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UN Says MH-17 Downing "May Be War Crime"; Russia Responds Photos Of Ukraine Shelling Are Fake
With the start of the new weeks, and with the MH-17 tragedy increasingly more distant and blurred, with no definitive evidence on either presented so far, with a stripped black box revealing nothing, and with the Air Traffic control recordings still in Ukraine secret service hands, the "He said, She said" is about to escalate to a fever pitch.
The UN launched the first salvo when it announced earlier today that the downing of Malaysia Airlines jet MH17 in eastern Ukraine may constitute a "war crime", according to UN human rights chief Navi Pillay says.
"This violation of international law, given the prevailing circumstances, may amount to a war crime," Ms Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said of the downing of MH17.
"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.
This is happening after a team of Australian and Dutch police and forensic experts was forced to abandon attempts to reach the site on Monday due to the security situation in the area. It was the second failed attempt in as many days. The reason: ongoing incursions by the Ukraine army in nearby towns. In a statement on Monday, the Ukrainian military said it had "entered" the towns of Shakhtarsk and Torez and was working to seize control of Pervomaysk and Snizhne - all close to the crash site of MH17. Irrelevant of the facts, this too will be blamed on Putin.
And speaking of Putin, based on all the evidence (all of it in the "hearsay", "emotional appeal" and "YouTube clip" format ), the UN is already setting the stage to brand the Russian president a war criminal. And yet, somehow we doubt it will have any more success in bringing him to "justice" than the Iraqi people will have in getting Colin Powell to stand for trial over the US invasion over fabricated WMD "evidence."
What certainly won't help international tribunal matters is that overnight, the same Hague court where Putin will soon be tried in absentia, ruled on Monday that Russia must pay a group of shareholders in oil giant Yukos $51.6 billion for expropriating its assets, a big hit for a country teetering on the brink of recession.
The arbitration panel in the Netherlands said it had awarded shareholders in the GML group just under half of their $114 billion claim, going some way to covering the money they lost when the Kremlin seized Yukos, once controlled by Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
"The award is a slam dunk. It is for $50 billion, and that cannot be disputed," said Tim Osborne, director of GML. "It's now a question of enforcing it."
Good luck with that, because last time we checked Putin is not exactly "compliant" with arbitrary western propaganda decisions, unless of course it involves the capture of even more Crimeas in the process.
And speaking of Russian responses, remember those DigitalGlobe pics the US State Department presented as "evidence" of Russia's shelling of east Ukraine?
It didn't take long for Russia to promptly reject all of them outright as nothing but fakes. According to RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says not possible to establish authenticity of U.S. satellite photos alleging shelling from Russian into Ukrainian territory, citing spokesman Igor Konashenkov.
Photos already were shown by Kiev; fakes prepared by U.S. advisers; source of fakes lost in information “carousel,” said the Russian newswire.
So now what: clearly any evidence that one side presents will be promptly refuted as fake or propaganda by the other side and vice versa. The big question is who will arbitrate, especially if a real, impactful retaliation against Russia refuse to come (where are those Gazprom sanctions). With China so far clearly on the side of Russia the question remains very much unanswered.
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From a fake birth certificate to shelling, a natural progression.
What SS number are we using today?
vlad, just hit the red buttons already, we will all understand.....
Anything Vlad can do to get a little heat off Obama's back would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
So now what: clearly any evidence that one side presents will be promptly refuted as fake or propaganda by the other side and vice versa.
Tyler, please note: to 'refute' should mean 'to dsprove'. The word you're looking for here is 'denied'
You tell the truth like Ukranian fighter jets were using the plane as a shield and low and behold, it worked, win win for the west. The fighters don't get shot down, and then they can blame Russia for supplying the weapons which actually came from Lybia. Just admit it, we are the worst in every way.
The USSA will promote any and all lies to destroy Russia, enslave her population with debt, and steal her resources. At this point, Putin must realize that appeasing the West is a waste of time. Even if Russia did not shoot the artillery shells, they should have.
USSA has declared war on Russia and is using the Ukraine as it's proxy. Time to take off the gloves, Mr. Putin.
"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.
Somehow, I am not holding my breath that those responsible for downing Iran Air 655, destroying the bridge at Varvarin or lynching Ghaddafi will be included in this statement...
How about all the children Bush and Obama have droned?
Where we have seen before stray from the ”party-line” MSM news reports disapearing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro
Propaganda is in full-throttle in Europe, and if you happen to not share the MSM view you are trolled by armys of trolls.
Where have we seen that before ?
Somehow, I am not holding my breath that those responsible for downing Iran Air 655, destroying the bridge at Varvarin or lynching Ghaddafi will be included in this statement...
Over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians agree with your sentiment.
"anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are." - Pillay
REALLY PILLAY??? I expect you to take your hypocritical staff to Palestine. Take pictures of the complete lack of "rockets and launchers" at the UN School that was blown up by the Zionist terrorists, then levy charges against the REAL war criminals. Until you do so, we cannot take you seriously or trust a word you say.
Indeed Mr Adams! +100
Very hard to sromach the U.N words when so many innocent Women and children are indeed being "Wiped off of the Palestinian map"
The "He said, She said" has different weights. What the UN said is made up. What the US said is made up. What Russia is doing is providing evidence and asking questions that have not been refuted.
There is one overriding piece of evidence that trumps everything, in my opinion: and that is the Kiev government has taken control of all the communications from the Kiev airport tower and has not released them.
Imagine if there had been a plane crash in France and the Paris tower refused to release any of the communications with the airplane. It is a patent admission of guilt in my opinion. The whole world wants to know what happened, and Kiev will not cooperate. That’s the outstanding evidence; and the US is guilty because it does not insist on it.
And to release it now - after the charges have been made and there’s ample proof of doctoring audio transmissions in the past - is meaningless.
Yeah, time to pin something nasty on Kiev. Alas they don't have the same sociopathic bloodlust that Kiev and US does.
A certain Mr. AH endured many slaps in the face for years, until it was enough. The results are well known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4td7xwO7uiI
Declared
Reggie is on Obozos back, so your saying the Heat is as well ?
Reggie Loves Boss Obama
eh, sorry.., I mean, Reggie Love's Boss, Obama
The footage being played on us msn is unguided rocket fire. Like the old katyuska rockets from ww2. I what to see some old ill2 sturmoviks flying around too
It's almost a war crime to even accuse the Russians of a war crime. Only Americans, Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Congolese, etc. ever commit war crimes. Russians are above such slovenly behavior.
It's a war crime to even accuse the Americans of a war crime. Only Russians, Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Congolese, etc. ever commit war crimes. Americans are above such slovenly behavior.
fify
...American's remain stupid and unwilling to look objectivly at facts. What the MSM says is their truth.
"He who controls the media control the people"
Unlike the Russian press.
Hey ricksbob, congrats on your down arrow collection
Thank you, Nozzle. I've seen this website devolve into a farce from all the propaganda that it is putting out. This used to be a place where readers could go for getting both sides of the story on many issues. But the recent spate of bullshit about the situation in Ukraine is daunting. There is no attempt being made whatsoever to present both sides of the issues. The Americans and the Russians are playing the same game. I enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of presenting only the Russian versions of current events. I'd do the same thing if this website reeked of rampant pro-Americanism instead. I have lived in both Russia and the United States and I have seen how it works in both countries. Have a good day.
That's total BS. I have been here for a while, and this place has always been the dog nipping at the heels of the Amerikan propaganda machine.
It has always been about Tylers and what they wanted.
Take your fair and balanced crap and stuff it.
Don't try and gimme that "both sides of the story crap," ZH has always been the other side of the story. The one that is not told in Western Media.
pods
Thank you.
"The proof of the pudding is in the eating". That is the dominant "premise" of US thinking! Alas, they are spreading their disease worldwide! Because the success of that would exactly "prove" their "thinking". Crazy gangsters running the world!
is this that whole "fuck the eu" thing coming to some modicum of fruition?
lol
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/27/notes-on-mh17/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631
Global Research is a great website!
I second that, Global research is a breath of fresh air compared to most other Canadian sites. Nice link lovemesumZero
No mention from witnesses of any white streak of smoke which in the case of the Buk would be vivid...
Its always funny to watch even the so called "alternative" media spout "Mh 17 shot down by..." when there has been ZERO witnesses of such that it was even shot down? Missles target engines and planes dont spew body parts and material when engines catch fire! The old principle of monkey "telephone" is still at epidemic proportions. These streaks caused by the BUK show up extremely well on satellite photos and would no doubt be used as evidence if such did occur. Are people hard wired to be stupid as monkeys or have they been educated to be that way? Jury is still out on that one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xROtIChEpWI
SAM launch from seen from a predator... Satellites likely far clearer than this...
"Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are," Ms Pillay said.
Really? What about Israel, what about the US?
Those were unfortunate mistakes.
UN-fit to govern
They're about as good at spotting big fucking obvious war crimes as the Fed is spotting big fucking obvious bubbles.
Didn't you get the Nuremberg memo? It's not a 'war crime' when we do it.
she did actually mention Israel a few days ago as having possibly committed war crimes but as usual there will be no action taken against either it or partner-in-crime US. No, these supranational organisations only ever achieve results against some African warlord or Serb general. Needless to say, said African or Serb HAS to have pissed off Washington at some stage!
Speaking of Israel, get yourself a free scholarship just for writing posts for them!
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/students-offered-schola...
When is the UN going to arrest Obama for the downing of MH-17?
Hopefully it will be after they move to Europe.......or South America......I'm not picky.
Forget what everyone says. Why cant Mr.Putin the Superman himself just come out and issue a public statement : "Separatists have NOT downed MH-17 ! "
Because he doesn't know?
PS - Your avatar is very annoying. I like it.
May be he can he can have his camp count the # of missiles left, cant he ?
If there is a Ukranian mole in his separatist camp that intentionally pressed the button how hard would that be to figure?
Well.....he probably just didn't think about it.
Maybe you should call him and suggest it.
The area where the Malaysian passenger jet MH17 fell in Ukraine is a crash site not a crime site! Painting it as a crime site does not make it so. Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than the crash site or fields where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem. More on this topic in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html
"I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem"
more on this topic that causes me nothing but anguish and despair by clicking on my link....
Thaaaaaanks!
The MSM started with the "crime scene", "criminal", "terrorist"meme iimmediately. It was just a matter of time before the UN started with this stuff.
I don't know why so many are down arrowing your post. Can't stand expressed empathy I guess.
Something eerie: MH-17 (9M-MRD) had its maiden flight on 7/17/1997 and was shot down on 7/17/2014, 17 years to the day.
Almost fully deprecated...
And Kevin Bacon is 7 times removed from EVERY PERSON on that plane. Mind blown.
And what about those artillery craters on the Russian side of the border??
Washington would say the Russians did it.
We'll be blowing up the uss maine to grab cuba and shift public opinion horribly against spain, are you in?
these soft pants pink pussy western fanboys are gonna go toe to toe with the russians?
run home to momma sissyboys; you have no clue how brutal the rus can be.
So True, most "Westerners" would not survive 1 week on the streets of Russia today, never mind going to war with them. Those people are savage(for all both good and bad that implies).
your wong soldier dem russian weres cardboard uniforms and need organic vegtables to fight.
we in der homelands can survive for weeks wid gmo corn syrup and golden grahams we have der beliefs der wills and above alls jesus on arse sides.
we maybes clinicals obese and have flat feet buts dat is perfects for the fightin in der russian winters in many ways i feels sorry for dem putnik conscripts day gonna get some wipe ass american style plus are friends in israel real good at killin woman and childrens
Who is General Randy Kee, who travels in Nuland's entourage and whom the Russians blame for the manufacture of the photos?
http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108465/m...
A mid-ranking mafioso in a shiny uniform?
This moronity continues unabated.
Could somebody define what 'evidence' is?
People, 'evidence' is presented in courts for judges to make a decision.
Nobody here has the capability to judge from pictures on zerohedge.
This is propaganda war, pure and simple
"This is propaganda war, pure and simple"
yes, indeed... and not anything to do with fact, or dare I say, the truth, for we live in 'zaman fitan'... the age of lies
Clearly whoever lies the best is gonna win this thing.
Personally, I'd like to think the onus is on the general public to ascertain whether something is believable or not, whether it's fiction or fact... but having said that, I also ackowledge I'm (merely) referring to Joe Citizen here, for what it's worth... and there in lays the rub.
"evidence' is presented in courts for judges to make a decision."
NO IT IS NOT!
War crimes,...eh! What about the bombing of;
Bagdad, Serbia, Lybia, Syria, Gaza, Afganistan, Yemen and,.....
lets not forget the real perpetraitors of 9/11.
Ah yes! Who ever did 9/11, the UN should investigate and prosecute.
Honestly this farce has went too far, people died in that plane. No ne believes the west anymore
The scary part is shooting down planes have become in style
Honestly this farce has went too far, people died in that plane. No ne believes the west anymore
The scary part is shooting down planes have become in style
Good, this stuff only works when people go along with it. All so much nonsense. I see alot of people no longer buying it. However many still do. Its a lot to swallow for many people who are so called USA Patriotic.
Yeah, like my elderly US vet father, who recently invited me to move to Russia when I noted that I find Putin in general to be at least as believable as Obama
Except that the people in the west are still believing it.
What I find interesting is that this admin finally has been able to get their arms around a 'situation' that is agreed to by both sides, instead of split down party line. It will be leveraged to the hilt in order to build support for this president, even if that means some very very ugly things to support these UN findings and to stop Putin.
Maybe in the US,
The people overseas aren't buying it , whatever their govt.'s are saying.
Sudden Debt on this board seems typical of what I'm hearing from friends and relatives in
europe.Even my Dutch friends knows this is all US bullshit, now a little time has passed..
Fool me once shame on you .......
What are you talking about? Both sides always agree to more war.
Lookup TWA800, The JFK Jr. crash, and the Watergate plane crash.
http://www.amazon.com/TWA-Flight-800-Kristina-Borjesson/dp/B00FWLG2MM
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Legacy-II-John-Kennedy/dp/B00JRZ14UO
http://www.rense.com/general12/sabo.htm
The US is bizarre in its attempt to try and get at Russia, using its patsy the UN, trying to bully European countries, faking evidence...covering up the Ukrainian false flag murder of 300 people in MH17 ... and now a war criminal?
Have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the US, the biggest warmonger and cause of civilian deaths since WW2. Maybe we should start counting up how many deaths the US adminsitration has caused since 1945 in its various wars and coups and false flag events in its campaign for oil and hegemony.
That would lead to the whole USA being cited as a multiple war criminal country. The US might defend itself by saying...that the $2trillion it gave to defense countries was good for employment...so these wars were just so many economic broken windows.
Seems not to be one MSM out there with the guts to tell the truth (those that are not owned by war monger friends)
Couldn't agree more Kina. And look what is waiting in the wings in the Senate: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2277/text
This bill was assigned to a congressional committee on May 1, 2014, which will consider it before possibly sending it on to the House or Senate as a whole. The text of the bill below is as of May 01, 2014 (Introduced).
This Act may be cited as the Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014 .
Table of contents
Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.
Sec. 2. Definitions.
TITLE I—Reinvigorating the NATO alliance
Sec. 101. Strengthening United States assistance and force posture in Europe and Eurasia.
Sec. 102. United States efforts to strengthen the NATO alliance.
Sec. 103. Expanded support for Poland and the Baltic states.
Sec. 104. Accelerating implementation of European and NATO missile defense efforts.
Sec. 105. Strengthened United States-German cooperation on global and European security issues.
TITLE II—Deterring further Russian aggression in Europe
Sec. 201. United States policy toward Russian aggression in Europe.
Sec. 202. Sanctions to address continuing aggression of the Russian Federation toward Ukraine.
Sec. 203. Additional sanctions in the event of increased aggression by the Russian Federation toward Ukraine or other countries.
Sec. 204. Limitation on Russian access to United States oil and gas technology.
Sec. 205. Diplomatic measures with respect to the Russian Federation.
Sec. 206. Support for Russian democracy and civil society organizations.
TITLE III—Hardening Ukraine and other European and Eurasian states against Russian aggression
Sec. 301. Military assistance for Ukraine.
Sec. 302. Sense of Congress on intelligence sharing with Ukraine.
Sec. 303. Major non-NATO ally status for Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova.
Sec. 304. Expanded security force training, assistance and defense cooperation with key non-NATO states.
Sec. 305. Expediting natural gas exports.
Sec. 306. European and Eurasian energy independence.
Sec. 307. Crimea annexation nonrecognition.
Sec. 308. Support for democracy and civil society organizations in countries of the former Soviet Union.
Sec. 309. Expanded broadcasting in countries of the former Soviet Union.
Section 303 bypasses the UN in making Ukraine, Modavia and Georgia allys of the U.S. so that we can send in U.S. troops without having to consult with NATO - WTF!!!!
Who sponsored that one?
McPain and Miss Lindsay?
Neocons for $200 Alex:
Sponsors of S. 2277 - Mr. Corker (for himself, Mr. McConnell, Ms. Ayotte, Mr. Hoeven, Mr. Blunt, Mr. Rubio, Mr. McCain, Mr. Cornyn, Mr. Graham, Mr. Kirk, Mr. Barrasso, Mr. Risch, Mr. Coats, Mr. Roberts, Mr. Inhofe, Mr. Portman, Mr. Alexander, Mr. Thune, Mr. Isakson, Mr. Hatch, Mr. Flake, Mr. Johnson of Wisconsin, and Mr. Burr) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations
The State Dept. needs to just STFU already. It's credibility has long since ceased to exist.
In Jen Psaki i do not trust.
Revolting personified.
Maybe the UN ought to take a look at civilian casualities from drone strikes if they really care about war crimes.
Perfect.
" ....bringing him to "justice" than the Iraqi people will have in getting Colin Powell to stand for trial over the US invasion over fabricated WMD "evidence."
i thought Rumsfeld was the guy, withhis known unknowns and unknown unknowns.
Or the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, vice versa.
Not just Colin Powell.
GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, Richard Perle, William Krystal, Robert Kagan etc should all be arrested, charged, tried and executed for war crimes.
I believe killing journalists, wedding parties and kids by US drones is not a crime....an accident, they thought they were the enemy. Hypocriscy. The US wonders why its 'allies' have had a gut full of it.
I don't think anyone claims these were accidents, rather 'unavoidable' collateral damage.
I believe Putin like I believe any KGB.
But you believe Zero and the UN.
You believe Anything anti West, so what's your point.
The U.S has a long history of fabricating evidence in order to start a war. I suppose you believe the b.s that has come from the various administrations in order to protect the petro dollar.
"Gulf of Tonkin."
"Bay of Pigs"
"USS Maine"
I was there for the Gulf of Tonkin and that was BS.
The Bay of pigs is not an example. The US decided NOT to support the exiled Cubans at the beachhead after saying they would. I was on the beach... in Miami then.
USS Maine = it worked then why not for Viet Nam.
Let me know when the UN/US/Europe attacks without heavy provocation and I'll believe the ZH haters. The US is broke the UN is weak and Europe is not going to do a damn thing in Any case. The US has no money to buy allies anymore and China is not going to finance the US military machine ever again.
Russia has no need of Uke' shale but they would like there satellite country back to cushion the border of Mother Russia. It would make Putin look like macho man.
If "...The US has no money to buy allies..." then why did the spend billions in ukraine and other countries fomenting the overthrow of governments? Maybe being "exceptional" means others don't have to be considered as they must be unexceptional and the US knows best, with us or against us - why can't people disagree without being against us?
When Gorby allowed the wall to come down it was agreed Nato would not be expanded up to the borders of russia, however the EU and Nato have relentlessly been expanding ever since. Given russia's history of being invaded of course they want to feel secure and not constantly threatened by a Nato that spends many times what they spend on defence. The vast majority of people in russia & ukraine (and most everywhere i have ever been) are like us they want to peacefully get on with their lives and do their best for themselves and their kids.
The US would scream blue murder if all neighbouring countries were armed by an alliance that was against them and were surrounded by bases.
I agree with everything you said.
I am saying the West did not shoot down the plane and they are not fucking with the flight recorders and Maybe not the Artillery photos. The US does not have the will or the money to put US Army boots on the ground. As much as the US dislikes Putin they believe him to be someone they can work with. Just like any dictator the US finds useful.
I don't like Nazis being coddled by the West either or Bidens son running an oil company there just like I don't like the ZH made up bullshit. I'll call it like I see it and down arrows be damned.
The US does not have the will or the money to put US Army boots on the ground...
But Kiev is currently under the influence of US military advisors and has been for some time. This incident could not have occurred without foreknowledge, yet alone coordination to bring about a predetermined outcome. Paul Craig Roberts has a valid point in observing the 5:45 AM, US PST Sunday release of "State Department Evidence" to social media outlets as more than just a little bit suspect. Only to see the "evidence" not being claimed by the "offficial" US State department, but having any questions as to the photos being directed back to the same US military advisors currently in theatre.
imo.
Libya - what was the provocation?
What difference does it make?
The US may be theoretally broke but until the dollar crashes it is not actually broke, it can just print or electronically issue as many dollars as it likes, at no cost to itself, to buy as many favours or products as it wants from around the world.
That is the power having your own reserve currency gives you.
As a consequence, the easiest, quickest and cheapest way for the 'US' to win this particular civil war would be to give 50k USD to every Russian speaking 18+ Ukrainian male who agreed to a re-unified country plus the same to any family with a dead member (all Ukrainians including soldiers of both sides). Western Ukrainians may not like it but I suspect it would be 'job done'.
The NWO sure has a hard on for Putin. They don't even consider the fact that it may have been anybody else but Russia. As for war crimes, I wonder if the UN considers the use of white phosphorous on civilians a war crime.
The enemy of my enemy.
Stalin's minor indiscretions,killing millions in peacetime , sure didn't bother the US
when he was the ony one with boots on the ground against Hitler.
Seems Uncle Scam learned a lot, or maybe not.
Isreal violated that one, using it in a undeclared war.
They have not declared war, just initiated a military action.
Mind you what has been happening in the Middle East is not a war crime, and those funding it are not accessories, it is just "Very Worrying (TM)(C)".
FUCK YOU UN, YOU MEAN NOTHING
the UN knows that any resolution condemning israel will be vetoed by uncle sam.
That's Victoria Nuland's copyrighted phrases, I think. "Fuck the EU", "Fuck the UN", "Fuck Russia", "Fuck Ukraine", and "Fuck American Dissenters" ...
Well... wasn't the U.S. spraying 17 million gallons of dioxin on civilians in Vietnam a "war crime"?
what about the millions of tone of bombs dropped on Laos in the secret undeclared war, does that count?
OK lets just cut the chase which is where the US is heading.... nuclear war.
I think the fact is the US is trying to declare war on Russia. It needs Germany and others to come on board then it is done. If that point is reached...Russia will not sit peacefully. And that will mean pain for everybody, including everybody in the US, they wont avoid the suffering this time around.
In reality the US is tryly fucked. Economically and strategically. It has this war machine....however just a few explosions in Saudi oil fields and others.....spikes oil by multiples...and nukes the US economy once and for all.
Germany will not join the Termited States against Russia.
The USA will find itself to be the bad bank of the West.
Major downsizing coming.
War crimes! ROFLMAO. Oh man oh man. Where to even begin.
The plane was used as a shield by U fighter jets and was shot down.
Who's to blame?
Why, The International Termites, of course.
Oh and Tyler, you gotta get on this story. The Bolshies raping Russia for another $50bn.
Former Yukos shareholders awarded $50bn in damages against Russiahttp://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f5824afa-1623-11e4-8210-00144feabdc0.html...
kind of spooky timing yes no
what are the chances of that A : )
It’s what Bastiat said: The law is used for plunder.
""Every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are.......well, except for Israel."
FIFY
....or backdoor barry blowing up weddings. they may have a lot of us citizenisms hornswaggled, but the rest of the world knows the score.
And mr Ed is going to see mr modi.
hahhahahaha, India has great relations with the kremlin, they would not throw that away for anything. Xi already has them lined up for his and Vlad's New Banking Adventure.
India has a total of 2,000,000 in their forces and Russian Armor plus unused French stuff. They do not need mr ed.
I am waiting for an oil agreement between Russia and India. Russia could be in the catbird's seat selling marketable goods to the growing Indian markets. The US should be doing that, but no, retarded politicians have sold us out.
Xi wants India to join the Brick Bank. That means they will be willing to settle in some form their common border snafu.
Modi should scarf up computer tech and introduce nsa-proof software.
Remember, that througout history, the definition of a 'war crime' has ALWAYS been decided by the guys left that are still holding the guns ( or swords, or clubs, or sharp pointy sticks).
Indiscriminate drone attacks are war crimes, too. This is a black pot(head) calling the kettle out, which has not been droning anyone we know of.
4/8/x4
Beware August 4. Study your history boys and girls.
August 4, 1914.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/timeline_of_world_war_one.htm
UK/ Anglo Empire (Australia, Canada, NZ etc.) declares War on Germany.
August 4, 1964 (50 Years Later)
2nd - and telling - Gulf of Tonkin Incident. (False Flag)
US Congress passes the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution essentially allowing the US to intervene militarily in Vietnam.
August 4, 2014 (????? Next week).
Wouldn't you know it, that fabulous day is rolling around again in a week's time.
What's the hurry this time? Well, less than a week later Erdogan is likely to be elected Turkish President (August 10, 2014). As has been well documented, he is not at all friendly with the US at the moment is he.
If he is elected, there is a good chance he will in short order pull Turkey out of NATO and potentially block US access to the Black Sea. As well as close down NATO airforce bases on Turkish soil. Incirlik, Izmir. Not easy to do quickly - according to this article there are 24 NATO bases in Turkey. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-s-eastern-anchor-24-nato-bases-in-turk...).
Well - better get on with the False Flags. I'm sure there are a whole suite of them ready to go. In fact, they are testing some at the moment. The airliner shootdown was just one out of the playbook. Operation Northwoods anyone?
The next one is clearly pinning the Russians as having displayed naked agression against Ukraine by way of attacking Ukraine. This will allow Obama et al to claim they need to urgently support Ukraine by supplying heavy weaponry to Kiev, including putting NATO troops on the ground.
You watch - its coming. If not next Monday - on one of the favourite days out there for this sort of thing, one would have to suspect sometime in August, or at the latest September.
"Today, Polish, err, uhh, Russian troops launched an attack on a German, err, uuhh, Ukrainian radio station. I must axe the Reichstag, err, Congress for permission to Blitkreig Pol-uhhh, Russia."
In the satanic holidays, August 3 kicks off the kicks off the satanic reveals leading up to August 24th fire festival.
It is September the 7th that worries me however, as that is marriage to the beast day.
I guess the US is no different to China or Russia, its democracy is the choice of twins owned by the same oligarchs for whom they work.
Its 'rule of law' doesn't apply to elites, oligarchs, banksters, corrupt regulators, police etc.... only to ordinary people. In effect a lawless country where 'law' is purely a means to manage the servants.
Lies are truth and the MSM the toy of the Govt. It is a fully captured system beyond anybody's control.
Nothing anybody can do at all, except sit back and watch where these corrupt and greedy oligarchs lead countries and the fate of the planet.
Find somewhere safe, stay alert, store food, fuel, bullion and notes...and hope everything passes you by.
'Fake': Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims
Russia’s Defense Ministry has stated that “fake” satellite images of alleged shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory were created by US counselors “with close links to Ukraine’s Security Council.”
The authenticity of the images is impossible to prove, the ministry added.
The Defense Ministry stated that the images posted by the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter account, allegedly proving the shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, are “fake,” ITAR-TASS reports.
“These materials were posted to Twitter not by accident, as their authenticity is impossible to prove – due to the absence of the attribution to the exact area, and an extremely low resolution. Let alone using them as ‘photographic evidence’,” Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the ministry, stated.
“Pictures” like this, the general continued, “have also been provided by Kiev representatives as an excuse for the usage of heavy artillery and other weaponry by the Ukrainian army – against the country’s civilian population.”
http://rt.com/news/176120-fake-ukraine-images-defence/
It's not the first time the US government has used fake photos, nor will it be the last time.
The photoshopped picture of Osama bin Laden "killed by SEALS in Pakistan" was a big joke among the computer savvy, but the mainstream media shut it out.
The photoshopped "birth certificate" of Obama was a big joke, and again the mainstream media ignored it.
NASA's fake moon-landing photos are still being used today as "proof" that US astronauts all "landed on the moon and returned safely to earth".
Picture taken a few days before in Donesk of a convoy where one can clearly see a missile launcher BUK
http://www.lefigaro.fr/photos/2014/07/21/01013-20140721ARTFIG00278-24-he...
It's the third photo
Launchers are nice.
The SA11 is useless without tellars , the master radars, have any photos of those ?
Three would be ideal, but two will work, the third is just in case.
You also need very well trained personel to operate them.
They are not "fire and forget" weapons like manpads.
Only one side has all three, and its not the Federalists.
They also have motive.
Picture taken a few days before in Donesk of a convoy where one can clearly see a missile launcher BUK
http://www.lefigaro.fr/photos/2014/07/21/01013-20140721ARTFIG00278-24-he...
It's the third photo
...except that is most certainly NOT a BUK in the picture. It's probably a Strela 10M3, fielded by both Ukraine and Russia.
Am far more inclined to side with Russia on any of this. The way the Uncle Sam wanted to go to war with Syria based on bogus evidence and the way they lie to all of us about everything ... you can bet their pics are fake and it would be easy money.
Fuck off and die, Uncle Sam.
Not only the Russians claim that this is fake, also Paul Craig Roberts confirms it.
One explanation is that kids, unaware of the seriousness of the matter, concocted a hoax for fun.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/27/another-state-department-hoax...
Not arguing Roberts will provide decent information from time to time but you need to look at his MO. Washington is the center of the New World Order and calling all of the shots. That how he gets paid, he deflects attention from the City of London who is which is in effect passing on orders to Washington from Rome and Tel Aviv.
Paul is still a cheap republican hack.
His master in London does not issue the euro or the dollar. He can't write a column without the Washington this or Washington that meme. He hears his master's call and receives his pay check.
Agree, we need to look with a jaundiced eye on all sources and see if they continue to hold up. But even a hack may reach his limit of endurance at all the double standards and lying propaganda. Roberts has had several good things to say, including this latest analysis.
Why didn't the State Department bring this out in a big press conference? The press would eat it up, and indeed the press did swallow the tweet hook line and sinker. NPR this morning repeated it as the latest news story about Ukraine. It is getting more blatant that our media picks up press releases and tweets and makes them the main story without even checking.
The Kiev regime's military forces have already killed far more civilians by intentionally shelling populated cities with unguided missiles. No comments by the selectively-indignant bitch Navi Pillay about that.
The downing of the of the plane was likely an accident.
Israel has intentionaly wiped out entire neighborhoods in Gaza, knowing full well many hundreds of civilians would die as a result. No comments by the selectively-indigant bitch Navi Pillay on that actual wrar crime, either.
The UN is now just a lackey of the genocidal US & its Western puppets.
This intervention is cover to prevent a solid Crimea analysis and separate set of measures
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Ukranian lives for Ukranian land bitchez
This morning's propaganda has exceeded laughable levels.
I'd say that the West is more desperate than ever to start another war, most likely to "save" the dollar and the control it provides to the western oligarchy at essentially zero cost.
The East has time on their side. A million or so freezing Europeans will make sanctions go away. As the demand for dollars to settle international contracts continues to fall, the tidal wave of inflation the US has been exporting (Panama, etc...) will come rushing back. Although mitigated by low demand and declining wages in discretionary goods and services, the initial effects are already being felt by Main Street in essentials (water, food, shelter, electrical power, fuel, etc..) and taxes.
Considering that the East's attempts at diplomacy and reason have been tossed aside by a arguably hysterical West. The East may soon realize that an irrational West is more of a threat than entertaining irritant and eliminate the West's ability to meddle.
The West, in their usual "next quarter's profits" mindset, may think they are starting a long "regionally limited" war to save the dollar and increase employment while providing corporate welfare to it's military-industrial-security complex.
The East, thinking of what is best for their children and grandchildren, strategy may be to "win the battle before going to the battlefield" and eliminate the source of the Western Oligarchs power - no cost US Dollars; by making the US Dollar worthless.
It really sucks to realize that being a productive US citizen makes me one of the "bad guys" in this comedic tragedy. Taxes paid given to a foreign nation slaughtering children in Gaza, taxes paid for domestic government thugs to kill suspects, dogs and incinerate infants, taxes paid going to bribe foreign officials, etc... Vomit. We may have been the "good guys" at some point in our history, but ignorance, propaganda, whitewash and spin can not remove the blood stains from our hands today.
The only thing to do is limit individual production to the absolute minimum until the Western Oligarchs (crony-capitalists and their political minions) are defeated and hope that a peaceful and productive republic can be rebuilt from our ashes.
so 3 of 5 owners of gml group now live in Israel. how about an article fairly and honestly discussing how and why it was that in a country where the Jewish population is under 2%, the vast majority of the oligarchs who benefited from the Yeltsin fire sale were Jewish. any chance therr was a consoiracy to steal the Russian people's wealth, and that not all the 'canards' are false?
http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-N99VQF6JTSEC01-3JKUTCJEEL...
russians have wwII stalingrad in DNA and no western skullduggery can overcome that.
The disinformation has morphed from Russia or anti-Kiev revolutionaries downed the Mh-17 flight to
Russia firing "something" into Ukraine "proof."
The hope is the sheeple will accepting that Russia fired something into Ukraine
will meld with Russia shot down MH-17....
Nothing but propaganda U.S. side and best of all most Americans are not noticing and if they do
don't care. Mass media should re-check their ratings...news in particular. Its summer and no
one is watching the News in U.S. -such a waste of disinformation. And so incompetent.
The most pathetic hollow pretense ever.
The war crime is Kiev fighters using passenger planes as human shields...
Ukraine Kiev, first class scum it looks like.
Figures, we only back first class scum, fascists, dictators and genociders.
Whose up next?
Fake photos.
No carrier wheel tracks, blast marks pointing opposite direction.
USA is really struggling to get its war. Germany had it much easier with its Gleiwitz incident: one dead guy and a mildly damaged radio tower.
I guess it really was simpler times back then. #Sentimental
I don't give the US a 'pass'.
I don't give the EU a 'pass'.
I don't give China a 'pass'.
Why shouldn't I be skeptical of Russia too?
America has surrendered its sovereignty to the internationalists.
Navi Pillay is a feminist and a racist with a gender ideology. Americans will get no better justice than the force that delivers it; in this case the judge and jury have already picked the guilty (Putin). And to administer the charges, there can be no less just “judge” than this one.
Pillay was nominated by Nelson Mandela in 1995, the year after the African National Congress came to power, to serve on the High Court of South Africa. As judge of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda she is “best remembered for her role in the landmark trial of Jean-Paul Akayesu, which established that rape and sexual assault could constitute acts of genocide.”
She faithfully served a man whose race-based employment regime specifically targeted whites and expropriated white-owned property without compensation, while nationalizing key industries owned by Whites.
It is appropriate to her idea of “freedom” that as High Commissioner of the UN she signed a document "BORN FREE AND EQUAL", a document on sexual orientation and gender identity in international human rights. Pillay also voiced support for a gay rights resolution in the UNHRC, which was approved in 2011.
Mandela's and Pillay's Lenin-like communist policies have resulted in scenes of skilled and highly educated Whites living in third-world squalor.in South Africa.
The Pro-Afrikaans Action Group accuses the international press (heavily Jewish) of playing a key role in the process. As for the extermination of Whites in South Africa both the press and Pillay remain largely silent.
Perhaps worst of all, Pillay has her law degree from Jewish-dominated Harvard University. "Her contribution to the 2001 Durban Conference on racism, the Goldstone report, and her steering of the UN Human Rights Council, have been criticized as unjust.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/in-jeopardy-future-of-white-south-africans/#hPyq0v9zMzsg3YGT.99
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navi_Pillay
Serial numbers on damaged plane parts and the Air Traffic Controller or gtfo.
Nobody gives a f about war crimes since Israel is now at the top of the list.