of cases have been found in UK, several in Canada, some in US and of course many across the Indian subcontinent. http://www.indiastudychannel.com/resources/124111-NDM-Origin-Symtoms-Cur...

West Nile Virus is alive and active across USA: http://healthmap.org/en/#!d=

Just today a West Nile related death was reported in Arizona being first in 2014...http://rt.com/usa/175416-first-west-nile-death-us/

This is a clash between humans versus the animals/viruses.

Obviously, animals/viruses win every time because we all are busy fighting each other (for the sake of our ego, power and money) in addition to the animals/viruses, plus they have shorter life spans anyways and are much greater in numbers than all of us.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:10 | 5003801 Headbanger
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I agree.  It's just that Obozo will not "let any crisis go to waste" for his political agenda of obliterating the U.S. Constitution so he can remain in power as emperor..

And take a look at the outbreak of Bubonic Plaque in the Southwest U.S. now!

So don't be surprised to wake up one day (if one of these plaques doesn't get you first) to see Obama on the tube declaring martial law and suspending the Constitution to declare himself emperor or Supreme Leader of the former U.S.A.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:38 | 5003920 Dubaibanker
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Headbanger,

That is totally going to happen...with all the militarization of the US police forces...spying on every single phone and computer......all music being run by porn whores like Miley, Rihanna, Paris Hilton and others to totally subjugate the public in thinking that this is normal.......it is just a matter of time....but whether Americans have the collective power to execute a civil war, remains to be the seen.

Most smart people are old, the current ones who are 20 or 25 year old, are so immersed in video gaming and so oblivious to everything because their parents mostly had it good and had plenty of money, they have no clue as to what's coming. They have all been dumbed down with music, noise, Twitter, Facebook, spying.....

US Govt has played a very strong hand and has a very good chance to win, indeed.

China and Russia on one side will be seen as the saviours, while US and UK on the other hand will be seen as the one leading the massacres of their own citizens. It is a pure role reversal of the worst imaginable kind except that the Chinese and Russians will be quite happy in the fact that their Govts will be protecting them instead of killing and subjugating them.

The education of Russians and Chinese in US universities is a mission accomplished, and now it is time to turn the tides, if it doesn't happen on its own.

All the capitalism books were BS and did not account for all the variables that impact the world with all its complexities, known and unknown, black swans or not! It was good while it lasted.....but once the money is finished, no matter what, countries will fail....

Of all the countries in the world, this weekend, Ecuador may pass a law to create their own currency. It remains to be seen whether it will be backed by yuan because China has invested a lot of money in oil projects in Ecuador and last week the two Presidents also met. Kudos to Ecuador on hopefully taking the first step towards freedom from the USD this weekend since 2000 when they made USD their currency.

America will soon will be left standing alone....or will they create a global war....diseases.....terrorism....subjugation of their own......or all of them combined is yet to unfold!

Interesting times ahead...

Bitcoin banned in Ecuador until new state-run currency is established
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:29 | 5005385 ebear
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"Of all the countries in the world, this weekend, Ecuador may pass a law to create their own currency."

Not according to this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=avTh4xFjIuOY

Although Correa's gone back on his word a few times, so take it for what it's worth.

My take (as a former investor and spanish speaker who follows developments down there).

The Chinese will pull out, just as everyone before them has (including most recently Kinross) leaving the nation with a huge debt to China and no practical means to pay it back.  I'd say two years at the outside, entonces la mierda se encuentra el ventilador.

So, you have a nation that uses USD as its currency (since the 2000 collapse of its banking system), and (in the face of a worsening economic crisis which you can't print or devalue your way out of) the idea of issuing a new currency is floated and then denied?   Sounds like Argentina to me.   Force conversion of everyone's dollars into the new (worthless) currency to shore up foreign reserves and pay off the Chinese bond holders.  Shut down Bitcoin so the little people can't get their dollars out, then create a domestic digital currency to capture taxes that would otherwise not be paid.

This is an act of desperation, although  Ecuadorans will no doubt see it as asserting their sovereignty.  You want to get your agenda through down there, just put an anti-american or anti-mining spin on it. They really are that stupid.

It's tragic really.  The nation is rich in natural resources, yet refuses to accept the fact that without DFI they are toast.   There are so many powerful interest groups that fail to see the big picture that it can safely be said they are the authors of their own misfortune.

Expect a flood of poor immigrants from Ecuador in the near future, plus educated middle class coming in through the regular channels.


Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:13 | 5003813 Loose Caboose
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This is why I am not fond of unnecessary travel, especially by air.  Those long aluminium tubes with recycled air are just a breeding ground for sharing illness.  Get on a plane well and embark with the makings of an illness, perhaps even catch a connecting flight before you realize you're even contagious and share it again with another long aluminium tube full of unsuspecting travellers.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:17 | 5003837 dontgoforit
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The Harbinger

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:20 | 5004418 Bendromeda Strain
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2015.75

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:27 | 5003879 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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"This is a mixture of viruses like E.coli and Klebsiella"

I am not saying you are wrong about the rest, but just pointing out that E.Coli is a bacteria not a virus. Some variants of E.Coli can be quite potent all by themselves.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:52 | 5004275 Dubaibanker
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I appreciate. I dont know much about the difference between a virus and a bacteria unless the doctor tells me I have one of them. I wish I would have paid more attention in my basic science classes.

But now, it is too late....:)

Thanks for the correction, though.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:30 | 5003887 Tall Tom
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Dubaibanker....

 

Just because I am a proponent of a 14 Billion Year old Universe, and a 4 Billion Year old Earth does not mean that I reject God. It does not mean that I necessarily reject evolution.

 

(I do because of the way it is currently indoctrinated as it is flawed. Humans have 23 Pairs of Chromosomes whereas Simians have 24 Chromosomal Pairs. With the advancement and the complexity of any species the number of chromosomal pairs increase...ONLY EXCEPTING that of the most evolved, HUMANS??? That just does not make any sense.)

 

God, the Creator, is a Mathematical Certainty. It is a Mathematical impossibility that the Universe was a Random Accident. I just must agree with the odds, which Physicist Roger Penrose has quantified, for a Chance Manifestation. I understand how he determined and quantified those odds. They are so close to ZERO that, for all practical purposes means that they are ZERO. And a probability of ZERO means that it is an impossibility.

 

It would be "miraculous" if it happened by chance. But that word, standing alone, even infers a God.

 

If it was not a Random Accident then it was a designed manifestation. Thus one must, from the empirical evidence, infer a Designer.

 

No disrespect intended but I want to clear up the misunderstanding that theists are somehow deficient in the understanding of Physical Sciences, Natural Sciences and Mathematics.

 

I resent the prejudice towards that stereotype.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:54 | 5004013 Canoe Driver
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Congratulations on being a moron.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:13 | 5004095 Tall Tom
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If that is all that you can muster, to use an ad hominem, you just declare concession in any debate.

 

You ought to study the Logical Fallacies and the rules of debate. You may yet become educated.

 

Being a student of the Trivium (Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric) I am very comfortable with them.

 

Ah...The benefits of a Private School Education has served me well.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:57 | 5004022 dontgoforit
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And whether or not you want to believe me, God as infinite creator has created an infinite number of infinite universes.  And, he's got control of everyone of them.  When we 'think' infinity, we have a generalized concept of a size, a number, a space; but, it is something much greater.  God as infinite mind, presence and Holy Will is more than we can comprehend - as is an infnite number of infinite universes. Key word being Holy.  God is Holy out of necessity.  And he loves his creation.  America can be saved if we turn back to God.  The world can be saved if America is saved.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:09 | 5004065 Tall Tom
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Do you have empirical evidence for that assertion of Infinite Universes?

 

As a physicist I am an empiricist.

 

Other than having empirical evidence that is mere speculation and BLIND FAITH.

 

And I know that you do not have it.

 

You are no better than a Religionist. But that is okay.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:56 | 5004292 dontgoforit
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If I had proof it would be simple.  Things are not generally simple.  I'm not even as good as a Religionist, as you say.  My feeling is that God wants us to know who he is so we can give him the grateful thanks he so richly deserves from humble hearts that he created.  If what I say is true, how humble would we be?  

What if you were 'God' and you made man in your image - as a self-aware being -  and all your creation turned away from you like insolent children, rejecting your love and failing to recognize you as their creator, even though you had revealed yourself to them over and over thoughout history?  How would you feel?  Would your heart be heavy; would it be broken?  Think now that if you do not believe and you're wrong, you are breaking the heart of the very being who brought you into existence.  How sad is that?  So, as a being with a conscience and a heart, is it not better to give thanks to God, hoping that you are right in your belief rather than be wrong and break the heart of the innocent one who gave you life?

"Blesed are they who believe and have not seen," as Jesus told us.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:23 | 5004432 Bendromeda Strain
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Actually, he said that to (Tall) Thomas...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:49 | 5004903 Tall Tom
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Blind Faith is probably better. I am sorry that I offended you.

 

You are right. "Blessed are they who believe and have not seen."

 

He wanted me to see it I guess.

 

I do not believe it. I know it from the evidence.

 

That is the difference. 

 

It frightens me. There is no joy in that.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:47 | 5005208 IndyPat
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Bet your real fun at parties.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:05 | 5006076 Tall Tom
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I don't know why I am not ever invited...

 

LOL

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:04 | 5006306 Crawdaddy
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Proof is what Thomas asked for, hence the term "doubting Thomas".

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 09:21 | 5006847 shouldvekilledthem
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Don't bother, an amazing number of religious idiots frequent ZH.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:24 | 5004142 Kirk2NCC1701
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TT, let's not digress into a theological blogsite.  But, if you are a rational and reasonable (able and  willing to reason) person, then you need to consider these issues:

1.  Where does this monotheistic entity that you call "God" come from?  How long has it been around and who made it?  Who made them?  Etc, etc.  IOW, if you hide behind "No one made God, and he's been around forever" (w/o any data or corroborating info, other than old stories), then you are merely shifting the argument.  We could just as easy say:  The Universe has been around forever. 

Adam could not have "walked with God", as the energy density of the alleged "Creator of the Universe" would exceed that of the sun by many orders of magnitude.  Basic physics, dude.  And not even "God" gets to dance around the laws of physics.

2. There are plenty of DNA precursors floating about in the world, even on other planets and interstellar space.  All that's missing, is the "link" between biologically inactive and active organic matter.  If you cite some religious "mathematician" as to probability, you've tipped your hand.

3. Mankind has had more deities than you can shake a stick at.  In fact, the Judeo desert-god Elohim -- who was promoted by Moses to "God" -- has his own (dubious) history.  The concept and (real or imaginary) entity of Elohim had a sect-like following among some Jewish tribes.  He was a warrior deity, and was eventually left standing as The Only God, per his followers.  The following 15 minute youtube clip is a good place to start -- The History of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZY2eeozdo8.  IOW, "stories" from ancient desert tribes.  And you can imagine what my opinion is of an "ancient desert tribe":  less than that of a "modern desert tribe".  Semi-literate at best, territorial and unafraid of bloodshed, of poor or questionable hygiene (by today's standards), and knowing less of the Laws of Nature than a 5th grader.  Awkward facts, I know.

If you want to resort to some Sky Man, then... welcome aboard my spaceship, as our technology, knowledge and weapons are truly nothing short of the "powers of god".  Especially If I tell you -- you ignorant and smelly shepherd from 600 BC -- that I am the "Only God".  Come on up!  How many to beam up?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:54 | 5004610 Dublinmick
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There really is no great controversy about religion in some advanced societies of the east. Science and religion happily blend together. It is all about the life force or nature. This life force or energy moves the atom and produces light when the atom is split. You see we live in an electric universe that is alive with energy or what the easterners call prana. It is only the west which quibbles like children over sky Gods and other ridiculous assumptions.

http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.cz/2014/07/nasadiya-sukta-rig-veda-5000-bc...

The America indian was also way beyond much of this as they understood the driving force of the electrical universe they called it great white spirit, however it is none other than prana or life force which they used various stone amulets, silver, bones, leather and feathers to attract it to their chakras or energy centers.

The east even actually understands the theories that Jesus espoused. It also was about nature as he implored all to choose life and forget the dead scriptures of dead men.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_gospel_of_peace_book1.htm

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:57 | 5005250 IndyPat
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Behold.
The wise American Indian.
Inventor of the lightbulb and the model T.

Fuck. They couldn't even make a decent knife or arrow head by paleface standards.

All this peace and harmony with the great spirit. Really worked out great, huh? Dealing blackjack to blue hairs and rot gut firewater.

I liked them better when they fought. I liked us all better when we fought, actually.
That's why Palestinians make us look like pansies. Bunch of ZioJoos roll into town with tanks and guns? Palestinians don't give a fuck. They pick up rocks, sticks, tires and Molotov's and take it to the bastards.
We got a shitload of firepower laying round here.
We do jackshit.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:09 | 5005306 LFMayor
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Dude, you want to have a fucking laugh about the whole noble savage meme?  There's a documentary on netflix about Ayauasca Vines and how plants can tell us all the secrets of the universe.  Some fucking canadian hippies blow fiat bucks to fly down to Peru and drink some shit-water tea and get high.  To find themselves. 

As for the firepower and jackshit... I hear you, but be patient.  Things change.  And I'll give the palis credit, the little rats will fight, for sure.  But like the Miami and the Comanche, they're incompatible with the world (past or present) and need eradicated.  Sucks, but true.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:59 | 5006394 Quus Ant
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"incompatible with the world"

What a shitty world you've created MajoR!  Perhaps it is YOU who are incompatible!  And before the end you shall be cast out where there shall be weeping and the fucking of sheep!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:33 | 5004792 Tall Tom
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KirkNGC1701...

 

God is Light and in Him there is no darkness.

 

So I will address your questions one by one.

 

Question 1 Part A...Where does this monotheistic entity that you call "God" come from?  How long has it been around and who made it?  Who made them?  Etc, etc. 

 

Do I need to refresh your memory with Special Relativity Physics?

 

First...Time is meaningless at Light Speed. You know that and you know that I know it. That Dimension does not exist at Light Speed. The Lorentz Transform demostrates that.

 

It makes as much sense to write that as a question, "How long...?" as it does to write the question, "What is South, East, or West, from the South Pole?" There is only one direction and that is North. North just happens to encompass 360o of the horizon.

 

Light Speed is a special case where you can throw out all of what we experience as "common sense". Physics as we understand it implodes into the Singularity at Light Speed. There is no Space. There is no Time.

 

So that is a completely moot question. I hope that you understand that it was not a fair question or assertion. I believe you to be reasonable and educated so I believe that you do understand it.

 

As I remember you gave me a wonderful link about Fourier Transforms, as you work with Lasers, as you were pretty upset that I had the audacity to mix my science with my "religion". But really I am not religious at all. I am more spiritual than that.

 

Question 1 Part B...

 

IOW, if you hide behind "No one made God, and he's been around forever" (w/o any data or corroborating info, other than old stories), then you are merely shifting the argument.  We could just as easy say:  The Universe has been around forever. 

 

Well we can make that proposition. 

 

But the problem which arises from proposing an "Eternal Universe" is the Singularity. There was a beginning. 

 

Now I will be Intellectually HONEST and NOT use the Hubble Galactic Recessional Observations with the subsequent Red Shifting of Spectral Lines increasing with "distance" as I believe our shared and current understanding of that to be flawed.

 

However there is another source of Empirical Evidence, other than that of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which supports the assertion of the Big Bang Theory.

 

This event happened as it is holographically stored, as the Black Body Curve, in every manifestation of Energy, at the Quantum Level.

 

Think about that Black Body Curve and rotate it about the Wavelength axis. That will give you a model of our Physical Universe from the time of the Singularity Event to the present and into the future. 

 

Now think of that Wavelength axis as a Time Axis. That is what is to be expected with an Explosion with gravity acting on that which exploded. That is the Geometry of the Big Bang, the Singularity, of our Physical and Empirical Universe, and the predictor of the outcome of the Universe.

 

Now I can write those Equations for you if you want.

 

Furthermore that curve represents the Amount of Enthalpy to Entropy, the amount of Enthalpy remaining to being that which is the area underneath the curve. As the Universe ages the level of Enthalpy decreases and Entropy increase. If we can take the Derivative we can determine the rate at which enthalpy is decreasing. 

 

That Black Body Radiation Curve, that hologram, is the key to understanding our Macrouniverse from the Quantum level.

 

The elegance is that it is hidden right there for all to see, right there in that Black Body Function, as a hologram. The Universe is holographic after all.

 

No we cannot write that the Universe has been around forever as the Empirical Evidence will not support that hypothesis.

 

Question 1 Part C...

 

Adam could not have "walked with God", as the energy density of the alleged "Creator of the Universe" would exceed that of the sun by many orders of magnitude.  Basic physics, dude.  And not even "God" gets to dance around the laws of physics.

 

Now I agree with your assertion that God does not get to dance around the "Laws of Physics". He is the author and he is bound by His own rules.

 

Now the creation epic, borrowed from the Babylonian Elumna Eliish, is not to be taken as LITERAL FACT. That is rather unfair. Do you really believe that I take that as a literal fact? The Creation Epic and the Flood were taken from the Babylonians and incorporated into the Hebrew Religion.

 

The Book of Genesis, as well as most of the early books of the Old Testament, were quilled during the Babylonian Captivity. As the Ebers (Hebrews...Abraham was from the land of Ur thus he was "ebur".) were enslaved by Babylon they scribed their Oral Traditions for the first time during that enslavement.

 

While Genesis does record a historical account of the Ebers in modern Day Palestine and through their introduction into Egypt much of the writing is allegorical. Furthermore it was an interweaving of two different Texts, one from the Israelites and one from Judah as there was a schism.

 

These facts do not disprove an existence of the Creator. It just demonstrates that some of the accounts written are not to be taken literally. 

 

Question 2...

 

There are plenty of DNA precursors floating about in the world, even on other planets and interstellar space.  All that's missing, is the "link" between biologically inactive and active organic matter.  If you cite some religious "mathematician" as to probability, you've tipped your hand.

 

I am certain that we have observed Amino Acids and Organic Molecules in Interstellar Space. In fact I beieve that we discovered Methane on Mars. The Empirical Evidence is undeniable. And I am most definitely a proponent of the Cosmological Principle. You are correct about the missing link on how to create a self replicating molecule.

 

But that has NOTHING to do with the PHYSICIST I referenced. Roger Penrose, probably the late 20th Century's greatest physicist, is not particularly religious. But he did a study of the PHYSICAL CONSTANTS and the odds that they had to line up precisely for this Universe to manifest.

 

It was amazing work.

In the book, "The Emporer's New Mind", Roger Penrose, 1989, Penrose writes...

 

This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.

 

This man is only one of the collaborators with Stephen Hawking's epic work on Singularities...Black Holes. You might have read a little Hawking.

 

"The Road to Reality...A Complete Guide To the Laws of the Universe", 2004, Roger Penrose will demand a lot from you. (Actually it demands a lot of any Physicist or Engineer.) The book is 1050 Pages long and it is comprehensive. It is loaded with the Mathematics which both you and I love.

 

It reads like a Graduate Text except it is more concise. (If you can believe that "concise" can be included in a volume of 1050 pages. But he is concise.) It is an amazing read and I suggest that you attempt it without hitting a wall.

 

In that book he addresses "Miracles" in Chapter 23. No. He is most definitely not religious.

 

But he is an intellectually honest scientist. I have great respect for him because of that.

 

Here is a YouTube video of the Big Bang Theory which is applicable...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbwmooRTBI

 

Well they are much greater than the Universe happening as a chance event.

 

As to QUESTION 3...

 

I am going to skip that for now as I have penned a book. I am aware of more than you may believe me to be. I also studied theology. I have a very active mind and an insatiable appetite for knowledge.

 

But if you ever get a chance to fly on that Starship I will also be right there awaiting that chance to share the adventure. (I grew up with Star Trek, Captain.)

 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:48 | 5004906 Kirk2NCC1701
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TT, thanks for the eloquent response.  Sounds like you and I could have some really good discussion - especially over a beer.  Cheers.  :-)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:52 | 5004927 Tall Tom
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I would not mind that at all.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:40 | 5005836 Wild tree
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Eloquent TT, eloquent. I too believe that "God does not play dice with the universe" according to Einstein. I believe in what I can't see, but I liken it to a bell, a deep, deep bell. Truth tells, and the bell tells. I feel the ring although I don't do math well; I feel with discernment the truth that God, and you speak. The darkness covers the sins of Satin, God walks in righteousness and light. He exists in a different dimension, so that the mass he would exhibit in this dimension would cause infinite problems, much like a white hole. Moses asked to see his face, but was denied for it meant death of the physical. He did let Moses see his rear as he passed in front. I think that if he was allowed to see his face, just like a magnet, he could not help but travel outside his body to be with the father. Peace be unto you Tall Tom.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:10 | 5006085 Tall Tom
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Thank you.

 

IMO your discovery is superior to that of mine.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:09 | 5004360 Dubaibanker
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Tall tom,

I am totally unable to understand what did I say that brought God in your mind?

I am not a massive believer but I need to see Him before I can believe!

IMO, all reliigions were created for mass control just like police or passports or anything else is.

God may be a mathemetical certainty, according to you, but if HE is, then where does he live? If He is spiritual, then how do you feel Him? Where is the empirical evidence that he created Earth as the only planet with life. Any evidence of life outside of Earth has not yet been found for many millenium, as far as I know.

There is no empirical evidence, as you demand, on everything else, but there is NONE. 

However, I did not present any prejudice against anyone, if I did, please elaborate. Thanks.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:43 | 5004859 Tall Tom
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You wrote..."MSM or no MSM....deadly diseases are on the rise...mostly due to lack of sanitation, weak immune systems, rapidly rising processed food intake, heavy drug dosages, more international travel in the last 2-3 decades, close proximity between animals and humans, pesticides in food, contamination of all kind and the highest human population on planet Earth since it was born (big bang or not).

 

Big Bang or not.

 

I am sorry but it is just that I have read many who disparage the idea that there is a Creator.

 

It was not you.

 

I just "went off".

 

Anyway if you read what I wrote to KirkNGC1701, maybe you can see that there is Empirical Evidence. The Physical Universe is my Empirical Evidence.

 

Sorry about the tangent.

 

But man am I going to be praying a lot about this Ebola nightmare.

 

Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you.

 

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 04:40 | 5006543 Dubaibanker
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TT,

Thanks for the blessings! Much needed these days....

Big bang or not meant to address people on both the sides. Not to disparage anyone. Much respect, I have for anyone, of any belief. Not my job to change people's opinions or make everyone 'happy'. Each can stay with their own belief which I completely respect and appreciate.

Life has taught that we are all equal, but black, white, brown, lower class or upper class or rich or poor are all manifestations of an ego and the urge to control others in order to be at the top. Today every single person coming out of a grad school or doing any PG degree wants to be a CEO and nothing else. This is so sad that peace, love and harmony with each other have been replaced with a degree and the race to get to the top. An on duty policeman questions his own morals when trying to subjugate another ex policeman fighting for his rights. Same for the army personnel whether on one side or another when they meet each other. Most conflicts in this world like Israel-Palestine or India-Pak or South vs N Korea are created by man.

I ask: If everyone would become a CEO, then who would work? We have really lost the plot when it comes to social norms of stability, peace and love and just run after materialism, power and money. This is what will eventually cause human downfall. Social controls of the past are being replaced by military controls. Just over the next decade or so, once military control is lost, then what would happen?

One just has to visit a hospital or a jail to see how humans interact when they are stripped of their ego, power, money and everything else becomes equal. At that point the hardest men talk as equals to each other. The ones on their death beds seem like mortals and seek God at that time when everything has been lost. Why can't we all be like that where everything and everyone beomes equal and peaceful instead of this hurry to reach the top and once that power is taken away from any mortal, then they barely can hold themselves and usually commit suicide or do something worse - take a life of another human being.

While you are praying for Ebola, please also add those who have chance to get MERS or NDM-1 or West Nile or HIV........as well.

Bless you for being a good man! May Peace be with you.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:34 | 5004820 KnightTakesKing
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Very well said, Tall Tom. Nicely put.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:34 | 5005522 ebear
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"It is a Mathematical impossibility that the Universe was a Random Accident."

Logically inconsistent.  For a random event to occur, there must exist a medium in which it CAN occur.  Therefore, that medium has to precede the creation.  However, since the universe, by definition, includes everything, then no such medium could exist prior to its creation.

From a limited human perspective, you either posit a creator that exists prior to creation (God) or a universe that loops back on itself in some fashion which, mathematically, creates an infinite regress.

In either case, you're never going to get a definitive answer since (again, by definition) you can't step outside the universe and view it from a purely objective position of cause and effect.

The problem is familiar to physicists: When you look at matter a certain way, you see particles.  When you look at it a different way, you see waves.  You can't separate the observer from the phenomena, so all you can say is when we look at it this way it's A, and when we look at it that way, it's B.

Therefore, by all mean believe in God if that's what you need to be a good person, but forget about looking for proof.   God never asked you to do that anyway.  He is content that you have faith in His existence and conduct yourself accordingly.

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Words to live by, whether or not you believe in a creator:



1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge,and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part,10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.




Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:28 | 5006131 Tall Tom
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That is interesting that you quote my most favored passage. That was what initially convinced me.

 

But what you do not undersatnd is the Principle of Coinherence. (not incoherence...Humor.)

 

There was no medium, whatsoever, at the Singularity event. Time and Space manifest because Energy is slowed down. Space creates the Matter as Matter creates the Space coincidentally.

 

The Wave-Particle Nature of Light is a coinherent. Likewise Space-Time/Energy is also a coinherent. The properties are inherent in the identical phenomenoa and it is dependent upon the experimenter to alter his reference frame to differentiate the Properties.

 

We do not have it as a problem because we understand the Quantum Duality versus the Macrouniverse Cause-Effect linearity which is illusion..We abandon linear thinking and replace that with cyclical thinking. It is more of an Eastern, Asian approach. The Tao of Physics is a popular book that covers that for the layperson.

 

I would love to discuss this at length, however, it has been a long day and I am fatigued. I think I shall rest a bit now.

 

Perhaps if this thread is still up when I awaken I will revisit it and add to my postulations.

 

I appreciate your interest. Thanks for that passage.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:02 | 5004046 zerocash
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"New Delhi has had the unique infamy of being the first city in the world to be used as a name of a virus."

Urrrm no, the Marburg virus was named after the German city of Marburg. where it was first spotted in 1967.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:49 | 5004262 Dubaibanker
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Thanks. I stand corrected. I presumed 47 years to be an eternity. My bad. 

Even a bacterium being named after a city, due to it being 'created' there, after 47 years is quite an infamous achievement. Wouldn't you say? That too far deadlier than the MARV.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:13 | 5004097 Freddie
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The USA needs more disease ridden illegals swarming into America.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:47 | 5004255 Monty Burns
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The Indian passion for hygene is replicated in their food outlets in the West as well. Treat with caution,

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:51 | 5005671 ebear
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Can't speak for the rest, but the Sikhs I know are meticulous where cleanliness and hygene are concerned.  Never sick once from anything they've cooked for me, and that's a lot of meals over many years.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:16 | 5006328 Crawdaddy
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All the Sikhs I know (granted a statistically insignificant number, < 50) are people I would entrust with my family's safety. Honor, family, creed. And a big ass knife if the need arises. They are 100% against Muzzies, Zionists and NWO.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:34 | 5004499 Dublinmick
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Interesting, a post in itself.

 

The Kali Yuga always ends this way.

 

Sometime around 23 hundred years ago we see in the Mahabharata Ydhishthira has a vision of the age to come: I see the coming of another age, where barbaric kings rule over a vicious, broken world, where puny, fearful men live tiny lives, white hair at sixteen, copulating with animals, their women perfect whores, making love with greedy mouths. The cows dry, trees stunted, no more flowers, no more purity, ambition, corruption, the age of Kali, the black time."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:01 | 5006298 db51
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I think I saw my dog and cat with a pretty smug look on their face recently.   Might have been my imagination, but I swear I heard one of them sy "Winning!"    We're srewed.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:34 | 5006368 TheMerryPrankster
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this lifes so tough a man's lucky to make it through it alive.

we are all mortal, something will kill us, that is a fact, to spend to much time contemplating the inevitable is mostly a waste of time. Which none of us have enough of...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:09 | 5005009 RafterManFMJ
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She isn't a threat unless she actually bites you. First Rule:

Cardio.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 00:00 | 5006413 Crawdaddy
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In nature, if it bites, it is likely female. So my wife tells me.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:45 | 5005645 StychoKiller
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Well, it stands to reason that residents of "Freetown" DO NOT like to be kept in captivity! :>D

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:51 | 5003441 Urban Redneck
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2000 years ago one could travel from Rome to Hadrain's Wall (or any of the other farthest reaches of the Empire) in ONE MONTH. That's just slightly longer than the maximum time one one can be infected with ebola and not show any symptoms.

I think my personal record is 15 major cities on four continents in that same amount of time.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:56 | 5003459 junction
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Why would anyone travel to Hadrian's Wall, to meet the barbarians?  We have barbarians here already, they are also called members of Congress and Bankruptcy Court judges.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:13 | 5003524 shovelhead
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Do they paint their asses blue?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:14 | 5003529 svayambhu108
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On the inside

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:40 | 5003932 thamnosma
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It's a real toss-up who deserves the guillotine more -- our politician class or the judicious class.  I"m leaning toward the latter these days.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:14 | 5004101 Tall Tom
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Why choose one when you can choose both?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:02 | 5005276 IndyPat
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They liked the smell of sheep blowing southward?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:59 | 5003740 Jadr
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If this form of the virus is the same as previous forms, then you can not spread ebola while it is in the incubation stage (absent a blood transfusion or something).  So there fortunately isn't a worry of some jet setter is traveling around getting everyone sick while appearing to be healthy.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:59 | 5003748 overmedicatedun...
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bet your life on it Jadr, or just big talk, see you in Lagos...not

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:09 | 5004358 Herd Redirectio...
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Exactly.  The virus has to build up its numbers before you are contagious.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:45 | 5004566 tenpanhandle
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I would assume that since the guy collapsed  he was pretty well loaded up with the virus.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 00:10 | 5006432 Crawdaddy
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All the zombie movies teach us to treat infected humans as others. Inside the fence, good, outside the fence die. Just another way to brainswash us to repsond to what they have planned. Little Consuela transports an illness, it spreads, those that are in the "zone" are dead anyway so hey lets nuked them to save the healthy.

Manufactured bullshit. FYI mr bs manufacturers, your identities are not exactly a big secret.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 02:21 | 5006561 UselessEater
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Notice how movies depict total collapse as portending women will be raped, raped, and then raped? Book of Eli seriously annoyed me for example.

We get the picture, "infected" are de-humanised others to be destroyed and women "need" government protection to avoid serial rape; its not that subtle but its pervasive.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:45 | 5003955 sleepingbeauty
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This is not what WHO and Wiki says. But I am no expert.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!