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"Shocked" White House Slams "Fabrication" After Israel TV Leaks Damning Transcript Of Obama-Netanyahu Phone Call

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While everyone's attention is glued on Russia and whether Obama can successfully launch World War III, things are going from bad to worse when it also comes to US relations with Israel. Recall that here things were already on the verge of disaster after for some reason, Kerry was unleashed to "arrange" a ceasefire with Israel, when in reality the SecState somehow managed to infuriate every single feuding faction (there are lot of them), Israel included, after Haaretz wrote that "Kerry ruined everything."

So what happened next? Something rather stunning according to the US State Department, and which according to BBC reporter Paul Danahar, constitutes "a severe violation of a private discussions" - Israel’s Channel 1 decided to publish a Hebrew transcript of a portion of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama’s telephone conversation which took place on Sunday, in which Obama was insistent that Israel unilaterally halt all military activities in the Gaza Strip. As is quite clear by now, Israel rejected, and the bloodshed continued.

The transcript, as shown by the Times of Israel was as follows:

The following is an English translation of the Hebrew account of the talk given in the report:

Barack Obama: I demand that Israel agrees to an immediate, unilateral ceasefire and halt all offensive activities, in particular airstrikes.

Benjamin Netanyahu: And what will Israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire?

BO: I believe that Hamas will cease its rocket fire — silence will be met with silence.

BN: Hamas broke all five previous ceasefires. It’s a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

BO: I repeat and expect Israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The pictures of destruction in Gaza distance the world from Israel’s position.

BN: Kerry’s proposal was completely unrealistic and gives Hamas military and diplomatic advantages.

BO: Within a week of the end of Israel’s military activities, Qatar and Turkey will begin negotiations with Hamas based on the 2012 understandings, including Israel’s commitment to removing the siege and restrictions on Gaza.

BN: Qatar and Turkey are the biggest supporters of Hamas. It’s impossible to rely on them to be fair mediators.

BO: I trust Qatar and Turkey. Israel is not in the position that it can choose its mediators.

BN: I protest because Hamas can continue to launch rockets and use tunnels for terror attacks –

BO: (interrupting Netanyahu) The ball’s in Israel’s court, and it must end all its military activities.

One can quickly see why the US would quickly disavow any credibility of this report: after all it wouldn't look very good for the leader of the free world if the leader of another state, one which on top of it all is reliant on the former for continued military and economic support, flat out rejected what amounted to a demand from the US. As expected the denial was prompt with the US administration calling the quotations "fabrications", "shocking", and "disappointing"

It took mere minutes for the National Security Council to deny the transcript was even remotely accurate:

Sure enough, it wouldn't look good if only the US denied so Netanyahu had to step in, which he did:

The Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement that the Channel 1 report is false, using precisely the same words as the White House.

 

“We have seen these reports, and neither the reports nor the alleged transcript bear any resemblance to reality. It’s shocking and disappointing that someone would sink to misrepresenting a private conversation between the President and the Prime Minister in fabrications to the Israeli press,” the PMO says.

Despite the denials, Israel's Channel 1 refused to retract the leaked statement. Worse, it revealed the source of the leak as a "senior American official."

Despite rejections by American and Israeli officials, Channel 1?s Or Nahari insists that the transcript leaked to him by a “senior American official” is authentic, but acknowledges that the quotes he published were merely an excerpt from a long conversation.

All of which leads to three quite disturbing, for Obama, possibilities:

  1. With Russia clearly ignoring US "superpower" status and openly defying not only the US, but Europe, and hence NATO, Obama now has another foreign relations disaster on his hands, where a former close ally of the US is now openly refusing to bow down to US demands.
  2. There is a leak in the highest echelons of US power, one which appears focused on exposing the administration in a position of weakness
  3. The media tactics of fabrication and lies, so prevalent in the US vs Russia proxy war through the Ukraine, have now seeped over into US-Israel relations.

Whichever one of these is the truth, it simply means that the old Pax Americana world, in which the word of the US president was final, is no more, and first Russia (and thus the BRICs), and now such staunch allies as Israel, are clearly defying the former.  Or perhaps one should add former superpower?

As for John Kerry, just stick a fork in him already as per the following clip.

 

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Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:56 | 5019947 zorba THE GREEK
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Obama just keeps making friends.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 18:57 | 5019949 zorba THE GREEK
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Of course, with friends like Israel, you don't need enemies.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:00 | 5019957 J S Bach
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Hark!  The Herald Devils Sing!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:02 | 5019972 Skateboarder
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Guys, it's all scripted. Pick no side.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:08 | 5020001 quintago
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If it was complete and utter bullshit, why is there a need to respond in the exact same words, or even at all?

 

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/494204571166973954

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/494204683192639488

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:12 | 5020020 DoChenRollingBearing
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Wow!  What a choice!  Who do we believe, Israel or Obama?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:25 | 5020036 Escrava Isaura
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DoChen,

Obama will be the winner here!

Watch.

It's a brilliant move by Obama.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:25 | 5020084 zaphod
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Am I the only one who wants to see a transcript of Obama's last call with Putin?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:26 | 5020094 dogfish
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They may have talked about this http://rt.com/news/176280-un-isis-oil-trade/

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:30 | 5020105 espirit
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"I demand."

Whoa, wha? TeeHee, HaHa.

Buhuahahahahha! Bitch, Bitchez.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:39 | 5020148 Comte de Saint ...
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Time is running out for Iran to launch a massive and devastating preemptive strike against Israel, because as soon as Hamas gets completely annihilated, the Zion-Arab coalition will bring back the Islamic Republic to the Stone Age.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:51 | 5020187 LasVegasDave
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You say that like its a bad thing.

Civilization will buy itself another 100 years if the Shiite entity is turned into a glass parking lot in the desert.

I havent forgotten 1979.  Death to Iran.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:55 | 5020203 The Blank Stare
Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:05 | 5020253 NoDebt
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The disinformation and counter-disinformation is too thick to wade through any more.  I trust neither side, nor our president.

I think I'm with Ron Paul- this would be another fantastic opportunity for us to butt the hell out.  Wanna go to war?  Fine.  But we're not doing it for you, we're not helping you do it and we're not supplying you the weapons to do it with.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:10 | 5020263 COSMOS
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No surprise here Lou Costello was a proud dual citizen with his second passport.  Why death to Iran, they are not the ones stealing land and bulldozing homes and olive groves day in and day out.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:08 | 5020311 One World Mafia
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"Stop it right now!" exclaimed Obama before adding, "Check for $3 Billion on its way.  Enjoy."

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:22 | 5020318 knukles
Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:30 | 5020361 nmewn
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What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:32 | 5020658 BigJim
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If you're a fan of Oded Yinon... nothing has, so far.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:13 | 5020840 nmewn
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Never heard of him before now, he's a journalist as far as I can tell.

Whats your point?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:10 | 5021040 New_Meat
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so-called "journalists" work for the NYT

have you seen their chart of their "B" shares?

- Ned

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:15 | 5021055 Drunk In Church
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Israel has the right to exist.  This site is filled with Jew-haters and atheists.  Repent, bitchez.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:47 | 5021173 gallistic
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You really can't help yourself can you?

Screw your stupid blog; go advertise somewhere else.

Oh yeah...and stop creating new fake identities.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:53 | 5021191 NidStyles
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The only thing holy about Israel is the trail of bodies they leave behind riddled with holes.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:22 | 5021319 Confused
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This is fake. The transcript uses too many buzzwords. Besides, thats a short convo. ;-P 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:41 | 5021354 TahoeBilly2012
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"fuck Jew!" "No FUCK JEW!" "you talking to me?" 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:10 | 5021459 Duffy Duck
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Ben Stein actually has an article out claiming/whining that the corporate MSM is "anti-Semitic".

The level of dishonesty and delusion amongst the Israel Firsters is breath-taking.

 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 05:58 | 5021611 BigJim
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Well, how often does the MSM not say that Israel has the right to slaughter anyone, man, woman, and child, regardless whether it's 'collateral' damage or not? The MSM keep insisting that Israel try to keep civilian casualties down... or... at the very least, give them some soothing platitudes that they can uncritically repeat.

That takes work on the part on guys like Regev. Regev has to be paid by Israeli* taxpayers, so that's some bad anti-Semitism, right there.

*US

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:57 | 5021676 hot sauce technician
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Calm down. You speak as if Jews in America are clandestinely working in cohesion to dismantle the very fabric of society. In fact your very accusation of delusion and dishonesty is in itself deluded and dishonest. Is the MSM's agenda not to promote mass abandonment of traditional values and moral codes associated with unique religious, ethnic, cultural and national affiliations? To promote a "brave new world"? Now, tell me, how does Israel fit into this agenda? After some examination, you'll realize that it's almost diametrically opposed to it! Israel is all about restoring a Commonwealth destroyed by pax romana 1800 years ago  based on practically biological criterion (matrilenial lineage). Yes, a fundamental precept of the old testament/rabbinical code is to uproot and demolish false gods, whether they be socialism, nationalism, capitalism, Jesus or Kim kardashian's ass. And that's the root cause of people's fatal mistake of attributing all seemingly man-made chaos to them. But to attribute to Zion manipulation of MSM is laughable, especially after you realize how incompetent its so-called leaders are.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:01 | 5021684 BigJim
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Wow. That's quite a logic salad you've prepared for us.

But maybe you should have stopped tossing all the leaves around a little sooner.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:27 | 5022447 my_nym
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Wrong.  Their historic and cultural attitude has often been one of dissolution and open borders for the goyim/tribes by whatever means available (capitalism/banking or communism...  financed by Jewish bankers) while maintaining themselves. 

 

For example, Marx's "Communist" or "liberal" rabbi was simultaneously a Zionist and Jewish nationalist:

  Hess’s task was to see that Judaics did not succumb to the new winds of reform and religious indifferentism with which Catholics and Protestants under the spell of Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, had fallen. This has been a perennial problem for Judaism: how to insulate their own nation from the liberal toxins which they themselves sow among the gentile nations. For Hess, the cardinal sin of the Judaic people was to abandon their heritage, while the cardinal objective of his Communism was to persuade all other people to abandon theirs. Forged in the crucible of the German Rhineland, where he was born into an Orthodox Judaic family, and at a period of time that marked the beginning of the Prussian reaction against the legacy of Napoleon, Hess approached this dilemma through the vehicle of his Zionism, the religious nationalism which embraces the Talmud not necessarily as a code for daily living, but as a totem of racial cohesion and a prophylactic against liberalism. Hess wrote: “Many who have emancipated themselves from dry orthodoxy have recently manifested in their studies a deepening conception of Judaism; and have thus brought about the banishment of that superficial rationalism which was the cause of a growing indifference to things Jewish and which finally led to a total severance from Judaism.” 1038 Hess termed as “nihilists” all liberal Judaics who sought to abolish the influence of the Talmud, which he regarded as the “fountain of life.” 1039 Hess endeavored to build a Hegelian-Kabbalistic bridge between the Judaic liberals and the rabbinic traditionalists: “The new seminaries, modeled after the Breslau school...ought to make it their aim to bridge the gap between the nihilism of the Reformers, who never learn anything, and the staunch conservatism of the Orthodox, who never forget anything.” The bridge consisted of Communist leadership for the reform-minded, and what came to be called modern Orthodoxy for the conservatives, with these two, seeming opposite tendencies, eventually reconciled, far in the future, in the racial patriotism that is Israeli Zionism. As Hess stated, “The pious Jew is above all a Jewish patriot. The ‘new’ Jew, who denies the existence of the Jewish nationality, is not only a deserter in the religious sense, but is also a traitor to his people, his race and even to his family.” 1040 In his early 1837 work, The Holy History of Mankind, Hess advocated an occult, Talmudic two-tier hierarchy of Adamic man (humans, i.e. “Jews”), contrasted with subhuman creatures, the Nephilim. “This tradition,” observes Hess, “leads toward a higher and clearer consciousness.” 1041 In 1841 Hess began to gain support from a wealthy clique of Rhineland capitalists. They appointed him the head of a leading masonic newspaper which they funded, the Rheinische Zeitung, in whose offices Hess made the acquaintance of Karl Marx, whose mentor he became and in whom he discerned messianic qualities. In a letter written before Marx had published anything, Hess predicted of him, “...he will give the final blow to all medieval religion and politics...Can you imagine Rousseau, Voltaire, Holbach, Lessing, Heine and Hegel combined..in one person? If you can — you have Dr. Marx.” ....

Though attributed to Marx and Friedrich Engels, Moses Hess himself wrote the first draft of The Communist Manifesto and sections of The German Ideology, which is officially said to have been written by Marx and Engels. Hess the Communist sought to extirpate the gentile’s connection to the land by weakening private property rights and in particular, the right to inherit land. In keeping with the conjunction of seeming opposites, in which Communism sometimes is bankrolled by predatory capitalists, Hess believed that the modernizing trends of “free trade” and commerce would contribute to Communism through the demise of property rights.
(Hoffman, Michael (2008-08-10). Judaism Discovered)

Understand Judaism and its role in the creation of secret societies for the dumb goy or you'll understand almost nothing these days.  Or most other days either.

 

America ought not to be makin’ war on Europe, and America knows it. I think it is time the American U.S. citizen studied Mr. Morgenthau’s treasury reports, whether or not he is out in front proclaiming the coming of Zion or not. I think it is time you opened Kipling’s memoirs “Something about myself.” I think it is time more American Masons developed a curiosity about the possible relations of their order to Jewry as such, and to at least a sect or portion or selection of ORGANIZED Jews as a possible enemy of mankind, and of the American people, the British people in particular.  .....

AGAIN, whatever your own press has been able to tell you, it is, or ought to be news, that Europe is interested in the question of Masonry. Nothin’ will come as a greater shock to America in general, but in particular to honest men who compose the greater part, numerically, of American Masonry, than the view held concernin’ that order in Europe.

An American said to me a short while back, “I’m a Mason, my wife is a Catholic, the kids goin’ to Catholic school, and a man would have to be pretty SMALL to let it (meaning his Masonry) interfere with his politics.” That, I believe, to be the attitude of 95% of American Masons.

No one in the United States will be more surprised at the talk of hook up between Masonry, its central control, Jewry, Anglo-Israel, and the British Intelligence Service [than will the rank and file of American Masons.] This is all NEW[S] to the rural American. Giraffe!! There ain’t no such animal.  ....

You’ll find out, brother. Interference with communications’ service. Rothschild, the stink of hell gittin’ hold of Austrian postal service and censorship in time of Napoleon. Hundred years after Austria is the dumbest, and LEAST mentally awake country in Europe, and FLOPS. France was awake, Rothschilds git into bank or stank of France in, I think, 1843. Inside a hundred years, France walks down her pirate Reynaud, and flops into the discard.

You’ll find out, brother, before or after the belly-flop. England is on the teeter. The central stink betrayed the United States in 1863. Keeping up the hostilities, keepin’ the rebels at it, divide et impera. Now the same bunch.... is doing [it] in England. NOT for the benefit of the American people.

Sassoons baboons, Rothschilds, etc. migrating to the United States and stinking up the whole country, in the wake of Zukor and the other fine flowers of Semite culture.  Ezra Pound

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:01 | 5021614 BigJim
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Oded Yinon? Probably the most influential geogtrategist - certainly for MENA - since the 1970's?

You surprise me, nmewn. Though if you had admitted to knowing about him and his recommendations, it would have made it harder for you to get away (unchallenged) with your pro-Israeli bias here.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:01 | 5021683 nmewn
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So influential in the 70's-80's that I had no idea who he was, ok, sure.

I'm left with the impression you want me to step off a cliff that has fog one foot below its lip and you are promising me the fog is covering a stable foot bridge...just one and a half feet down, that I can't see.

Be that as it may, its not hard to believe someone would be recommending sewing seeds of discontent within nations that had just attacked (and had been defeated by) Israel to keep them pre-occupied but of course, I haven't been given any proof of that or that the foot bridge you're telling me is there.

Are you asking me to have "faith" that your obvious anti-Israel bias is completely trustworthy and that is exactly whats happening and that the foot bridge really there?

It works both ways.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:39 | 5021701 BigJim
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The difference, nmewn, is that my anti-zionist 'bias' is explicit; your pro-Israeli bias is routinely denied, and hidden behind your attempts to divert attention away from Zionism's atrocities and onto how dreadful Islam is, and Muslims are... as if that's some kind of excuse for the atrocities Zionists have been committing since the mid 1940's... and, by some reckonings, long before. Or their incessant meddling in Western polities and hijacking our foreign policy, as well as stealing our hard earned wealth via grants given to them courtesy of compulsory taxation in OUR countries..

As for your bizarre analogy; stepping off a cliff onto a hidden bridge has possibly life-threatening consequences; asking you to spend 15 minutes researching an Israeli geostrategist's recommendations - and the people in various US administrations he is known to have influenced - carries no such threat.

But perhaps your analogy has some Freudian overtones, in that you see the maintenance of your cover here as a life and death matter. Is that the case?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:55 | 5021959 hot sauce technician
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Some anonymous geostrategist and groundless talk of "atrocities" won't change people's feelings about Israel. It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality. Interesting though that the Palestinian cause seems to have found its strongest supporters among Marxists, collectivist anarchists, jihadists and white supremacists. (Talk about bridging a human divide!)

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 09:55 | 5022234 BigJim
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 Some anonymous geostrategist and groundless talk of "atrocities" won't change people's feelings about Israel.

Look Hasbara, maybe in Hebrew someone can be called by his name 'Oded Yinon' and miraculously be 'anonymous' at the same time, but not in English. And Zionists' atrocities are well documented, from the birth of Israel (Deir Yassin & the King David Hotel bombing) to the present day; dropping white phosphorus on civilians, and using Palestinian children as human shields are just two examples of the vile behaviour Zionists think is fine to routinely visit upon the hapless native Goyim.

 Interesting though that the Palestinian cause seems to have found its strongest supporters among Marxists, collectivist anarchists...

You are a very confused man. Marxists? Collectivist anarchists? What do you think Kibbutz are an expression of?

... jihadists and white supremacists

Well, the jihadists are obvious... though, now that you mention it, Oded Yinon's apotheosis, ISIS, seem much more concerned with threatening and killing other Muslims, not helping them. As for white supremacists, they disdain all semites, from what I can tell. Oh? What's that? You didn't know Palestinians are semites too? In fact, they're usually more 'semitic' than most of the Zionists who reflexively bleat 'anti-semite, anti-semite' whenever they're criticised.

It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.

Thanks, I've got coffee all over my keyboard now, as well as dribbling out of my nostrils.

Please, please elaborate how a racial supremacist ideology that gives a bunch of Europeans - who may (or may not) have had a few ancestors in a country 1400 years ago - leave to terrorise, kill and expropriate that land from the people who have been tending, occupying, and living on it for scores of generations.

Give it your best shot. I'll go brew myself another coffee; this should be good!

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:50 | 5022536 my_nym
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It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.

 

The fuck??


Sephardi leader Yosef: Non-Jews exist to serve Jews

 

Ovadia Yosef and Benjamin Netanyahu

 

The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: 'Let us differentiate'. Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of 'let us differentiate' between totally different species.

This is what needs to be said about the body: The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world... The difference of the inner quality [of the body] is so great that the bodies would be considered as completely different species. This is the reason why there is an halachic difference in attitude about the bodies of non-Jews [as opposed to the bodies of Jews] 'their bodies are in vain'. An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.

We therefore ask: Why should a non-Jew be punished if he kills even a non-Jewish embryo while a Jew should not be punished even if he kills a Jewish embryo? The answer can be understood by [considering] the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews."
The Chabad-Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson. (Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky. (1999). Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel. Pluto Press, p.58-62)

Chabad Mafia

Chabad and Netanyahu

Israeli PM praises Chabad

 

After Schneerson's ["the goyim are Satanic"] death, a bill was introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives—sponsored by Congressman Charles Schumer and cosponsored by John Lewis, Newt Gingrich, and Jerry Lewis, as well as 220 other Congressmen—to posthumously bestow upon Schneerson the Congressional Gold Medal.

On November 2, 1994 the bill passed both Houses by unanimous consent, honoring Schneerson for his "outstanding and enduring contributions toward world education, morality, and acts of charity".[158

Interesting that no other tribal or supremacist groups have been awarded Congressional Gold Medals by Zionist scumbags like Charles "strangle the Palestinians" Chumer for their charitable work.

 

Apparenlty support for Jewish supremacy is the only thing that Congress can unanimously agree on these days.  They could give a medal to Donald "I'm not a racist, it's just my culture." Sterling if even the most dimwitted of the dumb goy wasn't catching on that even when Jews supposedly lead "civil rights" or Communist movments for equality among the goy, they might not actually be about to poop out rainbows on everyone from all the loooove and charity that they have in their good little (equal) hearts.

 


Wed, 07/30/2014 - 15:23 | 5023822 hot sauce technician
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You're clueless. The sum of your education on the region seems to have come off the internet. Won't waste my time engaging you in debate.

Just curious, are you also so knowledgeable about other regions of the world? What's your take on Kashmir? Rwanda? Darfur? Kurdistan? Falkland islands? Or just from some peculiar reason, is it Israel that's your "speciallty"? And by the way, kibbutzim comprise maybe 1 percent of the entire Israeli population. Plus for the past 20 years they're as capitalist as Adam Smith. A Troy ounce says that some consumer/capital good you've enjoyed, over the past year has either been developed or manufactured (in part ) in or by kibbutz or its members. And they aren't anarchists. They're middle of the road statists. (unfortunately)

Also, hasbara would imply that I'm under the employ of the government in Zion. That's quite amusing. I probably wouldn't even be able to get considered for an interview for entry level position as a clerk, but have it your way fool. 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 16:30 | 5024176 BigJim
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Hey look, Hasbara evades answering the question arising from his previously unsupported assertion:

It has, and has always had, support from good people around the world exactly because it's creation and continued existence is justified under the highest standards of human morality.

here, let me repeat my request:

Please, please elaborate how a racial supremacist ideology that gives a bunch of Europeans - who may (or may not) have had a few ancestors in a country 1400 years ago - leave to terrorise, kill and expropriate that land from the people who have been tending, occupying, and living on it for scores of generations.

C'mon, this should be easy for you, seeing as you've implied YOUR knowledge comes from living in 'the region'.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 18:48 | 5024809 nmewn
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You know what I've come to learn about you anti-Israel types? You are all conspiratorial nutcases, seriously, you're apparently by-polar, you need help.

"But perhaps your analogy has some Freudian overtones, in that you see the maintenance of your cover here as a life and death matter?"

Maintenance of my cover? A guy who works all day (that would be me) vs people who comment all day on ZH and froth at the mouth at the mere mention of Israel?

Really?

Ok because you're obviously the self professed brightest bulb in the box (having blown my cover...lol) tell me what exactly or who I am. And be specific, am I CIA, NSA, Mossad, a "private contractor"...what?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 05:32 | 5026435 BigJim
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 You know what I've come to learn about you anti-Israel types? You are all conspiratorial nutcases, seriously, you're apparently by-polar, you need help.

Yup, all those 'representatives' standing up and swearing eternal fealty to Israel... while supposedly working for the Western taxpayer. All the MSM bending over backwards to repeat Israeli propaganda unchallenged. All the aid that goes to Israel. The attack on the USS Liberty. All the other documented Israeli false-flags. Zionism having backers with deep, deep pockets and political sway for more than a century before the founding of Israel, and these same backers being behind the creation of the Fed. Yup, we made all that up, us Israel haters. You know what? Maybe we wouldn't hate Israel if it so clearly didn't hate us.

As for my Freudian jibe, you're the one using life and death analogies to exuse your deliberate ignorance. Why?

And what are you? A Christian Zionist, is my guess.

Which would be fine, if you just came out and said it.

You've already told us all you're a Christian, you're overt about that (and why shouldn't you be?). So just take the next step and declare you think the (alleged) descendents of people who left an area 1400 years ago, have a better claim to it than the Muslims - whom you clearly have a deep dislike for - who have been tending the land for scores of generations. And why? Because the Bible tells you so.

If that's your position, at least have the balls to come out and say it, instead of weaseling around every time someone calls you on it.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:34 | 5022472 my_nym
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...its not hard to believe someone would be recommending sewing seeds of discontent within nations that had just attacked (and had been defeated by) Israel to keep them pre-occupied...

 

Define "just attacked"... 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:42 | 5020423 kaiserhoff
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firing air to ground missiles from a Cessna...

Could the world be any more ass backwards?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:06 | 5020528 BurningFuld
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ISIS: aren't those the guys that are supposed to keep the rest of the Muslim world in fear and relying on Mother USA?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:14 | 5020563 nmewn
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#TheISISisLoose

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:11 | 5020545 Lore
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Re: "Russia clearly...openly defying not only the US, but Europe, and hence NATO."

Huh?  What did Russia do?  Russia stays on its own side of the fence, and we're supposed to blame them for that?  Who does this writer think installed the Nazist junta in the first place?  NATO seems a cesspit, like the EU. No wonder big players contemplate dropping out. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:12 | 5020556 disabledvet
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As with everything else "disabled vet reported it first" albeit from the safety of "that dude's couch" namely and I quote ME "the Secretary of State must have instructions first" meaning "simply sending the dude over to demand peace will cause war." And of course this is (incompetently) exactly what happened.

"Drop dead Israel" is coming direct from the White House not the SOS.

I say "impeachment is only a matter of time now." Great SOS, bottom line "wrong guy, wrong place, wrong time."   Sec Def now free to do "whatever" as total chaos is the alternative.  Meaning "de facto" chaos.  In short...unless and until Congress and Harry Reid decide otherwise Chuck Bagel is for all intents and purposes now AND GOING FORWARD President of the United States.

 

PERIOD.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:13 | 5020564 disabledvet
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Sorry...Hagel not Bagel. Google is trying to run the world too.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:14 | 5020842 Psquared
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What's even harder to understand is that the Iraqis think they don't have to fight a ground war to beat ISIS. Right, 5,000 Hellfire missiles will do the the trick. How about if they hire some generals who understand combat strategy.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:08 | 5022902 r0mulus
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im wary of press tv since they keep letting gordon duff write stuff for them. he should not be allowed near any newsroom that aims to have a reputation worth upholding.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:01 | 5020234 Againstthelie
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Excellent. Show the world your true face.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:55 | 5020477 kliguy38
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your true farce?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:15 | 5020571 disabledvet
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True farce actually. And "may the farce be with you too."

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:03 | 5020796 7.62x54r
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That old Planet of the Apes movie slams into my head at that ...

"I show my god my true face" as the mutants take their latex masks off before an armed cobalt bomb.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 09:42 | 5022226 Paveway IV
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Imagine Nettanyahu taking off his latex mask and saying "I show my god my true face" as he receives a new shipment of cobalt-nickel-tungsten metal Zyklon bombs from the USA. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:24 | 5020335 BigJim
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 You say that like its a bad thing.

Civilization will buy itself another 100 years if the Shiite entity is turned into a glass parking lot in the desert.

I havent forgotten 1979.  Death to Iran.

No, but you've clearly forgotten 1953, haven't you, psycho?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:46 | 5020436 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No, but you've clearly forgotten 1953, haven't you, psycho?

Now, now, don't go hurting DramaQueenDave's feelings. He's very sensitive, you know, a delicate flower.

 

And don't you dare mention Lake Mead or he'll give everyone the silent treatment for a week.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:47 | 5020446 nostromo17
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1953? What you addressing in particular if you don't mind my asking.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:20 | 5020599 BigJim
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Operation Ajax

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:23 | 5020620 Tall Tom
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TOO SUCCINCT!!!

 

I let him have it so that he knows that our wonderful CIA is a bunch of meddling, troublemaking assholes.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:34 | 5020671 BigJim
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Good work. I figured he'd google it if he were genuinely interested, though.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:10 | 5020827 wisefool
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Looking back, most of that Oil was used in the west for people to drive to cubicle farms and be "managed" by managers. The 2008 crash, GM, Solyndra, bailouts, Donald Trump going bankrupt every 5 years showed us that 70% of the "good" jobs just did not matter. Including the manufacturing jobs producing endless amounts of crap that falls apart in 3 years or less. GM now recalls more cars per year than it sells. I can't wait until they are recalling more autos than they produce. The 200 Billion Rumsfeld lost.

All that destabilization. All the death. All the trampling on the concept of liberty, much less democracy, so that people could  commute to work to file TPS reports 10 hours per day.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:09 | 5021036 Seek_Truth
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"Looking back..."

+100

You covered a lot of ground there, buddy!

And you nailed it!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:23 | 5021076 New_Meat
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u boyz haven't been around much, nor have u been ooout among real people much...

don't cha' know.

- Ned

(a lotta' country between dem "parenz" around de coastz}

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:43 | 5021154 wisefool
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Oh don't get me wrong. My grandparents farmed with mules.  Those were real people with real things. I understand the enormous energy inputs required to fertilize crops and run a modern 300HP tractor. But I also kinda laugh at the new "good ole' boys" driving $70,000, 8 MPG jacked up trucks 50 miles per day during the 45 weeks per year they are not farming. Usually to a desk job of some type.

Back to the original point, I remember seeing the movie "The Graduate." The reason oil based "plastics" was "the" industry to get into is because 99% of those products would need to be replaced in 3 years or less.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:28 | 5020607 Tall Tom
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The overthrow of a democratically elected leader of Iran by the CIA and the installation of the Shah Palavi of Iran.

 

He was a ruthless and brutal dictator over his people, casuing untold suffering, but friendly to the United States Oil Corporation's interests.

 

Gee...I just do not know why the Iranians would be pissed about that...

 

Well they were and they deposed the Shah and Khomeni took over. Then they seized the Embassy and took the occupant CIA Agents "hostage".

 

(They were actually "Prisoners of War" as the invasion was an overt act of war as they invaded sovereign US Territory. But Carter was too fucking weak to declare that a state of War existed.)

 

But as it developed we got our "hostages" back, tortured, after 444 Days because of a Backdoor Deal with former CIA Director, and, at the time, Vice Presidential Candidate George HW Bush.

 

But after we got the hostages back, we made a phone call to our buddy over in Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and asked that he invade Iran...which he subsequently did.

 

You can bet that made Iran really happy.

 

But that was okay because our CIA bought some Cocaine down in Columbia, sold it to the people as Crack Cocaine on the streets of East Los Angeles. Then the CIA took those profits, bought weapons and sold them to Iran, covertly arming them so that they could fight the Iraqis, who we were overtly supporting. Then the CIA, then, took the profits from that to arm the Contra Rebels who were fighting the democratically elected Government down in Nicaragua, who we wanted overthrown just like the one in Iran back in 1953, against the wishes of Congress.  

 

(That was called the Iran-Contra Scandal which Reagan actually did not know about because he was experiencing the beginnings of Alzheimers Disease...and George HW Bush was acting as President.)

 

We used Noriega in Panama to broker those Cocaine Deals with Columbia but he had a fucking big mouth. (How do you think Congress found out??)

 

Well George HW Bush was pretty pissed off about that so we set him up after George HW Bush was elected President. Then we had our US Navy Seals INVADE PANAMA and depose him.

 

That happened right before April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq, gave Saddam Hussein permission to invade Kuwait in July, 1990.

 

DO YOU GET THE FUCKING IDEA NOW???

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:37 | 5020682 BigJim
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Why is you be hatin on Merka?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:46 | 5020730 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AAGH! The truth! It burns! Make it stop!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:07 | 5020821 actionjacksonbrownie
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Wow... great post!

 

(now if I could just fit that on a bumber sticker...)

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:45 | 5021547 Perfecthedge
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Let me help you there Buddy, actually this is quite easy to do:

CIA = Assholes

Short and sweet and pretty much sums everything up!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:53 | 5020983 Yes_Questions
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yep

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:13 | 5021048 Seek_Truth
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Great summary, TT!

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:10 | 5021460 ebear
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Pretty good summary.

You left out the failed rescue mission (lots of grist for the conspiracy mill there)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

Hey, Ollie North and the Contras would have been a good name for a punk band, no?

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:28 | 5020646 swmnguy
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I believe they're referring to the 1953 US-sponsored coup that overthrew the elected government of Iran and installed the Shah, whose reign of brutal corruption inspired the anger and resentment against America that boiled over in 1979 when Iranians deposed the Shah, Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile in Paris, and the US gave asylum to the Shah and ignored Iran's demands that he be returned to stand trial for high crimes committed in office.

That's the part most people in the US like to forget.  But without that information, the seizure of the US Embassy and the whole "Death To America" thing doesn't make any sense.  Which is probably why it's so easy to tell Americans the Iranians are just crazy and hate us for our freedoms.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:56 | 5020770 Almost Solvent
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But we have freedom fries.

 

And Hoverounds with 64oz beverage holders. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:44 | 5020943 Clashfan
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And even that "revolution" was likely backed by surreptitious US forces for nefarious purposes.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:56 | 5022583 my_nym
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And even that "revolution" was likely backed by surreptitious US forces for nefarious purposes.

 

Unlikely.

 

But Argo was a good movie...

 

 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:38 | 5021730 Mesquite
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Not to mention that they (Iranians) have their own independant 'central bank'...

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:55 | 5022576 my_nym
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Operation Ajax

 

How long is the technique of controlling banking and media with inteligence agencies working for oligarchs going to work?

 

It seems like the internet is throwing some new wrinkles in it.

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:25 | 5020339 Iwanttoknow
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hey fucking POS,Death to israhole.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:32 | 5020378 tbd108
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Fifty odd years of the US and UK stealing all of the Iranian oil and murdering anyone who got in the way and you wonder why the ragheads don't like us? The Iranians may be assholes but you are an idiot (and an asshole).

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:52 | 5020463 kaiserhoff
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I think the New York Times style manual suggests "rugheads".

Carry on.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:01 | 5020509 tbd108
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Thanks for the tip!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:34 | 5020382 tsuki
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And the Persians have not forgotten 1953. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:46 | 5020441 r0mulus
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1953. Mossadegh. Operation AJAX. Dulles.

Research it before you embarass yourself any further.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:39 | 5020931 Duffy Duck
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Do you remember 1953?  How about 1992?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:25 | 5021483 where_is the_nuke
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Nuke Israel.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 19:57 | 5020199 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ah, Comte!  You might like this then.

From Article Seven...:

The Covenant Of The Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas

The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: 'The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.' (Recorded in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim)."

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:07 | 5020257 JLee2027
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The religion of Peace

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:13 | 5020282 DoChenRollingBearing
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In their own words.  It was time to post it.

Disclosure: neither Jewish/Zionist/Khazar nor Muslim

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:18 | 5020859 stacking12321
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religion of peace?

isn't that an oxymoron?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:15 | 5020290 nmewn
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lol...sounds like a perfectly normal caliphate to me ;-)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:30 | 5020363 Iwanttoknow
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You fuck southern christain zionist,go have sex with your mom,,

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:42 | 5020420 nmewn
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You seem very excitable, I fuck southern christain zionists? I don't even know who those would be.

Are you lost? You can find HuffPo or Demonocracy Now with Google ;-)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:29 | 5020643 BigJim
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Ah, yes, the religion of peace... that would be Judaism and Chritianity, would it not?

1Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroya all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’?”

No? How about this one?

22 Little by little he will drive out these nations as you advance. You will not be able to destroy them all at once, for, if you did, the number of wild animals would increase and be a threat to you. 23 The Lord will put your enemies in your power and make them panic until they are destroyed. 24 He will put their kings in your power. You will kill them, and they will be forgotten. No one will be able to stop you; you will destroy everyone.

And don't get me started on the Talmud, please.

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:54 | 5020767 Dolar in a vortex
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Welcome to the 21st century BJ.

;-)

That's some weak sauce you bring, everyone knows "islam is a religion of peace".

Here's one from Christianity, "You shall know them by their fruit".

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:53 | 5021509 Duffy Duck
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did that make sense to you when you wrote it?

If so - why?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:26 | 5021638 BigJim
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 Welcome to the 21st century BJ.

I see! So the hateful quote from the Koran (to which my Judeo-Christian counter-example was directed) was written in the 21st century, was it?

 Here's one from Christianity, "You shall know them by their fruit".

Wow! I like that one! Let's apply it to Zionists! Some of the 'fruit' by which we shall know them would be the subversion of our monetary systems, terrorism, slaughter, slow motion ethnic cleansing, and large-scale resource theft.

How's them fruit for you, Hasbara?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:34 | 5022774 my_nym
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You forgot false flags like the underwear bomber and 911 with Talmudists like Chertoff profiting off sending the goyim/cattle through the cattle gates in the background.

 

Random note from the past, on the fruit of the Talmud:

The process of buying the gold with dollars, thereby robbing the American people of THEIR purchasing power as well, was another ultimate flower in the Talmudic garden.

It is not, and has not been my purpose in these talks to speak of this war as an isolated phenomenon, a bit of meteorite fallen from some other planet.

My function is to arouse a little curiosity about a PROCESS. War is PART of a process. Some men would want to know what part of a process it is, and what process it is a part OF.

.......

if there is still some campus not yet invaded by the hosts of Belial and Jewry not wholly squashed under the dung-flow from Wall Street and Washington, I suggest you start taking notes and figures. Figure out this affair of the ruin of language, the falsification of all reports in the well paid magazines, the falsification of newsprint. And ALSO the attack on historic knowledge. The rise of TALMUDIC schools, quite UNNOTICED by the high class periodicals. Note when America began to be filled with talmudic schools, not listed and having big sign boards. Note when American history went out of fashion. When the kids in the lower grades heard of Lenin and Marx and Trotsky, and not so much of Lincoln and Washington. Watch the gradual creep up of obscurantism, the neglect, ab initio, from the start, of John Adams, Van Buren, and Johnson.

There ought to be 700 STUDENTS, and 30 professors, digging into this question, these questions. SOME DAY you will need to KNOW, need to know more than you do at present.

Lord knows what will come to you first.    Ezra Pound

 

As mind bendingly dumb and stupid as many goyim are, it's tempting to leave Jewish supremacists laughing all the way to... THE BANK.

But like Ezra Pound, of course I have to ramble on about the rotten fruit of cultures that have been cultivated based on the Talmud.  Is there any creature dumber than the Christian Zionist, who rejects the very teachings of the Rabbi that they claim to follow?  Perhaps only the supposed "atheist" who has accepted "order out of chaos" creation myths promulgated to them through Masonic networks, yet they still support secular versions of Jewish supremacy anyway.

Are people really this stupid and ignorant?

Probably.  If you are investing, then you'll probably need to invest in stupidity and ignorance and War Inc. Perhaps with Corrections Corporation of America and whatever security company Michael Chertoff creates on the side too.  The Israelis keep almost openly telling their dumb goyim golem of Team America:  "We won't outsource our own national security." (The fine print: Like you already did when you entrusted your national security to our Tribe Inc.)  Apparenlty what is good for the goy, isn't necessarily good for the Jews. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:39 | 5020932 nmewn
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Who is speaking...Samuel isn't it?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 02:50 | 5021432 JLee2027
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He forgot that part.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:52 | 5021506 Duffy Duck
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and you forgot Samuel was purportedly annointed by Yahweh, who later in the book we learn, isn't just one god of one particular group of tribes, but the only god.

The exhortations to violence, racism, and supremacism in the Old Testament/Torah are abundant.  Inane quips don't excuse you from using your internet connection to actually learn about them.

Jim makes a valid point.  Arguing that it wasn't yahweh/god actually saying it would make sense if....a god had in fact said any of it... fictional characters providing moral guidance, all of them, even when the character, as in Deuteronomy or Leviticus, which I guess you cunts never were forced to read [lucky you], is said to be god.

You forgot that part.

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ot_list.html   (good site)

also see: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html  (great site, focusing mainly on the fiction of the NT)

and:  http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/11/hate-non-jews...

best comment:

A Jew cannot be an Or l'Goyim, a light unto the nations, if he is demonizing them.

I find this attitude of Jewish superiority disgusting. While it is true, in my opinion, that Jews do have something uniquely special and can achieve spiritual heights not accessable to non-Jews, we still have to work harder than anyone else in order to achieve this potential. Ironically, our "specialness" requires us to be humble, not haughty.

 

Hence, with tis Talmudic magical thinking, and per the "supercessionism" entry at wiki - while the chosen people mythos is not racist, the notion that salvation through Christ, available to anybody, constitutes the new covenant, and new people of God, is racist, although it has nothing at all to do with race.

 

Got it?  :0}

Good.  Now, go back to thinking only the Koran has violence, and when someone finds easy to find evidence of violence and hate in Jewish texts, feel free to accuse them of hate.  For... pointing out the...hate.

 

 

~~~

selections from Talmud and yes, a small minority of orthodox jews reject it and adhere to the equally racialist, supremacist, bizarre and nonsensical Torah.

!!!

Gentiles are inclined to bestiality, lewdness and murder.  Gentiles prefer sexual relations with cows more than their own wives.  Eve had sexual intercourse with the serpent, transmitting lust to the gentiles, from which Israelites are exempt.  (BT Abodah Zarah 22a).

A gentile who observes a day of rest deserves death.  (BT Sandendrin 58b).

God is displeased when Jews show hospitality to gentiles.  (BT Sanhendrin 104a).

It is forbidden to teach gentiles the Law.  (BT Hagigah 13a).

A gentile who studies the Law deserves death.  (BT Sanhedrin 59a).

It is permissible to cheat a gentile in court.  (BT Baba Kamma 113a).

For executing a gentile, only one person’s testimony is necessary.  (To kill a Jew, two witnesses are necessary).  (BT Sanhendrin 57b0>

Jews may steal from Non-Jews

If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile it does not have to be returned.  (BT Baba Mezia 24a.  Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Property of gentiles is like the desert; whoever among the Jews gets there first, owns it.  (BT Baba Bathra 54b).

If a gentile loses something, a Jew may keep it, even if he knows the owner.  (BT Baba Kamma 113b).

A gentile must pay wages to a Jew, but a Jew does not have to pay wages to a gentile.  (BT Sanhedrin 57a).

The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.”  (BT Baba Kamma 37b).

If a gentile robs a Jew, he must pay him back.  But whatever a Jew robs from a gentile, the Jew may keep.  Some robbery of gentiles is disguised as “confiscation of an unpaid debt” (Bava Kama 113b; also Bava Metzia 111b).

BT Sanhedrin 52B: “A non-Jew is not considered a neighbor.”

If a gentile hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed (BT Sanhedrin 58b).

A gentile who strikes a Jew deserves death.  Striking a Jew is in God’s eyes an assault on the Divine Presence.  (BT Sanhedrin 58b).

All the blessings which gentiles enjoy come to them only because of God’s regard for Israel.  (BT Yebamoth 63a).

A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work  (BT Sanhedrin 57a).

If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite (non-Jew) there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is be in full.  (BT Baba Kamma 37b).

The deeds of Israel are righteous, but the gentiles are capable only of sin.  (BT Baba Bathra 10b).

Wine touched by a gentile renders has been defiled and is unfit for use by Jews.  (BT Abodah Zarah 72b).  Thieves of unknown ethnic background broke into a Jew’s building and touched his wine.  Since he did not know who touched the wine, he way unsure whether or not it had been defiled by a gentile’s touch.  The rabbis rule that since the majority of thieves in that city were Jews, the wine was undefiled.  (BT Abodah Zarah 70a).

Abodah Zarah 17a states that there is not a whore in the whole world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a declares that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell (BT Erubin 21b).

A sly rabbi debates God and through trickery defeats Him.  God admits the rabbi won the debate.  (BT Baba Mezia 59b).

 

 

 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:19 | 5021633 BigJim
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Dude, you smoked 'em; far better than I could, I must add.

Having said that... isn't a lot of the Talmud just a recording of debates between famous rabbis, arguing over how to interpret the Torah? And that if you read the whole passage from which any of these vile quotes are extracted, you may find the rabbinical consensus is considerably less toxic?

Like most people, I haven't read the Talmud - the fucking thing is 6200 pages of centuries of dense, Judaic nitpicking - but I suppose it's time I at least go and read a few of the passages from which the more appalling of the above quotes have been extracted... just to be sure I'm not slandering it.

What did Twain say? The problem is not the stuff you don't know; the problem is the stuff you think you know that just ain't so :-)

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:56 | 5022866 my_nym
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Having said that... isn't a lot of the Talmud just a recording of debates between famous rabbis, arguing over how to interpret the Torah?

What the dim-witted gentiles with their debating society fable don’t know is that only those rabbis who participated in the realtime Halachic debates of the ancient Babylonian academies were considered the lords of rabbinic tradition (Baalei Mesora). Once the debate is reduced to writing, the ebb and flow of exchange is frozen and the opportunity to overthrow the traditional majority consensus and precedent is gone forever. Even God is subservient to them. The rulings of the Mishna and the Talmud as decided by the subsequent consensus of Chazal through their supernatural power of siyata dishmaya124 as expressed in the authoritative codifications such as the Shulchan Aruch, Mishneh Berurah etc., are binding legal precedents. Modern rabbinic opinions inconsistent with this Talmudic and Kabbalistic canon are void. There is no authentic debate about the gentiles having no souls, (though there may be a bogus one rigged for gentile consumption where and when necessary, as the situation requires). That gentiles do not have souls is the fixed sacred law and dogma of Gedolei Yisroel. How the law that gentiles have no souls is applied is certainly subject to discussion and contestation in the Mishneh Torah, Kesef Mishneh and a thousand lesser texts. The law itself is incontestable. When Judaics point to debates about how halacha is to be interpreted as evidence that the halacha itself is being debated, they are playing a cruel prank on their goyische dupes, which behind the scenes is the subject of much mirth.

Hoffman, Michael (2008-08-10). Judaism Discovered

 

And that if you read the whole passage from which any of these vile quotes are extracted, you may find the rabbinical consensus is considerably less toxic?

 

Well, sure... it all tends to vary based on the perceived interests of the tribe at any given time. But when they begin to be in power, then note the fruits of cultures that have been cultivated based on the Talmud.  It's humorous to see Zionists point to Islamists and say, "They say peace, peace... but look what they do when the tipping point is reached and they achieve power over the dhimmi and the kuffar!" 

Indeed.  But what do you usually do when you achieve power of the goyim?  You won't terrorize them in your interests and for false profits with false flags, will you?  And what about Purim... you wouldn't celebrate the preemptive murder of perceived enemies of your tribe, would you?  Etc.

In any event, translations tend to vary sometimes when it comes to the interests of the tribe.... just ask Sibel Edmonds about 911.

Ramble, what I find interesting about it all is that almost everyone finds it necessary to refer to natural law or an external Logos to things these days and they usually use that to interpret their texts.  Or play pretend that their text matches an external standard better than some other one.  Apparently when it comes down to it, whatever moral sense or sense of karma people have is not in Talmudic or Islamic or Biblical texts per se.  Whatever it is that we're all sensing and in some cases perverting through a process of rationalization about right and wrong (That itself probably shouldn't exist if everything is essentially senseless in the end.), we seem to be sensing that it is external to texts anyway. 

Maybe that's why Jesus never wrote anything down.  

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 04:07 | 5021517 Duffy Duck
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I didn't appreciate your insights into the OT.

Who's speaking here - I can't tell:

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-Chapter-12/

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-Chapter-13/

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-14-2/

The Devil, right? 

Surely, it is according to the gnostics, who had access to more such texts than do we.  They may have been onto something.  Weirdly, gnostic ideas are embedded within the recent "Noah" movie.

kidding aside - kinda cool.  I didn't realize who the director and writer were, thought it was bait for the morons...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/01/theologian-blasts-chri...

To steal Anthony Jeselnik's line - I'm an atheist {agnostic, actually}...I don't have some great story behind it, I'm just, you know - reasonable.

 

I'd pile on the Koran, but, what's the fucking point really?  That's not what people like you need learnin' about, wot?

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:08 | 5022903 my_nym
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Surely, it is according to the gnostics, who had access to more such texts than do we.  They may have been onto something.  Weirdly, gnostic ideas are embedded within the recent "Noah" movie.

 

Not weirdly at all.  Hollywood is shaped by Jewish culture, which itself is shaped by the Talmud and Kaballah.   It would be weird if the supposed "magick" of the ethnic networks formed by the Cabal Inc. and hatred for Jesus, an elitist mentality and so on and so forth didn't seep through.

 

"Atheists."

Perhaps.

Or not.  Does it matter? Did it matter for the Jewish Bolsheviks that vented their hatred and fear in the Holodomor?  And why isn't the Holodomor allowed to be framed with rabbinic teachings about human holocausts/sacrifice, sacred six numbers and so on by these supposed """"atheists""""" if they have fully rejected their utterly backward, regressive culture of hatred and fear of the goyim?

 

Most atheists, authentic or not, still seem to be Jewish supremacists...  just look at Richard Dawkins.  Apparently even if there is no God and Jesus was mythological, the Jews are still the "chosen" collectively as a tribe or a race in some way.  Well, if you're into Masonic "order out of chaos" creation myths in which your brain events are naturally "selected" to emerge and evolve from a void of ignorance and blind processes which can't actually select anything. 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:59 | 5021674 BigJim
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 Who is speaking...Samuel isn't it?

You're not bad at this, nmewn, but, because you have a hidden agenda, you're clearly finding it increasingly hard to cover your tracks the longer this Gaza business stirs any debate concerning Israel's actions. It must be tricky for you... do you weigh in every time someone criticises Israel, and risk exposure, (but allow the comments go unchallenged)... or do you do your best to move the topic to how execrable Muslims are... as if that's some kind of excuse for all the atrocities Zionists have and are committing, aided and abetted by 'our' money and political sway?

Your 'rebuttal' would work if Samuel - who at the time of speaking was supposed to be conveying God's word - was later disowned by God for being a false Prophet. But he wasn't, was he? And more to the point - you know this already.

So in Jewish (and thereby, Christian) lore, his words carry the same weight as Muhammad's do for a Muslim.

But as I said - you know this already. So your post shows you to be a sophist, and the fact you repeatedly deny being pro-Israeli means you're a shill to boot.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:00 | 5020782 Iwanttoknow
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I don't read Huffpo.You should read your christian zionist post there.They like it better.I & others have read your posts.Blatantly pro-israel.Go post on Haaretz,Jerusalem post etc.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:27 | 5021091 New_Meat
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duuuuuuuuude, if u want to know, then u need to reverse your evident anal-cranial inversion.  That will ease the pain and then, after u have wiped the shit off of your eyes, u can look abooot and see something that might help.

Helpfully, I am your,

- Ned

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:25 | 5020336 Jackagain
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First the Saturady people...then the Sunday people, then the rest of the infidels...that's their full charter. Then they will kill each other....

http://weaselzippers.us/194618-pakistani-mob-kills-ahmadi-grandmother-two-young-girls-after-accusing-them-of-blasphemous-facebook-post/

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:35 | 5020387 nmewn
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Perfectly normal people.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:47 | 5020953 Clashfan
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Gee, more wisdom from a 911 truth denier, and spattered all over this thread. Aren't we lucky.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:15 | 5020497 HamFistedIdiot
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Tired of these culture wars. What about Christianity's inquisition, witch burnings, conquest of native peoples, etc? Who will throw the first stone? It's the fucking ZIONISTS who founded Hamas in the 70s; it's the ZIONISTS who funded the mujahadin and started Al Qaeda back in the early 80s; it's the ZIONISTS who fund and provide weapons and cover to ISIS; it's the ZIONISTS who are behind the fractional reserve fiat currency system that is sucking the planet dry. It's the supposed CHRISTIANS who are behind GMO, tainted vaccines, aerosol geoengineering with nano aluminum, and water fluoridation using an industrial waste fluoride source. Shit, the Nazis were fucking Christians. Circumcision of boys is a barbaric Christian tradition. Should I be happy about my mutilated penis, the product of enlightened "Christian" religious values?

The bottom line is, Western interests are funding the worst and most extreme religious groups on the planet in order to destablize everything. Moderate governments that try to do the right thing (and not be complete Western corporate pawns) are overthrown. So you get this backwater shit rising up all over the planet because the Satanic death cult ZIONISTS want it that way. I can quote shit from the Bible that is just as dark and twisted as anything the Quran serves up, if you need reminders of the skeletons in the Pope's closet.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:20 | 5020586 Lore
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Tell us what you really feel. 

Seriously, I share your annoyance. Everybody is acculturated to focus blame and hate at the groups to left and right of them, failing to stop and look UP.  If you want to see through propaganda these days, turn on the TV news and ask yourself continually if blame is really being placed where it belongs. It's a good way to keep perspective. The BS is so thick it's next to impossible for the average zombie to figure out which way is UP.  Things are not going to improve until power is taken away from purveyors of BS.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:40 | 5020686 nmewn
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Leaving you to ruminate about your mutilated penis aside for the moment, the thing is, Christians don't burn witches anymore.

In the immortal words of some half wit inside the Obama administration "Dude! That was like, over two years ago." We have moved on.

However, for some unexplained reason, Muslims spontaneoulsy combust inside crowds (when they're not raping female reporters IN CROWDS in Tahrir Square) taking non-Muslims (and Muslims) with them. It really cuts down on the vibe the rest of the world gets from them, if you know what I mean.

Returning to your "unfortunate circumcision", I suppose we can expect the 90% of Egyptian women who have had their clits removed to "rally" to your cause? ;-)

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:01 | 5020758 HamFistedIdiot
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Go ahead and be cute if that suits you. I've seen videos from the 1960s of women in Afghanistan with long hair, no burkhas, holding jobs, etc. What happened? Western imperialism happened. We found a weakness in Islam and exploited it to our short term benefit. The Zionists want Islam to destroy Israel. That's part of what is required to bring about the Death Cult's NWO. We're all being played. Go ahead and hate Islam if you want to. Good luck with eradicating 1.5 billion of them. Where's your venom for the Chinese? Mao killed 80 million of his own, much worse than any Islamic whacko ever did. What about all the footbinding in China, every bit as barbarous as clitarectomy imo?But it's Islam's overlooking Jesus, isn't that your real issue? Another war over whose God somebody worships? Fuck off, I won't support your holy war against Islam. I want minimal government, minimal taxation, secure borders, clean air and water, and yes, I want the Church to stay away from my dick. :)

Islam doesn't allow userers that engage in fractional reserve lending. But picture 1.5 billion Muslims setting up something like the Rothschild's Bank of England, taking their trillions of fiat $ to support radical Xtians in the US. You'd have multi-billion dollar endowments for the God Hates Fags brigade, folks who bomb abortion clinics, etc etc. What I mean is, if the "enemy" supported the wrong groups in the US, giving them unlimited funding, we could look a lot more barbaric than we do.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:29 | 5021325 sylviasays
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HamFistedidiot, your Muslim master wants you to STFU and get back into your burka. Another thing bitch, remember to walk 10 step behind your Muslim master! 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 03:26 | 5021484 where_is the_nuke
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Hasbara zio queer. go suck dick motherfu cker. Filthy kike.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:01 | 5020792 Iwanttoknow
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Fuck off,you are a christian zionist.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:27 | 5021332 sylviasays
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You fuckoff, you are a Obamaclone in mom jeans. 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 08:22 | 5021826 sleigher
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Sorry but the christians still do it too.  http://iclcj.com/?p=375

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:40 | 5020937 Duffy Duck
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Revolting, assuredly.

Now do Likud's platform, or Shas', or something from Deuteronomy or Joshua.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:01 | 5020231 Escrava Isaura
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Comte de Saint ...,

What are you smoking?

C'mon! Israel has over 100 nukes.

Iran never invades anyone. Their last Empire was hundreds of years BC.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:03 | 5020241 COSMOS
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Dude you really are annoying.  Stop posting more than ten times per story.  I am getting to the point where I dream of doing some stuff to you.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:16 | 5020293 HamFistedIdiot
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It's a bot.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:07 | 5020481 AssFire
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Thank You COSMOS,

I have been wanting to state the same of "it's" poorly contrived drivel; whether it is a Michael Jackson or Yoko Ono avatar- I don't care.

As Ham stated, it might as well be a bot.  We can junk it, like we did to those with "credentials"- like Leo and his "solars". We have run lesser losers quicker than this Escrava Isaura POS. The sarc button should be on for most of it's posts but more often there is just this: "............." for a retracted comment. Leave, Escrava Isaura you are NOT welcome at fight club.

 

 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:29 | 5020645 Escrava Isaura
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AssFire,

Whatever!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:35 | 5020669 Escrava Isaura
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HF Idiot,

Are you talking to me? I don't see anybody else here? Do you?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:43 | 5020714 HamFistedIdiot
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LOL. I find you unstable. The commenters at ZeroHedge can only provide limited therapeutic support. :)

I agree with some folks here that your posts are excessive and sometimes derail the conversation. That's why I wondered if you were a new kind of Cass Sunstein bot mean to disrupt viewpoints opposing Washington's. But you seem to have a few good ideas, even as you weave in and out of coherence. 

Best wishes to you, and keep sharp!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:49 | 5020744 Escrava Isaura
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HamFistedIdiot,

Thanks!

I will try to follow your advice, stably.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:00 | 5020789 Dolar in a vortex
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You find the bot unstable?

You, who were just moments ago publically lamenting your mutilated male member?

Only half kidding, I'm just happy to see your anger recede.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 23:24 | 5021077 HamFistedIdiot
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Hey, are you circumcised? I need a support group for this. :) 

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 01:35 | 5021337 sylviasays
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HamFistedIdiot needs to belong to the castrated gaymafia support group. 

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:19 | 5020309 NuckingFuts
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You have that dream too? I thought I was the only one.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:30 | 5020655 Escrava Isaura
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Who are you?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:38 | 5020402 Colonel Klink
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Name change to Excrementasauras

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:30 | 5020648 Escrava Isaura
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Colonel Klink,

Your nonsense never ceases to amuse me!

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:59 | 5020784 Colonel Klink
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Thanks, very kind of you.  I hope to continue to amuse you.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:03 | 5020797 Escrava Isaura
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Please, don't ever change. It would spoil the fun.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:02 | 5020233 COSMOS
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What a bunch of BS, just a 'leak' done on purpose.  To make Obama looks like he wants the fighting to stop and Israel to pull back.  Meanwhile nutty keeps calling them terrorists and violators of cease fires without mentioning how day in and out they are stealing more Pali land and destroying homes and olive groves.  BUNCH OF BS

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:04 | 5020243 Escrava Isaura
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Cosmos,

But somebody still has to win the BS.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:13 | 5020277 COSMOS
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Pretty astute comment Isaura, maybe you are turning the corner.  Stop being a sock puppet Isaura, you are better than this, maybe a traveling children's puppet show.  Why let these Tylers move your lips for you, you can be so much more when you speak for yourself.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:36 | 5020392 Escrava Isaura
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COSMOS,

Let’s get the nouns right:

Not a sock puppet... A pragmatist.


Tue, 07/29/2014 - 20:52 | 5020462 JLee2027
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The promised land belongs to Israel, not the Muslim hoard.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:24 | 5020625 Lore
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When will humanity finally, finally see how long and how deeply they've been PLAYED by organized religion?

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 21:37 | 5020681 Escrava Isaura
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Lore,

They are too stupid to see that.

But, nice try.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 22:04 | 5020802 Oldwood
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When it really comes down to it, religion is just another belief "system". Yes it is organized and well established but it still relies on strongly held beliefs, much like those held by most posters here. Few are interested in others opinions, only the reinforcement of their own.

Fight club, the home of strongly held beliefs, and many like the religions of old and not so old, believe the only remedy is death or expulsion of those who disagree. Of course the obvious thing for us is to always side with the loser, the underdog, as they are the only ones "pure"enough to deserve our inspired defense.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/7s/why_support_the_underdog/

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 02:43 | 5021423 JLee2027
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Not really.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:00 | 5021601 Lore
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That seems trivially false, at least for most posters. Collectives have their place, but need firm limits. ZHers generally want hard truth.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 02:41 | 5021421 JLee2027
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I'm not talking about organized religion.

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