US May Send Military Aid To Ukraine; Accuses Russia Of Violating Nuclear Arms Treaty With ICBM Launch

Tyler Durden's picture

If the specter of the second cold war descending into outright smoldering status doesn't send the S&P promptly to all time highs, nothing will. Moments ago the White House accused Russia of violating the 1987 missile treaty, in response to a still unspecified ICBM launch, calling the "breach" a "very serious matter."

From Reuters:

In another sign of deteriorating relations between the United States and Russia, the U.S. government said on Monday that Moscow had violated the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces treaty, and urged immediate bilateral talks on the issue.

 

"This is a very serious matter which we have attempted to address with Russia for some time now," an administration official said in a statement.

 

"The United States will, of course, consult with allies on this matter to take into account the impact of this Russian violation on our collective security if Russia does not return to compliance," the official said. (Reporting

AP adds:

An administration official says the United States has notified Russia of its determination that it broke the agreement by testing a new ground-launched cruise missile. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

 

The issue has simmered for a few years, but until Monday the United States had not made the accusation public. Russian officials say they have looked into the allegations and consider the matter closed.

And just so it is clear that the US is now picked the "escalation" of the prisoner's dilemma,  also moments ago AGP reported that the US is now weighing the risks of aiding Ukraine militarily. Specifically, senior American military officers are discussing the possibility of "providing Ukraine with more precise intelligence that would allow it to target missiles held by pro-Russian forces, US officials said Monday."

From AFP:

But no decision is imminent and some officials are concerned such a move could backfire by escalating the conflict between Ukraine and the rebels backed by Moscow.

 

"That's part of the discussions," said one defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, referring to the possible enhanced intelligence sharing.

 

"It's all part of looking at how we can help the Ukrainians," the official told AFP. But he added there were risks in providing Ukrainian forces with information that could help them strike at pro-Russian fighters in the country's east.

 

The New York Times first reported that the Pentagon and spy agencies were looking at sharing more precise, real-time intelligence with Kiev to enable its military to go after surface-to-air missiles blamed for taking out several of its aircraft The White House has yet to hold a debate on the issue among high-level officials, the paper reported over the weekend.

 

A second Pentagon official downplayed the likelihood of the move and underlined the dangers involved. 

 

"There's not enough military equipment that Washington could provide to counter Russian influence," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

 

"There's a risk that the more weapons we provide to the Ukrainians, the more Russians escalate and step up their role," the official said.

 

For the moment, President Barack Obama's administration has provided only limited intelligence to Ukraine and has avoiding supplying weapons to Kiev.

But the moment is about to end.

And now, sit back and enjoy as the wealth effect washes over you while halfway around the world the likelihood of war, as was hinted by a Putin advisor earlier, is looking increasingly realistic, conveniently on the 100th anniversary of the war to end all wars.

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knukles's picture

Somebody is fuckin' crazy and it be "right here in River City."

hobopants's picture

They know a crash is around the corner and they need a war, simple as that.

COSMOS's picture

USA dont care, any war is not in their back yard.  If war takes down Europe, its to the benefit of the USA, less competition for Boeing and American arms manufacturers

knukles's picture

This is Cloward-Piven at work.
Stretch the fabric to the breaking point causing a major "reset" of society.
Hey, Hillary did give the Russkies a "reset" button, no?
See, all planned

JoeSexPack's picture

October freeze will make Russia's gas card a winner.

 

Desperate Neo-Con's trying hard to start war before Kiev freezes & Ukrainians make peace.

 

Slow & staedy, Vlad, time is on your side.

NoWayJose's picture

It is starting to look like the US is getting desperate here. And still no real proof of the US side of the story.

Drunk In Church's picture

Helping the Ukraine is a big mistake.  This crisis should be handled by the European vaseline-asses.  Bitchez.

Publicus's picture

They really want World War 3

Anusocracy's picture

They are going to have to deliver a major war or these actions will ensure the end of the US/dollar/military hegemony.

The end is nigh.

crazzziecanuck's picture

My mother firmly believes the USA will nuke the planet before ever losing global dominance.  I used to think it was emotional and outlandish but now I'm not so sure.

Anusocracy's picture

Pretty astute mom you have there.

Global dominance = tens of trillions of dollars wealth. Ain't going to be given up easily.

knukles's picture

Next, Obama rumored to retaliate against Putin by prohibiting unionized federal employees from dating hot Russian girls online during work hours

johngaltfla's picture

Per FNC: State Dept says that Obama has sent a letter to Putin.

Whew, I'm relieved.

SWRichmond's picture

Europe will not go to war with Russia because of US urging.  Period.

COSMOS's picture

They were manipulated into doing it many time before, what makes you think this time will be different.

farmboy's picture

Because large parts of Europeans are well educated and independent thinkers. Even Germans and their Government understand that the US is playing tricks here but on the territory of Europe. The NSA scandal and miss Nuland proves the US is not an ally anymore of Europe. Without Germany sucking Europe into a war or a European banking union has no chance.

Bunghole's picture

What part of dont get involved in a land war in Asia dont these assmaggots understand?

 

JR's picture

What I would say if I were Putin is Give us your evidence of the shoot down, or please, just shut up. Let’s have the evidence and let’s have it now. Else, please, do not make any more threats.

The US warmongers are using all this hubris to distract from the fact that they’ve got the shoot down wrong. First they tried to back off their original statements; and now they’re trying to distract by these charges, which the press will print, without evidence.

Putin needs to get stronger: up to now Putin has let his generals do the talking; it's time for him to do the talking. He needs to call a press conference. And say You know what? You guys are warmongering. There was a passenger jet shot down in this area and you are blaming people without the proof. Produce the proof or back off. The world is not interested in your war.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

 

 

You may not be interested in war.  But war is interested in you.

-- Leon Trotsky, 1919

Publicus's picture

You may not be interested in Ebola.  But Ebola is interested in you.

-- Ebola, 2014

COSMOS's picture

I always said that before nuclear war, the powers that be will use biological warfare to cull the herds, while they sit it out vaccinated and safe in their bunkers

tonyw's picture

it is almost unbelieveble that the US accuses russia of breaking the treaty by using crusie missiles when it has launched thousands of them and not as just a test but to kill and destroy.

Freddie's picture

You may not be interested in Ebola.  But Ebola is interested in you.

-- The George Soros-Bill Gates Global Vaccine (and Virus Creation) Center, 2014

(fixed it for you)

StychoKiller's picture

Hmm cruise missiles are against a treaty -- I know, launch Russian drones!

Quantum Nucleonics's picture

Actually, the button said "overcharged" in Russian. A pretty spectacular f-up brought to you by Team Obama-Clinton.

knukles's picture

Overcharged as in massive cosmic torus like burst amongst the very heavens.
Hah ha ha ha ha

Oh my....
Do have to hand it to Hilary, though.

She's cute as a button.

LetThemEatRand's picture

"They know a crash is around the corner and they need a war, simple as that."

If it were mid-December, I'd say it is only a matter of days before the U.S. accuses Russia of shooting down Santa Claus.  

hobopants's picture

Joking aside, I wouldn't be a bit suprised to see a Russian false flag performed on some American "NGO" in Ukraine to get the war drums beating over here.

LetThemEatRand's picture

The War Pigs are ready to rock and roll, no doubt about it.

Jack Burton's picture

Rebel sources in Donetsk claim to have uncovered Kiev and CIA false flag terror attack plans to kill thousands and try and blame Pro Russian rebels. They issued public statements over media in Ukraine in order to try and stop the attacks, saying that making the threat public might cause the attacks to be put off.

Otto Zitte's picture

They're ready to raise the price of fuel, take obscene profits and hide until the world is ready to accept their terms.

mrmister's picture

Putin Adviser says Nazis must be stopped. Especially their financiers in Washington DC.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI

toady's picture

I'm a chickenshit, but the ol' ICBM scare the shit outta me. No one thinks about it any more, the cold war is over, blah blah blah, but the Russians aren't going through another great patriotic war. Anybody, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens, especially if they're U.S. or European backed, and they'll push the button and let the chips fall where they may.

Freddie's picture

Here you go for your nightmare SS-18.  I trust the Russians more than Amerika.  As long as Putin is in charge - there will be sanity in Russia.  America has no sanity and is a joke.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lw7oKhIu60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8a39agFjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuVBPxF3I8

Escrava Isaura's picture

There's no crash, pants!

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter" President Cheney - 2004

COSMOS's picture

Ok Tyler, this BobaFet type sock puppet you have come up with, aka Escreva Isaura, is really getting kind of lame.  We all know you guys have a staff of a few guys that log in under different names and make posts to drive conversation, same tylers that also put up stories, but its getting ridiculous with some of the characters.

LetThemEatRand's picture

I'm still trying to figure out what crash pants are.  

Escrava Isaura's picture

Cosmos, you made your point.

Now, what do you have to offer?

 

NidStyles's picture

Bring on more people so you're not so dry.

Slave's picture

You ask that same stupid question in every post.

How ironic.

NoDecaf's picture

Cosmos, Thanks for pointing that out to the new guys, I didn't know what to make of it. I didn't know if it was a garden variety troll or a specialized one like "The Granger" on the Daily Paul.

Escrava Isaura's picture

“How people treat other people is a direct reflection of how they feel about themselves.” Paulo Coelho, The Winner Stands Alone

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

 

 

A little self-reflection might be worthwhile here in the ZH Fight Club.

Escrava Isaura is probably not an American, and I certainly do not speak Portuguese (or whatever).

When I am in other countries, people are usually nice to me.  How ironic that so many Americans here are treating a guest so poorly.  Not all Americans are like that.

Nice timely quotation, Escrava.  Coelho writes the truth.

Escrava Isaura's picture

DoChen,

Thanks to point out “Self-Reflection” and to “Write the Truth”.

Some at ZH Fight Club put me in an awkward position of defending Obama and the neocons.

Let me show (and prove) to you:

US presidents records since WW-2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWQtzB9jE8

Socialism, before the word became twisted by propaganda and especially US massmedia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PtLjwPZrE#t=1h20m16s%E2%80%9D

And the “Conservative Propaganda” of dumbing down President Reagan’s 288.5% deficit increase:

1980 US Debt: $930,210

ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121980.pdf

1988 US Debt: 2,664,392

ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121988.pdf

To put US deficit into perspective: Obama would have to run a deficit of about $38 trillion dollars to match Reagan’s.


Freddie's picture

Maybe the US Military and Pentagon might decide to defend The Constitution instead of their pensions.  F them.

Mr. Ed's picture

"might decide to defend The Constitution?"  I doubt it, but good point.

EmmittFitzhume's picture

Wait for your next contact on the road to Duschambe...

Reptil's picture

Dutch minister Frans Timmermans signs treaty to send armed 700 militairy and equipment today in Kiev. Commonwealth (Australia) and other nations (UK? Netherlands?)
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/trb-2014-135.html

This was done in secret, no mention of this on the official NOS State media. (It actually says NO armed personell at the bottom here)
http://nos.nl/artikel/680381-staakthetvuren-bij-rampplek.html

No mention of "negotiations with the seperatists and russians" as was mentioned by PM Rutte last friday. (which he said didn't happen to avoid a provocation)

How to set up a false flag: you only need a couple Academi guys in russian uniforms to attack these troops and you have a fucking world war.