"End Torture," Ron Paul Demands "Shut Down The CIA!"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, “we don’t torture people”? Remember a few months later, in October, President George W. Bush saying, “this government does not torture people”? We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.
Still the US administration denied that torture was torture, preferring to call it “enhanced interrogation” and claiming that it had disrupted so many terrorist plots. Of course, we later found out that the CIA had not only lied about the torture of large numbers of people after 9/11, but it had vastly exaggerated any valuable information that came from such practices.

However secret rendition of prisoners to other places was ongoing.

The US not only tortured people in its own custody, however. Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil.
How tragic that Poland, where the Nazis constructed the Auschwitz concentration camp in which so many innocents were tortured and murdered, would acquiesce to hosting secret torture facilities. The idea that such brutality would be permitted on Polish soil just 70 years after the Nazi occupation should remind us of how dangerous and disingenuous governments continue to be.
This is the first time the European court has connected any EU country to US torture practices. The Obama administration refuses to admit that such facilities existed and instead claims that any such “enhanced interrogation” programs were shut down by 2009. We can only hope this is true, but we should be wary of government promises. After all, they promised us all along that they were not using torture, and we might have never known had photographs and other information not been leaked to the press.
There are more reasons to be wary of this administration’s claims about rejecting torture and upholding human rights. The president has openly justified killing American citizens without charge or trial and he has done so on at least three occasions. There is not much of a gap between torture and extrajudicial murder when it comes to human rights abuses.
Meanwhile, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior current and former CIA officials are said to be frantically attempting to prepare a response to a planned release of an unclassified version of a 6,500 page Senate Intelligence Committee study on the torture practices of that agency. The CIA was already caught tapping into the computers of Senate investigators last year, looking to see what information might be contained in the report. Those who have seen the report have commented that it details far more brutal CIA practices than have been revealed to this point.
Revelations of US secret torture sites overseas and a new Senate investigation revealing widespread horrific CIA torture practices should finally lead to the abolishment of this agency. Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States. For our own safety, end the CIA!

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drink or die's picture

I don't know, Jack Bauer always catches the terrorists when he tortures people....

ZerOhead's picture

But if we shut the CIA down we'd lose golden moments like the Abu Ghraib naked prisoner pyramid...



And 'Frosty the Iceman'...


Gen. Keith Alexander's picture

The CIA and NSA are just the organizations the public knows about. They can take the fall, but the beast will continue.


I'm booking talking engagements, folks!  See my people to reserve a date!

Anusocracy's picture

Little subhuman voters enabling big subhuman torturers.

Nothing wrong with democracy, nothing wrong with government.

All are fools.

Drunk In Church's picture

The CIA is a necessary evil.  But they must be held to account when they fuck up.  I live in the real world.  Bitchez.

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

Jack Donaghy: I'm going to a party tonight honoring Robert Novack, it's being thrown by John McCain and Jack Bauer.

Liz Lemon: Em, I don't think he's real.

Jack Donaghy: [laughs] I assure you, Lemon, John McCain is very real. 

all-priced-in's picture

Every time I hear Obama talking or see his face on the TV it is torture.







daveO's picture

That's why they installed him. To demoralize. 

SF beatnik's picture

Okay, I'm demoralized, already. Big time,

Can we get him off the fucking airwaves, now, so I can safely turn on my TV again?

shouldvekilledthem's picture

so I can safely turn on my TV again?

This is why we are fucked. People are fucking dumb. 

DavidC's picture

Like today for example.


TabakLover's picture

Ron Paul is on a roll........or maybe it's a bagel.

Blue Dog's picture

That's just stupid. Terrorists should be tortured for information. Then executed. They have no rights because they don't wear the uniform of a country's armed forces. 

Ignorance is bliss's picture

And what happens when the government decides you might be a terrorist? Based on the illegal searches that take place at the airport it appears invalids, businessmen, children, and pregnant ladies are potential terrorists. According to the TSA we're all suspects.

putaipan's picture

been looking for a place to drop this all day- on 'democracy now' today scahill was interviewed regarding disclosure of the guide to determine who is on "the terror list"... in the introduction-

terrorism is so broadly defined that it includes people accused of damaging property belonging to the government or financial institutions.

...or finanancial institutions? zh, occupy that means you.

and yet NO MENTION of this during the entire interview (effin' gatekeeprs!)


logicalman's picture

The government is becoming scared of the population, so everyone, to them is a terrorist.

Lies will come back to haunt you.... Bullet proof your limousine. Billy Talent.

kill switch's picture

Torture does not work,,,if you give me a hot lead enema I will confess to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.. just for relief..

FeralSerf's picture

Maybe you should be tortured until you confess to being a terrorist and then executed?

The Church taught that if one was pure then one could resist any amount of torture in the Inquisition.

A recent film, Goya's Ghost, illustrated how nonsensical this notion was (and is).

BigJim's picture

Sorry, no criticism of a Christian institution is allowed. It's only Islam that gets ironically dubbed 'the religion of peace' round here.

Next you'll be saying Darwin may have had a point.

palmereldritch's picture

The primary goal of torture is the de-humanization of the victim AND the torturer.

Kind of like your comment.

Joenobody12's picture

"Terrorists should be tortured for information. "

Look into the mirror, YOU are the terrorist. 

BigJim's picture

Hey, Blue Dog? You wearing a uniform? No? Torture it is, then!

Libertarian777's picture

wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a 'terrorist'?

wasn't Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist'?

who gets to define 'terrorist'? If you're brown you're automatically a terrorist? What if you're asian in WWII? 

What if you're native american?

TeamDepends's picture

Most of the other alphabet-soup agencies, especially DHS and NSA, can go as well.

1stepcloser's picture

Ron you must win over the CIA before you shut it down.  Get thier backing, to make you president, then shut it down.  Then never leave the white house, EVER..never leave..ur dead if you do.

Lord Koos's picture

Have no doubt that the NSA has enough shit to shut Rand Paul up if needed.  

Goldilocks's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeDXnvYUoo (13:57)

worbsid's picture

And NSA too for similar reasons.

George Washington's picture

Thank you, Dr. Paul ...

putaipan's picture

george- some investigatin' regarding my above post. re: scahill/the watchlist and 'financial institutions'... p.please?

HeavydutyMexicanOfTheNorthernKingdom's picture

Ron Paul better settle down before daddy bush issues a neutralization order for his ass.   Doesn't Ron Paul know that narco money is the wd-40 of the global economy?  

Goldilocks's picture

Alex Jones /& Lindsey Williams...
10 Things the Elite Are Planning for You in the Next 4 Years (2013-2016)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ViIGCCsLY (44:10)

syntaxterror's picture

Who will overthrow democratically elected governments if there's no CIA?

q99x2's picture

Genetically modify all CIA and sterilize them bitchez.

Notsobadwlad's picture

Isn't the UN supposed to make the CIA, NSA, DIA etc. all obsolete?

Milton Freewater's picture

Shut down the CIA is a good start.  There are several other alphabet fraternities that should be shut down as well!

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Just another hippy malcontent who hates everything Merica stands for, and the troops! 

Atomizer's picture

Perhaps you need a refresher course in history school. United States of America is how we address our country.

Merica sounds like a Mexican jumping bean illegally crossing the US border fence.

A Dollar Short's picture

Hey dip-spit, you should'a drowned in the Rio Grande.



Oldrepublic's picture

It is high time that the many crimes of the  CIA are exposed. Release of that 6500 page report from the Senate would be a good start.

blindman's picture

the bankers like their cia torture squad.
the argument should be presented to them
directly, the deaf and blindmen.
Antony C. Sutton
.."Between 1961 and 1964 the American casualty roll in Vietnam was relatively light, only 267 killed, and U.S.-Soviet trade was at a low level.

In 1965 the Soviets stepped up the flow of military supplies and equipment to North Vietnam. President Johnson stepped up the flow of technology to the Soviets. The American toll mounted rapidly, demonstrating the absurdity of the trade levels in peace agreement: ..." a.p.s.

lost money's picture

God this guy is such a moron, why do you people keep listening to him?


He has nothing to say but sound bites, memes and simple platitudes that of course bash the USA while giving everyone else in the world a free pass.

thank god he has NEVER gottem clse to the oval office

SuperRay's picture

He's been saying plenty for forty years, you moron.  The reason why he never got to the oval office was because he told the truth, and the establishment hated him for it.  What have you done?


logicalman's picture

It's not just money you lost.

Tried looking for your mind recently?

logicalman's picture

Got to love the guy!

Ron Paul has always looked at things more honestly and logically than any other politician I can even vaguely remember.

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's definitely a guy I'd like to drink a couple of beers with.

As for the rest, they can't even spell the words 'honesty' or 'logic'

I'm surprised he's not been knobbled somehow, before now.


daveO's picture

He's pulling punches here. If he were totally honest, he'd say End the CIA because of JFK, Vietnam, Reagan's attempted assassination, Afghanistan & Columbia narco-trafficking and 9/11. I guess he fears them more than the FED. 

Mesquite's picture

Hope that Constitutional Convention comes to pass..

Michigan was the 34th State..(the required 2/3s)

Bring forth some sanity...

Reign in the Rogues...



honestann's picture

End torture.  End fictions.  End government.  End corporations.  End human predators.  Nope, not gonna happen.  Humans love the soap opera that is human enslavement and destruction.