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Israel, Gaza and Palestine: What Americans Need to Know

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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:27 | 5033930 DerAdler
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Israel, South Africa, Rhodesia, Iraq, Czechoslovakia, and the American South have proved one thing: multiculturalism doesn't work. Different peoples must have their own spaces, no mixing. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 11:40 | 5043831 pac522
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Before the creation of the state of  Israel, Jew, Muslim and Christian lived side by side harmoniously. Bigotry and hatred are not something you should be born with, although I can make a strong case against ignorant people. Zionisim, Radical Islam and fundalmenatalist Christian, there is no difference, except for the color of the leash around the neck.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5034450 TNTARG
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I'm so glad being an european who I married a south american native. My children are so much intelligent and evolved than you...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:10 | 5033826 Ariadne
Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:07 | 5033804 alien-IQ
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latest update according to MOH: 1567 deaths, 8760 injuries, and 9245 partially or completely destroyed homes.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:04 | 5033779 Duffy
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Americans do have a media that is far more slanted pro-Israel than in other parts of the world. The American MSM isn't covering quite large protests, it seems.  Basically - nobody is buying that this is about stopping the rockets that followed the debunked pretext of the kidnappings.

Israel's 155mm Cure for 'Terrorism'

^good stuff

I think the US should cut off all aid to both sides.  But then I also think the US should more vocally discuss and expose the extent of Israeli industrial/economic/military/intelligence spying....

Israel risks, as this goes on, as they flirt with genocide and mass ethnic cleansing and making Gaza unlivable for non-Jews - waking up not only the duped Southern Evangelican "Christian" Zios, but, eventually, even the Shia and Sunni may begin to put aside their differences and look to the cancerous tumor that is the Likud/Shas Zionist entity.

And that isn't going to be good for anybody.

 

As for the ziotrolls, the majority who are just unreasonable and regurgitating talking points...  I'm going to stop feeding them.  There are maybe 2 or 3 who simply argue from a pro-Israel position, which I get, that's fine, but these shitheads who shout antisemite over and over should just be ignored.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:10 | 5033837 alien-IQ
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photo from protest outside the Israeli embassy in London. It ain't small...

https://twitter.com/revsoc21/status/495269582547202052/photo/1

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:49 | 5033677 alexcojones
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Hamas Evil.

Israel Evil.

Two Evils Never make a Right.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:44 | 5033619 heywood
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Give me a break "George". We all know you're really a Muslim with a fanatical hatred of jews.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:02 | 5033773 alien-IQ
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Your tribe has pushed the envelope too far and now you will soon learn that hatred of Jews is not "anti-semitism"...it is now just the good common sense thing to do.

You brought it on yourself. Remember that when you are begging for mercy...a mercy that shall not be granted.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:48 | 5033652 George Washington
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Maybe I'm Jewish, and following this Holocaust survivor's advice:

 

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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:42 | 5033602 alien-IQ
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Massive Israeli attack on civilians at Rafah boarder crossing happening right now. Reports of at least 70 civilians killed and hundreds wounded.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:18 | 5033510 BullyBearish
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The Times reported that the Israeli government believes it must spend more money on "hasbara," a Hebrew word that falls somewhere between propaganda and information.

 

Here's how Israel is suffering in this "war":

According to Magen David Adom, 26 people were injured on Thursday in rocket barrages; most of them were treated for shock.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:33 | 5033565 alien-IQ
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I've seen Israelis treated for shock at PF Changs because the Spicy Chicken entree was a bit too spicy.

They are always in "shock".

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:45 | 5033326 Fix It Again Timmy
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It is time to get a grip on the tunnel threat.  So far, about 30 tunnels have been discovered.  Each tunnel is the width of one soldier.  If all tunnels were to simultaneously discharge Palestinian fighters, then 30 soldiers at a time would exit along a 32 mile border.  Is that a threat? Now, a real threat is something like the German blitzkrieg against Russia during WWII.  Four giant Panzer armies swept across the Russian border.  In the first seven days, 150,000 Russian soldiers were killed or wounded.  Now that is a threat!  Israel's assertion that the tunnels pose a threat against their nation is both laughable and absurd and simply is used as an excuse to committ more crimes against humanity directed at the Palestinian population.  People of the world, are you really, really that stupid to the point that you agree with the Israeli assertions and believe these tunnels are a threat?    

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:03 | 5033441 Mercury
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One determined man with a rifle can ruin your whole day.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:08 | 5033465 alien-IQ
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Nowhere near the carnage that is being doled out by a demented man with an Army, Navy and Air Force that is paid for by US tax dollars.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:28 | 5033546 Grimaldus
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And nowhere near the carnage being wrought by murdering islamic snackbarian rats in syria and iraq against their own.

You got dhimmwit of the day award my friend.

Jews were living in Mecca and Medina long before super-perv mohammed came along. When the Jews there  refused to convert to snackbarian rat, mohammed slaughtered all of them.

 

While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."  Bukhari 53:392

 

So should the descendants of the Jewish tribes of Mecca and Medina, the Banu Qaynuqa, the Banu Nadir, and the Banu Quyrayzabe given the right to return to their land?

Never mind, just FOAD, dhimmwit. And don't forget to pick you up a couple of fresh bloody heads from the ISIS caliphate souvenir store near you.

Grimaldus


Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:21 | 5033494 Mercury
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The US has lost every war since WWII (depending on how much of a success you think Korea was/is) except Kosovo - almost always to a relatively small number of determined men or men with inferior resources or both.

So, I stand by my assertion.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:08 | 5033816 Duffy
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depends on what the definition of success is.  It is very hard to hold a large area with a dispersed and easily hidden enemy who can blend in with civilians - that has nothing to do with the military being poorly trained or equipped, it has to do with the ins and outs of asymetrical warfare.

So, when you kill 25-40x of the enemy, it's tough to say the enemy won because you left 15 years later. 

 

Everyone loses.

 

Compare the IDF's performance blowing up little kids on beaches from F-15s with fighting guerillas defending Lebanon, however, and your point has some saliency.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 13:52 | 5033687 bitterwolf
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You are a simpleton and a cretin. Th last time the all mighty UA ARMY "lost" was to the Seminole indians in the swamps of Forida. The green machine is never defeated on the field of battle. The campaign could and has ended by the (political leader ship)act of withdrawing from the theatre of battle. Dont get it twisted, you fucking liitle numbnut clerk-typist never stood up with a rifle pussy.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:20 | 5033878 Mercury
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Take it easy.

I never said our defeats were due to any insufficent bravery/resolve/professionalism/ability of our soldiers. Of course they are the result of political issues. Various US entities (besides taxpayers) still make money off of US wars but when it became politically unfashionable to win wars in the 1950s/60s they just revamped their business models to make money off of losing wars.

Ask a US Marine who fought, sacrificed and lost buddies in the Second Battle of Fallujah in 2004 how he felt when he heard that the city had just been overwhelmed by Al-Qaeda this January.

I thought we learned our lesson after Vietnam but apparently not. Bomb the enemy into submission from afar if need be but Afghanistan and Iraq type ventures are a terrible waste of resources and a "LOSS" in my book.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:34 | 5035697 bitterwolf
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Then we are on the same sheet of music, insofar as the institution of the US ARMY and it's enduring value and honor to the nation, not with standing the use and abuse as a tool, by the western power elite for their own selfish interests and profits. The idea of 10+ years of loss of life and limb by the US warfighter in light of the ISIS(L) victories makes the aforementioned warfighter and those Americans who give a shit, puke in their collective mouths.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 20:23 | 5035911 Mercury
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Amen.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:31 | 5033239 The Phallic Crusader
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It only tok 2 posts for someone to play the Hitler card.  You just have to ignore it, GW.  The Israeli government started this latest round of violence on a pretext, there is no cognizable argument that destroying all these homes and infrastructure and using the type of anti-personnel and apparently anti-armor munitions the IDf is using is about hitting rocket launch sites - this is an aggressive, expansionist, colonialist, apartheid power with a powerful modern military engaging in collective punishment.

 

It's quite obvious to me that, paid or not, the Israel-is-never-wrong crowd here keeps repeating the same tired talking points.  They keep using the same tactics - apparently not differentiating between the intelligence and savviness of posters here versus say CNN or even the NYT - the home of well-spoken sophists.

 

'anti-Semite' is no longr just primarily used to smear and sideline legitimte criticism of a foreign power, or its too-powerful, ethnocentric 5th Column.  It is used to justify the murder of hundreds of refugees, on trumped up, paper thin charges which no one has any excuse for not knowing were a false, premeditated pretext.

 

What we should be talking about, is the ability of Netanyahu to get his warped narrative across.  The kidnapping of 3 Israelis, while tragic, instantly pushed a lot of much more grave news and information aside - across the MSM - that to me suggests coordination and control by, frankly, pro-Israel interests - perhaps within the US government.  The way the story was treated - and for that matter, the way Kiev's assault on Eastern Ukraine was suddenly *not covered* also speaks of tight control of corporate media messaging to the American people.

Netanyahu has been lying about Iran for 22 years - yet his claims are repeated.  The lie about "wiping Israel off the map" - MEMRI' deliberate mistranslation - has never been corrected (nor the differentiation between the Zionist State as a Jewish ethnarchy and a binational state - which is in fact what Iran previously called for). Netanyahu was probably invlvd in a nuclear smuggling ring, and he lied before Congress saying there was "no doubt" Hussein was working on a nuke to help induce, along with an army of Jewish neoconservatives, the US to attack Iraq for Israel's perceived benefit.

What's going on in Gaza, as reprehensible an outfit as Hamas may be, can not be seriously described as Israel defending itself from the rockets fired in response to Israel's own airstrikes.  Hamas is a terror organization?  Sure - but so is Likud and Shas, who blend their hate with outright racism and messianic fervor.

 

And they have nukes, chemical weapons and so forth.

 

These are war crimes, and boycotting ALL Israeli products and services is the very least all decent human beings can do as we hope for some miracle and and end to violence on both sides. 

 

But being called an anti-Semite by irrational racists, possibly even Jewish Supremacists who excuse every outrage committed by Israel and seek to conflate this country's interests with that of a tiny foreign ethnarchy?

 

George - fuck 'em.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:21 | 5033132 novictim
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If we get money out of American politics then we will finally solve the Israeli-Patestinian conflict.

Step ONE must be campaign finance reform.  And no, these efforts will NOT be televised. (Or show up in the major print new media). 

Get involved TODAY:  Join the MAYDAY PAC.  Google/Research it and get comfortable with this...and then support it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:11 | 5033046 bitterwolf
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Gaza is joo waterloo.

The jooish question 2.0

Cut US military aid EBT card up.

Real change will happen only when US $Billions$ stops flowing into the wholly fucked land.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:04 | 5032999 alien-IQ
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To all who wish to label me an "anti-semite"...I thank you. It is the highest of compliments especially considering that my definition of anti-semite clearly differs from yours.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 14:42 | 5034041 Blazed
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@alien-IQ

I will second that, brother!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:49 | 5032909 jballz
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Israel is doing what any country would do and FFS how does this get so much airplay with Syria going on a hundred miles away? Talk about blind analysis. Muslims kill their neighbors it's in their handbook. Fuck em.

As for gaza and Israel it is nobody's fault. Demographic phenomenon and result of the human spawn. Region went from less than a million inhabitants to ten million while this squabble was unresolved. Now there is no room for all who got born there so they and you all want to trace the lineage to justify what cannot be justified. Hamas are a bunch of terrorist assholes who subjugate their own despite them already being oppressed. Again, fuck em.

Best move at this point is ship every last Palestinian to Montana and call it a day. Then when they start killing everyone around them the property rights will be more clear in terms of resolution. Belongs to the Blackfoot right...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:04 | 5033000 Sheikh_Speare
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand you managed to talk sensesly without addressing a single point that the article laid out clearly.

Really? You think we're all just gonna highfive you and jump on the genocide bandwagon?

 

Piss off

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:08 | 5033038 alien-IQ
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Just moments ago, The Times of Israel removed an article with the headline: "When Genocide is Permissible".

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/when-genocide-is-permissible/

I guess they had second thoughts about revealing their true intentions in such a public forum.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:48 | 5032896 besnook
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the cynical side of my mind says this israel bashing has been an orchestrated campaign to rid the world of israel because it was virtually impossible just a few years ago to post anything negative about israel and now the world(especially young people) are bashing israel without obstruction even on mainstream web sites.

i hope this is true.

the naive side of my mind says the internet allowed a critical mass of israel bashers to gather and persuade fence sitters and the ignorant to view israel as the evil doer the nation is by overwhelming mainstream media with israel criticism that eventually had to be allowed lest the credibility of the site affect revenue streams for the site. at some point this change of sentiment will manifest at the ballot box by sending zionist elected officials to the unemployment line

i hope this is true.

once israel loses the support of the people of the usa and their elected representatives that shitty little country is finished. make it happen!!!!!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:56 | 5032948 alien-IQ
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You have to hit them in their heart, which is located in their wallets. Boycott the motherfuckers.

For anyone doubting how effective that would be, I suggest you look back at the recent panic mode they went into after flights to Israel were cancelled. Their reaction to that exposed their soft underbelly. Hit 'em where it hurts them: The wallet. Boycott all Israeli goods and end us financial support for those monsters.

Without US aid, they crumble like a house of cards.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:21 | 5033103 besnook
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bds makes them crazy. israel has had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. it may have been the best thing for the world because they obviously have little control over their psychopathic selves inevitably showing the world what evil people they are. this latest slaughter of palestinians has solidified world opinion against israel forever stereotyping the zionuts as insane clowns not to be believed and trusted. the palestinians, and the world, have won. thank you, nutandyahoo, you ethnic cleansing, genocidal maniac, and your equally criminally insane followers.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:46 | 5032882 The Phallic Crusader
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I'm not wading into this... nonsense, but did like a recent article [which betrays, I suppose, what I think]:

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-right-or-wrong/

and this one:

http://original.antiwar.com/lucy/2014/07/31/top-ways-to-justify-civilian...

 

I hope a bilateral cease fire holds and somehow this cycle of hate and violence ends-  but there's no question the conditions under which the Palestinian people are made to live by the Jewish State need to be addressed along with the continued settlement building and what amounts to systemic pro-Israel narrative media bias.

Unfortunate to see over the top anti-Semitic comments.  But truly amazing to watch people making absurdly racist anti-Arab statements also whining about fair criticism as "anti-Semitic."

 

just my 2 cents.

 

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:50 | 5032906 alien-IQ
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Why is it that Jews are allowed to hate Arabs and Muslims but NOBODY is allowed to hate Jews?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:41 | 5032841 alien-IQ
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I propose a new definition

Anti-semite = a person with a conscience., morals and a sense of humanity.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:34 | 5032780 dirty belly
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From the 1927 Grand Council of American Indians

 

"The white people, who are trying to make us over into their image, they want us to be what they call "assimilated," bringing the Indians into the mainstream and destroying our own way of life and our own cultural patterns. They believe we should be contented like those whose concept of happiness is materialistic and greedy, which is very different from our way.

We want freedom from the white man rather than to be intergrated. We don't want any part of the establishment, we want to be free to raise our children in our religion, in our ways, to be able to hunt and fish and live in peace. We don't want power, we don't want to be congressmen, or bankers....we want to be ourselves. We want to have our heritage, because we are the owners of this land and because we belong here.

The white man says, there is freedom and justice for all. We have had "freedom and justice," and that is why we have been almost exterminated. We shall not forget this."

Wintu Woman, 19th Century

 

"When we Indians kill meat, we eat it all up. When we dig roots, we make little holes. When we build houses, we make little holes. When we burn grass for grasshoppers, we don't ruin things. We shake down acorns and pine nuts. We don't chop down the trees. We only use dead wood. But the white people plow up the ground, pull down the trees, kill everything. ... the White people pay no attention. ...How can the spirit of the earth like the White man? ... everywhere the White man has touched it, it is sore."

http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/quotes.html

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:45 | 5033325 xavi1951
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You free to live in a teepee and hunt deer in the forest, but be careful!  The liberal greenies have probably confiscated the forest and won't like you living or walking on the virgin land, or hunting the animals.  Progressivism at work.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:32 | 5032767 George Washington
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To anyone who calls me an anti-semite ...

Maybe I'm Jewish, and following this Holocaust survivor's advice:

 

?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:49 | 5032905 danepol
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If you're Jewish, then you are a self-hating Jew and your sickness needs treating. Even then you do not deserve anything but deep contempt and loathing from your fellow Jews.

If you are anything but Jewish, then you are a hateful bigot.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:13 | 5033073 ajax
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  "There's no business like shoah business"

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:51 | 5032917 alien-IQ
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"Self hating Jew", "anti-semite", "muzi-lover"...bla bla bla bla bla...you bitches need a new script to work off of, that shit is stale and meaningless.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:40 | 5032825 alien-IQ
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George, you need to get over this meaningless "anti-semite" label nonsense. If you are worried about being called a "name" because you oppose the killing of innocent children and the imprisonment of 1.8 million people, then they have won.

It's a meaningless label. Don't run from it, wear it like a badge of honor because the only thing being called an "anti-semite" means is that you have spoken the truth.

Fuck them and their name calling, stick to your principles and that will get you through. To oppose the Israeli occupation of Gaza is to be on the right side of history.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:32 | 5032734 Fix It Again Timmy
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Israel is a racist and apartheid state that has constructed brutish ghettos for Palestinians and is increasingly committing vicious crimes against humanity, that's all you have to know, it's really just that simple and doesn't require much understanding...All one has to do to understand this is look at photos of the devastation in Gaza resulting the lack of water and electricity and look at photos of the devastation in Israel resulting in the lack of water and electricity [hint: there is no devastation in Israel to speak of]...At the most, Israelis may be interrupted from watching their favorite television program in order to scramble to an air raid shelter from a rocket that has a miniscule, miniscule chance of killing or harming them...Israel is acting like a mad, rabid dog and is on the road to even surpassing the atrocities of the Nazis who brutishly destroyed the Warsaw ghetto...This is detesting and should not be tolerated by the civilized world...

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