The West's Reckless Rush Towards War With Russia

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Submitted by Chris Martenson via Peak Prosperity,

For reasons that have no rational explanations at this time, the US and Europe have embarked on a concerted program to demonize Putin, ostracize Russia, and bring the world as close to a major conflict as it's been since the Cold War, a time hardly memorable to many in the current crop of our elected officials.

Within hours of the MH-17 plane crash, the United States pinned the blame on Russia generally, and Putin particularly. The anti-Putin propaganda (and if there were a stronger term I'd use it) has been relentless and almost comically over-the-top (see image above, and those below).

The US and the UK in particular, are leading the charge. Indeed, the UK's Daily Mail managed to crank out an article on the MH-17 affair within just a few hours on the very same day it occurred with this headline:

The blood on Putin's hands...

Jul 17, 2014


The world may have averted its gaze towards Israel and Gaza, but this week the rumbling warfare in eastern Ukraine has been erupting into something growing daily more dangerous.


Meanwhile the Russian bear, still pretending to be an innocent party despite blood dripping from its paws, has begun stealthily rebuilding its forces on the border.


Now we may well have witnessed the kind of shocking event that happens when heavy armaments are placed in the hands of untrained and desperate militias.

That's really an amazing piece of journalism to have managed to have figured out the who, the what and the why of a major catastrophe without the benefit of any evidence or investigation.  One wonders who the author's source was for obtaining what have become very crisp talking points that both the US and Europe are echoing as they exert increasing pressure on Russia?

Nearly two weeks later, neither the US nor Europe has provided substantial evidence of any sort to support their assertions that Ukrainian separatists and/or Russia are to blame for the MH-17 catastrophe. There's literally been nothing. 

In the meantime, very important questions surrounding the shoot-down have gone entirely unaddressed by US officials and the western media. Why? Perhaps because they raise the possibility that there could be an alternative explanation:

So far, the entire case made by the US State Department and Obama administration boils down to a few highly-questionable social media clips gathered right after the incident, plus several out-of-date low-resolution satellite photos taken from a private company (DigitalGlobe) along with a bevy of 'trust us' statements.

Nonetheless, despite the lack of solid, verified and credible evidence, the current narrative has now been embedded firmly in the media cycle and nearly everyone on the streets of the US, UK and most European nations will tell you that Putin and/or Russia was responsible. 

Similarly, in 2007, years after all the facts were verified and known, when asked  "Do you think Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001?"  41% of Americans answered 'yes' when the proper answer was (and remains) 'Absolutely not.'

It's a fact of modern life that most people really don't pay close attention to important world events. Due to that lack of engagement, even the most patently obvious lies can quickly become entrenched in the public mind as truth if touted by mainstream news outlets. 

Here now in July 2014, there is a rush towards war similar to those that proceeded Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. Important questions are not being asked by the media, our once again missing-in-action fourth estate, and unsubstantiated and unverified political talking points are simply being reprinted as facts.

But this time the war fervor is being directed at a nuclear powerhouse, not a derelict Middle East country. And the stakes could hardly be higher. For Europe, even if things don't progress much further than they already have, economic damage (we don't know how much yet, or how much worse it may get) has already been done to its fragile recovery. The people of Europe really ought to be asking what exactly they're hoping to achieve by attempting to box Putin into a corner. 

After all, that might not even be possible. He enjoys an 83% approval rating in Russia, a level beyond the fantasies of most western politicians, plus his country supplies a vast amount of Europe's natural gas and a hefty percentage of the world's exported oil. Temporary loss of either would be a painful body blow to Europe, while a sustained loss of oil exports would be crippling to the world at large.

In all of the thousands of column inches I've read demonizing Putin over the developments in Ukraine and MH-17, I've yet to identify a single compelling answer to this question: What vital US interest is at stake if Russia keeps Crimea and helps to defend the Russian-speaking people along its border?  To my knowledge, it's not yet been articulated by anyone at the State Department or White House. 

At this stage, all we know is: the West thinks that Russia is bad, and Putin is worse. But, given the stakes involved, we all deserve to know more than that.  A lot more.  We deserve proper and complete answers.

There's a lot of context to this story. It involves broken promises, desirable resources, power plays, and a dangerous lack of diplomatic sophistication by the current US administration.

Diplomacy and Statesmanship

My greatest concern in seeing the this rush towards judgment before the facts are in -- or worse -- war, is that the people running the show in the White House and the US State Department are not cut from the same cloth as the old-school diplomats that preceded them.

After all, extremely dangerous conflicts transpired in the past (the Cuban Missile crisis, anyone?) and yet talks between sides were held and resolutions reached, preventing the more dire of outcomes from coming to pass. 

In that spirit, I found this recent piece by Pat Buchanan (someone I've not always agreed with in the past), to be spot on:

Is Putin Worse Than Stalin?


When then did this issue of whose flag flies over Donetsk or Crimea become so crucial that we would arm Ukrainians to fight Russian-backed rebels and consider giving a NATO war guarantee to Kiev, potentially bringing us to war with a nuclear-armed Russia?


From FDR on, U.S. presidents have felt that America could not remain isolated from the rulers of the world's largest nation.

Ike invited Khrushchev to tour the USA after he had drowned the Hungarian Revolution in blood. After Khrushchev put missiles in Cuba, JFK was soon calling for a new detente at American University.


Within weeks of Warsaw Pact armies crushing the Prague Spring in August 1968, LBJ was seeking a summit with Premier Alexei Kosygin.


After excoriating Moscow for the downing of KAL 007 in 1983, that old Cold Warrior Ronald Reagan was fishing for a summit meeting.


The point: Every president from FDR through George H. W. Bush, even after collisions with Moscow far more serious than this clash over Ukraine, sought to re-engage the men in the Kremlin.


Whatever we thought of the Soviet dictators who blockaded Berlin, enslaved Eastern Europe, put rockets in Cuba and armed Arabs to attack Israel, Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush 1 all sought to engage Russia's rulers.


Avoidance of a catastrophic war demanded engagement.


How then can we explain the clamor of today's U.S. foreign policy elite to confront, isolate, and cripple Russia, and make of Putin a moral and political leper with whom honorable statesmen can never deal?


That's really an amazing piece of context. Past US presidents managed to hold dialogs with Stalin, who killed millions, and Khrushchev, who directly threatened the US with nuclear missiles.

What exactly has Putin done to surpass the excesses of past Russian/Soviet leaders? What the US still refers to as the "illegal annexation of Crimea" was actually the result of a heavy turn-out vote by the Crimean people where 97% of the votes cast were in favor of rejoining Russia.

So, to recap, Crimea's people voted overwhelmingly to shape their future in the way they best saw fit, and not one life was lost during the annexation. That sounds pretty peaceful and democratic if you ask me. What would Washington DC prefer? To undo that particular vote and have the people of Crimea be forcibly reunited with Ukraine? For what purpose? To prevent map makers from having to once again redraw Ukraine's wandering borders?

More likely -- and this is the part that concerns me -- is that the current people in power in Washington DC are just not the equals of the statesmen of old.

In researching this piece, I came across this 1998 interview with George Kennan that I found both illuminating and troubling:

His voice is a bit frail now, but the mind, even at age 94, is as sharp as ever. So when I reached George Kennan by phone to get his reaction to the Senate's ratification of NATO expansion it was no surprise to find that the man who was the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union and one of the great American statesmen of the 20th century was ready with an answer.


''I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,'' said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home.


''I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO expansion] was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.''


''What bothers me is how superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was,'' added Mr. Kennan, who was present at the creation of NATO and whose anonymous 1947 article in the journal Foreign Affairs, signed ''X,'' defined America's cold-war containment policy for 40 years.


''I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe. Don't people understand? Our differences in the cold war were with the Soviet Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime.


''And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia,'' said Mr. Kennan, who joined the State Department in 1926 and was U.S. Ambassador to Moscow in 1952.


''It shows so little understanding of Russian history and Soviet history. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are -- but this is just wrong.''




As he said goodbye to me on the phone, Mr. Kennan added just one more thing: ''This has been my life, and it pains me to see it so screwed up in the end.''


The master statesman pretty much nailed it.  Instead of bringing Russia into the fold, a petulant strain of 'diplomacy' took over that goaded and threatened Russia and now we are, in fact, being treated to endless repetitions of oh you know - that's just how Russians are. Instead we might also note that the current debate seems superficial and ill-informed.

As I recently wrote in the piece on the Ukraine Flashpoint, the expansion of NATO to the east towards Russia happened even though the US had previously struck an explicit agreement not to progress any further. Not one inch, was the vow. That vow was consciously and repeatedly broken.  So who exactly is it that has cause not to trust the other?

The West had the opportunity to bring Russia and its extensive abilities and resources closer into partnership. But for some reason (Military industrial complex anyone?  Campaign contributions from same?), the decision was made during the Clinton administration to violate the NATO agreement instead and move many millions of inches eastward. 

The last encroachment both brought NATO right to Russia's borders and placed millions of culturally-Russian people under the heavy-handed rule of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.  Some of these same ultra-nationalists were caught on tape recommending that the 8 million Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine should be "nuked".

Perhaps an idle threat. However, one of the first actions of Kiev's new government this February was to immediately revoke legal equality for the use of Russian language:

Perhaps the most obvious of the new Kiev government's mistakes came last week, when deputies in the nationalist party Svoboda, or Freedom, pushed through the cancellation of a law that gave equal status to minority languages, such as Russian.

The previous law had allowed regions across the country to use languages other than the official national language, Ukrainian, on commercial signs, in schools and government documents. When it passed in 2012, it was seen as a victory for the areas where Russian was the dominant language, particularly in the east and south. 


Suffice it to say, there's a very long list of very good reasons why the Russian-speakers in the east of Ukraine might want nothing to do with being under the rule (thumb?) of western Ukraine.


Propaganda is information that is designed to mislead and provoke an emotional response. The covers of western newspapers and magazines have been absolutely choked with anti-Putin propaganda. After such yellow journalism, what sort of dialog, what rapprochement, can be proposed with Putin?

Would not Obama (or any other leader) be seen as 'siding with the enemy' if he engaged in dialog with Putin after all this?

That Newsweek cover with the darkened face and mushroom clouds reflected in the glasses is especially ominous.  Exactly what's the message being represented there? Well that's easy. It's Armageddon.

Before you take Newsweek's views too seriously, you need to know that the once respectable publication went through some hard times, went out of print for while, was bought and is now run by these folks:

Moonies, Messiahs and Media: Who Really Owns Newsweek?

Aug 4, 2013


On Saturday, news broke that IBT Media, a company that runs the online business (at least, in theory) newspaper International Business Times, had purchased Newsweek from IAC. So IBT Media now owns Newsweek. But exactly who controls IBT Media?


IBT Media’s corporate leadership site lists two cofounders: Etienne Uzac, the company’s CEO, and Johnathan Davis, its chief content officer.


But some say that the company is actually controlled by—or at least has very close undisclosed ties to—someone whose name appears nowhere on the site: David Jang, a controversial Korean Christian preacher who has been accused of calling himself “Second Coming Christ.”


Before founding IBT, Mr. Davis was the journalism director at Mr. Jang’s Olivet University


So Newsweek may or may not have a larger agenda to push beyond just getting the facts out. It's another case where knowing that an editorial slant exists can be helpful in maintaining a healthy stance of skepticism.  

But beyond Newsweek, the entire suite of publications ranging from the NYTimes, Washington Post, Financial Times, and nearly every other main pillar of the Fourth Estate have been running with the "Putin's responsible" meme.

And, it bears repeating, all without any solid evidence, none(!), plus a host of legitimate serious questions that are being met with zero investigative vigor by the mainstream media and complete radio silence from the government agencies that should be examining and addressing them.

This relentless campaign of propaganda directed against Russia (generally) and Putin (specifically) is now at a fever pitch. My caution to you is that you should be actively suspicious of any media outfit that chooses to run this propaganda.

Perhaps their travel and dining sections can be trusted; but I'd advise reading the front section with a huge grain of salt.

Poking the Bear

With all of that background, we're now at the point where we can understand just how annoyed Russia must be at the sanctions that have been recently levied against it, various of its industries, and in certain cases, specific wealthy and influential citizens.

Since the MH-17 downing and all of those resulting accusations of Russian responsibility, Russia has been accused of firing artillery and rockets across its border into Ukraine. The only "evidence" to this is the aforementioned crude satellite photos taken by a private company. These photos were then drawn upon (literally) to show trajectories the missiles *could* have followed. These very non-rigorous images were then tweeted out of the account of one Geoffrey Pyatt as hard fact. If his name isn't familiar to you, he's the US Ukrainian ambassador who was famously caught on tape with Victoria Nuland (Asst. Sec. of State) discussing the imminent coup against then-Ukrainian President Yanukovych.

Next, a western tribunal in The Hague suddenly ruled that the former shareholders of the dismantled Russian oil giant Yukos were entitled to $50 billion in compensation to be paid by the Russian government. Surprise!

In chilling response, a person close to Putin reportedly said,  “There is a war coming in Europe. Do you really think this matters?”

Following that,  the US accused Russia of violating the 1987 nuclear arms treaty by testing ground based missiles in...wait for it...2008. I'm sure the timing of this is in no way connected to the dust-up over Ukraine...

And most recently, both the US and the EU levied additional sanctions on Russia and certain Russian individuals:

Obama Joins Europe in Expanding Sanctions on Russia

Jul 29, 2014


WASHINGTON — President Obama announced expanded sanctions against Russia on Tuesday, just hours after the European Union imposed its most sweeping measures yet penalizing Moscow for its role in supporting separatists in neighboring Ukraine.


The latest American actions took aim at more Russian banks and a large defense firm, but they also went further than past moves by blocking future technology sales to Russia’s lucrative oil industry in an effort to inhibit its ability to develop future resources. The measures were meant to largely match those unveiled earlier in the day in Europe.


“Today is a reminder that the United States means what it says and we will rally the international community in standing up for the rights and freedom of people around the world,” Mr. Obama said on the South Lawn of the White House.


While one could be forgiven for thinking that the "rights and freedom of people" might include the freedom to vote for the future one wants, and the right not to be ruled over by people hostile to one's language and customs, apparently the Obama administration has other ideas for the people of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

The final act of hostility by the US towards Russia that bears mention here concerns a Senate bill introduced by the ranking member of the foreign relations committee, Sen. Bob Corker, that outlines what would happen if Russia does not 'comply' and leave Crimea and Ukraine entirely within seven days of the act's passage:

A GOP Ultimatum to Vlad

Jul 29, 2014


Corker’s bill would declare Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine “major non-NATO allies” of the United States, move NATO forces into Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, accelerate the building of an ABM system in Eastern Europe, and authorize U.S. intelligence and military aid for Ukraine’s army in the Donbass war with Russian-backed separatists.


U.S. aid would include antitank and antiaircraft weapons.


S. 2277 would direct the secretary of state to intensify efforts to strengthen democratic institutions inside the Russian Federation, e.g., subvert Vladimir Putin’s government, looking toward regime change.


If Putin has not vacated Crimea and terminated support for Ukraine’s separatist rebels within seven days of passage of the Corker Ultimatum, sweeping sanctions would be imposed on Russian officials, banks and energy companies, including Gazprom.


Economic relations between us would be virtually severed.


In short, this is an ultimatum to Russia that she faces a new Cold War if she does not get out of Ukraine and Crimea, and it is a U.S. declaration that we will now regard three more former Soviet republics – Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia – as allies.


Poor George Kennan. Once again the US Senate is operating without the benefit of either humility or historical perspective.

The people of Russia are not in any mood to be bullied by the US Senate, just as the US Senate would refuse to be dictated to by the Russian parliament.  That's just common sense.

It's completely obvious that the impact of any such Act passed by the US legislature would be to further erode, if not collapse, relations and economic ties between Russia and the US.

The main conclusion here is that not only is the US poking the bear, but it is doing so with increasing frequency and upping the ante dangerously with each step.

In Part 2: How The Coming Confrontation Will Unfold, we examine the most likely scenarios for where the current tensions between the West and Russia may head. Whichever path we head down, there will be at least some degree of pain experiences by the West, which Europe will feel first and worst (though the US will not be immune). And, sadly, it's safe to say that this East-West conflict will only accelerate the coming correction of the unstable over-leveraged, bubblicious world markets.

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)

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junction's picture

Putin has outsmarted Obummer and his CIA handlers so far.

Manthong's picture


Not E

This woman-to-man relationship is most like:

a.     Banker-to-government

b.    International Corporations -to-government

c.     Government-to -Mainstream Media

d.    Government-to-Citizens

e.    All of the above.

CH1's picture

The banks, politicians, MIC and Intel thugs are in charge. What could possibly go wrong?

Latina Lover's picture

The banksters that control USSA Inc. would love to steal all of Russia's Gas and Oil, turn the people into slaves and threaten China.  Everything else is noise.


All wars are bankster wars.

The Alarmist's picture

What, you didn't like the Google-Earth image proving the track of the fired SAM?

Anusocracy's picture

Well, the US was the aggressor during the Cold War.

Still the same.

disabledvet's picture

Meh, good for oligarchs on both sides.

"Ye olde diplomacy of yore!" argument rings a little hollow too.  They were lying sacks of shit in "the good old days" too.  The history of invasions of Russia aren't too good...even if they get off to a clever start as this one has. Having said that energy prices have been crushed since Day One of this thing.

Georgia_Boy's picture

Candidate Obama was going to hit the reset button on US Russia relations, right? Heckuva job barack.

0b1knob's picture

Yes just let them have Czeckoslovacia  Ukraine and we will have peace in our time  natural gas in Germany next winter.

Don't feed the bear.  It just causes more problems.

strannick's picture

Russia is spearheading the dollar destruction (well Putin along with Yellen). The dollar is the pillar of American Empire which makes Russia enemy #1. 

When critical mass forms on the dollar deluge, America gets swept away as surely and as swiftly as did the Soviet Union.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

I'm not sure why people still concern themselves with these legacy outlets. If Newsweek is owned by some midget Korean who thinks he's Jesus Christ, I don't think we have to worry much about them anymore.

Davalicious's picture

"For reasons that have no rational explanations at this time, the US and Europe have embarked on a concerted program to demonize Putin, ostracize Russia, and bring the world as close to a major conflict as it's been since the Cold War,"

It was the same story before WW2 when the Jews jailed many patriots who were trying to avoid war.

“From that time onwards I had a strong suspicion that there was some mysterious power at work behind the scenes controlling the actions of the figures visibly taking part in the government of the country. I had not the least idea whence this power emanated, nor could I gauge its influence. I was in far too humble a position to make such lofty discoveries. Still, the feeling persisted. We always vaguely referred to this hidden control amongst ourselves as ‘The Treasury.’”

Admiral Sir Barry Domville, RN. Assistant Secretary Imperial Defence Committee before the Great War.

The nameless war

Dolar in a vortex's picture

"We've always been at war with East Asia."

Is that near Russia?

August's picture

>>>America gets swept away as surely and as swiftly as did the Soviet Union.

The "America" of recent decades will surely be swept away.  The big question is whether that "America", though either ignorance or design, takes 500+ million dead with it when it goes.

G-R-U-N-T's picture

"For reasons that have no rational explanations at this time, the US and Europe have embarked on a concerted program to demonize Putin, ostracize Russia, and bring the world as close to a major conflict as it's been since the Cold War"

The motive to put Sanctions on Russia, via the US and the EU is to nudge the Russian people against Putin, Putin may, indeed, look to draw attention away from himself, unwilling to give up power via the potential for a coup detet due to protests and unrest and start war with Europe. Also, war would distract attention away from many Welfare Statist leaders, to include the U.S. and Europe. Pretty fucked up way to retain power using their own people, of whom they think is their property, slaughtering the innocent over an image/self destructive system that always brings dictatorship, economic and societal slavery then destruction.

Welfare Statism is collapsing worldwide. Their is no way these sick ass regimes can fund their promised unsustainable obligations (that they caused). this type of scenario has never, throughout histoy, ended well!


Dubaibanker's picture

MUST WATCH: This is how USA destroyed Iraq: The how, why and by who.


It is a great achievement of PBS to make such a documentary with all the seniormost US personnel having been interviewed directly and in the most even and fact finding way possible. Kudos to PBS!

It simply defies belief what happened and how it was executed with aplomb despite various senior US military and US diplomatic personnel being against it, both in policy as well as execution. It is shocking to see how the policy kept drifting every single year. The name of the documentary could easily be Drifting in Iraq.

It's worth a watch every single minute of it. Perhaps a second watch is also worth it and a third.....

Tarshatha's picture

As the USD nears the end of its life cycle, a war of epic proportion is required to hide the crimes purpatrated by these bastards.

A war with Russia will happen, there are to many fucking retarded Americans breathing good air for it not to. It's pathetic to imagine that the balance of world peace rest upon the audience of dancing with the stars. 

insanelysane's picture

Europe is so pissed at Russia, they are allowing France to build and deliver warships to them.

The Alarmist's picture

Those would be the vichy? Shallow waters run bubbly.

Gief Gold Plox's picture

If they're built like Renaults, it might really be a ninja sanction.

Captain Jack Sparrow's picture

I wonder what stephen seagull thinks about all this. He does judo with putin

BeanusCountus's picture

I keep remembering the ZH article about the endgame always being the preservation of the reserve currency status of the US $.  Seems we always fought, or invaded, folks that challenged reserve status as it was the only thing that preserved our standard of living when issuing so much debt.  Appears to me that Russia challenges that status everyday now, agreements with China and India to allow trade in other currencies.  Putin thinking long term, Obama trying to win an election.  And he is kicking our ass.  Thinking Obama, and his advisors, are out of their league here.

AnAnonymous's picture

The reserve status is not challenged.

Things are happening despite a hegomonic reserve status.

conscious being's picture

Nonsense. Bi-lateral currency swaps remove the incentive to hold dollar reserves. At least once a week now, a new deal is announced. Last week it was Russia Turkey. This week its Russia India. Way more dollars are held outside The Homeland than inside. All those external $s, no longer needed, are coming home  to flood the US of A.

Occident Mortal's picture

It's worth remembering that MiG's still use vacuum tubes to for critical flight controls. Still.

The reason is simple, in the event that someone excites the ionosphere with a high altitude nuke (generating an EMP over an entire hemisphere) MiG's can still fly and thus Russia can assume total air supremacy over the entire Northern hemisphere with just 1 ICBM launch.

The Alarmist's picture

And you don't think the US's fighters and allied fighters might be hardened for the same event?  Tubes are a cheap way of achieving that end, but they have a cost in terms of fuel or useful load. OTOH, they don't fail so easily, so who's to say?

Freddie's picture

Will they have the software code ready for that piece of sh*t F-35 ready before the war?

The plane is the most expensive ever and is a pile of junk.  The hilarious part is the software code is not done.  My guess is Lockheed Martin used H1B Indians on the software.

The Russians are among the best software devlopers in the world and weapons systems today are heavily based on software.  The USA does not want to f**k with Russia. 

The NWO, NeoCon, dual citizen Dems and RINOs want a war.

PhilofOz's picture

Australia is going to (has been ordered to?) buy 58 of these piece of sh*t F-35's because our dear leaders love your dear leaders so so much! $12 billion of our taxpayer money poured down the sewage system from some reports I have read will only be the start.

jackbooted gauleiter's picture

Oh good! They'll be able to fly off our two brand new, white elephant carriers then. Won't Her Maj be proud of us all.

Sirius Wonderblast's picture

It's the reason my Zil is all valves and shielding. After the bright white flash, assuming I'm far enough away from said flash, I will be able to use my fully NBC capable Zil and so, it must be said will the Russkis be able to use theirs (and Urals, and Kraz, etc etc). Western electrics will be fried.

Paveway IV's picture

"...It's worth remembering that MiG's still use vacuum tubes to for critical flight controls. Still..."

Nothing personal, Occident Mortal, but no chance in hell. This is a myth left over from forty years ago, when the U.S. got its first look at a Soviet MiG-25.

It *is* worth noting that vacuum tube technology was a fairly good engineering and design choice for the USSR in the mid-70s for the MiG-25. The MiG25 was designed to do one thing: find and intercept the planned U.S. B-70 Valkyrie supersonic nuclear bombers or the SR-70 Blackbirds. The USSR started with the biggest engines and the most powerful search radar they had available and added the rest of the junk to make it fly damn near mach 3. Their vacuum tube-technology search radar was 600 kilowatts - supposedly enough to smoke unfortunate rodents that wandered near the runways. The U.S. had nothing even close at the time, transistorized or not.

Vacuum tubes were never purpously used for EMP hardening by anyone. It's never been proven that they are less susceptible to EMP effects - that was all unfounded speculation based on early assumptions. Nobody tried to harden tube-based systems for EMP and nobody ever bothered testing just the tubes that I know of.

It's also worth noting that no 'critical flight controls' were electronic (vacuum tube or otherwise) in the mid 70's on Soviet fighers or interceptors. I'll stand corrected if you can find a reference to something other than full hydraulic for *all* flight controls. The newest Russian fighters are fly-by-wire. I'm pretty sure you can't do that with vacuum tubes, but they're EMP-hardened anyway - just like U.S. fighters. 

U.S. military aviation professionals see the current Russian military aviation professionals as peers today. Whatever edge the U.S. has in military aviation is easily balanced by Russia's superior SAM capability. 

BaghdadBob's picture

German Pilot says MH17 strafed by 30mm cannon fire from Ukrainian SU Jet.

It's coming apart at the seams. Let's hear the cockpit voice recordings please. Just a shame they had to go to the US's bitch (UK) to be analysed.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Not sure about this propaganda...

Spin or not! His word.


BaghdadBob's picture

Hey, Escrapa - "Not sure about this propaganda"? Seriously! You mean, as opposed to all the West's propaganda about just about everything else that takes place on planet earth.

Get a grip before you comment mate. Also, you're obviously suffering from an acute case of keyboard diarrhoea at the moment. You may want to go see a doctor and get that checked out....

Escrava Isaura's picture

new BaghdadBob,

Unfortunately, the article you supplied is not credible.

Here is my theory, and that I cannot prove:

The pilot was setup!

I would like to hear from pilots that fly that route. Pilots that flew that night.

Get us that.

BaghdadBob's picture

Try Imodium. It works wonders.

Seize Mars's picture

Some Thoughtful Guy: "Here is some data. It contains information that is contradictory to the western media story."

Hasbara: "You're an idiot! Or really dumb."

Escrava Isaura's picture

Seize Mars,

What make you believe your lie is better than western media lie?

This was not an accident of war. This was a set up. If we can prove the airplane was purposely diverted, the dominos will fall.

Unfortunately, many of you are shills, some without even realizing it, of some other form of distraction from finding the truth.

And there is the crux of the problem. Shills from both sides.

adeptish's picture

As I said before to escarva

the bold is getting old

also, we have no more cookies...

BaghdadBob's picture

"For reasons that have no rational explanations at this time...."

Yeah, nothing to do with the rapidly failing dollar, emerging Russian/Sino economic powerhouse (Superpower), BRICS, Gas, Oil, Gold, Germany, France, etc...Blah, Blah, Blah.

TeethVillage88s's picture

Signing Senate Bill 2277 is the modern equivalent of a Declaration of War.

In this the article does a good job.

caconhma's picture

Putinstan (aka Russia) is in a deep shit but many posters on ZH message board are trying to feed lies and disinformation. It is a part of the US government information warfare campaign.

The facts are that after 20years under Putin’s rule

·      Russian Central Bank (RCB) is under US Fed control. All Russia reserves are in US Treasury. Russia gold reserves are kept in the USA

·      Russia military is only 650,000-strong and very poorly trained. Russia military is not much better than Ukrainian military

·      Russia has a runaway corruption with almost all Russian elite (including Putin) are keeping their assets and their families in US and EU

·      Russia, for all practical purposes, is a 3rd world country with 5,000 nuclear warheads

·      Russia has no international friends. China is patiently waiting when it can get at least half of Russian territory

·      Inside Russia, Putin political base is very marginal since he is a gangster and a thief.

·      Russia lost its industrial might. It cannot build its own satellites and high tech weaponry


America is ready to go for a kill against Russia but it must remove Putin first. He is too unpredictable and unstable. The USA cannot afford to have another Libya in Russia.

Second, it must prevent China from occupying most of the Russia East.

Boogity's picture

Is that you John McCain and your effeminate man crush Lindsey Graham?    Don't forget to lube up and use protection when you play "launch the cruise missile" with each other.       

espirit's picture

Damn shame the U.S. has to prop Elon Mush and his mouth to avoid using Russian rocket engines.  Russia is 3rd world?

Ever been there?  I think not.

Anarchy 99's picture

what?????.......shit head

teslaberry's picture

there is SOME truth in what you say about russia and remareable you get so many downvotes, but the reason you get downvotes is you are percieved as 'russia' bashing. 


viewpoints about countriesa are like opinions about stocks, there are an array of opinions about a stock and over time as teh stock price changes, some of the opinions are made obsolete and proven outdated. 


your view of russia is certainly true in part, but over time the changes happening in russia are slowly showing your view point to be more nad more outdated as russia transitions past the post soviet era. 


sure there is plenty of corruption. i hear about this a lot from russian americans. it is still perceived by many people outside russia as very difficutl to do business in russia. HOWEVER. russia is getting ALOT OF GOODS AND SERVICES FROM GERMANY AND I BET THE GERMEN BUSINESS COMMUNITY WOULD SEE YOUR opinion as slowly becoming more outdated . 


THINGS CHANGE. and bashign russia inside the u.s. is the new propoganda. while i'm fairly certain sufficient numbers of americans are stupid enough to listen with and agree to these russia bashing propoganda, i'm also confident russia has enough nuclear weapons to make a direct challenge to their sovereignty a bloody enough prospect that almost no americans will support it . 

the oligarchs of course might benefit from the destruction of large numbers of americans by nuclear war, and the subsequent power consolidation  that a nuclear retaliation by russia would make possible. 


 is the american oligarchy willing to gamble?


if putin himself were here, he would ask them, like clint eastwood, "do you american oligarchs feel lucky, punks.?"

AnAnonymous's picture

'Americans' do not look for war.

This is once again an article aimed at decreasing Obama's 'american' effort.

Not so long ago, you could find articles on this site mocking the Obama's administration effort to try to negociate with Putin, and Putin depicted as a strong man for turning down the offers.
Consistency is no forte of 'americans' for many things, anything goes for pleasing the 'american' middle class.

Russia has no longer the nuclear ticket option. They are besieged. Their castle is concentrated on the West side of their country. It will be wiped off before they could try to lob enough missiles on their exterior.