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"Shocked" White House Slams "Fabrication" After Israel TV Leaks Damning Transcript Of Obama-Netanyahu Phone Call
While everyone's attention is glued on Russia and whether Obama can successfully launch World War III, things are going from bad to worse when it also comes to US relations with Israel. Recall that here things were already on the verge of disaster after for some reason, Kerry was unleashed to "arrange" a ceasefire with Israel, when in reality the SecState somehow managed to infuriate every single feuding faction (there are a lot of them), Israel included, after Haaretz wrote that "Kerry ruined everything."
So what happened next? Something rather stunning according to the US State Department, and which according to BBC reporter Paul Danahar, constitutes "a severe violation of a private discussions" - Israel’s Channel 1 decided to publish a Hebrew transcript of a portion of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama’s telephone conversation which took place on Sunday, in which Obama was insistent that Israel unilaterally halt all military activities in the Gaza Strip. As is quite clear by now, Israel rejected, and the bloodshed continued.
The transcript, as shown by the Times of Israel was as follows:
The following is an English translation of the Hebrew account of the talk given in the report:
Barack Obama: I demand that Israel agrees to an immediate, unilateral ceasefire and halt all offensive activities, in particular airstrikes.
Benjamin Netanyahu: And what will Israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire?
BO: I believe that Hamas will cease its rocket fire — silence will be met with silence.
BN: Hamas broke all five previous ceasefires. It’s a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
BO: I repeat and expect Israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The pictures of destruction in Gaza distance the world from Israel’s position.
BN: Kerry’s proposal was completely unrealistic and gives Hamas military and diplomatic advantages.
BO: Within a week of the end of Israel’s military activities, Qatar and Turkey will begin negotiations with Hamas based on the 2012 understandings, including Israel’s commitment to removing the siege and restrictions on Gaza.
BN: Qatar and Turkey are the biggest supporters of Hamas. It’s impossible to rely on them to be fair mediators.
BO: I trust Qatar and Turkey. Israel is not in the position that it can choose its mediators.
BN: I protest because Hamas can continue to launch rockets and use tunnels for terror attacks –
BO: (interrupting Netanyahu) The ball’s in Israel’s court, and it must end all its military activities.
One can quickly see why the US would quickly disavow any credibility of this report: after all it wouldn't look very good for the leader of the free world if the leader of another state, one which on top of it all is reliant on the former for continued military and economic support, flat out rejected what amounted to a demand from the US. As expected the denial was prompt with the US administration calling the quotations "fabrications", "shocking", and "disappointing"
It took mere minutes for the National Security Council to deny the transcript was even remotely accurate:
We have seen reports of an alleged POTUS-Netanyahu transcript; neither reports nor alleged transcript bear any resemblance to reality 1/2
— @NSCPress (@NSCPress) July 29, 2014
Shocking and disappointing someone would sink to misrepresenting a pvt convo between POTUS and PM in fabrications to Israeli press 2/2
— @NSCPress (@NSCPress) July 29, 2014
Sure enough, it wouldn't look good if only the US denied so Netanyahu had to step in, which he did:
The Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement that the Channel 1 report is false, using precisely the same words as the White House.
“We have seen these reports, and neither the reports nor the alleged transcript bear any resemblance to reality. It’s shocking and disappointing that someone would sink to misrepresenting a private conversation between the President and the Prime Minister in fabrications to the Israeli press,” the PMO says.
Despite the denials, Israel's Channel 1 refused to retract the leaked statement. Worse, it revealed the source of the leak as a "senior American official."
Despite rejections by American and Israeli officials, Channel 1?s Or Nahari insists that the transcript leaked to him by a “senior American official” is authentic, but acknowledges that the quotes he published were merely an excerpt from a long conversation.
All of which leads to three quite disturbing, for Obama, possibilities:
- With Russia clearly ignoring US "superpower" status and openly defying not only the US, but Europe, and hence NATO, Obama now has another foreign relations disaster on his hands, where a former close ally of the US is now openly refusing to bow down to US demands.
- There is a leak in the highest echelons of US power, one which appears focused on exposing the administration in a position of weakness
- The media tactics of fabrication and lies, so prevalent in the US vs Russia proxy war through the Ukraine, have now seeped over into US-Israel relations.
Whichever one of these is the truth, it simply means that the old Pax Americana world, in which the word of the US president was final, is no more, and first Russia (and thus the BRICs), and now such staunch allies as Israel, are clearly defying the former. Or perhaps one should add former superpower?
As for John Kerry, just stick a fork in him already as per the following clip.
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Obama just keeps making friends.
Of course, with friends like Israel, you don't need enemies.
Hark! The Herald Devils Sing!
Guys, it's all scripted. Pick no side.
If it was complete and utter bullshit, why is there a need to respond in the exact same words, or even at all?
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/494204571166973954
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/494204683192639488
Wow! What a choice! Who do we believe, Israel or Obama?
DoChen,
Obama will be the winner here!
Watch.
It's a brilliant move by Obama.
Am I the only one who wants to see a transcript of Obama's last call with Putin?
They may have talked about this http://rt.com/news/176280-un-isis-oil-trade/
"I demand."
Whoa, wha? TeeHee, HaHa.
Buhuahahahahha! Bitch, Bitchez.
Time is running out for Iran to launch a massive and devastating preemptive strike against Israel, because as soon as Hamas gets completely annihilated, the Zion-Arab coalition will bring back the Islamic Republic to the Stone Age.
You say that like its a bad thing.
Civilization will buy itself another 100 years if the Shiite entity is turned into a glass parking lot in the desert.
I havent forgotten 1979. Death to Iran.
I'm sure they didn't talk about this.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/obama-release-ukraine-evidence.html
The disinformation and counter-disinformation is too thick to wade through any more. I trust neither side, nor our president.
I think I'm with Ron Paul- this would be another fantastic opportunity for us to butt the hell out. Wanna go to war? Fine. But we're not doing it for you, we're not helping you do it and we're not supplying you the weapons to do it with.
No surprise here Lou Costello was a proud dual citizen with his second passport. Why death to Iran, they are not the ones stealing land and bulldozing homes and olive groves day in and day out.
"Stop it right now!" exclaimed Obama before adding, "Check for $3 Billion on its way. Enjoy."
And off America goes arming ISIS...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/29/373312/us-selling-5000-hellfire-...
What could possibly go wrong? ;-)
If you're a fan of Oded Yinon... nothing has, so far.
Never heard of him before now, he's a journalist as far as I can tell.
Whats your point?
so-called "journalists" work for the NYT
have you seen their chart of their "B" shares?
- Ned
Israel has the right to exist. This site is filled with Jew-haters and atheists. Repent, bitchez.
You really can't help yourself can you?
Screw your stupid blog; go advertise somewhere else.
Oh yeah...and stop creating new fake identities.
The only thing holy about Israel is the trail of bodies they leave behind riddled with holes.
This is fake. The transcript uses too many buzzwords. Besides, thats a short convo. ;-P
"fuck Jew!" "No FUCK JEW!" "you talking to me?"
Ben Stein actually has an article out claiming/whining that the corporate MSM is "anti-Semitic".
The level of dishonesty and delusion amongst the Israel Firsters is breath-taking.
Well, how often does the MSM not say that Israel has the right to slaughter anyone, man, woman, and child, regardless whether it's 'collateral' damage or not? The MSM keep insisting that Israel try to keep civilian casualties down... or... at the very least, give them some soothing platitudes that they can uncritically repeat.
That takes work on the part on guys like Regev. Regev has to be paid by Israeli* taxpayers, so that's some bad anti-Semitism, right there.
*US
Calm down. You speak as if Jews in America are clandestinely working in cohesion to dismantle the very fabric of society. In fact your very accusation of delusion and dishonesty is in itself deluded and dishonest. Is the MSM's agenda not to promote mass abandonment of traditional values and moral codes associated with unique religious, ethnic, cultural and national affiliations? To promote a "brave new world"? Now, tell me, how does Israel fit into this agenda? After some examination, you'll realize that it's almost diametrically opposed to it! Israel is all about restoring a Commonwealth destroyed by pax romana 1800 years ago based on practically biological criterion (matrilenial lineage). Yes, a fundamental precept of the old testament/rabbinical code is to uproot and demolish false gods, whether they be socialism, nationalism, capitalism, Jesus or Kim kardashian's ass. And that's the root cause of people's fatal mistake of attributing all seemingly man-made chaos to them. But to attribute to Zion manipulation of MSM is laughable, especially after you realize how incompetent its so-called leaders are.
Wow. That's quite a logic salad you've prepared for us.
But maybe you should have stopped tossing all the leaves around a little sooner.
Wrong. Their historic and cultural attitude has often been one of dissolution and open borders for the goyim/tribes by whatever means available (capitalism/banking or communism... financed by Jewish bankers) while maintaining themselves.
For example, Marx's "Communist" or "liberal" rabbi was simultaneously a Zionist and Jewish nationalist:
Understand Judaism and its role in the creation of secret societies for the dumb goy or you'll understand almost nothing these days. Or most other days either.
Oded Yinon? Probably the most influential geogtrategist - certainly for MENA - since the 1970's?
You surprise me, nmewn. Though if you had admitted to knowing about him and his recommendations, it would have made it harder for you to get away (unchallenged) with your pro-Israeli bias here.
So influential in the 70's-80's that I had no idea who he was, ok, sure.
I'm left with the impression you want me to step off a cliff that has fog one foot below its lip and you are promising me the fog is covering a stable foot bridge...just one and a half feet down, that I can't see.
Be that as it may, its not hard to believe someone would be recommending sewing seeds of discontent within nations that had just attacked (and had been defeated by) Israel to keep them pre-occupied but of course, I haven't been given any proof of that or that the foot bridge you're telling me is there.
Are you asking me to have "faith" that your obvious anti-Israel bias is completely trustworthy and that is exactly whats happening and that the foot bridge really there?
It works both ways.
The difference, nmewn, is that my anti-zionist 'bias' is explicit; your pro-Israeli bias is routinely denied, and hidden behind your attempts to divert attention away from Zionism's atrocities and onto how dreadful Islam is, and Muslims are... as if that's some kind of excuse for the atrocities Zionists have been committing since the mid 1940's... and, by some reckonings, long before. Or their incessant meddling in Western polities and hijacking our foreign policy, as well as stealing our hard earned wealth via grants given to them courtesy of compulsory taxation in OUR countries..
As for your bizarre analogy; stepping off a cliff onto a hidden bridge has possibly life-threatening consequences; asking you to spend 15 minutes researching an Israeli geostrategist's recommendations - and the people in various US administrations he is known to have influenced - carries no such threat.
But perhaps your analogy has some Freudian overtones, in that you see the maintenance of your cover here as a life and death matter. Is that the case?
Some anonymous geostrategist and groundless talk of "atrocities" won't change people's feelings about Israel. It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality. Interesting though that the Palestinian cause seems to have found its strongest supporters among Marxists, collectivist anarchists, jihadists and white supremacists. (Talk about bridging a human divide!)
Some anonymous geostrategist and groundless talk of "atrocities" won't change people's feelings about Israel.
Look Hasbara, maybe in Hebrew someone can be called by his name 'Oded Yinon' and miraculously be 'anonymous' at the same time, but not in English. And Zionists' atrocities are well documented, from the birth of Israel (Deir Yassin & the King David Hotel bombing) to the present day; dropping white phosphorus on civilians, and using Palestinian children as human shields are just two examples of the vile behaviour Zionists think is fine to routinely visit upon the hapless native Goyim.
Interesting though that the Palestinian cause seems to have found its strongest supporters among Marxists, collectivist anarchists...
You are a very confused man. Marxists? Collectivist anarchists? What do you think Kibbutz are an expression of?
... jihadists and white supremacists
Well, the jihadists are obvious... though, now that you mention it, Oded Yinon's apotheosis, ISIS, seem much more concerned with threatening and killing other Muslims, not helping them. As for white supremacists, they disdain all semites, from what I can tell. Oh? What's that? You didn't know Palestinians are semites too? In fact, they're usually more 'semitic' than most of the Zionists who reflexively bleat 'anti-semite, anti-semite' whenever they're criticised.
It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.
Thanks, I've got coffee all over my keyboard now, as well as dribbling out of my nostrils.
Please, please elaborate how a racial supremacist ideology that gives a bunch of Europeans - who may (or may not) have had a few ancestors in a country 1400 years ago - leave to terrorise, kill and expropriate that land from the people who have been tending, occupying, and living on it for scores of generations.
Give it your best shot. I'll go brew myself another coffee; this should be good!
It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.
The fuck??
Sephardi leader Yosef: Non-Jews exist to serve JewsOvadia Yosef and Benjamin Netanyahu
Chabad Mafia
Chabad and Netanyahu
Israeli PM praises Chabad
Interesting that no other tribal or supremacist groups have been awarded Congressional Gold Medals by Zionist scumbags like Charles "strangle the Palestinians" Chumer for their charitable work.
Apparenlty support for Jewish supremacy is the only thing that Congress can unanimously agree on these days. They could give a medal to Donald "I'm not a racist, it's just my culture." Sterling if even the most dimwitted of the dumb goy wasn't catching on that even when Jews supposedly lead "civil rights" or Communist movments for equality among the goy, they might not actually be about to poop out rainbows on everyone from all the loooove and charity that they have in their good little (equal) hearts.
You're clueless. The sum of your education on the region seems to have come off the internet. Won't waste my time engaging you in debate.
Just curious, are you also so knowledgeable about other regions of the world? What's your take on Kashmir? Rwanda? Darfur? Kurdistan? Falkland islands? Or just from some peculiar reason, is it Israel that's your "speciallty"? And by the way, kibbutzim comprise maybe 1 percent of the entire Israeli population. Plus for the past 20 years they're as capitalist as Adam Smith. A Troy ounce says that some consumer/capital good you've enjoyed, over the past year has either been developed or manufactured (in part ) in or by kibbutz or its members. And they aren't anarchists. They're middle of the road statists. (unfortunately)
Also, hasbara would imply that I'm under the employ of the government in Zion. That's quite amusing. I probably wouldn't even be able to get considered for an interview for entry level position as a clerk, but have it your way fool.
Hey look, Hasbara evades answering the question arising from his previously unsupported assertion:
It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.
here, let me repeat my request:
Please, please elaborate how a racial supremacist ideology that gives a bunch of Europeans - who may (or may not) have had a few ancestors in a country 1400 years ago - leave to terrorise, kill and expropriate that land from the people who have been tending, occupying, and living on it for scores of generations.
C'mon, this should be easy for you, seeing as you've implied YOUR knowledge comes from living in 'the region'.
You know what I've come to learn about you anti-Israel types? You are all conspiratorial nutcases, seriously, you're apparently by-polar, you need help.
"But perhaps your analogy has some Freudian overtones, in that you see the maintenance of your cover here as a life and death matter?"
Maintenance of my cover? A guy who works all day (that would be me) vs people who comment all day on ZH and froth at the mouth at the mere mention of Israel?
Really?
Ok because you're obviously the self professed brightest bulb in the box (having blown my cover...lol) tell me what exactly or who I am. And be specific, am I CIA, NSA, Mossad, a "private contractor"...what?
You know what I've come to learn about you anti-Israel types? You are all conspiratorial nutcases, seriously, you're apparently by-polar, you need help.
Yup, all those 'representatives' standing up and swearing eternal fealty to Israel... while supposedly working for the Western taxpayer. All the MSM bending over backwards to repeat Israeli propaganda unchallenged. All the aid that goes to Israel. The attack on the USS Liberty. All the other documented Israeli false-flags. Zionism having backers with deep, deep pockets and political sway for more than a century before the founding of Israel, and these same backers being behind the creation of the Fed. Yup, we made all that up, us Israel haters. You know what? Maybe we wouldn't hate Israel if it so clearly didn't hate us.
As for my Freudian jibe, you're the one using life and death analogies to exuse your deliberate ignorance. Why?
And what are you? A Christian Zionist, is my guess.
Which would be fine, if you just came out and said it.
You've already told us all you're a Christian, you're overt about that (and why shouldn't you be?). So just take the next step and declare you think the (alleged) descendents of people who left an area 1400 years ago, have a better claim to it than the Muslims - whom you clearly have a deep dislike for - who have been tending the land for scores of generations. And why? Because the Bible tells you so.
If that's your position, at least have the balls to come out and say it, instead of weaseling around every time someone calls you on it.
...its not hard to believe someone would be recommending sewing seeds of discontent within nations that had just attacked (and had been defeated by) Israel to keep them pre-occupied...
Define "just attacked"...
firing air to ground missiles from a Cessna...
Could the world be any more ass backwards?
ISIS: aren't those the guys that are supposed to keep the rest of the Muslim world in fear and relying on Mother USA?
#TheISISisLoose
Re: "Russia clearly...openly defying not only the US, but Europe, and hence NATO."
Huh? What did Russia do? Russia stays on its own side of the fence, and we're supposed to blame them for that? Who does this writer think installed the Nazist junta in the first place? NATO seems a cesspit, like the EU. No wonder big players contemplate dropping out.
As with everything else "disabled vet reported it first" albeit from the safety of "that dude's couch" namely and I quote ME "the Secretary of State must have instructions first" meaning "simply sending the dude over to demand peace will cause war." And of course this is (incompetently) exactly what happened.
"Drop dead Israel" is coming direct from the White House not the SOS.
I say "impeachment is only a matter of time now." Great SOS, bottom line "wrong guy, wrong place, wrong time." Sec Def now free to do "whatever" as total chaos is the alternative. Meaning "de facto" chaos. In short...unless and until Congress and Harry Reid decide otherwise Chuck Bagel is for all intents and purposes now AND GOING FORWARD President of the United States.
PERIOD.
Sorry...Hagel not Bagel. Google is trying to run the world too.
What's even harder to understand is that the Iraqis think they don't have to fight a ground war to beat ISIS. Right, 5,000 Hellfire missiles will do the the trick. How about if they hire some generals who understand combat strategy.
im wary of press tv since they keep letting gordon duff write stuff for them. he should not be allowed near any newsroom that aims to have a reputation worth upholding.
Excellent. Show the world your true face.
your true farce?
True farce actually. And "may the farce be with you too."
That old Planet of the Apes movie slams into my head at that ...
"I show my god my true face" as the mutants take their latex masks off before an armed cobalt bomb.
Imagine Nettanyahu taking off his latex mask and saying "I show my god my true face" as he receives a new shipment of cobalt-nickel-tungsten metal Zyklon bombs from the USA.
You say that like its a bad thing.
Civilization will buy itself another 100 years if the Shiite entity is turned into a glass parking lot in the desert.
I havent forgotten 1979. Death to Iran.
No, but you've clearly forgotten 1953, haven't you, psycho?
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Now, now, don't go hurting DramaQueenDave's feelings. He's very sensitive, you know, a delicate flower.
And don't you dare mention Lake Mead or he'll give everyone the silent treatment for a week.
1953? What you addressing in particular if you don't mind my asking.
Operation Ajax
TOO SUCCINCT!!!
I let him have it so that he knows that our wonderful CIA is a bunch of meddling, troublemaking assholes.
Good work. I figured he'd google it if he were genuinely interested, though.
Looking back, most of that Oil was used in the west for people to drive to cubicle farms and be "managed" by managers. The 2008 crash, GM, Solyndra, bailouts, Donald Trump going bankrupt every 5 years showed us that 70% of the "good" jobs just did not matter. Including the manufacturing jobs producing endless amounts of crap that falls apart in 3 years or less. GM now recalls more cars per year than it sells. I can't wait until they are recalling more autos than they produce. The 200 Billion Rumsfeld lost.
All that destabilization. All the death. All the trampling on the concept of liberty, much less democracy, so that people could commute to work to file TPS reports 10 hours per day.
"Looking back..."
+100
You covered a lot of ground there, buddy!
And you nailed it!
u boyz haven't been around much, nor have u been ooout among real people much...
don't cha' know.
- Ned
(a lotta' country between dem "parenz" around de coastz}
Oh don't get me wrong. My grandparents farmed with mules. Those were real people with real things. I understand the enormous energy inputs required to fertilize crops and run a modern 300HP tractor. But I also kinda laugh at the new "good ole' boys" driving $70,000, 8 MPG jacked up trucks 50 miles per day during the 45 weeks per year they are not farming. Usually to a desk job of some type.
Back to the original point, I remember seeing the movie "The Graduate." The reason oil based "plastics" was "the" industry to get into is because 99% of those products would need to be replaced in 3 years or less.
The overthrow of a democratically elected leader of Iran by the CIA and the installation of the Shah Palavi of Iran.
He was a ruthless and brutal dictator over his people, casuing untold suffering, but friendly to the United States Oil Corporation's interests.
Gee...I just do not know why the Iranians would be pissed about that...
Well they were and they deposed the Shah and Khomeni took over. Then they seized the Embassy and took the occupant CIA Agents "hostage".
(They were actually "Prisoners of War" as the invasion was an overt act of war as they invaded sovereign US Territory. But Carter was too fucking weak to declare that a state of War existed.)
But as it developed we got our "hostages" back, tortured, after 444 Days because of a Backdoor Deal with former CIA Director, and, at the time, Vice Presidential Candidate George HW Bush.
But after we got the hostages back, we made a phone call to our buddy over in Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and asked that he invade Iran...which he subsequently did.
You can bet that made Iran really happy.
But that was okay because our CIA bought some Cocaine down in Columbia, sold it to the people as Crack Cocaine on the streets of East Los Angeles. Then the CIA took those profits, bought weapons and sold them to Iran, covertly arming them so that they could fight the Iraqis, who we were overtly supporting. Then the CIA, then, took the profits from that to arm the Contra Rebels who were fighting the democratically elected Government down in Nicaragua, who we wanted overthrown just like the one in Iran back in 1953, against the wishes of Congress.
(That was called the Iran-Contra Scandal which Reagan actually did not know about because he was experiencing the beginnings of Alzheimers Disease...and George HW Bush was acting as President.)
We used Noriega in Panama to broker those Cocaine Deals with Columbia but he had a fucking big mouth. (How do you think Congress found out??)
Well George HW Bush was pretty pissed off about that so we set him up after George HW Bush was elected President. Then we had our US Navy Seals INVADE PANAMA and depose him.
That happened right before April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq, gave Saddam Hussein permission to invade Kuwait in July, 1990.
DO YOU GET THE FUCKING IDEA NOW???
Why is you be hatin on Merka?
AAGH! The truth! It burns! Make it stop!
Wow... great post!
(now if I could just fit that on a bumber sticker...)
Let me help you there Buddy, actually this is quite easy to do:
CIA = Assholes
Short and sweet and pretty much sums everything up!
yep
Great summary, TT!
Pretty good summary.
You left out the failed rescue mission (lots of grist for the conspiracy mill there)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Hey, Ollie North and the Contras would have been a good name for a punk band, no?
I believe they're referring to the 1953 US-sponsored coup that overthrew the elected government of Iran and installed the Shah, whose reign of brutal corruption inspired the anger and resentment against America that boiled over in 1979 when Iranians deposed the Shah, Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile in Paris, and the US gave asylum to the Shah and ignored Iran's demands that he be returned to stand trial for high crimes committed in office.
That's the part most people in the US like to forget. But without that information, the seizure of the US Embassy and the whole "Death To America" thing doesn't make any sense. Which is probably why it's so easy to tell Americans the Iranians are just crazy and hate us for our freedoms.
But we have freedom fries.
And Hoverounds with 64oz beverage holders.
And even that "revolution" was likely backed by surreptitious US forces for nefarious purposes.
And even that "revolution" was likely backed by surreptitious US forces for nefarious purposes.
Unlikely.
But Argo was a good movie...
Not to mention that they (Iranians) have their own independant 'central bank'...
Operation Ajax
How long is the technique of controlling banking and media with inteligence agencies working for oligarchs going to work?
It seems like the internet is throwing some new wrinkles in it.
hey fucking POS,Death to israhole.
Fifty odd years of the US and UK stealing all of the Iranian oil and murdering anyone who got in the way and you wonder why the ragheads don't like us? The Iranians may be assholes but you are an idiot (and an asshole).
I think the New York Times style manual suggests "rugheads".
Carry on.
Thanks for the tip!
And the Persians have not forgotten 1953.
1953. Mossadegh. Operation AJAX. Dulles.
Research it before you embarass yourself any further.
Do you remember 1953? How about 1992?
Nuke Israel.
Ah, Comte! You might like this then.
From Article Seven...:
The Covenant Of The Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: 'The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.' (Recorded in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim)."
The religion of Peace
In their own words. It was time to post it.
Disclosure: neither Jewish/Zionist/Khazar nor Muslim
religion of peace?
isn't that an oxymoron?
lol...sounds like a perfectly normal caliphate to me ;-)
You fuck southern christain zionist,go have sex with your mom,,
You seem very excitable, I fuck southern christain zionists? I don't even know who those would be.
Are you lost? You can find HuffPo or Demonocracy Now with Google ;-)
Ah, yes, the religion of peace... that would be Judaism and Chritianity, would it not?
1Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroya all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’?”
No? How about this one?
22 Little by little he will drive out these nations as you advance. You will not be able to destroy them all at once, for, if you did, the number of wild animals would increase and be a threat to you. 23 The Lord will put your enemies in your power and make them panic until they are destroyed. 24 He will put their kings in your power. You will kill them, and they will be forgotten. No one will be able to stop you; you will destroy everyone.
And don't get me started on the Talmud, please.
Welcome to the 21st century BJ.
;-)
That's some weak sauce you bring, everyone knows "islam is a religion of peace".
Here's one from Christianity, "You shall know them by their fruit".
did that make sense to you when you wrote it?
If so - why?
Welcome to the 21st century BJ.
I see! So the hateful quote from the Koran (to which my Judeo-Christian counter-example was directed) was written in the 21st century, was it?
Here's one from Christianity, "You shall know them by their fruit".
Wow! I like that one! Let's apply it to Zionists! Some of the 'fruit' by which we shall know them would be the subversion of our monetary systems, terrorism, slaughter, slow motion ethnic cleansing, and large-scale resource theft.
How's them fruit for you, Hasbara?
You forgot false flags like the underwear bomber and 911 with Talmudists like Chertoff profiting off sending the goyim/cattle through the cattle gates in the background.
Random note from the past, on the fruit of the Talmud:
As mind bendingly dumb and stupid as many goyim are, it's tempting to leave Jewish supremacists laughing all the way to... THE BANK.
But like Ezra Pound, of course I have to ramble on about the rotten fruit of cultures that have been cultivated based on the Talmud. Is there any creature dumber than the Christian Zionist, who rejects the very teachings of the Rabbi that they claim to follow? Perhaps only the supposed "atheist" who has accepted "order out of chaos" creation myths promulgated to them through Masonic networks, yet they still support secular versions of Jewish supremacy anyway.
Are people really this stupid and ignorant?
Probably. If you are investing, then you'll probably need to invest in stupidity and ignorance and War Inc. Perhaps with Corrections Corporation of America and whatever security company Michael Chertoff creates on the side too. The Israelis keep almost openly telling their dumb goyim golem of Team America: "We won't outsource our own national security." (The fine print: Like you already did when you entrusted your national security to our Tribe Inc.) Apparenlty what is good for the goy, isn't necessarily good for the Jews.
Who is speaking...Samuel isn't it?
He forgot that part.
and you forgot Samuel was purportedly annointed by Yahweh, who later in the book we learn, isn't just one god of one particular group of tribes, but the only god.
The exhortations to violence, racism, and supremacism in the Old Testament/Torah are abundant. Inane quips don't excuse you from using your internet connection to actually learn about them.
Jim makes a valid point. Arguing that it wasn't yahweh/god actually saying it would make sense if....a god had in fact said any of it... fictional characters providing moral guidance, all of them, even when the character, as in Deuteronomy or Leviticus, which I guess you cunts never were forced to read [lucky you], is said to be god.
You forgot that part.
http://www.evilbible.com/
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ot_list.html (good site)
also see: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html (great site, focusing mainly on the fiction of the NT)
and: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/11/hate-non-jews...
best comment:
Hence, with tis Talmudic magical thinking, and per the "supercessionism" entry at wiki - while the chosen people mythos is not racist, the notion that salvation through Christ, available to anybody, constitutes the new covenant, and new people of God, is racist, although it has nothing at all to do with race.
Got it? :0}
Good. Now, go back to thinking only the Koran has violence, and when someone finds easy to find evidence of violence and hate in Jewish texts, feel free to accuse them of hate. For... pointing out the...hate.
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selections from Talmud and yes, a small minority of orthodox jews reject it and adhere to the equally racialist, supremacist, bizarre and nonsensical Torah.
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Gentiles are inclined to bestiality, lewdness and murder. Gentiles prefer sexual relations with cows more than their own wives. Eve had sexual intercourse with the serpent, transmitting lust to the gentiles, from which Israelites are exempt. (BT Abodah Zarah 22a).
A gentile who observes a day of rest deserves death. (BT Sandendrin 58b).
God is displeased when Jews show hospitality to gentiles. (BT Sanhendrin 104a).
It is forbidden to teach gentiles the Law. (BT Hagigah 13a).
A gentile who studies the Law deserves death. (BT Sanhedrin 59a).
It is permissible to cheat a gentile in court. (BT Baba Kamma 113a).
For executing a gentile, only one person’s testimony is necessary. (To kill a Jew, two witnesses are necessary). (BT Sanhendrin 57b0>
Jews may steal from Non-Jews
If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile it does not have to be returned. (BT Baba Mezia 24a. Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Property of gentiles is like the desert; whoever among the Jews gets there first, owns it. (BT Baba Bathra 54b).
If a gentile loses something, a Jew may keep it, even if he knows the owner. (BT Baba Kamma 113b).
A gentile must pay wages to a Jew, but a Jew does not have to pay wages to a gentile. (BT Sanhedrin 57a).
The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.” (BT Baba Kamma 37b).
If a gentile robs a Jew, he must pay him back. But whatever a Jew robs from a gentile, the Jew may keep. Some robbery of gentiles is disguised as “confiscation of an unpaid debt” (Bava Kama 113b; also Bava Metzia 111b).
BT Sanhedrin 52B: “A non-Jew is not considered a neighbor.”
If a gentile hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed (BT Sanhedrin 58b).
A gentile who strikes a Jew deserves death. Striking a Jew is in God’s eyes an assault on the Divine Presence. (BT Sanhedrin 58b).
All the blessings which gentiles enjoy come to them only because of God’s regard for Israel. (BT Yebamoth 63a).
A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work (BT Sanhedrin 57a).
If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite (non-Jew) there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is be in full. (BT Baba Kamma 37b).
The deeds of Israel are righteous, but the gentiles are capable only of sin. (BT Baba Bathra 10b).
Wine touched by a gentile renders has been defiled and is unfit for use by Jews. (BT Abodah Zarah 72b). Thieves of unknown ethnic background broke into a Jew’s building and touched his wine. Since he did not know who touched the wine, he way unsure whether or not it had been defiled by a gentile’s touch. The rabbis rule that since the majority of thieves in that city were Jews, the wine was undefiled. (BT Abodah Zarah 70a).
Abodah Zarah 17a states that there is not a whore in the whole world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
Hagigah 27a declares that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell (BT Erubin 21b).
A sly rabbi debates God and through trickery defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate. (BT Baba Mezia 59b).
Dude, you smoked 'em; far better than I could, I must add.
Having said that... isn't a lot of the Talmud just a recording of debates between famous rabbis, arguing over how to interpret the Torah? And that if you read the whole passage from which any of these vile quotes are extracted, you may find the rabbinical consensus is considerably less toxic?
Like most people, I haven't read the Talmud - the fucking thing is 6200 pages of centuries of dense, Judaic nitpicking - but I suppose it's time I at least go and read a few of the passages from which the more appalling of the above quotes have been extracted... just to be sure I'm not slandering it.
What did Twain say? The problem is not the stuff you don't know; the problem is the stuff you think you know that just ain't so :-)
Having said that... isn't a lot of the Talmud just a recording of debates between famous rabbis, arguing over how to interpret the Torah?
And that if you read the whole passage from which any of these vile quotes are extracted, you may find the rabbinical consensus is considerably less toxic?
Well, sure... it all tends to vary based on the perceived interests of the tribe at any given time. But when they begin to be in power, then note the fruits of cultures that have been cultivated based on the Talmud. It's humorous to see Zionists point to Islamists and say, "They say peace, peace... but look what they do when the tipping point is reached and they achieve power over the dhimmi and the kuffar!"
Indeed. But what do you usually do when you achieve power of the goyim? You won't terrorize them in your interests and for false profits with false flags, will you? And what about Purim... you wouldn't celebrate the preemptive murder of perceived enemies of your tribe, would you? Etc.
In any event, translations tend to vary sometimes when it comes to the interests of the tribe.... just ask Sibel Edmonds about 911.
Ramble, what I find interesting about it all is that almost everyone finds it necessary to refer to natural law or an external Logos to things these days and they usually use that to interpret their texts. Or play pretend that their text matches an external standard better than some other one. Apparently when it comes down to it, whatever moral sense or sense of karma people have is not in Talmudic or Islamic or Biblical texts per se. Whatever it is that we're all sensing and in some cases perverting through a process of rationalization about right and wrong (That itself probably shouldn't exist if everything is essentially senseless in the end.), we seem to be sensing that it is external to texts anyway.
Maybe that's why Jesus never wrote anything down.
I didn't appreciate your insights into the OT.
Who's speaking here - I can't tell:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-Chapter-12/
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-Chapter-13/
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-14-2/
The Devil, right?
Surely, it is according to the gnostics, who had access to more such texts than do we. They may have been onto something. Weirdly, gnostic ideas are embedded within the recent "Noah" movie.
kidding aside - kinda cool. I didn't realize who the director and writer were, thought it was bait for the morons...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/01/theologian-blasts-chri...
To steal Anthony Jeselnik's line - I'm an atheist {agnostic, actually}...I don't have some great story behind it, I'm just, you know - reasonable.
I'd pile on the Koran, but, what's the fucking point really? That's not what people like you need learnin' about, wot?
Surely, it is according to the gnostics, who had access to more such texts than do we. They may have been onto something. Weirdly, gnostic ideas are embedded within the recent "Noah" movie.
Not weirdly at all. Hollywood is shaped by Jewish culture, which itself is shaped by the Talmud and Kaballah. It would be weird if the supposed "magick" of the ethnic networks formed by the Cabal Inc. and hatred for Jesus, an elitist mentality and so on and so forth didn't seep through.
"Atheists."
Perhaps.
Or not. Does it matter? Did it matter for the Jewish Bolsheviks that vented their hatred and fear in the Holodomor? And why isn't the Holodomor allowed to be framed with rabbinic teachings about human holocausts/sacrifice, sacred six numbers and so on by these supposed """"atheists""""" if they have fully rejected their utterly backward, regressive culture of hatred and fear of the goyim?
Most atheists, authentic or not, still seem to be Jewish supremacists... just look at Richard Dawkins. Apparently even if there is no God and Jesus was mythological, the Jews are still the "chosen" collectively as a tribe or a race in some way. Well, if you're into Masonic "order out of chaos" creation myths in which your brain events are naturally "selected" to emerge and evolve from a void of ignorance and blind processes which can't actually select anything.
Who is speaking...Samuel isn't it?
You're not bad at this, nmewn, but, because you have a hidden agenda, you're clearly finding it increasingly hard to cover your tracks the longer this Gaza business stirs any debate concerning Israel's actions. It must be tricky for you... do you weigh in every time someone criticises Israel, and risk exposure, (but allow the comments go unchallenged)... or do you do your best to move the topic to how execrable Muslims are... as if that's some kind of excuse for all the atrocities Zionists have and are committing, aided and abetted by 'our' money and political sway?
Your 'rebuttal' would work if Samuel - who at the time of speaking was supposed to be conveying God's word - was later disowned by God for being a false Prophet. But he wasn't, was he? And more to the point - you know this already.
So in Jewish (and thereby, Christian) lore, his words carry the same weight as Muhammad's do for a Muslim.
But as I said - you know this already. So your post shows you to be a sophist, and the fact you repeatedly deny being pro-Israeli means you're a shill to boot.
I don't read Huffpo.You should read your christian zionist post there.They like it better.I & others have read your posts.Blatantly pro-israel.Go post on Haaretz,Jerusalem post etc.
duuuuuuuuude, if u want to know, then u need to reverse your evident anal-cranial inversion. That will ease the pain and then, after u have wiped the shit off of your eyes, u can look abooot and see something that might help.
Helpfully, I am your,
- Ned
First the Saturady people...then the Sunday people, then the rest of the infidels...that's their full charter. Then they will kill each other....
http://weaselzippers.us/194618-pakistani-mob-kills-ahmadi-grandmother-two-young-girls-after-accusing-them-of-blasphemous-facebook-post/
Perfectly normal people.
Gee, more wisdom from a 911 truth denier, and spattered all over this thread. Aren't we lucky.
Tired of these culture wars. What about Christianity's inquisition, witch burnings, conquest of native peoples, etc? Who will throw the first stone? It's the fucking ZIONISTS who founded Hamas in the 70s; it's the ZIONISTS who funded the mujahadin and started Al Qaeda back in the early 80s; it's the ZIONISTS who fund and provide weapons and cover to ISIS; it's the ZIONISTS who are behind the fractional reserve fiat currency system that is sucking the planet dry. It's the supposed CHRISTIANS who are behind GMO, tainted vaccines, aerosol geoengineering with nano aluminum, and water fluoridation using an industrial waste fluoride source. Shit, the Nazis were fucking Christians. Circumcision of boys is a barbaric Christian tradition. Should I be happy about my mutilated penis, the product of enlightened "Christian" religious values?
The bottom line is, Western interests are funding the worst and most extreme religious groups on the planet in order to destablize everything. Moderate governments that try to do the right thing (and not be complete Western corporate pawns) are overthrown. So you get this backwater shit rising up all over the planet because the Satanic death cult ZIONISTS want it that way. I can quote shit from the Bible that is just as dark and twisted as anything the Quran serves up, if you need reminders of the skeletons in the Pope's closet.
Tell us what you really feel.
Seriously, I share your annoyance. Everybody is acculturated to focus blame and hate at the groups to left and right of them, failing to stop and look UP. If you want to see through propaganda these days, turn on the TV news and ask yourself continually if blame is really being placed where it belongs. It's a good way to keep perspective. The BS is so thick it's next to impossible for the average zombie to figure out which way is UP. Things are not going to improve until power is taken away from purveyors of BS.
Leaving you to ruminate about your mutilated penis aside for the moment, the thing is, Christians don't burn witches anymore.
In the immortal words of some half wit inside the Obama administration "Dude! That was like, over two years ago." We have moved on.
However, for some unexplained reason, Muslims spontaneoulsy combust inside crowds (when they're not raping female reporters IN CROWDS in Tahrir Square) taking non-Muslims (and Muslims) with them. It really cuts down on the vibe the rest of the world gets from them, if you know what I mean.
Returning to your "unfortunate circumcision", I suppose we can expect the 90% of Egyptian women who have had their clits removed to "rally" to your cause? ;-)
Go ahead and be cute if that suits you. I've seen videos from the 1960s of women in Afghanistan with long hair, no burkhas, holding jobs, etc. What happened? Western imperialism happened. We found a weakness in Islam and exploited it to our short term benefit. The Zionists want Islam to destroy Israel. That's part of what is required to bring about the Death Cult's NWO. We're all being played. Go ahead and hate Islam if you want to. Good luck with eradicating 1.5 billion of them. Where's your venom for the Chinese? Mao killed 80 million of his own, much worse than any Islamic whacko ever did. What about all the footbinding in China, every bit as barbarous as clitarectomy imo?But it's Islam's overlooking Jesus, isn't that your real issue? Another war over whose God somebody worships? Fuck off, I won't support your holy war against Islam. I want minimal government, minimal taxation, secure borders, clean air and water, and yes, I want the Church to stay away from my dick. :)
Islam doesn't allow userers that engage in fractional reserve lending. But picture 1.5 billion Muslims setting up something like the Rothschild's Bank of England, taking their trillions of fiat $ to support radical Xtians in the US. You'd have multi-billion dollar endowments for the God Hates Fags brigade, folks who bomb abortion clinics, etc etc. What I mean is, if the "enemy" supported the wrong groups in the US, giving them unlimited funding, we could look a lot more barbaric than we do.
HamFistedidiot, your Muslim master wants you to STFU and get back into your burka. Another thing bitch, remember to walk 10 step behind your Muslim master!
Hasbara zio queer. go suck dick motherfu cker. Filthy kike.
Fuck off,you are a christian zionist.
You fuckoff, you are a Obamaclone in mom jeans.
Sorry but the christians still do it too. http://iclcj.com/?p=375
Revolting, assuredly.
Now do Likud's platform, or Shas', or something from Deuteronomy or Joshua.
Comte de Saint ...,
What are you smoking?
C'mon! Israel has over 100 nukes.
Iran never invades anyone. Their last Empire was hundreds of years BC.
Dude you really are annoying. Stop posting more than ten times per story. I am getting to the point where I dream of doing some stuff to you.
It's a bot.
Thank You COSMOS,
I have been wanting to state the same of "it's" poorly contrived drivel; whether it is a Michael Jackson or Yoko Ono avatar- I don't care.
As Ham stated, it might as well be a bot. We can junk it, like we did to those with "credentials"- like Leo and his "solars". We have run lesser losers quicker than this Escrava Isaura POS. The sarc button should be on for most of it's posts but more often there is just this: "............." for a retracted comment. Leave, Escrava Isaura you are NOT welcome at fight club.
AssFire,
Whatever!
HF Idiot,
Are you talking to me? I don't see anybody else here? Do you?
LOL. I find you unstable. The commenters at ZeroHedge can only provide limited therapeutic support. :)
I agree with some folks here that your posts are excessive and sometimes derail the conversation. That's why I wondered if you were a new kind of Cass Sunstein bot mean to disrupt viewpoints opposing Washington's. But you seem to have a few good ideas, even as you weave in and out of coherence.
Best wishes to you, and keep sharp!
HamFistedIdiot,
Thanks!
I will try to follow your advice, stably.
You find the bot unstable?
You, who were just moments ago publically lamenting your mutilated male member?
Only half kidding, I'm just happy to see your anger recede.
Hey, are you circumcised? I need a support group for this. :)
HamFistedIdiot needs to belong to the castrated gaymafia support group.
You have that dream too? I thought I was the only one.
Who are you?
Name change to Excrementasauras
Colonel Klink,
Your nonsense never ceases to amuse me!
Thanks, very kind of you. I hope to continue to amuse you.
Please, don't ever change. It would spoil the fun.
What a bunch of BS, just a 'leak' done on purpose. To make Obama looks like he wants the fighting to stop and Israel to pull back. Meanwhile nutty keeps calling them terrorists and violators of cease fires without mentioning how day in and out they are stealing more Pali land and destroying homes and olive groves. BUNCH OF BS
Cosmos,
But somebody still has to win the BS.
Pretty astute comment Isaura, maybe you are turning the corner. Stop being a sock puppet Isaura, you are better than this, maybe a traveling children's puppet show. Why let these Tylers move your lips for you, you can be so much more when you speak for yourself.
COSMOS,
Let’s get the nouns right:
Not a sock puppet... A pragmatist.
The promised land belongs to Israel, not the Muslim hoard.
When will humanity finally, finally see how long and how deeply they've been PLAYED by organized religion?
Lore,
They are too stupid to see that.
But, nice try.
When it really comes down to it, religion is just another belief "system". Yes it is organized and well established but it still relies on strongly held beliefs, much like those held by most posters here. Few are interested in others opinions, only the reinforcement of their own.
Fight club, the home of strongly held beliefs, and many like the religions of old and not so old, believe the only remedy is death or expulsion of those who disagree. Of course the obvious thing for us is to always side with the loser, the underdog, as they are the only ones "pure"enough to deserve our inspired defense.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/7s/why_support_the_underdog/
Not really.
That seems trivially false, at least for most posters. Collectives have their place, but need firm limits. ZHers generally want hard truth.
I'm not talking about organized religion.