American Intelligence Officers Who Battled the Soviet Union for Decades Slam the Flimsy "Intelligence" Against Russia

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Preface: With the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine turning a local civil war into a U.S. confrontation with Russia, former high-level U.S. intelligence veterans released a statement today urging President Obama to release what evidence he has about the tragedy and silence the exaggeration and rush to judgment. (The whole post is a must-read; but we at Washington's Blog have added bolding for emphasis.)

Signatory Bill Binney – the former senior technical director at the NSA, and a man who battled the Soviet Union for decades – tells Washington’s Blog:

In my analytic efforts to predict intentions and capabilities down through the years,  I always made sure that I had multi-factors verifying what I was asserting.  So far,  I don’t see that discipline here in this administration or the IC  [i.e. the United States intelligence community].

Posted with permission of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.


FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Intelligence on Shoot-Down of Malaysian Plane

Executive Summary

U.S.–Russian intensions are building in a precarious way over Ukraine, and we are far from certain that your advisers fully appreciate the danger of escalation. The New York Times and other media outlets are treating sensitive issues in dispute as flat-fact, taking their cue from U.S. government sources.

Twelve days after the shoot-down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, your administration still has issued no coordinated intelligence assessment summarizing what evidence exists to determine who was responsible – much less to convincingly support repeated claims that the plane was downed by a Russian-supplied missile in the hands of Ukrainian separatists.

Your administration has not provided any satellite imagery showing that the separatists had such weaponry, and there are several other “dogs that have not barked.” Washington’s credibility, and your own, will continue to erode, should you be unwilling – or unable – to present more tangible evidence behind administration claims. In what follows, we put this in the perspective of former intelligence professionals with a cumulative total of 260 years in various parts of U.S. intelligence:

We, the undersigned former intelligence officers want to share with you our concern about the evidence adduced so far to blame Russia for the July 17 downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17. We are retired from government service and none of us is on the payroll of CNN, Fox News, or any other outlet. We intend this memorandum to provide a fresh, different perspective.

As veteran intelligence analysts accustomed to waiting, except in emergency circumstances, for conclusive information before rushing to judgment, we believe that the charges against Russia should be rooted in solid, far more convincing evidence. And that goes in spades with respect to inflammatory incidents like the shoot-down of an airliner. We are also troubled by the amateurish manner in which fuzzy and flimsy evidence has been served up – some it via “social media.”

As intelligence professionals we are embarrassed by the unprofessional use of partial intelligence information. As Americans, we find ourselves hoping that, if you indeed have more conclusive evidence, you will find a way to make it public without further delay. In charging Russia with being directly or indirectly responsible, Secretary of State John Kerry has been particularly definitive. Not so the evidence. His statements seem premature and bear earmarks of an attempt to “poison the jury pool.”

Painting Russia Black

We see an eerie resemblance to an earlier exercise in U.S. “public diplomacy” from which valuable lessons can be learned by those more interested in the truth than in exploiting tragic incidents for propaganda advantage. We refer to the behavior of the Reagan administration in the immediate aftermath of the shoot-down of Korean Airlines Flight 007 over Siberia on August 30, 1983. We sketch out below a short summary of that tragic affair, since we suspect you have not been adequately briefed on it. The parallels will be obvious to you.

An advantage of our long tenure as intelligence officers is that we remember what we have witnessed first hand; seldom do we forget key events in which we played an analyst or other role. To put it another way, most of us “know exactly where we were” when a Soviet fighter aircraft shot down Korean Airlines passenger flight 007 over Siberia on August 30, 1983, over 30 years ago. At the time, we were intelligence officers on “active duty.” You were 21; many of those around you today were still younger.

Thus, it seems possible that you may be learning how the KAL007 affair went down, so to speak, for the first time; that you may now become more aware of the serious implications for U.S.-Russian relations regarding how the downing of Flight 17 goes down; and that you will come to see merit in preventing ties with Moscow from falling into a state of complete disrepair. In our view, the strategic danger here dwarfs all other considerations.

Hours after the tragic shoot-down on Aug. 30, 1983, the Reagan administration used its very accomplished propaganda machine to twist the available intelligence on Soviet culpability for the killing of all 269 people aboard KAL007. The airliner was shot down after it strayed hundreds of miles off course and penetrated Russia’s airspace over sensitive military facilities in Kamchatka and Sakhalin Island. The Soviet pilot tried to signal the plane to land, but the KAL pilots did not respond to the repeated warnings. Amid confusion about the plane’s identity – a U.S. spy plane had been in the vicinity hours earlier – Soviet ground control ordered the pilot to fire.

The Soviets soon realized they had made a horrendous mistake. U.S. intelligence also knew from sensitive intercepts that the tragedy had resulted from a blunder, not from a willful act of murder (much as on July 3, 1988, the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf, killing 290 people, an act which President Ronald Reagan dismissively explained as an “understandable accident”).

To make the very blackest case against Moscow for shooting down the KAL airliner, the Reagan administration suppressed exculpatory evidence from U.S. electronic intercepts. Washington’s mantra became “Moscow’s deliberate downing of a civilian passenger plane.” Newsweek ran a cover emblazoned with the headline “Murder in the Sky.” (Apparently, not much has changed; Time’s cover this week features “Cold War II” and “Putin’s dangerous game.” The cover story by Simon Shuster, “In Russia, Crime Without Punishment,” would merit an A-plus in William Randolph Hearst’s course “Yellow Journalism 101.”)

When KAL007 was shot down, Alvin A. Snyder, director of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division, was enlisted in a concerted effort to “heap as much abuse on the Soviet Union as possible,” as Snyder writes in his 1995 book, “Warriors of Disinformation.”

He and his colleagues also earned an A-plus for bringing the “mainstream media” along. For example, ABC’s Ted Koppel noted with patriotic pride, “This has been one of those occasions when there is very little difference between what is churned out by the U.S. government propaganda organs and by the commercial broadcasting networks.”

“Fixing” the Intelligence Around the Policy

“The perception we wanted to convey was that the Soviet Union had cold-bloodedly carried out a barbaric act,” wrote Snyder, adding that the Reagan administration went so far as to present a doctored transcript of the intercepts to the United Nations Security Council on September 6, 1983.

Only a decade later, when Snyder saw the complete transcripts — including the portions that the Reagan administration had hidden — would he fully realize how many of the central elements of the U.S. presentation were false.

The intercepts showed that the Soviet fighter pilot believed he was pursuing a U.S. spy aircraft and that he was having trouble in the dark identifying the plane. Per instructions from ground control, the pilot had circled the KAL airliner and tilted his wings to order the aircraft to land. The pilot said he fired warning shots, as well. This information “was not on the tape we were provided,” Snyder wrote.

It became abundantly clear to Snyder that, in smearing the Soviets, the Reagan administration had presented false accusations to the United Nations, as well as to the people of the United States and the world. In his book, Snyder acknowledged his own role in the deception, but drew a cynical conclusion. He wrote, “The moral of the story is that all governments, including our own, lie when it suits their purposes. The key is to lie first.”

The tortured attempts by your administration and stenographers in the media to blame Russia for the downing of Flight 17, together with John Kerry’s unenviable record for credibility, lead us to the reluctant conclusion that the syndrome Snyder describes may also be at work in your own administration; that is, that an ethos of “getting your own lie out first” has replaced “ye shall know the truth.” At a minimum, we believe Secretary Kerry displayed unseemly haste in his determination to be first out of the starting gate.

Both Sides Cannot Be Telling the Truth

We have always taken pride in not shooting from the hip, but rather in doing intelligence analysis that is evidence-based. The evidence released to date does not bear close scrutiny; it does not permit a judgment as to which side is lying about the shoot-down of Flight 17. Our entire professional experience would incline us to suspect the Russians – almost instinctively. Our more recent experience, particularly observing Secretary Kerry injudiciousness in latching onto one spurious report after another as “evidence,” has gone a long way toward balancing our earlier predispositions.

It seems that whenever Kerry does cite supposed “evidence” that can be checked – like the forged anti-Semitic fliers distributed in eastern Ukraine or the photos of alleged Russian special forces soldiers who allegedly slipped into Ukraine – the “proof” goes “poof” as Kerry once said in a different context. Still, these misrepresentations seem small peccadillos compared with bigger whoppers like the claim Kerry made on Aug. 30, 2013, no fewer than 35 times, that “we know” the government of Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical incidents near Damascus nine days before.

On September 3, 2013 – following your decision to call off the attack on Syria in order to await Congressional authorization – Kerry was still pushing for an attack in testimony before a thoroughly sympathetic Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. On the following day Kerry drew highly unusual personal criticism from President Putin, who said: “He is lying, and he knows he is lying. It is sad.”

Equally serious, during the first week of September 2013, as you and President Vladimir Putin were putting the final touches to the deal whereby Syrian chemical weapons would be given up for destruction, John Kerry said something that puzzles us to this day. On September 9, 2013, Kerry was in London, still promoting a U.S. attack on Syria for having crossed the “Red Line” you had set against Syria’s using chemical weapons.

At a formal press conference, Kerry abruptly dismissed the possibility that Bashar al-Assad would ever give up his chemical weapons, saying, “He isn’t about to do that; it can’t be done.” Just a few hours later, the Russians and Syrians announced Syria’s agreement to do precisely what Kerry had ruled out as impossible. You sent him back to Geneva to sign the agreement, and it was formally concluded on September 14.

Regarding the Malaysia Airlines shoot-down of July 17, we believe Kerry has typically rushed to judgment and that his incredible record for credibility poses a huge disadvantage in the diplomatic and propaganda maneuvering vis-a-vis Russia. We suggest you call a halt to this misbegotten “public diplomacy” offensive. If, however, you decide to press on anyway, we suggest you try to find a less tarnished statesman or woman.

A Choice Between Two

If the intelligence on the shoot-down is as weak as it appears judging from the fuzzy scraps that have been released, we strongly suggest you call off the propaganda war and await the findings of those charged with investigating the shoot-down. If, on the other hand, your administration has more concrete, probative intelligence, we strongly suggest that you consider approving it for release, even if there may be some risk of damage to “sources and methods.” Too often this consideration is used to prevent information from entering the public domain where, as in this case, it belongs.

There have been critical junctures in the past in which presidents have recognized the need to waive secrecy in order to show what one might call “a decent respect for the opinions of mankind” or even to justify military action.

As senior CIA veteran Milton Bearden has put it, there are occasions when more damage is done to U.S. national security by “protecting” sources and methods than by revealing them. For instance, Bearden noted that Ronald Reagan exposed a sensitive intelligence source in showing a skeptical world the reason for the U.S. attack on Libya in retaliation for the April 5, 1986 bombing at the La Belle Disco in West Berlin. That bombing killed two U.S. servicemen and a Turkish woman, and injured over 200 people, including 79 U.S. servicemen.

Intercepted messages between Tripoli and agents in Europe made it clear that Libya was behind the attack. Here’s an excerpt: “At 1:30 in the morning one of the acts was carried out with success, without leaving a trace behind.”

Ten days after the bombing the U.S. retaliated, sending over 60 Air Force fighters to strike the Libyan capital of Tripoli and the city of Benghazi. The operation was widely seen as an attempt to kill Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who survived, but his adopted 15-month-old daughter was killed in the bombing, along with at least 15 other civilians.

Three decades ago, there was more shame attached to the killing of children. As world abhorrence grew after the U.S. bombing strikes, the Reagan administration produced the intercepted, decoded message sent by the Libyan Peoples Bureau in East Berlin acknowledging the “success” of the attack on the disco, and adding the ironically inaccurate boast “without leaving a trace behind.”

The Reagan administration made the decision to give up a highly sensitive intelligence source, its ability to intercept and decipher Libyan communications. But once the rest of the world absorbed this evidence, international grumbling subsided and many considered the retaliation against Tripoli justified.

If You’ve Got the Goods…

If the U.S. has more convincing evidence than what has so far been adduced concerning responsibility for shooting down Flight 17, we believe it would be best to find a way to make that intelligence public – even at the risk of compromising “sources and methods.” Moreover, we suggest you instruct your subordinates not to cheapen U.S. credibility by releasing key information via social media like Twitter and Facebook.

The reputation of the messenger for credibility is also key in this area of “public diplomacy.” As is by now clear to you, in our view Secretary Kerry is more liability than asset in this regard. Similarly, with regard to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, his March 12, 2013 Congressional testimony under oath to what he later admitted were “clearly erroneous” things regarding NSA collection should disqualify him. Clapper should be kept at far remove from the Flight 17 affair.

What is needed, if you’ve got the goods, is an Interagency Intelligence Assessment – the genre used in the past to lay out the intelligence. We are hearing indirectly from some of our former colleagues that what Secretary Kerry is peddling does not square with the real intelligence. Such was the case late last August, when Kerry created a unique vehicle he called a “Government (not Intelligence) Assessment” blaming, with no verifiable evidence, Bashar al-Assad for the chemical attacks near Damascus, as honest intelligence analysts refused to go along and, instead, held their noses.

We believe you need to seek out honest intelligence analysts now and hear them out. Then, you may be persuaded to take steps to curb the risk that relations with Russia might escalate from “Cold War II” into an armed confrontation. In all candor, we see little reason to believe that Secretary Kerry and your other advisers appreciate the enormity of that danger.

In our most recent (May 4) memorandum to you, Mr. President, we cautioned that if the U.S. wished “to stop a bloody civil war between east and west Ukraine and avert Russian military intervention in eastern Ukraine, you may be able to do so before the violence hurtles completely out of control.” On July 17, you joined the top leaders of Germany, France, and Russia in calling for a ceasefire. Most informed observers believe you have it in your power to get Ukrainian leaders to agree. The longer Kiev continues its offensive against separatists in eastern Ukraine, the more such U.S. statements appear hypocritical.

We reiterate our recommendations of May 4, that you remove the seeds of this confrontation by publicly disavowing any wish to incorporate Ukraine into NATO and that you make it clear that you are prepared to meet personally with Russian President Putin without delay to discuss ways to defuse the crisis and recognize the legitimate interests of the various parties. The suggestion of an early summit got extraordinary resonance in controlled and independent Russian media. Not so in “mainstream” media in the U.S. Nor did we hear back from you.

The courtesy of a reply is requested.

Prepared by VIPS Steering Group

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

Edward Loomis, NSA, Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

Peter Van Buren, U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (ret)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

H/t: Consortium News

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rusty_nail's picture

Per instructions from ground control, the pilot had circled the KAL airliner and tilted his wings to order the aircraft to land. 

EXACTLY what type of American Spy plane did this Russian fighter pilot confuse with a passenger jet while he was circling it?

The shooter's story is BS.

VWAndy's picture

Dont trust the spooks. Ever. These folks are pretty coy. Every interview I have seen gives me the feeling they are not giving it to us stright. Maybe they want to tell us the whole truth but cant. It does not matter why they dont give us the whole truth. The point is they dont.


pavel's picture

It's beginning to look as if it doesn't matter who is in the right about MH17, or even about whether or not Russia is supplying weapons and support to the rebels - probably they are.

What matters is getting us out of the spiral leading to war, and the disengagement has to be found soon. An incident unforeseen could flip us out of this present phase into something a lot more dire, and it could happen any time. Once such a phase transition happens it will likely be impossible to withdraw from it.

We are trifling with immense power, and if we are not careful we could lose control of it. How do we know how much time is left? Both sides need very badly to begin serious negotiations.

hibou-Owl's picture

Flight recorder boxes have been in the hands of investigators for quite a few days, can't be be that hard to listen to what was said.
The dog ate my homework, Sir!

nonclaim's picture

The book "Life Inside the Bubble" offers an interesting views from one ex-intelligence officer. No matter how good and well intentioned each person in public service may be, too many middle managers and competing agencies fucks up everything. The other opinion is that each major fuck up of this administration (the author offers three) happens because they thing "political gain/loss first" and deal with security consequences later. It makes sense to me. Ideology/utopia is the major fault, not necessarily treason is the driver though that also plays part.

infotechsailor's picture

"U.S.–Russian intensions" or tensions?


not a grammar nazi. its obvious Tyler uses dragon or some other voice to text tool for his articles.. but if this is supposed to be an official letter to Obummer.

imaginalis's picture

Gets past the keystroke logger.

JohninMK's picture

At least the US admitted via MSM that they had evidence that the Ukrainians had fired a salvo of Ballistic Missiles at the East Ukrainians.

HumanResourceProblem's picture

Wrong take on Koppel. He was criticizing the WH/MSM convergence, not applauding with "patriotic fervor." In a twisted way, it validates the credentials of the authors...genuine milspook paranoia!

BullyBearish's picture

"Once we get rid of the guns and religion..."

goldnguns's picture

A lot of deception in Bill's post.  The NSA deals in facts, and as rule does NOT make statements that are easily proven wrong. 


On one door at Ft Meade there is a very nice sign that states "tThe BEST way to lie is to tell HALF the truth".  Bill does a commendable job here.

ebworthen's picture

"U.S.–Russian intensions are building in a precarious way over Ukraine,"

I sure hope "intensions" didn't make it to the final draft.

It's way too wordy as well, needs editing.

But...nice to see some questioning...

...and a rebuttal to the Obama WH.

Duffy's picture

I talked to a good, old buddy of mine about the Crimea/Russia/Ukraine stuff and at the end of my reply to his assessment he basically accused me of issuing "Russian talking points."


Made me realize a couple things:  1] is. he's more arrogant and sure of himself these days as to topics outside his wheelhouse than he used to be and 2] if he can be brainwashed by sticking mainly to The Economist, CNN, and the NY Times...  smart, educated guy - there's really no hope for any great awakening. 


The Putin is the New Hitler meme, like the "wipe Israel off the map" meme or the "Israel is just defending itself from Hamas rockets" meme is reinforced so often, in so many places, over and over - that there's no way to compensate.  There's no diversity of narrative, really, in the MSM, and regardless of who/what you think controls it - the message tends to be more coherent across networks than seems reasonable unless there's explicit collusion or marching orders.


I didn't want to get into it, but I wanted to ask my buddy - I probably read 3-5 times as much about this topic, from a wider array of msm, alternative, and foreign news sources.  Which of us is more likely to be regurgitating "talking points" with little basis in reality?


It's not worth it.  Take a look at the comment section of a major paper like the Times.  80% of these people are regurgitating, without any reservation or equivocation, some shit Wolf Blitzer or Jen "tig ol' bitties" Psaki said. 


I suspect the spooks know what's up - and military intelligence, but I also suspect they are significantly compromised by agents of a foreign power desperate to get us into a couple more theatres before the dollar shits its pants.

NuYawkFrankie's picture

re ...sticking mainly to The Economist, CNN, and the NY Times... smart, educated guy -

He sounds like a prize dumb fcuk to me.

Freddie's picture

A lot of the stuff on the web site comments for MSM web sites are bots, govt stooges and morons.   The Economist was the best of the bunch you mentioned but it is all CFR, NWO spin and garbage too.

alexcojones's picture

The VIPsters could actually tell us something about this.

That event, of course, was the 911 attacks that opened the Pandora's box to ALL the felonies that followed. C'mon guys, tell us what you know. Mike Ruppert tried, but he be dead.


911 - Too Hot To Handle?
napper's picture

You don't actually need the so-called VIPsters. 9/11 was a false flag no matter how strongly the US government and its lapdogs would deny it, because the laws of physics trump them all. Those lame and pathetic cover-ups and propaganda can only fool the uninformed, the uneducated and the brainless.

alexcojones's picture

George, it would be Fun to talk to the VIPS. Get 'em drunk and get 'em to really fucking open up. Believe me, I've tried.

Veteran Intel Profs for Sanity has a nice ring to it.

But I would ask them if they were aware that George Herbert Walker was running (Ruining) the White House for the 8 years of Reagan. 1980-1988. And then from 88-92.

GH Bush is CIA. Always was and always will be.

VIPS is a good start. A bunch of old farts who now have a guilty conscience. But I would ask them what this quote means.

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." -- George HW Bush

DrunkenMonkey's picture

VIPS ? Comes across as a bit 'Swift boat Vets'-ish, no ?

ToNYC's picture

Dragnet's Sgt. Friday asked for 'just the facts, ma'am'.

therevolutionwas's picture

When push comes to shove it will be blatant econnomic war, cyber war, EMP attacks.

MaxThrust's picture

Great article George.

Omen IV's picture

huge! coupled with initial disenters -  Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Steve Cohen (Russia Studies NYU) David Stockman, Ralph Nadar - the independents are becoming a voice that very soon will be tough to avoid. There soon will be Democrats piling on.

Same thing happened in 1965-1967 until the  War and LBJ were completely discredited. Obama is starting from a lower credibility position than LBJ.

Cass Sunstein's gambit is running out

Freddie's picture

USS Liberty AIPAC LBJ.  A big supporter was Lester AIPAC Crown aka General Dynamics aka F-111 aka MIC.  The F-111 was the F-35 of it's time.  Insanely expensive and a fairly crappy plane looking for a war.  LBJ was in charge of handing out defense contracts and the F-111 was built in Fort Worth.  There was a big scandal about the huge contract.

Starting to wonder who killed JFK yet?

Who was Obama's earliest and biggest supporter? Lester Crown.   He also owns Sen. McCain and Flake in AZ.

Reaper's picture

"an ethos of 'getting your own lie out first' ”

The sheeple have been trained to emote. If you get them to emote first in your favor, they then reject all new information. Doubt is insufficient to penetrate this prior emote. Doubt has to be enhanced with fear. The emote from fear of the consequences can overwhelm the prior emote generated by the lie.

It's not enough to just cause doubt, because here the consequences are real and must be rightly feared. The government liars want others to die. Possibly, you or your loved ones may die too. Who will volunteer to die for Obama's glory and his hand-picked Ukrainian puppets survival?

therevolutionwas's picture

We won't see this article on Drudge, or talked about by Limbaugh, Hannity, or any of the neocon press.  It would really damage the Obummer administration, so why not shout out about it?......hmmmmmmmm.  Nah, it couldn't be.

Captain Willard's picture

This is a good, but irrelevant, article. There aren't many possibilities here. The plane crashed. It either:

1) Crashed on its own

2) Was shot down by the Ukraine gov't forces in a false-flag attack

3) Was shot down by the Russian-backed Ukraine "rebels" by accident ("on purpose" makes no sense, because they don't benefit from this tragedy)

4) shot down by a third party

I'm much more interested in the VIPS group speculating on these four possibilities than I am in their analysis of the ex post facto propaganda war or their "analysis of the analysis". While I respect George for posting this article, I guess I would encourage him to urge the VIPS group to apply their considerable analytical prowess to what we all want to know: Who did it and why?

JohninMK's picture

Sadly that won't happen. The risks are too great.

tumblemore's picture

Given that the US is blaming Hamas for the death of all those civilians in Gaza then shouldn't the US be calling for sanctions against them to go with the sanctions against Russia?



SoDamnMad's picture

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

So these are the guys that laid the groundwork for USSA being where it is today.

Let me buy you a beer and stick my thumb deep into your eye socket.

fleur de lis's picture

The deceit, duuplicity, and malevolent secrecy at the very, very top must have been so complete and well planned out that it fooled even those whose job it was to ferret out that very thing. It is highly unlikely that they actually knew the true origins of conflicts and the role played by the Fed in funding it all. They grew up with the same schoolbooks as the rest of us, and had essentially the same basic academic framework.

At some point something broke and they realized the whole thing was a fraud. They spotted the scammer behind the curtain who was using all kinds of machinery to create illusions. They must have realized how their skills were used to to further the plans of the NWO and those who really have no allegiance to America. At least they know now and are trying to stop the psychos. 

Omen IV's picture

when did the mission change?

I say it was on Clinton's watch since Bush I could have stayed in Iraq and took the oil reserves for his cronies like Cheney did - so I think ithe personel at CIA / NSA were legit up until 92'.

Summers group empowerment intervention with Yeltsin changed the game 92-3'

therevolutionwas's picture

Point taken.  But there are still a few "good guys" left in gov't.  Very, very, very few.

tumblemore's picture

The grand-parents of the neocons worked for global soviet domination, now they work for global US domination. The bad guys changed teams sometime in the 1980s but it's taken a while for people to notice.



TweedleDeeDooDah's picture

VIPS... the guys who said Israel would "imminently" attack Iran unilaterall in the next month.

Back in 2010...

Grains of salt from a dozen discontents.

Duffy's picture

yeah, but conceivably, they may have, along with others, acted to stop them...

and stopped them in Syria to an extent as well - the 'red line'...


tumblemore's picture

Interventions like that at the right moment can prevent.

SMC's picture

Cherry picked and “spun” factoids, lies, and innuendo weaved into a psychologically targeted narrative has been a key element of American politics and foreign policy for a very long time.

Those who go along with the charade have a career, those who help with the charade become SES (Senior Executive Service), those who control the charade create and use the leverage provided to direct and control legislation, justice, regulatory oversight, finance, domestic and foreign policy, etc…

Those who do not go along with the charade either resign or are eliminated.  The vast majority respect their oaths to secrecy and the US Constitution, a few become whistle blowers hounded for life.

One And Only's picture

One of the consequences of having an incompetent leader is that he appoints incompetent advisers who appoint incompetent subordinates and so forth. That's why we have an incredibly dysfunctional government that often times appears mentally challenged.

durablefaith's picture

Incompetence? The mountain of evidence you are ingoring in order to cling to that explanation suggest one of two things:


1) You are so emotionally committed to avoiding a conclusion that conflicts with your deeply seated worldview that you simply dismiss information and evidence that would lead you to a paradgym shifting conclusion


2) You are a troll taking a somewhat new and innovative approach to keep others from seeing the blindingly obvious truth.

Since there is no help for trolls and no use feeding them, I will only address possibility #1.

He came from nowhere to front runner in the blink of an eye, is a dual citizen not eligible for high office, provided a fradualent social security number, launched his political career in the home of a communist, ran on a platform of transparency and peace, continued all of bush's worst policies and is fast tracking the destruction of america's fiscal house through a cloward-pivens increase entitlements approach, absolutely devestated what was left of the US international reputation and is actively purging the US military of those who cling to traditional view of and loyalty to america. He has run the office from the golf course and brought disrepute and shame to US taxpayers of every party loyalty and worldview so as to prepare the US for a radical transformation, a fundamental transformation of america if you will.

He is the constitutional expert who knows how to de facto undermine what is left of the constitution. He is not incompetent. He is a demolition expert brought in to ruin america and create a power vacuum that will be filled by a new world order.

That is probably the conclusion you are trying so hard to avoid. But you can close your eyes, stick your head in the sand, refuse to actually consider the globalist stated views of the "obama moment" (google it if you dare) , it wont make it go away.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free

eishund's picture

Totally agree. This whole Ukraine business is so asinine. One wonders how Obamallahuakbar in his right mind could accuse his counterpart almost immediately after the event. He is either a First Class Moron or a Lackey of the NWO. Choose one. Hint: A First Class Moron can't possibly be the CinC.

NOZZLE's picture

Filthy coon was smoking pot, dropping acid, snorting coke and packing fudge in some Paki filth's cornhole at OcciU when he was 21, are you kidding yourselves that he is even reading this or paying attention to anything that anyone writes or says?  Just listen to the animal talk off the cuff sometime to realize what you are dealing with.  He hates america as it was composed because that is what his babysitter Frank Marshall DickFace taught him while he was making him smell his smell on his cock after he got done popping him in the can and his rotten cunt of a mother could not have cared less.  She was busy working on her phony PhD and spreading her twat for every africoon she could lay her hands on to show her contempt for Whitey.

He just made some comment that muslim filth built the fabric of the US and the media instead of being incredulous repeats it like it came from the koran.

"the hard drive was scratched" please, 

Accounting101's picture

It's safe to come out of the closet an express your sexuality Nozzle. Being a homosexual is not a crime and you will not be persecuted for it. The longer you stay dark, the angrier you will become.

NOZZLE's picture

AssClown101, you have an exercise video of me in Poland where it looks like I'm ovulating while lifting girlie weights?  Yeah, I didn't think so.  Nice attgempt at transference though.  

Wrong side of the bed, you have any good feelings lately while your citizenship and birthright are being diluted before your very eyes?

SoDamnMad's picture

Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning or ar you always this joyful?

ThisIsBob's picture

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

Obama must have cut class the day they taught that maxim in law school.

Duffy's picture

I don't actually think you actually think he actually went to law school.