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If Americans Knew What Was Happening In Israel …
If my fellow Americans understood the history of Israel and Palestine, their views would change overnight … and they would demand that Israel no longer be given unconditional support and blank checks to do whatever they want:
Postscript: Former Israeli Minister: Calling people who criticize Israeli policy “anti-semitic. It’s a trick … we always use it”.
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Dude, if you're legit, and they come after you, they won't 'go hunting' with you - they'll drop you at 50 yards and it'll be over before you know it.
Or you'll find yourself being diagnosed with cancer.
Or fired from your job. Or your suppliers change their terms because they heard rumours you're a drunk and on the verge of bankruptcy. Or your clients vanish because they heard rumours you're incompetent.
Or they'll 'find' stuff on your computer - stuff you've never seen - and prove you're a terrorist/paedophile/whatever. Could you prove someone else planted that filth on your computer? Do you have the forensic tools? Can you compete with the scum who have been doing this shit for decades, and have teams of sociopaths working for them?
Kudos for telling the world who you are, but I for one will let them work for it.
Big Jim...
I really do not think that I am all that important in their plans. But the point is that I will not be intimidated by them. If they "drop me at 50 yards" then I will not be around to even comment about it.
The reason that fear and intimidation works is that you, I, and many others allow it to work.
When we STAND up and tell them, "It is not working", then, like the bullies they are, they will back down.
Instead of fearing them let us make a stand and have them fear us, collectively, for a change. (That phrase, "for a change", means in this sentence, TO AFFECT A CHANGE.)
When people fear the Government then you have a Dictatorship. When Government fears the people you will have Liberty.
I know that you love Liberty from reading your posts. I know that you are honorable from other people that you know.
You may not agree with me, as I, may not agree with you all of the time.
Consider letting people know where you stand as you take a very honorable stand.
Let them know, in their face, that enough is enough.
As for me I have had a belly full of it.
I appreciate where you're coming from. But I consider our polity to be akin to a train on a gentle slope that's had a brake failure.
In the beginning, if you got to it soon enough, you and a few of your friends could bring it to a halt yourselves by just getting in front of it and pushing.
But at this point, using that method risks you getting maimed or worse... and to no effect.
Whereas, if we can convince enough people the train needs to be stopped, enough of us can try dragging it to a halt.
I'm not optimistic, but, frankly, I influence a lot more people alive than dead, so I'll do what I can to maintain that status.
I know you're a Christian and believe in life after death, and have the sense that this shit is all God's will. I don't. I see a bigger and bigger world of pain for everyone if these fuckers aren't stopped, and I feel it's a duty to alert as many people to the truth as possible.
Every time TPTB engage in some piece of dirty work, they risk being further unmasked. Like you, I doubt I'm a sufficiently annoying thorn in their side to warrant that risk. But that doesn't mean some Zionut(s) may not decide God wants me dead and its their duty to implement it, damn the consequences.
Bad news for you Jim, they already know.
Respect.
Thomas, I greatly admire your courage in 'coming out'. But I don't think the NSA is your problem. At least not yet. If you expose yourself as an 'anti-Semite' (i.e. someone Jews don't like) you are very likley to find problems where you work in due course.
I have seen this happen and it happened to myself in fact for a really very trivial 'anti-semitic' remark.
If you run a business you might find difficulty in financing it or some other obstacles might be thrown in your way.
However, your central thesis is correct. If enough people go public 'they' will be powerless against us. So here I go. My name is Tony Murphy and I live at South Bank, Cobh Co. Cork Ireland.
Looks like we Paddies might be setting a trend here!
This power exists in many nations. Ya think Henry Ford might have had a point?
careful. Alan Shatter isn't alone.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/ireland-pro-palestinian-says-israe...
Monty, my Kerry and Clare blood shed for the Republican Army expects that I am much less likely to be injured by a Zionist wearing a terrosist murder than by a muslim wearing the same.
If you disagree, provide evidence for your position.
PS. The NSA has my contact info and I'm not willing to put my family at risk for exposing the truth.
Bravo to you though.
I do not think that MI6 is really all that interested in harming your family.
If they were then it already would have happened.
I am not in the Emerald Country. I do know that there was Civil Conflict over the Northern "Frontier"
Northern Ireland should have the right to break away from the UK is they want. (In fact it is somewhat similar to what is happening inUkraine these days.)
But, as Tyler Durden says in Fight Club and Project Mayhem, your level of participation is up to you.
I cannot disrespect you for your fear for "your family's safety".
But I want to embolden you also. If you truly believe that trading your Liberty will garner you any safety then you will find out that those whom are promising safety and security will take your Liberty and become that which is threatening.
If you fear your Government's retribution against your family for some action that you may do then is your family really that safe and secure? Or are you deluding yourself because it is more comfortable for you to do so?
Currently your Government has become the threat against your family as that is what you have inadvertently admitted with your post. It has already happened. It is evidential that they will do it.
So when is enough, enough? Think about it. I know that it is uncomfortable. I know that you are experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
But please think about it.
i think its my Greenough blood that keeps me in the mix.
if is find myself in lakeside or cork, i'll be bringing the guiness, brothers.
we came from cork - damn!
Thanks. And 'forexskin'...brilliant!
George, You forgot to include this link: http://www.standupamericaus.org/corruption-2/billionaires-hamas-gaza-beyond/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+StandUpAmericaUs+%28The+SUA+Blog+%7C+Stand+Up+America+US%29
I understand what is happening in Israel, even if GW can't or won't.....because of his obvious hatred of conservative Jews.
HAMAS lobbed thousands of rockets at Israel, and now HAMAS is getting what they so richly deserve.
It's really not that difficult to understand, except for those who hate conservative Jews.
no one cares less about facts than Israel's apologists.
http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2014/07/08/070814-max-blumenthal/
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-isra...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-...
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/gazaNOVEMBER.jpg
dude, you gotta get past the jew thing. I don't give a shit about religion or race or any of that shit, I just don't like a group of people thinking they can act the way isreal does and murder so many people and get away with it. Murray Rothbard, a jew, has writtenan excellent reason why many of us are against this naked agression by isreal. Keep in mind, this was written decades ago. What was true then is still true now. Whats really pathetic is that this has been going on for this long, and people are stil so fucking stupid, like you, thy buy the propaganda so easily. All of you, please, read this
http://original.antiwar.com/rothbard/2010/03/02/war-guilt-in-the-middle-...
1948 Jews STOLE the land they now say they have the right to live on.
Refute that, you IGNORANT FUCK.
Gee, I wonder why the Palestinians are pissed.
I guess, if someone stole your house you'd say 'oh, well, no problem'
Just don't let too many people know that's how you feel.
If not for the iron dome missile defense how many Israelis would be dead? Not to mention the property damage and the cost of launching over one thousand iron dome missiles. Some of you people on this site are incredibly hateful and cowardly. Why don't you move your family into one of those muslim enclaves in Europe or Dearborn, Michigan? There you could really let your love flow you little cowardly dhimmis. Bend over
Why don't you move your family into one of those muslim enclaves in Europe or Dearborn, Michigan? There you could really let your love flow you little cowardly dhimmis. Bend over
And yet that is exactly what Zionists chose to do - carve out their own little enclave of racial supremacists amidst a sea of people they thought were cattle. And they wonder why the cattle occasionally stampede.
When people point out that Israel is a racist, criminal enterprise, they're not saying they love Muslims, or want to live amongst them, or think it's a good idea to encourage millions of them to come and live in their own countries. They're pointing out that Israel is a racist, criminal enterprise, and any attacks on them by the dispossessed Palestinians are a natural consequence of their past criminality.
which ones?
i for one would prefer to see liberty and justice for all and live under a rule of law respecting both.
that seems to be in short supply wherever the zionists, mullahs, caliphates, crusaders, etc start that typical crap.
just about anything coming out of the middle east these days is the worst of humanity, and i reserve the right to reject all of it as alien to the principles of our REPUBLIC!
GFY
The root of the problem is putting people who have historical enmity and hatred for each other in a small densely populated area that all major religions have a stake in.
It is not a question of who is right - the Snake or the Mongoose; the question is who put them in a cage together and why.
I've been trying to find a relatively neutral post to reply to and this looks like one of the most benign, but also the most interesting. I am looking for a book teach me more about this conflict and the history and people behind it. Can anyone make a recommendation please?
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Israel-Shahak/dp/074530818X
http://original.antiwar.com/rothbard/2010/03/02/war-guilt-in-the-middle-...
This ia pretty short, and article rather than a book. It is from the 80's, so obviously is is missing 30 years of history, but if it is the origins of the conflict you are interested in, you won't find a better write up. It is also written by Murray Rothbard, a jew, so its not 'anti-jew' in any manner. It is a purely libertarian view of the origins of the conflict, written by one of the 'godfathers' of modern libertarian/anarchist thought
This is worth reading and following for everyone.
We have to learn who the Power Players are:
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277
S.2277 - Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014113th Congress (2013-2014)
Sponsor: Sen. Corker, Bob [R-TN] (Introduced 05/01/2014)
Committees: Senate - Foreign Relations
Latest Action: 05/01/2014 Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277/cosponsors
Directs the President to: (1) halt for 180-days all current and planned redeployments of combat forces from Europe other than certain redeployments, and (2) develop a plan to correct any deficiencies in the Armed Forces' ability to respond to contingencies in Europe and Eurasia.
Directs the President to: (1) implement a plan for increasing U.S. and NATO support for the armed forces of Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, and other NATO member-states; and (2) direct the U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO to seek consideration for permanently basing NATO forces in such countries.
Directs the President to submit a plan to Congress for accelerating NATO and European missile defense efforts.
Directs the President to increase: (1) U.S. Armed Forces interactions with the armed forces of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia; and (2) U.S and NATO security assistance to such states.
Amends the Natural Gas Act to apply the expedited application and approval process for natural gas exports to World Trade Organization members.
Urges the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), the Trade and Development Agency, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), the World Bank Group, and the European Bank for Reconstruction to promote assistance to Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova in order to exploit natural gas and oil reserves and to develop alternative energy sources.
try:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Transfer-Agreement--25th-Anniversary-Edition/d...
written by a fine jewish man looking above all for truth. once you've gotten that and asked youself 'how could this be possible?"
check out:
http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/09129864...
for a broader perspective
Say I live in Michigan and I fire a rocket from Detroit to Windsor Canada and kill a person, does that give Canada the right to wipe out and destroy the entire city of Detroit. To use disproportionate force / power is a war crime. The rockets the “terrorist” send are a joke and I believe they have only killed less than 30 people in the last decade but you’ll never catch that tidbit of information on MSM.
Now take the total story and change only one thing – insert the word Russia where ever the word Israel is located and read the story back to yourself.
176 - Number of children killed by US drones
28 – Number of people killed by Hamas rockets
Detroit has already been destroyed but that was done by globalists and their deindustrialization plan on amerika
Detroit was destroyed by the people who were left once the Whites were driven out. There. Fixed it.
You are both right. Soon you can substitute America for Detroit in your observations. My state, AZ, is being invaded from the southern and western boarders, now a "purple" state soon to turn blue. The cancer spreads slowly but surely.
disproportionate force is not only a "war crime," it's an every day crime too! If I spit on you, you can't shoot me. The lion's share of "domestc violence" cases have one form of this or another, they argue, one loses their temper and slaps, spits, pokes or pukes , then they other one goes apeshit.
Bring on the Jew Hater down arrowers who are too cowardly to refute the facts in my post!
Pulling your same old line huh RABBIrex? Now it's thousands and not hundreds? Apparently the only fact you have are the ones you state without evidence. Somehow claiming them to be facts merely because you state them?
We're not too cowardly to refute the 'facts' of your post. We're just a bit jaded from having down it so often elsewhere.
To recap - as being a zionist is not a defining characteristic of being Jewish, it is not anti-Jewish to be anti-Israel.
Hamas is fighting an illegal occupation. So it is entitled to fire rockets at Israel... a country founded on terrorism, racism, and bizarre ethno-religious myths that have been pounded into the consciousness of Westerners (and Jews) for well over a hundred years to the point that a huge number of people believe the most absurd assertions currently circulating around the body politic: that a bunch of people calling themselves 'Jews' are somehow entitled to steal land a few of their alleged ancestors left 1400 years ago.
There ya go. Short and sweet. Now fuck off, Hasbara.
Bingo.
"Hamas is fighting an illegal occupation so it is entitled to fire rockets. "that a bunch of people calling themselves 'Jews' are somehow entitled to steal land a few of their alleged ancestors left 1400 years ago."
you are obviously an anti-semite, because you're calling for the end of the entire state of israel on the grounds that the people living there are jewish. the arabs did not possess the land of israel after the turks left, or after the british left, and they have not possessed this land in any modern form for over 500 years since the ottomans conquered jerusalem in 1516. and back then-----tel aviv did not even exist at all. in fact tel aviv and modern israel is an outgrowth of major population growth and industrialization that happened exclusively in the 20th century . the land was most dessert and valuable primarly as a trade route from north africa, and east coast africa to europe and to asia. why not give it back to the turks. because 500 years ago , 1400 years ago, what difference does that make? you are simply cheering against jews owning israel because you like the underdogs and don't respect that the jews of israel worked hard to create a diamond of a small nation in the middle of the dessert. and since when is israel proper from the u.n. resolution and borders established through 1948 wars 'illegal" . the propoganda brainwashing of dead children on television is thankfully not going to change u.s. economic or trade policy with israel because hippy fucktards like you are simply impressionable useful idiot israel haters who think israel and the jews control the world and so you would like to see israel totally destroyed .
please----educate me as to how you believe isreal should NOT be totally destroyed. because that is what your comment states in plain language. and then educate me about how you believe it's not anti-muslim to claim to want to destroy ALL of the nations that host muslim people in the middle east and to kill the muslim citizens entirely and eliminate their governments and push them all out of the middle east----becuase that is what would happen if you succesfully eliminated israel.
big jim you've commented on every israel article on zh. with rank comments calling for the destruction of israel. i would not say 'fuck you' because people like you have no power and will never. hippy morons thankfully don't have a say in the u.s. government. next i will be hearing from you about how you believe that the u.s. should be an isolationist nation that supports free trade but not with israel. take your war on israel and shove it up your ass.
LOL. the British just "left"? If it wasn't for he British and Baron Rothschild, there would be no Israel. The first Kibbutzim would have failed in 1880. Rothschild bailed them out and had them set up a winery. The second wave of immigrants were mostly pure anarcho-communists which were very similar to the hippie communes of the 1960s, in the US. They actually paid for the land they "occupied". The third wave, was the direct result of the British deciding to set up a "National Home" for the Jews to solve "The Jewish Problem" with the Balfour Declaration, and occurred at the end of WWI, when the British Empire assumed control of the land.
But hey. Who am I? I'm just an anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi fascist nationalst that wants to see all of the Jews of the world killed.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html
Hasbara quality control is suffering. This fucking idiot evidently has never learned that Tel Aviv grew out of a very old city--for centuries an Arab city--called Jaffa.
Listen closely, you may have a lot of friends in the media but there is no way to spin the mass murder of little children. You people have forgotten the fable of "The boy who cried wolf", you've hurled antisemite and Nazi at so many people who didn't derserve it, they have become meaningless terms. Now fuck off you rat and scuttle back to your Hasbara hole.
We need a fucking Godwin's law for jews.
Number of posts before some idiot starts crying "anti-semitism".
Eat a dick you stupid cunt. If you idiots weren't so fucking annoying with crying "waaaaaah, anti-semite!" any time someone tries to talk about Israel, maybe less people would shit on you?
Only people more annoying than you are those idiots from Al-Qaeda-Jr yelling "Allahu Akbar" every 5 seconds in every video they make.
hasbara's law, anyone?
you are obviously an anti-semite, because you're calling for the end of the entire state of israel on the grounds that the people living there are jewish.
Ohhh, anti-semite! Anti-semite!
Wrong. My objections to Israel have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Israeli Zionists are (nominally, at least) Jewish. If the situation was reversed, and Israel was an island of Muslims amidst a sea of Jews, my objections would be identical, and based on property rights. So I'm afraid the 'anti-semite' slur just won't wash. And, as I stated above, as being a zionist is not a defining characteristic of being Jewish, then being anti-zionist is not anti-Jewish... or 'anti-semite', as you slippery fucks like to call it. If Zionists had bought the land from the Arabs to set up their silly little ''Jews'-Only' project (I mean, rather than kill, connive, and terrorise their way into occupying most of it) I'd have no objection whatsoever to the existence of a Jewish state. Though - funny, isn't it? - I notice that the Western politicians who most vociferously claim Israel has the right to be a racist, apartheid 'Jewish' state are the ones who also vociferously deny the right of Western nations to exercise similarly racist immigratioon policies to maintain their own ethnic and cultural status quo. Hmmmm.
the arabs did not possess the land of israel after the turks left, or after the british left, and they have not possessed this land in any modern form for over 500 years since the ottomans conquered jerusalem in 1516...
You are conflating land possession with self-rule. Did the Arabs have self-rule? No, they had a succession of imperial rulers. So what? They were still the owners of the land, having tended it, lived on it, and occupied it for scores of generations.
...and back then-----tel aviv did not even exist at all. in fact tel aviv and modern israel is an outgrowth of major population growth and industrialization that happened exclusively in the 20th century . the land was most dessert and valuable primarly as a trade route from north africa, and east coast africa to europe and to asia. why not give it back to the turks. because 500 years ago , 1400 years ago, what difference does that make?
See above.
and since when is israel proper from the u.n. resolution and borders established through 1948 wars 'illegal" .
I'm sorry? Exactly how did a bunch of foreigners grant another bunch of foreigners title to the indigenous Arabs' land? The 'legality' of the creation of Israel is irrelevant, for two reasons; first, their buddies wrote whatever fucking laws they liked; and, second, the creation of Israel gave the 'Jews' a state, it didn't confer ownership of private property within that state over to them.
you are simply cheering against jews owning israel because you like the underdogs and don't respect that the jews of israel worked hard to create a diamond of a small nation in the middle of the dessert.
If I steal your car, and give it a nice cut-n-wax, and put some nice new wheels and tyres on it, is it no longer your property because I made it nicer?
the propoganda brainwashing of dead children on television is thankfully not going to change u.s. economic or trade policy with israel because hippy fucktards like you are simply impressionable useful idiot israel haters who think israel and the jews control the world and so you would like to see israel totally destroyed .
We shall see. Winston Churchill (the old fascist) once commented that the Americans would always do what was right eventually, having exhausted all the other possibilities first. It's perfectly possible the average US voter will wake up to the fact 'his' country has become Israel's bitch, and take exception to any (at present, all) 'representative' that puts Israel's interests above his. BTW - I like how you decry anyone who thinks Zionists 'rule the world' and then essentially admit they have captured US foreign policy... in the sme sentence. That's quite special.
please----educate me as to how you believe isreal should NOT be totally destroyed. because that is what your comment states in plain language. and then educate me about how you believe it's not anti-muslim to claim to want to destroy ALL of the nations that host muslim people in the middle east and to kill the muslim citizens entirely and eliminate their governments and push them all out of the middle east----becuase that is what would happen if you succesfully eliminated israel.
And here we get into another conflation, typified by the question 'Do you think Israel has the right to exist? If so then X, Y, Z (all of which entail killing any Palestinian who resists the Zionist's theft of their property)'. Israelis have the same right to exist as anyone else. Just not on someone else's property. And they are no more entitled to predate on anyone, than anyone else is. So, yes, if Israel and its US backers refuse to compensate the Palestinians for the theft of their property, then I would like to see Israel - peacefully - dismantled as a racist, apartheid state, and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank given the same rights as Jewish Israelis. The white South Africans managed it, and they were dealing with far greater numbers of even more (culturally) alien people. Why can't you?
Of course, some Israelis, being brainwashed racist pigs, will object to having to share their country with its rightful owners, and will no doubt emigrate. Too bad, good riddance.
Given the new prevalence of Muslims I would expect Israel's modernity to decline and the whole place to gradually come to resemble its shambolic neighbours. But seeing as Islam was streets ahead of Christianity (and Judaism, for that matter) during the dark ages, perhaps it will flower once the West stops meddling there. In any case, Zionists should admit that the means used to conduct their experiment were profoundly immoral -wicked is a better word - and maybe try to build a Jewish State somewhere where they don't have to steal and slaughter their way to getting what they want.
next i will be hearing from you about how you believe that the u.s. should be an isolationist nation that supports free trade but not with israel.
No, I believe the US should be a non-interventionist country, as the Founders originally advocated. As you're plainly a bit stupid let me explain the difference: Switzerland is non-interventionist; North Korea is isolationist. See the difference?
take your war on israel and shove it up your ass.
I'm the least of your problems, Hasbara. I bear Jews no ill will at all and would like to see every Israeli living a long, happy, and useful life... just not on someone else's land.
There are, however, 1.2 billion Muslims who are just as tribocentric as you bunch and they are getting more and more enraged by your atrocities. They're the ones you should be worried about, because if you carry on the way you are, you will reap the whirlwind.
So there you go! All your talking points debunked.
Now fuck off, Hasbara.
Had to log in just to upvote you on that excellent repost. You did a much better job of debunking his shitty argument than I could. Totally owned that whiney fucker you did. Kudos.
that is long enough to be an article by itself. Well said. Its telling that he won't come and refute anything you said, as its been 9 hours since you posted it, but im guessing he is your only downvote. What a coward. Although thats hardly surprising as he is defending those who routinely kill innocent women and children. The mark of an honest, legit contributor to these threads is when someone makes a statement based on facts, and is ready to defend them. I always check back and try to respond to anyone who disagrees with me. Obviously it isnt always possible to repond to each and everyone, and after the thread is a day or two old, i stop paying attention to it, but if you arent willing and able to do that, defend your position, you should post shit like that jackass did
Yes, once you start drilling into their propaganda they either vanish or start calling you names.
Like most virulent racists, Zionists rely on irrationality and hate to maintain their worldview and sense of superiority. Once you start pointing out the gaping holes in their 'reasoning' they feel very threatened. Imagine! Right from birth you've been told you're one of The Chosen Ones, a member of the master race, one of God's own favorites. Everyone else is just cattle to be used or serfs to be harnessed. If you've maintained this belief for long enough your whole sense of worth must become predicated on it.
The bizarre sense of entitlement, victimhood, and malice that we've been witnessing here by the Hasbara is extraordinary. They really have allowed themselves to become dreadful human beings.
The Isrealies are paying jewish college kids to post the zionist defense propaganda all over the internet. My guess is he lives in his parents basement in Queens typing away for a Jew check paid for by US subsidies. The whole thing is sick.
Thank you for taking the time to write that. Couldn't agree more.
And take RevRex with you.
We'll said big Jim.
Agreed. BTW, what are these tyres you speak of?