"Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel, Promptly Retracts

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The Times Of Israel has removed a provocatively-titled blog post after huge blowback, denunciations, and ridicule across social media. The post - "When Genocide Is Permissible" (in full below) - concludes, "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?" Removal or not, we are sure this will do nothing to endear Israel to the world.

 

The Times Of Israel site Before and After...

h/t @PrisonPlanet

 

And thanks to The Way-Back Machine, here is the full article...

When Genocide Is Permissible (authored by Yochanan Gordon)

Judging by the numbers of casualties on both sides in this almost one-month old war one would be led to the conclusion that Israel has resorted to disproportionate means in fighting a far less- capable enemy. That is as far as what meets the eye. But, it’s now obvious that the US and the UN are completely out of touch with the nature of this foe and are therefore not qualified to dictate or enforce the rules of this war – because when it comes to terror there is much more than meets the eye.

 

I wasn’t aware of this, but it seems that the nature of warfare has undergone a major shift over the years. Where wars were usually waged to defeat the opposing side, today it seems – and judging by the number of foul calls it would indicate – that today’s wars are fought to a draw. I mean, whoever heard of a timeout in war? An NBA Basketball game allows six timeouts for each team during the course of a game, but last I checked this is a war! We are at war with an enemy whose charter calls for the annihilation of our people. Nothing, then, can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.

 

The sad reality is that Israel gets it, but its hands are being tied by world leaders who over the past six years have insisted they are such good friends with the Jewish state, that they know more regarding its interests than even they do. But there’s going to have to come a time where Israel feels threatened enough where it has no other choice but to defy international warnings – because this is life or death.

 

Most of the reports coming from Gazan officials and leaders since the start of this operation have been either largely exaggerated or patently false. The truth is, it’s not their fault, falsehood and deceit is part of the very fabric of who they are and that will never change. Still however, despite their propensity to lie, when your enemy tells you that they are bent on your destruction you believe them. Similarly, when Khaled Meshal declares that no physical damage to Gaza will dampen their morale or weaken their resolve – they have to be believed. Our sage Gedalia the son of Achikam was given intelligence that Yishmael Ben Nesanyah was plotting to kill him. However, in his piety or rather naiveté Gedalia dismissed the report as a random act of gossip and paid no attention to it. To this day, the day following Rosh Hashana is commemorated as a fast day in the memory of Gedalia who was killed in cold blood on the second day of Rosh Hashana during the meal. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over. History is there to teach us lessons and the lesson here is that when your enemy swears to destroy you – you take him seriously.

 

Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?

 

News anchors such as those from CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera have not missed an opportunity to point out the majority of innocent civilians who have lost their lives as a result of this war. But anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent civilian. If you’ll counter, that Hamas has been seen abusing civilians who have attempted to leave their homes in response to Israeli warnings to leave – well then, your beginning to come to terms with the nature of this enemy which should automatically cause the rules of standard warfare to be suspended.

 

Everyone agrees that Israel has the right to defend itself as well as the right to exercise that right. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has declared it, Obama and Kerry have clearly stated that no one could be expected to sit idle as thousands of rockets rain down on the heads of its citizens, placing them in clear and present danger. It seems then that the only point of contention is regarding the measure of punishment meted out in this situation.

 

I will conclude with a question for all the humanitarians out there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?

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The author just apologized...

I wish to express deep regret and beg forgiveness for an article I authored which was posted on 5TJT.com, Times of Israel and was tweeted and shared the world over.

 

I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

 

With that said I pray and hope for a quick peaceful end to the hostilities and that all people learn to coexist with each other in creating a better world for us all.

 

Yochanan Gordon

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Well that's ok then...

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conscious being's picture

JLee would fit in fine. He's not a Jew like MadLame NotSoBright who was famously OK with killing some apalling number of Iraqi children via sanctions. MadLame only, miraculously discovered she was a Jewess after all, once her Sec. Of State role was done. Knoodleman hides out as Nuland, Timmy G is Episcopalian, and Lurch the Khon becomes irish Johnny Kerry.  SOP shape shifting for these guys.

Checkout 'westpapua' posting on these threads, applauding the slaughter of Palestinian Semites. Like we're supposed to believe some guy, maybe in a grass hut in West Papua [New Guinea] has a big hard on for the Zino entity. Not.

JLee2027's picture
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Winston Churchill's picture

Hardly.

Hitler explored a lot of options before commiting at Wannsee to genocide.

Of course the UK ,and US would not agree to any of them, so he eventually decided

on a final solution, much like Israel seems to have.

 

disabledvet's picture

The "Final Solution" was a policy created of an inevitable victory that turned into not just an absolute defeat...but a shockingly quick one at that.

"The Germans never saw it coming."

And the USA has a habit of demanding "Unconditional Surrender" I might add. That's why JFK and his cronies made sure to get us involved in East Asia...where such options were never on the table.

That's not true "over there."

Monty Burns's picture

 "before commiting at Wannsee to genocide".  The only evidence for that is some dubious 'confessions' from compromised prisoners.  The Germans are famous for scrupulous documentation but there's nothing about exterminating Jews there. The program was to expel all of them from the Reich (after exploiting them as slave labor)and the attendees were tasked with working out the logistics.

oudinot's picture

Why don't you attack Cosmos arguements, theories with your own counter point  rather than just use the length of time as your intellectual barometer.

Pathetic.

 

Xandrino's picture

Well the article justifies it, that's the topic bitch.

 

The only troll here is the one taking home in your fistfucked asshole.

snodgrass's picture

The ashkenazis have always been NAZIS. That's where the term Nazi came from.

Leonardo Fibonacci2's picture

It comforts me that Adolf Hitler outsmarted these scumbags.  I guess he did the best he could but did not eliminate this vermin completely

August's picture

>>>they have them in Ghettoes and they are exterminating them.

So... it's true. 

The shade of Adolf Hitler is now hanging out with the Elders of Zion, swapping Holocaust jokes.

BigJim's picture

 We are at war with an enemy whose charter calls for the annihilation of our people. Nothing, then, can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.

Day by day, they just stand up and lie with impunity.

JLee2027's picture

Just another stage of the long planned genocide and land theft.

That's why Israel removed it's miliary from Gaza in 1994 and allowed the pals to "self-govern". Because it was part of the long range plan to make the pals blow themselves up so they could be exterminated and the land occupied.

Israel, the brilliance. I didn't see it until now.

john39's picture

the ongoing blockade of gaza is an act of war...  nice try a deception though.

JLee2027's picture

Act of war against WHO? Israel owns the land. You cannot make an act of war against yourself.

 

Make sure you get all your troll aliases to down arrow me.

john39's picture

Israel "owns" the gaza strip? better check your math on that...  that is patently absurd.

JLee2027's picture

Absurd or not, historically true. The Promised Land includes the Gaza strip.

BigJim's picture

 Absurd or not, historically true. The Promised Land includes the Gaza strip.

At least your position is consistent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe God gave the land to the Jews. You also believe modern 'Jews' are - somehow - still heirs to a land they haven't lived in for 1400 years... and, despite most of them having very little actual Semitic ethnicity (and often, are not 'Jewish' in terms of their religious beliefs, either), these immigrants still have greater title than the people directly descended from those who lived there for scores of generations, and are actually ethnically more akin to the ancient Judeans?

Would that be how your mind 'works' on this subject?

This looks pretty stupid to 99% of the rest of humanity, of course, but as Voltaire once commented, once they can get you to believe absurdities, they can get you to commit atrocities.

edit: courtesy of 'Zer0head' below...

Except the Ashkenazi jews like Netanyahu... very little if any semitic blood in them. Of course that's just what science and DNA testing tells us.

 

So if the covenants with God found in the Torah (Old Testament) are with the lineages of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and of course King David  (Let's remember that Yahweh was always a family god which allowed for a lineage of kings right down to Jesus... born of the House of David remember?) then the Ashkenazi are quite simply not Jews in the traditional sense like the Sephardim who are clearly semitic like the rest of the regions Arabs including the Palestinians themselves.

 

"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe."

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Geneti...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

 

JLee2027's picture

Meh, GOD knows the people he personally called and gathered back to Israel. I trust him.

Ezekiel 37:21-22

Tell them: Thus speaks the Lord GOD:) I will take the Israelites from among the nations to which they have come, and gather them from all sides to bring them back to their land. I will make them one nation upon the land, in the mountains of Israel, and there shall be one prince for them all. Never again shall they be two nations, and never again shall they be divided into two kingdoms.

BigJim's picture

Well, GOD might know. And you might well trust HIM. But - unless you've got him on direct dial like Dubya - He's not giving you the direct scoop Himself these days, is He?

You appear to just assume that the current crop of European carpetbaggers invading that land are definitely the people Ezekial was referring to. Are you SURE? Why? Because they say so?

JLee2027's picture

I don't need any more "scoop", having been told the "scoop". And now you have too. The idea that Israel is not legitimate is false.

BigJim's picture

Now you're being evasive. And no, I haven't 'got the scoop now too', because Ezekial, viewed from the present, is ambiguous. So you can't 'know' the scoop, unless you're relying on someone else's interpretation... and how do you know that 'someone else' is actually channelling God, and not one of the many false prophets we're warned about in Torah?

You know, - and again, correct me if I'm wrong - my understanding is that God 'gave' the land to the Israelites (not just the Jews iirc) on the condition they kept to a certain set of rules that God also gave them. And they lost the Land (according to their teachings) because they were no longer keeping those rules.

Now, I personally loathe homophobes. But GOD seems to be quite homophobic, instructing his followers to kill them.

Israel - and zionists generally - celebrate diversity (unless that 'diversity' happens to be Palestinian, natch!) and by 'celebrate', I mean not only tolerate it, but appear to actively promote it. They certainly don't punish people for being homosexual. So they're not keeping their covenant with God in that department, are they? Ironically, the people who ARE obeying God's edicts to the Israelites (in this instance)... are the Muslims. And oh how Israelis RELISH pointing out the barbarism of Muslim countries... carrying out God's will.

They don't slaughter animals as sacrifice to God any more, either, despite it being pleasing to His Nostrils.

In fact, the OT is full of bizarre laws that God told the Israelites to keep, which the Israelis manifestly don't.

Now, if they got kicked off the Promised Land because they weren't sticking to God's rules, and they're still not keeping God's rules, and weren't back in 1948 either, how are they any more entitled to the Land now?

We've already dismissed the idea that they are somehow ethnically the same people as the Judeans, so that's not the answer either, is it?

Over to you, JLee2027.

JLee2027's picture

The issue has been answered and is closed. 

BigJim's picture

A liar AND a coward you are, 'JLee2027'.

trulz4lulz's picture

Tell them: Thus speaks the Lord GOD:) I will take the Israelites from among the nations to which they have come, and gather them from all sides to bring them back to their land. I will make them one nation upon the land, in the mountains of Israel, and there shall be one prince for them all. Never again shall they be two nations, and never again shall they be divided into two kingdoms.

How clever, the people who wrote a book about themselves guranteed themselves a land contract bound by the fantasy man in the sky! Well, Ill be damned, hold the presses, someones imagination is taking precidence to science, DNA and International Law! We are so fucked.

Winston Churchill's picture

Land contracts are only good for six years here in the US.

oudinot's picture

You are  really deluded.

BTW:  There is only one Jewish tribe that is left so Ezekiel's God wasn't that powerful after all, was he?

JLee2027's picture

You can personally see how powerful GOD is.  When are you going to the Promised Land to expel the Joos? 

PeterB's picture

Rest assured you can leave that up to your own kind as what other tribe can compete with your instinctive sacrificial nature to save one's DNA backed bank account

Omen IV's picture

same USA sanctioned genocide and ethnic cleansing in the east ukraine - as Yulia Timoshenko articulated - "7 million to be nuked" 

aided and abetted by the USA with money, personnel and tactical advice.

morty_schatzberg's picture

Just like their diaspora is doing to every single European derived nation on the planet. We're all Palestinians now.

Dugald's picture

 

Ooops! we just got a look behind the curtain!

logicalman's picture

Agreed.

So, if the Germans did to the 'Jewish People' what those people claim they did, it was an unforgivable crime, but when those people do the same thing to the Palestinians it's because they have the RIGHT to exist???!!!

WTF.

GENOCIDE IS GENOCIDE, doesn't matter who's doing it, it's fucking wrong.

BigJim's picture

 "Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel...

It's not Israelis' musings on the subject that are the issue, it's their everyday practice of them.

Rainman's picture

hell, the dude was only asking a question.

BigJim's picture

 We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?

I think this is what might be called a leading question.

Ironically, if every government has the right to commit genocide to ensure security and peace for its citizens, then I guess he must think the Palestinians have the right to kill every Israeli occupying their stolen land.

Somehow, I doubt he's particularly even-handed when it comes to applying his 'principles'.

JLee2027's picture

Israel isn't stealing land. They own the land. They permit the Pals to live on it. For free. In return they get attacked by rockets and if the wall wasn't there, suicide bombers. 

Everyone conviently forgets that Israel in 1994 as part of the ""PEACE"" process gave Gaza the right to self-govern. What followed were waves of suicide bombers and HAMAS. So much for the ""PEACE"" process and the rights to self-govern. It's obviously not working. 

trulz4lulz's picture

Cant tell if this is sarcasm? Surely this is sarcasm.

alien-IQ's picture

I'm pretty sure he actually believes what he's saying.

JLee2027's picture
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Get lost troll.
JLee2027's picture

ZH being infested by anti-Israelites and all new members. Same group of guys with multiple aliases.

alien-IQ's picture

being pro common sense is not being "anti-israeli" but is just a happy coincidence that israelis have proven to be anti-common sense..

JLee2027's picture

So what's your solution? There is an enemy at the gate waiting to enter your house and kill everyone inside. You cannot make peace with them, you've tried for 66 years.

And your answer is?

 

alien-IQ's picture

Nigga please, sell that bullshit to someone who don't read. Go fuck yourself.

JLee2027's picture

So, you don't have a solution. Or, to be fair, don't want to share it. Fair enough.

Don't critize me then, unless you're man enough to share your ideas.

alien-IQ's picture

Some asshole like yourself who advocates the killing of women and children from F16's and Drones and tanks does not have a right to call himself a man. You are not a man. You are not even human. You are a sociopathic coward.

JLee2027's picture

Hysteria and emotional nonsense. If Israel wanted to do that, the Gaza Strip would be glass by morning, as you well know. 

You won't give a solution, but you choose to critize people for pointing out the truth. This is the land of Israel, and they allow the pals to live there (truth). I do believe that is the most practical solution to allow the pals to stay, but the pals want to make it impossible by relentlessly attacking Israel to destory their own benefactors (truth). I agree with Joan Rivers, if New Jersey were shooting Rockets into New York, New Jersey would be wiped out. (and no one would shed a tear - my own contribution). Again, nothing but truth.

And yet most here don't see it. Try living in a house with rockets going overhead and see how long you tolerate it. You cannot let your children outside, they might be killed. Everytime you hear the siren, you take cover.

It is inhuman to ask people to live like that, and Israel has every right to defend themselves. It's absolute ignorance that you are unable or unwilling to see that.

A final truth. The Bible predicts nations will rise up against Israel, possibly the entire world, and GOD will destory every nation who does so. But Israel will live. Looking at the responses on this message board, I can see how that will happen. Many of you have gone bat shit crazy with hatred of Israel, with all kind of untrue reasons. All you need is to be pushed a bit more and you'll personally be boarding transport to attack and destroy the "Joos".

So God is correct. Again. May he have mercy on you.