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"Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel, Promptly Retracts
The Times Of Israel has removed a provocatively-titled blog post after huge blowback, denunciations, and ridicule across social media. The post - "When Genocide Is Permissible" (in full below) - concludes, "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?" Removal or not, we are sure this will do nothing to endear Israel to the world.
The Times Of Israel site Before and After...
h/t @PrisonPlanet
And thanks to The Way-Back Machine, here is the full article...
When Genocide Is Permissible (authored by Yochanan Gordon)
Judging by the numbers of casualties on both sides in this almost one-month old war one would be led to the conclusion that Israel has resorted to disproportionate means in fighting a far less- capable enemy. That is as far as what meets the eye. But, it’s now obvious that the US and the UN are completely out of touch with the nature of this foe and are therefore not qualified to dictate or enforce the rules of this war – because when it comes to terror there is much more than meets the eye.
I wasn’t aware of this, but it seems that the nature of warfare has undergone a major shift over the years. Where wars were usually waged to defeat the opposing side, today it seems – and judging by the number of foul calls it would indicate – that today’s wars are fought to a draw. I mean, whoever heard of a timeout in war? An NBA Basketball game allows six timeouts for each team during the course of a game, but last I checked this is a war! We are at war with an enemy whose charter calls for the annihilation of our people. Nothing, then, can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.
The sad reality is that Israel gets it, but its hands are being tied by world leaders who over the past six years have insisted they are such good friends with the Jewish state, that they know more regarding its interests than even they do. But there’s going to have to come a time where Israel feels threatened enough where it has no other choice but to defy international warnings – because this is life or death.
Most of the reports coming from Gazan officials and leaders since the start of this operation have been either largely exaggerated or patently false. The truth is, it’s not their fault, falsehood and deceit is part of the very fabric of who they are and that will never change. Still however, despite their propensity to lie, when your enemy tells you that they are bent on your destruction you believe them. Similarly, when Khaled Meshal declares that no physical damage to Gaza will dampen their morale or weaken their resolve – they have to be believed. Our sage Gedalia the son of Achikam was given intelligence that Yishmael Ben Nesanyah was plotting to kill him. However, in his piety or rather naiveté Gedalia dismissed the report as a random act of gossip and paid no attention to it. To this day, the day following Rosh Hashana is commemorated as a fast day in the memory of Gedalia who was killed in cold blood on the second day of Rosh Hashana during the meal. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over. History is there to teach us lessons and the lesson here is that when your enemy swears to destroy you – you take him seriously.
Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?
News anchors such as those from CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera have not missed an opportunity to point out the majority of innocent civilians who have lost their lives as a result of this war. But anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent civilian. If you’ll counter, that Hamas has been seen abusing civilians who have attempted to leave their homes in response to Israeli warnings to leave – well then, your beginning to come to terms with the nature of this enemy which should automatically cause the rules of standard warfare to be suspended.
Everyone agrees that Israel has the right to defend itself as well as the right to exercise that right. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has declared it, Obama and Kerry have clearly stated that no one could be expected to sit idle as thousands of rockets rain down on the heads of its citizens, placing them in clear and present danger. It seems then that the only point of contention is regarding the measure of punishment meted out in this situation.
I will conclude with a question for all the humanitarians out there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?
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I wish to express deep regret and beg forgiveness for an article I authored which was posted on 5TJT.com, Times of Israel and was tweeted and shared the world over.
I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.
With that said I pray and hope for a quick peaceful end to the hostilities and that all people learn to coexist with each other in creating a better world for us all.
Yochanan Gordon
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Well that's ok then...
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"Yes, yes, anyone criticising Israel does it because they hate Jews... rather than what one particular bunch of Jews is doing."
I never said that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution
I do notice that you studiously avoid my point:
Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide.
Well... you can't be an Israeli and a Jew... because you certainly have no education about either War or Law.
USMC 0331
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948.
Article 1
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.
Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article 3
The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html
*crickets*
*Roaches*
But, let's look are some of the rest of the document that you are sourcing:
Article 6
Persons charged with genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be tried by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act was committed, or by such international penal tribunal as may have jurisdiction with respect to those Contracting Parties which shall have accepted its jurisdiction.Have charges been formally filed by any country? NO? Could it be that it isn't genocide, the UN is not doing its job, or what?
Article 8
Any Contracting Party may call upon the competent organs of the United Nations to take such action under the Charter of the United Nations as they consider appropriate for the prevention and suppression of acts of genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3.
What country is now "taking action...for the prevention and suppression of acts of genocide" None? Hmmm, could it be that it is not genocide, the UN is not doing its job, or what?
Article 9
Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute.
What country is "submitting [a dispute] to the International Court of Justice" None? Hmmm, it must not be genocide, or EVERY COUNTRY is ignoring genocide.
Given the figures I laid out in the first paragraph, and the lack of international action against "genocide", what facts do you have that Israel is committing genocide?No, let's not construct strawmen in an attempt to bury your error by changing the subject.
As you have quite explicitly stated, over and over again:
"Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide."
THIS IS INCORRECT.
Just keep asserting without citing facts. Doesn't work in the real world.
Again, "Given the figures I laid out in the first paragraph, and the lack of international action against "genocide", what facts do you have that Israel is committing genocide?"
Genocide is what is happening by ISIS in Mosul against the Christians. If you research that for 5 minutes, you will discover facts about that situation and genocide. For example, EVERY Christian kicked out of Mosul after being robbed. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
And you cite 600/1,816,000 as genocide?
You don't have any FACTS to support genocide in Gaza, just assertions.
You look stupid enough when you try to change the subject.
You look even more stupid when to try to misconstrue my argument.
Neither the definition of genocide, nor anything I have written here uses any numbers, nor are they dependent upon specific numbers.
Damn urban redneck, he's taken you to the woodshed. You just sound confused that someone responded to you and didn't listen to you like a typical ZH bobble head and just give you a green arrow.
Your type always resorts to calling names when your inferiority, lies, errors, and faulty reason are exposed.
I have proven him wrong.
When he accepts and admits that, then I might consider addressing his other errors.
However, he will not accept it. Now everyone thinking person in the world is free see that he is clearly wrong. Moreover, everyone else who thinks like him is also just as wrong... and while your case is an exception, that is a shame.
Urban Redneck: "You look stupid" and "You look more stupid"
Urban Redneck: "Your type always resorts to calling names when your inferiority, lies, errors, and faulty reason are exposed."
I couldn't have said it better!
There wasn't a single fact in his post to refute, it sort of limits the appropriate response options. It's not my fault the defenders of genocide are the intellectual dregs of humanity.
A well equipped army with tanks, heavy infantry as well as bombers- against a lightly armed guerilla infantry with no tanks, no air support- kills mostly women and children-no matter how hard they try not to do so- and targets hospitals, schools, UN facilities.
You Israeli apologists can use any sophistry you want but people understand viscerally this Gaza adventure is immoral, evil.
Period.
Given the figures I laid out in the first paragraph, and the lack of international action against "genocide", what facts do you have that Israel is committing genocide?
Lulz, none of their ziobuddies taking them to court is 'evidence' that they're not practising genocide? Like the US would allow any such thing to happen, regardless of what their masters in Israel were actually doing. Israel could hang, draw, and quarter every living Palestinian live on TV and the US government's response would be to urge the Palestinians to stop squirting blood at the Israelis.
Though I personally think the 'genocide' tag inaccurate (ethnic cleansing yes, mass murder yes,, state-terrorism yes, genocide no), the fact is, according to International Law, destroying civilian infrastructure is a genocidal act.
As was pointed out to you, you slippery little weasel.
"destroying civilian infrastructure is a genocidal act."
WRONG Grasshopper!
ONLY, when it is done to "Deliberately [inflict] conditions calculated to physically destroy the group"
Like blowing the power plant, and positioning snipers to nail everyone going for water because the pumps don't work anymore.
Get it yet?
Ah....so you fought for them and can't come to terms with the fact that they used you to murder their enemies?
"Yes, yes, anyone criticising Israel does it because they hate Jews... rather than what one particular bunch of Jews is doing."
I never said that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution
I do notice that you studiously avoid my point:
Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide.
Nice try, weasel. But here's your post:
Note to Jew haters:
Dahiya doctrine: "... the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure"
Genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide.
Keep trying Jew haters!
Certainly looks to me like you're accusing anyone saying Israel is practising genocide (via the Dahiya Doctrine) is a 'Jew Hater'.
BJ:
My point is quite simple: "anyone saying Israel is practising genocide (via the Dahiya Doctrine) is" logically incorrect.
"Infrastructure IS NOT EQUAL TO people, therefore the Dahiya doctrine IS NOT genocide."
Let me break that down for you:
1) Dahiya doctrine is the destruction of Infrastructure - NON living things
2) Genocide is the destruction of People - living things
3) "NON living things" are not equal to "living things"
4) Therefore, Dahiya Doctrine is not equal to Genocide.
How can anyone not follow that?
'Living things' require certain material things in order to survive. In a place like Gaza, the destruction of those things will lead to deaths; many deaths.
Anyway, it's not my definition of genocide; it's the UN's, as has been pointed out to you.
The fact that no other country bothers taking Israel to court isn't evidence that the Dahiya doctrine isn't genocide; it's evidence that Israel can get away with doing anything it likes because everyone else knows the US will block any attempt to chastise it in international court.
It's your interpretation of the UN definition of genocide that I think you don't have a handle on.
How can 2 weeks of urban combat kill only 600 civilians/1,816,000 populaiton IF one is 'DELIBERATELY inflicting conditions calculated to physically destroy the group"?
It will take 87 years at that rate.
That is your "proof" that genocide is occuring:
Isreal is deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to physically destroy the [Gazans] in 87 years?
That just doesn't add up.
Sigh. Read the UN definition again:
Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Let's take this step by step. Are the Israelis deliberately targetting civilian infrastructure? Clearly, yes. Is this (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; again, clearly yes. Is it impossible for all the Palestinians in Gaza to survive without electricity or ready access to clean water? Yes, obviously, an increased mortality from deaths due to disease or attenuated medical care will be a direct result of Israel's actions. Destroyingcivilain infrastructure will kill Palestinians, as a 'a national, ethnical, racial or religious group', 'in part'.
Will these acts kill them all immediately, such that the casualty figures will, at this time, already reflect it? No. But that's not part of the definition, is it?
Give it up. If you'd attempted to dismiss the claims that the Dahiya Doctrine was 'genocide', as the word is commonly defined by people who aren't UN lawyers, you'd have had a point. But you decided to argue, using the UN definition of the word, and you've failed. And your other attempt to argue the point - that it couldn't be genocide, because other nations haven't used the UN charter (yet) to accuse Israel of genocide, is an utter red herring.
Your arguments reflect a very legalistic frame of mind. Are you Israeli?
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
And this is what is NOT happening. When the Israelis prenotify residents of military movements and attacks, when the Israelis leave exit lanes and safe areas, when the Israelis do not target food, water, hospitals, power facilities, then NO, I don't seel the DELIBERATE infliction...conditions of life CALCULATED to bring about its physicla destruction in whole OR IN PART.
Does the Israeli military deliberately and systematically target and destroy infrastructure to bring about the PHYSICAL DESCRUCTION of the group.
It is so obvious that it is not doing that.
Additional proof: 600 civilians killed after 2 weeks of urban combat in an area with a population density of 13,000+ per square mile!
HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE GENOCIDE?
Compare it to other examples of genocide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
Tell me which one Gaza most resembles?
darteaus,
Destruction of infrastructure on the scale done in Gaza leads to many deaths. No water, no power, unsanitary conditions, no way to get in food and medicine.
Mass killing by design, Ben Gurion's, by whatever means, direct or indirect. Death from desease or bullet or falling debris. Who cares, lets argue whose genocide is bigger. History will not be kind to Israel.
Assertion: "Mass killing by design"
Fact: 600 civilian deaths after 2 weeks of urban combat in an area with a population density of 13,000+/square mile.
Assertion is FALSE.
Thank god your opinion is worthless and has no effect AT ALL.
It doesn't even matter if its genocide or not, Israel is OCCUPYING the land and killing women and children. Hell they even bombed U.N. buildings. They don't care. They CREATED Hamas.
So go fuck yourself with your lame-ass argument which is in fact, IRRELEVANT
You must be an idiot. How can bombing infrastructure not be a vital part of genocide when robbing people of their right to power, water, hospitals etc is bombed?
"You must be an idiot."
Hey, I'd never argue against that!
"How can bombing infrastructure not be a vital part of genocide"
When it is not done to, per UN definition of genocide, "Deliberately [inflict] on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"
600 civilian deaths / 1,816,000 total Gaza population in 2 weeks means it will take Israel EIGHTY-SEVEN (87) years to cause the "physical destruction" of the people in Gaza.
What genocidal program was ever calculated to take 87 years?
That is my evidence: THERE IS NO WAY ISRAEL IS PRACTICING GENOCIDE WHEN IT WOULD TAKE 87 YEARS TO EXTERMINATE THE GAZANS.
Now, what evidence do you have?
So, the "aim" is to just blow up infrastructure?
Are you "The Jerk?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXRM3lFRwRI
No
No
The jerks are the NAZIs and Jew Haters. You'll find them all over on this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRcNq4OYTyE
On day the Israelies will find the jews have turned their back on them. Israelies have always been seen as off by other jews and looked the other way, ignoring their tangents or justifiying them. But Israelies have become un-jewish, hostile and crazy.
Israelies just dont hold the same value for human life as other jews do.
Soon the back will be turned and you will find yourself alone, cast out.
Genocide is that step to far. Watch.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/31/what-israelis-regard-as-unimagin...
that doesnt look like infrastructure to me........
Gaza size: 139 square miles
Gaza population: 1,816,379
Gaza density: 13,069.1/sq mi
According to your source: 1,500 tons over two weeks, 600 civilian casualties [75% of 800], and thus 200 fighters who store weapons in schools, build HQs and torture centers in hospitals, etc.
How about some comparisons:
3500 tons & 25,000 deaths - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
1665 tons & 100,000 deaths - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
And you don't see restraint? And you don't see infrastructure in that photo? Really?
Hmmm...
Who were the financiers?
The US taxpayer - as usual!
OK, let me rephrase that.
Who's stealing the tax payers money & arranging the financing?
This ain't no quiz show!
If you've got something to say, spew it!
So, you want a fucking medal for answering the first one?
Oh, that's a trophy, right?
Uh, ok.
Thanks.
"Keep trying Jew haters!"
Keep trying? Asslicks like you make it effortless.
darteaus you call us jew haters.
do you expect us to lick your fridget little fingers expect us to respect you when you do this to kids.
Metzitzah B'peh, Blood-Cock Sucking Jewish Satanic Circumcision Ritualhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/metzitzah-bpeh-blood-sucking-je...
TW:
I said: "Note to Jew Haters:". CLEARLY that is to single out the "Jew Haters".
Does that mean EVERYONE who critisizes Israel is a Jew Hater? Nope.
Does that mean EVERYONE who disagrees with me is a Jew Hater? Nope.
There are many things that I am not saying, those were just two.
However, it's pretty obvious, that many commentators on this thread are Jew Haters. Would you deny that?
PS. What is a "fridget"?
Be specific. Otherwise your accusation is another meaningless ad homonim.
I am NOT a "Jew hater". I am an anti-Zionist.
There is a big difference between Judaism and Zionism.
And I'll leave it at that.
NO, not much difference. The state of Israel is established, so that argument is moot.
From Rabbi Weiss, zionism does not equate to being Jewish. Oh, and be sure to check my membership.
"Zionism is only around a 100 years old. It is the transformation from religion to nationalism, to materialism created by non-religious Jews who hated the religion. The reason they used the name Israel and the Star of David hijacking, stealing the identity of Judaism from the Jewish people in order to get legitimacy for their existence. That people should say it's God given to them and they should put fear and intimidate the people from speaking up against their actions because they will call them anti-semetic. It couldn't be anything further from the truth..."
Stop being a tool.
As I said above, you choose to trust the word of some man, I'm trusting GOD and there is no doubt who wins that argument.
idiot
No. Stop using "God" as an excuse for your hatred, bigotry and ignorance.
Hatred of who?
bigotry of who?
ignorance of what?
When?
Now
Where?
ZH
How?
Repetition
About the same difference between Islam and a Caliphate.
Two wrongs make both of them right?
Since when?
Note to Darteus:
opening with "note to Jew-Haters" isn't a great opener. In fact, it kind of makes you look like a bit of a fucktard.
The "criticism of Israel is Jew hate" smear is so insane even the ADL, agents for Israel, have backed away from it.
Honestly - you need to up yo game, nigga! Your shit be triflin' and tedious, couz!*
*To pilfer from Tony Jeselnik - I can say all that shit - some of my best friends... dressed as blacks for Halloween.
Were the allied governments terrorist governments in WW2 when they did similar things to 'break' the Axis?
Well, Curtis LeMay said he fully expected to be tried for war crimes in the event that the US lost the war.
ALL governments are terror organizations! Some just pretend that they are not.
depleted uranium is being used for palestine wipe out that is a fact.
rothschild family not involved conspiracy init
A new oil discovery in southern Israel might turn out to be the catalyst for an internal and self-destructive war in the Palestinian Authority, with Hamas in Gaza and chairman Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah likely to claim ownership of a new Israeli offshore oil discovery near Ashdod.
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/new-israeli-oil-find-near-gaza-could-dri...
Israel Grants Oil Rights Inside Illegally Occupied Golan Heights Syria: To Rupert Murdoch And Jacob Rothschild.http://politicalvelcraft.org/2014/07/29/rothschilds-israeli-oil-not-to-b...
You missed the part where is says "and Israel's ability to bring genocide to the Palestinians will be achieved using American made/supplied weaponry".
The tribe loves to gloat when they think they're talking amongst themselves, but when it goes goy-stream . . . Poof! Gone. And you're a filthy anti-Semite if you ever mention it.
Purely satanic
karma bats last bitchez
How I long to hear that ping.
Huh - funny how opinions change depending on which side of the question you're on.
All together now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo
Although insanely horrific, Jews telling others when genocide is permissible is fucking hilarious.
Kinda like them driving a Mercedes.
LOL
They didn't mean genocide.
They really just meant ethnic cleansing for "living room" - which, of course, they are entitled to do, and you're a filthy antishemite if you disagree, m'kay?
Ashkenazi Khazarian "Jews" are certainly not Shemite, but are sons of Ham.
Kissinger eats ham.
Wrong, Ashkenaz is descended from Japheth. (Genesis 10:3)
Japheth > Gomer > Ashkenaz.
Ashkenaz was the Grandson of Japheth.
Which of course means they are not Semites (sons of Shem).
You know all that shit is make believe - don't you?
You'll find out soon that it is certainly not make believe.
"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires." - 2 Peter 3:3
Duplicate.
Well, it goes like this, from bottom to top:
Beliefs
Truths
Facts
Clearly, for many first base is good enough...
You left out solution, and final.
Apart from that you hit it.
Bring on some dancing Jews.....
Here you go!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-...
The peeps who vowed "Never again" ...
Oh, that was only for you guys ...
The irony.
Going back in time, were the Redskins genocided? Was it worth it? I'd argue no. But there are many immigrants, particularly those of Euro decent, who feel a sense of patriotism to their conquered lands, who'd disagree. (downvote me please if you're one of them)
Columbus alone genocided so many innocent Indians he got himself a national holiday
Stupid fuck,Columbus was a marano.
Both sides believe genocide is permissible; they just can't say it out loud.
A 'neutralizing' gas smelling like a car deodorant comes easily to their educated minds like a magic fix. All transference without redemption fails the test.
I am sure Israel is working on another bigger false flag event which will allow them to then gas all the palis in Gaza and West Bank
I'm waiting for the IDF to catapult Arabs they've inected with plague over the walls... or the modern equivalent.
If the Arabs weren't Semites themselves I'm sure the Israelis would have developed a bio weapon that targets Arabs. As it is, there's just enough Semitic blood in the average Israeli that it would kill lots of them, too.
Except the Ashkenazi jews like Netanyahu... very little if any semitic blood in them. Of course that's just what science and DNA testing tells us.
So if the covenants with God found in the Torah (Old Testament) are with the lineages of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and of course King David (Let's remember that Yahweh was always a family god which allowed for a lineage of kings right down to Jesus... born of the House of David remember?) then the Ashkenazi are quite simply not Jews in the traditional sense like the Sephardim who are clearly semitic like the rest of the regions Arabs including the Palestinians themselves.
"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe."
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Geneti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions
Didn't you know? If you practice Judaism, your DNA majickally becomes Jewish too!
I'll borrow this to hit that idiot Jlee over the head with, if you don't mind...
Big Jim, check out Prof. Shlomo Sand.
"In When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?, Dr. Sand, an expert on European history at the University of Tel Aviv, says the Diaspora was largely a myth – that the Jews were never exiled en masse from the Holy Land and that many European Jewish populations converted to the faith centuries later. (Sand’s book was published in English as The Invention of the Jewish People.)
Thus, Sand argues, many of today’s Israelis who emigrated from Europe after World War II have little or no genealogical connection to the land. According to Sand’s historical analysis, they are descendents of European converts, principally from the Kingdom of the Khazars in eastern Russia, who embraced Judaism in the Eighth Century, A.D."
Also The 13th Tribe by another Jew. Some of these guys are taking risks by trying to do the right thing.
I would be more concerned that the somewhere between incompetent and insane Hamas leadership, which the nut cases in Jerusalem insist on continually empowering, enriching and entrenching in Gaza- might soon figure out how easy it is to use the IDF's beloved Iron Dome against Israel and force them to turn it off.
But if either side goes medieval on the other, I would expect something less lethal and more containable to be used, because I don't believe either side (on the ground) wants to throw something over the wall only to have it thrown back in their face and induce an unacceptable loss.
might soon figure out how easy it is to use the IDF's beloved Iron Dome against Israel and force them to turn it off.
?
Iron Dome interceptors use a high explosive fragmentation warhead with a proximity fuse to destroy incoming rockets at altitude and (just) outside of population centers before those rockets can drop into populated areas and their high explosive warheads detonate on impact in that populated area. This only works great as long destroying the rocket in midair causes less damage than letting it impact the ground. The strategy is as old as Sun Tsu and the technology is even more ancient than the rockets Hamas is currently fielding, and it doesn't require any more knowledge, skill, or research than a few STEM undergrads can crank out in short order. I didn't mention the "coincidentally" named Crimean Fever in another thread today just because a crazy white Canadian can pick it up from the local bush meat and bring it to the lower 48, but also because it was one of the earliest (and simplest) biological weapons of the modern era.
The fanatics on both sides of this dispute seem to be under the misconception that there is some other long term option than making peace and finding a way to live side by side, where they "win". Whether the tactics are high tech or low tech, high $ cost or low $ cost, high human cost or low human cost is somewhat beside the point when the strategy is a losing one.
No, I think they'd be safe -- and they know it. Genetic research is showing that the Ashkenazis are significantly Khazar and other European stock. Not Semites. It's all a huge freaking hoax and it has become our dominant mythology promulgated by KoolAid-swilling apostatic "Christians". What a country.
This guy is a paranoid delusional, murdering, genocide committing, wacko freakshow dickhead, who spews mostly lies, and believes his own lies to justify his killing in the name of..
I think you've got the idea.
That tells you all you need to know about Israels intentions.
This is a War Crime.
If I stole my neighbor's 3 year old kid's tricycle, and as a result he declared war on me, called me a bunch of names, threw rocks at me and said he wanted to kill me, would I then be entitled to beat the shit out of him, kill his dog, tip over his sandbox and lock him in the basement for 3 years? After all, he threatened me with annihilation.
Don't forget that you've been occupying his kitchen for a while too...
And all the exits.
#41
This isnt out of left field - has no one hear read the excellent, page-turner by Max Blumenthal - "Goliath"?
"Beyond Chutzpah" was a long hard slog meticulously proving its case [not that it matters to the Dershowitzes of the world - they are simply Jewish Supremacists and immune to contrary evidence] but Goliath was more like a spy novel or something.
anyway -
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-...
Wait a second.....
does he realize he just supported the idea that the holocaust was a viable and tenable option for Germany in WW II?
"If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?
"
Wow, just wow.....
It's like a victim of abuse growing up to become the abuser but at a state level...
"The problem with Hitler was that he was an underachiever" - Bill Hicks
Then, of course, they need to pay back all the billions they've soaked the Germans for.
And Americans, even though we had nothing to do with it and we "rescued" their sorry asses.
How many more billions have they looted from us? LOL
Stockholm, I mean Tel Aviv Syndrome
Who do you think came up with the plan the Nazi's used. It wasn't the German military. The Zionist have been using the same play book forever. It never works for very long. Zionist will kill Jews just like they kill everbody else. If you are not in the club your Fucked. The question is where are they going to run this time. Are they draining the swamps in S. America so they can run there again just like they did before and during WW2. Are they sending all the sick illegals to the US so it will be nice an clean for them. Think outside the box don't listen to the MSM. And when the time comes don't hate on your Jewish friends they didn't make the club either.
>>>>>The Zionist have been using the same play book forever. Zionist will kill Jews just like they kill everbody else.
After digging until my eyes bled, I came to that conclusion. It was after hearing Ahmedinjad denying the holocause. I thought that was insane. That is until I followed the money & of course Prescott Bush was just one player. So's I axed my Iraqi muslim friend with a degree in theology, as this person would NEVER speak of such nasties. It was confirmed that it's the dumbass murikans are the only ones in the world blissfully unaware of this fact.
Now here's some supreme irony...
My friend is considering converting to Judaism.
nazi lives ... in israel.
So the guy gets in trouble for telling the truth?????
Ha HA HAAAA. The fucking jews let the truth out for a minute, then PANIC fearing that America would cutoff the trillion or so a year they milk from us. Fuck Israel and all that support it.
We only wish the US would cut them off. He only stated out loud what has been Israeli policy for years. And they have used US money and arms to do it all along. I don't see it stopping now until the US power structure ends. And that won't be elections.
I'm gonna state this out-right....all the conflicts waged in the last 30 years have been "pussy" wars
When the gloves come off...(US spent how much money since Ray-Gun)
You haven't seen nothin yet....Maybe it's good our President likes to play golf and not....screw you...watch this
I don't see where the golf-playing has altered anything one bit. Drinking tea, playing golf etc AND NOT allowing US tax dollars to be stolen through foreign entanglements, yes...
When is genocide permissible?
When you're the one dealing it out.
"How does one say "holocaust" in Arabic?!"
So some nimwit nobody posts an inflamatory editorial and this is news?
The mindless ZH Nazis will eat this up, and ZH more than happy to feed them tripe
No no, we're talking about the zionazis...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
Come here often?
Only when he has Hasbara duties to perform
It's amazing how many 'people' you've never seen before come out of the woodwork to announce their approval of Judeofascism.
My favorite way to get a sheeple's attention on the Ashkenazi is to point out that the NAACP was NOT founded by blacks, but by white Jews and one mulatto communist.
The NAACP's first 75 years of presidents/heads were also white Jews.
"I can't say what it means, but I do know that it can't be good."
I guess that explains why they gave Donald Sterling a lifetime achievement award...Twice!. Fucking insanity !
OK then... who was Charles Manson working for?
Its the Israeli Times, douchebag, not some extremist outlier. Not that you fucking care, just here to make sure the noise level stays high and maybe the waters can be muddied enough that people forget the original issue. You missed using 'antisemitism' in your post by the way.
Since when was the Times of Israel a major newspaper?
'As of February 2014, two years after its launch, it claims a readership of 2 million'. Population of Israel, 7.9 million. For comparison, New York Times circulation - 1.865 million, USA Today circulation - 1.674 million.
Mr Huxley, I hope you realize that facts are "anti-semitic".
I can claim two million people read me. Doesn't mean it's actually happening. Do you even realize that you just claimed the times of Israel has more readers than the USA today and the New York Times and you actually believe this and even better a dozen other people agreed with you?
Keep digging, eventually you'll hit rock bottom.
http://www.jta.org/2014/02/25/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/times-of-i...
I didn't claim it, they did. Or maybe they're lying - what else might they lie about then? Maybe they're lying about the Israeli actions in Gaza. Fuck, if I can't trust them to give me accurate readership numbers, why should I trust their explanations for their crimes against humanity?
You're right 'Frostfan'
Who the fuck needs the "Times of Israel" to tell you that you are the most deranged psychopathic scum on the face of the earth next to your two best buddies who repeatedly commit the same murder without any remorse?...
The United States of America and Britain that made you possible -of course!!!
https://twitter.com/iamG4Z4/status/492798760506765312
We need to get Chris Kyle's fan club together with this Israeli sniper for a party and celebrate together!
So when somebody in your tribe says it, he's just a "lone nut job" who does not represent the feelings of all the other "good Jews", but when a non Jew says something even remotely close to that about Jews, they are proof positive that the entire world are anti-semites that hate Jews without just cause?
Well now, ain't that special?...
Agreed that many ZH posters are loathsome antisemites. Likely, they have been brought up in religious households which is never a good thing.
But the other truth verified by MANY independent reporters in Israel is that RACISM and unethical notions of collective guilt and punishment have taken deep roots in todays Israeli society and government.
Dingo, it all starts with the bankrupt idea that "a people" can have a birth right to lands that they no longer occupy. The idea of genetic entitlement is a filthy one, don't you agree? Ther is no moral or ethical underpinning to such a view of things.
That said, Israeli's do have a right to defend themselves. If the money is cut off to Israel, as it has been to the Palestinians for decades now, then we will see solutions and compromise leaping to actuality.
As an American, I *strongly* object to my tax dollars funding this continueing assault on GAZA.
Are you really so naive as to believe that being labeled an "anti-semite" even fucking matters anymore? That term has been used and abused to the point that it is worn out and ineffectual. It's meaningless.
That said, Israeli's do have a right to defend themselves.
Don't you think that 'right' is lost when they're committing slo-mo ethnic cleansing?
As I said, the situation is complicated.
Jews ethnically cleansed parts of Israel to make room for their diaspora. That was deeply immoral. Now there are generations of Israeli's who live where the former owners (the Palestinians) had lived. Should they be moved off? I don't think that is moral either.
People do not have a birth right to land no matter how one spins it. Yet the Palestinians need justice and fair compensation, not apartheid.
Should the Israeli's have the right (and American arms) to corral their Palestinian neighbors into a massive ghetto? No.
What of the newly emerged Islamic radicalism that has hatched out of this terrible Israeli policy? I think of this Jihadist/Religious mindset as a type of viral Meme that needs to be treated and sometimes the only solution if death. Sad to say this.
What is your solution. I think we need to evoke Rodney King about this time.
Frankly, the only way I can see this being resolved is for the American people to say 'enough' to their 'representatives' and for the US to basically just bribe the Palestinians to fuck off somewhere else.
But, as 'our' leaders benefit from the ongoing mayhem, I imagine the conflict to drag on until the Israelis just drive the Palestinians away or the USD collapses and Israel suddenly discovers its bitch can no longer keep it on top... then things will get 'interesting'. The Israelis will be forced to either come to an accommodation or really commit genocide. From what I've seen of their national psyche, I think they'd opt for the latter.
Hey, our Representatives don't give a rats ass about what the little people want.
You want to salve the Isreali-Palastine conflict? Then work for getting money's influence and the Washington-Corporate resolving door out of our political system.
Seriously, work on this if nothing else.
That's the "solution?" Ha! Sorry.
There's religious pinning here, and it ain't going away.
As long as there's a power seat those who "believe" their god has given them special permission to take it, will.
It's nothing but silly human games, deception. Ebb and flow. Because nothing can stay static it is assured that NO ONE will EVER rule over everyone else for any appreciable time.
Too many make the mistake of believing that gloating is a glue...
"Jews ethnically cleansed parts of Israel to make room for their diaspora. That was deeply immoral. Now there are generations of Israeli's who live where the former owners (the Palestinians) had lived. Should they be moved off? I don't think that is moral either."
That's not even close to a rational point. How can you say on the one hand that yes, the Jews stole the land and that is immoral but to return the stolen property to those from whom it was stolen is also immoral. That's the kind of answer a politician makes when he's trying to please everyone and say the truth to nobody. It's a cop-out.
If they are conducting ethnic cleansing, they aren't very good at it.
To the contrary. Slowly boil the frogs... Don't get the on-lookers when it happens slowly: difficult part today is that the Internet is able to challenge the MSM (and its control), so we now can actually see and hear how the frogs are slowly being boiled.
No, they're extremely good at it. Well before 1948 Zionists set out to own all of the Palestinians' land, and, less than 70 years later, they've almost succeeded.
http://rabble.ca/news/2013/09/whos-afraid-map-palestine-bus-ads-spark-de...
They're taking their time. Why not? They're in no hurry, as the history of Zionism plainly shows. They've been working towards this for a long time; a missionary in Turkey reported the Rothschilds had tried to purchase Palestine from the Ottoman Sultan... in 1827.
"* We have lately a report that the Rothschilds, well known
Jewish bankers, (the richest individuals doubtless in the world,)
have proposed to purchase Palestine of the Turkish government. "
https://archive.org/stream/aresidenceatcon00brewgoog/aresidenceatcon00br...
They're following the script, as laid out in Deuteronomy:
Little by little he will drive out these nations as you advance. You will not be able to destroy them all at once, for, if you did, the number of wild animals would increase and be a threat to you. 23 The Lord will put your enemies in your power and make them panic until they are destroyed. 24 He will put their kings in your power. You will kill them, and they will be forgotten. No one will be able to stop you; you will destroy everyone.
So, 3500+ years and the Jews still haven't driven "out these nations as you advance.", but your opinion is that the Jews are "extremely good at [ethnic cleansing]".
Uh-huh.
Here are some generally recognized examples of ethnic cleansing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansings
What is happening in Gaza is not genocide or ethnic cleansing.
The facts do not support your opinion, so your opinion is based on...hate?
But the other truth verified by MANY independent reporters in Israel is that RACISM and unethical notions of collective guilt and punishment have taken deep roots in todays Israeli society and government.
So people who oppose this are frequently called "antisemites" - so what term of opprobrium can we use against the zionist-engendered *hate* of Arabs, or non-Jews generally, which many Israelis quite obviously cling to?
GW was called an antisemite in a post up earlier today by the second comment - all he did was comment on Israeli government action.
'Antisemite' is like an Israeli missile strike - sometmes it gets the right target, but usually it's pretty inaccurate.
Obviously, I'll take responsibility for my own comments and no others.
Yes, Comrade Duffy. One worn out and repulsive strategy used by Zionists is to claim their opponents are motivated by religious bigotry. It is disgraceful to see politicians flee from that particular accusation like a vampire from sunlight.
But the solution to that line of attack is to stick to one's principles and, more so these days then in the past, the public at large will see the ad hominem for what it is.
The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accuser. That truth must be emphasized.
It must be hard to dance on the head of a pin....
Not really. If you don't see nuances to this conflict then you are not paying close attention.
This world needs a Bibi Eating DingoX222
The fact that they would even float this trial balloon ('is the world ready to let us drop the charade here and just go flat out with our plan? I dunno, put something out there on the web and lets see what kind of response we get') is pretty telling as to Israeli intentions.
The world may complain, but what are they doing about it?