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The "Most Significant Danger" According To Elliott's Paul Singer
While we have 'joked' about it in the past, Elliott Management's Paul Singer believes "there is one risk that stands way above the rest in terms of the scope of potential damage adjusted for the likelihood of occurrence" - an electromagnetic pulse (EMP).
Did someone EMP the 9th floor at Liberty 33?
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) June 24, 2014
Did someone launch an EMP next to the BATS New Jersey exchange? Spoos now decidedly ungreen
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) April 3, 2014
Not a laughing matter....
Exceprted from Elliott Management's latest letter from Paul Singer,
EMP: THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DANGER
While these pages are typically overflowing with scary or depressing scenarios, there is one risk that stands way above the rest in terms of the scope of potential damage adjusted for the likelihood of occurrence. Even nuclear war is a relatively localized issue, except in its most extreme form. And the threat from asteroids can (possibly) be mitigated.
The risks associated with electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, represent another story entirely. It can occur naturally, from solar storms that send “coronal mass ejections,” which are massive energetic bursts of solar wind, tens of millions of miles in a mere few hours. Or it can be artificial, produced by a high-altitude (at least 15 miles) explosion of relatively low-yield (even Hiroshima-strength) nuclear weapons.
Different initiators of EMP have different pulses and different effects. But the bottom line is that EMP fries electronic devices, including parts of electric grids. In 1859, a particularly strong solar disturbance (the “Carrington Event”) caused disruption to the nascent telegraph network. It happened again with similar disruptions in 1921, before our modern power grid came into existence. A NASA study concluded these events have typically occurred around once per century. A repeat of the Carrington Event today would cause a massive disruption to the electric grid, possibly shutting it down entirely for months or longer, with unimaginable consequences.
Only two years ago, the sun let loose with a Carrington-magnitude burst, but the position of the earth at the time prevented the burst from hitting it. The chances of additional events of such magnitude may be far greater than most people think.
The artificial version of EMP, a kind of nuclear attack, would require between one and three high-altitude nuclear explosions to create its effect across all of North America. It would not cause any blast or radiation damage, but such an attack would have consequences even more catastrophic than a severe solar storm. It could not only bring down the grid, but also lay down a very intense, very fast pulse across the continent, damaging or destroying electronic switches, devices, computers and transformers across America.
There is no way to stop a naturally occurring EMP, and nuclear proliferation, combined with advances in weapons delivery systems, make the artificial version a distinct possibility, so the dangers are very real.
What can be done about this risk? Critical elements of the power grid and essential electronic devices can be hardened. Spare parts can be stockpiled for other, less critical hardware. Procedures can be developed as part of emergency preparedness so that the relevant government agencies and emergency response NGOs are ready to respond quickly and effectively to an episode large or small.
Why are we writing about EMP? Because in any analysis of societal risk, EMP stands all by itself. Congressional committees are studying this problem, and federal legislation is laboriously working its way through the process. We think that raising people’s consciousness about what should be an effort by both parties to make the country (and the world) safer from this kind of event is a good thing to do.
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Hedge your bets ladies and gentleman
Invest in a Faraday cage today
Does this mean I shuddn't be too worried about gluten?
Seth Rogen - Can't eat at Carl's Jr. I'm on a gluten free diet.
Jay Baruchel - You don't even know what gluten is.
Seth Rogen - Sure I do. Calories are gluten....fat is gluten
Cut scene to them chowing on Carl's Jr burgers
You should be worried a high-carb diet.
Diabetes-warrier.net
Goob tried to shut him down, too truthy.
EMP=Debt Jubilee
Who could imagine that the sine wave was actually the enemy of darkness!
On your knees prols! Pray for appropriate megatonage high in the ionosphere.
Hook Line and Fourier Transform
Discussion of this is a troll magnet as we have seen. Right now the sun to the surprise of scientists is relativly calm but can change rapidly.
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7245
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6211
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7699
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7330
When sun spot activity is reduced, the corresponding effect is that the earths magnetosphere actually diminishes. That said, if a CME is ejected from a delta (up to delta-gamma range) after a period of low sunspot activity, the earth deflects much less incoming, and gets it much worse.
When the Markets crater, moments after the PTB get all their $$$ out............. Boom! EMP.
i'm sure as we speak the NSA is hardening its servers and computers against such an occurence
Actually, an EMP would make NSA obsolete.
The problem with instigating an EMP is the counter strike.
Huge numbers of Americans would die in an EMP. The primary problems would be disease due to poor sanitation and unclean water. Next would be interruptions in medical supplies to the chronically unhealthy. And within a month or so, HUNGER.
How many people know how to make a well? How many people have seed? Or know when and how to plant and harvest it?Outside the municipalities, people would probably do okay, if they can avoid the hordes of irresponsible zombies fleeing the populous areas and looking to steal or kill their way to survival.
But how long would the EMP delay the nuclear Counter-Strike? Maybe 15 minutes.
The advantage to an EMP is that it leaves the continent viable, but vulnerable.
The disadvantage of EMP is that there is no way to stop with the EMP. It will always revert to a hot nuclear war.
I've been keeping my eye on those zombie Demorats! Yur right they r a scarey lot!
This could NEVER happen in my area - we have only responsible zombies.
/sarc
www.emp-safeguard.com
No worries, Congress is studying the problem.
I was worried until you said that.
I was not worried.......until you said that.
Relax, they are top men.
Yes Yes ... and they're going to pass some more legislation:
"...and federal legislation is laboriously working its way through"
Phew........ that'll be alright then.
Operation Mayhem Mach 2.0 will only require two or three small EMP weapons and the mayhem component will be much higher than in the last iteration.
Also note that firearms, cannons, grenades, mines, and surface to air projection are almost universally completely mechanical devices and thus would still function after an EMP. Just imagine warfare conditions where communications and personnel transportation are Napoleaonic and the infantry weaponry and munitions are entirely modern.
Yeah, an excellent example of the extremely UNSYMMETRICAL effects of any of the long list of possible future mega-disasters.
Somewhere, deeply buried under bullshit, is "reality" within a social situation almost totally dominated by enforced frauds. Since society has always been controlled by lies backed by violence, while exponentially advancing science and technology has been pumping those social pyramid systems up and up, order of magnitude after order of magnitude, to become astronomically sized enforced frauds, the greatest single threat to human beings continues to be human beings, ONLY MUCH MORE SO THAN EVER BEFORE!
While, of course, nature is infinitely bigger, and therefore, could generate infinitely greater mega-disasters than human beings could, the ways that human beings control other human beings by backing up lies with violence are far worse, as a regular feature, and amplifying that would become the primary real effect of any sort of somewhat survivable mega-disasters.
Anyone who reads enough science fiction has examined the scenarios that, AFTER X, Y or Z possible mega-disaster happens, the survivors return to being the constantly worse threat to each other. Human beings have chronic political problems, which they have never been able to resolve any better, since that would take better death controls, while the practical application of death controls has most successfully worked in each short-term increment through the maximum possible deceits, backed by destruction. Therefore, our society is controlled by enforced frauds, which directed us to develop in ways where there tended to be monopolies, upon which almost everyone was required to become excessively dependent.
Any sort of mega-disaster that places more pressure upon human beings will primarily result in them becoming even more insane, and even more of threat to themselves and each other than ever before. IF there are survivors to some waves of mega-disasters, then that might eventually become selection for more diversity, as what natural selection again and again found was the best strategy for longer-term survival. However, at the present time, human beings, through civilizations dominated by enforced frauds, have developed their ways of life to be the most dependent and vulnerable that they could possibly be, because the pyramidion people at the top of the social pyramids wanted that to be the way that things were organized, and their systems of enforced frauds drove things to develop in that fashion.
Roughly speaking about 1% have tried to prepared, but they have not succeeded, because 99% are not prepared. Any mega-disasters are certainly going to exacerbate the imbalanced situation, to make it become even more unbalanced. The differences between different groups of people will be greater than ever before, leaving open a field day for the basic runaway systems of deceits backed by destruction to run amok more than they ever have before!
THE GAPS BETWEEN STILL FUNCTIONING WEAPONS, VERSUS OTHER SYSTEMS NO LONGER WORKING, WOULD GROW BIGGER!
The Malaysian plane a couple of hundred miles outside of Israel. Israel may be the only military though that has planned for an EMP though
In the event of a very large solar flare, the 400 plus nuclear plants would be impossible to cool.Doubtful nuclear would work either.
When Betelguese go boom.
http://www.rense.com/general86/boom.htm
http://rense.com/general86/beet.htm
Climbing aboard the escape ship Exodus!
Armageddon sure ain't pretty! I've been to Detroit!
I lived down river from Detroit for six years. Motown baby, just stand up and tell them you are from Detroit.
Who downs that?
You'd think you just deleted the plans for the new golden calf or something.
Sheesh.
It is funny the guy who wrote that Kark Swartz is the one who ran for president as an independent. He has since moved to the Czech Republic.
You make a good case that successful spacefaring people are the worst scum, so bad that they fuck their home planet, but that's not enough fucking for them. Essentially they KILL their way to the "top", but, that top is no longer worth having. Having no consciousness, their problems are never perceived as self caused, and being the most refined, distilled, scum they travel the universe wholly embracing the exact opposite of the Prime Directive.
Sounds like the premise of a show that would do well in the US.
The land of make believe. Sorry, not buying the FUD today. I have sold all the Fear I have, I am happily out of Uncertainty and have no Doubt that the criminal syndicate selling FUD is on its last legs.
They don't need an EMP to kill the markets, reset the dollar, or any other escape-clause nonsense. The exact same thing can be accomplished with a faux internet "pearl harbor," and they can shut down that pesky truth-leaking internet at the same time.
If an EMP weapon was detonated, the who world won't go dark. Just a very small part of it. Besides, who will miss NYC?
I suspect the fighting over Gaza will continue!
Fly-by-wire civilian aircraft when EMP has happened? Well, I'm not an expert but let’s just say I’d be concerned.
Fly-by-wire civilian aircraft when EMP has happened? Well, I'm not an expert but let’s just say I’d be concerned.
It will make Googles proposed drive by wire doubleplusbumpercarsgood, too!
Most modern cars would go pfftht. Was driving my diesel F250 down the highway one night when the cam position sensor failed, which instantly kills the engine along with the hydroboost system for power steering and brakes... I can definitely imagine a couple hundred thousand drivers saying/thinking "oh shit!" simultaneously...
Figures! I am just about to pay off my cell phone from my 5Y Verizon plan!!!!!
You should prep you house by casing it with Faraday EMP Bags. Run Forest RUN..
/sarc
The odds of getting hit by a CME are greater than a EMP strike.
Way more likely to get hit by a GMC!
Hahahahaha.
If you would like a detailed run down of an EMP event, try the novel "One Second After" by Wm. R. Forstchen
Eye opener. Very Sad. Makes you think how un-prepared we are.
EMP
Electronic Money Printing
I wish it would come already. I am so tired of fucking work.
After solving the EMP kerfuffle, Congress plans on tackling the Sun's Red Giant problem, hopefully before the Thanksgiving recess.
007 would not let me give you an up arrow here, be it known I tried.
WHY don't the arrows work
on just this one comment ??
Site software sux sometimes. Glitches, bugs, CME ?
if you're refering to me, I think TPTB want me to go back to The Guardian.
jest sayin'
In your dreams, up arrow!
Fuck Elliott's Paul Singer. Complete unmitigated arrogant douchebag.
He hit Argentina with a pretty good IOU!
That he did. And, he could probably derive as much utility wiping his ass with it....
Trying to imagine just one week without power in the sweltering summer heat -- pretty devastating.
Is it moon-howling conspiracy theory to wonder:
What would happen if ISIS crosses over the 'secure' southern border and simultaneously bomb power stations throughout 'flyover country'...
I'm pretty sure Nancy Pelosi has been hit by an EMP pulse! She still has bug eyes and a stunned look on her face!!! Truly terrifying!!!!
Bela Pelosi got into a bad batch of Red Cross plasma.
A Congressional Committee?
Well that's all righty then, but I still don't think they have successfully grasped what to do to stop Guam tipping over.
Lets maybe not hold out too much hope for diligent action from them.
What can be done?.........move to Bora-Bora, and paint naked natives!
I read in the article, that EMP occurs app. once in 100 years.
But FED is throwing in the deadly QE every second quarter.
Means, that EMP can never ever make so much damage, like Jelen/FED.
And more damage is anyhow bullish.
Tyler, if you could work in a Yellowstone Volcano piece, I think it might flex my nutz enough for a full gospel doom porn climax! I'm....this.....close.
Just a thought. Ur the boss.
Indy I am loaded up for that one! :)
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/a-step-closer-to-a-black-sw...
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/yellowstone-recording-helium-4-known-to-appear-before-large-eruptions/
http://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/kentucky-plant-hit-by-tornado-produced-depleted-uranium-the-caldicott-report-from/
http://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/information-on-growing-sinkhole-problem-swallowing-southern-missouri-along-the-new-madrid-could-be-cause-of-fema-concern/
That blog has to be some of the most sensationalistic bullshit on the web.
Oh no. Globull warming
Congrats!
Indypat - that was pure priceless!
Seems I'm not the only doom porn addict! If you're OK with the strange and pretty outlandish, maybe a brief visit to Before its News will be just the ticket!
Excuse me while I wash my waterproof keyboard cover (an important precaution when visiting ZH of late!!
One Second After
A very well researched book on the effect of nuclear EMP's on the US.
Covers many of the points made in this discussion.
Worth reading.
Quite scary.
Pray.
Just read it over the weekend.
Scary shit
That' guy was late to the EMP doom party. The book "Lights Out" coverered it many years before.
EMP? Think of the poor guys who work at the SEC that will have no access to internet porn. Poor bastards!
G. Edward Griffin is co-producing a documentary, to be titled "Black Start", about this very topic.
Their intent originally was to bring this problem to light to the public, industry, and government. In reserarch for the project, they learned that industry leaders and government leaders have been aware of the problem for two decades, and that some of them have even taken steps to ensure that they survive such an event, but they've done nothing for the public.
They need an additional $67,000 to complete production.
http://www.realityzone.com/blackstart.html#angels
Not many people know this but Niobium (Nb) a space age metal, if used in electronics EMP will not disrupt if Niobium is used.
Brazil has the largest Niobium mine.
Tantalum (Ta) much like Niobium have similar charachteristics.
Metals of the future.
I thought that was Kirks middle name.
My brother-in-law, Budgie Twitters, says that an even rarer metal, Obamabium, is currently being bought up by Goldman Sucks, to create a corner on the market.
Obamabium is used in large quantititties by labor unions, Jewish Wall Street banksters, and Auto companies, like GM. It's rumored to be the main dual carburetor material used in a resurrection of the Pinto, Gremlin, and Corvair, soon to hit the lower middle class markets, while currently being the main ingredient for insurance companies like AIG, health insurance companies, and solar cell manufacturers.
Israel has the largest deposits of Obamabium.
If Rupert Murdoch ends up locked in a crapper somewhere for four months, I'll learn to live with it.
According to my scientific calculations it's more than likely gonna happen on SUNday!
I was thinking saturday but I could be a little off! :)
I thought Fried Day.
Ok so what? The system goes down for a couple months and we start building all the electronics again. Talk about a stimulus program and I wouldn't mind a little holiday from the rat race... Threat to humanity? More like inconvenience...
Well power distribution would be down for years. Maybe even longer...
For those that do survive, they need to implement local, self sufficient power generation rather than re-investing in a giant grid. At least for individuals and families. Probably much harder for business...
With the added benefit of those cities blessed with diversity eating each other within 4 days.
Naw, four days is nuts. It will go down just like the aftermath of a hurricane - all gulf and many east coast states know about hurricanes - three days without power and there are block parties to eat the contents of the freezers and then the wait for power begins.
The biggest loss is communication. Automobile radios usually will let one know when to expect FEMA relief.
Oh, wait. Never mind. But 12 to 14 days before total chaos involving many deaths is more like it.
Strongly suggest to read the book 1 second after - a few FRN's for the electric version from Amazon - might get a paper copy for backup. Enjoy.
I think it depends on multiple factors.
Let's assume the effects of a natural or man made EMP would be as devastating as stated. In the US, 81% live in urban areas. Not all of this figure is considered metropolitan and includes micropolitan. Food would be gone in a matter of hours in these areas and would have to depend on Government resources to survive. These resources would quickly dry up as well and may not even be rendered considering the likely dangerous conditions, especially in inner cities. So the absolute worst place to be in a situation like this would be cities. You would need to flee immediately. Violence would be off the charts. Governments would effectively collapse.
Rural areas would be inconvenienced as you say...at first until refugee's begin to arrive from inner cities. They could quickly overwhelm small communities when they realize everyone else had the same idea...head for the country. Some might think they could "live off the land", hunt etc. until they realize a lot of people had the same idea. Depending on the region, animal populations would dwindle quickly as the shock to the Eco system would be too much. It would take years to stabilize and cost a lot of lives. So I think it's safe to say it would be more than an inconvenience.
I think it would depend on the extent of damage caused by the EMP. And I think the risk may be overstated but I don't know.
Just bring this stuff on already - preferably at Goldman Sachs headquarters!
Not asking anyone to put any creedence into the Sumerian tablets or the Enuma Elish but I do. Some of this reminds me of a few of the passages contained which caught my eye while reading them. It seems the Nephilim began thinking the earthling was behaving like they were from New York City or something.
Enlim (Nephilim) was also said to be concerned they were outbreeding the Nefilim. He wanted them destroyed and was instituting plans to starve them even before the flood. Some had already been reduced to eating grass and cannibalism. One thing made clear was that in no circumstances through marriage did he want anyone to inherit kingship on Nibiru who contained the genes of the earthling!
…Soon the gods were back in council, for even Enki knew not the exact hiding place of the Ultimate Weapons. To his surprise, not all the other gods were as shocked as he was. Enki spoke strongly against the idea, urging steps to stop Nergal, for the use of the weapons, he pointed out, “the lands would make desolate, the people will make perish.” Nannar and Utu wavered as Enki spoke; but Enlil and Ninurta were for decisive action. And so, with the Council of the Gods in disarray, the decision was left to Anu.” “When Ninurta finally arrived to the Lower World with word of Anu’s decision, he found out that Nergal had already ordered the priming of “the seven awesome weapons” with their “poisons” – their nuclear warheads. Though the Erra Epic keeps referring to Ninurta by the epithet Ishum (“The Scorcher”)
Ninurta had made clear to Nergal/Erra that the weapons could be used only against specifically approved targets; that before they could be used, the Anunnaki gods at the selected sites and the Igigi gods manning the space platform and the shuttlecraft had to be forewarned; and, last but not least, mankind had to be spared, for “Anu, lord of the gods, on the land had pity.”
and then the radioactive whirlwind began to spread and move westward with the prevailing winds blowing from the Mediterranean…. Sumer itself became the ultimate nuclear victim.
“….The limestone mountains loom white on the horizon, but where the great central plain adjoins the immense scar in the Sinai, the hue of the plain – black – stands out in sharp contrast to the surrounding whiteness.”
Though the people were baffled, the gods knew the cause of the Evil Wind:
As Above So Below
This guy is extremely late to the EMP doom fest. Hell, former Congressman Roscoe Bartlett, Newt Gingrich and others have been yelling and testifying about this for years to no avail. The nuclear EMP threat itself has been known about for decades (Starfish Prime, anyone?) but no one really cares about EMPs since the probability of a naturally occuring "Carrington event" style CME aimed DIRECTLY at Earth is extremely small while the military is supposedly already hardened against any type of EMP. The 2012 event probably just reset the 100 year CME clock anyway. A few years ago we heard that the Norks had an EMP superweapon design and now, given their stated intention to nuke NYC, well, draw your own conclusions (yeah, really worried /sarc off). It makes one wnonder why all the excitement now? My take: it's all about pushing federal legislation and the requisite theft, er, funding since the pump has recently been primed with the just released 2014 FERC power station security guidelines. Further, it seems DHS really wants to get into the power protection business by federalizing it. But moreover, what power company really wants to place millions of dollars of spare parts on their balance sheets simply as non-performing depreciating assets?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/roscoe-bartlett-congressm...
NASA claims the probability of a Carrington sized flair within the next decade is about 12 percent. Considering that it would likely result in the death of billions, if they are correct, it is clearly the greatest threat facing civilization. The fact that it is not taken seriously is probably because fixing it is not financially profitable enough for the politicians to bother with it.
This makes my chocolate starfish tingle....
Solar Killshot, anyone?
"Being that the fiat system requires the 'broken window phallacy' to perpetuate it's furious penetration, such EMP device should be shaped from 9-11 inches in length, 6.66"in circumference, include electrified pleasure nodules, and must be used on the flock by its own girdle wearing lords and masters."
Hook Line and Slingshots - As heard muttering under his breath while exiting the F-Street Book Store
Dr. Doom received a standing ovation at the University of Texas when he advocated unleashing ebola on the planet to reduce population.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv00211...
Be afraid, very, very afraid...bwahahahaha
Does this mean Ann Margaret isn't coming?
Zips in the wire! ...
I have a bit of a spin on this topic: There are two questions that need to be answered before and what type of EMP is plausable.
1. Do you want to kill all the equipment and keep all the people alive or, 2. Do you want to kill all the people and keep all the equipment alive?
If you want to do #1, then a continental air burst is the choice du jour. If you want to do #2, then local EMPs over Washington and Atlanta to take out USAMRIID and the CDC. Then a nice puff of weaponized smallpox or some such to infect the population and then you come in when it has burned itself out.
I know it's heartless and disturbing, but that is the kind of thinking you learn at war college...
I know this is heartless and disturbing but the term 'du jour' is incorrect and should be written _de jour_ instead. Coming from CANADA this is the sort of thing we learn from the French Canadians
in Quebec. Tyler Durdan makes the same mistake, Z/H. The real way to write it is _de jour_ as in 'soup de jour' the soup of the day, Z/H.
NOTE: I'm not kidding, America, it's 'soup de jour', I would not fuck with you on something like that, Z/H.
lol, and I sit here on my fat ass corrected. Thankee,,, ;-D
I don't know how they use it in Québec but:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130618220426AA9SZOD
Interesting link, Jorgen. In CANADA we always use the term 'de jour' and never use 'du jour'. I get that 'du' is the masculine form but it is rarely used compared to 'de jour'. I stand corrected on the masculin/femine distinction and realize now that this is why I keep seeing it.
:)
http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen-ebook/dp/B002LA...
How does EMP affect solar cells?
Some say yes, some say no, it is that tinfoil thing again!
"if you wrap the equipment in tinfoil and plastic layers, it could form a capacitor, an electronic device that stores energy. I imagine that this would have a negative effect on the solar array. i would protect it with a thick layer of magnetically permeable metal, such as iron to absorb the magnetism, making its effects on the equipment lower."
So it could be as bad maybe as 2000 when all the systems in the world were supposed to crash.
By the way Tyller I reblogged this and got several thousand hits on it in a few days, I assume you did also.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/second-us-citizen-infected-ebola-liberia
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/us-bioweapons-lab-with-link...
I guess so would: comet, asteroid, massive global earthquake, mega volcanoes sprouting up... etc. And all of these will eventually happen, but you'd never know when exactly it would happen... and they'd have enough of a global effect that your electronics left over probably wouldn't matter for much.
Besides somevital things could already be shielded faraday cages, baked, etc.
When it goes dark we shoot the banksters first? "Earth Abides" on Amazon fer sure dude.
Never try to trump the sun.
Ruh Roh......a few on ZH never read Lights Out !
$1.4 Quadrillion with a 'Q' DARK POOL DERIVATIVES UNIVERSE
is the EMP, motherfucker. What is the probability of that blowing up
just as the CIA decides to have a false flag 'EMP' event over America
so they can genocide the inconvenient population due to starvation
and mass contagion?
I'd say the probability is pretty good IMHO.
"This is the end, my one and only friend, this is the end" The Doors
http://video.pbs.org/video/2226474716/
NOVA
Secrets of the Sun
The Report is a complete Joke!
Nukes in high atmosphere Will cause Extremelly limited Localized EMP. 20Kton (Hiroshima-like Bomb energy) would do NO Harm whatsoever to any eletronics. Nuke explosion spread energy in almost all the sprectrum, their energy is ridiculously small when compared with the smallest Solar coronal ejections reaching Earth high atmosphere. Many magnitude orders smaller.
It's ludicrous to think a Nuke can take down a city energy because of the EMP ... The EMP on a nuclear explosion is anyones Last concern ... In order for any Highly Localised Second grade EMP effects from the explosion to have some copnsequences on the grid that should be the Last problem of the city below the explosion Burned with Radiation ...
So, No nuclear explosions at high altitude are Not a Problem in what regards EMP effect ... that's the Last thing anyone should be worried about when nuke's go off ...
Depends upon the yield and tamper material; a large thermonuclear device with a tamper designed with a low work function metal will fully ionize and the expansion of this ionized mass generates the pulse as it plows through the magnetic field. It may be possible to produce advanced magnetohydrodynamic designs that generate their own asymmetric fields to focus the resultant wave and concentrate the converted energy on a localized area.
what he said...
Run some calculations on the energy in the magnetosphere and that in a nuke. Humans don't have enough power to do what you think we can.
The planet is too large, the van allen belt has too much energy.
Interesting and it maybe of relevance to remember that those pesky Russians did a LOT of MHD research during the "Cold War" period, some of which was public domain, a lot of which most certainly was not . . . .
So, joining the dots, we wonder who might have the necessary know how, and then there is the case of have "they" sold this know how to others?
I Made some calculations Before no matter what the material is the By far Greattest effect is the radiation, both high energy reaction Particles And actual Radiation.
No matter what material you use no matter what Yield you use the Nuclear Reaction is clear ... results of the reaction Will Mostly Not Ionize air around the explosion.
About the assymetric field to focus ...you gotta be kidding right ?
Also like the author comments if the explosion takes place at 15Km in the atmosphere you realize that the electromagnetic field decays with the square of distance ... that's one reason the Solar Flares have a Billion times the energy of all the Nuclear Weapons on Earth Combined ... yet ... effects on Earth (Low Solid angle + distance) are Minimal ...
EMP, PLANET X, ALIEN INVASION, ILLEGAL INVASION, YELLOWSTONE ERUPTING, CLIMATE CHANGE... YOURE 70 AND YOUR MOM TELLS YOU YOU WERE ADOPTED.. OR THE HOMELESS NEIGHBORHOOD BUM COVERED IN VOMIT YOU CAN SMELL FROM 3 BLOCKS AWAY IS YOUR REAL FATHER or worse yet your bellybutton might come undone and yor ass falls off.... YEP ANYONE OF THEM COULD HAPPEN and it would be unpleasant or the end... so fucking what......
ZH topic/commentary reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64PWxzW5vZU
...and EMPs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLcIAJsaF3o
I actually did some reading about the whole EMP thing last night.
Aside from the Preppers, it appears that unless the pulse is enough to actually fry someone, most electronics would survive. Yes, there would be some sensitive electronics that would be burned out. Yes, those closest to the "cause" would be burned out. But in several tests modern cars and trucks stopped when hit by the emp and then were able to start back up minutes later.
It is my impression that when you take the hyperbole and drama out of the conversations, folks are selling Faraday cages, survival food, and ammo. The latter two you will need--the former is not really necessary unless you live next door to folks messing about with electro magnetic pulse generators.
We have more important things to worry about. It seems to me that all of the stops are being pulled this week to create some good doom choom.
So it is all be good...except for all the commercial jetliners in the air, maybe as many as 5,000 that drop out of the sky and crash before they can be restarted.
What's 5,000 fires and with maybe 500,000 to 1,000,000 passengers aboard? No biggie.
The fire trucks that are close to the origin of the EMP detonation unable to respond to the hundreds of fires.
Think the Ebola virus might be a tad more dangerous and immediate threat. Our forefathers founded a nation before the discovery of electricity and oil. The world won't end if the power goes out for a while.
"My God This could be worse than Y2K"
Foo tunny!!! ;-D
The books "One Second After" and "Dies the Fire" deal with what happens after the EMP. I've read & enjoyed both books. And yes I have a shielded generator. On another topic, looks like the government has just disclosed the reality of space aliens: http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/07/flash-dod-releases-eisenhower-briefing-...
Could be the biggest game changer in history, bitches.
You guys cannot read, neither can the OP.
disruptions.
NOT TEOTWAWKI. Even IC's and transistors will just hard reset. Months? Minutes, hours. It will be as though someone hit a huge circuit breaker.
Use your common sense. How many Faraday Cages have *you* seen around military hardware, jets, vehicles, buildings? In *any* nation. That''s how you protect against EMP - a metal box or wire mesh box.
Not many of those around, eh?
A sea-can should do the trick?
No, sorry, you just don't understand the problem.
It will be TEOWAWKI.
There is no such thing as a hard reset when all the junctions are melted from a current overload.
Doesn't take much at the IC level.
And yes, there are Faraday cages around military hardware, they are not stupid.
There has been a lot of research about EMP effects.
Just to give you one small scenario of many, think about ten million people in NYC in the dark.
How may will get drunk? How many of them will light candles? How many will be careless and end up starting a fire?
Every fire truck will be dead. The roads will also be blocked by dead vehicles.
IOW, there will be uncontrolled fires and the accompanying smoke. There will be no lights and no working elevators.
One more thing: no one's toilets will be working for long. In steps disease to go along with roving bands of gangs. No running water either.
In 1859 food came from the garden or the farmer down the street. Water came from a well. Sewage went into a hole in the ground with a mobile 'outhouse' over the top of it - a primitive sceptic system.
Today food comes from the grocery store, who has it trucked in from hundreds or thousands of miles away. Water comes from municipal water services, and depends on electric pumps for delivery. Sewage is municipal, and depends on electric pumps for delivery.
When the power goes out, if you have no food storage you will starve. If you have no well then you will rapidly die of thirst, or begin drinking unclean water and get sick (since people stopped drinking from streams they lost resistance to the things that live in streams). If you have no sceptic system, then within a few days the sewer will back up into the house.
Get it?
I do not believe the problem is inadequate government measures to protect against CMEs and EMPs.
I believe the problem is over-centralization and inadequate self-reliance. Smaller locally run utilities would provide greater survivability and decrease fragility. The ultimate in 'small' utilities would of course be a well, sceptic, and set of solar panels.
The problem is not reforming the Grid. The problem IS the grid.
It will begin with bullets. Dont kid yourself.
The weak and stupid nature of most people I encounter(online and otherwise) makes me hope for a massive reset. I am ready.
Read "One Second After" by William R. Forstchen for a fictional account of a real problem. Much more frightening than the average Stephen King novel because it's possible. The story is told well and it doesn't sugar-coat anything. Scary.
Yes,
I loved the book. But it was not terribly realistic.
No one had a camper with a propane-fired fridge to cool the insulin?
The local coop had no seed?
No one had a generator?
No one had solar panels?
No one could put a carburator on a formerly fuel-injected engine?
RIDICULOUS!
Just because the author is an urban person with a social sciences degree, who knows little of how things work in the physical world, does not mean that no one else knows.
Finally! Somebody else who thinks that book sucks. I found it unreadable. The author's main emphasis was that tough ex marines will be your only resource, we'll have to block and kill people, and pustulent sores, bah!
Does the world have any understanding about the tens of thousands angry soldiers at home? MANY senior officers? Many just fucking ready?
This is childish Jabber.
Bring it.
How your bank balance can go to zero in a second, shares, investments....0
So coin, cash, horses even, chickens, dry food, bicycles, old motor car pre computer chip......
Of course you have to make sure anything inside a Faraday cage isn't connected to something outside.
The transistors for the power lines are all now made in India. They will get them here just in time to avoid meltdowns. If there is a slight mishap, the Japanese ice wall will turn the trick.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/02/south-central-us-poisoned-by-new...
http://enenews.com/tornado-hits-nuclear-facility-damage-uranium-enrichme...
http://agreenroad.blogspot.fr/2012/04/paducah-kentucky-nuclear-enrichmen...!
An important, impromptu interview recorded 11-18-13 with Jules and Mr. Kevin Blanch discussing the tornado that hit the Paducah uranium enrichment facility in KY this past Sunday, as well as Fukushima, the current situation and the fuel rod extraction…
Visit Kevin on YouTube @ http://YouTube.com/KevinDBlanch
Enenews Updates: Tornado hits U.S. Paducah nuclear facility in KY — Uranium enrichment building damaged — Parts of cooling towers destroyed — Alert declared for ‘emergency condition’
“One of the plant’s four enrichment production buildings, the adjacent cooling towers and nearby electrical switchyard sustained most of the damage. Several of the transite panels that cover the building were torn off or broken. Electrical power poles, wiring and other electrical circuits were also damaged. The shrouds or collars that surround the fans on this set of cooling towers were destroyed.”
http://enenews.com/tornado-hits-nucle…
Just what is Paducah? http://ecowatch.com/2013/05/22/countd…
“Nearly all news outlets covering the Paducah tornado claim the plant stopped enriching uranium earlier this year. However, according to the report below, “On 14 November 2013 Russia has shipped the last batch of low-enriched uranium [...] The cargo will be delivered to Baltimore and then to USEC’s Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant in Kentucky, where the uranium will be used to manufacture fuel for U.S. nuclear power plants.””
http://fissilematerials.org/blog/2013…
All material(s) used in this video that are not original or are under copyright are used under Fair Use under the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 107.
Tornado hits U.S. nuclear facility – Uranium enrichment building damaged — Parts of cooling towers destroyed — Alert declared for ‘emergency condition’ (PHOTOS)
Read more at:
http://atruthsoldier.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/nuclear-apocalypse-peducah-kentucky-uranium-plant-hit-by-tornado/
Here is evidence that USEC has indeed ceased uranium enrichment at the PGD plant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBob01EiYRw
Good night and good luck! I never met this guy but I know I would like him
http://schockweiler.blogspot.com/
Everything will be just fine, nothing to worry about.
disconnect the GRID
LOCAL POWER
You let this guy divert from what he is competent perhaps only to talk about the "markets".
Not that there is no danger in EMP. We can also all be nuked and any taker to spin this.
The diversion is because most hedgies have no "Alphas" to chase and paronoid over liquidity to be still standing when the withdrawals come. They are furiously lobbying for gates to their funds. They dare not f**ked with the printing presses.
Congress's fucking brains have already been EMP'd.
One potential silver lining...the Electoral College would dramatically change. Left and West Coasts gone...game changer.
Tough to get any word on whether this dam has been fixed above the Hanford nuclear plant. It seems to have a 60 foot crack in it.
http://enenews.com/emergency-response-plan-activated-after-massive-crack...
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/hanford-lethal-and-leaking-race-t...
The greatest disaster you never heard of.
The above video is a good mixture of humor and reality about Hanford. It describes how there is a huge dam above Hanford with a huge crack in it. The crack threatens the integrity of the whole dam. The dam can no longer be filled with water. If the dam goes, it will destroy Hanford buildings, and spread lethal amounts of toxic radiation downstream. Tanks buried underground may pop up to the surface, break open and spread their death dealing radiation downstream and into the ocean.
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/hanford-lethal-and-leaking-race-t...
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.sk/2014/02/the-2014-mini-carrington-eve...
From the Article linked below. WHAT A JOKE. We just had the most Earth direct CME in years, hit yesterday, with Tesla readings quite high. Fortunately, somehow the CME fizzled when it came to creating electric currents on earth based equipment. Believe me! That is good thing. Only a few dozen pole transformers burst into flames in Australia.
How hard would it be for 5-6 US Al-Queida supporters to go catch Ebola and travel back to NYC and start practicing their 72 virgin promise on a bunch of prostitutes and spread the wealth?
People prep for an Ebola outbreak in the USA.
With viruses there are two periods of time in which the carrier shows no symptoms but can still spread the disease, prior to showing symptoms (incubation period) and after recovering from symptoms.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
"Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness....
The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms, is 2 to 21 days."
So there are as many as ten weeks a person without symptoms can carry Ebola and still spread the disease. There are many ways illegals gain entry into this country and all without any kind of medical screening. Seven to ten weeks is plenty of time for that disease to get here undetected and perhaps already has.
If we had honest people in charge of our government they would shut down the borders till they could gain control of all immigration and administer medical screenings of everyone entering the country. EDV has a 50% survival rate so far, but in some places it is as low as 10%. That is justification to shut down all ports of entry, but this wont happen.
I love nature.
You mean PAUL SINGER THE Israel firster and Zionist.... Here is a little info on Mr. Singer...
When we noticed the name Robert Raben associated with hedge fund tycoon Paul Singer's efforts to shake down Argentina because Singer's Elliott Management made a risky investment on Argentine debt bonds, we thought we had seen it before.
Singer, an ultra-Zionist who supports right-wing politicians as long as they are totally pro-Israel, has set up a group called the American Task Force Argentina (ATFA) and appointed Raben to be its executive director. ATFA scored a recent victory when it convinced a corrupt Richard Nixon-appointed U.S. judge in New York named Thomas Griesa to order an economically-struggling Argentina to pay Singer billions of dollars in principal, interest, and fees on Argentine bonds. Singer is a true shyster and vampire and who has previously squeezed payments on risky bonds from Peru and the Republic of Congo.
But it is the name Raben that rang bells with WMR. Raben, a chief of staff to former Representative Barney Frank was involved in the character assassination of New York Democratic Representative Eric Massa.
Massa, who once called then-White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel "the son of the devil's spawn," was forced to resign after a series of vicious rumors were started that Massa had sexually accosted male members of his staff. It turned out the allegations were unfounded after a House Ethics Committee investigation. What is known is that Raben and Massa's gay chief-of-staff, Joe Racalto, conspired to sink Massa politically.
On November 4, 2011, WMR reported: "Upon winning his seat in 2008, Massa was forced by the House Democratic leadership to accept as his chief-of-staff a gay Frank staffer, Joe Racalto, a one-time intern and driver for Frank who was brought into Frank's office by Robert Raben, a former Frank counsel and now the head of the Raben Group, which counts some of Wall Street's top firms as clients, firms over which Frank has oversight authority."
Paul Singer, a thoroughly revolting excuse for a human being, but someone with enough cash to buy off federal judges.
Massa's problems increased after repeated confrontations with Emanuel and a visit he made to a Navy memorial in his home district in New York. As WMR reported: "Massa met with John Hrankowski, a survivor of the unprovoked and willful 1967 Israeli attack on the National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence collection ship, the USS Liberty and the chief promoter of the USS Liberty Memorial in Rochester, a landmark that was vigorously opposed by Jewish groups and the Israeli Lobby. Hrankowski died in March [2011] but the memorial in honor of the 34 US Navy and NSA personnel killed by Israeli aircraft strafing and torpedo boats, as well as the rest of the crew, lives on, despite the concerted efforts by many American Jews and the Israel Lobby to obliterate the memory of the ship from history."
Massa's visit to the memorial was leaked and that and Emanuel's and Frank and his pals' antipathy was all that was necessary to seal the congressman's political fate.
The involvement of top Democrats in the shake down of Argentina is yet another indication that Wall Street vultures like Singer are in total control of the political duopoly that controls American politics.