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Russia Slams "Puzzling And Unprecedented" $50 Billion Yukos Award, Challenges "One-Sided" Court Ruling

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The Hague is not Vladimir Putin's favorite place today. Following the "war crime" comments earlier, the arbitration court's decision to rule in favor of Yukos shareholders (and thuis against the allegedly "politically motivated" confiscation of the firm's assets by the Russian government) with a $50 billion settlement (half what was sought) has prompted a quick and angry response from the Russian government. Blasting the "one-sided use of evidence," and re-iterating the massive tax evasion that the leadership were involved in, Russia slams "the puzzling unprecedented amount of damages" awarded, claiming the process is "becoming increasingly politicized."

 

As Bloomberg reports,

The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague found that Russia is liable to pay just under half of the $114 billion sought, GML Ltd., the holding company for Yukos’s main owners, said today.

 

The decision showed the campaign against Yukos was “politically motivated,” GML head Tim Osborne said in London.

And Russia replies...

Today Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issued a final judgment rendered in three interrelated arbitration proceedings initiated by the former majority shareholders of JSC "NK" YUKOS ". Decisions were based on the Energy Charter Treaty.

Conclusions of the Arbitration Court shall enter into a direct conflict with the findings of the two Houses of the European Court of Human Rights. The European Court of Human Rights twice concluded that JSC "NK" YUKOS "committed massive tax evasion that the leadership of" NK "YUKOS" aware of violations that additional charge of almost all taxes JSC "NK" YUKOS "was lawful and lawful that JSC "NK" YUKOS "was not subject to discrimination, and that the actions of Russian authorities were not of a political nature.

In the Russian Federation drew attention to other serious flaws in the decision of the arbitral tribunal. Among them:

- One-sided and one-sided use of research evidence;

 

- Completely unacceptable revision challenging the decisions of courts of the Russian Federation, carried out by the Arbitration Court in such a way as if the arbitral tribunal was more authority to challenge acts of the Russian courts;

 

- Speculative and not confirmed by the Court of Arbitration evidence assumptions about the reasons for the actions of state authorities of the Russian Federation, as well as the use of these assumptions, the Arbitration Court to justify its conclusions that are not supported by the facts;

 

- The denial of the validity of the Arbitration Court accrual of JSC "NK" YUKOS "income tax because the arbitral tribunal rejected the fact many acts of courts of the Russian Federation, including the decisions of the Supreme Arbitration Court, which have been handed down for many years before the emergence of the dispute;

 

- Failure of the Arbitration Court properly accommodate them recognized by the fact that several shell trading companies JSC "NK" YUKOS "used a similar scheme of tax evasion and later were reorganized several times and re-registered in places thousands of miles distant from their original location , in an attempt to avoid detection of violations and to prosecute the Russian authorities;

 

- The inability of the Arbitration Court to come to the obvious conclusion that the management of JSC "NK" YUKOS "aware of the permitted violations of tax legislation and acknowledged that used by trading companies JSC" NK "YUKOS" scheme of tax evasion, if disclosed, led to be "essential" for the financial consequences of the JSC "NK" YUKOS "; guide JSC "NK" YUKOS "also understood that performs actions on tax evasion and that his income trading companies with which taxes have not been paid will be treated as income of the JSC" NK "YUKOS";

 

- The denial of the validity of the Arbitration Court accrual of JSC "NK" YUKOS "value added tax on the basis of representations of the Arbitration Court on how to be Russian tax legislation and not on the basis of actual requirements of the tax legislation of the Russian Federation to the fact that the presence of such claims is recognized by the arbitral tribunal;

 

- Failure of the Arbitration Court to pass certain disputes to the competent bodies of the United Kingdom, Cyprus and the Russian Federation, despite the requirement in the Energy Charter Treaty, the transfer for consideration of such issue of whether the tax is an expropriation;

 

- Senseless and extremely speculative attempt to give a hypothetical valuation JSC "NK" YUKOS "after almost ten years after the alleged expropriation.

Of fundamental importance is the fact that the arbitral tribunal does not have jurisdiction to consider questions put before him. The Russian Federation has not ratified the Energy Charter Treaty. In accordance with paragraph 1 of Article 45 of the Treaty the Russian Federation has not applied any provision of the Agreement is temporarily in the extent to which the provisional application of the provisions of the Constitution, the laws and regulations of the Russian Federation.

In addition, the Russian Federation in any of its more than fifty international agreements on the protection of investments did not consent to arbitration of disputes with investors prior to the ratification of an international agreement, as it would contradict the Russian law.

Finally, the puzzling unprecedented amount of damages awarded by the arbitral award that is brought on the basis of the Russian Federation unratified international treaty and that, moreover, come into direct conflict with the earlier decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.

All these facts confirm that the arbitral tribunal was unable to come to the dispute with the prudence that is required of judges in such situations. Instead of objective, impartial consideration of the case the Arbitral Tribunal conquered their actions tactical reasons and eventually adopted politically biased decisions.

Such an approach undermines the authority of the Court of Arbitration and the Energy Charter Treaty, the mechanism for which is becoming increasingly politicized, as in this case, becomes the object of abuse by domestic investors, tax evaders.

For this reason, and also because of the presence in the arbitral award of significant flaws, the Russian Federation will challenge the arbitral award in the courts of the Netherlands and expects to achieve a fair outcome there.

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In conclusion, the Russian Federation will challenge the arbitration award in the Dutch courts and expects to achieve a fair outcome there; and we suspect the Yukos shareholders should not hold their breath as last time we checked Putin is not exactly "compliant" with arbitrary western propaganda decisions.

 

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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:51 | 5012917 Soul Glow
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The West is using every trick from economic sabatage to distorting legal ramifications to impose sanctions on Russia.  They will do everything but fire a missle.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:53 | 5012929 Deathrips
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No Free Markets, No free Courts.

 

RIPS

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:03 | 5012971 fx
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So, Dutch courts will now handle the matter. And there were mainly Dutch people aboard the MH 17 flight that crashed in ukraine under pretty suspicious circumstances while the blame for the tragic incidence has been put fiercely on Russia day in day out ever since. Interesting coincidence... If it is one...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:10 | 5013010 Latina Lover
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Of course Russia was going to get fucked by the Dutch Kangaroo court. This is how the western banksters play, ugly, dirty and filthy. 

Like a good Kosher butcher,  the controllers of the USSA/EU will try to bleed Russia dry.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:11 | 5013038 Herd Redirectio...
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Any one know the story here?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:16 | 5013071 Herd Redirectio...
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Khodorkovsky, AFAIK, was a director of Yukos, or basically in charge of the auction, when they privatized. 

He sold Yukos TO HIMSELF at the auction, for $360 million.  Highest bidder be damned, as the value at that time was considered about $1 billion.  So he steals from Russia at that moment.

But wait.  Wheres does Khodorkovsky get above-mentioned $360 million?  Well, when Khodorkovsky was arrested, it was revealed he never owned the shares, but that they were to revert to a certain Rothschild.  No, I am not shitting you, look it up.

So this payment to shareholders is basically a gigantic Rothschild extortion attempt.  To the tune of $50 billion.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:26 | 5013120 john39
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under every rock... you find the same shit. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:48 | 5013212 smlbizman
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get me judge judy on the phone stat....then i may believe

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:09 | 5013295 SamAdams
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@herdredirection

hence the pyramid logo...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:53 | 5013479 0b1knob
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Did Putin point out the royal reaming that Choomboy gave to GM stock and bond holders as a precedent? 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:53 | 5013614 COSMOS
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Hey didnt the Canadians win a multibillon dollar suit at the same court against the USA regarding soft wood production a while back, and the USA basically said shove it ???????????

Anyways the Russians just need to wait.  When the dollar hyperinflation sets in that fifty billion will buy a stale loaf of bread in the Hague ghetto.  They can send them half that money only because the stamp will cost the other half hahahha.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:14 | 5014258 7.62x54r
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The Rothschilds are still pissed about having Putin take Yukos from them after they bought it at Yeltyn's fire sale.

When car bombers get quietly executed by the FSB, you use lawyers.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:53 | 5015593 mkkby
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Well, obviously a judgement that Russia disagrees with is uncollectable.  When Iceland is invaded by a debt collection army, they can start to worry. 

Until then, Russia holds the trump cards.  Back them into a corner and it's no oil/gas for you SUCKERS!

How about this?  Putin announces starting 3 years from now, all Russian oil and gas will be used internally or exported to Bric countries ONLY.  My guess is the sanctions end pretty quick.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:52 | 5013229 BigJim
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I presume the Russians are aware of all the history of the Rothschilds. How could they not be? During the USSR days their spies tried to investigate every nook and cranny of everything.

Maybe it's time they did a data dump on all archives related to a certain family. That could be interesting.

And maybe it's time they publicly stated they believe Germany's gold is no longer in the NYFRB. That might set the cat amongst the pigeons too.

But I suppose they feel they need to accumulate as much shiny at these suppressed prices as they can. So... maybe the revelations aren't coming just yet.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:00 | 5013263 Herd Redirectio...
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I don't know.  Sometimes you TELL people the truth, they don't hear you, don't understand, their eyes go blank etc.

Sometimes people have to find out for themselves, and that may be Putin/Russia's strategy, at the moment.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:49 | 5013447 tenpanhandle
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Let's see here:  fuck the world by rigging LIBOR and get 100 mil fine; screw one jew and it's 50 bil.  Seems fair.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:17 | 5013628 COSMOS
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The Rothschilds always did have a preference for natural resources, they always go for mining companies from the very beginning.  Bunch of parasites.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:19 | 5014275 7.62x54r
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BigJim: They are more than aware of it. In 2008, their assassins were rounded up by the FSB before they could off Putin. Apparently those stupid fucks weren't aware that the Russian mob they tried to contract with is led by retired KGB.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:59 | 5015636 mkkby
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If true, how have they avoided eating polonium sandwiches all these years?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:53 | 5013468 Colonel Klink
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under every rock... you find the same dreck.

FIFY

3rd definition:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dreck

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:52 | 5014438 The_Dude
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repost

Khodorkovsky was the head of the tribe oligarchs that sourced funds from outside (hmmm...who could have helped with that) and purchased all of the Russian productive assets, lock stock and barrel during the break-up of the tribe created communist system.  Thievery on the way in and out...(golf clap)    

Amazingly similar playbook to what they did in Germany post WWI to bring so much ire on themselves.  Then they feign supprise and victimhood when a strong leader stands up and tells them to get the fuck out.

Also amazing that we are such patsys that we watch this playbook again and again and do nothing to stop it....guess that is why we are the 'goyim'....

Enjoy the tribe rewards....while you can.... I have a feeling that payback is going to be a bitch this time......

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:52 | 5013224 NotApplicable
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And I thought it was Putin that turned the shares over to Rothschild after they arrested Khodorkovsky. Guess that wasn't good enough, huh?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:23 | 5014312 7.62x54r
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No, the Rothschild shill signed over his worthless shares when he was allowed exile in Switzerland. Putin merely released his sorry ass.

They will hold onto these for the same reason Bacardi still holds their old Cuba land deeds.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:47 | 5013441 Illuminatus Rex
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Better still, everyone in the UK north of 40 years old grew up and knows about the Philby, Burgess, Mcclean case, the fifth columnists who worked in SIS as wellas being double agents for the Soviets in the cold war.

But who was the fifth man who they could never pin charges on ? Why none less than a certain Victor Rothschild !! Quel, surprise surprise !!

More to everything than meets the eye, they always want their pound of flesh like the shylocks they are. As Napolean once said, when the hand that gives is above the hand that takes, democracy and politics for all nations are a sham as money Money has no motherland, the sole object of money is to consolidate their power over their chattel slaves. We are nothing more than cattle to be directed and farmed in their eyes.

The tribe and their banking, judiciary and political collaborators and agents like Khordohovsky are finished. We know it and so do they.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:25 | 5014330 7.62x54r
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Ya know, if they keep this up, they might get a cruise missile attack on their sorry ass estates.

I wonder how much gold is under them?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:53 | 5013467 Theta_Burn
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....Due to crippling sactions imposed on the County of Russia and the harm it's causing the Russian people, we hereby petition the court to make timely payments in the amount of 10,000 rubles a month as this is all we can afford....

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:21 | 5013100 666
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"The West is using every trick from economic sabatage to distorting legal ramifications to impose sanctions on Russia.  They will do everything but fire a missle."

The USSA should change its military strategy from soldiers and weapons to lawyers. This might save hundreds of billions of dollars each year, as well as lives.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:51 | 5014433 Sirius Wonderblast
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More lawyers? Please God, no!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:45 | 5013432 ajax
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"Any one know the story here?"

Germany got Khodorkovsky and Russia got Snowden and USA got ... FATCA?

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/khodorkovsky-calls-yukos-...

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:14 | 5013059 Ghordius
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it's not a Dutch court. it's an international court, with judges from all members of the EHRC (including from Russia, btw)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:31 | 5013146 angel_of_joy
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So what ? It has the same masters, follows the same rules.
Europeans are such a joke. No wonder they are becoming more irrelevant by the minute.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:35 | 5013391 Zwelgje
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Indeed, all these players pretending to be 'sovereign'...utterly pathetic shit and the sheep eat it.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:19 | 5013635 COSMOS
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Well it would be good to know what judges sat on this case and what countries they are from, and how they voted.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:39 | 5014594 piratepiet
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The EU is arguably the most remarkable political and economic project in the world since the end of world war 2.

EU economy>US economy.  US very keen to get TTIP with EU.

More irrelevant by the minute you write ? 

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:49 | 5015131 angel_of_joy
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EU is the biggest failure since the Soviet Union, in 1991. That's only natural since EU is the biggest project of SOCIAL ENGINEERING since Mao's communism. EU will fail because it moronically insists in imposing an economic straight jacket (Euro) on all its members. As of today, EU has the worst figures for DEBT, ECONOMIC GROWTH, and UNEMPLOYMENT in the entire Western World (and we are talking just official numbers here). There have been more than 12 years now since the generalized introduction of Euro among the EU states. Out of those 12 years, almost HALF of them have been spent in a state of economic and social crisis. The present looks bleak for a majority of Europeans, and the future is dim (to use a polite formula...). The welfare state, so beloved and worshiped in ALL EU countries, is DEAD because the money to support it is out ! So yeah, the whole pile is becoming less appealing by the minute, ESPECIALLY since the same inept EU politicians are about to commit economic suicide by starting an economic war with Russia. Good luck to you guys... you sure gonna need it !

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 04:34 | 5016690 piratepiet
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EU is the biggest failure since the Soviet Union, in 1991

The Soviet Union died in 1991, the EU has not.

EU will fail because it moronically insists in imposing an economic straight jacket (Euro) on all its members

Any member has the right to pull out of the euro.  "The EU will fail" : don't take your wishes for reality.  And even if some members do pull out or if the currency arrangement is redesigned, that does not mean the EU fails.

As of today, EU has the worst figures for DEBT, ECONOMIC GROWTH, and UNEMPLOYMENT in the entire Western World

There you have a point, there will need to be adjustments in some countries, especially in Southern Europe.

but your point of reference is funny : "in the entire Western World " : most people of the so-called Western World live in the EU to begin with.  And moreover : What does Western world even mean ?  Talking about social engeneering.

 

The welfare state, so beloved and worshiped in ALL EU countries, is DEAD because the money to support it is out !

The ECB can print it's own currency, the money will never be out.  There will have to be adjustments, yes.  The greatest point of tension is the economic and cultural difference between Northern and Southern Europe and how to deal with that.  And I agree that the welfare state has run out of control and needs to be reigned in.  But it certainly is not "dead".  Much less homeless people and more social harmony than in US, that has a price, yes.


ESPECIALLY since the same inept EU politicians are about to

commit economic suicide by starting an economic war with Russia

EU GDP roughly 14 Trillion USD, very diversified economy, but yes dependent on energy imports, renewable energy revolution currently taking place.  Russian GDP roughly 2 Trillion USD,  dependent on energy exports to Europe.  Russia's economic growth is 0 procent currently.  Wonder who has the upper hand in a trade war.

 

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 07:09 | 5016857 piratepiet
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Correction :

A member has the right to pull out of the EU, leaving the Eurozone is neither explicitly permitted or prohibited.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:38 | 5013411 caconhma
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Yes Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Putinstan is in deep shit. The West is preparing to go for a kill and the mafia in charge of Putinstan (aka Russia) is in total disarray.

Putistan ruling mafia-elite still thinks that America and EU are their partners and they cannot understand why there are no “good @ fair” negotiations taking place. The Zionist Banking Mafia wants to fire their managers in Russia and they (including Putin) don't want to go. The similar situation was with Qaddafi in Libya and Saddam Hussein in Iraq. And we know the end of the story.

Putinstan is a Titanic and its months are numbered. The Zionist banking mafia has two problems finishing Russia:

(1) There is Chine who wants a fair piece of Russia and (2) Putistan still has 5,000 nuclear warheads.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:21 | 5013661 teslaberry
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this is a good read . 

 

one more point------the EXECUTION  of this away will be to simply TAKE russian transfers. 

russians won't simply GIVE any more transfers---so essentially this is a court ruling whose endgame is to excute upon german's ability to buy natural gas from russia. 

 

russia is not going to give free gas to germany and not get paid------and germany cannot pay russia if there is a 50 billion EU award. 

i'm guessing there are a number of british dutch and french judges on the hague court outnumbering german judges. 

THIS IS ALL ABOUT GERMANY AS THE PIVOT. 

putin knows this, everyone knows this. and the germans will eventually have to fight back against the british and french just like in ww2. ww2 happened because the french and british greed from ww1 pushed germans into poverty. 

 

the goal is to once again use the 'system' to push the german country into poverty. until germany is once again in poverty------it will not shift its allegiances. thus, ww3 is unlikely to happen until german is at least very poor. 

this can take quite a few more years. 

 

but this ruling ultimately is about the prussian-russian alliance.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:51 | 5013779 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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bravo

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:03 | 5012983 Payne
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So what, they will never collect.  

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:09 | 5013027 DoChenRollingBearing
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I would not invest a nickel in Russia.  Those who wish to invest there, do so at your own peril and do not come back asking your local taxpayers to bail you out.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:11 | 5013039 Latina Lover
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Yeah, you are better off investing in USSA approved MF Global, MBS, etc /sarc off.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:15 | 5013064 DoChenRollingBearing
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MUCH better to have invested in Peru and in gold.  Smile!

 

EDIT:

But if you DO invest in Russia, please let us know how it turns out.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:44 | 5013188 angel_of_joy
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That works fine until some guy like Evo Morales (in your neighborhood...) comes to power by popular vote. Next thing you know, you have no business left ! I do remember that Peru had its own leftist nutbars some years ago who were fighting "for the people". Sendero Luminoso, I think ? Fujimori kicked their asses, but then the Peruvians chose the "reconciliation" path (probably because it worked so great in SA...). If those guys ever get in power, you'll have maybe 30 minutes to run for your life... Other than that, business is great, I'm sure.

P.S. In Russia, you have to work WITH the government, pay the right bribes to the right people. You try to do something AGAINST them, you're instantly fucked. Don't forget, that's a KGB controlled country from the highest level, down. And yes, there are many people making A LOT of money in Russia nowadays. But you have to follow THEIR rules...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:05 | 5013227 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is true.  South American countries are vulnerable to populist blowhard strong-men coming into power and seizing businesses.  We are small, and not involved in a "critical" business re the state (no mining or flagship businesses like airlines, etc.)

As of now, operating in Peru does not even involve bribery!  That of course could change.

***

Actually, I would very much like to hear of any success stories of small foreign investors in Russia.  Anyone care to step up and tell us one?  Hmm?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:21 | 5013651 COSMOS
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The biggest polluters in Peru are mining companies controlled by Rothschilds henchmen.  Its only a matter of time before the locals wise up and toss the parasites out.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:33 | 5013715 DoChenRollingBearing
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The mining companies do have a terrible history of polluting Peru.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:41 | 5014069 ebear
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Bullshit.

 Illegal mining, to which the govt. turns a blind eye, causes far more damage than any mining company.

http://incakolanews.blogspot.ca/2010/08/perus-two-faced-environmental-po...

For someone who sells a metal based product, you don't appear to know much about Peru's number one industry.

Also, I seem to recall you import bearings from China to sell in Peru?  Correct?

So then, what's China's metal extraction reccord with regard to pollution and cronyism?

Fact: Peru's recent roll is almost entirely the result of higher copper prices.  Check out a multiyear copper chart. That roll is just about over.

Maybe you can open a little beach side boutique and sell swimwear to tourists without getting strong-armed, but anyone making major capital investment, especially involving land title and sunk costs is in for a big surprise in the years to come as the Peruvian Miracle follows Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina and even Chile down the same rat hole.  As for Brazil: two words: Sera Pelada.

There's only one country left in Latin America worth investing in - Mexico - and they're headed down the same rat hole as well.

Russia is the next frontier for minerals and energy.  What do you think all the fuss is about, if not for preventing them from becoming world players now that communism is dead?  As a mining and energy investor of 20 years who speaks fluent Spanish and follows developments down south, I feel my time these days is better spent learning Russian.

Talk to us in five years about investing in Russia.  That train is just getting started. Hey, maybe you can sell bearings there?  Lots of bearings in mining and energy equipment.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:34 | 5014351 7.62x54r
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Investing in Russia is perfectly safe, as long as you do not piss off Putin.

The Rothschilds got the boot because they were looting the factories they bought, selling the tooling to China, and just profiting off of resource extraction that they did not have a hand in developing. People in Siberia were literally freezing to death as the Rothschilds shipped petroleum products and coal past them.

Pravda's special on Putin has the correct take on exactly why he gave the oligarchs the boot.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:55 | 5015163 angel_of_joy
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Exactly !
Incidentally, this is why Putin became so popular among his own people and REMAINED that way.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:36 | 5014666 DoChenRollingBearing
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ebear

Illegal mining is a big problem in Peru, damaging huge areas.  I read Incakola as well.

Russia itself has a huge bearing industry.  I doubt very much that Russia's .gov would welcome foreign bearings.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:56 | 5013247 FeralSerf
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PPS
How is that different from the Wall Street CIA partnership?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:15 | 5013309 GeorgeWKush
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What? When did ZH commenters start to praise SA neolib nutters like Fujimori. They all went to bed with the IFM and sold their countries to thieves.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:22 | 5013604 DoChenRollingBearing
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Fujimori saved Peru from the Khmer-Rouge like "Shining Path" (Sendero Luminoso).  Read up on the recent history of Peru.  Things are much better there since Fujimori ground Shining Path into the dirt.  S.L. was hell-bent on destroying the country.

Without Fujimori, there would have been a bloodbath.  Or would you have preferred a radical Communist bloodbath to the recent success of Peru instead?

Peru has been growing strongly for over 10 years, their economic growth is exceeded only by China.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:24 | 5013671 COSMOS
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Economic growth in the west is always defined as how much money they can plunder from an economy.  The majority of locals are no better off, or even worse off with a polluted environment.

Here is your economic development in Peru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7GzwjwEsQE

So lets see Economic Development brought to you by the same people who made up the name for The Patriot Act

See the pattern?

Economic development for the crooks and nothing for the locals except polluted water etc.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:42 | 5013734 DoChenRollingBearing
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Most of that is NOT true from my experience.  The average Peruvian is much better off.  The capital (many parts anyway) are much cleaner (and safer!) than before.  Same experience in Arequipa and Chiclayo, which I also have actually seen.  We have customers there as well.  THEY are buying more...  More spare parts repairing more vehicles.  Win-win.

I have spent a LOT of time in Peru and seen much of the country.  I feel better about my own experiences there than ANY YouTube video.

Also:

-- less pollution

-- less corruption (at least for small business)

-- less crime

-- cleaner cities

-- more social mobility (the last two Presidents are of native descent)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:59 | 5013818 COSMOS
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So far I have you painting a rosy picture with a few words, whereas I see a video with direct proof of what is going on in the majority of the country.  So yeah I will believe your cleaner cities less pollution crap, not.  Did you watch the video and see what happened to the drinking water of that city?

Cleaner city and less crime in what, the compounds of the rich who are helping the Rothschilds plunder.  You reek of disinformation Dochen.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:00 | 5013834 DoChenRollingBearing
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Vist Peru and see for yourself.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:04 | 5013859 COSMOS
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Should I go out in greater Peru where this is shot, or shoud I go to the walled compounds.  Look I am not saying there has not been economic growth, tourism and manufacturing etc.  But the growth that is touted by the west is by and large associated with destruction of Peru's countryside and drinking water, as this video shows.  These mining companies are Red Shield associated.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:54 | 5013798 ebear
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You don't need a change of government to get screwed in Peru.   Just ask the shareholders of Bear Creek Mining corp.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:25 | 5013349 Latina Lover
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DoChen,  I have invested in AU and Peruvian Bonds. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:09 | 5013571 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  Then if you have your Latina, your Au, and Peruvian bonds (so far so good anyway), then you are likely a happy fellow.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:35 | 5013389 malek
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Sorry to say so DoChen, but you have fallen into exactly the mindset the puppet masters wanted you to, since at least the Cyprus "banking" crisis.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:17 | 5013633 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh?  By buying gold and investing in Peru?  By keeping CA$H out of the banks?  Buying (apparently) hard to control Bitcoin?

Please point out where I ape the puppet masters.  I have the time and can wait patiently for your reply.  Thanks for playing!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:16 | 5013935 malek
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Is that really so hard to figure?

I would not invest a nickel in Russia.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:37 | 5014060 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am 58.  I have invested in and done business with Peru for almost half of my life.  Have YOU ever invested even a nickel in Russia?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:52 | 5014944 malek
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I don't care what you do or didn't do, and it doesn't matter what I did.

I would not invest a nickel in Russia.  Those who wish to invest there, do so at your own peril and do not come back asking your local taxpayers to bail you out.

To make such an absolute statement and in the same breath declaring everyone having a different opinion 1. insane and 2. a taxpayer leech, especially in the comments to an article which basically asks the question who is the bigger liar, is slightly over the top if you get my attempt to measure my words!!

For the record, I would have invested some money in Russia about 2 months ago, If I had a way to quickly do so in a responsible manner (no ETFs, no ADRs, no pink sheets, but buying directly at the Russian stock market in Rubles). I will however consider that once again when making long-term investment decisions after the next crash, if the situation in Russia stays about same as today.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:11 | 5015984 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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whats up with the multiple fonts?  are you copying and pasting your replies... they follow hit song formats so to speak, and that really does not help credibility

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:33 | 5016065 malek
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Anything else to criticize? Should I also use all no-caps as you do?

Italic = quote to which I'm responding/relating

subscript = rarely used to indicate additional info, not directly related to the main discussion point

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:04 | 5012988 Latina Lover
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The USSA is not 'free market', but a crony capitalist system where certain huge business entities are promoted and protected, at the expense of everyone else.  Too big to fail is the definition of fascist economics, the union of corporate and state interests.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:20 | 5013069 lordylord
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"The USSA is not 'free market', but a crony capitalist system where certain huge business entities are promoted and protected, at the expense of everyone else."

Have you ever heard a dimwitted democrat (or RINO) blame the ills of society on crony capitalism?  I never have.  They just blame it on capitalism.  Meanwhile, all their taxes and regulations just hurt the poor and middle class (i.e. themselves).  They don't even know the difference between free-market capitalism and crony capitalsim.  They are kept in a perpetual state of ignorance on purpose.  The problem is that if you try to explain the difference, they ridicule or ignore you.  These people actually LOVE their ignorance and maintain it at all costs.  

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:56 | 5012943 Circle of DNA
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They will ask someone else to fire missiles...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:37 | 5013400 malek
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Ask? No no no.

They will setup a carefully crafted scenario where some dumbfuck inevitably will come to the conclusion that firing missiles is the best thing left to do...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:57 | 5012952 PartysOver
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BRICS power play in 5, 4, 3 ,2  ...

Dollar soon to be nice decrorative toilet paper

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:06 | 5012995 Kaiser Sousa
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just dump those treasury's already...
quit playin with these mother fuckers Vlad...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:19 | 5013085 Winston Churchill
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Getting closer, and closer.

You can understand them trying to salvage as much as possible, from their position.

But just like the creditors of a bankrupt company, one day they just say fuckit, and take

the hit.

That "fuckit" moment is approaching pretty quickly, shit like this is only speeding it up.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:59 | 5013260 BigJim
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I don't think the Russians hold enough treasuries to make a difference anymore. And if the were to make a difference, they'd piss off their new BFF China, which has trillions of the damn things.

Any dumping would have to be coordinated with their 'partners' or they risk seriously alienating their various allies.

I imagine it will happen eventually, but I wouldn't hold your breath. I've been thinking we're on the verge of a USD collapse for the last 5 years now.... very few real signs of it though.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:13 | 5013049 DoChenRollingBearing
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PartysOver

I would disagree...:

"The BRICS Bank: A First Look"

http://goo.gl/39sSby

-- They are using US dollars to fund their two institutions

-- No gold mentioned anywhere in the two treaties

***

The US dollar may indeed become toilet paper, but it will not be because of the BRICS.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:37 | 5013167 Winston Churchill
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Which one Do Chen .

The real one ,or the public one ?

Two years of negotiation,away from prying eyes or ears, seems like a long time for what

was unveiled.History is replete with secret codicils,convenants,and entire side agreements, that

are only made public  a hundred years after the event.

I wish I would still be alive when the true story of the deals done in the 1930's gets released.

Sure to be a lot of surprises,there alway are.

Watch what they do, not what they publish, and hedge accordingly.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:11 | 5013268 DoChenRollingBearing
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That's an interesting question raised recently by another one here at ZH.  

"What kinds of secret agreements might there be among some of them (Russia and China come to mind)".

The replier the other day mentioned that it reminded him of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Treaty of Germany and the USSR just before they (both) invaded Poland.  That treaty did indeed have secret protocols (eg, the division of Poland).

But, five countries signed the Fortaleza Agreements.  If all five are in on the secret protocols, it seems like it would be hard to keep them secret...

If it is just, say, Russia and China, well then does that not LOOK a lot like the dirty treaty of the USSR and Germany?  Hitler & Stalin were among history's worst scumbags.  Do Putin and Xi want to play those kinds of dirty games?  Maybe they don't care, I don't know.

I just wrote what is publicly available, and publicly commented on by those who are actually studying and following the (misnamed) "BRICS Bank". I of course have no insights into any "secret protocols".  But, if they have to keep stuff SECRET in international treaties, does that not reflect badly upon those parties?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:15 | 5013313 JohninMK
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Given how the US is cranking up the 'dirty' business atm one might hope that there are some 'private' plans that the BRICS could activate in an emergency.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:17 | 5013322 Winston Churchill
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This is not about mutual scumbaggery, more like mutual survival.

They have billions of lives at stake here, going by Uncle Scams history

of liquidating ... er   liberating threats.There are are multi country secret treaties,

the Tri Partite one has secret sections that should be revealed later this year, which may

shed a lot more light on the real causes of WW!.

Total secrecy is in everybodies self interest for the BRICS, so don't rely on getting leaks.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:48 | 5013768 DoChenRollingBearing
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The BRICS are in no danger from the USA.  The USA is addicted to cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart.  It is in OUR INTEREST that oil & gas flow freely (perhaps Obama and neo-cons might disagree).  The USA is not even able to crush or otherwise destroy the BRICS.  And, really, why would we have any such interest?  It makes no sense!

You may be right re secret provisions in the Fortaleza Agreements, but we will just have to wait and see.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:39 | 5014384 7.62x54r
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If Obambam gets serious, they will dump their dollars and T-bonds.

If they can keep playing "nice doggie" with that retard, they will slowly dump them to prevent a value crash.

Simple.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:01 | 5012969 fx
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So, Dutch courts will now handle the matter. And there were mainly Dutch people aboard the MH 17 flight that crashed in ukraine under pretty suspicious circumstances. Interesting coincidence... If it is one...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:05 | 5013271 Fíréan
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The Permanent Court of Arbitration  is not Dutch but located in the Hague.

http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1027

The members of this particular arbitration were:

The members of the Arbitral Tribunals were:

The Hon. L. Yves Fortier PC CC OQ QC (Chairman), Dr. Charles Poncet and Judge Stephen M. Schwebel

http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1599

Interesting to note that

Hulley Enterprises Limited is based in Cyrpus

Yukos Universal Limited is based in Isle of Man

Veteran Petroleum Limited also Cyprus based.

Off shore tax havens of which the official western governments have previously voiced disapproval.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:16 | 5013627 Fíréan
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of the arbitration committee ;

Chairman The Hon. L. Yves Fortier PC CC OQ QC is  Canadian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Fortier_%28lawyer%29

 Schweber is USA America, and a member of the Council of Foriegn Relations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_M._Schwebel

Charles Poncet is Swiss;

http://www.cms-vep.com/Charles_Poncet

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:28 | 5013689 COSMOS
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Why couldnt the judges have been from say Brazil, China and India hmmmmm

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:05 | 5013003 Monty Burns
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Correct. Let's just hope that Jim Willie is right and the Germany unshackles itself from the bankster run Anglo American parasites and steers a middle path.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:14 | 5013050 Latina Lover
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I doubt that the German Industrialists are willing to commit economic suicide to Punish Russia and cede market share to the americans.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:15 | 5012928 Uncle Remus
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Nukular (albeit desperate) economics.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:55 | 5012940 _ConanTheLibert...
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Just ignore this court.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:59 | 5012959 souljaboy
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I agree. It's what our president does all the time.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:04 | 5012990 disabledvet
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Ruble and Micex are getting slammed on the news.

Welcome to a world awash in energy.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:29 | 5013698 COSMOS
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The USA ignored it when it lost a multi billion dollar case brought by the Canadians regarding soft wood production.   You know American exceptionalism, we can ignore BS courts, Russians cant.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:42 | 5014395 7.62x54r
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( snicker )

The World Court has no enforcement capability. Just another bad tranzi joke.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:22 | 5013339 JohninMK
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He can't, its rulings can and will be implemented by many countries around the world pouncing on Russian assets. With the Rothschilds apparently a major benefitiary no-one will or possibly can stand in the way. They are probably T(most powerful)PTB there is.

As their power also reaches deep into Russia, Putin has a big problem and will be watching his back a bit more closely from now on.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:44 | 5014401 7.62x54r
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Pouncing on assets will have consequences. Winter is coming.

Assets Obama can grab will be grabbed regardless.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:59 | 5013367 Urban Redneck
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It's not a court, it's an Arbitral Tribunal, Moreover the Tribunal is asserting jurisdiction by ascension to a Treaty that the Respondent has not ratified, and in fact has notified the Depository that it would withdraw from precisely because it could not ratify the Treaty.

Without getting into the weeds of Article 45 and Provisional Application - this is a clusterfuck. One the one hand the realpolitik will set back International Law (which is voluntary), and to anyone worried about the Imperial Globalists trying to change the voluntary nature of international law and abrogate national sovereignty - they now have their marching banner (think the John Kerry signing the UN Arms Trade Treaty which the US Senate will never ratify), just as the Imperialists have theirs (scrap stare decisis and the precedent of Reid v Covert, then start signing treaties...).

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:56 | 5012944 NoDebt
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I've been trying to put an analogy or mental picture together for some time now of what western civilization and foreign policy has degenerated into.  I couldn't do it, so I turned to my man, Iron Mike:

"I'm gonna f*** you till you love me."  - Mike Tyson

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:21 | 5013097 Herd Redirectio...
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Bravo.

You have captured the zeitgest of our times.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:17 | 5013319 Uncle Remus
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Irony Mike.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:41 | 5013425 Zwelgje
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"Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face."

Mike Tyson

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:56 | 5012946 timeless21
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Timing, timing timing..

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:57 | 5012949 SickDollar
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WWIII coming very very soon

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:09 | 5013016 SickDollar
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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:08 | 5013019 _ConanTheLibert...
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and you don't need to go to a theatre for it. It's free!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:00 | 5012957 Azannoth
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Is that the sound of ICBMs trajectories being reprogrammed? In the general direction of those who give up their alleged political neutrality.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:05 | 5012963 Kirk2NCC1701
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The US and its submissive minions are good at the use of Weapons of Mass Slander.

Their Old Guard masters/sponsors have had centuries of experience in this kind of thing.  The Plebs... not so much.  And remember, it's not so much any individual case of incidence that counts, but the sum total effect of all these episodes that shape public opinion and daily negative mantras against Russia or Putin.  It's all part of setting the stage for the Sarajevo, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 false flag event.

Total PR War.  Total War.  Where "Total War = Full Spectrum Domination".  Actual military/DOD expression.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:00 | 5012964 SheepDog-One
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This is the exact type of shit world wars get started over.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:08 | 5012970 Dubaibanker
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Unless Russia obeys the Western powers, this charade will continue.....

The rag tag list of countries like Iran, Venezuela, N. Korea etc are now joined by larger nations such as Russia, China, Argentina, Ecuador, Saudi, Colombia perhaps French, Austrians, Cypriots, Turkey, India, Pakistan, Brazil etc who have lately done lot of discussions together or sided with the Russians and the Chinese. India's rejection of WTO at the very last minute after the formation of BRICS bank is a kick in the teeth for the NWO.

I don't believe the NWO - dominated by top US and European oligarchs - is going according to plan since the Chinese and the Russians are unwilling to play along! If the Indians also join hands with Chinese and Russians, the game of global domination cannot be played.

Once again oil plays a role (and connects the dots) in the latest deaths - to which we are all becoming insensitive to, anywhere - in Gaza and the relentless pounding by Israel:  http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-an...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:23 | 5013102 agent default
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Russia should just increase the price of gas exported to Europe by something like 30%, just for the lulz. Then create a real crisis and make Europe face the dilemma of complete destruction or breaking off from the US.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:32 | 5013712 COSMOS
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It always comes down to energy, if I dont have a breakfast in the morning I am dragging all day till lunch.  Same thing with OIL.  It is the key to survival, without it or if its priced too high, economies will implode.  The Russians sit on 1/6 of the world's land mass, the West must have it to survive.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:30 | 5013114 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm at the stage where I'm trying to convince my Jewish and Israeli friends that while National Zionism (aspirations for a Jewish Homeland) is perfectly understandable, that Global Zionism (aspirations to impose its ideology/worldview) on the region or the world is NOT understandable or acceptable.  Imperialism, no matter its pretext, is NOT acceptable.

Although I hear them tacitly agreeing, I do not see them being active in their opposition to the latter (Global Zionism / Globalism).  But then, they correctly point out, Americans aren't exactly marching in the streets either and opposing the vile actions of its own government: "Who's calling the kettle black?"  Fair enough... each side is responsible to hold their leaders accountable and within bounds.

Bottom line:  As much as Jews and Israelis must openly march to get their democratic government back (having been hijacked by Global Zionists posing as National Zionists), so too we in the West must get out there and march in protest, to reclaim our governments back from the Shadow Government that's running the show. 

No wonder Obama is playing golf.  He's effectively saying what he can't say on the Teleprompter:  "I'm a puppet.  There's nothing I can say or do anyway, so I might as well play golf -- for all the difference it makes."

p.s. It also occurs to me that ideological extremism is on the rise in all three monotheistic religions and that these zealots have effectively hijacked their respective governments.  Which brings me back to the old saying:  "When good people remain silent, evil prospers."  Way too many Moderates have become too complacent and numb, and have allowed the nut jobs to take over.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:55 | 5013242 Againstthelie
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- Oi veh, we are not to blame, it's only a religion!

- We are a people not only a religion, we have the same rights as every other nation!

 

Stupid Goyim don't even recognize this simple trick.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:31 | 5013140 barre-de-rire
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" If the Indians also join hands with Chinese and Russians, the game of global domination cannot be played. "

 

i see what you are referering to.

i didn't invented the sentence/rumor/georgia guidstone, but if you basically  divide humans number by 2,  from 7 billions you get 3.5.

 if you add india (1.237) + china (1.351) + brazil (0.198) + russia (0.144) + south africa (0.052) you get :  2.982 billions.

 

  1. i think you got what is in my mind.
  2. no need to say that for fulling the remain quota, any anti-usa country is welcomed
Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:50 | 5013374 Dubaibanker
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Barre de rire,

Actually, you could also turn it around.

US has pop of 320m, Eurozone has about 330m, if we add some small ones like UK, Switzerland, Canada, Australia etc, it does not even reach 750m, perhaps a few more and max we can get to is 1bn.

The rest of the world which is 6.2bn or 86.11%, simply does not like US which is why from countries like Pakistan, or just yesterday from Libya or in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Americans with all the military hardware in the world, have to run away like pussy cats. In Pakistan and Afghanistan, they simply cannot roam around the cities as a tourist. North Korea and Venezuela for the most part are also out of bounds. Bahrain, Syria and Yemen are too. Last visitors to Iran were perhaps in 1979. This is why every country is reconsidering their global alignment be it of trade, currency, oil purchases, banking or anything else. Because America puts it's fingers in everyone's pies and then tries to control and manipulate them.

This is causing grave harm to the national interests of every single nation in the world and causing them internal security issues and best of all, giving them enough incentive to join their hands with a common enemy - US.

Facebook, Youtube and Twitter are not helping USA. Just today, China raided the offices of Microsoft across China. China and Russia are completely insulated from falling apart economically because they have almost no debt to foreigners and do not allow US and UK corporations so if Citibank or Barclays were to fail, it will have almost zero impact on China or Russia. Plus, both have lot of resources and produce a lot of things like cars, gold, steel, cement, food etc internally for the most part.

US and British Corporations are not allowed inside China and Russia and do what they feel like which is what the NWO hates and cannot even make profits nor control people nor cause unrest through CIA. I have no idea why Germany and others are unable to retaiiate to US for spying on their internet and phones. It is mind boggling. Have Germans turned into giant pussies or perhaps they have gradual plans to move away on the New Silk Road?

If everyone keeps walking opposite to the direction in which USA wants, then US will get so isolated that they will turn into a third world country and will need to seek financial aid from others. 

Imagine Pakistan sending free cotton towels as aid to America! :)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:01 | 5013492 barre-de-rire
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i was not choising a team, just responding.

i entierly agree with what you say.

i still dont understand why usa do not have humility to accept they are loosing the 1st place & no trying to get a solid 2nd or eventually a 3rd... no, they want 1st place or kick the game's table. this is crazy.

they are just leading themselves to the end of the road. even better, the lack of control pushing em to make some crazy moves like requesting flight shot from ukraine is very dangerous with internet now... ( or untold one yet : i think the ah5017 was usa drone south algeria took off to force france to remember after bnp to not fuck with usa - france behavior is weird on the analysis )

i still dont see the very moment/situation that force usa to make official war. they would loose all. by all i mean, all, no more ressource, no economic, no more china stuff, somehow in the long term it could be good for economy after a decade but within the decade you have to face the war itself, which is another subjet.

instead, the bretzinsky tactics to weaken every where the stability to justifiy the hand on the ressources.... i just got one question.

a very very important question :

 

considering they ( usa ) messed up in evey location on earth to grab ressources but russia, they failed in syria & some orther places whom hasn't been  taken yet : WHY the fuck they attack russia now, instead of goin on some remainig place ?

in the way i see things, i am starting to see 2 points. the 1st point would be russia is becoming the ex usa about ressources master & distributor. the master of the ressources is the master of the economy. and when you only master the economy you not worth much alone because you have nothing to deal with ( sounds like the case actually of the usa, printing, but only playing with money, not real economy ), i assume provoking & getting russia down is a way to slow down a global process & eventually try to hijack russia to keep the 1st place. why not.

the 2nd point is : there is no more ressources, the very secret informations about the oil amount is now known & the last rempart as oil holder being russia, let's rumble. ( assuming, if it is a win-win, ok, if it is a win for a global loose, let's go total war. )

in both case, if you go outside, on sideway of any city of the world, you cannot imaginate a normality break, with no transport, no plastic, no energy, this cannot happen brutally, it is a long way down, estimated relativly smooth. my most fear : and if it was the case....

 

i dont have the truth, one some things i hope to be wrong. prepping still. :)

 

 

 

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:45 | 5013683 Dubaibanker
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I did not assume that you are any side of any team, I was just explaining my views that US is going to be very lonely and very soon!

Just tried to explain that mathematically as to how many people are gradually turning against US.

I just dont buy it as to how and why US is doing this to itself? It is so obvious. They cannot be ignorant to new agreements between various countries. After all they hear everything and read every email and see everything from space with a microscope and have GPS in every phone. Maybe US is behaving like a killer who when dying also wants to take everyone else down with him/her?

I think US is turning against Russia for the following reasons:

1. They cannot attack China because China is strong, China holds USD bonds, China has the new strong currency, China is indepependent, China is big, China is not import dependent...China is also creating a globally stable currency while having a strict policy of non interference in any country's politics or internal affairs. China is also creating a oil and gold trading exchange before end of this year. And, China is Russia's best friend.

2. They have chosen Russia to teach some lesson. It cannot be resources because EU gets hurt and which is why various EU countries are turning against sanctions through their Parliaments, no less.

3. Could be partly due to Snowden.

4. If you notice, Putin is eerily quiet and calm and not retaliating which is a mark of a world class leader / CEO (keep your emotions under check and do not retaliate when angry). If you read Russian media, there is no crisis whatsoever INSIDE Russia. In fact Putin's ratings have shot up remarkably since just last year. 

5. Since Cyprus happened last March, a lot of money has flowed back inside Russia into banks, real estate and investments etc. Putin had issued a 3 month or a 1 year notice at the time to bring money back else he would not be able to help. I beleive Russian oligarchs are on his side which is why no one has yet spoken anything against Putin. Russians have dropped out from being top spenders around the globe especially in top cities like London, NY or even Dubai or Cyprus etc from where they are not investing much more nor buying real estate. People like Steven Seagal or French actor Gerard Depardieu have found solace in Russia along with Snowden. China is Russia's best friend, again.

6. It could be because of NATO. Which is why all this started in the first place and US removed a democratically elected leader and replaced with another one who was removed this weekend. US is repeating the same mistakes it did in Egypt, exactly. Ukraine wanted to side with NATO and was not listening to Putin who had said that no country with a direct border with Russia should become a NATO alliance member country. But US / EU did not heed and put pressure on Ukraine and here we are...

7. As I said earlier, Russia does not allow foreign corporations and has retaliated a bit against Mercedes, Mastercard, Visa, McDonalds etc. Russian corporations and Russian banks are insulated against any catastrophe in EU or US.

8. Putin does not want to play ball in the NWO game to control the masses. From the Vatican to everyone else is involved in this game for the last 200 years but they cannot move ahead if Russia, China etc do not play ball. They are communists, and for better or worse, they must serve the people, as much as possible, regardless of having creating oligarchs in the past which happens in India, Africa, Middle East, Brazil etc even in US and Canada and UK where oligarchs rule and get out of favour sometimes like Conrad Black etc. We cannot eliminate crony capitalism but just can reduce it. China is doing anti corruption crusade which will help it in the years ahead though a few big heads will roll as a consequence, for the greater good and to redeem their past misdeeds and become a true future global leader, leading by example.

9. Russia signed that massive gas deal with China in yuan and Rubles in May which could have hurt US interests, definitely the USD.

10. Russia intervened in Syria and did not allow attacks by speaking the truth against those fabricated chemical attacks.

11. One more....Perhaps NWO and US/UK want to reduce the strength of China by reducing or controlling China's best friend and one of the largest GDP countries in the world.

12. Perhaps they want to remove Putin's control after 14 long years which they are unable to do, as simply as they can do in Ukraine, Egypt, Iraq, Tunisia, Libya......

US has lost its mojo totally and is losing its respect even faster!

If you put together all of the above, maybe the NWO or the US/UK have planned to bring Russia to its knees but it looks very unlikely that it will happen any time soon.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:02 | 5012974 JR
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International law belongs to the international bankers. Why is there a Hague, a UN, a NATO, an IMF, a European Central Bank, a Bank of International Settlements, a Council on Foreign Relations, a Bilderberg? The international bankers created them and use them to make law… to plunder.

You can now tie the international bankers to Ukraine and everything else as well as to their mouthpieces, the Rothschild’s Financial Times, the Rothschild's Economist... ad nauseam.

Putin signed his media death notice when he turned the tables on Russia’s so-called oligarchs –  in this case Mikhail Khodorkovsky – primarily a handful of largely Jewish plutocrats (many of whom also hold Israeli Jewish citizenship.

Sharon Tennison, president and founder of the Center for Citizen Initiatives, in an article on Global Research explains (excerpt):

“December 31, 1999: With no warning, at the turn of the year, President Boris Yeltsin made the announcement to the world that from the next day forward he was vacating his office and leaving Russia in the hands of an unknown Vladimir Putin. …

“February 2000: Almost immediately Putin began putting Russia’s oligarchs on edge. In February a question about the oligarchs came up; he clarified with a question and his answer: ‘What should be the relationship with the so-called oligarchs? The same as anyone else. The same as the owner of a small bakery or a shoe repair shop.’

This was the first signal that the tycoons would no longer be able to flaunt government regulations or count on special access in the Kremlin. It also made the West’s capitalists nervous. After all, these oligarchs were wealthy untouchable businessmen––good capitalists, never mind that they got their enterprises illegally and were putting their profits in offshore banks.

“Four months later Putin called a meeting with the oligarchs and gave them his deal: They could keep their illegally-gained wealth-producing Soviet enterprises and they would not be nationalized …. IF taxes were paid on their revenues and if they personally stayed out of politics.

“This was the first of Putin’s ‘elegant solutions’ to the near impossible challenges facing the new Russia. But the deal also put Putin in crosshairs with US media and officials who then began to champion the oligarchs, particularly (Jewish) Mikhail Khodorkovsky. The latter became highly political, didn’t pay taxes, and prior to being apprehended and jailed was in the process of selling a major portion of Russia’s largest private oil company, Yukos Oil, to Exxon Mobil. Unfortunately, to U.S. media and governing structures, Khodorkovsky became a martyr (and remains so up to today)….

And the rest is made clear in “Who is Vladimir Putin? Why Does the US Government Hate Him?”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-vladimir-putin-why-does-the-us-government-hate-him/5381205

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:12 | 5013044 viator
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Thanks for the link!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:57 | 5013256 Bankster Kibble
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Nobody snaps the wallet shut on Rothschild fingers and gets away with it.

Anybody out there prays?  Save a couple for Putin and Russia.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:37 | 5013730 COSMOS
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Ill save a few bullets for the Rothschilds when the time comes.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:06 | 5013288 Radical Marijuana
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Excellent comment, JR!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:03 | 5012978 orangegeek
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Maybe Russia will think twice before taking other countries.

 

Rather than send millions of Russians to war, the US is just taking the Russian heads money.

 

Sounds good to me.  Who the fuck wants to fight another gong show like WW1 or WW2????  Other than Putin of course.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:05 | 5013001 blabam
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WW3 has already started... and Putin didn't fire the first shot. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:22 | 5013099 piratepiet
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who did ? where and when ?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:56 | 5013245 Bankster Kibble
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2008, Georgia war, when American contract "advisors" got involved in the shooting between the Russians and South Ossetians on one side and Georgians and Ukrainians on the other side.  We lost a few people there who got sent home in body bags.

But perhaps it started in the Balkans in the 1990s.  We lost at least one plane during that conflict.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:32 | 5013375 JohninMK
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2008 yes, but it was the financial crash and the ratcheting up of US debt due to QE that really set this into motion now, as opposed to a few years time.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:10 | 5013297 fel.temp.reparatio
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ehmmm... ww3.1, or pehaps ww3.2 using the modern day nomenclature thank you very much

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:54 | 5013236 luckylogger
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The putin pussy brigrade wants to see putin kick obummers ass once and for all so we can all live in fear of going to siberia.....

Fact is the usa can kick putins ass with one hand tied behind our backs, like always does happen anyway....

He keeps fuking with us then russia will look like gaza and then it will be winter and we will just leave......

We don't need him or his fuked up country...

Putin needs his ass kicked once and for all.......

It will happen one way or another....

Hopefully not an all out war involving me....

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:08 | 5013276 fel.temp.reparatio
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somehow, i hope it does involve you...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:10 | 5013298 tony wilson
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luckylogger your a funny guy

i really like you in a village idiot kinda way.

 

luckylogger flat foot take your fat gmo puss ridden arse over to vladdyvostok and fight ivan you cunt.

we will think of you during the coming russian winter : )

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 13:33 | 5013381 luckylogger
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I burn wood that I cut on my own land...

Have fun in siberia guys.....

Putin is no better than stalin....

And when he does go, russia will fall into chaos...

That will be when thigs get scary.....

Enjoy your luv affair with ivan the terrible, I am sure he will promote you to some hot shit job....

By the way I almost up arrowed you until you callde me a cunt....

:)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:36 | 5013728 fel.temp.reparatio
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i down arrowed you, even thought you didn't call me a cunt... so there

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:39 | 5013738 luckylogger
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So take that and shove it up your kunt... Sir.....

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:32 | 5014019 luckylogger
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That was a good one, luv the link!!!

" If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass. "
:)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:08 | 5014197 fel.temp.reparatio
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...truth be known, i improvised somewhat

i hope the link serves you well... i'm kinda put off by your smiley though. now i'm not sure if i should insult you or hug you... ehhh

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:40 | 5013743 COSMOS
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Luckylogger is looking to take over Russia because he knows he will run out of wood on his land and the Russians have the largest forests in the world.  Luckylogger is a bluecollar Rothschild lumberjerk

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:51 | 5019936 MoneyThimbles
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Oh boy are you due for a big surprise.

 

Remember your words, when New York to Boston is a nukular wasteland.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:04 | 5012986 ekm1
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The man has advanced the military, and Europe responds with court decisions.

 

Moronity continues unabated

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:19 | 5012987 barre-de-rire
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i announced weeks ago that usa cannot trigger officially war & doin it as same way  they did with others.

 

there is a temp land ( ukraine ) & usa push on the left, russia en the right.

 

impossibility to trigger a world war ( usa do not want world war ) they want russia ressources.  masses do not want war, nor a world war. there will not be a war.

just a fancy usa doin more & more stupid moves until rest of the world really loose temper & finally make official announce such " pls, stop that.. you really start to piss me off ".

until this point, you can keep the hat on the head & play WS money, no worries.

 

i think russia will have the smart elegance to no make a move neither saying a word but just keep building brics then once all ready ask to EU " you wanna be part of ? " but keep USA excluded from any part of the business .

 

at this stage, usa will become the target to shoot because they will no longer have anything to loose. it is not the case yet.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:09 | 5013029 xamax
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Im gonna avoid McDo and so on in the future.

GO PUTIN GO!!!!!!!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:14 | 5013037 buzzsaw99
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Lone Starr: A million? That's unfair.

Pizza the Hutt: Unfair to payor but not to the payee.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:14 | 5013053 Shad_ow
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"becoming? increasingly politicized."

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:14 | 5013062 samsara
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Share Holders??

And who did Khodarkovsky try to turn over his holdings to just before he was popped? The TRUE powers behind the the scenes(of all of it)?

ROTHCHILDS

They that are never spoken of....

".. He invited two powerful Westerners to its board—Henry Kissinger and Jacob Lord Rothschild. Then he set about to develop ties with some of the most powerful circles in Washington where he was named to the Advisory Board of the secretive private equity firm, Carlyle Group where he attended board meetings with fellow advisors such as George H.W. Bush and James Baker III."

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 12:19 | 5013066 falak pema
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Laughable, but a sign of the all out fight for Russia is now launched by the USA. 

Two despotic regimes now cross swords behind the tinsel legal screen of the Hague Arbitration Court.

It would be noteworthy to remember in this context what esteem the USA holds that other judicial institute based in the Hague : The international war crimes Court;  that judged the leaders of Serbia and surrogate regime in Bosnia, as well the despots of Black Africa.

The Us Admin considers that it is not signatory to a law court it helped create in the fall out of the Nuremberg trials of Nazi leaders --that the US co-managed with the Soviets and its allies post 1945 victory.

Now that is totally IRONIC.

So any criminal depositions against US politicians or military leaders in the course of punitive actions taken in Nam, Iraq, Afghan etc. etc. etc. would be deemed of NO RELEVANCE by this as by all previous US administrations. 

So... if Putin decides to treat the Arbitration court with the same disdain as the US does the war crimes court what will this same US admin have to say on that? 

Pot n kettle...Two despotic administrations that consider themselves above international conventions. 

The race to bottom is truly hotting up and the US wants regime change not only in Ukraine but also in RUSSIA ! 

That is now crystal clear.

 

 

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