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"Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel, Promptly Retracts

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The Times Of Israel has removed a provocatively-titled blog post after huge blowback, denunciations, and ridicule across social media. The post - "When Genocide Is Permissible" (in full below) - concludes, "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?" Removal or not, we are sure this will do nothing to endear Israel to the world.

 

The Times Of Israel site Before and After...

h/t @PrisonPlanet

 

And thanks to The Way-Back Machine, here is the full article...

When Genocide Is Permissible (authored by Yochanan Gordon)

Judging by the numbers of casualties on both sides in this almost one-month old war one would be led to the conclusion that Israel has resorted to disproportionate means in fighting a far less- capable enemy. That is as far as what meets the eye. But, it’s now obvious that the US and the UN are completely out of touch with the nature of this foe and are therefore not qualified to dictate or enforce the rules of this war – because when it comes to terror there is much more than meets the eye.

 

I wasn’t aware of this, but it seems that the nature of warfare has undergone a major shift over the years. Where wars were usually waged to defeat the opposing side, today it seems – and judging by the number of foul calls it would indicate – that today’s wars are fought to a draw. I mean, whoever heard of a timeout in war? An NBA Basketball game allows six timeouts for each team during the course of a game, but last I checked this is a war! We are at war with an enemy whose charter calls for the annihilation of our people. Nothing, then, can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.

 

The sad reality is that Israel gets it, but its hands are being tied by world leaders who over the past six years have insisted they are such good friends with the Jewish state, that they know more regarding its interests than even they do. But there’s going to have to come a time where Israel feels threatened enough where it has no other choice but to defy international warnings – because this is life or death.

 

Most of the reports coming from Gazan officials and leaders since the start of this operation have been either largely exaggerated or patently false. The truth is, it’s not their fault, falsehood and deceit is part of the very fabric of who they are and that will never change. Still however, despite their propensity to lie, when your enemy tells you that they are bent on your destruction you believe them. Similarly, when Khaled Meshal declares that no physical damage to Gaza will dampen their morale or weaken their resolve – they have to be believed. Our sage Gedalia the son of Achikam was given intelligence that Yishmael Ben Nesanyah was plotting to kill him. However, in his piety or rather naiveté Gedalia dismissed the report as a random act of gossip and paid no attention to it. To this day, the day following Rosh Hashana is commemorated as a fast day in the memory of Gedalia who was killed in cold blood on the second day of Rosh Hashana during the meal. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over. History is there to teach us lessons and the lesson here is that when your enemy swears to destroy you – you take him seriously.

 

Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?

 

News anchors such as those from CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera have not missed an opportunity to point out the majority of innocent civilians who have lost their lives as a result of this war. But anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent civilian. If you’ll counter, that Hamas has been seen abusing civilians who have attempted to leave their homes in response to Israeli warnings to leave – well then, your beginning to come to terms with the nature of this enemy which should automatically cause the rules of standard warfare to be suspended.

 

Everyone agrees that Israel has the right to defend itself as well as the right to exercise that right. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has declared it, Obama and Kerry have clearly stated that no one could be expected to sit idle as thousands of rockets rain down on the heads of its citizens, placing them in clear and present danger. It seems then that the only point of contention is regarding the measure of punishment meted out in this situation.

 

I will conclude with a question for all the humanitarians out there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?

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The author just apologized...

I wish to express deep regret and beg forgiveness for an article I authored which was posted on 5TJT.com, Times of Israel and was tweeted and shared the world over.

 

I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

 

With that said I pray and hope for a quick peaceful end to the hostilities and that all people learn to coexist with each other in creating a better world for us all.

 

Yochanan Gordon

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Well that's ok then...

 

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Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:41 | 5037221 conscious being
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JLee would fit in fine. He's not a Jew like MadLame NotSoBright who was famously OK with killing some apalling number of Iraqi children via sanctions. MadLame only, miraculously discovered she was a Jewess after all, once her Sec. Of State role was done. Knoodleman hides out as Nuland, Timmy G is Episcopalian, and Lurch the Khon becomes irish Johnny Kerry.  SOP shape shifting for these guys.

Checkout 'westpapua' posting on these threads, applauding the slaughter of Palestinian Semites. Like we're supposed to believe some guy, maybe in a grass hut in West Papua [New Guinea] has a big hard on for the Zino entity. Not.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:56 | 5035202 JLee2027
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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:18 | 5034969 Winston Churchill
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Hardly.

Hitler explored a lot of options before commiting at Wannsee to genocide.

Of course the UK ,and US would not agree to any of them, so he eventually decided

on a final solution, much like Israel seems to have.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:28 | 5035032 disabledvet
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The "Final Solution" was a policy created of an inevitable victory that turned into not just an absolute defeat...but a shockingly quick one at that.

"The Germans never saw it coming."

And the USA has a habit of demanding "Unconditional Surrender" I might add. That's why JFK and his cronies made sure to get us involved in East Asia...where such options were never on the table.

That's not true "over there."

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:38 | 5035730 Monty Burns
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 "before commiting at Wannsee to genocide".  The only evidence for that is some dubious 'confessions' from compromised prisoners.  The Germans are famous for scrupulous documentation but there's nothing about exterminating Jews there. The program was to expel all of them from the Reich (after exploiting them as slave labor)and the attendees were tasked with working out the logistics.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:27 | 5036142 oudinot
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Why don't you attack Cosmos arguements, theories with your own counter point  rather than just use the length of time as your intellectual barometer.

Pathetic.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 12:18 | 5037617 Xandrino
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Well the article justifies it, that's the topic bitch.

 

The only troll here is the one taking home in your fistfucked asshole.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:54 | 5035803 snodgrass
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The ashkenazis have always been NAZIS. That's where the term Nazi came from.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:54 | 5036232 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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It comforts me that Adolf Hitler outsmarted these scumbags.  I guess he did the best he could but did not eliminate this vermin completely

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:10 | 5036596 August
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>>>they have them in Ghettoes and they are exterminating them.

So... it's true. 

The shade of Adolf Hitler is now hanging out with the Elders of Zion, swapping Holocaust jokes.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:58 | 5034501 BigJim
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 We are at war with an enemy whose charter calls for the annihilation of our people. Nothing, then, can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.

Day by day, they just stand up and lie with impunity.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:32 | 5034713 JLee2027
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Just another stage of the long planned genocide and land theft.

That's why Israel removed it's miliary from Gaza in 1994 and allowed the pals to "self-govern". Because it was part of the long range plan to make the pals blow themselves up so they could be exterminated and the land occupied.

Israel, the brilliance. I didn't see it until now.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:38 | 5034740 john39
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the ongoing blockade of gaza is an act of war...  nice try a deception though.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:48 | 5034778 JLee2027
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Act of war against WHO? Israel owns the land. You cannot make an act of war against yourself.

 

Make sure you get all your troll aliases to down arrow me.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:05 | 5034889 john39
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Israel "owns" the gaza strip? better check your math on that...  that is patently absurd.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:08 | 5034913 JLee2027
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Absurd or not, historically true. The Promised Land includes the Gaza strip.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:15 | 5034957 john39
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see post above.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:41 | 5035020 BigJim
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 Absurd or not, historically true. The Promised Land includes the Gaza strip.

At least your position is consistent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe God gave the land to the Jews. You also believe modern 'Jews' are - somehow - still heirs to a land they haven't lived in for 1400 years... and, despite most of them having very little actual Semitic ethnicity (and often, are not 'Jewish' in terms of their religious beliefs, either), these immigrants still have greater title than the people directly descended from those who lived there for scores of generations, and are actually ethnically more akin to the ancient Judeans?

Would that be how your mind 'works' on this subject?

This looks pretty stupid to 99% of the rest of humanity, of course, but as Voltaire once commented, once they can get you to believe absurdities, they can get you to commit atrocities.

edit: courtesy of 'Zer0head' below...

Except the Ashkenazi jews like Netanyahu... very little if any semitic blood in them. Of course that's just what science and DNA testing tells us.

 

So if the covenants with God found in the Torah (Old Testament) are with the lineages of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and of course King David  (Let's remember that Yahweh was always a family god which allowed for a lineage of kings right down to Jesus... born of the House of David remember?) then the Ashkenazi are quite simply not Jews in the traditional sense like the Sephardim who are clearly semitic like the rest of the regions Arabs including the Palestinians themselves.

 

"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe."

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Geneti...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:01 | 5035209 JLee2027
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Meh, GOD knows the people he personally called and gathered back to Israel. I trust him.

Ezekiel 37:21-22

Tell them: Thus speaks the Lord GOD:) I will take the Israelites from among the nations to which they have come, and gather them from all sides to bring them back to their land. I will make them one nation upon the land, in the mountains of Israel, and there shall be one prince for them all. Never again shall they be two nations, and never again shall they be divided into two kingdoms.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:35 | 5035412 BigJim
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Well, GOD might know. And you might well trust HIM. But - unless you've got him on direct dial like Dubya - He's not giving you the direct scoop Himself these days, is He?

You appear to just assume that the current crop of European carpetbaggers invading that land are definitely the people Ezekial was referring to. Are you SURE? Why? Because they say so?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:05 | 5036065 JLee2027
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I don't need any more "scoop", having been told the "scoop". And now you have too. The idea that Israel is not legitimate is false.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 08:16 | 5036944 BigJim
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Now you're being evasive. And no, I haven't 'got the scoop now too', because Ezekial, viewed from the present, is ambiguous. So you can't 'know' the scoop, unless you're relying on someone else's interpretation... and how do you know that 'someone else' is actually channelling God, and not one of the many false prophets we're warned about in Torah?

You know, - and again, correct me if I'm wrong - my understanding is that God 'gave' the land to the Israelites (not just the Jews iirc) on the condition they kept to a certain set of rules that God also gave them. And they lost the Land (according to their teachings) because they were no longer keeping those rules.

Now, I personally loathe homophobes. But GOD seems to be quite homophobic, instructing his followers to kill them.

Israel - and zionists generally - celebrate diversity (unless that 'diversity' happens to be Palestinian, natch!) and by 'celebrate', I mean not only tolerate it, but appear to actively promote it. They certainly don't punish people for being homosexual. So they're not keeping their covenant with God in that department, are they? Ironically, the people who ARE obeying God's edicts to the Israelites (in this instance)... are the Muslims. And oh how Israelis RELISH pointing out the barbarism of Muslim countries... carrying out God's will.

They don't slaughter animals as sacrifice to God any more, either, despite it being pleasing to His Nostrils.

In fact, the OT is full of bizarre laws that God told the Israelites to keep, which the Israelis manifestly don't.

Now, if they got kicked off the Promised Land because they weren't sticking to God's rules, and they're still not keeping God's rules, and weren't back in 1948 either, how are they any more entitled to the Land now?

We've already dismissed the idea that they are somehow ethnically the same people as the Judeans, so that's not the answer either, is it?

Over to you, JLee2027.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 14:15 | 5038028 JLee2027
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The issue has been answered and is closed. 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 16:54 | 5038536 BigJim
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A liar AND a coward you are, 'JLee2027'.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:39 | 5035433 trulz4lulz
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Tell them: Thus speaks the Lord GOD:) I will take the Israelites from among the nations to which they have come, and gather them from all sides to bring them back to their land. I will make them one nation upon the land, in the mountains of Israel, and there shall be one prince for them all. Never again shall they be two nations, and never again shall they be divided into two kingdoms.

How clever, the people who wrote a book about themselves guranteed themselves a land contract bound by the fantasy man in the sky! Well, Ill be damned, hold the presses, someones imagination is taking precidence to science, DNA and International Law! We are so fucked.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 20:17 | 5035893 Winston Churchill
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Land contracts are only good for six years here in the US.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:33 | 5036162 oudinot
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You are  really deluded.

BTW:  There is only one Jewish tribe that is left so Ezekiel's God wasn't that powerful after all, was he?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:29 | 5036873 JLee2027
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You can personally see how powerful GOD is.  When are you going to the Promised Land to expel the Joos? 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 07:26 | 5036969 PeterB
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Rest assured you can leave that up to your own kind as what other tribe can compete with your instinctive sacrificial nature to save one's DNA backed bank account

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:35 | 5034726 Omen IV
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same USA sanctioned genocide and ethnic cleansing in the east ukraine - as Yulia Timoshenko articulated - "7 million to be nuked" 

aided and abetted by the USA with money, personnel and tactical advice.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:11 | 5034939 morty_schatzberg
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Just like their diaspora is doing to every single European derived nation on the planet. We're all Palestinians now.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:38 | 5035089 PontifexMaximus
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Not yet

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:14 | 5035298 Dugald
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Ooops! we just got a look behind the curtain!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:02 | 5035564 williambanzai7
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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:42 | 5035756 logicalman
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Agreed.

So, if the Germans did to the 'Jewish People' what those people claim they did, it was an unforgivable crime, but when those people do the same thing to the Palestinians it's because they have the RIGHT to exist???!!!

WTF.

GENOCIDE IS GENOCIDE, doesn't matter who's doing it, it's fucking wrong.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:55 | 5034476 BigJim
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 "Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel...

It's not Israelis' musings on the subject that are the issue, it's their everyday practice of them.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:59 | 5034509 Rainman
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hell, the dude was only asking a question.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:10 | 5034534 BigJim
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 We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?

I think this is what might be called a leading question.

Ironically, if every government has the right to commit genocide to ensure security and peace for its citizens, then I guess he must think the Palestinians have the right to kill every Israeli occupying their stolen land.

Somehow, I doubt he's particularly even-handed when it comes to applying his 'principles'.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:28 | 5034685 JLee2027
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Israel isn't stealing land. They own the land. They permit the Pals to live on it. For free. In return they get attacked by rockets and if the wall wasn't there, suicide bombers. 

Everyone conviently forgets that Israel in 1994 as part of the ""PEACE"" process gave Gaza the right to self-govern. What followed were waves of suicide bombers and HAMAS. So much for the ""PEACE"" process and the rights to self-govern. It's obviously not working. 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:31 | 5034707 trulz4lulz
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Cant tell if this is sarcasm? Surely this is sarcasm.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:32 | 5034717 alien-IQ
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I'm pretty sure he actually believes what he's saying.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:33 | 5034719 JLee2027
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Get lost troll.
Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:34 | 5034723 JLee2027
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ZH being infested by anti-Israelites and all new members. Same group of guys with multiple aliases.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:46 | 5034771 alien-IQ
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being pro common sense is not being "anti-israeli" but is just a happy coincidence that israelis have proven to be anti-common sense..

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:50 | 5034799 JLee2027
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So what's your solution? There is an enemy at the gate waiting to enter your house and kill everyone inside. You cannot make peace with them, you've tried for 66 years.

And your answer is?

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:56 | 5034825 alien-IQ
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Nigga please, sell that bullshit to someone who don't read. Go fuck yourself.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:58 | 5034848 JLee2027
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So, you don't have a solution. Or, to be fair, don't want to share it. Fair enough.

Don't critize me then, unless you're man enough to share your ideas.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:28 | 5035365 alien-IQ
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Some asshole like yourself who advocates the killing of women and children from F16's and Drones and tanks does not have a right to call himself a man. You are not a man. You are not even human. You are a sociopathic coward.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 20:39 | 5035927 JLee2027
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Hysteria and emotional nonsense. If Israel wanted to do that, the Gaza Strip would be glass by morning, as you well know. 

You won't give a solution, but you choose to critize people for pointing out the truth. This is the land of Israel, and they allow the pals to live there (truth). I do believe that is the most practical solution to allow the pals to stay, but the pals want to make it impossible by relentlessly attacking Israel to destory their own benefactors (truth). I agree with Joan Rivers, if New Jersey were shooting Rockets into New York, New Jersey would be wiped out. (and no one would shed a tear - my own contribution). Again, nothing but truth.

And yet most here don't see it. Try living in a house with rockets going overhead and see how long you tolerate it. You cannot let your children outside, they might be killed. Everytime you hear the siren, you take cover.

It is inhuman to ask people to live like that, and Israel has every right to defend themselves. It's absolute ignorance that you are unable or unwilling to see that.

A final truth. The Bible predicts nations will rise up against Israel, possibly the entire world, and GOD will destory every nation who does so. But Israel will live. Looking at the responses on this message board, I can see how that will happen. Many of you have gone bat shit crazy with hatred of Israel, with all kind of untrue reasons. All you need is to be pushed a bit more and you'll personally be boarding transport to attack and destroy the "Joos".

So God is correct. Again. May he have mercy on you.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:05 | 5036063 zarjad
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Nice to have God on your side.

Just curious, would Israel be entitled to reparations from Egypt? I think we should be. Egypt enslaved us, that's worth something. Then when Israelites were forced to run from Egypt didn't they leave lots of posessions behind? That's worth something. Israel is obviously entitled to at least a piece of Egypt for all that suffering. I have an idea. Once Gaza inhabitants are pushed into Egypt (working on that right now), they will be fighting back. Israel should than set up security buffers in Egypt, purely defensive measure, mind you. I think 50 miles would be just about right. And another 50 for reparations mentioned above. I think I can carve out few square miles out of Egypt for Gaza Arabs. And if those new egyptians don't behave, I can just bomb Cairo. But I won't have to because egyptians know I will (bomb them), so they will keep Gazans under control. If they don't, I'll just push our security zone another 50 miles. I think some of those egyptian resorts would be nice to have.

Now I feel good. 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:12 | 5036086 JLee2027
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Everyone has GOD on their side if they choose.

But since you've chosen sarcasm as your weapon, and not truth, I see no reason to respond to it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:49 | 5036405 zarjad
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Well, you just responded, something clicked.

Sarcasm and truth are opposites? Is lack of sarcasm required to be truthful? Can we agree that you might be wrong on this one?

BTW, you'd make a good cruisader. Ever aspired to that job?

  

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 05:46 | 5036972 PeterB
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Here's a prediction. I predict your paranoia will gradually get worse if you continue to justify questionable behaviour.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 06:59 | 5037023 Disenchanted
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@jlee

 

If your God is reflected in his so-called "chosen people" I want nothing further to do with your God. Nor do I need or want said God's forgiveness and salvation.

And just to save you some time...

 

Me:
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Sat, 08/02/2014 - 14:18 | 5038036 JLee2027
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Noted.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:11 | 5037164 alien-IQ
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fuck you and your phony god right up your asses.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 14:19 | 5038041 JLee2027
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As you wish.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:56 | 5034828 SilverIsKing
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Give it up J.  Might as well change your name to QuadrillionDollarBonus.

There are too many of them.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:00 | 5034859 The_Dude
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Do what we have to do here in the US and open up the border, get out your checkbook and pray they don't overrun your lil' hood?  It's what the friendly dual-citizens have wrought on the US so I'm sure you'll enjoy it there also.

 

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:13 | 5034948 Peter Pan
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The whole world is against you now, so what is your solution?

It is no secret that you have robbed the Palestinians of land and starved them by restricting what food enters their land, baited them into retaliating, paid certain Hamas to do what they do in order to create excuses for retribution, and the list goes on.

The real danger for Israel now is that the day may arrive when the world says enough both to Israel, gathers up all Jewish Fed members, bankers, lobbyists and businessmen so as to extract revenge for all the economic and political mess that this world has put up with.

I suggest that Jews everywhere denounce their Zionist persona and rejoin the ranks of humanity before they giverise to an equally insane mob as the one that struts through Gaza.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 20:52 | 5036017 JLee2027
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The whole world is against you now, so what is your solution?

Again, I'm not Jewish. But I do believe in the Bible.

It doesn't matter what the entire world says or thinks. It only matters what GOD says will happen. He says Israel will survive against an attack from all nations. Until that time, Israel should do what they are doing. Defend itself, but show restraint where pratical. 

I've seen reports that some of those entrances to HAMAS tunnels trace back to UN buildings. So the UN was helping the terrorists. Level those buildings, for sure, if that report is true.

Occupy Gaza I believe is the final outcome. Assimilate the pals, they choose not to govern themselves. There won't be any other reasonable choice. 

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:38 | 5036178 oudinot
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"I do believe in the Bible"

Do you believe that the world was made in 6 days?

That  man has been around for 6,400 years?

That all the animals, two by two, came to Noah's Ark?

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:52 | 5036411 JLee2027
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Do you believe the Universe came from nothing? 

That life arise from rain off a rock?

That a single cell somehow evolved into a man?

Or did GOD do it all, as he said in Genesis and Jesus personally confirmed?  Or do you believe Jesus lied?

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:05 | 5036450 oudinot
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I don't know what I believe in; however, I  certainly don't believe in Genocide under any circumstances whatsoever , unlike yourself.

And, truly, that one solid belief makes me more of a man of religion than yourself even though I'm an aetheist.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:35 | 5036527 JLee2027
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I don't believe in Genocide, only atheists do.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:09 | 5036832 Quus Ant
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Dude, you're the kind of guy that would blow up the world if you thought it's what god wanted.

Tell me you're not in a position with any authority.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:25 | 5037306 oudinot
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Lee cetainly isn't in a position of authourity; if he was he wouldn't spend so much time spinning numerous , illogical, senseless,nasty posts.

My spider sense tells me Lee is a Southern Baptist, maybe a deacon of an all white church.  In his daytime job he is  lower management of a ditch digging company.

He drinks secretly behind an old barn in Arkansas because his mother, who owns the farm, will not allow it in the house.  Once he loads up on some cheap Bourbon, he posts on zerohedge all night.   Then  he prays to the Lord asking for stuff for him and his family ,then passes out in his childhoold bed.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 14:21 | 5038049 JLee2027
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1 for 10. Congrats!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:28 | 5036514 Slave
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I believe in the Bible too. And I believe Israel is the great whore from Revelations.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:40 | 5036539 JLee2027
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OK, it's a free country. Welcome aboard, new Jew hater.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:13 | 5037285 conscious being
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JLee self-hating goyim or hasbra mole? Will we ever know the truth?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 14:22 | 5038053 JLee2027
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Servant of the Lord.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 16:56 | 5038542 BigJim
Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:16 | 5034963 Demdere
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My answer is to correct the fundamental inustice : Israel drove the Palestinians off of their land, stole it.

It would have been a lot cheaper, in retrospect, to have patiently bought the land, as the costs of the wars and military has been very high.  That is still true.  Buy the land, pay off the dispossessed and save your souls.

It is very clear that Israelis are beocming bad guys, racists, extemists in religion and politics.  That is not good for my Jewish son, our Jewish family.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:45 | 5035140 Frank N. Beans
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no other country in the ME wants to absorb the Pals; nobody wants them.  Israel has tried to live with them.  A 2-state solution is best but the Pals don't want it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:33 | 5035712 BigJim
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What are you talking about? Although Israel exercises de facto sovereignty over Gaza and the West Bank, the Palestinians in those territories have never had a chance to 'live with' the Israelis - they're not allowed in.

Furthermore, every time the Palestinians try to get the two-State solution off the ground, the Israelis deliberately torpedo it.

The zionists have, since he founding of Israel in 1948, managed to hoodwink world goyim into believing they want peace. They don't want peace; they want LAND, and they'll only 'want' peace after they've got every bit they assert their psycho god promised them. I estimate, at present rates, we'll see that in 20 years; it will be interesting to see if they stop there, or start annexing more of Syria, Egypt & Lebanon.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 00:47 | 5039601 DaveyJones
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I see you've bought the standard narrative

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:47 | 5035146 alien-IQ
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It may be too late. And you may, sadly, find yourself being found in the eyes of many who see what's going on in Gaza to be guilty by virtue of being Jewish.

Why Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries since 250AD is becoming abundantly clear for all to see.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:14 | 5036476 luckystars
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What country would take the mad dog israelis?

 

none

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:58 | 5035541 Canucklehead
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The Palis need to go somewhere where they feel love. They should be relocated to Qatar so they can be with their leadership.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:34 | 5035724 BigJim
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Maybe it's the Israelis who should go somewhere they feel love, like New York, and the 'Palis' can go back to living on the land the zionists stole from them.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:03 | 5035238 FrenchRevolutionary
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All the peopl arguing with you clearly are racist. Just accept that they're neo Nazi krauts and don't argue with them.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:59 | 5036835 Quus Ant
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dat gut choke, no?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:30 | 5037319 conscious being
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JLee is providing a useful, educational service. He's trotting out all the standard, lame arguments and seeing them blown up in his stupid face.

I think that's why SilverisKing, another Zino-troll, was trying to get JLee to shut-up and disappear, just up thread. JLee's MegaPhone connection must be busted.

He's making a laughing-stock out of the overly conflicted Zino-Cause. So maybe its better you stick around JLee and keep posting your nonsense. What else you got for this Homerun Derby that we can hit out of the park for you?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 15:15 | 5038216 JLee2027
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While you disagree, you haven't disproven anything I've said. All you've done is state your opinion, using emotion and numbers, but not reason.

I've simply re-stated what the Holy Bible says. I believe the Bible, as do the Israelites and to be blunt, events since 1948 have proven the Bible to be true.

I make this post, not to convince you, as you have closed your mind, but there are others who will read this and realize the truth.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 17:05 | 5038565 Quus Ant
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Yeshua, PBUH, reportedly said the follow ing words:

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" 

 

Take it up with your Lord and Savior.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:49 | 5034789 alien-IQ
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By the way, this comment:

"Same group of guys with multiple aliases."

coming from you is nothing short of the high water mark of hypocrisy. you cannot prove that at all, while we can quite clearly prove that Israel pays people to spread propaganda.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:52 | 5034806 JLee2027
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Every government on Earth spreads propoganda. And pays for it. So?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:20 | 5034992 Peter Pan
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If you are a troll, you need to understand that your appearances here actually infame the anti Israeli sentiment and therefore are counterproductive to your mission.

If you are not a troll then you are a sad human being.

No one is saying Hamas are nice people that should be invited for a BBQ. What we are saying is that the collateral damage inflcted on civilians exceeds that inflicted on Hamas and therefore paints you as a rogue nation in the eyes of the world.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:42 | 5035116 alien-IQ
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When 80% of the casualties are civilian, it ceases to be "collateral damage". It is outright targeting of civilians. No if's, and's, or but's about it. It is quite clear: Israel is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. If the ICC can't prosecute them, then it's in the hands of the citizens of the world to punish them as we see fit. And I suggest they be shown the same compassion they are showing the people of Gaza.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:57 | 5035530 Canucklehead
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Who is counting? Who actually prepares these numbers? Is Leonidas included in these numbers?

https://twitter.com/benjshapiro/status/490061497402671104

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 00:51 | 5039603 DaveyJones
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the sixth most sophisticated army in the world knows every square inch of that place and can pinpoint bomb with modern toys. Remember when they took out that Hamas leader in his car? When they hit civillians and kids they intend to. Hence the article's title and its prompt removal. Get a clue.  

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:09 | 5035595 Duffy
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Yeah - tons of disinfo coming out of the Maldives.

You're one of the worst - you aren't funny, and you don't know a fucking thing.

I demand to be entertained by you hasbarats!!!

Am I not not entertained???!!!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:16 | 5034975 luckystars
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You wish that we have multiples, we don't. You have Hasbara multiples and you are still out numbered.

lol

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:24 | 5035016 Canucklehead
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Why do you lose all the time?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:32 | 5035057 BigJim
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The zionists consistently lose the arguments here, even when they bother actually debating the facts, rather than the racist bullshit they tell themselves in order to sleep at night.

And that's why we're seeing so many new 'faces' popping up here to defend Israel; if they can't convince with quality, by God, they'll overwhelm the rest of us with quantity!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:44 | 5035128 Jonesy
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That's right, I'm a new member, only 2 days!  I'm not sure how JLee thinks it helps his case that newer faces show up to bash Israel and the rats that love it.  It couldn't have anything to do with Israel blowing up little girls, could it?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:03 | 5035240 JLee2027
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How many ZH aliases do you have?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:41 | 5035749 BigJim
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I'm pretty sure you've only got one, because the arguments you employ are uniquely bone-headed.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:31 | 5036520 Slave
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I wonder if he considers that to be a good picture of himself?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:40 | 5036538 luckystars
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I guess you in denial what a small population you Jews are.

You promote yourselves and want to kill others.

People know about your secret "talmud" and what you plan for us.

You are doom and dread and Gaza is proving it.

Its over, now you have no place to go.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:52 | 5035509 Canucklehead
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How do you know the zionists consistently lose? There is something to be said about having your foil declare victory and show the readership what an idiot they are.

I believe many readers are glad they don't have neighbours like the those who have moved into this site with the express intent to shout down anyone supporting Israel. There is no common sense... only entitlement.

That being said, other than feeling like you have accomplished something (heaven knows...) have you learned anything here that would make your life better?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:12 | 5035610 Duffy
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Are you translating your dispatches into Hebrew then back into English, or are you just grappling with both a learning disability and Alzheimers?

 

Hey - your glasses are right on top of your head, man.

 

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:46 | 5035468 BigJim
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 Member for
6 days 19 hours
Get lost troll.

I'll bet if he was agreeing with you, you'd be less concerned with how long he's been here.

As it happens, he makes decent contributions to this debate, so, by that score, he might be considered a bit less of a troll than... you.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:49 | 5035478 trulz4lulz
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@JLee Eat Ebola sprinkled shit and fucking die you scum of the earth fuck twit. If not now, Satan surely will have a full on buffet waiting for you in your special hell. I hope you choke on the blood you spill as you wash down the shit thats in your fucking mouth.

Avid reader for 4 years 6 days and some hours.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:54 | 5036422 JLee2027
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Can dish it out, but can't take it I see.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:03 | 5036842 Quus Ant
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alright- I get it.  JLee, you're Tyler, right?  Having a lark?  Spicing up the conversation and racking up page views?  Brilliant.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:55 | 5034826 WillyGroper
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No it wasn't.

He's one of the moron's that validated & justified the "Priestly Piece" being more destructive to little boys than little girls because of the ratio of victims. 

Don't waste your breath. 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:31 | 5034711 alien-IQ
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It must be free crack night at the synagogue again....and you went for seconds...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:56 | 5034835 Stoploss
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These people are too stupid to tell propaganda from facts. This is our education system at work that's all. They don't know the historic details so they cannot understand, because they do not wish to find the facts, it doesn't fit into their 30 second time schedule anyway. Whatever, what happens, happens, no amount of sniveling will stop it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:57 | 5035534 firstdivision
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Yer a funny guy.  Interesting that you're taking one book as contract law.  Pretty sure the Koran says Palestine belongs to the Palestinians.  Until you show me a land contract signed by God, then now they don't own the land as they never paid for it.  Perhaps you should volunteer to catch a Hamas rocket as part of the Iron Dome project. FYI, unless you're Jewish, Israel doesn't give two fucks about you.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:46 | 5035772 alien-IQ
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How does one even begin to try to have a conversation with a person who believes he is getting his marching orders from an invisible man in the sky who has declared that his race and only his race is "chosen" to rule over all others.

In any rational society, he would be lobotomized and locked up in a rubber room for the rest of his life and subjected to electro shock therapy twice a day.

There's no talking to these insane murderers.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:46 | 5035774 logicalman
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Israel didn't exist before 1948, it was just a myth in a really old scary book.

They absolutely did steal the land.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

David Ben Gurion

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:47 | 5037365 sandhillexit
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And the IDF know where the tunnels are because *they built them*.  Between 1967 and 2005 when the IDF tried to run Gaza from inside, their command and control was all underground, air-conditioned.  The tunnels into Israel proper were likely escape routes in case things got out of control on the streets.  The command center is under *Shifa Hospital.*  I just wish they had enough respect for the American public to tell the truth.  It's all the insults to our intelligence that piss me off.  

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 12:21 | 5037632 Xandrino
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founded in 1948...haha they OWN the land? BULLSHIT.

 

Your bible fairytale doesn't hold up here. 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:09 | 5036077 williambanzai7
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Questions usally get asked by people who don't know the answer, unless used rhetorically, which then implies an opinion.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:57 | 5034489 whatsinaname
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Wow !! Did they just condone what some other powers have done in the past and even maybe what Hitler did to them ?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 15:57 | 5034496 McMolotov
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There's definitely an Alanis Morissette joke in here somewhere.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:59 | 5034846 RafterManFMJ
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Damn.

Was just burning one with my main homie Runs Like a Girly Bear and we started discussing genocide.

Passed the hookah in the TP - cloudy and dreamy as Hell - so we're feeling it and he's smoked on smoke and PBR and be says, and this is something I'll never forget, staring, my bleary eyes on his rheumy, intense eyes - like chips of obsidian they bored into me, and he spoke what turned out to be his final mortal words "I gotta shit..."

Last of his people, an honor based culture without debt based money - really a bunch of savages in need of saving.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:14 | 5036289 Seer
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Great s...s...stuff there!

I wonder where AmericanSpirit is.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:07 | 5036845 Quus Ant
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I readthis a coupletimes.  Thanks  RafterMan.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 00:54 | 5039610 DaveyJones
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same   very nice

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:02 | 5034519 alien-IQ
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If only it had occurred to Hitler to incorporate the term "anti-Aryan" to all who criticized what he did, he could still be going at it today.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:01 | 5034865 RafterManFMJ
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It isn't widely reported but as many as 6 million Ayrans died in Death and Labor camps around 1904.

True story.

So they deserve someone else's land, because reasons.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:33 | 5035064 BigJim
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1904? What was going on then?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:35 | 5036525 Slave
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I believe that question was anti-Aryan.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:06 | 5034542 gpanek
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Yup.. the abused becomes the abuser.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:00 | 5034503 power steering
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Sounds like the policies of Curtis Lemay and the USAF/RAF during WW2

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:02 | 5034520 darteaus
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Note to Jew haters:

Dahiya doctrine: "... the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure"

Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide.

Keep trying Jew haters!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:06 | 5034538 john39
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you forgot the /s tag...  or, you are a raging psychopath...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:08 | 5034556 alien-IQ
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I'll go with "Raging Psychopath" for 400.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:08 | 5034549 McMolotov
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This post is guaranteed to bring out the anti-semantics...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:17 | 5034577 darteaus
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The Jew haters are out in force!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:23 | 5034649 Coletrane
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you say that like it's a bad thing.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:36 | 5034730 JLee2027
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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:43 | 5034760 alien-IQ
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You say that as if it were meaningful. It's not. Everybody arrives at their own time.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:03 | 5034879 JLee2027
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Too much of a coincidence to see an anti_Israeli shift and lots of new members, all saying the same thing.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 18:37 | 5035420 BaghdadBob
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Maybe, just maybe, it's that people can finally see through the Israeli and Jewish hatred for their fellow man, their greed, control of media, destruction of Palestine, destabling of foreign sovereign states, actions of Mossad, etc... and that with this latest bloody massacre of innocent children, they've finally found a voice and they're no longer afraid to be labelled anti-Semite?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 19:00 | 5035552 trulz4lulz
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@BaghdadBob

Its called an intellectual revolution and I believe we are witnessing the beginnings of it. Too little, too late Im afraid. It takes a man of principle to defy an unjust law or situation. Principled men are in short supply these days.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:55 | 5036428 JLee2027
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So you and Baghdad there need to jump on a boat and go expel the Joos. What are you waiting for?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:43 | 5037353 conscious being
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We're too busy giving you psycopaths a necessary smack down, setting some portion of enslaved minds free in the process.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:26 | 5037311 Monty Burns
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I can get over all of those charachteristics Bob but what I find unforgivable is the systematic destruction of our institutions and ethnicity via, respectively, Cultural Marxism and mass Third World immigration.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:08 | 5036462 oudinot
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They say the same things because it is the truth.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:29 | 5034689 alien-IQ
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Thanks to people like you and Bibi, our numbers are growing at a breakneck pace. Watch out, you never know... ;-)

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:36 | 5034734 Toolshed
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And may the force be with you!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:10 | 5034579 alien-IQ
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"anti-semantics" ? is that people who oppose meaning?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:01 | 5034861 WillyGroper
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WOW McMolotov, prophecy in real time!

LOL

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:16 | 5034606 BigJim
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 Keep trying Jew haters!

Yes, yes, anyone criticising Israel does it because they hate Jews... rather than what one particular bunch of Jews is doing.

Dahiya doctrine: "... the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure"

Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide.

I think you'll find that people corralled into one of the most densely populated areas on earth will die in large numbers without their infrastructure.... not to mention get killed when the means of destroying it 'accidentally' flattens their neighbourhood at the same time.

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