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"US Will Feel Tangible Losses," Russia Prepares To Unleash Retaliatory Trade Wars
"It's a troubling continuation/expansion of trade as a geopolitical tool," warns one Washington-based consulting firm as Russia prepares to unleash retaliatory actions to US and European sanctions. As Bloomberg reports, Russia said yesterday it may ban imports of chicken from the U.S. and fruit from Europe and is investigating McDonald's cheese for safety. In addition, a Russian lawmaker has drafted legislation that might result in U.S. accounting firms being barred from doing business in his country. All of this is odd given Jack "trust me" Lew's reassurance that Russian sanctions would have no impact on the US economy. Russia's response, US will feel 'tangible losses' from 'destructive, myopic' sanctions.
As Bloomberg reports, while Russia and the U.S. have long sparred over agricultural trade, the actions fueled speculation they could be retaliatory.
Russia’s food safety agency said it may ban imports of U.S. poultry and some European fruit due to contamination of the products, according Bloomberg BNA, citing Russian state media. The food safety agency, known as Rosselkhoznadzor, also said it will examine suppliers of McDonald’s cheese for their use of antibiotics.
Russia was the second-largest market, after Mexico, for U.S. chicken last year, according to the USA Poultry & Egg Export Council. The U.S. exported about $309 million worth of broiler chickens to Russia last year, according to the council.
Russia, which joined the World Trade Organization in 2012, is considering banning some European fruit that includes seeds and pits from the entire EU or from bloc’s individual member countries, said Alexei Alekseenko, an aide to Rosselkhoznadzor director Sergei Dankvert, BNA reported.
Fruit shipments from the EU have recently contained Oriental fruit moths, he said, according to the Russian news agency RIA. He proposed talks with EU suppliers over the issue.
Seems like that would impact the US and European economy...
“This is not a surprise,” Mike Cockrell, chief financial officer at Sanderson Farms Inc. (SAFM) of Laurel, Mississippi, said by phone. “It’s not unusual for Russia to find something wrong when they have a political reason to do so.”
Officials from McDonald’s, based in Oak Brook, Illinois, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Russia explained these are not anti-US sanctions...
“These are not sanctions against U.S. We don’t have a goal to harm U.S. citizens’ quality of life,” Fedorov said. “There are companies in Russia which have sensitive positions in terms of Russia’s sovereignty and economic security.”
Fedorov said consulting firms and audit firms will be the first to be targeted by the new bill. Next will be U.S. media, he said.
And Russia issued a statement that US will feel 'tangible losses' from 'destructive, myopic' sanctions.
We have repeatedly spoken about the illegitimacy and groundlessness of the US sanctions against Russia. Washington will gain nothing from such decisions except for further complication of Russian-American relations and the creation of an unfavorable atmosphere in international affairs, where the cooperation between our countries often plays a key role.
The U.S. administration, strained creating the appearance of "sequence" in its current behavior, in fact, is merely trying to avoid responsibility for the tragic developments in Ukraine. Not Russia, and Kiev regime and its overseas patrons guilty of a growing number of civilian casualties in the eastern regions. In his pompous manner prosecutorial White House, covering the bloody military operation of Kiev, which contrary to all international norms sunk to rocket attacks peaceful cities, continues to put forward baseless claims against us.
One gets the impression that the U.S. sanctions pressure, transformed now at sectoral level, has one goal - to get even with us for an independent and uncomfortable for Washington politics. Please also note the obvious elements of unscrupulous trade and economic competition in the U.S. actions.
The losses that Washington will sustain from such a destructive and myopic policy will be very tangible
US officials are not happy...
“Assuming that they take this action, it would be blatant protectionism,” Clayton Yeutter, a U.S. Trade Representative under President Ronald Reagan, said in a phone interview. “There is little or no legitimacy to their complaints.”
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Putin warned of boomerangs... and sure enough here they come...
- *EU ENERGY SANCTIONS `IRRESPONSIBLE' STEP, RUSSIA SAYS
- *EU ENERGY SANCTIONS TO CAUSE PRICE INCREASE IN EUROPE: RUSSIA
- *RUSSIA TO WEIGH `UNCONSTRUCTIVE' EU ATTITUDE IN FUTURE TIES
- *EU BANKS WORKING IN RUSSIA MKT TO SUFFER FROM SANCTIONS: RUSSIA
And France is screwed...
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday that Russia has the capability to build Mistral-class helicopter carriers on its own if France cancels the existing contract, RIA Novosti reported. “The French must prove they are serious partners and reliable contractors,” Rogozin said after a meeting between President Vladimir Putin and government ministers.
“If they fail to do so, we will build the [Mistral] ships on our own. We are finally capable to do it,” Rogozin said. On Monday, he expressed doubts that France would cancel the contract, which he said would be worse for France than for Russia.
And it seems Russia is not as isolated as President Obama would like everyone to think...
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The only ones that really pay are the commoners of both sides.
Indeed. How will the Russian commoner survive without cheeseburgers? Guys, I think this is getting serious.
I love being Obama's economic human shield
Hard to be a shield when everyone around Obamao has been shot in the foot.
Russia shouldn't worry about sanctions, given the US gov't level of incompetence, they will figure out a way to screw this up too.
Really? Then read this http://en.apa.az/news/214045 (posted by DCH 5022461 up above).
The NWO never thinks or moves only one move ahead, as many readers seem to think. And don't ignore Rules #1 and #2 in The Art of War, as you seem to.
Time to set up my still again. Not quite Stolichnaya, but the cost is proper.
I think Europe should label American food imports.
GMO food is forbidden here but I don't think they can be trusted.
They used the NSA taps of pederasty among politics to get the EU to permit GM feed for animals.....France and Russia have been fighting this. Brazil is the only source of non-GM soya
GMO is forbidden, that's a good one... regardless of ingredients the food isn't GMO-free unless all the inputs along all the supply chains are GMO free. I think when I go the store in 10 minutes I'll check ans see if I can find Purina Chock Full o' GMO Pet Food.
DuPont data fraud
Perhaps even more troubling is a fact pointed out by Seralini and colleagues in a letter to the editor of FCT: The DuPont study actually fed GM food contaminated with herbicides to both groups of rats in the study. Therefore, the finding of "no health differences" provides no useful information.
Seralini's team conducted an independent analysis of the Purina brand rat chow used as the standard diet in the DuPont study. The researchers found that the feed was actually composed of 18 percent NK603 GM corn -- the same variety tested in the Seralini study, and engineered for the same trait as the Roundup Ready canola that the DuPont researchers were testing. In addition, the rat chow contained 14.9 percent GM "Bt" corn, which is engineered to produce a pesticide in its tissues. The chow was also contaminated with the herbicide Roundup (glyphosate), as well as the glyphosate metabolite AMPA.
http://www.naturalnews.com/046224_GMOs_DuPont_study_scientific_fraud.htm...
diabetic pets, including organ failures, very profit-able for the veterinary club-meds.
as for "human" so for the animals they keep.
degraded, branded, dying. . .
We switched to Diamond pet foods, as all of our dogs/cats were getting obese while starving for nutrition. Even though it's pricey, we have to feed them a lot less, so in the end, it's about the same, if not less.
Oh, and the dog shit is no longer green.
We don't buy pet food anymore. We switched to leftovers from the local Mexican restaurant. They scrape the plates into a five gallon bucket and give it to us for free. Our dogs and chickens have never been healthier or happier.
Our cat works for a living.
It's either a young small mouser, or the rodent got too many free passes into your grain storage [and got a bit fat]. Might need to increase the feline population.
When all the obese, single, militant women cat owners unfailingly associated with the local cat rescue push their agenda to spay and neuter cats, to address the supposed over population of cats, I suggest they simply stop buying cat food, and put their cats on a true paleo diet. Let nature work. The veterinarians doing the surgeries and the cat food manufactures disagree with me...of course.
Indeed.
I always laugh when I hear the 'we-must-kill/neuter-cats-dogs-or-disaster' false dichotomy.
One may speculate that it is pushed by the same people who don't understand supply-demand laws of economics.
it's good to keep up-to-date on all the recalls, corporate pet food "consolidation" of companies, and where the foods are manufactured - recipes are changing often, and "lesser" ingredients substituted each time. . .
this link shows some recalls for Diamond - not picking on the product, the website shows a better quality than most "supermarket" store-bought foods.
in the end I've realised that all animals need to eat as much "real food" as possible, so I just make my own food batches, as they are my responsibility & my companions, and while our cats source most of their own food prey, it's good to have some "extra" to hand. this is a good link to cat foods investigated, with recipes, etc. dogs are different and can eat many foods, but cats are obligate carnivores, so all that "grain 'n' fruit" labeling nonsense, designed for the consumer-tastes trained
is why the incidence of feline diabetes is sadly so high.
best wishes for keeping all your family healthy.
I get 50 lbs of rice and get the trimmings and bones from the locaL butcher and cook them up together and that feeds the rottwieller for quite some time for about 2 months so $45 for the rice and $10 for a lot of trimmings about 30lbs , $30 bucks a month to feed a very healthy dog.
So your pet becomes diabetic and the owners do not think that it could posibly be the shit they are feeding it , no just give the poor fuck insulin.
What German companies must do is invoice exports via Turkey or Hong Kong or South Africa or India or Brazil. As for Russia it should build a major banking hub with China in Hong Kong and cut off titanium exports to Boeing.
In fact Moscow Narodny Bank created the Eurobond Market when it thought the US might confiscate dollars so it could now develop the Eurasian Bond Market and build a capability. Europe is not going to waste money on weapons and arms build up - so the US can carry that load alone......in fact Western Europe should cut defence budgets and let the US pay the bills in Europe.......Britain has two aircraft carriers the US could buy since the US is unable to produce any fixed wing aircraft for them
The US still thinks it is the only superpower and can do as it wants.
I believe 2014 wll change that attitiude.
The US still thinks it is the only superpower and can do as it wants.
I believe 2014 wll change that attitiude.
The US is 'exceptional' much as an autistic child is 'exceptional' but not as 'exceptional' as Israel which is 'wildly exceptional"
the "US" plays its global scripted role.
anyone who believes otherwise might do some
deeper re-search, sooner rather than later. . .
America acts as mercenaries for the City of London and Rome.
You're half right (with London): Take that London-Rome general direction, and extrapolate it to the end of the eastern Mediterranean.
Mazeltov!
Lavrov has just poropsed the UNSC to adopt a resolution to allow peacekeepers to MH17 site
Doont worry the US will 5% GDP growth figure from somewhere.
so it is called "Sanctions" on a whim when US does it to Russia and evil "Protectionism" when Russia does it
Double-speak. Another fine Madmen idea.
More food for those SNAP babies in the U.S.S.A.? I guess the real question is who do you want to be walled in with?
Without South Stream southern Europe faces a tough time......might get very explosive inside the EU
Hee hee....
Remember a few months back when Russia "investigated" Lithuanian cheese and dairy products, and banned them?
Well, it lasted a couple of weeks, anyways, before everyone and their brother laughed at them and their "testing", and now they import more than before.
As far as fruit goes, Russia doesn't really need it... they can always buy apples from Poland, until EU export tariffs rise. Heck, they can buy all the oranges they need from Poland, too.
The russians are better suited to play the protectionism game, or as I like to call it the "Hey if you want to keep your soviernty don't be dependent on foriegn nations to feed your people or heat your homes Game".
I can't speak for Europe.
But here in the US most of the fields are planted with corn. The corn is not for eating. It is for making ethanol.
Also, tree-growing is more subsidized than food production.
If you have farmland to use as a rentier asset, and don't want to have to spend on farm machinery, the simplest thing to do is to grow trees. Logging companies will harvest them every five years - which is enough to pay taxes and mortgage. And the Gov't will pay them to replant the trees to, you know, "stop global warming".
The problem with the mass of urbanites is that they don't know anything about the real world - the one that exists apart from human society.
When I see silly retaliation like investigating cheese on a hamburger, it makes me skeptical of what's really going on. My mind keeps going back to something Madeline Albright said, when she bemoaned the fact that the US was the world's only superpower. Suggesting that the US needed a boogie man to keep its power in check, or more than likely keep its citizens distracted. It makes me wonder sometimes if this is all a big act by all people involved, or Putin is really a thorn in their side and they are doing everything in their power to either make him conform to the NWO or get rid of him.
The US and Russia need each other and a third boogie-man to keep things interesting. Kinda like a pair of lesbians who sqabble over who has to take a man so they can have a child.
They use IVF in most cases, but use hetero Surrogates in some cases.
The Fem gets to be the Surrogate for the Butch in lesbian couples.
Sounds like you may have a side job.
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"big act" sure looks like the obvious choice, if one doesn't want to choose sides to "defend" - which will eventually lead to the same conclusion, merely delaying the realisation until the mind feels secure enough to
admit the truth.
I don't think the push for Russian resources is playing very much. They were very close to having them in hand until Kordokovsky was jailed and Beresovsky had to flee.
These guys are not playing either.
http://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-judeo-russian-mafia-and-the-bloodbath-to...
Or Putin simply knows better than his predecessors how to play the US. He warns of investigating MacDonald's cheese suppliers for antibiotics and blocking chicken shipments and our industry goes crying to our politicians saying "stop the sanctions, it's going to kill our business!" Then the soccer moms say, "Antibiotics? What have I been feeding my babies? That's got to stop!" And while we're all yelling at ourselves, he laughs and goes right back to his expansionism.
keep citizens distracted... or keep consumers shopping? actually, keeping consumers shopping - never mind the debts - is the primary goal, and the distraction is a welcome side-effect, imo
Albright had a problem, yes. the whole world expected Uncle Sam to reap the famous Peace Dividend. Am I the only one old enough to remember the discussion?
but this would have implied cutting the defense budget from freaking 50% of the world's expenditures to something like 25%, or even 10%. just to reflect on the different world after one superpower imploded
but no, the logic of politics-by-lobbyism is relentless, and 9/11 brought the emotional distraction for moar military spending
"it's all about money", remember?
Notsobright displayed the mind of the typical pscychopath. She said if we have this great military, why can't we use it?
That's what I've said for years about our nukes.
In the end Obama and Kerry will be on their knees begging to suck Putin's cock.
2015: Russia finally got a needle and pops the US bubble out of existence
Obama must be furious that he is getting Trayvon Martined again.
Ouch, lol.
its the economy bitchez!
"and is investigating McDonald's cheese for safety"
Investigation already complete. That shit's one chemical reaction away from napalm.
Would like to know the missing ingredient.
(might come in handy some day soon)
Russia and China control 98% of the world's rare earth metals. If they collectively said "Enough"......electronic devices, medical equipment, batteries, etc would significantly be impacted. Oh...btw...the US has rare earth metals but the EPA restrictions are too cost prohibitive.
And don't forget they got the corner on Titanium. Can you say "US Aerospace is grounded"?
If/when things get serious, and the Russian Aggression Prevention (RAP) bill that just had its 2nd reading, paves the way for the US escalating the situation (is raising the bet), then Russia will HAVE to impose its own American Aggression Prevention bill (AAP).
A consequence of AAP would be bans on exports of strategic and precious materials (metals, minerals and ores), with airtight sales channels that do not redirect to the US via intermediaries.
A closer alliance with Europe's Airbus (for example) would suit the French, British, Germans and Italians, but hurt its arch-rival Boeing. IOW, pull the EU away from the NWO, and pro Free-EU, free from imperialist powers.
Can you say "US Aerospace is grounded"?
That might not be so bad. Boeing's crap disappears nears S. Pacific atolls so far away that no one knows what goes on there. These planes then reappear over war zones.
Judging Putin's responses to the sanctions, the USSA is acting like an irritable knat.
If US companies hadn't offered the best price or value, they wouldn't have been getting the business in the first place. Protectionism increases costs on both sides.
Europe' thinking, shit the USD as a reserve curreny led to the trashing of the world economy, and has doubled down on that since 2008. The USD as a reserve currency is going to be a never ending nightmare for Europe.
why do you think we made the EUR? for fun? note how less big currencies are in danger of being trashed or are hiding under a peg or floor
look how the new BRICS bank has provisions in it's statutes for funds reserved in case one of it's member's currency is "under a speculative attack"
cheese and chicken wars
the winds day blow
and der
chickens must flow
russia cannot be allowed to get away with this.
those chickens are full of monsanto corn see.
vaccine full of bill gates love juice
money has been spent.
russia must be given an ultimatum
eat the cia cancer dosed gmo chickens
or die.
.
aye, that bird has flown
melamine chaser anyone?
I was expecting this Bird Has Flown..
+1 for BillG "love juice"
Incremental steps on boths sides as the fissures grow wider and wider.
If there was any real common ground between the opposing parties, it is fast disappearing.
Europe is allowing herself to get caught in the middle of the mess.
Merkel needs to get her thinking cap on and quickly.
Merkel is part of the Rothschild family. She needs to keep her ear piece in place to await the next order.
U.S. counsel received a bullet on the beach Mariupol, Ukraine
30.07.2014
Bathing in the sea, American Advisor of those 180 that arrived recently to Ukraine, was shot through a sniper's bullet.
While his colleagues tried to find a place to hide, which at a bare beach and has not appeared, the wounded American managed safely to choke, informs the Agency "new Russia".
As it is marked in the message. this is the third killed American instructor. Earlier, two counselors were shot dead in Mariupol on July 24.
Remember that four Americans were killed on the day during the battle under the Dubrovka. These unexpected losses led to the fact that half of the instructors have zaprosili home, and the others agree to the continuation of the mission only away from the front line.
Its all in the script.
Another tax on real Americans due to the stupid support of the parasite nation Israel.
All collective abstractions d.b.a. "states" are parasitical in nature, as no people desire to live with a gun to their head "for their own good."
The ones that believe they do? They live in fear of others, and pretend that there has to be a gun pointed at them.
4% ............... to be adjusted to 0%........ combined with the -3% 1st qtr......... white house / media doublespeak
1/3 in collections..... part time is the new full time job... obamacare just starting to kick in... love those deductibles do ya??
and employers will be dumping millions from company health plans... yowza.... great news huh?? mr softee lays off 18000,
illegals flooding in draining local resources fucking up schools,hospitls and yobs.....committing crimes and being set free to do it again... WHAT FUCKING RECOVERY ????
AND LET US SEE WHO SUFFERS FROM OBUMBLER'S SANCTIONS..... banks, oil companies, UNFUNDED / UNDERFUNDED STATE AND CORPORATE pensions / yeah that is going to help the bottom line and taxes in the near future..... any momentarily distorted view of "growth" will be completely reversed and then some... as sson as next quarter.... inflation is rising in basics and the people are not fooled into thinking all is well.... the idiot in charge has everything headed for total chaos.... TIME FOR THE VINEYARD... incompetency surrounded by ass kissers .... fubar
The adjustment will be interesting to see, as it will come just before "Selection Day."
France builds Mistral warship for Russia. Or not.
Russia takes blueprint to China. China builds knockoff warship at half the price.
Another stake in the heart to NUTO and the Nulandanders
Russia statement on building Mistrals
http://en.ria.ru/news/20140730/191483499/Russia-Could-Build-Mistral-Clas...
What the French think
http://en.ria.ru/news/20140730/191477624/Mistral-Deal-With-Russia-Unaffe...
Note that the ship is to be stationed in the Far East, not the Black Sea.
Sending a message to the locals that being friends with Russia/China might be a good plan.
They don't need the EU's fruit or America's chickens. Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will officially kick-off the EEU (Eurasian Economic Union) January 1, 2015... that's an economic market of approx. 175 million people and a GDP of $3 trillion right there. If Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (and perhaps, even China) joins... booom!!
The McDonalds Cheese scandel..now there is a Saturday Night live skit if i have ever seen one....three Russians in white coats....with a piece of cheese....calling Vlad to see what to say.....lol...I just spit out my vodka shot
http://tarpley.net/
Donkey. Kong.
Looks like we might have just avoided WW3. Looks like the S3/4/500 series of anti missile defences really are good. Don't expect to see much of this in the MSM.
First from the Saker
Information from very reliable sources. These sources are in Novorossiya, Russian Federation, EU and Ukraine, their bold type:
29.07.2014 in afternoon Ukraine time 4 SS-21 Tochka tactical ballistic missiles were fired by Ukraine Armed Forces. At least two were clearly aimed at Saur Moglia with the idea of the Ukes trapped in The Cauldron having a sudden escape route opened for them. Moments before launch Russian Federation units surged toward the border at The Cauldron area and to the north of The Cauldron.
None of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets. I repeat, none of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets and none impacted with the ground anywhere that can be found in anything close to one piece. As you know this missile can carry a tactical nuke, chem/bio, cluster munition or HE in the weight of just under 500 kilos.
When the 4 missiles failed to reach their targets the Armed Forces of RF immediately halted their surge and held position. They are in the same positions 30.07.2014.
There has been a noticeable slow down of fighting activity since the launches and Strelkov has pointedly said again that Novorossiya is open to negotiations.
The 4 Tochka missiles were shot down over Novorossiya territory occupied by Ukraine Armed Forces before the missiles reached their programmed height. They were shot down from inside RF according to normally reliable sources. No visual evidence has been provided of RF shooting down the Tochka systems nor of the system used to shoot down the Tochka missile
Then from https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/timeline
By logical opinion of blogger several short range ballistic missiles Kiev junta could firing toward territory of Russia, but they were destroyed...
Source: http:// luciusvorren.livejournal.com/ 121264.html
The Wind of Armageddon
luciusvorren
July 30th, 2:42
Chronology of today’s events:
Lavrov makes a statement that he has no intention to talk to Kerry
After this CNN reports launch of missiles by the Ukrainian military. The main point of this report is that Russia was not the target of these launches.
After this there was a conversation between Lavrov and Kerry (initiated by the Department of State).
After this a joint statement about immediate ceasefire is made by Kerry and the Foreign Minister of Ukraine.
This is probably a CONDITION PUT FORWARD BY MOSCOW, which has to be complied with in order to prevent Moscow’s military action against the Ukrainian armed forces.
Russia shot Ukrainian missiles down repeating the story with Israeli missiles launched at Syria.
It looks like Russia has really got some unique quality equipment, and it is the second time during the recent 12 months, when it has demonstrated what it is capable of.
And this scared the shit out of the States.
According to CNN three missiles were launched, but they did not hit any targets…
Russia shot the missiles down and the Americans realized that it will not take long before the military operation starts. No matter what our “5th and 6th columns” say about us “being dragged into a war”, but it is Russia’s direct involvement despite all the warning and sanctions, which the US fear most of all.
This is because if it happens, everyone will realize that the emperor has no clothes! The States will then only provide moral and diplomatic support to their “ally”.
No other support will be provided. They won’t even give them some money.
The Junta will be left alone with Russia, who will be free of any restrictions (Ukies stopped caring about restrictions themselves – “we are no brothers any longer”) – from any economic or any other restricting factors. This will be the end – not for Ukraine, but for the US hegemony. This is the scenario, which Washington gang, who caused all this mess, is desperately trying to stop.
I think that once again, the military operation, which is ready to start, will be stopped. This is the goal, which the US State Department statement is looking to achieve. On the background of Kerry’s statement about readiness to stop the fire and start the negotiations Russian army crossing the border will be regarded as a deceitful assault.
However the conflict has moved to a new stage – Novorossian militia has been recognized as a party to the negotiations by the US Secretary of State. We will see, what comes next
upd.
Looking at the comments I understand that some explanations are required.
Last year an Israeli ship in the Mediterranean launched missiles at Syria. Russia shot them down.
After this incident all conversations about US and its allies military operation in Syria were stopped.
According to the information from CNN Ukrainian military launched at least THREE Tochka-U’s targeting objects in the East of Ukraine.
CNN statement was released specially for Russia – it was not about launches. It was about Ukies not targeting Russia, but targeting Donbass. I think Russia took this into account.
However a missile flying in the direction of our border carrying unidentified charge in the warhead (with this said I have to note that Tochka-U is capable of delivering tactical nuclear charges) – this… this is fucking beyond permissible. Junta is insane.
Russia WAS BOUND to shoot the missiles down, and this is what it did.
An adequate reaction had to follow this. I.e. a strike on Ukraine and then a military operation and etc. This is because it is impossible to tolerate a monkey with a grenade at your threshold any longer. This was the red line. Junta stepped over it without blinking, and they probably weren’t even realizing wha they were doing.
Just a couple of hours ago Kerry stopped Russian army invasion into the Ukrainian territory.
Upd 2. If the missiles were launched with the permission of the Masters, if the trajectory was showing that they were flying into Russia… if the USA giving such an order to their slave servants were ready to take responsibility for the consequences to the very end – we would already have Armageddon today.
Explanations were provided to Moscow.
Judging by the fact that they even had to use CNN to help with this, we can say that Moscow was preparing and expecting the worst case scenario, and it was ready to strike back.
Holly shit!!!!
Excellent post and quite chilling.
UPDATE
You couldn't make it up. This announced today
"A spokesman from Ukraine’s National Security information center, Andriy Lysenko, rejected the report, saying that Ukraine has no such missiles."
This is after their allies, the US, had publically stated via CNN that US Intelligence had tracked the missiles from their launch yesterday in Ukraine and the Russians 'Iron Domeski' had shot them down.
Oh, and Wiki says they have 90 of them. Better correct that to 86.
OTR-21 Tochka Soviet Union tactical ballistic missile Scarab-B 90[39]http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140730/191485997/Russia-Concerned-by-Reports...
great post... good to get the 'un-spun' version of events
oh, they have those missiles. not that .gov or the controlled us or uk press will mention it.... it's...awkward:
US-Supported “Good Guys” Firing Ballistic Missiles In Ukraine?http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/07/kiev-fires-ballistic-missiles-...
How long before two or three make it over the border? Can you imagine what the story in the american media would be if Russian jets responded with strikes on the launchers?
As you can see, it sounds like the Russians were on their way as soon as the launch was detected, that was a REAL red line, not an Obama red line. Only stood down when the missiles were downed.
If the Russians had retaliated I doubt there would be much Ukrainian military infrastructure left, let alone the launcher sites.
One has to wonder what the Pentagon and NATO top brass thought was about to happen yesterday when they saw on their screens the Russian ABM missiles lift off, thousands of Russian troops on the move and fighters/bombers being scrambled all over Western Russia.
Shitting themselves springs to mind. I suspect no re-run of Dr Strangelove on their TVs last night.
As you say Duffy, all quiet on the MSM, apart from more 'evil' Putin propaganda.
Maybe they should let some through: Then "all bets are off" -- IDF-Gaza style.
What's good for the goose (IDF, US), is good for the gander (Russia).
As others have said, this is more serious than the Cuban Missile Crisis, and it seems Russia is again trying to prevent Nuclear War. Wonder what else we'll hear of these events.
The second half has too much speculation, especially considering this was also reposted there on July 25th:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post331795866/
Agreed Redneck.
I should probably have edited a lot of it out but when I can't quote a source in English, where ZH'ers can read the lot, I am nervous about slicing bits out.
At least the core information seems to be withstanding scrutiny.
Another interesting quote by a commenter on the saker
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4046811478707691837&postID=8733...
(part 2)
Finally let me guide your attention to a related and very interesting question: Why does the weztern empire hate Putin so extremely? That is not merely the hate against a political enemy, no, that's very personal and it's more than hate; there is blind rage on top of it.
Why?
Is it because Putin stands against them? No, only in (minor) part.
In fact it is because Putin is seen as a traitor by them. In their eyes Putin was a small "nobody" and his rise to power was completely orchestrated from the evil side.
Putin was put into power to obediently serve them. But they had to find out that they, the deceivers, were the deceived ones when Putin went straight, direct, (mostly) without lies, and completely uncontrollable by them.
Even worse, Putin is living proof that the evil side has not won, that the good side, snip, just like that, put a very major and very strong player against them on the board; even worse, they themselves put him there.
Since then things turn against the weztern side. Where they lie, lie, lie, he simply tells his people how things are. Where they suppress and exploit their populace, Putin actually made the lives of Russians very very much better.
And that constitutes an extremely strong power, a power that is the ultimate threat to the wezt. Because the truth *can* be seen and *is desired* by humans.
While the weztern media (read: propaganda outlets) lose large numbers of readers, media like RT are growing very quickly. While 80 - 90% of the readers in weztern countries have very negative comments on the propaganda they're served, Putin is trusted by many, increasingly even in the weztern system.
Finally, short: How will Russia react to the new sanctions and other evil war actions?
I think, Putin will be perfectly ready for anything, incl. a nuclear war. But he will not attack; even more, he will try any and everything to avoid war or, if unavoidable, to keep it as low level as any possible.
Here is what I expect to come:
- Putin will make new and harsher laws against the 5th colonne. At the same time the Russian authorities will show a considerably higher leniency for self defense and cleaning movements like Fedorovs.
- Putin will find a smart way to deal with the sanctions. Even taking away what the oligarchs have stolen from Russia might be an option. Of course, they will be reimbursed; the value will be what they originally payed (very very little) plus some compensation for increased values in the past years.
Similarly weztern companies will have a lot of small (but debilitating) problems; this will be proportional to the aggressivity of their countries.
- Not only does president Xi get along very well with Putin and is linked through BRICS but, possibly more importantly, Xi knows exactly that China is the next and last on usa's list. Defending Russia directly translates to defending China. Therefore I'm expecting a concerted and very smart - and extremely hard - strike against the usa dollar and economy.
A war with the usa would cost China at least a trillion $ - plus millions and millions of lives. And even then there is no guarantee to win that war; actually there were a very high risk to lose against the usa if Russia was somehow crippled.
At the same time the 2 to 3 trillion usa debths held by China are quite worthless anyway.
It seems just reasonable therefor to assume that dumping a crippling amount of usa debth in the range of up to 1,5 or even 2 trillion us$ simply is the cheapest way for China to settle the matter once and for all.
The us/nato/zionist system will be broken and destroyed and it will happen rather soon. In fact, what we see now from the weztern system may look like an attack (and in some way is) but in fact it's just the last attempt of the big daemon to survive. He won't.
Actually Putin was Yeltsin's insurance against trial and imprisonment. It was protection for his daughter who put Berezkhovsky at the heart of the Kleptocracy - go watch the film Tycoon
http://www.amazon.com/Tycoon-Vladimir-Mashkov-%C2%A0Mariya-Mironova/dp/B...
Remember Platon was the name Berezhovsky used and he was a Mathematician
As far as """""energy sanctions""""' on Russia, here is EKM1's infamous
USA GDP GROWTH CHEAT SHEET:
OIL $20, GDP +6%
OIL $40, GDP +4%
OIL $60, GDP +2%
OIL $80, GDP 0%
OIL $90, GDP -2%
OIL $100, GDP -4%
OIL $150, REVOLUTION
Use this chart for future estimations and geo-economic feedback loop from geo-political events.
good to see you EKM
thx a lot
And yet they've made a "surprise announcement" that the GDP is +4%, with Oil hovering/stagnant at ~ $100-110.
The Grand Deception continues, like the TV soap operas that just won't die.
Deglobalization in the making ?
Yes. Quantitative Easing accelerated de-globalization which is another term for de-dollarization
Somehow the MH17 flight data recorders managed to get to the UK. How did Russia allow this? They are complicit with an escalation in tensions. We are being played for fools by both sides in these silly sanctions. It's just a distraction from central bank games.
And where are the transcripts from the cockpit recorder? You know they have had those since day 2. I smell a rat.
Ooops, we accidently scratched the hard drive. So sorry.
No, it was 4 or so days before they were released to the Malaysians. At the weekend the Dutch said they should get results on the 1st Aug.
It is about power. All the important people want to hear the recording first to prove to themselves that they have power. That way policymakers can have their reactions already pre-canned before the public is shown the voice recordings.
What do you expect....
"Oh shit here comes a missle and it is from russia"????????
Or from Ukrain?????
Bob, don't forget "Where are the transcripts from two other nearby planes that were asked to contact the silent MH17"?
A: [crickets]
Only three places in Europe to process them, UK, France, Russia.
There was no way the Russians wanted them, think of the potential for US propaganda on the Russians fixing the data. Much better to have enough time to copy the contents and then ship them to the UK for processing. Even if they didn't copy them some might believe they did.
There is no way that Europe or Russia want sanctions, they are imperitive in the USA strategy though.
Russia in now blocking Polish exports of food, due to 'quarantine' issues.
if it's in their newsy broadcasts,
then it's in their scripts.
and they'd like you to pay attentions.
Russians have enough evidence to put on the table. as valid, as the BBoxes.
They do not need them at all evaluated.
Worst case scenario -Russia would have to build a totally independent economy that cannot be manipulated by the outside powers, in other words -real economy. Meanwhile, banning McDonalds or any western-agricultural products that are made to suppress immune system and destroy our genetic balance is what every responsible government should do.
This action will, of course, render the Big Mac index totally useless for measuring relative currency values. Bummer. Now we'll never know when currencies are being manipulated. We're doomed.
Didn't trade wars and protectionism stall recovery efforts then extend and deepen the Depression of the 30's?
The more important question is did not those Trade Wars and Protectionism lead directly to World War II?
If a country refuses to sell necessary items to another then the other will strike back by attempting to take them by force.
Another step closer to the abyss...Onward...Forward...Over the Cliff to Destruction.
/sarc
Energy was at the root then as well - specifically oil.
Absolutely spot on. However doesn't it already seem as though the world is at war, just not officially declared? I don't think the US troops were battle fatgued prior to entering WWII. Nor was the average citizen. Finally the american people, media etc... were all in behind entering WWII even if it took longer than the Brits liked.
I suppose the Churchill statement couldn't ring more true today when he stated something to the affect that the "US will do the right thing when all other options are exhausted". I doubt I quoted exactly but I think the point is made.
I'm not so sure the US can be counted on " doing the right thing" eventually. I doubt the US government has a clue as to "what the right thing is" anymore. That may actually be the most important point concerning this entire situation and the bigger picture.
So many "foreign entanglements" that we may have 15 clauses with 50 countries that determine that we go to war based on a simple "if, then" statement. Hell we may even be contractually obligated to attack ourselves under the right circumstance.
Russia's reaction, (from today's govt meeting):
Developing regional air transport, establishing rapid growth centres in the Far East, de-offshorisation of Russia’s economy, and other current tasks were discussed.
de-offshorization = bringing oligarchs money back to Russia ?
and also: business transaction conditions similar to those on Cyprus to be created in Crimea
Interesting! Any links?
De-offshorization probably means making stuff in Russia as opposed to importing it.
July 30
Russia to replace imported components for weapons with its own in 3 years
Components for Russian weapons and miliatry equipment which until now were bought in Ukraine will be replaced with domestically manufactured ones in 2.5-3 years, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Wednesday.
“We are moving steadily to make everything, at least military products, in Russia,” he said.
Rogozin said the government would draft a plan for replacing dual-purpose equipment and technologies earlier purchased in Western countries as it has already done for products made in Ukraine.
“We are now working on issues relating to the substitution of import from NATO countries,” he said.
You got missiles coming in your general direction? Who you gonna call?
They can't do that. I'm on their side.
In other news:
1) Interfax, 14:59 - Russia, India developing method for mutual payments in national currencies - CBR
2) ItarTASS - China Southern Airlines launches direct air traffic between central China, Moscow
3) Interfax - Russia can build second Mistral itself - Rogozin
Building a second one themselves was probably the plan all along.
Once trade stops across a border, bombs usually follow. Hedge acordingly.
Ok, so how long before Russia turns off the oil and gas taps to the EU? November perhaps?
It's startin' to look like the Kenyan is sanctioning himself!!!???
Go long Saiga 12's. E-Z double.
Putin should announce a reduction of gas supplies to Europe by 10% and 10% price increase until the loons in Brussels disconnect themselves from sanctions being applied by madmen in Washington.
No. That sounds like what Obama would do. Take their money. Sell them all the gas they want.
Yup. Make it so easy to buy Russian gas that they'd be crazy to look elsewhere.
smacker, you know that the "loons in Brussels" are, among others, the British PM, the Polish PM and the Balts' Ministers, all fervently pro-sanctions against Russia
the same group of nations that is openly and vocally blocking the nomination of the Italian FM to the Commission because "she is too Russia-friendly"
seriously, sometimes I have the impression that you need something like the myth of Brussels faceless, nameless, unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats
Polish PM and the Balts' Ministers and parts of the EU have had their asses whacked by the tsars for so many centuries I think some of them would be willing to die in an atomic holocaust for revenge.
Actually from the 14th - 18th centuries, the Poles and Lithuanians, along with the Swedes, attacked Imperial Russia several times. During this time period, the Poles and Lithunainans were essentially the vanguard of east-facing Catholic fanatical militant Fascism. The warmongering Popes told their stooges in Poland and Lithuania to attack Russia to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church, steal their lands and money, and "convert" more little boys for the purpose of servicing their horny horde of pedophile priests.
Yeah I know, I have the book Ivan The Terrible by Henri Troyat. It is a great read.
The vatican sent a mission to Russia to enable a base there. Ivan told them that he was the emmissary of Christ on earth and they should turn around and go home.
This confrontation is still playing out today.
Ivan wasn't so terrible until they poisoned his wife. That is when enemies of the empire began being sat on kegs of dynamite and blown into a fine mist in the town square.
Also when Ivan was young the boyars thought he was about to die of a fever. They tried to set it up so his heirs would not reign. Thing is Ivan did not die and vowed revenge. When he became tsar he took all of the boyars lands and routed them, setting up the siloviki which is now about the same as the KGB or now FSB.
You are right. Cameron is becoming almost feverish about even harsher sanctions against Putin. He never explains exactly what it is he wants Putin to do. I believe Putin has been selected as the West's whipping boy to camouflage Part II of the forthcoming financial crash. They are desperate to find someone to blame.
A German political commentator was on RT.com earlier stating that the West has squandered the opportunity for global peace and co-operation offered by Russia after the Soviet Union collapsed. I totally agree with him.
But your view on the Brussels crats is misplaced. Recall they were stirring up and part-funding the revolution in Ukraine. Truth is none of them are worth a rat's ass.
Check out Cameron's wiki. He and his wife are tribe members and banking families. His grandad raised money for the Red Shield clan for wars.
He will probably do just that. But remember that, unlike our fearless leader, Putin actually plans things out. The time to cut off the gas isn't in the middle of summer, when Europeans are taking their 8 weeks vacation in the Riviera, but in the middle of a wintery cold spell when they're freezing their butts off.
Russia can hurt the US the most by pulling the EU away from the US. You do that by avoiding aggression with the EU, and focus on win-win trade and business deals: People vote with their pocketbooks, in the end.
The US is trying to prevent/front-run this growing Eurasian alliance/trade -- with increasing desperation. The regimes in the Baltic states, Brussels, Poland, the UK and Ukraine are its stooges.
FYI, the expat Zio-Bolsheviks in the US (Nuland ilk) and in Israel (Nuttynyahoo+Likud) are the ones who are "stirring the pot" the most, as they are still licking their wounds (bruised egos), decades later after being kicked out by Stalin. Those fuckers/sociopaths seem to think that they are entitled or chosen (yeah, self-chosen) to rule whatever country they are in. It's time for the rest of the populace in each country to put them in their proper place: "Demographically Representative Influence" (DRI), no more, no less.
They captured a Polish American pilot trained in Poland bombing the east Donbas. His plane was shot down.
Jumpin' Vlad Flash is a gaz, gaz, gaz!!!
Since Putin is 100% right in everything he does I think the U.S. government should adopt his attitude toward Mexico. Let's start arming U.S. citizens and let them take over northern Mexico. We'll give them tanks, missiles, whatever they want to use on that Mexican joke of an army. There wouldn't be any shortage of volunteers willing to blow Mexicans away and we'll use the same excuse: Mexico is dangerous and needs to be put down for its fascist tendencies. Immigration problem solved.
The proper analogy here would be for Russia to spend billions of dollars to destabalize Mexico, eventually leading to an armed overthrow of the government in Mexico and the installation of a pro-Russian government in Mexico, financed, armed, and advised by Moscow. In response to this, the Northern Mexican states declare independence from Mexico and vow to defend their way of life from the new pro-Russian government. Civil war breaks out right next to the U.S. border.
In this situation...
Does the U.S. move any troops next to the U.S. border? (The answer must be no, because that's what Putin did and Putin is evil).
Does the U.S. sit by and do nothing and watch the bloodshed in Northern Mexico unfold, including the killing of many American citizens living in the region? (The answer must be yes, because Putin chose to act in this situation, and Putin is evil).
Does the U.S. passively allow a Russian state to be imposed on Mexico, and ballistic missles and Russian military bases to be put along the U.S. border, within spitting distance of millions of American citizens?
If you have a fucking brain, you've realized by now that if the tables were reversed, the American reaction would have been much more severe than what Russia has done with Ukraine to date.
Brilliant satire. Top of the class.
Chill, dude. Putin is perfect. I didn't say anything against him. How could I? He's perfect.
And your comment took some time to write but it's off on a couple of important points. But we both agree Putin is perfect.
We think you should find a good plastic surgeon and have your foreskin sewn back on.
Question of the Day: "richsob", how can you be rich, yet be consistently so thick?
Please tell me what you do or how you got rich. And is being an "SOB" part of your success, since you seem to value both in your name?
unfortunately, the current form of corrupted domestic government doesn't consider immigration a problem.
It works in occupied Palestine, is that where you get your model? Go steal some organs. You are suffering from anti-gentilism and should be on medication.
So, that means chicken in America will be less expensive, right?
Just looks like another racist game of 'chicken' to me!!?
No, the chicken will actually be less chicken as in, unknown.
Not in Bizarro World!
Yes - though Chicken Kiev might be harder to come by.