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Propaganda Full Frontal: A Little High Level Intervention And This Is What Happens

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While one can attribute the most recent AP tweeting faux pas to a missed English grammar lesson, when in the aftermath of the MH-17 crash, this:

... became this:


there is no grammatical justification for why two days ago, AP did it again, when a "harshly" worded tweet by the AP:

... became this, just four hours later.

One wonders how high the propaganda flag pole the objecting parties had to run, make that sprint, to get this "revised wording" blasted out, and just how many AP pink slips will appear in next week's not seasonally adjusted initial jobless claims print?


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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:12 | 5027027 slotmouth
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Could also just be smart marketing.  Get all those against Israel to retweet the first and get all those pro-Israel to retweet the second.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:14 | 5027036 BigJim
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LOL, never attribute to conspiracy what can be attributed to venality, eh ;-)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:17 | 5027056 Four chan
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some twit got their ass chewed.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:19 | 5027064 Davalicious
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The Jews are playing a dangerous game. The longer this goes on the more their control of media and politics becomes obvious. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:21 | 5027083 ShorTed
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It wasn't obvious already?

As for the rest of it, it's all propaganda, just matters whose you believe.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5027091 jaap
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Still I am a big fan of Matthew Lee at the state dept press conferences.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:32 | 5027122 Looney
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Associated Press = ASS Press  ;-)


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:33 | 5027133 Manthong
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A tweet is a terrible thing to waste.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:50 | 5027212 General Decline
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Down the memory hole with that piece of uncomfortable rhetoric.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:09 | 5027310 Vampyroteuthis ...
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C'mon folks! You can't expect too much from an underpaid intern.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:38 | 5027468 surfsup
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Fade the Lie stream media . . . 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:59 | 5028192 Paveway IV
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I'm actually happy that feeble-minded U.S. lawmakers have gone on the record to support the Gaza genocide.

"...Considered to be the most serious of offences, high treason was often met with extraordinary punishment, because it threatened the security of the state. Hanging, drawing and quartering was often employed..." [Wiki]

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:15 | 5027947 DavidC
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Or, in many cases now, UNPAID interns.


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:37 | 5027144 Chupacabra-322
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Isn't AP owned by the Rothschids? Financial Times is as is the Economist I believe.

C'mon Hedgesrs, 6 Fascist Corps. Own all the media.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:40 | 5027163 Tyler Durden
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Actually, that's the Economist

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:57 | 5027249 firstdivision
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She graduated from Pomona college....such prestige there.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:05 | 5027288 thecoloredsky
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Lynn Forester de Rothschild has stated that her first business success came at the age of 16 when she bought US made blue jeans and brought them to sell in Israel during her vacation there and sold them for up to ten times what they had originally cost her.[citation needed]

Haha! Fucking hilarious! Where do I begin?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:18 | 5027346 Cacete de Ouro
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Now the Rothschilds (Israel) just bribe US politicians and get 100 times return on investment through USAID. Make that 1000 times return on investment.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:07 | 5027611 john39
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bribery is simple when you control the money printer...  and there is no way anyone outside the cabal can ever know how much money they have printed and used...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:21 | 5027680 JoeSexPack
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Rothschilds bought Reuters in 1800's to keep their names out of media.


Reuters later bought AP.


Lynne Rothschild was on Reuters Board until about 2012.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:27 | 5027704 dvfco
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JOE - You so have the best name on ZH.  

On the other hand, i had not known that about Reuters, and now I have to check it out.

Well, it say so on Reddit, so it's confirmed.  /sarc/kinda

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:03 | 5027890 JoeSexPack
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joe sIx pack was taken, so I changed 1 letter. Funny avatar from Hvar, Croatia, no bikinis downtown.


Lynn Rothschild's current bio here:


Take a look at current Reuters board, if you have time. Some may work for the holding companies on whose boards Lynn sits.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:40 | 5027476 MayIMommaDogFac...
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she bought US made blue jeans and brought them to sell in Israel during her vacation there and sold them for up to ten times what they had originally cost her

Sigh...This was back when Levi's were still made of Denim instead of fucking Crepe Paper.  

You could wash a pair of blue jeans, 'til they were practically white, and the fabric would still have its integrity.  Now?!!?  Garbage and falling apart after less than one year.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:53 | 5027526 TahoeBilly2012
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Simple way to educate people is make this statement "All major US media is owned by 5 Jewish corporations"....just like that, nice and simple.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:24 | 5027688 Titus
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Do you have a flow chart?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:28 | 5027707 Titus
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In response to a reporter's question about her wealth, Forester said, “Is that said about me? I hope not. I mean, I’m just who I am. I don’t think being rich is that important. I think not being boring is really important.”

This coming from a Jew that was selling blue jeans on vacation.


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:59 | 5028191 Lore
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Wonder if they were Levi's.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:53 | 5027821 TeethVillage88s
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On the announcement of the marriage, the de Rothschild couple were invited to spend their honeymoon at the White House, where they agreed to stay one night.[10] after 30 November 2000.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:03 | 5027285 Charles The Ham...
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You picked THAT comment to chime in on??

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:32 | 5027126 Chupacabra-322
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The PsOp's / Propagandist / Statist script by the Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. CEO. is more & more Chilling everyday.

What is transpiring today is EPIC in proportion in the grand scale of things both in present & in Histories past.

________ (Insert your God) help us.

We are Goverend by Children, Psycopaths / Sociopaths, the Insane & Megalomanics who must be stopped at all costs.


Humanities existence is at Stake.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:47 | 5027785 john39
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israeli sniper brags about killing 13 palestinian children:

well done U.S. Congress, I hope you are proud of yourselves.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:45 | 5028098 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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Allah was running low on virgins. Thanks for the re-supply.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:34 | 5027137 PT
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Winston Smith, your services are required.  Please report to the Ministry of Truth.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:37 | 5027153 Tall Tom
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Beat me to it.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:30 | 5027116 MeMongo
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But honest we're only targeting Hamas turrists (which happened to be honestly elected btw)

but no collateral damage here

Honest. singed nuttyyahoo

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:30 | 5027383 F0ster
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The Jews are controlling the media as a wepeon of war and are modern day front line soldiers for Israel. I wonder how long it will be before these so called 'media professionals' will start getting slaughtered like the miltants they have become. They can't hide behind their desks and get away with manupulating the masses forever. Aldous Huxley warned us about these guys. They can be beaten and the decentralized power of social media is the new front against the Zionist control over our minds via the media. Keep fighting!!!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:34 | 5027444 Duffy
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It's not just the US - going unmentioned is who controls a large part, maybe all in all most  [not all] of the TV and newspapers in Ukraine...


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:33 | 5027434 Duffy
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how many msm news sources can your junkers name that don't have jewish owners/controlling managers/editors, or which don't have a highly disporportionate number of Jewish staff/reporters?


Seriously - if it's such a "canard" this should be an easy exercise.

Arguably you could say Fox - murdoch and ailes and its worth noting that no channel is more zealously zionist.


But what else?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:36 | 5027452 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Far-right nuts like yourself make me laugh.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:31 | 5027428 4 wheel drift
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-lol   wonder how tweeter got its name....   'buncha twits tweeting shit'



Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:17 | 5027057 fonzannoon
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who in the fuck follows AP's tweets?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:20 | 5027073 Ghordius
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journalists? in my experience, the biggest "serious" tweet "followers/users" are journalists. and they love to "follow" each other

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:26 | 5027104 kliguy38
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like lemming swine they do..... so closely they have to mop the pooo off their faces every few minutes

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:11 | 5027317 what's that smell
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those who live by the tweet, die by the tweet.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:56 | 5027248 Bryan
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haha... reminds of a chain of dogs sniffing each other's a$$es.  :-)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:37 | 5027458 Kirk2NCC1701
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I knew a hot young journalism student once, while at college, and I "followed" her also.  Right to the bedroom.

She had the questions, I had the answers.  Very investigative, she was.  The series of interviews ended, when I determined that she was too much of a 'princess' (J.A.P. type) and she determined that she needed someone more kosher than me.   Some stories are not meant to last, I guess.  ;-)


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:20 | 5027075 oudinot
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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:22 | 5027085 kito
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by the looks of it, everybody who follows tyler....

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5027097 fonzannoon
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I did not look at it that way. Well played with the chilean inflation protected bonds btw. Turns out they were the safe haven, not Argentina.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5027095 williambanzai7
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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:42 | 5027134 oudinot
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Nice one,  banzai!

I hate that lying prick-especially when he called Glen Grunwald a 'traitor' on his Sunday morning proganda special.  Gregory isn't good enough to smell Grunwald's dirty shorts.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:42 | 5027174 The Proletariat
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Anybody else notice the tatoo on his forehead?.?.?.?.?. It looks like...... DICKSMOKER

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:49 | 5027515 Callz d Ballz
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What is this program you speak of?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:02 | 5027275 _ConanTheLibert...
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I once had a T-shirt with the Intel like text "Error Inside". I even walked the streets with it. Every now and then someone LOLed.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:16 | 5027333 Yen Cross
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  David Gregory has a bright future working as an actor in the "Planet of The Apes" franchise... he's got the jawline of an Orangutan.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:58 | 5027572 29.5 hours
29.5 hours's picture is probably best not to misspell "consummate" while doing such excellent graphics work...




Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:25 | 5027096 john39
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AI trolls and israeli college students paid for by the american tax payer....

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:29 | 5027112 Abitdodgie
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Save Gaza shoot a Zoinist. I am sure most Jews would agree.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:29 | 5027416 PT
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So instead of bombing Gaza, why don't the Zionist's just take control of the bank of Gaza, lend out bucket loads of money, inflate the price of real estate and send the Palestinians bankrupt and then repossess the land that way just like they do everywhere else in the world?  Oh, that's right, Muzzies don't like interest.  Coming to think of it, neither do the Jews.

Deuteronomy 23:19

 19"You shall not charge interest to your countrymen: interest on money, food, or anything that may be loaned at interest. 20"You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess

Guess that just leaves silly ol' Christians and atheists, perhaps also Hindus and Buddhists (I haven't read their stuff so I don't know).

errr, that's all I know.  I might be an idiot.  Feel free to enlighten me.  Thanks.  Much appreciated.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:48 | 5027504 Duffy
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the core of Judaism's religious texts [irrespective of whether or not the average Jewish bear who isn't especially religious knows or cares] are incredibly ethnocentric and xenophobic, as well as unabashedly violent, in a way that's shocking if you actually take the time to read them.

The apologetics generally stress that it either wasn't God himself but a particular leader, or if it plainly was God, it was specific and limited to, say, genocide against a particular group who dared to have developed a civilization on land the Hebrews coveted - but most of the apologetics are horseshit, meant to whitewash was is clearly an ethos of treating non-Hebrews in a far worse way.


Love your neighbor originally meant "your fello Jew" - Christ's sermons were about, in large part, arguing for a universalist message.  Ditto the good Samaritan story...Sermon on he Mount - all that peace and love shit the Xian Zios never seem to reference.


Anyway, the Koran is also replete with calls to violence against infidels -

The difference is, you can bash Islam all day long and no one will call you an "anti-Semite" and summon Hitler/Nazis, etc.

The basic idea is that Judaism is this wonderful, beautiful religon that should be above criticism.  Neither is true.  All dogmatic religions are dangerous - but its worth bearing in mind - Jews have been every bit as violent as Muslims when they had the power to be.

Most Js are good people precisely because they don't take the texts seriouslyor literally.

And if Islam were really as violent as the Fox news crowd says, if even 0.01% of the world's 1.3 BILLION Muslims were interested in jihad - the world would be constantly on fire, everywhere.

Meanwhile - there's only 17 million Jews. Look at the Bolshviks, look at the Donmeh turks and the Armenian Genocide.  Look at Lebanon and Gaza.

All in all I'd say Jews-as-Jews have killed more human beings than Muslims-as-Muslims, while warmongers and colonialists who were nominally Christian have killed the most of all.


Anyway, if you have never actually read Deuteronomy - or Leviticus or Joshua or Judges...  why not put it on your list.  Shit is crazy, yo. We're just not supposed to say so because, you know...  Jewish... 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:12 | 5027569 PT
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I blame a lot of violence, in that area of the world, on hot weather ( encouraging bad temperament ), hunger, and that really thick coffee that they drink that is bound to have you full of intense energy and bouncing off of walls.

Give 'em weak coffee, a full belly and air-conditioning and they might still get annoyed, but they'll do something about it next week ... if there's nothing good on the telly.

Again, just broadcasting my ignorance here.  I really got no idea.


EDIT:  Of course, watching friends and family get mutilated and blown away doesn't help either.  That shit tends to become self-sustaining.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:06 | 5027612 Kirk2NCC1701
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Some sources -- Jewish sources -- think that Deuteronomy is a fake/fraud and was used to rewrite whole sections of the Old Testament.

But then, entire sections of OT has been rewritten at several periods and by several authors.  So that hardly qualifies what these days is called "Traceability Compliance".  Treat it more as a series of ancient Marvel Comic books, than scientifically-compliant historic records.

Not all Jews are alike in their worldview, not by a long shot. There is a large variation, just as there is among "Christians".  After all, Hitler and his ilk were Catholic/Christian, and the head-chopping Mexican drug lords are "Catholic"... so you have to take the "religious" label/component with a shovel of salt, and focus on their political (economic and social) worldview.  And yet you would not compare them to Mother Theresa.  IOW, don't get too 'wrapped up' with the packaging and label, which is for marketing and for show.  It's what's Inside that matters.  Likewise, there is a large variation of social, political and philosophical/religious views among Israelis, as there is among "Americans".  Both are countries, where Globalist extremists/ideologues have quietly hijacked the government and key elements of the judiciary and media.

It is more accurate, smarter, shrewder and politically FAR more effective to use what I call "political semantics" in identifying and talking about "the enemy of mankind", by calling them Globalists, Global Zionists, Extreme Zionists, NWO types -- which are all political labels and thus 'fair game' -- than by any ethnic, religious or other labels that get turned around and that put YOU on the defensive.  Also, please note that Palestinians are Semites also, so it's totally false/deceptive when a Globalist uses the term "antisemitic".  Anti-Zionist?  Yes.  Antisemitic?  No!  Got it?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:47 | 5028117 TeethVillage88s
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You made 2 points that were on my mind. PLO is Semitic. And Jews can be on the left & the right and sometimes probably both the left & the right.

Maybe it is more generic to call things & people "Fascist" when that is the case. And to bring up the problems with US Capitalism & Our Military Republic. Maybe that is my solution.

I'm still working on how to talk about the Masonic influence in our Military & Government and how to answer to the charge that secret organizations with Fascist ideas and foreign ties may have control over our economy & government.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:31 | 5028019 TeethVillage88s
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Federal Funds Rate from the Federal Reserve is .1 today.

Effective Federal Funds Rate
2014-06: 0.10 Percent (+ see more)
Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, FEDFUNDS, Updated: 2014-07-10

But I check a couple of cards first is over 15% and second is over 20%.


We should do more favors for our US Bankers or Quasi-US Bankers. Patriots? Naw. But let's give them anything they want so we can expand Federal Budget Spending and put Fraudulent Data in the FRED Database on GDP.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:21 | 5027267 Cacete de Ouro
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Actually, a lobbyist called William Daroff may have had something to do with the AP tweet change

@Daroff tweeted this, 5 minutes after the original AP tweet, and it looks suspiciously like the AP revision


Who is Daroff?

Senior Vice President for Public Policy & Director of the Washington office of The Jewish Federations of North America (@JFederations). RT ? endorsement.
Washington, DC

You need to see his tweets to get a sense of the smug asshole we're dealing with here.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:25 | 5027675 Kirk2NCC1701
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Per my research and knowledge of a good number of Jews and Israelis, I'd argue that these are all Globalist/International Zionists, with tons of Sayanim in a number of Western countries, but especially the US.  For basic info, see... 

It is not a coincidence that BB/Nuttynyahoo is so hawkish.  He comes from a line of Globalist/Revisionist Zionists (father and his father). 

Now... having said this, it is EQUALLY true that there are equally or more extremist/fanatical ideologues in the Muslim faith (Sunnis, Wahhabists), and that many are among the Palestinians as well as Iraqis, Saudis, Yemeni, etc.  There will therefore be NO peace until the world as a whole decides to "contain" said fanatics on all sides.  But, before that happens, we have to ID and eliminate said extremist ideologues from our respective governments.  Easier said than done.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:20 | 5029473 Cacete de Ouro
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Yes, to me it is obvious that William Daroff was responsible for initiating pressure on AP to send out a revised tweet. A few linguistic friends have now analyzed the similarity of the wording of the Daroff tweet vs the revised AP tweet. For example, his use of the word 'lawmakers' gives this away since it was not in the original AP tweet, but was in the Daroff tweet 5 minutes later, and then miraculously appeared in the revised AP tweet.

Can William Daroff refute this accusation? What was he doing from 11.00am until 3.40pm on the day in question?

Be very suspicious of this dangerous individual William Daroff. He appears to be a snake amongst snakes.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:18 | 5027063 Ghordius
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LOL too. though stupidity fights for that top spot, too

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:22 | 5027080 _disengage_
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Smart marketing = public relations = propaganda = conspiracy?

It all seems like the same to me. Some people conspired to lead their audience for whatever ends.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:51 | 5027523 Golden Rule
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Hilarious how the left, at least the puppeteers, are mainly Zios and yet they play this game as though they are against Israhell.  Divide and conquer!  The great thing is there has been a shift in the evangelicals on the right especially among the younger generation to question the ridiculous blind support they give to the Zios.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:16 | 5027038 nuclearsquid
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They dragged their smug feet for almost 5 hours, so damage done.  


Can someone explain to me though?  I thought joos controlled the media.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:18 | 5027059 BigJim
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You're right, it's amazing it took them 5 hours to get it 'corrected'.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:31 | 5027107 Davalicious
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There are few Jews and Shabaz Goy. Normally there are so few slips, as the press and academia are self censoring, they can handle them. But this scale of murder in Gaza has the monkeys rattling their cages. Jews are supposed to be sensitive and especially moral (according to their mouth pieces). Leftist stooges are now experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to resolve earlier Jewish propaganda with what obvious cunts Jews are in reality.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:41 | 5027158 BigJim
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'Jews' aren't cunts. I know quite a few and count some of my dearest friends amongst them*.

ZIONISTs are cunts, whether they're Jewsih, Christian, or Luciferian.

*Always makes me laugh how 'some of my best friends are xxxx' is taken as evidence the speaker is actually prejudiced against xxxx. Presumably if the speaker had answered, 'no, I don't have any xxxx friends', that would be taken as evidence they were prejudiced too. Look! He won't befriend xxxx! What a bigot!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:11 | 5027321 Davalicious
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Near total Jewish support for Israel across the globe illustrates the Jewish problem. Their only nation and loyalty is Israel.  They undermine any host society. They are parasites.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:36 | 5027457 BigJim
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There have been plenty of Jews protesting what Israel are doing. And some of the most staunch, well known, and effective critics of Israel are Jews - Chomsky, Finkelstein, Rothbard...

I agree many Jews are incapable of looking at Israel dispassionately, but so are Americans when it comes to America.

And may I remind you that America is parasitising the rest of the world through their reserve currency?

We're not talking Gomorrah here, where 100% of the people deserve damnation.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:02 | 5027589 Davalicious
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Here is the compromise. We consign them all to the purifying flames and let god decide. Its the only way to be sure... :-;

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:08 | 5027616 BigJim
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Ah, now I see. You're a psychopath.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:28 | 5027396 Againstthelie
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The usual BS for stupid Goyim. As if individual nobodies would matter in politics or economy.

Show me the Hollywood movies against Israel.

Show me the newspapers.

Show me the TV and radio stations.

Show me the Icahns and Soros spending their wealth to fight Israel and help the Palestinians.

Show me the Jews in politics all over the world, demanding UN sanctions being respected, demanding to stop the support for the criminal Jewish state, demanding embargoes.


If I know a tame jackal, does this have ANY significance?

It's nothing but the old Jewish trick to bring up single examples to confuse the naive and stupid Goyim, that the gentiles no longer look at the mathematical evidence, the statistics, the overwhelming facts!

If it fits they are "only a religion" and in the next minute they are a people. In one minute they are a nation, and in the next minute they are individuals, having nothing in common with "the Jews" as group.


Poor stupid Goyim.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:45 | 5027491 BigJim
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I can't believe I'm having to argue this here. Anti-Semites are as hateful as Zionists.

Listen, chump, pointing out that powerful Zionists pretty much rule the West, and that many (most?) of them are Jews, doesn't prove that all Jews are bad, particularly when one remembers that these 'elites' comprise a tiny percentage of the Jews' numbers, as well.

And how did they get to where they are today, and stay there? Not because of the complicity of the 'everyday Jew', but the everyday non-Jew.

Railing against all Jews is ignoring the fact that the real problem is the vast majority of goy.

Or are you too partisan to admit that, goyboy?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:15 | 5027650 A82EBA
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^^^^^^this post needs more upvotes

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:20 | 5027667 FeralSerf
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There is no group that is more anti-Semitic than the Zionists. Zionists are right now, at this very minute, doing their damnedest to kill and otherwise ethnically cleanse unarmed innocent Semite Palestinians in Gaza.

Not all Jews are Zionists. Most Jews are not ethnically Semitic; they are ethnically eastern European -- Ashkanazi or Kazarian. Judaism is just a conveniently adopted, but largely ignored, religion for the Ashkenazim. In reality, most of them are really atheists.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:29 | 5028347 TeethVillage88s
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Maybe the Zios turned their anger inward and became tribal fascists.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 18:33 | 5029814 FeralSerf
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Maybe it's just an example of Jooish business practices, i.e. armed robbery. It's worked so far in Palestine. Why wouldn't it work again?

There's lots of gas offshore Gaza. And Europe is just a (future) pipeline away.

Why would the Zionists share any of the money with anyone else, especially the owners?

The Palestinians just need to leave. It would be best if they leave in wooden boxes never to be heard from again. It's as simple as that.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:07 | 5027887 Kirk2NCC1701
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BigJim, I concur and I'd argue that... not only are these people Ignoramuses or Bigots, but they may very well be Global Zionist shills/agents, who deliberately wrap themselves in the Jewish or Israeli flag -- just as 'Christian' Globalists or Atheist Globalists wrap themselves in the American flag.  I suspect they use them as "Flags of Convenience".

I sincerely hope that ZHers with an IQ greater than room temperature can differentiate this -- rather than allow themselves to be sucked into false paradigms, false semantics and false arguments.

In the final analysis, IMHO, it always comes down to what fundamental human and political Rights a person believes in and how other people have the same rights.  If someone has Absolutist views on the rights of "only their kind" (their group, tribe or religion), then they are dangerous fanatics -- who should not be allowed to wrap themselves in any "Flag of Convenience", much less allowed to leverage the resources and wealth of those outside their kind.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:56 | 5028166 BigJim
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Yes, there is an increasing whiff of agent provocateur around here.

I suspect most of the anonymous greens being given to genuinely anti-semitic posts are there for the purpose of 'proving' how anti-semitic ZH is. Some of the posts strike me that way as well.

And people don't believe in 'evil'.

Yes, the golden rule is, in the end, the only rule. "Do not do unto others that which is hateful unto you - that is the whole Torah'. I guess these people have decided that only applies to members of their own group. And I daresay the boundaries of that group can shrink radically any time one of them appears to be going off reservation.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:35 | 5028378 TeethVillage88s
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Trolls may only want to turn discussion from "Truth" or anything close to the truth. But Agents Provocateurs are an old FBI trick that probably has expanded to most federal mil or security agencies.

But I actually know people with big mouths that never research or see the other side.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:06 | 5028568 Kirk2NCC1701
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"I suspect most of the anonymous greens being given to genuinely anti-semitic posts are there for the purpose of 'proving' how anti-semitic ZH is."

You know, that never occurred to me till you just mentioned it.  It would therefore make sense as to why Tyler wants to keep things from getting too out of hand, lest the entire ZH site get stigmatized then marginalized. 

IOW, we owe it to ourselves to keep the tone and semantics "above the belt" -- to further not only ZH and everything it stands for, but for the sake of libertarianism and Free Speech.  And to thus, hopefully, help improve our little corner of the world.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:33 | 5027435 bullchit
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They're busy right now....


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:30 | 5027115 william114085
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"I thought joos controlled the media."


goy tweeter 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:31 | 5027123 _disengage_
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The Jews in charge of the media are throwing the guy-on-the-street Jews under the bus. Just like last time! "No we won't go ANYWHERE but Palestine. No USA, no Switzerland, no, no, no. I don't care that Jews are being killed, Palestine or NO DEAL!"

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:38 | 5027450 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Where is Adolf Hitler when you need him to have peaceful talks with the Zionists in front of the warm ovens at Auschwitz Dance Club

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027042 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Zionists running the world to the ground.  I hope Putin nukes their rear ends!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:11 | 5028616 Kirk2NCC1701
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If you're gonna be (hopefully) sarcastic or surreal, how about we switch over to Comedy Central?

Here's a funny clip from Jon Stewart and his Daily Show, that even Haaretz found funny:

“Why we need to talk about Israel, but can’t”:

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 04:49 | 5031623 PT
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"Sorry.  This video is unavailable from your location."

The internet is freeeeee and uncensored!!!

Ummmm, why we can't watch the video that sez we need to talk about Israel but can't ...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027043 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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A prime example of vested interests, and the gradual decay of ethics they bring with them.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:17 | 5027055 Shizzmoney
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This sounds more likely.

ANY PR is better than NO PR

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:30 | 5027114 samcontrol
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or anybody should put the link up of the UN rep who breaks down in an interview . He doesn,t seem very happy.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:14 | 5027453 Cacete de Ouro
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Chris Gunness of UNRWA breaks down crying during interview.

A brave man in Gaza

UNRWA = United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:34 | 5028795 Kirk2NCC1701
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FYI... Paul Craig Roberts "USA Traitors AIPAC, Zionist Loyal to Israel - USA Hijacked"

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:00 | 5028824 Kirk2NCC1701
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An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel

Miko Peled ("The General's Son") was born in Jersusalem into a famous and influential Israeli Zionist family. His father was a famous General in the Israeli Army, of which Miko also served his time. When Miko's niece was killed by Palestinian suicide bombers, you may have expected the family to put Palestinians at fault, but surprisingly they blamed the state of Israel, and their violent torturing and persecution for driving people to such sadness that they would take their own lives.

Through his father's deep knowledge of the Israeli war of terror, together with his own research, Miko Peled ruins the myths surrounding the Israel and Palestine situation, and delivers a truth so damning that many Jews and Israel supporters will not be able to bear it. He reveals facts such as the original expelled Jews are not the ones returning, and they are not their descendants either, covers the double standards regarding the right of return, which doesn't apply to Palestinians, and dispels the myth that there has been a conflict for ages by producing proof that it was peaceful up until 1947 when Israel launched their illegal attacks.

Miko is just one of the many modern day Jews against a Zionist (fascist, racist) state of Israel, wants it replaced with a Democratic state of Israel (for Jews and Palestinians). The information he delivers in this astounding talk, it is not difficult to see why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the dismantling of Israel. It is a true eye-opener for anyone who has for too long been blinded by the fake misinformation given by the mainstream media, and the truths come straight from the heartland where he has spent many years documenting the real story.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:57 | 5027556 dumbStruck
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For your viewing pleasure !

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:53 | 5027226 Seek_Truth
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Very clear who is the puppet and who the puppeteer.

'To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.' - Voltaire

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:13 | 5027029 Greenskeeper_Carl
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no shit. Elections are a couple short months away, let the pander-fest begin. All these  people are just whores, and they have to remind everyone how much they love isreal. For some stupid ass reason, thats a key part of getting elected to public office, so they gotta go around sucking off the isreali lobby.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:55 | 5027308 cowdiddly
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Rand Paul floored the 498million dollar Israel military support bill just days ago with voting of unanimous approval. so they unanimously approve of this type of genocide and are funding it.

I voted for your daddy sonny, but Rand you are a piece of dog shit and Ron should have flushed you down the toilet.

If they hold office now, vote All of em out, every last one of them.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:57 | 5027787 Miss Expectations
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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:13 | 5027934 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'd love to be at the dinner table with Rand and Paul, or when they have a real 1:1.

Rand made such a dramatic 180, that I have to wonder "Why?"  What bribe, 'story' or threat was offered, to make him turn so dramatically? 

/ That Kool Aid must have had one helluva kick, if "Alien implants" were not used. /sarc

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:50 | 5028137 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I agree. Ron is the only politician I have ever given money to. I can tell you why rand changed his position on this. Rand, like Ron did, wants to be president. The difference is that Ron refused to change his position based on the prevailing public opinion, or what was demanded by the party. Many surveys in 08 and 12 found that while many people agreed 100% with him on domestic, monetary, fiscal policy, etc, he lost a huge chunk of republicans on the foreign policy issues. Many advisors and others urged him to soften his stance to appeal to a wider range of people, but he refused, which is why I like him so much. I still wear my 'end the fed' shirt all the time,( mostly just cuz the weird looks I sometimes get amuse me). But rand is more like your average politician, he will bend to the will of those around him, and the party bosses because he knows he won't get through the nomination without them. Unlike his dad, he WILL compromise his principles. I highly doubt he actually agrees with this Israel aid bill, not that he agrees with what isreal is doing right now, based on the environment he was raised in as his fathers son. But, he is squishy just like the rest of them, and is pandering so he can say he always backed isreal come election time. It's disgusting. How an AMERICAN politician can't get elected to national office without backing these genocidal Israelis is mind boggling. Just don't get why so man Americans feel like isreal gets a pass on everything

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027032 IANAE
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...the decline in english language grammar in recent years has been stunning.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:35 | 5027142 IridiumRebel
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Its gramar. Lern to spell,

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:45 | 5027189 pods
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Your tredding on some thin ice they're mate!


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:04 | 5027282 PT
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My grammar's with my grampa.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:27 | 5027705 FeralSerf
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It's "tu". Lern tu spel.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:36 | 5027143 Rock On Roger
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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027033 icanhasbailout
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both the before AND after tweets are propaganda... looks like a little retraining in the Ministry of Information needs to be scheduled

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:17 | 5027049 BigJim
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You're right, 'fall over each other' doesn't quite capture the urgency with which 'our' representative rush to affirm their fealty to Israel.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5027090 icanhasbailout
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Unless they are literally falling over each other, a figurative turn of phrase like that belongs in an op-ed feed, not a news feed.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:43 | 5027178 BigJim
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You get greenie from me for that clarification :-)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027039 Kreditanstalt
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No one stops to ask WHO is occupying WHOSE land in all this...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:19 | 5027061 john39
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a pic is worth a thousand words:

instead the zios want to start the story at the hamas bottle rockets...   

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:32 | 5027125 icanhasbailout
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You would think the pic would be an object lesson in why you don't start a war if you can't finish it.


Muslim Arabs and Jews in those territories have an existential conflict, which is more driven by the Koran than all other factors combined. One group or the other will not make it into the next century, and if I had to pick one to survive, I find Israel more palatable than their opponents, and believe it is in the US' national interest that the situation resolve itself with that end.


The creed of Muhammad is a particularly brutal, savage, and merciless one, and if it exists at all, you are better off with them having someone else as their prime target.


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:41 | 5027169 Al Huxley
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If you want to see 'brutal, savage, and merciless' check out the Red Cross reports from the 30s on the massacres of arab/palestinian villages by early jewish settlers clearing the way for the eventual establishment of Israel.  It's not widely reported, because it really fucks up the official story, but everything's on public record.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:47 | 5027194 icanhasbailout
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If you think anything can one-up the savagery detailed in the Hadiths, you are not well-informed.


Also, by resorting to emotional arguments, you effectively admit that you know the case you are trying to make isn't all that well-grounded.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:55 | 5027235 Al Huxley
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Took the 'brutal, savage, and merciless' straight from your post, but mine's resorting to 'emotional arguments' and yours isn't? 


And HAVE you read the Red Cross reports from the 30's  Because if you haven't then maybe you should do some additional research before talking about people being 'not well-informed'.  Well, unless you just have a particular ax to grind and are more interested pimping a particular storyline than raising awareness about the history of the region, in that case, carry on, you're doin' great!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:04 | 5027281 icanhasbailout
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Seems pimping of storylines is occurring yes, but not the one you have in mind.


These same Muslim Arabs, given the freedom to act as they choose, are presently engaged in a full-blown democide against non-Muslims in Syria and Iraq. If you're bitching about Israel's actions and not also bitching 10x as loud against the much larger situation just to the northeast, you have very narrow vision indeed.


I also don't get at all this fanatic devotion to Sykes-Picot or its consequences. If you want the world map fixed at a specific date, state the date.


It's easy to complain about the current situation, but finding an actual realistic and superior alternative is another task entirely.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:20 | 5027359 john39
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you shall know them by their actions.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:20 | 5027361 Ignatius
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You're so level headed and rational.  I wanna have your baby.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:21 | 5027367 BigJim
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Well, see here's why we don't spend our time bitching about the evil Muslims. Their sponsors weren't double-dealing 'ol Wilson to get the US into WWI so Balfour would promise them something that wasn't his; Muslims don't have 'our' representatives falling over each other to reaffirm their alliegance to another country's well being; Muslims aren't jumping down everyones throats everytime someone criticises ISIS; Muslims aren't relying on our taxes to violently ethnically cleanse the people who lived somewhere for 1400 years on the grounds that the land is actually theirs because a few of their (alleged) ancestors lived there 1400 years ago.

Oh wait! I was kinda wrong about that last bit... turns out are taxes ARE going to support that MUSLIM ethnic cleansing, because the non-MUSLIMS who have hijacked our polity are following Oded Yinon's advice and trying to destroy any functioning state in the region that is hostile to... Israel.

There. Does that clear it up for you?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:32 | 5027431 icanhasbailout
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I don't spend my time bitching about evil Muslims. But the anti-Israel/Jew obsession here has really gone far beyond what is supported by an evenhanded analysis of the facts. An evenhanded analysis shows that the Muslims have nothing to recommend them.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:49 | 5027510 BigJim
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I just gave you a long list of things that recommend them - ie, they're not screwing the life out of us like Zionists are,

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:14 | 5027647 icanhasbailout
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I don't buy that it's "the Zionists" screwing us. That's bullshit, there are way too many things going on that "the Zionists" don't like that if they had that leverage would never be happening (e.g. hundreds of millions in US tax slave blood going to Hamas).


Correlation is not causation. There may be many in the elite class who are Zionists, but it's the elite class, and not "the Zionists", who are screwing us. Fueling a perpetual conflict is just a means to the elites' ends.


You seem to have a particular problem assimilating contradictory data into your hypothesis. Asserting that I'm some agent is a particularly hallucinatory accusation. I've got 7 years of comments that are inconsistent with your assertion that any person could trivially find with Google, including years on ZH.


Revise your theories if you wish to have accurate forward expectations.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:33 | 5027689 BigJim
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 I don't buy that it's "the Zionists" screwing us. That's bullshit, there are way too many things going on that "the Zionists" don't like that if they had that leverage would never be happening (e.g. hundreds of millions in US tax slave blood going to Hamas).

And what happens if Mossad's child, Hamas, collapses? What would the Israeli elites use as an excuse not to come to a peace deal with the Palestinians and stop their inexorable seizure of Palestinian land?

Hamas are a godsend to Zionism. Hey! Look at the evil Islamists! They've vowed to destroy Israel! We mustn't drop our guard or Israel will be lost!

You seem to have a particular problem assimilating contradictory data into your hypothesis.

Er, no, that would be YOU.

Asserting that I'm some agent is a particularly hallucinatory accusation. I've got 7 years of comments that are inconsistent with your assertion that any person could trivially find with Google, including years on ZH.

I see. So you've contributed seven years of such comments on this subject, have you, and, despite years of having your assertions refutated, are still trotting out the same nonsense? See, here's the thing; as your intelligence is not in question, that only leaves us your bona fides to ponder.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:16 | 5027336 I Write Code
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My recollection of this (when I read up on history of Israel like twenty years ago) is that there were a few small-scale attacks by Jews on Arabs, but they are utterly trivial compared to the massive attacks of Arabs on Jews documented in the major press at the time.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:00 | 5027256 p00k1e
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'brutal, savage, and merciless'


Who dropped depleted uranium on who, again?

Jew’s killed Whitey’s god.  LOL  Talk about 'brutal, savage, and merciless' - they killed GOD!!! 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:33 | 5028012 Kirk2NCC1701
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@john39: "a pic is worth a thousand words..."

Interesting, thanks.  But, you know... it also triggered another memory:  The memory of how the US (mostly Anglos, French and Dutch at first, and other Europeans later) pulled the same stunt in N.Am. (US and Canada), to "acquire" lands formerly occupied by Indigenous People. 

Looks like the White Jews (American and European Jews) learned well from American and British history, and we are now "calling the kettle black".  Awkward  :-/   "The truthiness... it burns us!"

p.s. Disclaimer: To my knowledge (going back 200 years), my ancestors were not part of any of the Colonizing nations.  We/I bought property from White people.  So I get a self-righteous, "sanctimonious pass".  ;-)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:35 | 5027139 icanhasbailout
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I am currently occupying Cherokee land. Many of the others here are occupying Sioux land.


Hope that clears it up for you.


(or maybe we can dispense with the silly idea that ethnicities own land by divine right, and deal with the brass tacks that owning land for real means being able to defend it from all comers)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:08 | 5027223 BigJim
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Yes, the treatment of the native Americans was an atrocity... a series of atrocities, rather; but it happened before living memory. The ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians has been going on within living memory, is happening today.

Furthermore, unlike the Palestinians, the modern-day Cherokee gets to vote in elections or can buy back his ancestral lands and can come and go within the rest of the US as s/he pleases.

If you think land ownership is all about 'might is right' then I guess you'll think it's fine if someone bigger and meaner than you, comes and kills you and half of your family in the middle of the night, and moves in? Or, more to the point, the rest of the neighbourhood sits around idly tutting at your son when your son tries to get your house back, and not only ignores it when your son gets shot throwing rocks at the robber from your old garden shed, but actually pats the robber on the back and gives him more bullets, and some money to spend on bullet-proof glazing?

I suspect your morality is rather partial.

(or maybe we can dispense with the silly idea that ethnicities own land by divine right, and deal with the brass tacks that owning land for real means being able to defend it from all comers)

lulz, isn't that exact sentiment the Zionists' chief claim to Palestinian land? That it is theirs by 'divine' right?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:16 | 5027341 icanhasbailout
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oooh they can vote in rigged elections and be assimilated tax-slaves for the very government that stole their land... what a deal they got. That should be reasonable compensation for having their entire way of life utterly and permanently destroyed!


> lulz, isn't the Zionists chief claim to Palestinian land that it is theirs by divine right?


Anyone thinking I'm arguing the Zionist position is totally not getting it. I am an American. I am advocating my best interests as an American, which including not seeing teeming masses of radicalized Muslims overrun the planet - there just aren't any god outcomes of that for me as a regular American Joe.  It totally benefits Americans to have Israel suck up that problem so we don't have to.


As a member of a Western civilization, it is not in my interests to have teeming masses of any kind of third-worlders expand their scope. To date this has resulted in the spread of disease, offshoring of essential components of our economy, enabled corporatism on a vast scale, saddled our country with a huge human-influx problem, and in general been a very bad thing for civilized folk. I really can't think of any good benefits to offset it.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:22 | 5027373 Ignatius
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Do they teach this level of bullshit, or did you earn a degree or such?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:29 | 5027418 BigJim
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He's not bad, is he? Quite sophisticated level of trickery compared to most of the Hasbara we're obliged to dispatch around here.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:33 | 5027440 icanhasbailout
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Is the idea of independent thought based on self-interest that inconceivable?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:50 | 5027519 BigJim
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No, just the idea that what you trot out is an example of that.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:56 | 5027555 icanhasbailout
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Well surprise, surprise, someone's thinking does not conform to your radically simplistic conception of the world.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:11 | 5027632 BigJim
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Yeeeeessss... because the various half-truths and sophistries you trot out are anything but simplistic. They'd kill us all at the first opportunity! Let the Israelis deal with the Muslimenace™ so we don't have to! etc.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:31 | 5027410 BigJim
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 oooh they can vote in rigged elections and be assimilated tax-slaves for the very government that stole their land... what a deal they got. That should be reasonable compensation for having their entire way of life utterly and permanently destroyed!

Yes, it's a shitty deal.. and it's STILL infintely better than what the Palestinians are getting. Hey, sophist - maybe you should have picked a better analogy?
Anyone thinking I'm arguing the Zionist position is totally not getting it. I am an American. I am advocating my best interests as an American, which including not seeing teeming masses of radicalized Muslims overrun the planet - there just aren't any god outcomes of that for me as a regular American Joe.  It totally benefits Americans to have Israel suck up that problem so we don't have to.

Ah, the old 'let Israel deal with the enemies of Western civilisation' gambit. Yes... so, you believe that if Israel wasn't regularly 'mowing the lawn' in Gaza, the Palestinians would be invading the US? Please.

As a member of a Western civilization, it is not in my interests to have teeming masses of any kind of third-worlders expand their scope. To date this has resulted in the spread of disease, offshoring of essential components of our economy, enabled corporatism on a vast scale, saddled our country with a huge human-influx problem, and in general been a very bad thing for civilized folk. I really can't think of any good benefits to offset it.

None of this justifies our continued sponsorship of Israel... whose underlying creed teaches them to loathes you every bit as much as any radical Muslim. Assuming, of course, that you really are just another regular... goy.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:48 | 5027507 icanhasbailout
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I don't think the US should sponsor Israel (or any other country).


At the same time, I don't get at all the fashion of putting oneself out for people who would kill you at the first opportunity.


This situation would look a LOT different if the US wasn't sponsoring both sides. Why would the uber-Zionists who are alleged to control the US government permit billions to go to Israel's enemies? Why would they send Kerry to Israel with a document that amounted to surrender terms?


Reducing the situation to mere Zionism and effects thereof doesn't mesh with the facts. There is a lot more going on here.


Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:16 | 5027584 BigJim
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 At the same time, I don't get at all the fashion of putting oneself out for people who would kill you at the first opportunity.

Has it occured to you maybe you've got the order of events backwards? That maybe the reason they'd kill us 'at the first opportunity*' is because we've been putting ourselves out for those who kill them at the first opportunity?

 This situation would look a LOT different if the US wasn't sponsoring both sides. Why would the uber-Zionists who are alleged to control the US government permit billions to go to Israel's enemies?

What, like Egypt? Besides giving the Egyptian military regime a $1.5b incentive (and the means) to crack down on the Israel-loathing Muslim brotherhood? And to persuade them to keep the Rafah crossing shut?

*Isn't it odd how plenty of Christians seem to get in and out of the Palestinian territories without getting themselves killed 'at the first opportunity'? Along with the millions of infidel tourists who visit Muslim countries unscathed every year? Maybe you need to re-examine some of your 'facts' there, bud... or maybe that was a slip? They really would kill you at the first opportunity because you're not actually an American, but a serving member of the IDF?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:46 | 5027192 Grinder74
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The Arabs are occupying Israel's land that was stolen from them and destroyed by the Roman Empire.  If they all hate Israel's current borders so much, I'm sure they'd love to put them back as they were in 70 AD.  Hint: Jerusalem was entirely contained within Judea.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:54 | 5027234 BigJim
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Why stop at 70AD? Let's wind the clock back to when the Jebusites owned the place.

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