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"End Torture," Ron Paul Demands "Shut Down The CIA!"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, “we don’t torture people”? Remember a few months later, in October, President George W. Bush saying, “this government does not torture people”? We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.
 
Still the US administration denied that torture was torture, preferring to call it “enhanced interrogation” and claiming that it had disrupted so many terrorist plots. Of course, we later found out that the CIA had not only lied about the torture of large numbers of people after 9/11, but it had vastly exaggerated any valuable information that came from such practices.

However secret rendition of prisoners to other places was ongoing.

The US not only tortured people in its own custody, however. Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil.
 
How tragic that Poland, where the Nazis constructed the Auschwitz concentration camp in which so many innocents were tortured and murdered, would acquiesce to hosting secret torture facilities. The idea that such brutality would be permitted on Polish soil just 70 years after the Nazi occupation should remind us of how dangerous and disingenuous governments continue to be.
 
This is the first time the European court has connected any EU country to US torture practices. The Obama administration refuses to admit that such facilities existed and instead claims that any such “enhanced interrogation” programs were shut down by 2009. We can only hope this is true, but we should be wary of government promises. After all, they promised us all along that they were not using torture, and we might have never known had photographs and other information not been leaked to the press.
 
There are more reasons to be wary of this administration’s claims about rejecting torture and upholding human rights. The president has openly justified killing American citizens without charge or trial and he has done so on at least three occasions. There is not much of a gap between torture and extrajudicial murder when it comes to human rights abuses.
 
Meanwhile, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior current and former CIA officials are said to be frantically attempting to prepare a response to a planned release of an unclassified version of a 6,500 page Senate Intelligence Committee study on the torture practices of that agency. The CIA was already caught tapping into the computers of Senate investigators last year, looking to see what information might be contained in the report. Those who have seen the report have commented that it details far more brutal CIA practices than have been revealed to this point.
 
Revelations of US secret torture sites overseas and a new Senate investigation revealing widespread horrific CIA torture practices should finally lead to the abolishment of this agency. Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States. For our own safety, end the CIA!

 

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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:04 | 5019783 drink or die
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I don't know, Jack Bauer always catches the terrorists when he tortures people....

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:15 | 5019803 ZerOhead
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But if we shut the CIA down we'd lose golden moments like the Abu Ghraib naked prisoner pyramid...

http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2013/7/15/2013715184225399734_20...

 

And 'Frosty the Iceman'...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/14/article-2003589-00EC2BE4100004...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:19 | 5019836 Gen. Keith Alexander
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The CIA and NSA are just the organizations the public knows about. They can take the fall, but the beast will continue.

 

I'm booking talking engagements, folks!  See my people to reserve a date!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:12 | 5020023 Anusocracy
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Little subhuman voters enabling big subhuman torturers.

Nothing wrong with democracy, nothing wrong with government.

All are fools.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:27 | 5021090 Drunk In Church
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The CIA is a necessary evil.  But they must be held to account when they fuck up.  I live in the real world.  Bitchez.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:47 | 5028119 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Jack Donaghy: I'm going to a party tonight honoring Robert Novack, it's being thrown by John McCain and Jack Bauer.

Liz Lemon: Em, I don't think he's real.

Jack Donaghy: [laughs] I assure you, Lemon, John McCain is very real. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:06 | 5019789 all-priced-in
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Every time I hear Obama talking or see his face on the TV it is torture.

 

 

 

  

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:36 | 5020133 daveO
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That's why they installed him. To demoralize. 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 02:28 | 5021407 SF beatnik
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Okay, I'm demoralized, already. Big time,

Can we get him off the fucking airwaves, now, so I can safely turn on my TV again?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:51 | 5021609 shouldvekilledthem
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so I can safely turn on my TV again?

This is why we are fucked. People are fucking dumb. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:02 | 5020514 DavidC
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Like today for example.

DavidC

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:06 | 5019791 TabakLover
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Ron Paul is on a roll........or maybe it's a bagel.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:05 | 5019793 Blue Dog
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That's just stupid. Terrorists should be tortured for information. Then executed. They have no rights because they don't wear the uniform of a country's armed forces. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:18 | 5019837 Ignorance is bliss
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And what happens when the government decides you might be a terrorist? Based on the illegal searches that take place at the airport it appears invalids, businessmen, children, and pregnant ladies are potential terrorists. According to the TSA we're all suspects.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:27 | 5019868 putaipan
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been looking for a place to drop this all day- on 'democracy now' today scahill was interviewed regarding disclosure of the guide to determine who is on "the terror list"... in the introduction-

terrorism is so broadly defined that it includes people accused of damaging property belonging to the government or financial institutions.

...or finanancial institutions? zh, occupy that means you.

and yet NO MENTION of this during the entire interview (effin' gatekeeprs!)

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:41 | 5019909 logicalman
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The government is becoming scared of the population, so everyone, to them is a terrorist.

Lies will come back to haunt you.... Bullet proof your limousine. Billy Talent.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:42 | 5019910 kill switch
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Torture does not work,,,if you give me a hot lead enema I will confess to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.. just for relief..

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:02 | 5019962 FeralSerf
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Maybe you should be tortured until you confess to being a terrorist and then executed?

The Church taught that if one was pure then one could resist any amount of torture in the Inquisition.

A recent film, Goya's Ghost, illustrated how nonsensical this notion was (and is).

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:45 | 5020729 BigJim
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Sorry, no criticism of a Christian institution is allowed. It's only Islam that gets ironically dubbed 'the religion of peace' round here.

Next you'll be saying Darwin may have had a point.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:04 | 5019987 palmereldritch
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The primary goal of torture is the de-humanization of the victim AND the torturer.

Kind of like your comment.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:22 | 5020324 Joenobody12
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"Terrorists should be tortured for information. "

Look into the mirror, YOU are the terrorist. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:46 | 5020734 BigJim
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Hey, Blue Dog? You wearing a uniform? No? Torture it is, then!

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 00:01 | 5021202 Libertarian777
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wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a 'terrorist'?

wasn't Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist'?

who gets to define 'terrorist'? If you're brown you're automatically a terrorist? What if you're asian in WWII? 

What if you're native american?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:05 | 5019794 TeamDepends
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Most of the other alphabet-soup agencies, especially DHS and NSA, can go as well.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:06 | 5019796 1stepcloser
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Ron you must win over the CIA before you shut it down.  Get thier backing, to make you president, then shut it down.  Then never leave the white house, EVER..never leave..ur dead if you do.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:57 | 5020774 Lord Koos
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Have no doubt that the NSA has enough shit to shut Rand Paul up if needed.  

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:09 | 5019801 Goldilocks
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THE END OF AMERICA 2014 2016 IT'S WORSE THAN YOU KNOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeDXnvYUoo (13:57)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:09 | 5019808 worbsid
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And NSA too for similar reasons.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:11 | 5019820 George Washington
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Thank you, Dr. Paul ...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:29 | 5019875 putaipan
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george- some investigatin' regarding my above post. re: scahill/the watchlist and 'financial institutions'... p.please?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:17 | 5019834 HeavydutyMexica...
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Ron Paul better settle down before daddy bush issues a neutralization order for his ass.   Doesn't Ron Paul know that narco money is the wd-40 of the global economy?  

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:18 | 5019838 Goldilocks
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Alex Jones /& Lindsey Williams...
10 Things the Elite Are Planning for You in the Next 4 Years (2013-2016)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ViIGCCsLY (44:10)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:19 | 5019844 syntaxterror
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Who will overthrow democratically elected governments if there's no CIA?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:20 | 5019846 buzzsaw99
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egad

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:20 | 5019849 q99x2
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Genetically modify all CIA and sterilize them bitchez.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:23 | 5019852 Atomizer
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CIA = Cocaine Import Agency

Eric Clapton- Cocaine

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:22 | 5019853 Notsobadwlad
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Isn't the UN supposed to make the CIA, NSA, DIA etc. all obsolete?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:23 | 5019856 Milton Freewater
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Shut down the CIA is a good start.  There are several other alphabet fraternities that should be shut down as well!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:24 | 5019857 NOTaREALmerican
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Just another hippy malcontent who hates everything Merica stands for, and the troops! 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:38 | 5019889 Atomizer
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Perhaps you need a refresher course in history school. United States of America is how we address our country.

Merica sounds like a Mexican jumping bean illegally crossing the US border fence.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:55 | 5019945 A Dollar Short
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Hey dip-spit, you should'a drowned in the Rio Grande.

 

GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE..!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:38 | 5019914 Oldrepublic
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It is high time that the many crimes of the  CIA are exposed. Release of that 6500 page report from the Senate would be a good start.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:43 | 5019915 blindman
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the bankers like their cia torture squad.
the argument should be presented to them
directly, the deaf and blindmen.
.
THE BEST ENEMY
MONEY CAN BUY
By
Antony C. Sutton
.
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html
.
.."Between 1961 and 1964 the American casualty roll in Vietnam was relatively light, only 267 killed, and U.S.-Soviet trade was at a low level.

In 1965 the Soviets stepped up the flow of military supplies and equipment to North Vietnam. President Johnson stepped up the flow of technology to the Soviets. The American toll mounted rapidly, demonstrating the absurdity of the trade levels in peace agreement: ..." a.p.s.
etc....

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:45 | 5019919 lost money
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God this guy is such a moron, why do you people keep listening to him?

 

He has nothing to say but sound bites, memes and simple platitudes that of course bash the USA while giving everyone else in the world a free pass.

thank god he has NEVER gottem clse to the oval office

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:48 | 5019927 SuperRay
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He's been saying plenty for forty years, you moron.  The reason why he never got to the oval office was because he told the truth, and the establishment hated him for it.  What have you done?

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:59 | 5019955 logicalman
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It's not just money you lost.

Tried looking for your mind recently?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:50 | 5019935 logicalman
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Got to love the guy!

Ron Paul has always looked at things more honestly and logically than any other politician I can even vaguely remember.

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's definitely a guy I'd like to drink a couple of beers with.

As for the rest, they can't even spell the words 'honesty' or 'logic'

I'm surprised he's not been knobbled somehow, before now.

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:29 | 5020102 daveO
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He's pulling punches here. If he were totally honest, he'd say End the CIA because of JFK, Vietnam, Reagan's attempted assassination, Afghanistan & Columbia narco-trafficking and 9/11. I guess he fears them more than the FED. 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:52 | 5021668 Mesquite
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Hope that Constitutional Convention comes to pass..

Michigan was the 34th State..(the required 2/3s)

Bring forth some sanity...

Reign in the Rogues...

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:58 | 5019951 honestann
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End torture.  End fictions.  End government.  End corporations.  End human predators.  Nope, not gonna happen.  Humans love the soap opera that is human enslavement and destruction.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:59 | 5019959 logicalman
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This one doesn't.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:31 | 5020108 honestann
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Good for me.
Good for you.
Too bad we're massively outnumbered. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:07 | 5019999 Atomizer
Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:20 | 5020063 VWAndy
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Pandering again/still. Like Rand could ever close the cia down. He is yanking chain just like his old man did for 30 years.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:27 | 5020098 Atomizer
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Don't worry; we’re overseeing Wells Fargo antics, only a matter of time. As posted above, they bought Narcovia.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:24 | 5020081 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Fuckin' eh, Bubba!

RON PAUL for PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

DOWN WITH THE CIA

OCCUPY CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY - OCCUPY EVERYTHING

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:30 | 5020106 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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NOTE: The Dark Side by Jane Mayer

 

David Addington is the motherfucker that crafted the legislation.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:32 | 5020114 Karaio
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The whole world cries out: 

-Yankee Go Home! 

The fat clogged ears. 

Unfortunately it is. 

hehe.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:39 | 5020143 Conax
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JFK brazenly spoke of routing the CIA out and killing it.

His own killing was another isolated incident involving a lone gunman.  The funeral was really nice, it made everyone feel all better.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:40 | 5020151 MeelionDollerBogus
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but... if you shut down the cocaine importation agency the economy will collapse from a lack of trade!!
Please, think of the poor brokers & hookers....

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:47 | 5020171 22winmag
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JFK was going to disband the CIA until "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" and his hand-picked assassination squad halted that plan.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:46 | 5020444 Tarshatha
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The game will just go to the private sector and then sadly there will be no over sight. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:06 | 5020527 BOPOH
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The masturbation is not most productive activity.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:15 | 5020548 Pee Wee
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22mag is spot on.

We know the wretched filth of Hoover's FBI - Bush's CIA in Dallas, 1963 is no stretch.

Paul for president.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:18 | 5020589 bigrooster
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FUCK you CIA!  You are not bad ass motherfuckers like the dudes in Transformers 4 or 2 Guns.  You are coward douche bags that pay other douche bags to do your dirty work.  You are the lowest form of scum.  And no, you are not protecting this country from the boogy man, because he/it does not exist!  You embody what is EVIL in this world.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:28 | 5020642 realWhiteNight123129
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Everytime Ron Paul speaks it is like a ray of light in middle of darkness. This man has a soul cut in the hardest stone, you can not bend it, stain it or corrupt it.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:11 | 5020834 blackbeardz
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agreed, but if he even gets close to becoming The President I expect THEY will move him back and to the left.

His head anyways, like JFK's did.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:20 | 5020869 mastersnark
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Ron Paul has good ideas, but eventually he's going to have to pick up a rifle to cause any of the changes he's seeking.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:55 | 5021135 r0mulus
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the state can easily dismantle itself by being inefficient enough for long enough.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:17 | 5021061 tony bonn
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"...For our own safety, end the CIA!..."

god i love this man!!!!!!! the cia is owned by mossad as is the state department....mossad, the enforcement arm of the rothschild satanists, owns usa - it owns cia, nsa, state department, and now military.

not only should the cia be wiped out, but so should the fed, and jsoc.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:39 | 5021140 AdvancingTime
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 Americans have come to view Snowden as more  of a whistle-blower rather then as a traitor as the White House tried to paint him. Interestingly a gender gap emerges on how people see the government’s anti-terrorism programs with men being more inclined to think the government has gone to far, it also seems that younger voters, those in their twenties are appalled by the intrusions into our privacy.

Will terrorists kill innocent civilians in the years to come? Of course. They did so more than 100 years ago, when they were called anarchists—and a responsible nation-state must take reasonable measures to protect its citizens. But there is no way to completely eliminate terrorism.The challenge that confronts us is how we will live with that threat. We have created an economy of fear, an industry of fear, a national psychology of fear. Al Qaeda could never have achieved that on its own. We have inflicted it on ourselves. More on this subject in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-terrorist-under-every-bed.html

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:57 | 5021371 Radical Marijuana
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Considering that the CIA was started by Wall Street bankers and lawyers, "shutting down the CIA" is as plausible as "ending the Fed." Certainly good ideas, on a superficial level. However, there are no practical ways to stop well-organized gangs of criminals, other than with some better organized gang of criminals. Entropy is a bitch!

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:07 | 5021503 Ghordius
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OT, but not too much:

"Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil."

Note that the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is currently being criticized by two European groups:

The Russian political leadership, mainly because of the ruling regarding the Yukos Affair (note how the Russian media propagates the meme of the "Dutch court" instead of International Court)

and

The British political leadership - mainly the Tory Party - that is openly debating about the UK leaving the international organization that upholds this court

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:43 | 5021603 Aussiekiwi
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Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States

Unfortunately an agency that was supposed to protect Americans now is anti American in as far as its activities tend to create terrorists in many countries around the world, quite sad because they still have this belief that they are doing good and only a limited understanding of the harm that they do the US with their activities.


Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:47 | 5021664 l.kimbot
Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:03 | 5021688 Mesquite
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That term (meme) 'anti American' needs to be propagated more...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:59 | 5028547 Leraconteur
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The CIA is a gang, one that existed before the CIA, with other names. There were always gangs enforcing laws beyond governments, now the USA taxpayers funds several of them. They should be considered independent, self-funded, NGO's.

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