UN Says MH-17 Downing "May Be War Crime"; Russia Responds Photos Of Ukraine Shelling Are Fake

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With the start of the new weeks, and with the MH-17 tragedy increasingly more distant and blurred, with no definitive evidence on either presented so far, with a stripped black box revealing nothing, and with the Air Traffic control recordings still in Ukraine secret service hands, the "He said, She said" is about to escalate to a fever pitch.

The UN launched the first salvo when it announced earlier today that the downing of Malaysia Airlines jet MH17 in eastern Ukraine may constitute a "war crime", according to UN human rights chief Navi Pillay says.

"This violation of international law, given the prevailing circumstances, may amount to a war crime," Ms Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said of the downing of MH17.

"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.

This is happening after a team of Australian and Dutch police and forensic experts was forced to abandon attempts to reach the site on Monday due to the security situation in the area. It was the second failed attempt in as many days. The reason: ongoing incursions by the Ukraine army in nearby towns. In a statement on Monday, the Ukrainian military said it had "entered" the towns of Shakhtarsk and Torez and was working to seize control of Pervomaysk and Snizhne - all close to the crash site of MH17. Irrelevant of the facts, this too will be blamed on Putin.

And speaking of Putin, based on all the evidence (all of it in the "hearsay", "emotional appeal" and "YouTube clip" format ), the UN is already setting the stage to brand the Russian president a war criminal. And yet, somehow we doubt it will have any more success in bringing him to "justice" than the Iraqi people will have in getting Colin Powell to stand for trial over the US invasion over fabricated WMD "evidence."

What certainly won't help international tribunal matters is that overnight, the same Hague court where Putin will soon be tried in absentia, ruled on Monday that Russia must pay a group of shareholders in oil giant Yukos $51.6 billion for expropriating its assets, a big hit for a country teetering on the brink of recession.

The arbitration panel in the Netherlands said it had awarded shareholders in the GML group just under half of their $114 billion claim, going some way to covering the money they lost when the Kremlin seized Yukos, once controlled by Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

 

"The award is a slam dunk. It is for $50 billion, and that cannot be disputed," said Tim Osborne, director of GML. "It's now a question of enforcing it."

Good luck with that, because last time we checked Putin is not exactly "compliant" with arbitrary western propaganda decisions, unless of course it involves the capture of even more Crimeas in the process.

And speaking of Russian responses, remember those DigitalGlobe pics the US State Department presented as "evidence" of Russia's shelling of east Ukraine?

 

 

It didn't take long for Russia to promptly reject all of them outright as nothing but fakes. According to RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says not possible to establish authenticity of U.S. satellite photos alleging shelling from Russian into Ukrainian territory, citing spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

Photos already were shown by Kiev; fakes prepared by U.S. advisers; source of fakes lost in information “carousel,” said the Russian newswire.

So now what: clearly any evidence that one side presents will be promptly refuted as fake or propaganda by the other side and vice versa. The big question is who will arbitrate, especially if a real, impactful retaliation against Russia refuse to come (where are those Gazprom sanctions). With China so far clearly on the side of Russia the question remains very much unanswered.

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Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:09 | 5012033 JLee2027
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From a fake birth certificate to shelling, a natural progression.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:13 | 5012043 GetZeeGold
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What SS number are we using today?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:22 | 5012069 smlbizman
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vlad, just hit the red buttons already, we will all understand.....

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:25 | 5012072 GetZeeGold
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Anything Vlad can do to get a little heat off Obama's back would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:31 | 5012084 BigJim
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 So now what: clearly any evidence that one side presents will be promptly refuted as fake or propaganda by the other side and vice versa.

Tyler, please note: to 'refute' should mean 'to dsprove'. The word you're looking for here is 'denied'

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:49 | 5012128 Latina Lover
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The USSA will promote any and all lies to destroy Russia, enslave her population with debt, and  steal her resources.  At this point, Putin must realize that appeasing the West is a waste of time.  Even if Russia did not shoot the artillery shells, they should have.

USSA has declared war on Russia and is using the Ukraine as it's proxy. Time to take off the gloves, Mr. Putin.

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:55 | 5012159 Mister Ponzi
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"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.

Somehow, I am not holding my breath that those responsible for downing Iran Air 655, destroying the bridge at Varvarin or lynching Ghaddafi will be included in this statement...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:13 | 5012219 Hobbleknee
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How about all the children Bush and Obama have droned?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:19 | 5012230 svayambhu108
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Where we have seen before stray from the ”party-line” MSM news reports disapearing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:17 | 5012227 svayambhu108
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Propaganda is in full-throttle in Europe, and if you happen to not share the MSM view you are trolled by armys of trolls.
Where have we seen that before ?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:07 | 5012635 sushi
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Somehow, I am not holding my breath that those responsible for downing Iran Air 655, destroying the bridge at Varvarin or lynching Ghaddafi will be included in this statement...

 

Over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians agree with your sentiment.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:01 | 5012161 SamAdams
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"anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are." - Pillay

REALLY PILLAY???  I expect you to take your hypocritical staff to Palestine.  Take pictures of the complete lack of "rockets and launchers" at the UN School that was blown up by the Zionist terrorists, then levy charges against the REAL war criminals.  Until you do so, we cannot take you seriously or trust a word you say. 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:05 | 5012190 MeMongo
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Indeed Mr Adams! +100

Very hard to sromach the U.N  words when so many innocent Women and children are indeed being  "Wiped off of the Palestinian map"

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:20 | 5012725 JR
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The "He said, She said" has different weights. What the UN said is made up. What the US said is made up. What Russia is doing is providing evidence and asking questions that have not been refuted.

There is one overriding piece of evidence that trumps everything, in my opinion: and that is the Kiev government has taken control of all the communications from the Kiev airport tower and has not released them.

Imagine if there had been a plane crash in France and the Paris tower refused to release any of the communications with the airplane. It is a patent admission of guilt in my opinion. The whole world wants to know what happened, and Kiev will not cooperate. That’s the outstanding evidence; and the US is guilty because it does not insist on it.

And to release it now - after the charges have been made and there’s ample proof of doctoring audio transmissions in the past - is meaningless.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 11:33 | 5012802 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yeah, time to pin something nasty on Kiev.  Alas they don't have the same sociopathic bloodlust that Kiev and US does.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 17:52 | 5014727 Cap Matifou
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A certain Mr. AH endured many slaps in the face for years, until it was enough. The results are well known.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4td7xwO7uiI

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:53 | 5012346 Yes We Can. But...
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Declared

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:48 | 5012137 Winston Churchill
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Reggie is on Obozos back, so your saying the Heat is as well ?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:55 | 5012349 Cacete de Ouro
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Reggie Loves Boss Obama 

eh, sorry.., I mean, Reggie Love's Boss, Obama

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:23 | 5012053 stant
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The footage being played on us msn is unguided rocket fire. Like the old katyuska rockets from ww2. I what to see some old ill2 sturmoviks flying around too

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:49 | 5012142 richsob
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It's almost a war crime to even accuse the Russians of a war crime. Only Americans, Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Congolese, etc. ever commit war crimes. Russians are above such slovenly behavior.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:02 | 5012372 toady
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It's a war crime to even accuse the Americans of a war crime. Only Russians, Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Congolese, etc. ever commit war crimes. Americans are above such slovenly behavior.

fify

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:52 | 5012152 jay28elle
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...American's remain stupid and unwilling to look objectivly at facts.  What the MSM says is their truth.

"He who controls the media control the people"

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:59 | 5012178 richsob
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Unlike the Russian press.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:14 | 5012224 NOZZLE
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Hey ricksbob, congrats on your down arrow collection

 

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:26 | 5012269 richsob
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Thank you, Nozzle. I've seen this website devolve into a farce from all the propaganda that it is putting out. This used to be a place where readers could go for getting both sides of the story on many issues. But the recent spate of bullshit about the situation in Ukraine is daunting. There is no attempt being made whatsoever to present both sides of the issues. The Americans and the Russians are playing the same game. I enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of presenting only the Russian versions of current events. I'd do the same thing if this website reeked of rampant pro-Americanism instead. I have lived in both Russia and the United States and I have seen how it works in both countries. Have a good day.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:38 | 5012298 pods
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That's total BS. I have been here for a while, and this place has always been the dog nipping at the heels of the Amerikan propaganda machine.

It has always been about Tylers and what they wanted. 

Take your fair and balanced crap and stuff it.

Don't try and gimme that "both sides of the story crap," ZH has always been the other side of the story. The one that is not told in Western Media.

pods

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:56 | 5012357 Yes We Can. But...
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Thank you.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:00 | 5012367 JCDK
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"The proof of the pudding is in the eating".   That is the dominant "premise" of US thinking! Alas, they are spreading their disease worldwide!   Because the success of that would exactly "prove" their "thinking".   Crazy gangsters running the world!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 15:34 | 5014040 detached.amusement
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is this that whole "fuck the eu" thing coming to some modicum of fruition?

 

lol

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5012119 Took Red Pill
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Global Research is a great website!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:24 | 5012458 Sheikh_Speare
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I second that, Global research is a breath of fresh air compared to most other Canadian sites. Nice link lovemesumZero

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:51 | 5012495 surfsup
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No mention from witnesses of any white streak of smoke which in the case of the Buk would be vivid...  

 

   Its always funny to watch even the so called "alternative" media spout "Mh 17 shot down by..."  when there has been ZERO witnesses of such that it was even shot down?   Missles target engines and planes dont spew body parts and material when engines catch fire!   The old principle of monkey "telephone" is still at epidemic proportions.   These streaks caused by the BUK show up extremely well on satellite photos and would no doubt be used as evidence if such did occur.     Are people hard wired to be stupid as monkeys or have they been educated to be that way?  Jury is still out on that one...  

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xROtIChEpWI

 

SAM launch from seen from a predator...  Satellites likely far clearer than this...    

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:11 | 5012037 joetunn
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"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.

Really? What about Israel, what about the US?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:13 | 5012045 rsnoble
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Those were unfortunate mistakes.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:28 | 5012078 Squid-puppets a...
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UN-fit to govern

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 09:41 | 5012309 medium giraffe
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They're about as good at spotting big fucking obvious war crimes as the Fed is spotting big fucking obvious bubbles.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:32 | 5012089 BigJim
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Didn't you get the Nuremberg memo? It's not a 'war crime' when we do it.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:33 | 5012094 ross81
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she did actually mention Israel a few days ago as having possibly committed war crimes but as usual there will be no action taken against either it or partner-in-crime US. No, these supranational organisations only ever achieve results against some African warlord or Serb general. Needless to say, said African or Serb HAS to have pissed off Washington at some stage!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:47 | 5012133 Took Red Pill
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Speaking of Israel, get yourself a free scholarship just for writing posts for them!

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/students-offered-schola...

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:12 | 5012040 JamesH
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When is the UN going to arrest Obama for the downing of MH-17?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:20 | 5012060 GetZeeGold
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Hopefully it will be after they move to Europe.......or South America......I'm not picky.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:16 | 5012042 raki_d
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Forget what everyone says. Why cant Mr.Putin the Superman himself just come out and issue a public statement : "Separatists have NOT downed MH-17 ! "

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:33 | 5012093 BigJim
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Because he doesn't know?

PS - Your avatar is very annoying. I like it.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:23 | 5012439 raki_d
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May be he can he can have his camp count the # of missiles left, cant he ?

If there is a Ukranian mole in his separatist camp that intentionally pressed the button how hard would that be to figure?

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:35 | 5012098 GetZeeGold
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Well.....he probably just didn't think about it.

 

Maybe you should call him and suggest it.

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:13 | 5012044 AdvancingTime
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 The area where the Malaysian passenger jet MH17 fell in Ukraine is a crash site not a crime site! Painting it as a crime site does not make it so. Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than the crash site or fields where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem. More on this topic in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 08:20 | 5012063 fonzannoon
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"I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem"

more on this topic that causes me nothing but anguish and despair by clicking on my link....

Thaaaaaanks!

Mon, 07/28/2014 - 10:12 | 5012409 toady
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The MSM started with the "crime scene", "criminal", "terrorist"meme iimmediately. It was just a matter of time before the UN started with this stuff.

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