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"End Torture," Ron Paul Demands "Shut Down The CIA!"
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,
Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, “we don’t torture people”? Remember a few months later, in October, President George W. Bush saying, “this government does not torture people”? We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.
Still the US administration denied that torture was torture, preferring to call it “enhanced interrogation” and claiming that it had disrupted so many terrorist plots. Of course, we later found out that the CIA had not only lied about the torture of large numbers of people after 9/11, but it had vastly exaggerated any valuable information that came from such practices.
However secret rendition of prisoners to other places was ongoing.
The US not only tortured people in its own custody, however. Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil.
How tragic that Poland, where the Nazis constructed the Auschwitz concentration camp in which so many innocents were tortured and murdered, would acquiesce to hosting secret torture facilities. The idea that such brutality would be permitted on Polish soil just 70 years after the Nazi occupation should remind us of how dangerous and disingenuous governments continue to be.
This is the first time the European court has connected any EU country to US torture practices. The Obama administration refuses to admit that such facilities existed and instead claims that any such “enhanced interrogation” programs were shut down by 2009. We can only hope this is true, but we should be wary of government promises. After all, they promised us all along that they were not using torture, and we might have never known had photographs and other information not been leaked to the press.
There are more reasons to be wary of this administration’s claims about rejecting torture and upholding human rights. The president has openly justified killing American citizens without charge or trial and he has done so on at least three occasions. There is not much of a gap between torture and extrajudicial murder when it comes to human rights abuses.
Meanwhile, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior current and former CIA officials are said to be frantically attempting to prepare a response to a planned release of an unclassified version of a 6,500 page Senate Intelligence Committee study on the torture practices of that agency. The CIA was already caught tapping into the computers of Senate investigators last year, looking to see what information might be contained in the report. Those who have seen the report have commented that it details far more brutal CIA practices than have been revealed to this point.
Revelations of US secret torture sites overseas and a new Senate investigation revealing widespread horrific CIA torture practices should finally lead to the abolishment of this agency. Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States. For our own safety, end the CIA!
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I don't know, Jack Bauer always catches the terrorists when he tortures people....
But if we shut the CIA down we'd lose golden moments like the Abu Ghraib naked prisoner pyramid...
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2013/7/15/2013715184225399734_20...
And 'Frosty the Iceman'...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/14/article-2003589-00EC2BE4100004...
The CIA and NSA are just the organizations the public knows about. They can take the fall, but the beast will continue.
I'm booking talking engagements, folks! See my people to reserve a date!
Little subhuman voters enabling big subhuman torturers.
Nothing wrong with democracy, nothing wrong with government.
All are fools.
The CIA is a necessary evil. But they must be held to account when they fuck up. I live in the real world. Bitchez.
Every time I hear Obama talking or see his face on the TV it is torture.
That's why they installed him. To demoralize.
Okay, I'm demoralized, already. Big time,
Can we get him off the fucking airwaves, now, so I can safely turn on my TV again?
This is why we are fucked. People are fucking dumb.
Like today for example.
DavidC
Ron Paul is on a roll........or maybe it's a bagel.
That's just stupid. Terrorists should be tortured for information. Then executed. They have no rights because they don't wear the uniform of a country's armed forces.
And what happens when the government decides you might be a terrorist? Based on the illegal searches that take place at the airport it appears invalids, businessmen, children, and pregnant ladies are potential terrorists. According to the TSA we're all suspects.
been looking for a place to drop this all day- on 'democracy now' today scahill was interviewed regarding disclosure of the guide to determine who is on "the terror list"... in the introduction-
terrorism is so broadly defined that it includes people accused of damaging property belonging to the government or financial institutions.
...or finanancial institutions? zh, occupy that means you.
and yet NO MENTION of this during the entire interview (effin' gatekeeprs!)
The government is becoming scared of the population, so everyone, to them is a terrorist.
Lies will come back to haunt you.... Bullet proof your limousine. Billy Talent.
Torture does not work,,,if you give me a hot lead enema I will confess to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.. just for relief..
Maybe you should be tortured until you confess to being a terrorist and then executed?
The Church taught that if one was pure then one could resist any amount of torture in the Inquisition.
A recent film, Goya's Ghost, illustrated how nonsensical this notion was (and is).
Sorry, no criticism of a Christian institution is allowed. It's only Islam that gets ironically dubbed 'the religion of peace' round here.
Next you'll be saying Darwin may have had a point.
The primary goal of torture is the de-humanization of the victim AND the torturer.
Kind of like your comment.
"Terrorists should be tortured for information. "
Look into the mirror, YOU are the terrorist.
Hey, Blue Dog? You wearing a uniform? No? Torture it is, then!
wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a 'terrorist'?
wasn't Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist'?
who gets to define 'terrorist'? If you're brown you're automatically a terrorist? What if you're asian in WWII?
What if you're native american?
Most of the other alphabet-soup agencies, especially DHS and NSA, can go as well.
Ron you must win over the CIA before you shut it down. Get thier backing, to make you president, then shut it down. Then never leave the white house, EVER..never leave..ur dead if you do.
Have no doubt that the NSA has enough shit to shut Rand Paul up if needed.
THE END OF AMERICA 2014 2016 IT'S WORSE THAN YOU KNOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeDXnvYUoo (13:57)
And NSA too for similar reasons.
Thank you, Dr. Paul ...
george- some investigatin' regarding my above post. re: scahill/the watchlist and 'financial institutions'... p.please?
Ron Paul better settle down before daddy bush issues a neutralization order for his ass. Doesn't Ron Paul know that narco money is the wd-40 of the global economy?
Alex Jones /& Lindsey Williams...
10 Things the Elite Are Planning for You in the Next 4 Years (2013-2016)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ViIGCCsLY (44:10)
Who will overthrow democratically elected governments if there's no CIA?
egad
Genetically modify all CIA and sterilize them bitchez.
CIA = Cocaine Import Agency
Eric Clapton- Cocaine
Isn't the UN supposed to make the CIA, NSA, DIA etc. all obsolete?
Shut down the CIA is a good start. There are several other alphabet fraternities that should be shut down as well!
Just another hippy malcontent who hates everything Merica stands for, and the troops!
Perhaps you need a refresher course in history school. United States of America is how we address our country.
Merica sounds like a Mexican jumping bean illegally crossing the US border fence.
Hey dip-spit, you should'a drowned in the Rio Grande.
GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..!
It is high time that the many crimes of the CIA are exposed. Release of that 6500 page report from the Senate would be a good start.
the bankers like their cia torture squad.
the argument should be presented to them
directly, the deaf and blindmen.
.
THE BEST ENEMY
MONEY CAN BUY
By
Antony C. Sutton
.
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html
.
.."Between 1961 and 1964 the American casualty roll in Vietnam was relatively light, only 267 killed, and U.S.-Soviet trade was at a low level.
In 1965 the Soviets stepped up the flow of military supplies and equipment to North Vietnam. President Johnson stepped up the flow of technology to the Soviets. The American toll mounted rapidly, demonstrating the absurdity of the trade levels in peace agreement: ..." a.p.s.
etc....
God this guy is such a moron, why do you people keep listening to him?
He has nothing to say but sound bites, memes and simple platitudes that of course bash the USA while giving everyone else in the world a free pass.
thank god he has NEVER gottem clse to the oval office
He's been saying plenty for forty years, you moron. The reason why he never got to the oval office was because he told the truth, and the establishment hated him for it. What have you done?
It's not just money you lost.
Tried looking for your mind recently?
Got to love the guy!
Ron Paul has always looked at things more honestly and logically than any other politician I can even vaguely remember.
I don't agree with everything he says, but he's definitely a guy I'd like to drink a couple of beers with.
As for the rest, they can't even spell the words 'honesty' or 'logic'
I'm surprised he's not been knobbled somehow, before now.
He's pulling punches here. If he were totally honest, he'd say End the CIA because of JFK, Vietnam, Reagan's attempted assassination, Afghanistan & Columbia narco-trafficking and 9/11. I guess he fears them more than the FED.
Hope that Constitutional Convention comes to pass..
Michigan was the 34th State..(the required 2/3s)
Bring forth some sanity...
Reign in the Rogues...
End torture. End fictions. End government. End corporations. End human predators. Nope, not gonna happen. Humans love the soap opera that is human enslavement and destruction.
This one doesn't.
Good for me.
Good for you.
Too bad we're massively outnumbered.
Wachovia Enters Into Deferred Prosecution Agreement| Bank Agrees to Pay $160 Million
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr031710.html
How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico's murderous drug gangs
Tail number N987SA. We don’t forget CIA.
Money Laundering and the Global Drug Trade
http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-laundering-and-the-global-drug-trade-are-fueled-by-the-capitalist-elites/20210
Pandering again/still. Like Rand could ever close the cia down. He is yanking chain just like his old man did for 30 years.
Don't worry; we’re overseeing Wells Fargo antics, only a matter of time. As posted above, they bought Narcovia.
Fuckin' eh, Bubba!
RON PAUL for PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA
DOWN WITH THE CIA
OCCUPY CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY - OCCUPY EVERYTHING
NOTE: The Dark Side by Jane Mayer
David Addington is the motherfucker that crafted the legislation.
The whole world cries out:
-Yankee Go Home!
The fat clogged ears.
Unfortunately it is.
hehe.
JFK brazenly spoke of routing the CIA out and killing it.
His own killing was another isolated incident involving a lone gunman. The funeral was really nice, it made everyone feel all better.
but... if you shut down the cocaine importation agency the economy will collapse from a lack of trade!!
Please, think of the poor brokers & hookers....
JFK was going to disband the CIA until "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" and his hand-picked assassination squad halted that plan.
The game will just go to the private sector and then sadly there will be no over sight.
The masturbation is not most productive activity.
22mag is spot on.
We know the wretched filth of Hoover's FBI - Bush's CIA in Dallas, 1963 is no stretch.
Paul for president.
FUCK you CIA! You are not bad ass motherfuckers like the dudes in Transformers 4 or 2 Guns. You are coward douche bags that pay other douche bags to do your dirty work. You are the lowest form of scum. And no, you are not protecting this country from the boogy man, because he/it does not exist! You embody what is EVIL in this world.
Everytime Ron Paul speaks it is like a ray of light in middle of darkness. This man has a soul cut in the hardest stone, you can not bend it, stain it or corrupt it.
agreed, but if he even gets close to becoming The President I expect THEY will move him back and to the left.
His head anyways, like JFK's did.
Ron Paul has good ideas, but eventually he's going to have to pick up a rifle to cause any of the changes he's seeking.
the state can easily dismantle itself by being inefficient enough for long enough.
"...For our own safety, end the CIA!..."
god i love this man!!!!!!! the cia is owned by mossad as is the state department....mossad, the enforcement arm of the rothschild satanists, owns usa - it owns cia, nsa, state department, and now military.
not only should the cia be wiped out, but so should the fed, and jsoc.
Americans have come to view Snowden as more of a whistle-blower rather then as a traitor as the White House tried to paint him. Interestingly a gender gap emerges on how people see the government’s anti-terrorism programs with men being more inclined to think the government has gone to far, it also seems that younger voters, those in their twenties are appalled by the intrusions into our privacy.
Will terrorists kill innocent civilians in the years to come? Of course. They did so more than 100 years ago, when they were called anarchists—and a responsible nation-state must take reasonable measures to protect its citizens. But there is no way to completely eliminate terrorism.The challenge that confronts us is how we will live with that threat. We have created an economy of fear, an industry of fear, a national psychology of fear. Al Qaeda could never have achieved that on its own. We have inflicted it on ourselves. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-terrorist-under-every-bed.html
Considering that the CIA was started by Wall Street bankers and lawyers, "shutting down the CIA" is as plausible as "ending the Fed." Certainly good ideas, on a superficial level. However, there are no practical ways to stop well-organized gangs of criminals, other than with some better organized gang of criminals. Entropy is a bitch!
OT, but not too much:
"Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil."
Note that the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is currently being criticized by two European groups:
The Russian political leadership, mainly because of the ruling regarding the Yukos Affair (note how the Russian media propagates the meme of the "Dutch court" instead of International Court)
and
The British political leadership - mainly the Tory Party - that is openly debating about the UK leaving the international organization that upholds this court
Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States
Unfortunately an agency that was supposed to protect Americans now is anti American in as far as its activities tend to create terrorists in many countries around the world, quite sad because they still have this belief that they are doing good and only a limited understanding of the harm that they do the US with their activities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9cCWm53H4
Cia Man...The Fugs
That term (meme) 'anti American' needs to be propagated more...
The CIA is a gang, one that existed before the CIA, with other names. There were always gangs enforcing laws beyond governments, now the USA taxpayers funds several of them. They should be considered independent, self-funded, NGO's.