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Asset Forfeiture – How To Steal Americans' Hard Earned Cash With Zero Repercussions

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Almost exactly one year ago today, I published a post which went on to become extremely popular titled: Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas. If you failed to read it the first time around, I suggest you take look as it provides a good outline of just what is at stake when it comes to this destructive and abusive practice increasingly utilized by police departments across these United States with zero repercussions for the offending officers. In last years article I noted that:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion.


This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.


One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

While this epidemic of law enforcement theft is problematic throughout the country (see these egregious examples from Tennessee and Michigan), it appears Texas has a particularly keen love affair with the practice. Not only did last year’s story take place in Texas, today’s highlighted episode also takes place in the Lone Star State. This time in a town of 150 people called Estelline, which earns more than 89% of its gross revenues from traffic fines and forfeitures. In other words, from theft. 

Here’s a little background on this particular story. From the Armarillo Globe News:

The city of Estelline is reviewing its police procedures after Hall County authorities reached a $77,500 legal settlement with an Azle woman who alleged officers illegally seized more than $29,000 from her pickup and kept $1,400 of her cash.


Fry, who was parked just past a speed limit sign in the tiny Hall County town, stopped Dutton that November evening for traveling 61 mph in a 50-mph traffic zone. Fry, the city’s lone police officer, asked to search Dutton’s pickup, but she refused. The officer then contacted Jolly, who drove “Kilo,” a drug sniffing canine, to Estelline about 30 minutes later, according to court records and deposition testimony.

So the cops set up a speed trap and then use it as an excuse to illegally confiscate citizens’ property. Kill two revenue birds with one stone.

Fry told Jolly he thought he smelled raw marijuana in the pickup and that he thought Dutton was acting nervously. The drug dog “hit” on the vehicle and the officers found more than $29,000 inside Dutton’s purse, still bundled in bank currency wrapping. Dutton told officers she didn’t do drugs and denied having any marijuana in her truck. She told officers the cash came from a recent property sale, and no drugs were found during the search.


During the stop, the Memphis police chief reportedly contacted Dutton’s two sisters, who confirmed her account that the money was received from a recent real estate transaction. Jolly, according to court records, then called an experienced local criminal investigator, who advised that officers did not have enough evidence to justify Dutton’s arrest. After consulting with Jolly, Fry arrested Dutton, who was held overnight and bonded out the next day.


“The city of Memphis claims they destroyed their copy of that recorded interrogation. The city of Estelline says they didn’t make any such video or audio recording of Dutton’s roadside interrogations; only Memphis did,” court records show.


In a deposition, Estelline City Manager Richard Ferguson said the city, which has about 150 residents, had no written drug dog policy, no written arrest policy and no established forfeiture policy. The city also maintained no written records of past searches or seizures, yet traffic fines and forfeitures made up more than 89 percent of its gross revenues in fiscal year 2012.


“We vigorously defended the lawsuit and believe that both Chief Jolly and former Officer Fry as well as both of the cities did nothing to violate Ms. Dutton’s constitutional rights, but recognizing the uncertainties of continuing with litigation, all the parties agreed that a settlement was in their best interest,” Reno said. “The city of Estelline City Council is reviewing their current policies and procedures and exploring whether to adopt a new policy and procedure manual with respect to the operation of the police department.”

“I feel that I was roped, corralled and branded and put out to pasture as a felon,” she said.

There is so much wrong here I almost don’t know where to begin. This one case highlights so many of the destructive practices happening in the U.S. today, it is as if this tiny Texas town serves as a microcosm for so much that is wrong with America. Let’s start with the drug dog.

Americans are increasingly becoming familiar with their Constitutional rights, particularly the 4th Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. Cops don’t like this one bit. Whereas in the recent past most Americans might simply allow a law enforcement officer to search his or her car upon request, many more citizens are likely refusing such intrusions. This is where drug dogs come in to provide “probable cause.” The problem here is that many drug dogs are signaling a “drug  hit” when there are no drugs present. This provides a convenient excuse for any officer to search any car at any time.

A great example of this practice was demonstrated in the July 4th video of a police stop in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which has over 5 million views on YouTube. Once it became clear to the officer that the citizen who was pulled over knew his rights, the cop brought out a police dog that signaled drugs as an excuse to search the vehicle. No drugs were found. So either something is wrong with the dog, or the whole practice is a bullshit excuse for fascism. You know where I stand.

If you think that example is just a one-off, think again. One of the most horrific instances of non-leathal police abuse last year was the story of David Eckert, the New Mexico man for whom a routine traffic stop turned into a nightmare of torture, including multiple involuntary anal probes. The police dog that “sniffed drugs” and kicked off the entire episode wasn’t even certified to sniff for drugs in the state of New Mexico at the time. His certification expired two years earlier, but that didn’t stop local police from using it to harass and torture state residents.

The second major problem is officialdoms’ chronic “destruction of evidence” once it gets caught behaving criminally. Nothing epitomizes this more than the ridiculous destruction of hard drives pertaining to the ongoing IRS scandal. In a similar fashion, the city of Memphis in the above story “claims they destroyed their copy of that recorded interrogation.” How convenient. I’m sure the “dog ate my homework” excuse doesn’t work too well for the plebs when the IRS comes after you. Once again, the “elite” and their henchmen (like cops) can get away with anything, while the citizenry is increasingly “guilty until proven innocent.” Even when they are proven innocent, the guilty parties in officialdom, Wall Street, or corporate America are never, ever held to account with prison sentences, which would serve as the only real deterrent to serious white-collar crimes.

This brings us to the third point. Settlements. Settlements are what people in power are increasingly subject to once their criminality has been exposed. The absolute worst case scenario is a settlement, which does nothing to deter bad behavior. In fact, as many others have also noted, it actually encourages it. A Wall Street employee at a TBTF firm who knows the worst thing that will happen if he gets caught is his employer will pay a fine, will be incentivized to commit as much fraud as possible. The rewards are a lifestyle worthy of a Medieval king, while the punishment is a slap on the corporate wrist. They will take that trade any day. Unsurprisingly, when it became clear the cops in the above case would lose at trial, they merely “settled.”

Now here’s the worst part about these “settlements.” As you might expect, nothing changes systemically. The bad practices continue undeterred. For example, despite the fact that the city of Estillene has “no written drug dog policy, no written arrest policy and no established forfeiture policy,” the most they have committed to is: “Estelline City Council is reviewing their current policies and procedures and exploring whether to adopt a new policy and procedure manual with respect to the operation of the police department.” So in the face of a gross violation of a resident’s constitutional rights, the local police department’s response is basically “we’ll think about it.”

Finally, there is just the gross incompetence. Although the police department admittedly has no written drug dog, arrest or forfeiture policy, there is a little something called the Constitution of the United States of America, a document with which the police department appears entirely unfamiliar. What about the fact that the police corroborated her story with her sisters at the stop, and were even told by a local criminal investigator that they did not have cause to arrest her, yet they still went ahead and held her overnight.

Most importantly, what if she didn’t have the wherewithal to know her rights in the first place? What if she didn’t fight back? What if she didn’t initiate a lawsuit?

Would we even know? Do we even care?

Full article here.


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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:14 | 5016004 Ignatius
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Something about "due process", if I recall.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:21 | 5016035 macholatte
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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:29 | 5016059 Manthong
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“How To Steal Americans' Hard Earned Cash”

In my view, property tax does the job quite efficiently, at least what is left over after income tax.

The un-propertied, no income Galtesque lifestyle is looking and getting more attractive with each passing day.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:30 | 5016061 CH1
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Cops are liars, thieves and bullies.

The "good ones" get out.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:41 | 5016106 Four chan
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i thought this was going to be about the fed diluting our savings by half over the last 5 years.


the system steals silently that which we traded our lives for, that is the evil they do.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:24 | 5016257 Drunk In Church
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The American police are out of control.  Thank God for smart phones and youtube.  Bitchez.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:32 | 5016292 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, this post is making me all hot and bothered. What a fantastic way to collect taxes! I think I just jizzed my pants!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:28 | 5016436 DoChenRollingBearing
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You are a prized gem here at ZH, Liberal.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:09 | 5016858 negative rates
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More cops have been killed this year to date than any other year, you can start there and say "this won't end well".

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:43 | 5017066 pods
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There is so much wrong with this.  30 minutes for a "drug dog" to get there?  Fuck that.  Am I being charged?  No?  Well smell you later bacon.  Of course if you stand up for yourself that in and of itself is reason for them to dispose of you with extreme prejudice. 

Jackboots all the way.  They do what they want, and when they lose a case, guess where the $$ comes from?  Insurance that is paid by putting a gun to everyone else's head.

But WTSHTF, watch how fast those uniforms come flying off.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:45 | 5017080 Bangin7GramRocks
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"Boy, don't make me get my tank, rocket launcher and attack helicopter! Now empty your pockets, hand over that pretty gold watch and be on your way."

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:04 | 5017146 all-priced-in
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"But WTSHTF, watch how fast those uniforms come flying off."



Just like the Iraqi army



Tue, 07/29/2014 - 16:58 | 5019539 chumbawamba
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Great, you can add retaliation to the already committed list of offenses of false arrest, false imprisonment, assault, battery, and if they take you to jail, kidnapping.  And that's just for starters.  There's also federal and state conspiracy charges.  And in California, we have this real convenient hate crimes legislation.  Convenient if you've been labeled one of these mythical "Sovereign Citizens" that are a danger to every living being on the planet, being that they are able apparently to read and understand constitutional law.

What the government has conveniently done is identified all these "Sovereign Citizens" as a group, and since they seem to think these "Sovereign Citizens" are in facts citizens of some nation, being that they're "citizens", then so be it: the "Sovereign Citizens" are citizens of some nation.  Fine.  California Penal Code §422.6 makes it a hate crime to injure, intimidate, or interfere with a person under force or threat of force based on their nationality, mother fuckers.

Welcome to hell.  You paved your own way to it, bitches.

Oh yes, this is for real.  I'm seeing the District Attorney about it this week.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 20:15 | 5025182 armageddon addahere
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More cops are asking for it. More cops deserve it than any other year.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:45 | 5016471 SF beatnik
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Time was when this sort of shakedown happened only in Mexico, where it is routine. 

As we become more third world, corruption will rise.

Yeah, what we need is more Mexicanization. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:54 | 5016490 PT
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"If you don't fine the people then we won't have any money and we won't have any resources and YOU won't have a joooooob!!!"

Things fall over when the cops can no longer afford to look after their families.  An earlier sign that things are starting to fall over is when police earn much more than the average yob in the community that supports them.

But govt doesn't realise this because all the mathematicians are unemployed.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 04:44 | 5016698 Georgia_Boy
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I'll still refuse the search. I don't have anything illegal or a lot of cash or gold (bitchez) in the car, so might as well make them go through as much work as possible before finding out they did it for nothing.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:35 | 5017045 swmnguy
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You might not have anything in the car.  That doesn't mean they won't "find" something, however.  Better to drive a shitty car, slowly.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:20 | 5016522 michaelbrownira
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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:34 | 5016538 COSMOS
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If you drop out of the loop why not get a boat and sail around the Pacific or Caribean, wind is free, can even make money by taking on people for charter.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:01 | 5017720 TheReplacement
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LOL.  You should get Krugman in on this.  Sneezesheilds for everyone.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:05 | 5016519 gatorboat
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"The American police are out of control."

Actually it's fairly normal behavior for a communist nation which America is turning into.

You people have got to stop living in the past. This isn't America anymore.  It's Amerika.  The govt is turning communist amazingly fast now. 

But it's the new communism with suits and ties rather than red uniforms.  We have our super wealthy communist elite just like any other communist country.  We have our ruling "party secretary" just like any other communist country.  We just call it "president".

And it's the new high tech communism.  They don't need govt moles watching and listening to eveybody, NSA does that now with computers.

This govt is implementing every facet of communism.  All new laws are communist right down the line.  No individual rights.  All property is subject to govt taxation and confiscation.  All media is govt propaganda or they're shut down.

Where do we see it the most?  At the police level, where govt interacts with people the most.

Go ask any cop what they think about us.  They think we're dog shit basically.  Their elitist attitude is so sickening it'll turn your stomach.

It's the identical same attitude police in a communist country have, and every single cop in America has it.  They're trained into it.  It's the universal cop mentality in America now.

Go up to the federal level and it's even worse.  Those people really are nazis.  They really would love to gun you down.  But they'll settle for confiscating everything you have.

You people need to get up to date here.   This is a communist country now.  Accept it.  Get used to it.  What other choice do you have?

You can live in a communist country.  Millions of people do.  Hundreds of millions.  Just behave, watch what you say, pay those taxes, be ready for your property to be confiscated on some flimsy charge, and you'll do ok.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:09 | 5017154 daemon
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" You people have got to stop living in the past. This isn't America anymore. "

Have you ever watched westerns, particularly those where you can see a rich land owner, not only owning most of the land, but also the sheriff and a lot of other things and people ?

I know those westerns are, for the large majority of them fictions, but, I wonder to what point they are inspired by true stories ?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:02 | 5017725 TheReplacement
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Read up on Billy the Kid and that episode - it was just like you describe.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:21 | 5017782 daemon
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" Read up on Billy the Kid and that episode - it was just like you describe. "

Thanks a lot for the info. I will read.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:25 | 5016428 PT
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Four chan: Yeah, I thought it was going to be about banks lending money to idiots who pay too much for things.

"Oh, that guy had more money than me and bid the price higher.  I guess I just have to work harder."

(Then thing gets repossessed because idiot couldn't afford the repayments, thing gets held off market / destroyed / sold to bigger idiot at higher price, and bank gets bailed out.)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:31 | 5017024 TrumpXVI
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There are good cops, I have known some, but more and more, I'm scratchin' my head just trying to figure out exactly what the cops actually do besides write up reports of crimes.

We need fewer, not more cops, and more civic minded citizens to help with local community order.  We need no "militarized" cops.  People need to take back their communities and take more responsibility for keeping their homes and communities secure without "professional help".

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:57 | 5016169 20834A
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"Do process" her.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:17 | 5016013 Kirk2NCC1701
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Foreshadowing of things to come.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:19 | 5016021 Cognitive Dissonance
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When told that 90% of your 'money' will disappear when the banks fail, the population will cheer when a solution is 'found' that only takes 50%.

Like standup comedy it's all in the delivery folks.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:38 | 5016087 tickhound
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My plan finds an additional 10% on top of the 50% my opponent promises... for those earning less than $250k. Folks, that's 10% more money, money that was yours in the first place, money that never would've been lost if it wasn't for a few fat cat bankers... Money that my plan will SAVE you.

See, unlike my opponent, I'm just like you. I want my money back too.

What do we want? Our 10%!! When do we want it? Now!!!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:04 | 5017733 TheReplacement
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I think that would be the best thing in truth.  That would wake some more people up.  Not all, but some.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:27 | 5016050 Flounder
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Proud of her, she stood up and won.


"Officer Fry's lawyers decided to settle the case last week for $77,500."

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:49 | 5016144 flacon
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Who exactly paid the $77K - the cop or the "city"? In the end the money comes from "the community" no matter which way it's sliced. I say they should execute cops who pull shit like what he did. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:59 | 5016176 Cognitive Dissonance
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I suspect the 'city' paid the settlement. Besides the cop was just following orders...even if he was a bit too enthusiastic and diligent in his execution.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:56 | 5016365 laomei
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The cop should be fired and his personal assets seized and auctioned off to the general public to pay the fines.  Anything leftover can go towards "auction fees", you know, just like how they do it with citizens.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:02 | 5016780 what's that smell
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the cop should be fired, jailed, impoverished, and forced to do time at a glory hole to meet his child support payments.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:50 | 5017091 Bangin7GramRocks
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Open up and say ahhh, here comes another smelly hard cock.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:27 | 5016529 A Nanny Moose
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Nazi's were also "just following orders" :P

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 04:00 | 5016651 jez
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They'll have to stop a lot more drivers to make up that kind of loss.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:00 | 5016962 Grinder74
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Their insurance company.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:42 | 5017604 WeeWilly
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Typically, local jurisdictions have insurance that will pay civil judgements against them after a deductible. Places like this one appear to be flaunt the purpose of the law to the extreme. Hopefully, insurance companies will wise up and deny their coverage which really puts the town on notice.

A couple of points in the article I thought were misleading. We know the theory of the asset forfeture statutes, right? It is designed to deny law breakers of the benefits of money obtained illegally. You know the old story, drug dealers who have houses and Cadillacs but no visible means of support. Not saying I agree with the theory but there it is. The main problem I see with asset forfeiture is in the application by departments. It is true, some agencies see it as a money making deal and abuse the system. However, to say it is designed to take "hard-earned" money from people is a misstatement. It is designed to take money raised from criminal activity.

The author says it impacts poor people. Too funny. Poor people have no assets to seize. Duh.

These actions can not be taken based on "suspicion". Forfeitures are based on probable cause. The fact the author misses such an important distinction makes me wonder about his knowledge and understanding of the practice.

Show both sides of the argument, OK? Like most things, there are two points of view and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Blast away boys! lol

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 20:20 | 5025208 armageddon addahere
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The real kingpins know better than to have anything in their names and they work through front men, and they pay off the cops and politicians as necessary. Consequently, they are immune to such annoyances. It's only the little people who get victimized.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:28 | 5016057 SoDamnMad
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I moved overseas and am glad I did. Our police are fair , courteous and generally effective.  I read weekly of the seizures, beatings, manslaughter and brutality of "American peace officers"(sarc) on the public and see why they are so well armed with the military hardware returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. America, be afraid. Be very afraid for they are your enemy. They are the terrorist wing of the government.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:35 | 5016079 syntaxterror
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Give it up. Please tell where we can find fair government.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:38 | 5016541 All Risk No Reward
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It'll be bankrupt soon enough and the extrapolated goody train will hit the wall.

Applied basic math is not a pleb forte...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:40 | 5016104 Proofreder
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Where, overseas, did you move   How long to become acclimated  Can you make it work on $36k/year annuity income ?

Time to sell the house and get a move on, little doggie ???

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:33 | 5016296 potato
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In a Katrina situation, even all the preppers are fvcked. Imagine trying to defend against armed hooligans looting in armored vehicles...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:18 | 5016413 laomei
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Pretty much gonna echo this sentiment.  It ain't a perfect paradise here, but compared to the US... 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:53 | 5016483 PrecipiceWatching
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Smug, baseless ignorance.

America has fallen far,  but the VAST majority of it is still far better than nearly anywhere else on Earth.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:26 | 5016528 laomei
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haha, no, it's really not.  over here, yes, there's corruption.  however in the US, they take literally the same exact things which are flat out corruption over here and legalize it.  americans are useless pathetic sheep scared to death of their government and unwilling to do anything ever, and the government knows it.  over here, government is still scared shitless by the people.  the us media-bubble is just propaganda 24/7/365 and once you escape from it and can look down on it, you realize very quickly how fucked and retarded the US really is.  Don't get me wrong, I love the US... the land anyways.  The people on the other hand... they need to be purged from existance asap.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:37 | 5016540 PrecipiceWatching
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ALL 300 million of them?

Brilliant, cogent analysis.

Axe to grind, much?


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:05 | 5016563 laomei
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let their god sort them out

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:53 | 5016488 PrecipiceWatching
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We're glad you're gone too.

Now go lecture your locals.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:07 | 5017749 TheReplacement
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Where ever you are you probably have no means of protecting yourself.  Things are great today.  What if that changes tomorrow?  Here in America things are not good but we do have the means of protecting ourselves.  Tomorrow we may change things ourselves.

Now what were you saying again?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:30 | 5016060 Fuku Ben
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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:35 | 5016075 syntaxterror
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Sheep will be sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaa.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:41 | 5016103 MASTER OF UNIVERSE

The California Kid movie is an American car cult classic where the smalltown American sheriff does the same thing described in the above article to anyone that drives through his town. Martin Sheen is the actor that drives 'The California Kid' in the movie of the same name.

If you have not watched it before you will be mildly amused if you watch it now. It's definately a classic car cult movie from the 70s.

I'll give it one thumb up.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:56 | 5016493 sylviasays
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"The California Kid movie is an American car cult classic where the smalltown American sheriff does the same thing described in the above article to anyone that drives through his town. Martin Sheen is the actor that drives 'The California Kid' in the movie of the same name."

That movie reflects a different time in California which is now Mexifornia. If the movie were made now, it would be called "Niño de California" and the actors would be speaking Spanish. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:44 | 5016105 booboo
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Sooner or later they will neeed more then just a computer to steal your shit which will require boots on your door steps.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country (U.S.A), he won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his (U.S.S.A.)." (But then again) "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mens stupidity"
George Patton Stay mobile, agile and hostile.
Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:42 | 5016107 butters
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I often wonder if the Yanks will ever awake from their slumber.

If Katrina was any indication they never will, nor do any actually.  I ain't Yank bashing.

When I say law abiding gun owning Americans handing over their firearms to the thugs, I mean policy man, I realized that humanity has always been weak and will volunteer to walk into the box car.

Just like in the Star Trek episode, "A Taste of Armageddon", where the simulated dead calmly walked into the disintegration booth.





Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:00 | 5016175 El Vaquero
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A lot of people in CT refused to register their "assault" rifles.  A fight is brewing here, yet most here don't realize it.  I went down to watch this with my own eyes:!bptjLx


It was pretty intense.  Part of the reason why APD didn't go apeshit at the protests was because they had the potential to turn into something very bad, and there are a lot of people here armed just as well as the cops who normally don't go to shit like that, but had APD gone overboard, they might very well have started coming out of the woodwork.  

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:22 | 5016255 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, Cowboy, it may be coming unglued soon.



Molon Labe

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:48 | 5016474 PT
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I have noticed how police like to keep protesters surrounded so they're all trapped in one area and none can escape, even if they want out.  It may help if a few protesters drop back behind, away from the main crowd - ... oh, shit!  Did I say that aloud?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:12 | 5016510 El Vaquero
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They actually gave the protesters an escape route on that one.  Most of the news casts don't show it, but Johnson Field was behind them, and they could have walked towards it without having to cross police lines.  The 2nd group that got tear gassed had some gang bangers in it, and those fuckers hauled ass right past me when the canisters were popped.   FYI, the state troopers who didn't have gas masks were downwind from that shit when it popped.  APD gassed the state troopers too.


That whole event nearly turned into a full blown riot, and I'm sure the cops were under a lot of pressure to not go full retard.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:48 | 5016476 PrecipiceWatching
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That hugely overblown media circus?

Additionally, the disastrous New Orleans inner city is hardly representaive of the vast majority of America.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:07 | 5016788 messymerry
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Ketrina was an isolated instance.  All the resources of the coutry were focussed there.  If we have a disaster on a national scale, then we will see what a horrifying sham our alleged protectors have perpetrated on us...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:30 | 5016274 Youri Carma
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Now the Americans learn how it feels to live in a genuine police state. Still they do not revolt which is an incentive for the psychopaths to take it a step up.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:47 | 5016341 kchrisc
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,  against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Article 3, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I am witness one.


"Is it time for the guillotines yet?!"

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:25 | 5016429 Penniless Spectator
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Most people don't believe that it is this bad and won't until it happens to them.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:35 | 5016452 robnume
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Welcome to the police state. I was freaking out thinking about that story in New Mexico - that poor guy - when I recently drove from NC to CA. All through New Mexico I thought about that guy and I drove straight through to Flagstaff so I wouldn't have to spend the night there. btw, New Mexico is the only place I have ever seen "Federal Police" vehicles. Hmmm...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 01:40 | 5016459 VWAndy
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They will go feral one way or the other. On orders or on thier own. Oathtakers ran the camps last time too.

 Thats why I think the strike is the best way.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 02:00 | 5016498 VWAndy
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Oathtakers always run the camps.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 04:10 | 5016666 shouldvekilledthem
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Bitcoin users are not affected.



Tue, 07/29/2014 - 05:35 | 5016749 vegan
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What this story really epitomizes: 99% of people who want to be police or politicians are, by nature of their desire to hold such positions, unfit to serve such positions.



Tue, 07/29/2014 - 05:53 | 5016765 messymerry
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This is much bigger than a bunch of local yokels in Texas taking liberties with their power.  It's bigger than Leo the noble law enforcement office and his dog Pooch.  It's even bigger than tha megalomaniac Holder and his ever faithful pooch Leo...

Justice is laughing their asses off.  They are far and away the most corrupt and insidious of the three branches of the State.  We need to look at this as a problem with the "Criminal Industrial Complex" with all it's attendant entities:

Judges = corrupt

Cops = corrupt

Lawyers = corrupt

Wardens = corrupt

Clerks = corrupt

Courthouse janitors = corrupt

The MSM has us all watching the Clown in Chief and the circus over in the Legislative branch while the "Ministry of Love" is dragging us into Rm. 101.  Wake up people,  Nothing Justice does is designed to protect you.  It's all to protect the machine. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:12 | 5016863 AdvancingTime
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A State can make big money off fines and such, it has become a big business. A recent Pew Research Center poll found that for the first time a majority of Americans favor legalizing the use of marijuana. Indiana Governor Mike Pence is not among them. With the rest of the United States moving towards relaxing marijuana laws, Indiana seems to be bravely marching into the past.

 The Hoosier State's penalties for marijuana are getting tougher after Gov. Mike Pence requested, and was granted stricter laws for low-level cannabis offenders. They have gone so far as proposing that felony charges for possession be extended down to cover one-third of an ounce of marijuana, More on how tough Indiana has become in the article below.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:03 | 5016960 messymerry
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Yup, the Criminal Industrial Complex is all about money.  Hell, everything .gov does is about money. 

The machine I describe is the monstrous axis of evil:  Big gov, Big biz, & Big media

The "real" terrorists in the United States are the usurpers of the Constitution!!!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:25 | 5017004 22winmag
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Thank you sir. May I have another?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:44 | 5017194 messymerry
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Do you work for an agency?  If you're part of the "machine", please see my earlier post.  Besides, it has been pretty well determined that lawyers are a net liability to our way of life.  For all the good they do, they do MORE evil!!!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:46 | 5016819 doctor10
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The judiciary has become more responsive to government than to the people.

An elected judiciary, with term limits, might find the time to read and follow the Constitution/Bill of Rights.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:48 | 5016822 Eyeroller
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If the cops EVER find a large amount of cash on you, they AUTOMATICALLY say it's drug money and conviscate it.

You must go to court to get it back and you must 'prove' it was not drug money, and the cops get to keep a % of it. 

If you have an adult child living with you, and IF THEY USE YOUR PHONE to call someone up to buy pot, the cops can declare YOUR HOUSE as a drug den and take it from you.

None of this has happened to me, but I live in Tennessee, and this stuff is going on all the time.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:01 | 5017392 toady
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I saw this on the daily show last week. The money is guilty until proven innocent. If you have your children in the car they're taken by CPS until the money is proven innocent.

The police chief from Texas was the interview. He basically stood mute.

There are thousands of similar stories (not cases, because most people who have their money stolen cannot afford a lawyer) across the country, but Texas is leading the way.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:29 | 5017527 AuEagleNest
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Four out of five bills (FRNs) in circulation will test positive for cocaine.

(Spare me the criticism about Snopes)

Cops know this so, if they find any amount of cash on you, they automatically have probable cause to confiscate it. It's up to you to prove that it's not drug money.You have to spend your time and additional money to get your property back.

That's also why you should never use cash for bail money. Bank checks or postal money order only.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:59 | 5016841 Urban Redneck
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I don't want to copy and paste another giant post from three years ago, but there is a bigger problem than Local, State, and Federal violations of CAFRA and unlawful extensions of CAFRA that might be addressed by CAFRA reform:

Section 2 of CAFRA places the burden of proof on the government and establishes the threshold as a preponderance of the evidence. CAFRA protections are specifically excluded from seizures executed by the IRS under Title 26. Furthermore, the IRS threshold for initiating seizure is probable cause.


Getting back to Bruce’s example, suppose I am John Galt, and Bruce has a beef with me for running through his ZH posts like a bull in a China shop. Bruce calls the IRS; their burden of probable cause for any amount is met by Bruce’s phone call. If Bruce is generous and only tells the IRS that I have $50,000 in undeclared income, then he still stands to personally pocket thousands of dollars of my hard earned money that I don’t actually owe to anyone, and only Bruce is breaking the law, for which he is being richly compensated by me, for his crime against me.


I have seen a significant number of economies collapse, and I work with people who have lived through the examples that I don’t have personal experience with. One common trait of economic collapse is that corruption (both of the police and the State) increases as national prosperity decreases. The IRS wants to hire thousands of new agents, and if you are concerned about the poor and defenseless, this should TERRIFY you.


There simply isn’t the wealth among the wealthy in the US to cover the US government’s operating expenses, so the IRS will be forced to increase the scope of its targets, moving down the income scale in order to seize increasing wealth from Americans, which is why they are seeking to radically increase the number of agents. The IRS civil forfeiture process in nothing more than a legally immune sovereign extortion racket, legally codified by the State, and insulated from the State’s own RICO anti-racketeering laws.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:06 | 5016853 AdvancingTime
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Just over a year ago I stumbled upon a blog on WordPress .com written by Gerry Spence who was born and educated in the small towns of Wyoming where he has practiced law for almost fifty-five years. As a  nationally known figure in the legal system Spence  has spent his lifetime representing and protecting victims of the legal system from what he calls The New Slave Master: big corporations and big government. Below is a disturbing take on society put out there by Gerry Spence and the idea that we have become no more than slaves.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:57 | 5017698 Cthonic
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Here bruce, you seem to have misplaced Gerry's URL:

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:21 | 5016880 Gringo Viejo
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Your first DUI in California will cost at a minimum $10,000. They've built an entire cottage industry around it. A chimp could drive a car with a .08 blood/alcohol level. But it's not about public's about revenue enhancement.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:49 | 5016912 db51
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I have DOD Brand dashcams mounted in 6 vehicles as well as all of my farm tractors and semi tractors  Never leave home without them.  A complete GPS record of your travels right down to the time, speed and recorded video of every second of your journey.   Audio recording as well if you want to turn it on.   hee hee.   Comes in handy when you want to hear what your wife and her girl or boyfriend are saying about you behind your well as record any traffic stop.   Optional rear mounted camera records seperate record of what is going on from the rear.....Of course if you cause an accident, be sure and take cameras down with the handy suction mount and hide under seat.    lmao.   Have an incident, just push a button on the unit and it saves that segment of video and audio on the SD card.....12 hour recording before overwriting files, with exception of ones you locked for saving.   

Can also be used for recording sex videos in the car.   Capture the memories of your youth or other indescretions for your viewing pleasure.  Don't miss a memory.  Great for installing in your teenager's vehicle.   It is now possible to record the moment of conception of your first grandchild.  Fun to share at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Wedding Receptions.  Something the entire family can enjoy.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:55 | 5017357 Mi Naem
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Yup, that's what I thought.  "with yourself"

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:06 | 5016968 Sean7k
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The problem with having stuff is it becomes more onerous to protect it than the pleasure derived from having it. The problem with government is the same. Ditto for the law and banking and money. Even religion. 

The world is a web of Lilliputians, tying us down and enslaving us. We obey, because we fear losing what we "have". We prostitute ourselves for something we have been convinced we need.

First, they teach us to fear foreign places, then other States, soon the next county. At which point, we sit cowering in our homes. 

Is this the life you want to lead and live? Yes, we need food, clothing and shelter, but after that, it is all a matter of choice. For the most part, the chains that bind us are fastened with our own hands. Is life so precious we would become slaves to maintain it? 

This life is part of a journey, only a part. Are you so eager to be miserable? 

Enjoy the love of others, the compassion of community, a good meal of your own food and a walk with your dog. Raise a homebrew or bottle of wine, a distilled whiskey from a copper still. Walk the side of a river and catch a wily bass. Distinguish the antlers from the branches and feast for a month. Lovemaking is (usually) still free, last time I checked and the pleasure is mind-numbing.

I have yet to see the benefit of living in fear. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:16 | 5016982 db51
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Great post.   That is the way I live my life.   Except I keep a Glock 9mm close with an extra clip.   The sex for free is only applicable if you're having it with yourself.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:53 | 5017349 Mi Naem
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"with yourself"

Very sorry that you have not yet met the kind of woman with whom you would give freely.  Some of us have met such a woman, many more have met her and didn't recognise her for all the distracting crap you lauded in the quite "Great post" above. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:27 | 5017011 Pumpkin
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When the people finally wake up and remember that they are the masters and the servants are servants, thing will change. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:37 | 5017051 d edwards
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Looks like they're about one step away from outright bribery-like cops in say, Mexico.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:53 | 5017105 exartizo
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Please include Universal City, Texas in the list of cities that has a "Screw The Citizen At All Costs" mentality.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:06 | 5017150 yellowsub
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They can't rely on their pensions anymore...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:09 | 5017426 AuEagleNest
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For the few ZH'ers that may not have seen this yet,
This is What Happens When You Call the Cops

With the War on Terrorism, War on Drugs, The Patriot Act and the militarization of the police, the citizens have now become the Enemy of the State. The only things standing between us and fascism is the 2nd Amendment and the availability of cell phone video so that we can easily film cops while they do their business on the people. People are starting to find out that police brutality is not just for minorities any more.

There's a reason why you separate military and the police.
One fights the enemy of the state.
The other serves and protects the people.
When the military becomes both,
then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
--Commander Adama, Battle Star Galactica

With the gub'mint giving police military equipment and police departments hiring more and more middle-east-war veterans, the police have now become the military. This shit will not end well.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:19 | 5017485 roadhazard
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Confiscation of property has been the main reason marijuana is illegal.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:46 | 5017631 moneybots
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"Asset Forfeiture – How To Steal Americans' Hard Earned Cash With Zero Repercussions"


What happens when social unrest occurs in the next recession?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:54 | 5017673 painlord-2k
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Bring up "decentralized prediction markets".
After every settlement (or even before, just for sport) people could bet on the lives and limbs and property of officers, chieves, judges, politicians and random dogs& thugs.
If the  thugs are obnoxyous enough with enough people, the bet could become very interesting for people willing and able to shape the outcome of the bets.
I'm pretty sure some intrapreneurs from south of the border will find a way to get a lot of money, in this way. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:07 | 5017748 Cthonic
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Jim Bell certainly opened up a lifelong can of statist whoopass upon himself by publishing Assassination Politics.  Aside from being a pioneer of dead pool prediction markets, he's also been on the vanguard of inverse surveillance.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:09 | 5017759 The Wizard
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Sen. Paul Introduces the FAIR Act

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Sen. Rand Paul yesterday introduced S. 2644, the FAIR (Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration) Act, which would protect the rights of citizens and restore the Fifth Amendment's role in seizing property without due process of law. Under current law, law enforcement agencies may take property suspected of involvement in crime without ever charging, let alone convicting, the property owner. In addition, state agencies routinely use federal asset forfeiture laws; ignoring state regulations to confiscate and receive financial proceeds from forfeited property.
The FAIR Act would change federal law and protect the rights of property owners by requiring that the government prove its case with clear and convincing evidence before forfeiting seized property. State law enforcement agencies will have to abide by state law when forfeiting seized property. Finally, the legislation would remove the profit incentive for forfeiture by redirecting forfeitures assets from the Attorney General's Asset Forfeiture Fund to the Treasury's General Fund.
"The federal government has made it far too easy for government agencies to take and profit from the property of those who have not been convicted of a crime. The FAIR Act will ensure that government agencies no longer profit from taking the property of U.S. citizens without due process, while maintaining the ability of courts to order the surrender of proceeds of crime," Sen. Paul said
Click HERE for the FAIR Act legislation text.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 13:34 | 5018492 VWAndy
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They know what they are doing is wrong. The thing is there is no easy way to stop them. Fight them and they will do whatever it takes to keep things as they are. Not a good choice on our part we lose bigtime so that is a waste of our time and effort. Sit back and hide? They will take thier time and take what they want at thier whim.

 They run the table of force its thier game and they make the rules. They simply change the rules whenever it suits thier needs. We will not win playing thier game.

 A big enough strike takes thier ability to use force off the table. Then without the gun to our heads we could do things that make a change possible. I just dont see any other effective way to deal with the force option they use as thier first tool of choice.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 15:37 | 5019184 Loucleve
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If you dont know your rights, you dont have any.

Know this.  The cops have 30 MINUTES to get that drug dog there.

31 minutes = you leave.

per the Supreme Court.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:04 | 5019978 VWAndy
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You dont even have the right to defend yourself from a cop according to that court. Even if he sticks a gun in your face and pulls the trigger. Up to and including the second the bullet passes thru your brain. You are supposed to take it and then ask a court for redress.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:55 | 5019948 mikemora
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A long way from Mayberry and these clowns are no Andy Griffith.

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