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Guest Post: Why Impeachment Is Necessary

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Submitted by Monty Pelerin via Economic Noise blog,

The issue of impeachment is now no longer whispered about. Talk is prevalent and a recent poll indicated that 35% of the public believe the president should be impeached. Interestingly, the topic is being promoted more by Democrats than Republicans.

Tactical Impeachment Considerations

Democrats don’t truly believe the President should be impeached, but they see it as a chance, likely their only chance, to bolster their election possibilities this November. A recent CNN poll indicates that Romney would win in a landslide if the presidential election were repeated today. Maybe, maybe not, but the poll is indicative of the pressures all Democrat candidates are under.

Democrats have nothing to run on and there is little reason for their disillusioned base to turn out. The threat of impeachment would likely engage that base. Obama has been a major flop, no a disaster for the country and the Democrat Party. Maligning Republicans or somehow energizing the base is the only hope left for Democrats running in November. That is why they and Obama himself promote the idea of a coming impeachment.

Are Republicans dumb enough to fall for this ploy? Given prior history, this question is not a silly one. Anything is possible and Republicans have an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. However, they are not moving in that direction. The grounds for impeachment are increasing. Obama seems to be going out of his way to enhance these probabilities. I also don’t believe it will happen. And that may be a huge tragedy for the country. No president has deserved impeachment more than the current one.

From a tactical standpoint, there is no reason for Republicans to hint about impeachment in advance of 2014 elections. Republicans are in the driver’s seat and only need to avoid major mistakes in order to achieve what could be a monstrous victory. Given the political calculus, it is natural for them to not risk the apparent landslide. It is in their best interests.

However, that is the central problem of politics today – it is not what is in the best interests of the country but in the best interests of the politicians that dictates what gets decided or done.

Strategic Impeachment Considerations

After this election, considerations for the next election — the presidential election of 2016 — will begin. The same tactical concerns will be raised. The same cowardice and self-interest is likely to prevail.

There is a deeper strategic consideration that should concern citizens and politicians. This issue should transcend parochial political interest and political advantage consideration. Not addressing impeachment threatens what is left of the Rule of Law and the Constitution. Not addressing impeachment ensures greater tyranny in the future.

The current president makes Richard Nixon look like a paragon of truth, integrity and honor in comparison. If Obama doesn’t qualify for impeachment, then nobody ever again will.

It is difficult to imagine worse violations of the Constitution, separation of powers and general dishonor of the office than this president has committed. Yet we assuredly will see worse by successors. Impeachment is necessary in order to preserve what little structure the Founders provided. A line in the sand must be drawn that says to successors where they dare not go. Without impeachment Obama’s acts serve as precedents. Future presidents will have immunity to repeat them and add their own variations and enhancements that further stretch the boundaries.  The absence of action has the unintended effect of further defining presidential deviancy downward.

It doesn’t matter whether it is a Republican or Democrat,  some other low life will gain office and build upon Obama’s violations. Defenders will cite concessions to Obama as precedents for such action. The need for impeachment has little to do with Obama (other than he has, up to now, been the worst offender). It is all about protecting what remains of the Rule of Law and The Constitution. Not impeaching Obama just provides a green light for future presidents to further corrupt the laws of the country and the office of the presidency.

Unless a principled stand is taken now, some future president’s behavior will create nostalgia for Obama. Like Richard Nixon,  Obama’s behavior will seem trivial in comparison to what inevitably follows.

As right as it may be,  impeachment will not happen unless some truly damaging news breaks through regarding the dozen or more alleged scandals associated with the current Administration. Unfortunately, that is unlikely given the utter corruption of the Department of Justice. The lack of action probably dooms the country.

 

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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:21 | 5020315 I am a Man I am...
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Lets get the neocons in so we can kill some folks!!!!   yeeeeeeee hawwwww!!! /epic sarc

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:33 | 5020379 kliguy38
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Reports today say Boner will impeach if O refuses to show up for the 18 hole scramble tournament on Saturday......

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:36 | 5020395 666
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Why waste time impeaching Obummer? Wouldn't it be better to tar and feather him prior to being drawn and quartered?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:43 | 5020429 Boris Alatovkrap
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"Draw and Quarter" - Change you are believe in!

Boris is make literary play of word.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:55 | 5020474 Dollarmedes
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Wait until he's out of office; when he's at his weakest, with no cronies to save him.

The example will serve just as well as in office.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:02 | 5020508 toady
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That's what they said about W. "Surely they'll get him to the Hague for war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc."

But he's still painting pictures of fruit & dogs.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:24 | 5021082 Drunk In Church
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Obama's controlled by his masters--global corporations.  Bitchez.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:07 | 5021451 sylviasays
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"Obama's controlled by his masters--global corporations.  Bitchez."

Here's the reality Marxist bitch: just as long as no TBTF banker goes to jail, Obozo gets to act like a leftist dictator while being dressed in mom's jeans and being married to an ugly man in drag. 

 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:49 | 5021607 Headbanger
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 IMPEACHMENT IS NOW A GOOD THING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!?? WTF!!??

This has got to be the most FUCKING RETARDED ARTICLE on ZH in a while obviously by some fucked up former Obama lover who now wants to see him as JESUS FUCKING CHRIST to be crucified by impeachment for salvation of the retard liberal Democratic Party!

Fuck you Barry and all your fucked up in the head libtarded followers!

But of course this is the New Normal where bad is good somehow.

Then for that matter, bring on the fucking massive solar flare as a good thing to roast these liberal retards!

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:34 | 5021490 IllusionOfChoice
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I agree toady. We needed to impeach Dubs to send a message to the world that the American people don't support terrorism in the middle east - specifically that we didn't support invading sovereign nations unilaterally.

Obama, for all his wrongs and broken promises, doesn't seem to have an Iraq magnitude offense. I guess the worst for me is the continued process of bailing out the banks and co-opting of capitalism in this country - but a lot more people than just big O need to swing for that crime. They need Ricoed here and then let the Hague try Droner in Chief and anyone else they want for war crimes.

It's good to dream guys. Without dreams, the world will never become a better place.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:08 | 5021518 BooMushroom
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An Iraq magnitude offense? How about using the IRS to go after his enemies, or running guns to Mexican drug lords, or usurping powers not delegated to him via his pen and phone? How about assuming the office of president when he is not a natural born citizen? How about going to war without authorization from congress?

Seriously, it's a buffet of offense. But until the Democrat party is interested in the rule of law, impeachment proceedings go nowhere.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 15:42 | 5023916 FrY10cK
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Foxwatch much? You know Limbaugh and Alex Jones are entertainers not journalists right?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:22 | 5021577 fx
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Obama, for all his wrongs and broken promises, doesn't seem to have an Iraq magnitude offense.

You can thank Putin for that since it was Putin who prevented an open war of Obummer against Syria with his last minute intervention that left this disgrace of an American president siuddenly without a pretense to invade another country. And boy, if Putin hadn't persuaded Assad at the time, ISIS would now already control entire Syria and Iraq. But then again, Obummer has two more years for another major blunder - what about becoming the first nobel peace price winner who started a world war? Now, that would make for the history books!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:28 | 5021102 DeadFred
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After his fourth term, can we try him then? I wish it were a joke but why does everyone think this guy won't find a way to do another end-around on the constitution?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:00 | 5020502 Kirk2NCC1701
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Will you settle for "Removed from Office"?

Or "... by unexpected methods at an unexpected time"?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:41 | 5020417 DJ Happy Ending
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What happened after Bill Clinton was impeached? Nothing. It was the equivalent of a demerit in his HR file. A totally pointless exercise.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:47 | 5020447 Skateboarder
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Adapting Twain: "if impeachment made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it."

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:56 | 5020482 Boris Alatovkrap
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More than is one method for remove epidermis of cat.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:47 | 5020726 r0mulus
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exactly, impeachment is a huge fucking waste of time. if people are pissed off, they need to vote an honest, accountable and transparent third party in office. impeaching one republican or democrat and replacing them with other democrats and republicans doesn't uproot any of the controlling establishment that are poisoning this country and its people to death. the roots need to be cleared, not selectively pruned.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:12 | 5021044 mc888
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they need to vote an honest, accountable and transparent third party in office

yeah, and if you could find one, he wouldn't be running for office

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:45 | 5021358 SF beatnik
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When Control finds a president obstructive to its purposes, it has cleaner ways to dismiss him. No need to muck around with impeachment.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:37 | 5021494 IllusionOfChoice
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I'm in favor of a once-a-week +100 vote, and you would get mine. Nail on the head, we need outside the two party box with a genuine leader if we want any hope of solving this rolling humanitarian crisis that is the US presidency.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:48 | 5020452 Boris Alatovkrap
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America is so luck, has Constitution with Article of Impeachment. No nation since time memorial is have such tool for neutralize power of tyranny, but wimp citizenry is fearful of using or is like above post, to ridicule such facility. America citizenry is grow fat and lazy and if wait for political class to exercise prudent path, well, let us just say is like hoping bankster class is control inflation and promoting of employment. Good luck!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:20 | 5020604 disabledvet
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Neuterize" actually. Republicans could simply call for his resignation.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:58 | 5020780 CIABS
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Nothing!!??  It only set the stage for Dubya to get enough votes to put the election within stealing range.  And the rest is some pretty big history...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:03 | 5020798 G-R-U-N-T
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"What happened after Bill Clinton was impeached?"

He became more popular! Just goes to show how perverse America has become!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:51 | 5020972 shonji
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We gotta be more resolute about this. Impeachment has depreciated to subzero since Monica.

The NBA took away Sterling's Clippers. We the People should have taken away Little Billy's female interns, staffers and donors. Now it's time to confiscate O's Tools of Tyranny: teleprompter, pen, and phone.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:24 | 5020973 shonji
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Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:10 | 5021300 DC Exile
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Impeachment by the House of Representatives doesn't mean much unless the Senate convicts and you have removal of the president from office.

Of course, that would mean the vice president becomes president. And the cycle would continue.

Even still there might be value in demonstrating the president isn't above the law. 

 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:12 | 5021515 Felix da Kat
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Impeachment will only serve to embolden democrat voters in November and decreasing chances for republican senate control. Please wake the hell up and start thinking! Obama is playing political chess with some crafty people advising him. He has the queen (media); you don't. You either out-wit he and his advisors or you lose. It is that simple. The game is not over for 30 months yet. The stakes are america's survival.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:04 | 5020807 Woodyg
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Well the oilybomber ought to be impeached for Not prosecuting shrub bush - and how you jump from o to Nixon w/out mentioning the criminal bush presidential clan is astounding.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:42 | 5020424 booboo
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Impale<-------

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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:47 | 5020448 Skateboarder
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<--- Immure

<--- Immolate

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:08 | 5020541 A Lunatic
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<----six of one

<----half dozen of the other

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:24 | 5021322 GooseShtepping Moron
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<----Upvote!

<----Up yours!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:06 | 5020818 El Vaquero
Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:16 | 5020574 midtowng
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For every reason to impeach Obama, there were two reasons to impeach Dubya.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:42 | 5020710 Redneck Hippy
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And Pelerin insists that Obama be impeached without citing one specific example of what he should be impeached for.  Typical teabagger.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:54 | 5020765 booboo
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So you need someone to write it down for you? Typical fleabagger.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:31 | 5020910 shonji
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Neocon is only one alternative my friend. Play close attention to who's being slammed for minding the country's own Fking business, and for that matter, your and my own business.

Or maybe that's what yer saying

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:52 | 5021610 dreadnaught
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the NeoCONs should be rounded up and given a necktie party-they helped get us into this mess

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:28 | 5021334 Freddie
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The USA is doomed.  Get it over with.   Every institution that was supposed to be a check and balance for the citizens has failed due to TOTAL corruption.

1. The ballot box?  It is rigged.

2. The jury box?  Or Judiciary?  Rigged.

3. The Free press and media.  They are the worst.

4. Congress or the Executive branch?  Criminals.

5. Military?  MIC and their intel pals are running the evil show.  Working with the govt and pols with the drug cartels. 

6. The police?  More importantly county sheriffs who are supposedly a final backup.  Good luck.

This leaves us with the cartdridge box and the citizenry.  We already have CONSTITUTIONALLY allowed militias springing up on the border and the Bundy Ranch.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:21 | 5020316 FeralSerf
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President Joe Biden?????

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:28 | 5020349 NoDebt
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Exactly.  Obama choosing Biden was as much a "life insurance policy" as it was a political decision.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:33 | 5020380 jcaz
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Yep- brilliant tactical move, gotta admire that one....   Or not so much....

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:53 | 5020467 holdbuysell
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But...but...but...Biden condones shotguns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafkVM-jnbE&feature=player_embedded

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:01 | 5020478 NoDebt
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And there you have another good reason the Dems would never vote for impeachment.  Uncle Joe is a total wild card.  He could fuck up everyone's plans, Dems included, with a single sentence.

The man single-handedly turned the administration's official position on gay marriage from "technically against, but no strong opinion on the matter" to "we fully support it" in 5 seconds flat by opening his yap in front of a camera.  You think other politicians don't notice shit like that?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:24 | 5020623 disabledvet
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Just point the bony finger of death and all will be forgiven.

Don't forget going to church on Sunday either.  "We Christians are winners!" Should work okay too.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:32 | 5021343 Freddie
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Somebody in Biden's family may have once done something good for America.  O's family are all intelligence cutouts from Langley.  They are as real as Adam Lanza, his mom and dad - who apparently never really existed. No one in his family did anything good and his "white" family is fiction.

Biden would be exponentially better than Obama.  He would get away with nothing and might actually do something good.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:12 | 5021464 sylviasays
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"Somebody in Biden's family may have once done something good for America."

His son? Ukrainian energy firm hires Biden’s son as lawyer:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/7/ukrainian-energy-firm-hir...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:40 | 5020697 r0mulus
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How? Biden is obviously a great supporter of the financial establishment. How the hell do you think Delaware got the way it is?

If anything, Biden is around to remind Barry of his obligations to wall street and make sure he does the "right thing" always.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:40 | 5020413 TheRideNeverEnds
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yea, right?

 

Its a damn good thing what the little people think has basically zero effect on public policy or political actions as shown by that recent study.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:50 | 5020457 dobermangang
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At every White House meeting, Obama is always the dumbest guy in the room.  Well, at least until Biden walks in.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:38 | 5020925 shonji
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YES!

My old drinking buddy JoeB can WIN running on being 1/64 Cherokee. Nobody could argue he looks less injun than Liz "Crockagawea" Warren. Then there's Once-a-Jew Hillary "Zelig" Clinton. It's a winner!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:22 | 5020320 CCanuck
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Impeachment will start "The Great American Race War"

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:23 | 5020323 TeamDepends
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No, arresting him is necessary.  Impeachment is but another side-show.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020521 Kirk2NCC1701
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You DO know that the Secret Service (the other SS) officially works for the Fed?

You gonna arrest him?  FBI?  Federal Marshalls?  The DOD brass?  LMFAO.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:20 | 5020594 Psquared
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A military coup is probably the only thing that might change the direction this country is headed. I wouldn't mind seeing an army detail marching the SCOTUS out with their hands up in the air and putting them in cars to be taken somewhere to be held under house arrest. Take Congress while you're at it.

Of course I'm not serious. A coup would start a domino effect no one could possibly anticipate. But I am willing to bet it has crossed more than one General's mind.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:07 | 5020822 TheReplacement
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Eventually there comes a point where military coup is preferable.  Fortunately I feel we are not there (not disarmed) nor do I feel our current top level brass would be a good selection for the job.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:35 | 5021537 Urban Redneck
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Military coups are often lead by junior officers, precisely because the brass are the hand picked sycophants of the oligarchy.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:23 | 5020327 stinkhammer
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never go full retard

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:26 | 5020337 Cognitive Dissonance
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"A line in the sand must be drawn that says to successors where they dare not go. Without impeachment Obama’s acts serve as precedents. Future presidents will have immunity to repeat them and add their own variations and enhancements that further stretch the boundaries.  The absence of action has the unintended effect of further defining presidential deviancy downward."

Nearly word for word this was said just before G W Bush hit the midpoint in his second term.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:30 | 5020360 NoDebt
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Shoulda done him, too.  But point well taken.  And probably good evidence the author is right about it getting worse with each successive president.  Up arrow.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:28 | 5020640 disabledvet
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Cost ford the reelect. Depends on "views of transition" and other legal entanglements.  Either way "Republicans et al crush the opposition.". Not saying I agree with the outcome....just being Captain Obvious at this point.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:56 | 5020406 toady
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And then, as now, there's no "there" there. What is his impeachable offense?

Everybody's running around... impeach! IMPEACH! but no one says what can be proven under the law. Back in the W days the response was the Iraq fiasco, or the patriot act. But those were all voted on and past. Maybe this time they can get him on some of his executive orders, something the rest of the .gov shills didn't sign off on, but it has to be something a special prosecutor can prove legally.

Paging Ken Starr, Ken Starr, please pick up the white courtesy phone...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:58 | 5020485 NoDebt
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If you look closely, the Constitution actually reads "high crimes and misdemeanors (or utter incompetence, take your pick)"

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020533 toady
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Either or. Someone has to stand up and speak legal mumbo-jumbo convincingly.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:33 | 5020668 disabledvet
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The constitution also allows for a question of fitness.  In military parlance "lack of motivation."  Probably a little extreme but we are "bringing the boys home" after 13 years of total war.  

Which ironically enough has meant "ramping up" not winding down.

Part of the job description is understanding how to explain ye olde "ramping up as winding down."

"Winding down as ramping up" is a no no.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:58 | 5020742 toady
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Maybe they'll get him with that one. He has been a unmotivated piece of shit for a while now.  

 

I'm sure he'll counter with "I show up every day" and "I try real hard" like any slacker worth his salt would.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:47 | 5021502 August
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>>>The constitution also allows for a question of fitness.

You don't really need a crime/misdemeanor at all.  You just need the votes, and there is no appeal.

What the USA really needs is dismemberment.  Unfortuately, for the State-worshipers, and they are legion, this option is unthinkable. At present.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:53 | 5020722 t0mmyBerg
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Proved legally?  No, it just has to convince the house and most of the Senate.  And if you cant see the "there" there you are either blind or willfully stupid.  Do you not think that the white house directed the neutering of the conservative groups by the IRS?  The IRS people came into the white house where they were told what to do.  Obama delegated management to Valerie who delegated it to Lerner.  There will not be any emails but if you had tapes pof their conversations in the White House I bet you would hear the plot hatched.  Cui bono?  Obama thats who.

Nixon could only dream of using the IRS as Obama has.  Wake up man.

But in the end it will not happen.  Impeachment is a poltical act and they would need political cover, especially after Clinton and especially because they do not want to be the guys to have impeached the first Black president, same reason that he IS president, the people decided they were going to have a black president and that he was going to get a full two terms.  So we are doomed, not because he is black but because he is a statists statist

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:17 | 5020775 toady
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Exactly. There won't be any impeaching while the Senate is blue.

 

And even then, nobody is stupid enough to tape conversations since Nixon. Next.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:29 | 5020352 Gift Whores
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Are we still talking about Republicans and Democrats?  

As if enough Gaussian Blur hasn't been added?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:34 | 5020385 jcaz
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Doesn't really matter anymore.....

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:29 | 5020353 Number 156
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The problem is, that nobody in Washington will do anything. Everyone knows this.
Obama could perform child sacrifice right there in the rose garden and nothing will happen to him.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:32 | 5020372 NoDebt
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My favorite quote (from another ZH'er) is that he could shoot a 10 year old blind girl dead in the Rose Garden and nothing would be done about it.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:29 | 5020354 Surging Chaos
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Impeachment is the populist response, but it does nothing to solve the root of the problem. Don't get me wrong, Obama absolutely deserves to be impeached (and Bush Jr. should have been too, along with a bunch of other presidents), but are we going to be better off with President Biden? Yeah...

To paraphrase LawsofPhysics, nothing changes until the guillotines are rolled out for the bankers.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:39 | 5020403 GooseShtepping Moron
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To everyone lamenting about the possibility of a President Biden, remember that impeachment does not mean "removal from office." Impeachment is simply a trial. And yes, Obama ought to be tried and his policies stopped and/or reversed by a determined HoR.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:24 | 5020626 Psquared
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Then you should know that his policies would not be on trial UNLESS he is removed. Even then someone would have to reverse them. An impeachment trial has no effect on Presidential Orders given before removal unless and until the person who takes his places cancels them.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:04 | 5020806 GooseShtepping Moron
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That is not true at all. The House has plenty of ways to tie the hands of a disgraced president, as long as it has a majority united under the guidance of a strong leader. The legislative branch need not simply sit by whilst the policies of a lame duck work themselves out on autopilot. The trial alone, if it proved popular, would provide sufficient politial capital to effectively und the past six Obama years.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:33 | 5020664 toady
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Exactly. It's all recent history.  Nixon. Clinton. Are the school systems really that bad?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:01 | 5020794 NoPension
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It's not even a trial. It's an indictment .

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:31 | 5020358 grunk
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I have never understood why the Repugs don't go into the hoods and to the universities and take the offensive on the Dems.

Other than collusion.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:31 | 5020367 buzzsaw99
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a congreff that shirks its responsibility to produce a gubbermint budget every year wants to impeach the president? the moist corrupt clowngress in history wants to impeach the president? that's a laugher.

You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order! [/And Just Us 4 None]

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:32 | 5020368 Steverino
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Take the Senate then impeach...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:36 | 5020389 Duffy Duck
Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:36 | 5020394 potato
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funny. think Biden will be better?

hold on i'm on the floor choking from laughter

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020531 Kirk2NCC1701
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No, but white people and the MSM won't have to feel guilty about arresting Biden.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020536 Dr. Engali
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Yes, yes I do believe Biden would be better. At least we could have a few chuckles and I can guarandamntee you that Biden would go around the world intentionally pissing people off.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:37 | 5020397 Everyman
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There will be NO imeachment proceedings. Why?  Because IF they statred NOW, it would not be finished until the election and it would destroy the GOP.  I am all for that, I am a former GOPer, and I am OUT of the "Red Team/Blue Team" dynamic as it is not anything that matters.  Are there impeachable offenses?  YES!  but it is a sucicide mission for anyone that tries.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:39 | 5020408 holdbuysell
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Throw them all out presented in a rather creative view, if theory works in practice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0v-fUI5oBA  (3 mins)

Part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sBVT7AmPNy0 (13 mins)

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:40 | 5020411 barroter
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Sure. Obama WH can subpoena Cheney, Bush and the entire last administration as witnesses for the defense. Imagine the comedy!

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:20 | 5020866 Clowns on Acid
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IDJIT,,,,,,

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:42 | 5020421 I Write Code
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The president and congress have not passed a budget since the start of the Obamanation.

Someone damn well ought to be impeached, meaning impeached, convicted, AND REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

Which, you will note, has never before actually occurred in the US at the presidential level.

Of course this cannot get off the ground in the Senate today because of the execrable Harry Reid, who acts three times dumber than Obama and with less excuse, but Reid is only doing his party's wishes so he is hardly alone.  Impeachment is after all a political action and not a legalistic one, and with Reid blocking the aisle it is entirely a no-go and there is no reason to talk of it.  Now, should the Republicans retake the Senate and the majority leader's role it could at least be entertained, but could it reach conviction and removal?  If you shoot at the throne you must succeed.  Clinton was impeached and not convicted and that was worse than if he had been left alone.

So "is impeachment necessary"?  No, but it would be extremely helpful if it could run to completion.  And who knows, it may just be too fucking late, America 1.0 may just be obsolete, please update your browser now.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:44 | 5020431 W.M. Worry
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This is a joke, right? As if a Republican Administration would be an improvement over a Democratic Administration and vice versa. And you can count the members of Congress who aren't corrupt, lying, theiving assholes on one hand. Our Government is no longer funtional and it can't be fixed from within.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:05 | 5021514 August
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>>>It may just be too fucking late

Indeed.  As many have observed, it's too late to work within the system.  The system itself has to be replaced in way that can only be decribed as "extra-legal".   All "legal", in-system approaches are dead-ends; they've already been purchased or co-opted. 

No one can say what form the reconfiguration, or end, of the current US system will take, but you can bet that it will involve bloodshed, and not campaign contributions.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:45 | 5020433 Super Hans
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I just want to go a head and thank my parents generation for destroying our country,  

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:19 | 5020863 Cobra
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Dude, it was before mainstream internet... There's no way they could have known!

/s

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:46 | 5020443 JLee2027
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I wouldn't expect the cowards in Congress to do anything. Maybe after the election, but only, there is a vast takeover by people of actual principle.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:47 | 5020449 lasvegaspersona
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Pat Buchanan made a good argument that impeachment would only lead to the Democrats using it as a way to boost turnout in the Fall elections.  He is probably correct. Nevetheless it should be done because it is the right thing to do. Let the election be damned.

From a clearly problamatic birth certificate, bad draft card and duplicate Social Security numbers to the obvious lack of regard for constitutional limits of presidental power, Obama is deserving of impeachment. Perhaps the process might also be an indictment of the media that failed horribly to question the background and politics of the boy from Hawaii.

He should be sacked because it is the right thing to do and the only thing that might save the country. We will have a currency crisis soon and it would be great to see the man take the blame but I'm afraid that even a currency crisis would be nothing compared to what this person with unknown political goals might do.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:31 | 5020544 honestann
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Actually, I think you stumbled upon the perfect "out" for the republicracts.  Seriously brilliant you are!  By accident?

The republicrats should completely stop all discussion of impeachment.

Then they should pass a law that requires that absolute proof of citizenship be provided by all past and current living presidents, plus all future presidents.

#####  KABOOM  #####

Can you spell "sudden illness" and "resignation"?

This would also eliminate Obamacare and everything else passed by the federal government since Obama took office.  All in one swoop!

Brilliant, you are!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:05 | 5020811 NoPension
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No laws " ex post facto"
Nice try though.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 16:28 | 5020946 honestann
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Wrong.  The requirements for president have existed FOR DECADES.  To require someone provide proof they are eligible for president is no different than some cop requiring you provide proof you are eligible to drive.

So you are correct about "no ex post facto", but "ex post facto" has NOTHING to do with the law I proposed.

And as a matter of fact, it is crucial that the fictional federal government find out which laws and bills and statutes and other nonsense they've passed that are null and void, so they can stop enforcing non-law, non-bills, non-statutes, non-regulations, etc.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:48 | 5020455 nmewn
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No impeachment, let these motherfuckers stew in their own juices.

They own it ;-)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:03 | 5020510 Dr. Engali
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Two words.... Chimp out.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:05 | 5021450 Kelley
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There's a real problem with your desire to punish congress.

 

WE are the ones getting effed, not Congress. Losing the country for a dictatorship is a pretty big deal.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:52 | 5020456 Leraconteur
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provides a green light for future presidents to further corrupt the laws of the country and the office of the presidency.

Unless a principled stand is taken now, some future president’s behavior will create nostalgia for Obama. Like Richard Nixon,  Obama’s behavior will seem trivial in comparison to what inevitably follows.

 

Imagine a vengeful feminist as POTUS with the NSA at her beck and call as Obama had it to punish Tea Party members and groups. This time it will be men, and anyone associated with the Men's Rights segment of society.

Fascism in America.

Now imagine nostalgia for Hillary in 16 years. Imagine how poorly her successor will behave. Perhaps a Latino exacting revenge on whitey again. Open borders, 10's of millions crossing annually.

By the time I visit the USA again in 10+ years it will be beyond recognisable, and I don't recognise the country now.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:48 | 5021605 dreadnaught
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Hillary, Biden, or worse any Republican will be the downfall of this country for POTUS

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:59 | 5020459 DIgnified
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Impeachment?  Yes.  After the election this November.  No helping with momentum. The left is lazy and complacent, so long as they think the free ride is still ongoing.  Keep it that way. 

 

Way to downvote common sense.  Yeah, let's give them a donation bonanza and popularity boost.  Fucking retard. Fuck up a wet dream. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:04 | 5020505 honestann
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I hate to disagree with (or nitpick) this article, but I must.  If the author thinks not impeaching Obama will set precedents... what precedents does the author imagine will be set if impeachment is attempted --- then fails???  Yup, a worse precedent.

I also must take issue with the idea that any remnant of the constitution can be saved.  The constitution was vaporized decades ago, if not centuries.

Lincoln completely nuked the USA and constitution in the 1860s.

Wilson nuked the USA and constitution again in 1913 by instituting the federal reserve and income taxes.

What's his name nuked the USA and constitution again with the gold confiscation, revaluation, and creation and expansion of "new deal" socialism and tyranny in the 1930s.

Johnson nuked the USSA and constitution again with the Vietnam War and "great society" tyranny and socialism.

Nixon nuked the USSA and constitution again with the permanent disconnect of the dollar from gold and silver.

Geez, I almost forgot... who was it that purposely crafted events to assure Japan would attack the US, so he had an excuse to get into WW2?

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Seriously.  The USA has been toast since before the constitution was signed!

Plus, since when can a couple dozen jerks smear ink on paper and... somehow... magically... obligate tens or hundreds of millions of human beings (even 240 years later)?  Obviously any claim that a couple dozen jerks can smear ink on paper and somehow actually and legitimately obligate endless others to anything is clearly utterly and totally false (and completely insane).

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Impeach and remove [from existence] everyone and everything who believes they have any authority over anyone else.

That's the only action that can possibly make a dimes worth of difference on this insane planet of sheeple-chimps.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020529 Skateboarder
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Another out-of-the-ballpark post, honestann.

There are only two types of people: those who believe that other people are their property, and those who don't.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:42 | 5020560 honestann
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There are only two types of people: those who believe other people are their property, and those who don't.


Damn straight!     +10^4096

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:13 | 5020549 you enjoy myself
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impeachment is not how the executive's power (and, for that matter, Washington's) is going to be reined in.  congress has shown they're perfectly happy to cede their power when the executive overreach comes from their team, and the judiciary doesn't want to get bogged down in a political power struggle.  the check is going to eventually come from the states asserting their sovereignty and rebelling against the Feds.  it will start with single issues - CO/WA preventing DEA agents from raiding pot dispenseries, TX/AZ patrolling the border with their national guards and actually detaining illegals, CA saying to hell w/ the Delta Smelt we're turning the water back on, etc. 

that's when the real fireworks start.  if i had to bet, i'd say Obama unilaterally granting "work permits" to 5+ million is what kicks it off. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:17 | 5020578 dobermangang
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"If Obama wants to be impeached so bad, why wait on Congress? Hell, just sign an executive order." - Iowahawk

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/40-years-after-Watergate-the...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:18 | 5020579 Dr. Engali
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Impeachment....... Lol..... What in the hell do you think the African American community would do if the republicans (who already can't garner more than 10% of their vote) impeached the first black president. The Rodney King riots would be a marshmallow roast compared to what would take place. Impeachment ? Nope it will never happen.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:25 | 5020628 honestann
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At this point... I'm not so sure.  Please do remember how much more aggressive and violent the police state has become under King Obamastan!  And who do you think suffers the consequences of this atrocity vastly more than anyone else?

You may be right, but... I'm not convinced.

Still, I think lasvegaspersona had the best idea (further down).

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:53 | 5020751 Dr. Engali
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Spend some time talking with them. Regardless of what you may think he has their total support in this area. Look at the cities of racism just because a person disagrees with him. I can guarantee you that if the repukes ever pursued impeachment, it would be ugly. Fuck, I remember when OJ was acquitted. It didn't matter that he killed Nicole Brown, the only thing that mattered was that OJ got off and stuck it to the man.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:01 | 5020768 honestann
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I accept your opinion as plausible for lack of a way to be sure.  However, if you're correct, this is one more reason to approach this the other way, via a law that requires every living current and past president to provide absolute proof of their eligibility for president, and also require all future presidents [and other fictional offices] to provide the same before they run for their fictional office.

I moved away from the USSA ~3 years ago, so I have no effective or convenient way talk with anyone in the USSA any more.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:58 | 5020769 honestann
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ZH posting error (duplicate).

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:49 | 5020906 honestann
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It did matter (to the jury, apparently) that the cops lied and fabricated evidence in the OJ trial.  The fact is, whether OJ killed Nicole or not, he had to be found "not guilty" unless the evidence against him went "beyond any reasonable doubt".  As much as many people didn't like it, the evidence was not beyond any reasonable doubt, especially considering intentional misbehavior by cops and prosecution.

It is sad when a guilty party "walks" (if that's what happened).  You may think the reaction of "black folks" was inappropriate.  Frankly, I think the reaction of "other folks" was even worse.

Everyone should be aware how grossly the cops and prosecution behaved, and how important is the standard of proof required to bring in a "guilty" decision.  Maybe both reactions to that decision were inappropriate.  I wouldn't be surprised.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:02 | 5021448 Kelley
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The black community is really unhappy with Obama now that Obama is heading up the foreign invasion. They'd be glad to see him go.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:39 | 5020615 honestann
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234 year old news flash:  The "founders" were religious children, and the USA was a joke.  The USA is simply a combination of "the trinity" (a fundamental concept of their Christian ideology) combined with the childish game called "Simon Says".

God the son == congress.
God the father == president.
God the holy ghost == supreme court.

And the game they play is "Simon Says"... everyone must obey.

What a joke!  How clueless can sheeple-chimps be, to fall for that?  Seriously!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:23 | 5020618 orangegeek
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Impeachment would be doing Barry a favor

 

Let this shit show continue for a few more months - Barry will quit on his own

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:33 | 5020651 22winmag
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Are you shitting me? Impeachment would catapult shotgun Joe Biden to the presidency.

 

I'll settle for a military coup by the white hats in the Navy and the Pentagon.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:54 | 5021956 MickV
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Joe Biden would be able to do nothing but occupy the office.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:35 | 5020667 MickV
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Hussein Obama, domestic enemy Usurper of the US Presidency, does not have to be "Impeached". Since he is not a natural born Citizen, due to birth as a British subject of a British subject father (See Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167, Vattel, Law of Nations, Porter Morse, A Treatise on Citizenship, and Federalist 68---NATURAL BORN CITIZENS ARE THOSE BORN IN A COUNTRY OF PARENTS WHO ARE ITS CITIZENS).

If the POTUS, the executor of the laws, is an illegal entity then there is no law--- and that is what you see happening before your eyes. Those that claim Biden is worse are simply ignorant, since a legal executor of the laws, who is subject to the laws, is certainly better than an illegal Executor of the laws, who makes the law himself. It is right before your eyes. Obama is the poster boy for why a natural born Citizen is required, and he is the wet dream of the NWO. who sought to void the US Const. by installing an illegal executive officer

Hussein Obama and Eric Holder now preside over, and run interference for, the Cloward Piven destruction of the US, attacking every aspect of American life, from our money to the borders, to religion, to marriage, to gun ownership, and even to sport---- all being attacked by invented crisis, and "fixing" the invented crisis--- that's how the fellow travelers roll.

Hussein Obama does not have to be "IMPEACHED", he can simply be REMOVED (See the 25th Amendment) due to "INABILITY", i.e Constitutional Disability, i.e a finding of ineligibility by a circuit Court (a body created by Congress--- see 25th Amendment S. 4, and 3 US Code 19.

"Inability" does not mean "Vacancy" (death, resignation), or "Disability" (mental or physical disability), so it has to mean "Constitutional Disability" (See 12th Amendment, that the VP will assume the office in the case of the Constitutional disability of the President, and also A2S1C6, in the case of "INABILITY".

There is a case in the SCOTUS now asking mandamus to the Circuit Court of Fla. to make a decision that is forthcoming by Florida Law (Fl ss. 102.268(1)(3)(b))--- a determination as to the eligibility of Barack Obama, filed timely after the General election. It asks the question--- Is the determination of eligibility for the Presidency a "political question', reserved to Congress, or is it Judicial, determined upon challenge to the courts.

Those silly enough to think eligibility does not matter do not deserve the US Constitution. The NWO knows it does matter, which is why other non natural born ineligible POTUS and VP candidates are lined up on the R side. Cruz, Jindal, and Rubio were all born of foreign parentage, and are not eligible for POTUS or VP. In 2008 McCain was not eligible either since he was born in the PCZ (and no, military bases are not US territoty--- See FAM 7). There were TWO ineligible candidates in 2008--- talk about stacking the odds.

Congress, essentially blackmailed for allowing the domestic enemy Obama to attain the Presidency, now is a rubber stamp, as is the media, who acts to protect both-- for they are the Usueful idiots.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:20 | 5020865 honestann
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!!! Geez !!!  To me, the most amazing part of your post is... how many likely candidates for fictional president in 2016 are not eligible, and the fact neither presidential candidate was eligible in 2008 and 2012.  If that isn't a statement of "game over" by the NWO to everyone half awake, I don't know what is.  Thanks.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:00 | 5021445 Kelley
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McCain WAS eligible because military bases are considered to be part of the USA. We don't punish diplomats or the military for having ineligible children while they are serving their country.

 

But Rubio, Cruz and Jindal are not eligible.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:50 | 5021931 MickV
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Military bases are NOT considerd part of the USA

 

7 FAM 1113 (c)(1):c.

Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad: (1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth. c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad: (1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth. Foreig
Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:53 | 5021952 MickV
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McCain needed the effect of 8 US Code 1403 to be a US Citizen, i.e "Birth of a child to US Citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.

Natural born Citizens need no statute to be a US Citizen--- they just are by nature. That is why there is no written statute on the books defining natural born Citizen, as it is defined by the law of nature.

Look at the Preamble "and to our progeny".

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 16:36 | 5024207 honestann
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This could be a purposeful setup by the NWO (with knowledge and cooperation by those ineligible republicrats) to assure Hilary is elected.  If by some chance she loses, they simply give her the office "because the other guy wasn't eligible and she has the next highest number of votes or delegates".

The NWO predators love sick jokes and manipulations.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:35 | 5020670 honestann
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Forget impeachment.  lasvegaspersona posted the best approach further down.  Namely...

Congress should pass a simple law that requires absolute proof of citizenship be provided by all past living presidents, the current president, plus all future presidents.

#####  POOF  #####

All of a sudden Obama suffers a strange "illness" and "resigns".

And everything congress has passed since he took office is null and void, Obamacare included.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:36 | 5020683 MickV
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It is not necessarily proof that Hussein Obama is a "Citizen". He must be a natural born Citizen to be eligible (A2S1C5).

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:41 | 5020689 honestann
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Yes, I should have said "eligibility".  An interesting point: this approach would mean he never WAS president, so no need for impeachment or removal.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:43 | 5020716 MickV
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There is a process described in the 25th Amendment and 3 US Code 19 for the removal of a President who has an "INABILITY", i.e Constitutional disability--- see the post below. And yes, his Presdiency would be null and void...

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:15 | 5020724 honestann
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Yeah, but technically that is self-contradictory.  If he was never eligible, he never was president.  And therefore, technically speaking, Obamastan cannot be removed from being what he is not and never was.

#1:  To BECOME president, he had to be eligible.

#2:  He was NOT eligible, so he never became president.

#3:  Therefore Obama cannot be removed from president.

Of course, he does need to be hung for his atrocities, but that's an entirely separate matter.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:40 | 5021595 MickV
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No it's not. Clearly there were processes made into the Constitution if it was found that sitting President does not qualify. A2S1C6, 12th Amendment, and 25th Amendment (3 US Code 19).

 For instance:

"And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President." 12th Amendment

That section of the 12th Amendment was made into the 25th Amendment, titled, "Presidential Vacancy, Disability and Inability"

 

Section 4 25th Amendment:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

3 US Code 18 is the statutory framework of the 25th Amendment

a(2) 3 US Code 19:

(a)

(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President. (2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection.

 

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. - See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment25/amendment.html#sthash.frQGmc... Presidential Vacancy, Disability, and Inability Presidential Vacancy, Disability, and Inability
Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:48 | 5024279 honestann
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(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President...

You're obviously a smart guy, so I'm not sure why you can't see the logical contradiction here.  As further support, look at the above segment from your message.  Read it carefully.

It discusses what to do when "there is neither president or vice president".  That's not the same as removing a president (or vice president).

Also, any phrase with "unable" is irrelevant.  These days even a trained chimpanzee is able to execute the powers and duties of president.  Which is why the operant term must be "ineligible" or "not eligible".  Those are the phrases that are relevant... if you want to get rid of Obamastan.

And again, since he was "ineligible to be president", he never was president.  What needs to happen is... for people to recognize this, then act upon this.

This is analogous to requirements to pass a law.  If those requirements were not met, the law never existed (is and was "null and void"), even if millions of people thought the law existed.  Ditto for Obama as president.

Also... sadly... look carefully at your (2) sentence above in boldface.  Do you notice anything?  Yup, something is missing that was in the (1) sentence... the "failure to qualify" requirement.  OOPS... so AGAIN (very strange), technically speaking this is another fail.

PS:  The democrats are complete liars, but they're not complete morons.  If these technicalities are obvious to me, they will become obvious to them too.  As well as supreme court judges looking for any possible excuse to not do the right thing (because NSA has lots of real and fictional dirt on them).

For any approach to work in the real world, it must be clear, simple and unavoidable.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:42 | 5021602 dreadnaught
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and that pipe dream has been going of for how many years now?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:43 | 5020712 mastersnark
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The guaranteed failure to convict after impeachment will only embolden him. He'll treat it as a referendum on his decisions and an express approval of his conduct.

The only way to stop him is to stop obeying his employees.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:54 | 5020747 2discern
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The main issue to consider is the complete breakdown of branches of government. The main reason an illegal, impostor with yet to be vetted qualifications occupies the Oval office is the complicit corruption of judicial, executive and legislavtive branches. The proof of fabricated ID for barry soetero, the fake SS#, the forged Selective Service registration is old news not acted upon. Thus, the Republic has been hijacked long ago and the smoke & mirrors of, for & by the people is a complete facade. 

Serfdom has escalated to new levels. Discovery of domestic capture is slow for most Americans to comprehend. We've fallen and can't get up. The life alert is only a revolution away. Freedom beckons, few will seize it.

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:56 | 5020772 q99x2
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Dude's got the world in a mess.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:00 | 5020788 Wahooo
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obama wouldn't fight it. He has accomplished the job he was paid to do. I doubt he cares how he leaves office. He is a winner, a success.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:01 | 5020791 williambanzai7
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And the plan...Joe becomes Presidente

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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:03 | 5020799 americanspirit
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YES - not only impeach but sign the war crimes convention and send the Obama admin + the Bush admin to the Hague in cuffs.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:41 | 5021600 dreadnaught
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send Cheney and Netanyaho to the Chair

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:05 | 5020812 NickVegas
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One word, treason.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:20 | 5020867 oncefired
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Fuck impeachment! A good old fashion revolution will work much better and we get the added bonus of beheading the beauracracy and a bunch of low life politicians!

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