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Europe Unveils Preliminary Sanctions Against Russia

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While the preliminary terms of Europe's Russian sanctions were leaked yesterday, moments ago it was reported that EU ambassadors have reached an agreement on what the "hard-hitting" economic sanctions against Russia would look like even as details remain to still be ironed out ahead of a formal announcement of the final terms next week. According to Reuters, key measures suggested by the Commission include:

  • closing EU capital markets to state-owned Russian banks,
  • an embargo on arms sales to Moscow,
  • restrictions on the supply of energy and dual-use technologies.
  • a list of 15 individuals and 18 entities, including companies, subject to asset freezes for their role in supporting Russia's annexation of Crimea and detribalization of eastern Ukraine.

Of course, since France would blow a gasket if its Mistral ship was impacted by the sanctions, and since this really is just another populist measure not intended to really punish Russia (as that would mean a prompt shut off of European gas and an even prompter slide into a triple dip recession if not outright depression), Europe promptly "detoothed" the sanctions by announcing that they would not affect current supplies of oil, gas and other commodities from Russia, diplomats said.

As the map below shows, there is a dispersion of European opinions over Russian sanctions.

More from Reuters, whose details reveal that despite the attempt to show a unified stance, things in Europe are still very much split up between the various countries as any response by Russia would be proportional and impact some more than others:

Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, said there was still work to be done. "The direction of travel here is very clear but we are still travelling," she told reporters.

 

It was not immediately clear if the legal text would include all the options identified by the Commission. But EU officials said it would cover all four areas where sanctions have been proposed - restrictions on Russian access to European financial markets, defence and energy technology and equipment useful for both defence or civilian purposes.

 

Separately, the EU was due to publish later on Friday the names of 15 individuals and 18 entities, including companies, subject to asset freezes for their role in supporting Russia's annexation of Crimea and detribalization of eastern Ukraine.

 

Member states will scrutinise the draft legal text over the weekend and give their feedback to the Commission on Monday, one diplomat said. A revised draft may be adopted on Tuesday, he said.

 

Remaining stumbling blocks were over issues such as existing contracts as well as on a so-called "off-ramp" - how to scale back sanctions if Russia began to play a more constructive role in de-escalating the situation in Ukraine, the diplomat said.

What does the EU want? Merely for Russia to stop doing what the CIA has been doing since February (as confirmed by Victoria Nuland) - to stop intervening in a proxy conflict between east and west, which nearly half a year later is at a stalement, despite countless provocations on both side.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, whose country is seen as having a key role in shaping the EU response because it lost 194 citizens in the plane crash, said he would back sanctions unless Moscow halts weapons supplies to the rebels.

 

"We want as a country that has acquired a certain moral obligation as a result of this tragedy to promote Europe taking a common line on this," he told a parliamentary committee in The Hague.

 

"All indications are that Russia is continuing to arm the separatists," Rutte said, telling lawmakers he had spoken six times to Russian President Vladimir Putin since the disaster. "There's an easy way out for Russia: to distance themselves from the separatists, and stop arming them."

At the end of the day, however, despite the pomp and rhetoric, it is most likely that nothing of significant will actually happen:

"To a degree everyone is reverting to trying to protect their own national interests from harm," a senior European diplomat said.

 

The issue of upholding existing contracts with Russia is sensitive for France, which has agreed to sell Mistral helicopter carriers in a 1.2 billion euro ($1.61 billion) deal.

 

Another difficulty is balancing the pain of imposing the sanctions among EU member states. Britain is strong in financial services, Germany in technology and machinery, France in arms sales, while Italy is heavily dependent on Russia for energy.

Finally, it goes without saying that while Europe will ultimately end up doing something merely to piggyback on the latest round of Russian sanctions adopted by the US last week, the real question is how and what Putin will do in retaliation (aside from banning the Quarterpounder with Cheese of course), as that will demonstrate just how independent of the west the Eurasian, and BRIC, axis believes it has gotten.

 

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Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:30 | 5002884 buzzsaw99
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Europe promptly "detoothed" the sanctions by announcing that they would not affect current supplies of oil, gas and other commodities from Russia, diplomats said...

They hope it won't anyway.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:39 | 5002911 GetZeeGold
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not affect current supplies of oil, gas and other commodities from Russia

 

Or vodka.......it's just everything else no one needs.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:47 | 5002916 Latina Lover
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The Europeans know that the Kiev Kriminals puppetted by the USSA/EU were behind the MH17 False Flag.

One of the blatant indicators was the almost immediate, shrill, co ordinated spewing of talking points and emotional button pushing, demonizing Putin and Russia with absolutely no proof other than Twitter comments, Youtube and shrieking allegations from Kiev. 

The good news is that the propaganda line is already falling apart in the face of hard facts and tough questions asked by the Russians.  While the anglo saxon idiots will believe whatever they are told, the rest of the world understands how America starts every war with a lie?  Weapons of Mass destruction anyone?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:51 | 5002952 marriedgeordie
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You'd sound more intelligent if you were sucking someone's dick rather than sputtering this nonsense. And it takes a lot - I mean A FUCKING WHOLE LOT - of imagination to believe the shit russians are telling about MH17. A Ukrainian ground support fighter jet unable to fly at 10K hitting B777 with an air-to-air missile which has never in history rendered a commercial jet completely uncontrollable so quickly (there have been at least three cases, in one of which the plane landed)? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!? Huilo has to just admit that it gave the rocket to the monkeys, apologize and pay up - maybe in a decade or so the Dutch will stop being pissed off with the russians if he does it now.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:01 | 5002969 Latina Lover
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I like your bio, it tells me all I need to know about you.

Hope you enjoy bending over for the USSA controlled  Kiev criminals who are stealing your pensions, loading you up with debt, killing your sons with useless wars, making your daughters whores and transforming the Ukraine into a country a freezing Africa, complete with tribal wars, disease, organ stealing and ultra corrupt leaders.

Yeah, go ahead and  tell me that the Ukraine is better off now, than it was 6 months ago, LOL.

Actually, comparing dumb Ukrianians like yourself is an insult to the Blacks of Africa, who at least understand they are oppressed by the western powers.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:01 | 5002986 marriedgeordie
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THE Ukraine?!?!!? You are even dumber than I thought.... at least it does not look like you are one of them putin trolls - mostly likely just a brainwashed kid from Venezuela. Do not worry, you will grow out of it.... As for the substance of your comment - we have seen what Russia has on offer for us, THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH. Time to try something different - hence we are fighting.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:15 | 5003024 Latina Lover
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Blah, blah, blah,  useless talkings.

But you right in a way, there is no Ukraine any longer. After the attacks on Donbass, most of the population hates Kiev and wants nothing to do with the oligarchic gangsters puppeted by the USSA. They will never be Ukrainians again.

What is left are the brainwashed Galicians who think the EU will give them visa free travel so they run away.  Good luck with that! You are stuck on the plantation forever, the new white niggers of Europe, controlled by Zionist slavemasters.

The best part is, you chose to wear the chains, LOL>

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003047 marriedgeordie
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WOW, you just keep digging. I have quite the opposite information from people living in Donbass, but you obviously will not believe me. Suit youself - turn on your RT and enjoy the alternative reality.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:40 | 5003114 Latina Lover
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Sure, I keep digging:

-29.67% decline against the USD in the UAH since Jan. 2014

-10% GDP contraction in the economy

-default of 5 billion to Gazprom

-government coalition collapse this past week 

 

Quoting from your propaganda rag, Kyiv Post:

The government of Ukraine emphasizes that without the passing of these bills there won’t be answers to how salaries will be paid, pension, social benefits, how to ensure the army gets everything it needs, how to finance the public’s needs who became homeless because of the acts of terrorists and separatists, how to gurantee the nation’s energy security and survive the winter.”

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/cabinet-urges-parliament-to-rec...

Due to brainwashed fools like yourself , the Ukraine will never be a normal country

 

Good job, LOL>

 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:55 | 5003178 marriedgeordie
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For a country under an unprovoked military attack from its neighbour, this is not unexpected. And do not think that I am unaware of the state of Ukraine's economy - this is just a nice demonstration of what russia has in store for my country.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:46 | 5003290 Atomizer
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I have a question for you, why didn't we find large plane refuge and dead bodies at the crash site of flight 93? Do you remember the plane that vaporized in PA?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:32 | 5003354 Latina Lover
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Marriedgeordie, what Russia has in store for the Ukraine is nothing compared to the assfucking that the USSA will be giving you. Just ask the Iraqi's, Libyan's, Afgan's, Syrians, Vietnamese, etc

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:52 | 5003445 blentus
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I honestly hope that you're just trolling, and this is not your real state of mind.

I really do :(

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003050 gcjohns1971
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According to most of the Pukin-heads around here, you can't be Ukrainian because the whole Maidan thing was made up by the west with Cryogenically frozen world war II Nazis.

Almost all the evidence points to an accident.

But no one wants to hear it.  Everyone wants war because the East thinks that murdering a few hundred million will make them respectable and the West thinks it will make them retain respect.

As for me, I am just tired of the theiving murdering assholes, and want them gone.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:44 | 5003131 corsair
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You don't need cryogenic technology to create nazis. A proper home education will do the job just fine.

 

If YouTube wasn't so quick in removing content with "hate speech", I'd give you some links to show exactly what I mean.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:00 | 5004045 gcjohns1971
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I see!

Home education is what makes Nazi's!!!!!

 

And here I thought it was Private Ownership of companies, but with government control....

But that can't be right because that would mean that BOTH RUSSIA AND THE US are Nazi's.  And of course, we have to have some power chemicals to make us ignore what we see and beleive that one of these assholes is actually a saint in disguise.

Na zdorovye!

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:08 | 5003001 IPURDOM75
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I feel bad for you marriedgeordie....only rudeness equals the stupidity of your comment.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:16 | 5003035 marriedgeordie
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Rudeness was entirely warranted by the sheer ignorance and dumbness expressed by the poster, adjusted for the general level of this forum. My response also noted several clear inconsistencies in the point of view expressed by the russian ministry of defense - the view that was so dumb that the pentagon did not even bother commenting on it (of course i understand that for the general audience of this forum the pentagon is something like the root of all evil that lies all the time while the russians are the beacon of truth in this world).

Enjoy living in the alternative reality, but read a disclaimer: return to actual reality may be painful. This, my friend, applies to everyone who has been watching too much RT lately. Cheers.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:00 | 5003471 blentus
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I don't have a TV. Ok, I have a TV, but only a media player and Playstation are connected to it. I mostly play cartoons and documentaries for my kids, with occasional Playstation gaming session.

Am I watching too much RT too, or I am considering that you're an idiot because you really might just be an idiot?

Mysteries of life.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:17 | 5003041 Latina Lover
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I do not. People like marriedgeordie would rather suffer and die than admit they are wrong.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003055 marriedgeordie
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people like marriedgeordie know they are right, because they do not get their information from RT, but from people on the ground in Ukraine. once again, enjoy your alternative reality.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:30 | 5003345 Latina Lover
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Like I said, people like you would rather suffer and die than admit you are wrong. 

As for the people on the ground, I'll bet they are cheering over the higher prices, cut in wages and pensions, and being drafted into the army /sarc off

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:02 | 5003482 blentus
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Dear marriedgeordie,

As it happened so many times before, in the history of this world, you are the only one who has friends/contacts in areas of general interest.

Always remember how important you are, because you are *the* one.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:25 | 5003068 tony wilson
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newly married geordie

are you a geordie are you newly married

how nice.

your wife geordie i would watch her as i here the whores of your town like too blow strangers at bus stops on rainy saturday night : )

watch her my friend smell her breath when she gets home nothing worse than another mans cock smell on your beloved.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:26 | 5003083 marriedgeordie
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wow, tony - how classy and creative!!! hats off to you!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:51 | 5003159 tony wilson
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pleasure is all mine geordie

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:48 | 5003431 blentus
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Dear Mongoloid,

Russians are not really telling anything. They were asking fairly simple questions to which noone answered.

Theories about SU-25 shooting down B777 come from 'social media' (idiotic concept on its own), and you talking so much about it really shows how much attention you've been paying.

Yours truly,

Blentus

P.S: I am sure Russians really care how much Dutch are pissed off at them, considering their anger is based on accusations with absolutely no backing or sense.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:10 | 5003152 HardAssets
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What actually happened is irrelevant to The Great Game players. Once the plane went down everything transformed to a battle fought with propaganda. US spokespeople came up with lame stories that could only be believed by the dumbed down American public. These stories wouldn't really be effective on the rest of the world because they have no real supporting evidence and are based on lies. Not enough 'ammo' to convince European states to ratchet things up against Russia. (I also suspect that US sat intel shows the Ukes did it. Journalist Parry says he has an insider source who says this is the case.) The US 'officials' know this, as do everyone else. This matter is over, they're just making a (rather minimal ) show of it.

A month from now all of this will be down the msm Memory Hole and something else will be in the 'news'

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:40 | 5002912 Latina Lover
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No Freedom Fries for the Russkies.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:42 | 5002919 Max Damage
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I like the destabilizing Eastern Ukraine bit. No mention of those responsible for destabilizing the whole of Ukraine. These arseholes really do think people are fuckin stupid.......Oh shit I forgot the majority are fuckin stupid

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:48 | 5002940 observer007
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MH17:

Netherland wants to send military troops to east ukraine:

http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:59 | 5002976 Apeman
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True, but not gonna happen.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:31 | 5002886 Keyser
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they would not affect current supplies of oil, gas and other commodities from Russia, diplomats said. Of course , Vlad may have another view...
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:38 | 5002893 buzzsaw99
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neither side seems to have thought this through very well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5I

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:39 | 5002913 Squid-puppets a...
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CAAAAARN PUTIN! Shut it offf!!! SHUT DOWN the gas NOWWWW!!!

After all, Europe is proving itself to be 'unreliable trade partners'

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:41 | 5002917 wallstreetapost...
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With Europe moving soooo slow to enact, Russia will be able to manoeuvre all around this..  Time to ramp up for war.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:41 | 5002920 Stoploss
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Here's a helpful hint for the vagina squad, since they are new at this game:

 

When you open your eyes and all you see is knees, it is you, who is over the barrel...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:17 | 5003040 Keyser
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Much like getting into a game of cards with a bunch of Philippinos... Whether you know it or not, you're the mark... 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:42 | 5002918 Urban Redneck
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Eurotard: noun, a pompous lower primate, indigenous to several major European cities, incapable of understanding that transferring energy technology to Russia today, directly relates to the price that Europeans will pay for energy tomorrow (irrespective of Russia intentionally restricting energy supplies to Europe), and that TBTF European energy firms' access to Russian energy production licenses (and profit sharing) is predicated on said TBTF European energy firms sharing their latest technology with Russia.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:44 | 5002927 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

 

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations.


MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:36 | 5002891 Chuck Knoblauch
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You realize that energy prices will spike in the U.S. if Russia turns the power off in Europe?

However, Israel will still have priority of supply from U.S. oil companies.

The order will be Israel, Europe, and U.S.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:36 | 5002899 Lumberjack
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When Russia sanctions CBRE (Dianne Feinstein's husband's company), then I will know it's getting serious.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:35 | 5002900 juujuuuujj
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What will Russia ever do without those sound European capital markets?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:37 | 5002902 JohninMK
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Who benefits if oil prices spike? Oooops Russia

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:37 | 5002903 BadDog
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Still waiting for Russia to announce energy setttlements in Yuan, Rubles and Gold.  Nothing else will do.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:43 | 5002926 Squid-puppets a...
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I fuckn WISH

Fukkit! Im sick of the can kicking malfeasant malinvested malign BULLSHIT from the west. TEAR IT ALL DOWN ! PUUUUURGE

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:56 | 5002966 marriedgeordie
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Would you accept a Russian promisory note of any kind (and RUR is just that - a promise to accept this piece of paper in the future)?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:08 | 5003005 BadDog
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For trading purposes, yeah.  But not for long term wealth preservation, because all fiat money as they currently exist, are worth 0 for that purpose.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003054 astoriajoe
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Perhaps they will add those cool pneumatic tubes on the side of each pipeline.

You want oil, just plunk your gold eagle or maple leaf into the tube and ve vill turn on the oil for you.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:38 | 5002905 Max Damage
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Since Russia has pretty much no debt I don't think they need Weatern capital markets. The west is just accelerating its bankruptcy

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:59 | 5002975 blabam
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More cash for STAWKS! 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:38 | 5002908 Bill of Rights
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Speaking of Hypocrite Mental patient

It Turns Out Liz Warren Loves Subsidizing Big Businesses and Wall Street | National Review Online

Seem " Sitting Bull " is full of Bull

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:17 | 5003042 Grumbleduke
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and why are you surprised?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:40 | 5002914 AGoldhamster
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Unprecedented kindergarten soap opera for 3-5 year olds

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:55 | 5002968 what's that smell
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Stephen Falken: Uh, uh, General, what you see on these screens up here is a fantasy; a computer-enhanced hallucination.

[At the club Silencio]

Bondar: No hay banda! There is no band! Il n'est pas de orquestra! This is all... a tape-recording. No hay banda! And yet we hear a band. If we want to hear a clarinette... listen.

Bondar: [the sounds responding to his every hand motion] Un trombon "à coulisse". Un trombon "con sordina". Sient le son du trombon in sourdine. Hear le son... and mute it... drop it. It's all recorded. No hay banda! It's all a tape. Il n'est pas de orquestra. It is... an illusion!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:43 | 5002923 SidKhadak
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MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II

 

The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations. MH17 Chameleon: Operation Rapid Trident II
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:47 | 5002939 JohninMK
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This must be the 12th time this post has appeared.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:43 | 5002928 Lumberjack
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Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source

 

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercise...

 

MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:54 | 5002961 marriedgeordie
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And here comes another fairytale from our friends in Kremlin. While we are at it, what was the name of that boy crucified by the Ukrainian army in Sloviansk?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:57 | 5002970 Bioscale
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Did you mean Kiev?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:05 | 5002994 marriedgeordie
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It says MOSCOW in capital letters!!!! Reading is not something you do, eh?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:19 | 5003051 Lumberjack
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Did you not comprehend the headline? I am pretty sure Ukraine did this possibly unintentionally and Moscow is giving them a way to save face. The operative word is 'might' have accidentally.

It is a very generous headline and if true, Kiev should take it before things get worse.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:24 | 5003070 marriedgeordie
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Sounds to me like the Kremlin realised noone will believe the bullshit about the Ukrainian SU-25 ground support fighter, so they came up with this new piece of crap. Trust me, noone in the actual world will believe this either.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:45 | 5003139 tony wilson
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go fight ivan then you stupid beer bellyed flat footed twatter : )

go on destroy the russian fatty

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:04 | 5003213 Peter Pan
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Check your bio. You have misspelled Putin.

You are entitled to your point of view but being a Ukranian from here onwards is going to be tough for you because of the manner in which the US has decided to use you as a pawn against Russia. I hope the USA can supply you with gas at a better rate than Russia but somehow I believe that you will be disappointed.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:25 | 5003079 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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I think this sounds like a softening of tone from the Russian side and hence a potential part of a cover-up.

A "training exercise"?? It has been reported earlier that 4 rockets hit the Russian border that morning, and that Ukranian forces blamed Russia for heavy artillery fire into Ukraine - particularly intense in a town where Ukraine had stationed Paratroopers. The Ukranians also reported that a Ukranian Figther Jet had been shot down by rebels that morning.

Intense fire with live munitions in other words. Does not sound like a "training exercise" was very likely to have been executed in that situation. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:42 | 5003125 Lumberjack
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:51 | 5003158 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Hey Tony! - How did you manage to squeeze yourself in between geordie and me? Is there a comment re-arrange function available somewhere?

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:08 | 5003241 tony wilson
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no

purely based on satanic masonic connections.

i send my messages via the cern higs bassoon underground facilities.

as cern is a wormhole generator i can interupt most communications systems init

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:38 | 5003637 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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aah,, fasczinating. I see Pan has joined the party. Positively occult.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:08 | 5003506 blentus
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Are you capable of reading, or you just go "WAAAAAAAAHGRHGHREGRHGHERGHERGER" on any sighting of word "Moscow"?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:45 | 5002931 Canucklehead
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Russia can't afford to cut off energy exports. The Russians need hard currency for their imports. The Russians do not want to go back to the 1990's.

If they cut energy exports, the global market will adjust over time and Russia will have great difficulty in getting back into the market. They will lose a great deal of profitability in trying to buy back that market share.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:47 | 5002941 Urban Redneck
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"hard currency"... that's funny. On what planet is said "hard currency" found?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:53 | 5002957 Latina Lover
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If Russia cuts energy exports to Europe, they won't need external sources because their economies will be totally devastated long before the mythical american LNG  appears.  The only alternate sources of gas will be the verbal farts erupting out the of the mouths of the EU political class.

 

Lie all you want, your words will not change objective reality.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:23 | 5003064 Urban Redneck
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Look FUCKTARD, casting aspersions does not prove your point, and the only objective reality that you seem capable of wrapping your mind around is one that has been spoon fed to you by some Ministry of Truth.

Tha vast majority of Russian imports facilitate energy and raw material exports right back to the very people exporting finished goods to Russia. Outside of the tiny minority of imports that are luxury goods (LVMH et al.), sourcing of these imported goods can be largely redirected to China.

http://stat.wto.org/CountryProfile/WSDBCountryPFView.aspx?Language=S&Cou...
http://comtrade.un.org/db/ce/ceSearch.aspx?it=Type+commodity+text+here&r...
http://www.wto.org/english/res_e/statis_e/its2012_e/its2012_e.pdf (detailed data starts around p 200)

As to my original point- where and what is this "hard currency"? -- The very notion reflects a Yahoo!-level understanding of national and cross border banking.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:25 | 5003077 overmedicatedun...
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malysia airline a mystery to physics..planes go missing with multiple sat nav responders, another gets shot down in a heavy intel area and nobody can say for sure who did it...rod serling been dug up a writing more twilight zone scripts?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:16 | 5003267 Canucklehead
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You don't think Russia will continue to use USD or Euros after they pull the plug on Europe? China will know that they are Russia's only saving grace after Russia pulls the plug on Europe. China won't accept rubles or yuan. They would export more to Russia than they would buy from Russia.

Once Russia has been delivered to China, the Chinese leadership can shop that influence around. The only parties that would be interested in paying for that influence will be the developed countries. Ergo, joint Chinese-(Pick Your Country) ventures that cannibalize sales of other Russian manufactured goods. China grabs market share and everyone gets to smack Russia around.

Russia would be totally committed to their Chinese exports while China can strategically maneuver to annex the eastern regions of Russia.

Everyone wins...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:52 | 5003999 Urban Redneck
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That assumes China won't accept rubles or yuan, but the bilateral currency settlement arrangements are already in place. Furthermore, the BRICS house won't stand much less dethrown USD hegemony if it's divided, which the US would love. The Chinese can get a decent amount of oil out of KSA, and less out of Africa, but they need Russian oil to keep up the air pollution. Until the Old World order is put in it's place, neither Russia nor China can afford to even the appearance of strong divisions.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:35 | 5004507 Canucklehead
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Why would China accept Yuan? They can print that to their hearts content. As for rubles, what will they be good for. If Russia pulls the energy plug, their loose solar system crashes and joins Europe. There will be deals a plenty once Russia passes the gate and China closes it.

You seem to forget that China needs to export, export, export.

Influence over Russia is simply another export.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:58 | 5005323 Urban Redneck
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What China needs is to export manufactured products and debt.

What Russia needs is to export raw materials (they do also have significant manufacturing exports, but I oversimplify) and debt.

(Modern) Money is nothing more than an illusion, a sum total entry on the books of a central bank and a corresponding sum total entry on the books of member bank, which then takes responsibility for the division of nominal "ownership" of that money among its clients (even though the actual owner of that money is the bank... see central bank's books). An excess supply of someone else's worthless zero's and ones is good for leverage, but it has no intrinsic value, so it doesn't really matter what worthless currency they say they're using for trade settlement.

What is import to the central banks and central planners who all can print at will -- is the debt and interest rates. (One of the primary reasons central banks still hold debt in a ZIRP environment is the added leverage that debt has with respect to interest rates.)

So the BRICS want dethrown the USD hegemony, which is ~80% of global currency flows. In order to do this they need to export a fuck-ton a debt in order to "justify" the increase in the money supply necessary to dethrown the USD, without winning the Mugabe Award or queering the deal with interest rates gone wild.

So yes, they both need to export, export, export (an order of magnitude more than they are now). But it has to be a coordinated ballet, or the house of cards collapses, which is why the settlement currency I blew off above will take care of itself. And yes, the Russians are at a competitive disadvantage if they have to turn away from the EU market (although there's still Africa, S America, Oceania, and the rest of Asia) so the competitive disadvantage will cost them a few basis points, but if a few basis points is too much to pay, then perhaps one shouldn't borrow for a new car, house, or financial paradigm, but instead stick with their current crappy car, house or reserve currency. Since sticking with USD is the least desirable and worst strategic solution for both Moscow and Beijing, they will do what they must.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:50 | 5002944 Latina Lover
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Russia can survive longer without energy exports to Europe than Europe can survive without heat for homes and offices, fuel for factories etc. 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:22 | 5003067 buzzsaw99
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True but can the same be said for Putin? You could remove hopey and plug in any retard and the machine keeps humming with nary a hiccup. Putin on the other hand...

 

before any of you retards suppose that i am advocating this move having written the above or even that i give a fuck in the least i say grow a brain morans.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:34 | 5003103 tony wilson
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how long would the uk last without tescos and fruit and veg from peru or africa

if a reset happened who could and would survive.

 

 

While many in the world are completely dependent on large scale agriculture, the Russian people feed themselves. Their agricultural economy is small scale, predominantly organic and in the capable hands of the nation's people. Russians have something built into their DNA that creates the desire to grow their own food. It's a habit that has fed the Russian nation for centuries. It's not just a hobby but a massive contribution to Russia's agriculture.

 

http://naturalhomes.org/naturalliving/russian-dacha.htm

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:51 | 5002949 Max Damage
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They supply East instead of West

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:49 | 5002933 JohninMK
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From Facebook. For some reason this particular Group is not used as a source by US Int. The bold section is mine, I wonder if they are still alive.

 


Truth about situation in Ukraine   about an hour ago

 

Little noticed but very important recognition from the United States - the official representative of the Foreign Ministry said while briefing on Wednesday that "the U.S. does not deny, but also do not confirm" that at the moment when the MH17 was shot down, a Ukrainian military aircraft was in the vicinity of MH17».

http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/07/25/amerikaner-werden-nervoes-hat-die-ukraine-den-abschuss-von-mh17-ausgeloest/

and please see also a part of the briefing below
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Head of the anti-aircraft missile regiment No.156 was ordered on July 17 to conduct training flights, the "goal – monitoring of the ground groups in Donetsk in the suburbs," he said, next task was to "train the entire process - from search-type ground surveillance till firing the target in the training mode with a Type of Buk-M1”.
The actual launch of the 9M38M1 supposed to be only in the training mode.
A tragic accident could lead to the crossing of the trajectories of the Boeing MH17 and the missiles Su-25 flight. Although they were at different heights, the radar-controlled aimer could make a fatal mistake - occurred automatically reconfigured on the “bigger point” once it appeared at the radar as a close aim", the source said.
“The cause of a possible unintended missile launch could not be explained yet”, - the anonymous speaker. "This is the question, which the employees of the Security Service of Ukraine, who picked up the crew of the battery, incl. commander about half past nine in the evening, going to find out"

http://de.ria.ru/politics/20140725/269105594.html

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part from the briefing:
QUESTION: Secondly, I’m not sure that – I know that there were some suggestions that the Ukrainian fighter plane shot down this – with a missile, but the --
MS. HARF: So the Russians have basically had a couple of alternative explanations.
QUESTION: Right.
MS. HARF: There was the Ukrainian fighter jet. I think we – the intelligence community went to great lengths yesterday to show why that’s not the case.
The other – one of the other things they said was that it was a Ukrainian SA-11 system that the Ukrainians had fired. Again, I think they made very clear why that’s not also the case.
QUESTION: But the theory that – or the – I don’t know what you would – the suggestion isn’t necessarily that the Ukrainian jet – I mean, you have – you’ve discovered that the Ukrainian jet was in the vicinity, but it was not capable of shooting (inaudible) down --
MS. HARF: No, I can’t confirm that there was even a Ukrainian – we have no confirmation that I have seen that there was a Ukrainian jet.
QUESTION: Oh, that there was even --
MS. HARF: I’m not saying there wasn’t. I just can’t confirm it.
QUESTION: Right.
SOURCE: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229681.htm#UKRAINE
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And in the meantime HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH WARNS KIEV OF WAR CRIMES IN GRAD ROCKETS USE
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/human-rights-watch-warns-kiev-of-war-crimes-in-grad-rockets-use-564774

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:48 | 5002942 yogibear
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If  Putin wanted to play real hard he would cut off the natural gas supplies to Europe.

It's amazing what a long cold winter can do.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:51 | 5002951 GetZeeGold
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No worries....I'm sure he'll never think of that.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:51 | 5002953 JohninMK
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He may have to cut the gas in order to force the EU to stop the Ukrainians stealing it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:50 | 5002948 ross81
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talk about baring a grudge, huh eastern Europe? Can someone remind them the Cold War ended like 25 years ago. Maybe the likes of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Rep & Poland would prefer paying exorbitant rates for non-Russian gas & oil?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:08 | 5003000 gcjohns1971
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It is back by popular demand.

Now people don't care about right and wrong.  They care about this side and that side.

They openly advocate murder, lies, and force "because they are strong and can".

 

You know, maybe WWIII is not such a bad idea. 

Clear out the dead-wood.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:51 | 5002950 observer007
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MH17

Ukraine should organize a search for elements of the rocket that was fired in the east of the country around the area where the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was flying, the head of Rosaviatsiya, Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency,

 

Putin's daughter Maria has 'fled Holland' after Dutch…

Latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:52 | 5002959 JohninMK
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Why would Ukraine want to search for the missile, apart from wanting to put it in a shreader?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:54 | 5002962 AnAnonymous
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Untoothed? Taking the road of the food for oil program enacted on Iraq. Iraq was also free as 'american' free to export their oil.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:25 | 5002996 Againstthelie
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The intention is clear: USA and GB want Russia out of Europe.

It began that first they destroyed the KSZE. After they had succeeded and this mechanism to talk and find solutions, instead of making war, they could commit the first war in Europe after WW2: the war against Serbia.

Kazakhstan's Nasarbayev wanted something similar like the KSZE for Asia. Also there USrael did everything to sabotage it. But Russia and the Asians were not stupid enough and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization could be established.

The border disputes between Russia and China could be solved that way.

But whenever there's a potential conflict, USrael is ready to create the tensions and sabotage a solution. I think about the dispute between China and Japan.

Since 200 years the Brits always supported conflicts or even created tensions on the European continent so that they keep their influence.

Therefore they are the biggest supporters of the exapnsion of the EU, even if the countries are not ready: it creates problems. It weakens the euro and creates problems, while the Brits keep their own currency.

Why do they want Moldovia or Turkey in the EU? Maybe they should make the City of London part of Britain and keep it not extraterrestrial first?

 

The good news is, that Russia recognizes what is behind it. Medvedev stated, that the relationship between Russia and Europe will not be damaged.

The question is, how long can Russia and the upright EU members withstand the pressure of the warmongers and their fifth colonies, when the presstitutes are fully in the hand of USrael? If USrael succeeds in creating facts in Ukraine, then things could spin out of control fast and the Angloamerican axis of evil could get the war in Europe they try to create nowadays almost everywhere.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:15 | 5003036 SteveNYC
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Each of the countries pushing the sanctions on Russia are, relatively speaking, small or weak countries (the UK is perhaps an exception, but not by much). They should consider the fact that their much larger, more powerful neighbor, is, geographically speaking, not going anywhere.

Short-term decision making is not the best thing for your long term health.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:21 | 5003059 shouldvekilledthem
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As a european, I consider Europe as the puppet of the US, but I also dislike Russia as a power too.

I wish people in general would realize that governments are not what they are supposed to be :) 

"Decentralize" should be the motto for the coming generations.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:32 | 5003097 JohninMK
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These are Kiev's figures for the losses on both sides. It looks a bit one sided (bear in mind these are Kiev's figures) which must be giving them nightmares. They are not killing 'rebels/terrorists' they are killing their own troops and civilians. Apparently they run out of money to pay troops pretty soon and bribing them with seized land will not feed their families.

No wonder the Government are bailing out and the military is becoming increasingly desperate for real US help, like drones with Hellfires.

Thanks to Saker and team again

An Accounting of the Losses among Ukrainian Military, the Militants and the Civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions (for the period from July 9-15, 2014) TOTAL UKRAINIAN LOSSES
  1. Killed in Action: 1600
  2. Wounded in Action: 4723
  3. Tanks: 35
  4. Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
  5. Artillery: 38
  6. Aircraft: 7
  7. Helicopters: 2
  8. Automobiles: 104
TOTAL MILITIA LOSSES
  1. Killed in Action: 48
  2. Wounded in Action: 64
  3. Tanks: 2
  4. Armoured Battle Vehicles: 0
  5. Artillery: 5
  6. Automobiles: 8
TOTAL CIVILIAN LOSSES
  1. Killed: 496
  2. Wounded: 762
SIGNED & SUBMITTED BY: Arsen Avakov (Minister of Interior) and V. Gritsak (Head of the ATO) http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/07/catastrophic-desertions-and-los...
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:08 | 5003244 NoWayJose
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Of course, any old Ukrainian coal miner can be trained to operate a US supplied drone weapons system in 3 days.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:35 | 5003105 rsnoble
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Imagine where this situation would be if Putin were as stupid as Obama.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:37 | 5003109 rsnoble
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Or should I say the clowns pulling obama's strings.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:28 | 5003337 One of We
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Or a foreign ministry staffed with a bunch of twittering bimbos and one guy in a horse mask.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 09:41 | 5003120 ThisIsBob
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Not to worry about paychecks, Uhranian soilders.  US taxpayer money will soon be made to come to your rescue.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:05 | 5003230 NoWayJose
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The Mistral ship is just a 'whale watching' ship...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:07 | 5003237 corsair
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There seems to be a correlation between "Most reluctant" and South Stream. :)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 10:27 | 5003328 Bankster Kibble
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There is no "off ramp."  Sanctions are forever.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:00 | 5003448 Kina
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Europe has No alternative source to the gas levels currently supplied by Russia. Russia cutting off the Gas will make a very big difference to Europe that cannot be overcome in the short term, in which time its economy will collapse because of reduced energy and the sudden spike in energy costs that would follow.

 

The Europeane economy and debt chaos is already walking a tightrope....Russia cutting off the Gas may well push them off th rope. It is a massive risk to Europe (Germany, France....).

 

The US obviously couldn't give a fuck about Europe's or their own economic problems and are happy to nuke the Europeane an US economies in their obsession to get the Ukraine under their power...and limit Russia.

 

These guys are like a man in quicksand grabbing at poisonous snakes

 

PS. Please note - It is impossible to replace Russia gas with 'shipped in' gas.....can never provide the quantity and would be multiple times the cost.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:20 | 5003553 fishwharf
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I was going to boycott Russian products until I found these nesting dolls.

http://boilr.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obama-dolls.jpg

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:20 | 5003565 JohninMK
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We are heading towards 'you couldn't make it up' territory now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705388/Yacht-s-way-send-oligarc...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:28 | 5003591 richsob
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People need to understand game theory. The more sanctions that the West puts on Russia which actually mean anything (shutting Russia off from Western banks/capital markets, etc.) the less threat there is for Russia to shut off the gas. It's because Russia would need that income from gas sales even more than usual. It's counter-intuitive but true. There is a point at which the sanctions actually do cramp Russia's options. Now whether or not Obama and the rest of the gang understand that or not (or have the balls to see it through all the way) is another issue.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:53 | 5003716 eishund
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Obama and Gang can have balls....until the capital markets implode.....which is.....anytime now. And then, they gotta eat their balls for breakfast.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 11:32 | 5003606 eishund
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It's funny. There was an air exercise during 9/11 too. Seriously.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:05 | 5003777 Nehweh Gahnin
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Um, that would be the Royale with Cheese, Tyler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pkq_eBHXJ4

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:16 | 5003834 Hanging Harry
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All Putin has to do is make an agreement with Iran to send his nuclear scientists and ballistic missle experts to provide training and education to iranian scientists AND game over - no sanctions, no nothing! Putin holds the cards that matter, and he knows it!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:02 | 5004048 lasvegaspersona
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When all is said and done it appears the main purpose is to put a stick in the Russian eye. Yes there is the liklihood the plane was accidently shot down by the Russians in Ukraine and that the BUK were supplied by Russia. Enough time has passed however that it appears no one will actually present the world's people with evidence. 

After years of NATO encroachment and provocation and expansion (missles in Poland anyone) it is hard to see these sanctions as anything more than a continuation of the effort to isolate and antagonize Russia.

Being clever about it just makes those proposing the sacntions seem devious.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:38 | 5017931 Youri Carma
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My take on it, MH17 - THE FACTS:

1 – Fact is that Fascist Kiev is responsible for diverting flight MH17, out of the ordinary, over front-line territory.

2 – Fact is that Malaysian Flight MH17 then has been shut down by a missile on 33,000 feet.

3 – Fact is that multiple Ukrainian eyewitnesses confirm what a retired CIA crash expert could read from the pictures taken at the crash site namely that it was hit by an air-to-air missile. From a Kiev deployed fighter jet we learned from the witnesses and confirmed by Russian radar images.
 
The Video Report Deleted by the BBC – ENG SUBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro

A Deleted BBC Report: “A Ukrainian Fighter Jet Shot Down MH 17,” Donetsk Eyewitnesses http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/07/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet...
 
PS: So no BUK missile system or witnesses certainly would have seen it's huge contrail which this missile leaves behind it's trajectory as said by many experts. And to quote the retired CIA crash expert: "The metal fuselage of the Boeing-777 shows no traces of deep and long scratch marks from the steel balls delivered in the warhead of a Buk ground-to-air missile" Source: http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html

- It was no coincidence that the plane was Malaysian immediately triggering the horror of missing Malaysian flight MH370.

- It was no coincidence that the media immediately referred to the AIDS conference claiming there where 100 people on the plain connected with this meeting while in reality it only where up to 6 including family members. AIDS is associated with homosexuality especially in the West and there had been a huge brawl most recently about homosexual rights in Russia.

Aids conference says 100 researchers may have been on flight MH17 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/aids-conference-says-100-re...

- It was no coincidence that the majority of the people on the flight were Dutch. The Netherlands is Russia’s 3th-biggest trading partner.

- It was no coincidence that Christine Lagarde of the IMF gave her occult message speech about “the magic seven.” Flight17=7. Flight370=21(777). Date 7-17,2014. 2+0+1+4=7.
 
Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw
 
- It is no coincidence that Kiev censors MH17 air traffic control recordings.
 
Kiev censors MH17 air traffic control recordings http://www.intellihub.com/kiev-censors-mh17-air-traffic-control-recordings/
 
Also see: MH17 False Flag 100% Confirmed! Complete Compilation Of NEW Evidence! CASE CLOSED! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FELKpT7jwsc

Read more from here and back in this post from LETSBEREAL: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=256502.msg1481197#msg1481197

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:51 | 5005668 luna_man
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C'mon Russia, STOP THE FLOW!!  TURN UP THE HEAT!!

 

cut right to the chase...no mo mr nice guy here CRIMINALS!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:29 | 5017860 Youri Carma
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Since it doesn’t matter what Putin does, he always will be painted as the bad guy in the media anyways, he as well may invade the Ukraine, which he should have done right from the start, to finaly end this Western backed charade.

Let’s get them Ruskies, they think they’re better than us with their Macho headgames?

It’s go time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcFSOnumgZA

- Remember that sanctions are in fact an act of war and always lead to an hot war!

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