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US May Send Military Aid To Ukraine; Accuses Russia Of Violating Nuclear Arms Treaty With ICBM Launch
If the specter of the second cold war descending into outright smoldering status doesn't send the S&P promptly to all time highs, nothing will. Moments ago the White House accused Russia of violating the 1987 missile treaty, in response to a still unspecified ICBM launch, calling the "breach" a "very serious matter."
From Reuters:
In another sign of deteriorating relations between the United States and Russia, the U.S. government said on Monday that Moscow had violated the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces treaty, and urged immediate bilateral talks on the issue.
"This is a very serious matter which we have attempted to address with Russia for some time now," an administration official said in a statement.
"The United States will, of course, consult with allies on this matter to take into account the impact of this Russian violation on our collective security if Russia does not return to compliance," the official said. (Reporting
An administration official says the United States has notified Russia of its determination that it broke the agreement by testing a new ground-launched cruise missile. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.
The issue has simmered for a few years, but until Monday the United States had not made the accusation public. Russian officials say they have looked into the allegations and consider the matter closed.
And just so it is clear that the US is now picked the "escalation" of the prisoner's dilemma, also moments ago AGP reported that the US is now weighing the risks of aiding Ukraine militarily. Specifically, senior American military officers are discussing the possibility of "providing Ukraine with more precise intelligence that would allow it to target missiles held by pro-Russian forces, US officials said Monday."
But no decision is imminent and some officials are concerned such a move could backfire by escalating the conflict between Ukraine and the rebels backed by Moscow.
"That's part of the discussions," said one defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, referring to the possible enhanced intelligence sharing.
"It's all part of looking at how we can help the Ukrainians," the official told AFP. But he added there were risks in providing Ukrainian forces with information that could help them strike at pro-Russian fighters in the country's east.
The New York Times first reported that the Pentagon and spy agencies were looking at sharing more precise, real-time intelligence with Kiev to enable its military to go after surface-to-air missiles blamed for taking out several of its aircraft The White House has yet to hold a debate on the issue among high-level officials, the paper reported over the weekend.
A second Pentagon official downplayed the likelihood of the move and underlined the dangers involved.
"There's not enough military equipment that Washington could provide to counter Russian influence," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
"There's a risk that the more weapons we provide to the Ukrainians, the more Russians escalate and step up their role," the official said.
For the moment, President Barack Obama's administration has provided only limited intelligence to Ukraine and has avoiding supplying weapons to Kiev.
But the moment is about to end.
And now, sit back and enjoy as the wealth effect washes over you while halfway around the world the likelihood of war, as was hinted by a Putin advisor earlier, is looking increasingly realistic, conveniently on the 100th anniversary of the war to end all wars.
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Somebody is fuckin' crazy and it be "right here in River City."
They know a crash is around the corner and they need a war, simple as that.
USA dont care, any war is not in their back yard. If war takes down Europe, its to the benefit of the USA, less competition for Boeing and American arms manufacturers
This is Cloward-Piven at work.
Stretch the fabric to the breaking point causing a major "reset" of society.
Hey, Hillary did give the Russkies a "reset" button, no?
See, all planned
October freeze will make Russia's gas card a winner.
Desperate Neo-Con's trying hard to start war before Kiev freezes & Ukrainians make peace.
Slow & staedy, Vlad, time is on your side.
It is starting to look like the US is getting desperate here. And still no real proof of the US side of the story.
Helping the Ukraine is a big mistake. This crisis should be handled by the European vaseline-asses. Bitchez.
They really want World War 3
They are going to have to deliver a major war or these actions will ensure the end of the US/dollar/military hegemony.
The end is nigh.
My mother firmly believes the USA will nuke the planet before ever losing global dominance. I used to think it was emotional and outlandish but now I'm not so sure.
Pretty astute mom you have there.
Global dominance = tens of trillions of dollars wealth. Ain't going to be given up easily.
Next, Obama rumored to retaliate against Putin by prohibiting unionized federal employees from dating hot Russian girls online during work hours
Per FNC: State Dept says that Obama has sent a letter to Putin.
Whew, I'm relieved.
Europe will not go to war with Russia because of US urging. Period.
They were manipulated into doing it many time before, what makes you think this time will be different.
Because large parts of Europeans are well educated and independent thinkers. Even Germans and their Government understand that the US is playing tricks here but on the territory of Europe. The NSA scandal and miss Nuland proves the US is not an ally anymore of Europe. Without Germany sucking Europe into a war or a European banking union has no chance.
What part of dont get involved in a land war in Asia dont these assmaggots understand?
What I would say if I were Putin is Give us your evidence of the shoot down, or please, just shut up. Let’s have the evidence and let’s have it now. Else, please, do not make any more threats.
The US warmongers are using all this hubris to distract from the fact that they’ve got the shoot down wrong. First they tried to back off their original statements; and now they’re trying to distract by these charges, which the press will print, without evidence.
Putin needs to get stronger: up to now Putin has let his generals do the talking; it's time for him to do the talking. He needs to call a press conference. And say You know what? You guys are warmongering. There was a passenger jet shot down in this area and you are blaming people without the proof. Produce the proof or back off. The world is not interested in your war.
You may not be interested in war. But war is interested in you.
-- Leon Trotsky, 1919
You may not be interested in Ebola. But Ebola is interested in you.
-- Ebola, 2014
Nice! + 1
I always said that before nuclear war, the powers that be will use biological warfare to cull the herds, while they sit it out vaccinated and safe in their bunkers
it is almost unbelieveble that the US accuses russia of breaking the treaty by using crusie missiles when it has launched thousands of them and not as just a test but to kill and destroy.
You may not be interested in Ebola. But Ebola is interested in you.
-- The George Soros-Bill Gates Global Vaccine (and Virus Creation) Center, 2014
(fixed it for you)
Hmm cruise missiles are against a treaty -- I know, launch Russian drones!
Actually, the button said "overcharged" in Russian. A pretty spectacular f-up brought to you by Team Obama-Clinton.
Overcharged as in massive cosmic torus like burst amongst the very heavens.
Hah ha ha ha ha
Oh my....
Do have to hand it to Hilary, though.
She's cute as a button.
"They know a crash is around the corner and they need a war, simple as that."
If it were mid-December, I'd say it is only a matter of days before the U.S. accuses Russia of shooting down Santa Claus.
Joking aside, I wouldn't be a bit suprised to see a Russian false flag performed on some American "NGO" in Ukraine to get the war drums beating over here.
The War Pigs are ready to rock and roll, no doubt about it.
Rebel sources in Donetsk claim to have uncovered Kiev and CIA false flag terror attack plans to kill thousands and try and blame Pro Russian rebels. They issued public statements over media in Ukraine in order to try and stop the attacks, saying that making the threat public might cause the attacks to be put off.
They're ready to raise the price of fuel, take obscene profits and hide until the world is ready to accept their terms.
Putin Adviser says Nazis must be stopped. Especially their financiers in Washington DC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI
I'm a chickenshit, but the ol' ICBM scare the shit outta me. No one thinks about it any more, the cold war is over, blah blah blah, but the Russians aren't going through another great patriotic war. Anybody, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens, especially if they're U.S. or European backed, and they'll push the button and let the chips fall where they may.
Here you go for your nightmare SS-18. I trust the Russians more than Amerika. As long as Putin is in charge - there will be sanity in Russia. America has no sanity and is a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lw7oKhIu60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8a39agFjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuVBPxF3I8
There's no crash, pants!
"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter" President Cheney - 2004
Ok Tyler, this BobaFet type sock puppet you have come up with, aka Escreva Isaura, is really getting kind of lame. We all know you guys have a staff of a few guys that log in under different names and make posts to drive conversation, same tylers that also put up stories, but its getting ridiculous with some of the characters.
I'm still trying to figure out what crash pants are.
hobopants
Cosmos, you made your point.
Now, what do you have to offer?
Bring on more people so you're not so dry.
You ask that same stupid question in every post.
How ironic.
Cosmos, Thanks for pointing that out to the new guys, I didn't know what to make of it. I didn't know if it was a garden variety troll or a specialized one like "The Granger" on the Daily Paul.
“How people treat other people is a direct reflection of how they feel about themselves.” – Paulo Coelho, The Winner Stands Alone
A little self-reflection might be worthwhile here in the ZH Fight Club.
Escrava Isaura is probably not an American, and I certainly do not speak Portuguese (or whatever).
When I am in other countries, people are usually nice to me. How ironic that so many Americans here are treating a guest so poorly. Not all Americans are like that.
Nice timely quotation, Escrava. Coelho writes the truth.
DoChen,
Thanks to point out “Self-Reflection” and to “Write the Truth”.
Some at ZH Fight Club put me in an awkward position of defending Obama and the neocons.
Let me show (and prove) to you:
US presidents records since WW-2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWQtzB9jE8
Socialism, before the word became twisted by propaganda and especially US massmedia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PtLjwPZrE#t=1h20m16s%E2%80%9D
And the “Conservative Propaganda” of dumbing down President Reagan’s 288.5% deficit increase:
1980 US Debt: $930,210
ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121980.pdf
1988 US Debt: 2,664,392
ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121988.pdf
To put US deficit into perspective: Obama would have to run a deficit of about $38 trillion dollars to match Reagan’s.
Maybe the US Military and Pentagon might decide to defend The Constitution instead of their pensions. F them.
"might decide to defend The Constitution?" I doubt it, but good point.
Wait for your next contact on the road to Duschambe...
Dutch minister Frans Timmermans signs treaty to send armed 700 militairy and equipment today in Kiev. Commonwealth (Australia) and other nations (UK? Netherlands?)
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/trb-2014-135.html
This was done in secret, no mention of this on the official NOS State media. (It actually says NO armed personell at the bottom here)
http://nos.nl/artikel/680381-staakthetvuren-bij-rampplek.html
No mention of "negotiations with the seperatists and russians" as was mentioned by PM Rutte last friday. (which he said didn't happen to avoid a provocation)
How to set up a false flag: you only need a couple Academi guys in russian uniforms to attack these troops and you have a fucking world war.
Boy this news is probably going to bring the rebels in to sue for peace!
700 Dutch troops are on the way!
You mean the U.S. military is thinking about "publicly" announcing that they have been helping Ukraine militarily...
Bingo. And old man Yellen will have to "publicly" admit to stacking more printer cartridges.
When are they gonna talk "publicly" of impeachment and prosecution of the entire Executive branch for High Treason?
Any American parent who let's their kid join the US military is a fool. Maybe before but never again. American kids have been getting f**cked over and murdered since the Civil War.
If your kid dies in the military then you helped enabled it.
I agree however, the economic conditions are put in place to make it such a logical step.
I have a son living in the US and he cannot believe how difficult life there is to make ends meet. He reckons that when he goes to a shopping centre or, center as you guys expect it, he is the only non mexican there.
The military option will become more and more attractive as unemployment builds and builds. Which it will.
At this point a military coup would be great...if only Oboner hadn't fired all those ossifers and nuke launcher types. Is there anything ANYONE can do? Maybe have the military lay down their arms like the Ukies are doing and walk across the border? Especially seeing as no one is stopping anyone from crossing...**prays** **stocks up on iodine**
Ukraine's arsenal is likely getting low, as are the conscripts they can muster up. Apparently, the Rada tried to get a bill through that increased the eligible age to 50.
With regards to the arsenal itself, it's going to get hard to explain where exactly Ukraine is getting operational fighter jets, helicopters (not painted in UN colours) and GRAD rocket replacements (hint: Poland and the Baltic states). Soon, the US is going to have to come out and give cover for this kind of operation.
It's not gonna be easy, at least not covertly. The Russian MIC armed the Ukrainian forces. I doubt the US MIC can make their shit look like russki shit.
It'll be readily apparent when the US MIC shows up on the battlefield.
Hopefully the USA will send in F-35's that will teach the Russians a lesson. A lesson on how corrupt defense contractors and The Pentagon make defective and uesless shit while screwing taxpayers.
I wonder when the US military and Pentagon will ever defend The Constitution.
McCain came through for AZ by getting the F35 for Luke AFB. He saved the local economy. He's a true patriot.
Until those pieces of shit start falling out of the sky on the general public.
What is really going on here?
We may actually be watching a master SPOOS trader at work:
1) OBOZO opens a levered short position, oooooooh sayyyy about 200 contracts ($10,000/point!)
2) OBOZO has Kerry-OKE issue an ultimatium concerning Ukraine to Putin
3) Kerry-OKE has the adminstration press secretary drop a tape bomb on the markets, causing the SPOOS to fall like a rock
4) OBOZO waits for SPX to drop 30 - 40 pips short term (and mouths-off a little to Putin to push it down more if need be)
5) OBOZO and his shadow-trading/speculating buddies (Richie Rich and company) cash out their positions and bank the profits
...and you thought OBOZO was a crazy war-mongerer... shame on you!
OBOZO just might be one kick-ass trader...eh?
Bottom line: it's not about ideology or economics, it's about scheming PSYCHOPATHS!
PS: think this is a nonsense scenario? Read Peter Schweizer's book "extortion" and think again.
In case you missed it.
Strelkov: Saur-Grave destroyed mercenaries-Negros (28.07.2014)
Igor Strelkov at a press conference in Donetsk has released details of clashes in the area Saur-Grave.
According to the commander of militia of Donbass, the enemy, trying to seize a strategic height and release surrounded their formation, entered into battle a huge number of armored vehicles - about 200 - 250 units.
"As a result of fierce fighting, the most repulsed enemy attacks, - said I. Strelkov. Under Marinovka taken 3 officer Mat, 1 tank exploded and 2 APCS of the enemy. Stepanovka was left for us, the enemy attacks reflected. Saur-Grave in the hands of militia fighting continues".
The key for the last day events were at the height of 198,3 where punitive Kiev junta threw a large force of armored vehicles and infantry. Militiamen stood, holding the position, despite the loss. "Destroyed 4 tanks, 4 of APC, among the dead 4 Negro mercenary. The corpses on the battlefield, journalists can take video," summed up the results of the day at specific sector of the front Igor Strelkov.
If rebels can secure some foreign mercenary bodies or captives they have vowed to make it public. Perhaps this is the first release of information on Mercs.
The Lugansk militia captured a Swedish sniper last week. US MSM probably forgot to pick up the story.
Militia LNR caught Swedish neo-sniper (July 22)
The Lugansk militia of the people's Republic today detained the citizen of Sweden. A descendant of the Vikings, unfortunately, was not a tourist, main sights of the ancient land, and mercenary involved in punitive operations in the structure of nazvanii.
On it informs television channel "Star".
Funny coincidence: literally on the eve of the reporter Fausto Biloslavo of the Italian edition "Il Giornale" made the report on the training base of battalion "Azov", which shone our Swedish hero. He does not hide name - Michael Skill, does not hesitate profession sniper. He openly declares his Nazi views. Skill told that in the battalion "Azov" there are foreigners. Moreover, the division employs a special person who is engaged in the recruitment of nationals of other States.....
And today the Russian foreign Ministry demanded from the authorities of Sweden, Finland, Baltic States and France to conduct a thorough investigation of this fact. Check their citizens for participation in military actions against residents of the South-East of Ukraine.
And not just Urkaine. Send a bunch to Tel Aviv, as shrapnel could land there also.
"It's all part of looking at how we can help the Ukrainians"
If they really wanted to help Ukrainians, all they'd need to do is forget that Ukraine exists.
Is it Ukraine or The Ukraine?
Or is that just splitting hairs at this point?
When it was a part of USSR, it was The Ukraine. Kinda like The East Coast. Or The South.
So if we did the Barry Goldwater "Saw off the East Coast" then it'd just be East Coast.
Gotcha
I like Goldwater.
People back then thought he was a fucking wacko.
By today's standards he's a perfectly sane middle of the road kind of nice grandfatherly figure.
I miss those days.
Okay.., I keep referring to Ukraine as THE Ukraine. Can't help myself. I think this helps.
Both are failed states,
What difference,at this point, does it make ?
Is that you, little Ms Reset Button?
You don't want to touch Hitlary's reset 'button' unless your name is Yuma.
Certainly Bill prefers to avoid it.
There's no definative article in Ukrainian, or so I'm unreliably informed.
If one wishes to follow the usual courtesy of adhereing as closely as possible to the practises of the country, it would, therefore be just "Ukraine"
How they can help the zio oligarch billionaires and Yats central bank loot the Ukrainian people.
The US Military actually believes this shit? Didn't that moron, adulterer, traitor and douchbag General Petreaus have multiple masters degrees in douche baggery? Another fu**king 5'9" 4 star traitor and asshole.
I should have been a Cartographer.
Signed: 31 July 1991
Lisbon Protocol: Signed 23 May 1992
Entered into Force: 5 December 1994
Duration: 15 year duration with option to extend for unlimited five year periods, if all parties agree.
Expired: 5 December 2009
Parties: United States, Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
Although the entry into force of START I took more than three years, some important activities were conducted shortly after its signing, most notably exchange of data on strategic weapons and associated facilities, as well as inspections to verify data on technical characteristics of strategic missiles and implementation of provisions on test launches and telemetry exchanges.
START I had a duration of 15 years. Reductions mandated by the treaty were to be completed no later than seven years after its entry into force. Parties were then obligated to maintain those limits during the next eight years. In fact, both the United States and Russia continued reductions after reaching START I mandated limits. By the time of the treaty's expiration, their strategic nuclear arsenals were significantly below those stipulated in the treaty.
During the 1990s, the United States and Russia undertook several attempts to replace START I with a new treaty that would have provided for deeper reductions. The 1993 START II treaty never entered into force due to what Russia perceived as serious deficiencies of that treaty. Consultations on another treaty, sometimes referred to as START III, were conducted from 1997-2000 but ended without result. The Moscow Treaty provided for significantly lower limits on strategic weapons, but lacked verification and transparency provisions.
Treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on Strategic Offensive Reductions (START I)
START I remained in force until December 5, 2009. It contained the option of extending the treaty for five-year periods, but Washington and Moscow decided against extension — negotiations were already underway on a new, replacement treaty, and START I was allowed to expire.
http://www.nti.org/treaties-and-regimes/treaties-between-united-states-a...
Peace in our time.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/treaties/inf2.html
These fools could fuck-up a wet dream......
If the US is going to provide 'intelligence' to the Ukies let's hope it is better than 4 month old YouTube videos and blurred commercial satellite images.
With that kind of help, Kiev would say "thanks but no thanks" to that kind of help. Then again, these Kiev leaders aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
" US is going to provide 'intelligence'
Now that's funny. Tough to find these day's in Barry's crib.
Maybe that traitor AH General Petreaus can tell them where all the honey pot intel whores are at that shitty country club near Eglin AFB in Tampa.
When was Eglin moved to Tampa?
Hopefully the aid and help Kiev gets is better than the aid and help offered up to Libya and Iraq.
Connect the dots on Central Planning of war. The NY Times' economists point out the economic benefits of war. The media is a tentacle of the Beast. The sheeple are being instructed.
Yep, callin a top...lol.
Did they cross another "line"!?!
Wipe your shoes before you track that crap all over, Moe.
I know it looks like Catchup, but who knows if it might be Liberian blood infected with that Elbowa thingamajig
US is just not going to win this.
Nahgonahappen.
Obama must think this is John Boehner he's dealing with.
Nah, Boehner is a solid adversary. He cries like a real man.
The person all the Democrats are truly frightened of because they just can't stop battering her around is Sarah Palin.
He thinks He's dealing with Sarah, Queen of Crazy Freedom
http://www.zazzle.com/sarah_palin_culture_warrior_princess_postcards-239...
The Three Stooges button and t-shirt are pretty good too.
Interesting development. I guess a new draft is coming up pretty soon for Obama's Operation Barbarossa.
why did they have to shoot an airliner with 300 people out of the sky
Is People magazine your sole source of news?
That's cruel
But inaccurate?
The Ukrainians?
Does Obama realize how much fuel it will take to change the orbits of the NSA and CIA spy satellites from their current positions over the nude beaches in the Crimea?
I suggest that the potential prominence of this in the public's attention
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
gives significant leverage to Putin, vs. Obama.
OH, the cost of suckering the voters!
I recall when a certain buddy started picking on the fat kid in school. The fat kid took everything my buddy threw his way. Until one day, he got fed up and knocked the living hell out of my buddy.
The next day, my buddy was no longer a buddy and the fat kid suddenly became the most powerful kid on the playground.
The fat kid grew up and became a CEO of a Fortune 1000 business. My buddy, well he wound up in prison.
The big eared jihadi messiah currently occupying the white house is gonna get his ass handed to him ... on an ICBM platter compliments of Shootin Putin
USA is nuts nazis
just our government the people well we love our stuff so guess we are sleeping fools but we will wake up! hopefully before it's to late
i did not know that the us has intelligence, oops
This article is not correct. Maybe it's time for a research assistant? The US isn't saying there was an ICBM launch. ICBM's, missiles with ranges beyond 5500km are excluded from the 1987 INF treaty. The US is saying the violation is the result of testing a ground launched cruise missile called the Iskander-K and/or R-500. The testing started back in 2007, so this isn't exactly news, it's just that the Obama Administration needed something to appear to be taking a stand agaist the Russians for current events. The missile's range is unclear, but it's almost certainly greater than 500km, probably 1500-ish km. Setting aside current events, it's well known that the Russians would like to get out of the INF treaty so they can missile up to defend against regional threats. Not that it makes that much sense, air launched cruise missiles are not banned by the INF treaty and are way more flexible, and less expensive, to deploy.
"My name is Inigo Montoya.
Years ago you used a cruise missile of the same type we have been raining down on several brown nations for the past decade.
Prepare to die"
The Iskander is an anti,anti ballistic missile designed to take out the missile shield
over easter europe, leaving the Russians free to launch their ICBM's without interference.
The US abrogated the ABM treaty first,now they are upset the Russians have countered it.
Tough shit sunshine.You started it.
You forget...
We got the buks to do it...
Russia does not......
Reagan proved that....
Sure some americans will die...
But europe and russia better watch out because they will bear the brundt of the battle...
We wil l just watch it on TV...
Putin better quit before somebody with balls calls his bluff.
Obummer will not... he will just play golf...
I hope anyhow.............
Personally I dont give a shit about any of them...
Just leave me alone and if you dont.....
I can hit a 12 inch square at 1k yards with my 300 mag....
Probably got to worry more about the USA coming after me than the ruskies, in the long run..............
If they can beat that from an old hillbilly then they got us all...............
The Russians can withdraw from INF any time they please. There are NO PENALTIES for either non-compliance or withdrawal from the INF treaty. Withdrawal simply creates bad optics for the Russians' desired peace with the EU.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/treaties/inf2.html
The US hissyfit is based on a technicality because of the classified nature of the maximum range of the Iskander, but everyone knows the Iskanders in Kalingrad can reach both Berlin and Warsaw.
In order to whine about and blame the Russians for something and keep the headline war going, this administration has stooped to the level of a jilted husband complaining abut his wife's lover's big dick. Childish and counterproductive doesn't begin to capture the naivety and futility of their efforts (if they were actually concerned about international arms control).
Someone should really take TR's big stick and smack Obongo upside the head with it. This is just embarrassing.
JewSA! JewSA! JewSA!
sad, but mostly true.
The F'ing Bolsheviks will not stop until the whole world is covered in flames and blood. Where did this sub-human species come from? Was Tolkien referring to them when he named the Orcs? Seems so.
Yep - the 2th of August is right around the corner - 100th anniversary of WWI.
And by looking at the swarming of world events you can tell that Satan is up for the celebration.
It was the 2nd of August in 1914,
When Satan the Devil was venting his spleen.
As most of the world went off to the war,
Lockstep 'patriots' marching thru the door.
100 years later we still crave the slaughter,
And there's still an abundance of cannon fodder.
So get yourselves ready for WWIII,
The war that will set the whole world free.
believe it has started already!!!!!
"Captain America" is airing and the patriotic song and dance number is playing as I read your verse.
Red White and Blue.
Hollywood Perceptions Management and Propaganda Machine, Deluxe
And they wonder why their box office revenues are declining.
For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.
why is nobody trying to stop these fools. the American people said loud and clear we want nothing to do with Ukraine or any more wars. but let us not forget they don't work for us. as a taxpayer I say YOU ARE FIRED the bunch of you war mongering whores!!!!
Paging General Buck Turgidson...
vlad, just keep tweakin' the nuke algos; it's the only chance you have.
The war against Syria very nearly came to pass. America was so angered when Russia spoiled their war in Syria, that now Washington is going to make that war on Russia itself.
If we Americans do not stop there neocons in control in Washington, they will get millions killed. They are insane.
Back in 2008 Obama didn't look like a war type. What happens to those people, when they are running the country?
The truth comes out?
One of the things that stopped the Syria war was thousands of US military making it publicly clear that they wouldn't fight or wouldn't fight willingly in support of Al Qaida.
They probably won't want to fight to save flaming Nazi's from their fate either.
So it might have an effect if some people were to spread the word about this wherever they interact with active duty military or veterans.
I thought it was me finally breaking my silence and emailing my representatives in congress.
Ain't this some bullshit?
Let's see. If Putin wants to help rebels, wouldn't he send them dozens of BM-23, BM-27 and BM30 rocket launchers? And since rebels only have a handful of BM-21 launchers, I doubt they came from Russia.
Also, average salary in Ukraine military is $60 (sixty) a month. With $100000 you can literally go an armory and order anything you want.
Wag the dog.
I mean seriously... Do these fuckers ever learn?
If they didn't have the courage to start a war in Syria over fake evidence because Russia pushed back why on Earth did they think they would permit this to occur in the actual backyard of Ukraine after the US created the coup that led to the expulsion of the elected President?
They thought they were gonna teach them a lesson I suppose..they really are running out of influence..shedding all the credibility we had remaining.. By the way where is the ATC recording of the cockpit instruction to MH-370 and why were they diverted? It's been over a week now and all we have heard is a watch the birdie bs release of some sat pic that relates to Russian artillery that shows nothing..
Shit is kicking into high gear..Russia has the recording..I mean Christ they have already proven they can tap whatever EU official they wish so they might not even have needed the flight recorder..with the banker puppet Yatswhatever the fuck his name is stepping down I think Russia is holding onto some pretty incriminating evidence that Ukraine shot this down.. This playbook no longer works in the internet age..separatists didn't bring that plane down but I know our mafia cartel would if it meant they believed they could use it as a pretext to have Russia back off out of fear ..
Russia is all in on this one we better cut our losses this is just getting embarrassing.. Israel is waging near genocidal war at Palestine..The entire Middle East may begin to organize against us solely for protection because all these trillions and those states are non the better after decades of intervention ..
I always thought the whole goal of this was simply to keep the Middle East destabilized and not actually win and keep them in outright war but just chaos and confusion but not we are pushing all our enemies together..
Is this America? The shining beacon of freedom and our example to the world? Not even recognizable anymore.
And people think they can trust the ballot box? Look what they are capable of..just a small collective group of bullies ruling our lives and marginalizing us for not speaking politically correct .
I wonder if there is any way that the people of Russia and America can ensure that the neocons upcoming nuclear war will be limited to only Washington DC and Moscow?
The ramifications of Russia cutting off the flow of natural gas to Ukraine are massive and will immediately effect all of Europe. The idea of America getting involved or jumping into a war in Ukraine would have been hard to imagine a few years ago. As I write this the potential for this to escalate into a major shooting war is real. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.
As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html
KEEP THE EYE ON THE BALL!
-all else is distraction that plays into the other team's hands.
NO ONE IS TRYING TO HELP THE UKRAINIANS FOR CHRIST SAKE!
WE just want PUTIN's Pipeline Out replaced by EU or US pipelines.
*as another ZH article points out the U.S. never gave a damn about Ukraine before
and it still doesn't give a damn about Ukraine. The POWERGarchy wants their
resources in control of Europe not Putin's.
OBAMA Having a Reagan Historical Moment?
I seriously doubt it.
Even Reagan had no Regan Historical Moment.
By the way, the U.S. should give a shit about EU why?
Because of some pesky international treaties that, under Article Six of the US Constitution, are actually LAW... attacks on NATO countries AUTOMATICALLY (without Presidential or Congressional approval) start up the war machine.
euro banks own the us fed, the us fed owns the sheeple, simple enough.
LOL, what are they going to do? Sign them up on twitter and friend them on facebook?
What a joke this administration is.
(sadly, one thats going to get lots of people killed)
Yeah, we'll give the Ukrainians military aid. We will give them... the F-35 (can't climb, can't turn, can't fight)
What, what you say? Everyone's cancelling their commitment for these planes? Preposterous. Anything priced at a billion bucks apiece must be good. No?
Violated 1987 ICBM Treaty "The violation, which began some years ago" lets see who had that critical fact in their headlines, not GOOGLE NEWS, not Telegraph, not CNN, not NBC,not New York Times,not Wall Street Journal,not Fox News, not Washington Times. --BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE DISINFORMATION NETWORK. CRAP MEDIA UNIVERSE. NEST OF LIES MEDIA CORPORATIONS.
HOW INCREDIBLY LAME PUBLISHING YEARS OLD FACT AS TODAY'S NEWS!
THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHY BRING IT UP NOW? WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING IT UP WHEN IT HAPPENED - numb nuts. - THAT's THE STORY.
So we are sending Military aid to Ukraine because of some Russian Treaty Violation years ago?
Makes incredible amount of sense. WHo would have guessed this 'secret plan' was in the works FOR YEARS!
Apparently , after today's battle in Donbas some black mercenaries were killed by the resistance . I wonder where those came from????
Fuck it, I don't even care anymore, let's get this WW3 going already. The world is better off without white people anyways.
Don't worry,
In our exit we will kill almost all the people.
Then the nuclear winter will prevent crops from growing for another 2-3 years, which will finish off most of the survivors of the war.
I am sure God will sort the 'white' from 'black', 'brown', 'yellow', 'red' and any other colors that may appear on your favorite color wheel. The irony is that you believe race has anything to do with it.
So the US withdraws from the ABM treaty, tries to shove ABM systems right in to Russia's face, and now all of a sudden, they get all sensitive of Russia violating some ICBM treaty. Russia should just drop ICBM all together and reintroduce FOB systems. The 8K69 had the US shitting plenty of bricks when it was first developed, lets see what the US will think if Russia converts 50% of their systems from ICBM to FOBS.
The FOBS exploited the directional limitations of early US early warning systems by hitting from the, no longer, unguarded South. The R-36 replaced it.
Fractional Orbital Bombardment SystemWhile the FOBS had unlimited range and could attack targets anywhere on the globe, the loss of the element of surprise due to improved early warning systems relegated it to the position of an expensive single warhead missile with limited 5 Megatonne yield with 1,100 metre CEP, and longer flight time, compared to later MRV/MIRV ICBM variants of the R-36. Eighteen silos at Baikonur were loaded with these weapons until 1983, when they were decommissioned under the terms of the SALT-2 treaty.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Sov-FOBS-Program.html
I don't think you can have a launch of any type of missile type weapon of that size and avoid early warning in these days. My point is not about early warning, it is a given that there will be warning regardless of what you launch. I was thinking more in terms of interception of this type of weapon, which seems to be much more difficult/expensive than that of a conventional ICBM.