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The Shocking Reason Putin Isn't Worried About The $50 Billion Yukos Ruling

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Having $50 billion of assets under potential seizure is enough to make anyone whince. However, despite a quickly worded statement on the Yukos award, Vladimir Putin seems less than anxious to find a resolution. We think we know why, and it's very concerning.

As The FT reports confirming our earlier comments:

The award is a landmark not just for its size – 20 times the previous record for an arbitration ruling. The tribunal also found definitively that Russia’s pursuit of Yukos and its independently-minded main shareholder, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago was politically motivated.

 

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Though Russia cannot appeal against the award, Moscow said it would pursue all legal avenues for trying to get it “set aside”.

 

Even if the ruling stands, shareholders face a tortuous battle trying to enforce it. If Moscow refuses to pay, they must pursue Russian sovereign commercial assets in the 150 countries that are party to the so-called 1958 New York Convention on enforcing arbitration awards.

But perhaps this explains why Putin is not coming out swinging, as The FT concludes,

One person close to Mr Putin said the Yukos ruling was insignificant in light of the bigger geopolitical stand-off over Ukraine.

 

“There is a war coming in Europe,” he said. “Do you really think this matters?”

Source: The FT

 

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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:53 | 5013796 Beard of Zeus
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Moar woar bitchez!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 14:56 | 5013809 localsavage
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When you poke a bull, you sometimes get the horns.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:01 | 5013817 Publicus
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It's pretty obvious now that the rebels will eventually take over all of Ukraine. It is going to be an exciting Fall this year.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:04 | 5013849 thamnosma
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No they aren't.  Geez. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:11 | 5013901 espirit
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Putin:

Put it on my tab.

Yuk, Yuk, Yuk(os).

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:14 | 5013922 COSMOS
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I think the world has more money invested in Russia than the Russian govt has invested in Western countries.  If they try to seize anything Russia can reciprocate and seize their energy and other investments in Russia.  Nobody will seize anything.  USA lost a ruling to Canada in the billions regarding soft woods production and nobody dared seize any USA assets lol.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:19 | 5013946 dontgoforit
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Cigarette companies got fined more than this in the U.S. and they do more damage.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:35 | 5014044 CH1
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Bottom line: Without Russian gas, Europe freezes.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:42 | 5014095 Uncle Remus
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And German industry, well, it won't be pretty.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:52 | 5014125 strannick
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Putin knows American NATO will never stop. If Putin rolls over on Ukraine, then Western-backed Oligarchs recommence with their deconstruction of Russia that almost succeeded in the late 90s early 2000, which resulted in starving, impoverished. chaotic Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSVNPQKDkM

This is the Western dream for Russia, Putin knows it, and if American NATO persists, it will happen over many dead Eastern European bodies.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5014182 Quus Ant
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The dollar is dead.  We've been attending the wake. and it's almost time to hear how the estate will be dismembered and distributed.

Putin is that kid smiling in the back pew.  Ornery little fucker.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:01 | 5014203 Raymond K Hessel
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Seriously, this pay wall shit is just shit. It's fucking fuck shit, fuck.

Shit.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:15 | 5014274 balolalo
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Two words everyone: 

FORCE MAJEURE

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:41 | 5014392 Latina Lover
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Russians know they are under attack again by the West, and will back Putin. A few bullets in the back of dual citizen bankster/oligarch traitors should be enough to stop most 5th column activities.

 

Russians can take the pain of war, since they are preppers by nature and have already fought in at least 4 major wars over the last 100 years. They can endure.

My question is are the Europeans willing to do the same?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:02 | 5014488 negative rates
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And not to mention that Lybia is on fire.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:17 | 5014574 john39
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slightly OT, but so disgusting that it merits attention, Harry Reid is calling for more money to be sent to Israel to help it complete its genocide of Palestinians:

"US Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says Israel urgently needs more financial aid from the United States for its offensive against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. On Monday afternoon, Reid warned that the Obama administration’s $225 million request to aid Israel during its current war may not be enough, as the Zionist regime continues to massacre Palestinians in Gaza."

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/28/373165/israel-in-urgent-need-of...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:23 | 5014856 Not Too Important
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CUFI is bleeding the US Christians dry, while MENA Christians are being slaughtered by IS with US weapons.

Stupid fucking Goyim.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:47 | 5015320 Drunk In Church
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Putin is a latent homosexual.  That's why he's always talking tough and taking off his shirt.  He's a wannabe pole-smoker. Bitchez.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:50 | 5015330 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 for reply and moniker

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:14 | 5015425 strannick
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I think you have him mixed up with all-American bitchboy Obama. Wait, thats not true, cause Obama isnt latent

http://www.amazon.ca/Barack-Obama-Larry-Sinclair-Cocaine/dp/0578013878

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:27 | 5015460 johngaltfla
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It is officially now some serious shit. We're about to go a Bridge Too Far....

 

 

07.28.14 21:15 ET BREAKING NEWS: Russia Violates 1987 Missile Test Treaty with Cruise Missile Test
Mon, 07/28/2014 - 22:08 | 5015674 Manthong
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Yeah, but  “At this point, what difference does it make”?

And I don’t know from Yukos, all I know is that it is a damn good thing that the Fed, BOE, ECB, BOJ, IMF, World Bank and ESF policies are pure as the wind driven snow and far distant from any taint of personal exploitation, commercial corruption or geopolitically motivated global currency, bullion and monetary fraud.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:13 | 5016575 Sirius Wonderblast
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Yes, that's right.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 17:01 | 5019562 espirit
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Putin's expecting change for that Trillion dollah Zimbabwe note he handed Obamao.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:48 | 5017315 tonyw
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so tested in 2008 but now being used to escalate matters, headlined as "breaking news" !

From memory hasn't the US launched thousands of cruise missiles since then that have killed many and destroyed much in several countries??

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 12:14 | 5018118 Bunghole
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+ 1 for reply and moniker

 

No.  -1,000 for egging on that little fuck.

Man, you're dense.

Go buy some more BTC at $900 and justify your purchase, dickweed.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:00 | 5015009 BeanusCountus
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Simple way to stop current Israeli "massacre". Stop shooting missiles at them.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 22:48 | 5015879 Ex-Pat Brit
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Simple way to stop current Israeli "Massacre".  Stop all US funding and supplies to their military

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:17 | 5016019 TheReplacement
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How about everyone stops funding both sides.  Then we'll see which side can make something of itself for real.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:09 | 5015028 Plato's Law
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Congress attaches increased Israel aid to a pre-existing bill, sorry forgot which one, either the highway trust fund or the border invasion funds. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:20 | 5015064 Kirk2NCC1701
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If that sick fuck gets an early factory recall, I promise to send flowers.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:25 | 5015079 McCormick No. 9
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Alright I'll go off on Harry Reid. He is a disgusting fuck-maggot. He is the poster child of what Joseph Smith warned would happen to the Church.  He is the epitome of the secret combinations we were waned would happen in the book of Ether. John Swallow and Mark Shurtleff should be able to take him down, but if somehow he doesnt get sucked into the worst bribery scandal to rock Mormon politcal circles in, well ever, then I hope Cliven Bundy ties him down to the kaliche dirt in rural Clark County and has him trampled to death by desert tortoises.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 22:57 | 5015921 Uchtdorf
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You are one straight-shootin' son of a gun.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:04 | 5017728 sunaJ
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Shortly after Cliven Bundy took up arms against the USG for cattle rustling, he contacted his stake president, requesting an endorsement from the LDS church in his struggle against fed incursion.  Of course, the stake president balked and told him the church cannot endorse such things.  He recommended that Bundy comply with the gov't orders - in keeping with the 12th "article of faith." 

 

Shurtleff, Swallow and Reid represent the inbred, corrupt power that sits atop the will of the people, that occupy seats of power in order to facillitate personal gain and cronyism.  The investigation of their corruption was passed over by the FBI (with no explanation) and is now being driven by Davis and SL county district attorneys aided by local law enforcement.  Shortly after becoming Utah AG two years ago, Swallow hung a "for sale" sign in his office window.  The corruption/cronyism is bad, but even Utah authorities are loath to break wide open a national corruption scandal because, you know, it would reflect poorly on our instititutions of power - like the gov't and the church.  What a disgrace.

They wear suits and entrench themselves in our seats of authority and power, then they attend church and proclaim what soldiers they are against crime and corruption.  They are the wolves in sheep clothing.  But don't tell the sheep.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:27 | 5014620 Cap Matifou
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Thanks to the arrival of "democracy".

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:22 | 5014854 Escrava Isaura
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Democracy?

Where?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:54 | 5014988 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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It's increasingly a filler for text-books in many parts of the world.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:11 | 5015036 Escrava Isaura
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Uhmm! Propaganda.

Thanks

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:28 | 5015253 Duffy Duck
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SCG does some great work.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:25 | 5014612 Perfecthedge
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My question is are the Europeans willing to do the same?

I think the Germans are ready for war and with these Elite Fighters nothing can go wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aHXJu7TTWM

Does that answer your question?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:19 | 5015211 Kirk2NCC1701
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All Middle Europeans (especially Austrians, Germans and French) are NOT willing to bleed or die for US Banksters and the likes of GS.  That's not their idea of "doing God's work".

Or, as Angela Merkel said (on the verge of tears recently, and in Obama's presence):  "Ich bring mich doch nichts selbst um!" (I'm not going to commit suicide!")

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:10 | 5015405 NoPension
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And to think, they almost ruled the world.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:29 | 5016615 AnAnonymous
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My question is are the Europeans willing to do the same?
____________________________________________________________

Were not the batches of unemployment supposed to feed the war? Was not war desired to deal with unemployment? Is unemployment over in Europe?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:21 | 5014848 Escrava Isaura
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Latina,

Did you mean, the rest of Europe to do the same?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:34 | 5014903 Latina Lover
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Clarification: 

The Russians understand they are again under attack from the West. They can handle the pain since it is a question of their survival as a nation.  They remember how they were almost destroyed in the 1990's.

My question is,  are Europeans willing to fight another european war, with the same level of determination as the Russians?  Even if only mercenaries are used, European economies will be crushed.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:39 | 5014924 Escrava Isaura
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Clarification (too):

Russians are Europeans, too!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:11 | 5015200 Latina Lover
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Actually, many Russians would not call themselves Europeans, but I get your point.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:12 | 5015201 Latina Lover
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Actually, many Russians would not call themselves Europeans, but I get your point.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:31 | 5015503 angel_of_joy
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"Russians are Europeans, too!"
Mmm... only when they feel like, and right now they don't !

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:24 | 5016606 AnAnonymous
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'American' indo Europeans residing in the US are also european.

For 'americans', the group is all.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 05:57 | 5016774 Joenobody12
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No ! I asked the question to a Russian. Do they consider themselves Asian or European ? She replied as matter of factedly" We consider ourselves neither. We consider ourselves Russians".

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:47 | 5014960 cynicalskeptic
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I suspect that Europe is tired of war - having lost millions of its citizens in the last century.   With all they have to lose why wouldn't most of Europe simply say 'no more' and stay out of the US/Russia feud.   

Seriously... how much leverage does the US have over (mainland) Europe compared to Russia?   We may be able to twist Britain's arm but the rest?  Seems like they've caught on to the 'prop the dollar up at any and all costs - no matter who else gets screwed (eg the rest of the world).

The US is following Rome's path from Republic to Empire to collapse - in fast forward.   We will not be able to maintain our control over our former subject states despite all attempts at doing so.  

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:55 | 5014991 Winston Churchill
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Those nukes aren't just for enemies.

Don't be naive.

Is that enough leverage for you.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:00 | 5015010 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Suffice it to say that US foreign policy and monetary policy hesitance (and lack of consensus) are providing fertile opportunities for Putin and Xi.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:27 | 5016053 r0mulus
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Good game theory players recognize when others play the game badly. As a player runs out of strategic options, their next moves are less uncertain, and easier to anticipate and take advantage of.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:39 | 5015114 dark_matter
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Belgium was tired of war in 1914 and again in 1939. Didn't matter, they were in the right place at the wrong time. Europe is the new Belgium.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:20 | 5016592 Sirius Wonderblast
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I don't think many Brits fancy a war either, it's just the politicans and their banker bosses.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:31 | 5016990 oudinot
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Rome's most peaceful, prosperous period was the five Antonines from Trajan in 98 AD till the death of Marcus Aurelius in 180 AD when it was an Empire.

The Eastern Roman Empire lasted another almost 300 years -till 476 AD.

The Republic was finally destroyed by Ceasar in 49 BC.

Your analogy does not follow.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:54 | 5015340 DoChenRollingBearing
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You may not be interested in war.  But war is interested in you.

-- Leon Trotsky, 1919

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:32 | 5015514 angel_of_joy
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Yeah, but who is going to fight it ? I know I won't...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:20 | 5016226 wee-weed up
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Hey, I hate to break it to you...

But the real world doesn't work like that.

There will come a time shortly...

When saying you "won't participate in their war" just won't get it...

They'll simply take you out and shoot you...

And then they'll say, "Next..."

Face it - you are not important... you don't matter...

You exist only as possible cannon-fodder to the elites in charge.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:35 | 5016308 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes.  I suppose he will be one of the ones who is taken out back first...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 11:33 | 5017896 angel_of_joy
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You're wrong. I happend to know EXACTLY how this things work, and I can assure you that I'll be gone long before they'll come knocking to my door...

Besides, you cannot force people to fight, if they really don't want. Why do you think drafting doesn't work (for offensive wars, that is) ?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:26 | 5015082 caShOnlY
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are Rooskies ready for this?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOEIruwzf54

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:08 | 5017424 where_is the_nuke
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The zio-bankers in russia should be executed.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:49 | 5014426 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Oh, I can't wait and see when the US' gay military takes on the Russians. A huge disaster it will be for NATO.

Putin: + infinity

Pigeon: still 0

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:17 | 5014569 KingdomKum
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Molon Labe

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:18 | 5014832 Not Too Important
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That only applied to 3% of the population all those many years ago. Not nearly enough this time. But have at it if it makes you feel good.

It's up to the Europeans to stop WWIII. We'll see.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:43 | 5014946 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Incidentally, that phrase came from the world's first fascist state.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:25 | 5015238 ILLILLILLI
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Molon labia...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:12 | 5014247 SWRichmond
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The dollar is dead.  We've been attending the wake. and it's almost time to hear how the estate will be dismembered and distributed.

Putin is that kid smiling in the back pew.  Ornery little fucker.

I think they're trying to get me to stimulate the economy by buying cases of canned and freeze-dried food.

It's almost working...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:45 | 5014699 Mr. Ed
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Yes, a few of us are starting to catch on,

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:28 | 5014343 Escrava Isaura
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...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:41 | 5014390 max2205
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99 red ballons

 

War schmoar

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5014199 Anusocracy
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Putin should drop a line saying that Russia will pony up the $50 billion when the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations face the firing squad for war crimes.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:11 | 5014244 Burticus
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...or when the Kenyan Usurper's @$$ is shipped back to Mombasa and his wetback invaders are forced to swim back across the Rio Grande at gunpoint.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:14 | 5014271 Anusocracy
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That's not permanent enough.

And the Forager Clan would piss and moan.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:23 | 5014316 what's that smell
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let's see.....

the US subverts and overthrows the sovereign government of ukraine, supplies money and intelligence to wage a hot war on the russian speaking peoples of eastern ukraine, declares war on russia with economic sanctions, fabricates accusations that putin is a war criminal using a false flag shoot down, and......

the zhedge pink panty fanboys are SHOCKED, SHOCKED russia is preparing for war.

stupid bitches.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:45 | 5014408 Pure Evil
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Thanks for dropping by and sniffing our butts.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:38 | 5014671 Quus Ant
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Perfecthedge should have made this comment. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:15 | 5014272 john39
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or when the U.S. outlaws dual citizens from holding any government office or employment...    the true invaders.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:11 | 5014540 swmnguy
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And revokes the citizenship of anyone who serves in a foreign military.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:31 | 5014888 N2OJoe
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Woahhh easy there swmnguy, they need all the tax loot they can sieze right now.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:34 | 5017260 Omen IV
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or served as a central bank warrior in a foreign country .....like Fisher?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:34 | 5014908 Anarchy 99
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good one

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:10 | 5014989 fleur de lis
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Or when Victoria Nuland/Nudelman is dropped behind Russian lines wearing a great big nametag. With her stale, birdfeed cookies.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5014201 tumblemore
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Yep. The Wolfowitz doctrine in action - neocons and banking mafia spreading chaos and destruction around the globe in their deranged quest for absolute power.

 

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:02 | 5014204 undercover brother
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Russia made the land grab in Ukraine because it was not allied with NATO and they knew there would be no international retaliation other than sanctions.  They wouldn't dare try an annexation on a NATO member.  

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:44 | 5014403 Latina Lover
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What makes you think Russia actually wants Poland, Latvia, Moldava etc? They are either economic basketcases or offer nothing Russia really needs.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:20 | 5014844 Not Too Important
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They certainly don't want anything downwind of Chernobyl. And that's a lot of ground.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:43 | 5014948 Dublinmick
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If I won those countries in a raffle I would give them back.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:52 | 5014981 cynicalskeptic
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Russia wanted Eastern Europe ONLY as a 'buffer zone' against any future German/Western invasion.    No real need now.   Nobody is fool enough to actually invader Russia - the game has been to subvert it financially and steal its resources.  If real war comes it will go nuclear and be the end of all.

I used to think that the ultimate conflict of the 21st century would be between a resource poor/overpopulated China and a resource rich/underpopulated Russia.  Never thought that the US would be pushing WWIII in a desperate effort to prop up the dollar and maintain a fading empire.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:10 | 5016792 Joenobody12
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No, that is not the reason Obama is dying to go to war with Russia. The real reason is that his unsupervised dual citizens want to engage Russia in a war so our ISIS friends ,with our weapons (conveniently captured ) can invade Syria and accomplish the goal of spliting it up into smaller controllable pieces. Dual citizens will  start WW3 in a heart beat to honor the 6 millions died in WW2.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:46 | 5017079 tumblemore
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There are two reasons:

 

1) The banking mafia over de-dollarization

2) The neocons over Iran/Syria etc

 

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:21 | 5015071 gibons
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hmm, not sure, how about the fact that they kept those countries occupied (even Poland during soviet empire) since late XVIII century and putin called the breakup of soviet union as a catastrophe ? :)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:00 | 5015363 Eyjafjallajökull
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In late XVIII century their nukes and deployment systems were somewhat rudimentary. Once nukes are back in Cuba, Russia might relaxe. Or if the number of Russian subs permanently near the coast of US is around 50...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:03 | 5016194 jeff montanye
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quite rudimentary.

i hope raul castro lets putin put some nukes there.  might clarify things for that brilliance obama.

probably won't though.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:39 | 5014928 Aussie V
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Hey Bucknuckle,

Your head is full of MSM shit!

Is it OK for the US to be training the army of Moldova and using their land as a staging ground for attacks against the Russian speaking people of Ukraine?

The US has flamed the war, incited the war and, upped the ante at every point of their defeat. (As usual)

They will leave defeated, but only after killing thousands of innocents and achieve nothing but, more bloodshed, hatred and, a bill in the trillions.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:27 | 5015232 fleur de lis
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Undercover Bro--would you please tell me just what good NATO does these days? Other than hand out paychecks for nothing. It was a defense front created decades ago on the pretext that it was defending us againt the USSR. Which by the way was created by the same psychos who created NATO. Can you spell scam? Now the USSR has been gone for decades, and the Russians are still in recovery from their enslavement by a system created on our streets, so 'splain me why we need NATO.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:29 | 5015455 booboo
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 America, made the land grab in Ukraine because it was not allied with NATO and they knew there would be no international retaliation other than Europe soiling their panties.  Russia don't want any european countries, they want to sell them gas you fucking putz and they can't sell gas when all their pipelines are blown to hell and back. Putin is just telling it like it is, the PTB need a global conflict to rearrange the the lines on the map, move their pieces around on the board and a cleaner way of wiping out millions of souls that are wearing on their concious. God knows Bill and Melinda Gates finally figured out all that guilt they thought they were assuaging was being puked back in their faces by thankless tribal people hell bent on raping and hacking to death anything that moved.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:17 | 5014286 Uncle Remus
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You may well be underestimating the potential for a two-front war  - a US domestic civil war to spin-up if NATO decides to go hot. Don't think for a moment that "Never let a good crisis go to waste" fell on deaf ears.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:46 | 5014706 IllusionOfChoice
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Maybe if the cable goes out for a few months...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:20 | 5014853 Not Too Important
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Remember what happened when they tried a dry run and turned off the EBT cards for a few hours. Full FSA rebellion!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:28 | 5014624 Not Too Important
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"...then Western-backed Oligarchs recommence with their deconstruction of Russia that almost succeeded in the late 90s early 2000, which resulted in starving, impoverished. chaotic Russia."

Actually, they started back in the early 1900's, and never stopped.

We're just watching a new chapter being written in a very old book - and it isn't going to have a happy ending.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:37 | 5014916 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Suffice to say that this is bone chilling.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:48 | 5015319 zerocash
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Read this:

http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/13086

There has long been a plan to split up Russia and China just like the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were split up.

The "captive nations" policy is still in force:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/18/presidential-proclamation-captive-nations-week-2014

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 22:04 | 5015671 DanDaley
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Governments usually do the wrong thing, so why should it be any different with respect to Russia. It's like the Western oligarchs see everybody as an American "injun" to be obliterated...ain'g gonna happen, this time.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:44 | 5016116 disabledvet
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There is a lot to be said for this comment. Feeds into the while "Jewish Cabal" thesis as well.

Putin and the Russian Army can definitely lay down some serious lead if they please. Still...was he being explicit in "War with Europe" is coming...or just "War in General"? While absolutely convinced and in agreement with Putin's statement it is an interesting question...whether "Europe" or "the European Union" so constituted is really ready to go toe to toe with Putin's Russia.

Poland of course started World War II when they declared war on Germany and attacked Czechlosloakia....so there was much to the argument that World War II was in fact begun by Anglo/French "subversives."

Needless to say that plan didn't work out too well.

Right now French seems like total wussville when it comes to Russia...but never count out the English to do something REALLY CRAZY either.

Militarily speaking England and her allies in the Baltic (which would be everybody) pose a powerful threat to a large chunk of Greater Russia insofar as the Western Parts are concerned.

With the 'mericans all in in Ukraine that would be one hell of a coming out Party for a long forgotten Imperial Glory and would very much represent a Clear and Present Danger to "Putinism" if for say "British Armed Forces and Royal Marines made a move on Minsk."

That would make Great Britain a powerful protector not only for her most important trading partner (Germany) but also open up a lot of avenues for discussions about "redrawing the borders of Eastern Europe in a more civilized way."

Needless to say the Naval assets available would be more than a match for Russia in that (very valuable) part of the world. Sweden, Finland, Bulgaria...even Austria?...lot of opportunists would now be presented with an opportunity.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:10 | 5016215 jeff montanye
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you lost me at the part where poland attacked germany to start ww2.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:56 | 5016368 COSMOS
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Take it easy on him he was one of those Jay Leno sidewalk dude regulars

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:35 | 5016810 ebear
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say what?  I thought it started when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 09:11 | 5017166 tumblemore
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"Militarily speaking England and her allies in the Baltic (which would be everybody) pose a powerful threat to a large chunk of Greater Russia insofar as the Western Parts are concerned."

 

Wrong century.

 

The London branch of the bankng mafia that rule Britain have almost completely gutted the British armed forces. UK politicians and media act as a very loud poodle barking in support of neocon foreign policy but that's it. Militarily there is almost nothing there.

 


Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:23 | 5015077 Kirk2NCC1701
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War coming to Europe?  Quis bono?  It sure as hell isn't the Continental Europeans who'll benefit.

Freeze or die for the fascist US?  Yeah, right!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:45 | 5014099 Quus Ant
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So Russian gas must be "liberated". 

Corporations are people with all the rights accorded such.  The right to life. Sustenance. Resources.  The liberty to enter sovereign coutries.  The pursuit of that special kind of happiness.

Surely this is self evident.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:39 | 5014381 Uncle Remus
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.

Surely this is self evident.

 

To a sociopath oligarch perhaps, but to us regular folk who might wear a tennis shoe or an occasional python boot know this exquisite little inconvenience by the name of Eminent domain.

 

(Apologies to FZ)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:38 | 5014673 jon dough
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...puts a hurt on my nose...

 

And stop calling UR Shirley...

 

Help, I'm A Rock...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:54 | 5014736 Horseless Headsman
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I wonder if Exxon Mobil could be sentenced to life in prison? Or any of the other deserving 'corporate persons'?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:02 | 5014768 Escrava Isaura
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!!!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:10 | 5014803 Uncle Remus
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Paging Judge Dredd. Pick up a white courtesy phone. Judge Dredd.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:27 | 5015250 TheReplacement
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Does that mean they also have the right to die and can be executed for their crimes?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 00:05 | 5016198 angel_of_joy
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If corporations are "people" then they sure as hell have also the "right" to be fucked !

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:11 | 5015037 gibons
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russians are regularly cutting gas and oil supply to their neighbours, all of which are up north (Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania etc.) but I see no ice age starting there..

 

though i agree this whole idea of them paying the fine is a joke; it's like ordering North Korea to respect animal rights :)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:31 | 5015264 SemperFudge
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That's why Europe is shifting away from dependence on Russia as fast as they can.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:32 | 5015271 HurricaneSeason
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Russia should just triple the price of Europes gas to cover the $11 billion that Ukraine didn't pay and the $50 billion they want to steal. They can use China and any other country that signs off on property confiscation for their new base.  China has their gas locked in, but the other countries that sign off on property confiscation and pay their bills would gladly pay 30% more when the world prices skyrocket.  It's just a cost of doing business like Detroiters not paying for their water for years.  Make everybody that pays pay signicantly more while turning off the tap on the ones that don't.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 10:48 | 5017650 jarana
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Spain imports all its gas from Africa (and other sites, but nothing from Russia). Uses LNG and regasification plants (I know, ships transporting gas are potential terrorist attacks, and so on, et cétera and stuff).

Spain gas connections with the rest of Europe are "stopped" by friendly Fran©ais (aided by some hawkish litosferic plates standing 3km above the ground, known as Pyrenees).

Mediterranean corridor could let Europe lessen their gas dependence on Russia.

China also interested in "trans-European" mediterranean commerce routes (gas, sea ports, etc) and a "stable" (people who pay their bills with "enough" regularity) hub with South America and Africa (BRICS, you know).

Just digressing...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:47 | 5014113 Jack Burton
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Cosmos. Russia can and will freeze all US and EU energy concerns out of the vast and rapidly opening arctic sea oil fields. The EU oil companies are pissing their pants over trying to be main contractors for exploration drilling and production. Russia has control over vast shallow water Arctic oil fields that are fast becoming ice free for long periods of the years. Western Big Oil is looking at one of the last drill and pump oil resources. No fracking, no tar sands mining, no deep water drilling. Contending with less and less ice and in shallow water with oil in shallow or reaonable depth fields. Russia will look at this 50 billion dollar theft attempt and either bleed it out of western oil for drilling rights, or freeze them out totally. This will slow development by a major degree, but, that oil ain't going anywhere, Russia will get it, just take a bit longer.

War? If Putin believes war in Europe is coming, it is based on his intelligence sources including inside NATO. Poland and Lithuania are already screaming for a NATO advance into Ukraine to engage the rebels and finish them. Talk is even of them going it outside NATO, but with tacit NATO support.

Also, I listened to a lot of analysts of the more credible kind, who are hard to find. The general concensus is "Someone deep inside the American Administration and 'deep state', wants war with Russia now." Nobody can pin down what entity it is or how much power they have, but the AIPAC connection and Neocons in general seem to be this driving force for a major European war. The Russians have no allies, so the neocons think the pickings will be easy. They believe that MAD still holds, thus the war will never go nuclear. A dangerous gamble, no?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:54 | 5014168 Bay of Pigs
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The Russians have no allies? What about the BRICS coalition? Will they side with the US in a European war, or will they side with Russia? 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5014200 Jack Burton
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Economic allies. But come to war I don't see them as military allies.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:16 | 5014283 IndyPat
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I see them as brand spankin new russians if it comes to that. or dead.

Bad news either way.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:22 | 5014599 Herd Redirectio...
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Come to war, I don't see the Armed Forces being dumb enough to 'follow orders'.

Coup, baby, coup.  Its never too late for some of the guys from the Air Force and Marines to crack some,ummm, history books.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:38 | 5014674 oddjob
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Go Navy!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:57 | 5014997 lakecity55
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"Rum, sodomy, and the lash."

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 18:24 | 5014863 general ambivalent
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Don't forget that a lot of those good citizens in the army have their own free shit army. We've heard before how many are willing to go to war just to feed their baby-mama back home. People will go to war for the lowest possible reasons.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:31 | 5015266 Duffy Duck
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the marines are way, way too brainwashed and dumb. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:20 | 5014303 Bingo Hammer
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I suspect that the core of the EU, Germany, may soon surprise the world with its support for Russia 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:05 | 5014510 epi_tis_thalassis
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Otherwise it would again march to it's destruction, pointed against Russia, the same as in WWII.

I believe Germany is wiser now. What are their options I don't know but in a multi polar world maybe there are options.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:06 | 5014515 Coke and Hookers
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I suspect there's a major fight going on in Germany right now behind the curtains. The USEU financial elite Merkel usually takes her orders from is pressing for support for intervention. The manufacturing sector is pressing against because of their business dealings in Russia - along with those who remember that the last time Germany went east 20 million Russians got killed and Germany got destroyed.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:40 | 5014683 Not Too Important
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Certainly the neo-Comms don't care.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:14 | 5014559 The Chief
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It was only a few years ago that I remember reading about a massive spy network comprised mainly of young people, all working for the Kremlin, that was uncovered in the US. I remember that some horse trading went on for their return to Russia. How many of these types of networks exist?

The USA had insiders at the whitehouse deeply in bed with the bolsheviks during the run up to and during WW2...some say the President himself. Now, with these new technologically fancy times, these types of things are harder to pull off. That said, you can fight espionage via technical intervention, but how exactly does one fight an idea?

Now that the new-bolsheviks control our nuclear arsenal, just who is the enemy? It's clear that Putin hates bolsheviks. It's also clear that he despises the western financial elite-backed oligarchs that raped the industry of the former USSR in the early 90's. How has the bastion of freedom (which falsely described the US for decades) fallen so far as to openly seek the end of a reign of a leader that actually executes a fair-play agenda...regardless of his methods? Does this not brilliantly illustrate what, if not the "who", is in charge of the west?

The common westerner hasn't the faintest idea how to differentiate the varying ethno-political factions that have controlled the various forms of greater Russia. They are ignorant and thus don't know where to focus their scrutiny. On this front at least, the information control front, the west has been victorious. The tide has turned, however, and you can see this first in areas of the world with greater mental agility (read:education). Places like Germany, the far and near east, France, and yes, even some parts of S. America.

I remember a post a few days ago stating that the BRICs may have to add a "G", for Germany, in the not-too-distant future. Frankly, I'd be shocked if this did NOT happen. Germany has far more in common with Russia from a cultural perspective than it does with the US or England, royal family ancient ties and financial elite not withstanding.

Ideas are powerful. Gven that one cannot effectively fight an idea with the methods that governments and NGOs traditionally employ, it makes one wonder just what their ultimate plan for the endgame is. They never do anything without a plan. Successfully executed false flags spawn hubris. Hubris spawns cognitive dissonance on their part.

Ideas are simply too powerful, even for these experts.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:44 | 5014647 Quus Ant
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Good post, Chief.  But i would argue that TPTB are experts in the creation, subjugation, retardation and dissolution of ideas.  The ponzi is built on an idea, a set of assumptions, and at this point little else.  Ideas are powerful.   They ruled the passing age.  Go through your post and see how many words/ideas still have meaning/power in a world ruled by empty bellies and empty gas tanks.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:14 | 5015433 The Chief
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Solid reasoning, QA. It certainly illustrates how difficult it is to engage in a fight where the weapons are ideas. No question, these guys are good.

 

I think that they recognize that more of the denizens of this globe are awake and know that the fight is one of ideas...an unfortunate side effect of the internet (to their misfortune). In 1980, they were having a ball. Not so much in 2014...and saying nothing of 2020.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 03:52 | 5016641 Sirius Wonderblast
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QA has a point - empty bellies would upset the whole applecart.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 21:59 | 5015637 N57Mike
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Chief ... You are on Target ...Here is Edgar Cayce prediction on Russia.."On Russia’s religious development will come the greater hope of the world. Then that one, or group, that is the closer in its relationships, may fare the better in the gradual changes and final settlement of conditions as to the rule of the world. (3976-10)

Out of Russia, you see, there may come that which may be the basis of a more world wide religious thought or trend... (3976-12)

A new understanding has and will come to a troubled people. Here, because of the yoke of oppression, because of the self indulgences, has arisen another extreme. Only when there is freedom of speech, the right to worship according to the dictates of the conscience—until these come about, still turmoils will be within. (3976-19)

As with China, the final World Affairs reading given in 1944 emphasized Russia’s vital role in the future of the earth but in “friendship” with America.
In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the bolshevistic; no. but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit “In God We Trust.” (3976-29)

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 20:29 | 5015203 fleur de lis
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Read how the psychos in NY and DC destroyed the Russian Empire in "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Antony Sutton.

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 19:39 | 5015113 jerry_theking_lawler
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maybe, maybe not....Do you know how many G2L plants are planned or are in progress of being built?

 

Think the plan is for the US to supply the gas (with LNG) until new pipelines are built in the region from the Arabian Penisula (after taking the terrirtory)....

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 16:23 | 5014319 Glasnost
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Don't be so sure about China.  They've already held military exercises together.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 23:19 | 5016022 John Wilmot
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The Chinese won't do anything to provoke a war with the US until/unless they have either (a) built a navy capable of protecting their shipping lines to the middle east, or (b) built enough pipelines in the interior to make those shipping lanes redundant. They're nowhere close to either. So no Chinese military assistance to Russia for the forseeable future.

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