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Obama: "We Tortured Some Folks"
One day after what otherwise would be an epic scandal (in any other administration) when it was revealed that not only did the CIA indeed spy on the Senate, but had lied when it denied doing so (something for which it subsequently apologized, the spying that is, not the lying) Obama had to field a question about just this topic during one of his daily populist press conferences in which as usual he took credit for anything that is seasonally-adjusted right with the economy (not much) and blamed all that is wrong on the republicans. This is what he said.
"In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did things that were contrary to our values."
So... is "droning folks" not contrary to "our" values? As for the question at hand, from Politico:
“I have full confidence in John Brennan,” Obama said of the CIA chief who served as Obama’s top White House counterterrorism adviser during his first term.
The president noted Brennan’s apology and said “some very poor judgment was shown” by the CIA personnel who pried into the Senate files in what CIA officials have described as an attempt to investigate a possible security breach.
While Brennan was dismissive in his public comments about the episode when it was disclosed earlier this year, the president said Brennan had moved to get to the bottom of the incident. “Keep in mind: John Brennan called for that IG report,” Obama said.
During his first campaign for the White House, Obama often blasted the Bush administration for its interrogation tactics, which he called both “torture” and “deplorable.” Soon after taking office, Obama signed an executive order banning many of the controversial techniques.
However, the president has seemed less enthusiastic about exposing the details of the CIA program or holding people accountable for the tactics he has denounced as torture.
In 2009, he briefly entertained and then dismissed Sen. Patrick Leahy’s idea for a bipartisan commission to examine the interrogation practices.
In light of all these new revelations, we encourage readers to immediately cease and decist their cynicism, and "choose hope", as per the torture-condoning president's recent diktat to the masses, as otherwise the likelihood of joining the ranks of "folks" tortured and/or droned approaches unity.
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We????????????
In case there was any question, we are "folks."
Folks, we cannot lie; we tortured some folks.
We're all one big complicit socialist folks now.
Let's all cry together.
And a handful of benzodiazopines for all us good folks and we'll fell better when we come to.....
Let's all sing Kumbayah and then Happy Happy Joy Joy for the recessional
If he allows himself to be publicly waterboarded, one session for every "folk" tortured, apology accepted! He is after all a benevolent King.
If you’are going to make a totalitarian fascist omelet, you gotta’ break some legs.
It really is a lala land fantasy world now ain't it? I mean just when I think this shit can't get any more surreal....it does.
gh0atrider loves it when Obama gets all folksy, trying to level with the average 'merican before stuffing Michael's mangina.
He is a liar...period.
"We 'elected' some fucks"
"If you want to keep your torture, you can keep your torture."
It is more accurate if the jerk said, "We torture some folks and we just seem to keep on torturing them."
"Sorry that it is you folks that we keep on torturing."
"Don't fight it, son. Confess quickly. If you hold out too long, you could jeopardize your credit rating."
+1 for great Brazil reference! A way underappreciated portrayal of the world these morons have created.
Exactly, next he will make arrangements for importing the Ebola virus to the US. Who would believe that? Impossible. It might kill all the "folks".
Exactly, next he will make arrangements for importing the Ebola virus to the US. Who would believe that? Impossible. It might kill all the "folks".
Surreal indeed. "[F]ull confidence in John Brenner"?! Why is this liar not in the cell next to Clapper's?
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Fuk that get out and spend comrade consumer. Borrow if you have to , to save the empire!
EHHHH, that's all, folks!
Constant reference to folks (in German volks) and homeland (Homeland Security) have always had a very Third Reich vib to them.
No fucking shit. And everybody has to wear a lapel pin.... Everybody has to fly a flag.... On Independence Day, we don't celebrate freedom, we celebrate the military victories and fallen troops (BTW, nobody died at the signing of the Declaration in Philadelphia on July 4, 17776... just an FYI for perspective) Marches, parades.... military plane flyovers of sporting events.... the list is endless
USA USA USA USA USA USA
First of all, you don't torture "folks." Second, aren't "we" supposed to be better than they?
Oh damn it, that's right.
We tortured terrorists, not folks.
And we are not just better then them.
We're exceptional.
Gettin' sloppy, barry
"We obviously didn't torture enough folks, otherwise 9/11 never would have happened. Now pass me those pliers and a blowtorch." —Dick Fucking Cheney
Knuckles & McMolotov beat me to it. Both of my thoughts on the subject are already presented.
If we're all so "exceptional" why do so many Merikans feel like Broke Down Donkeys?
Cause we're in the House of Mirrors. The idea that every American can own a house, each family member have a car, go on vacations, spend all day on Amazon buying shit they don't need...need I go on?...is nothing but a lie to get you to take out loans in pursuit of the American Dream. NO society that has ever existed, nor any society in the future, can ever provide that utopia. Period.
He's right, they did torture some folks, and folks is all of us. We folks have been tortured for years by a system whose sole design is to continually tighten our handcuffs, be they financial, social, whatever...once one discovers this and ways to work outside that system a euphoric feeling takes over and that, my friends, is freedom regaining its footing in your life.
Barack Obama does not use the word "We"
It's always "I" or "Me"
so in this case-
Barack Obama: I tortured some folks.
WE are tortured every time his wife is on TeeVee or her photo is shown
BTW, did she get the part in the next film, or did it go once again to Peter Mayhew?
"the chimps are riding the ponies"...C. Heston
During the night of the election returns in 2008, I was in a pub that specializes in German beers on tap. It is in a liberal/progressive neighborhood. The elections were on the big screen t.v.s and many of the patrons were cheering loudly. I left with a very bad feeling. It felt like Germany in 1933.
Yep, and the 'enemy' is you 'folks' out there.
So now at what point does Terrorist = Freedom Fighter?
Depends on which side writes the history book
HIStory is written by the victors, guess we will have to wait and see....
"We tortured some folks."
"folks" gives them a humanity I don't think you intended, mr. prezident.
Paging banzai... this was tailored for you. Shit. I can just see Oba saying it too- with his shoulder shrug and "what, me worry?" soccermom approved stage act.
What a psychopath.
Yeah, but "What difference does it make?"
sociopathic meanderings
Yup. A norman rockwell photochop knockoff with some "folks" being water-boarded would be apropos.
To use a quote our politicians were throwing around: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
So now at what point does Terrorist = Freedom Fighter?
- any day now, I think...
(long pitchforks, bitchez)
You can't spell we without tyranny.
Oh Jesus... I thought you said without "tranny"
In skateboarding, halfpipes / bowls / pools / vert is called 'transition,' or "tranny" for short.
You good at tranny, dawg? ;-)
Ah hem..... ummmm... I was ... uh ... thinking more of the moochelle tranny rumor kind of tranny.... secenforcementdivision tranny....
Ya'll are cute!
If you voted for him, you are responsible for Obama giving the green light to torturing prisoners held by the CIA. You are also responsible for the deaths of those Navy SEALs who died in the August 6, 2011 Chinook helicopter crash in Afghanistan after the NSA found out about messages claiming the raid on Osama bin Ladin's compound killed Osama's double. Kill 15 Navy SEALs by planting a remote controlled explosive device in the helicopter to get the one SEAL who knew too much.
The statement above assumes that the voting system is not rigged. And a wild assumption that would be.
We're supposed to be sorry for the murderous morons who carry out the regimes crimes?
And the choice was what?
That's the sad part. People were PISSED and fed up with Bush, illegal wars and torture - CRIMES according to our own past history. But Was anyone held accountable? NO.
And it's not like any REPUBLICAN would've held anyone accountable either......
We're in a rigged system where our 'choices' are hand picked and will do as told - NEVER holding the 'inside' criminals accountable for their crimes. So we have illegal wars, Executive Branch overreach, illegal spying, warrantless searches and illegal detentions along with consequence free financial looting of America.
Anyone that MIGHT make a difference is kept out of office or removed - one way or another. Lots of questionable election results - much cleaner than small plane 'accidents'. Those are reserved for longer serving pols like Senators when you can't wait until re-election time......
You and "junction" brought to mind a quote from one of the greatest movie series of all time:
Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.
Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?
There will be a reckoning one day, I pray.
Yeah, you droned some folks too, you jackass sissy bitch.
"I am really good at killing people"
Yeah, so we're Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and many, many others. Is there a lesson here I wonder?
Obama's obviously focused on shifting focus from his indifference to various global crises so he can take off for Martha's Vineyard.
The other distraction- getting his supporters riled up about Rush Limbaugh once again:
http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2014/08/operation-change-the-subject-2014
That mf'er tortures me every time I hear him speak.
yea we are all getting tortured dailey. brutal regime
Does he want me to pull his finger?
Edit: Nice touch the upside down flag.
No. He wants you to bend over.
Nah, I am female. He don't want none.
Yeap. You're safe. By the way, what's your sign?
Hope maybe cheap but never go unprotected.
Have you paid taxes? Yeah then you, and we if you paid taxes. Feed the beast pay taaxes you serve the beast.
as though any of us need a lesson in morality from this toad
They. They of the murderous and treasonous DC US and their Israeli puppet masters.
I have never tortured or bombed a school or wedding party. Ever.
Funny how bombing schools and wedding parties, operating gulags, prosecuting an open war, treason, against the American people (drug war), etc. is not on this list:
http://www.storyleak.com/everyone-now-terrorist-us-government/
""Is it time for the guillotines yet?"
You forgot actual drug running. VERY PROFITABLE for our nation's intelligence agencies - going back to WWII and involvement with Nationalist Chinese generals in the opium trade.
And if you're caught - think Iran-CONTRA - you get a Presidential pardon.
Opium prodiction was almost shut down under the Taliban in Afghanistan - 10 years after the US got involved we have an heroin epidemic... coincidence? We got everyone primed with OXY - prescriptions written left and right - then cracked down to drive the addicts back to heroin once the supply was assured.
Truth will not be tolerated by .gov, sir.
Way past time...I can taste Liberty and Freedom.
He's been torturin' MOST of of us nigh on 7 years now if you include his campaignin'
Is there anything else to include? His whole life has been one campaign
'We ???? . . . .'
Gets to the heart of something that the manipulators don't want people to recognize. Individual people took these actions. Words like 'the government' or 'the corporation' are used as protective shields. Words like 'the American people' are used as excuses for the criminal acts of individuals who need to be named. Words like 'national security' are used to steal trillions & kill millions around the world.
There was a coup in 1963. 'The People' no longer have any control of American government. The proof of that is that these revelations about spying on the figurehead senate - will not make a damned bit of difference. Not enough individuals have woken up to this reality.
Yep. "We" electrocuted the genitals of some folks. "We" raped the children of some folks in front of them to make them talk (though "we" got no actionable intelligence from this, it seemed fun at the time). "We" used pliers do things that made some folks scream. Sorry. Won't do it again.
Is there any fucking question -- any at all -- about who is really in charge when this kind of shit can actually admittedly occur and nothing happens? When the President can actually admit it, and not follow it up with something (anything) that is going to be done about it? I do take issue with the first sentence of this article that suggests the result would be different in any other administration. There is only one administration, and it has existed for quite a few decades now.
No! Nobody in power is responsible anymore. Glorious things happen, they reap the benefits. Bad things, others fault, glitches or shit happens. No investigations, prosecutions or dilemmas, no faults. Nothing.
If you're not part of the group, however, fucking doom upon your ass for having a garden, taking supplements, putting food by, collecting rain water, drinking raw milk... the kinds of things that topple empires.
No. It is Pure Evil Behavior.
An 'officer' who makes another human being dump out (a huge supply of) fresh milk/cream/etc. has no respect for life, and therefore no soul. Probability, my favorite god, takes care of injustice, in this universe or another. Such dishonor does not go tolerated by any system in which sapience exists.
Well said.
It's the waiting for the scale to balance that is so infuriating.
Many Americans no longer seem to know the meaning of a couple of words that were supposed to be our foundations -
'Freedom' - the concept that you can do as you want & live as you like, as long as you don't violate the rights of others.
'individual' - that you are your own person, though you can voluntarily work together with other individuals toward a common purpose that you can do more effectively together. (Example - American pioneer families came together for 'barn raising' parties to help one another. This is common among people.)
Instead of these foundations, Americans have been sold on 'doing the right thing' by various moralists and con men. And they continue to be sold on the un-American notion that they are members of a 'collective'.
Get people to buy into that, and all sorts of evil acts can be done
Another word to add to your list: 'responsibility'.
This is what no one wants to accept. Why are federal agents destroying fresh milk? Because people are not willing to accept that fundamentally the majority of an individual's life should be HIS/HER OWN responsibility. No one wants that. If something bad happens, they want to blame someone else. The government is more than willing to agree. Thus we are where we are.
Yes, 'responsibility' naturally follows from 'Freedom' and 'individual'.
We are free individuals responsible for the consequences of our actions.
It seems that many people rather have a 'Mommy' to take care of them. Politicians love to take advantage of that by making all kinds of promises.. Fine. Just don't try to suck me into your craziness or force me to pay for it.
You are correct, sir. And it is not that "Nobody in power is responsible anymore". Oh, they are responsible for their actions. They just aren't HELD responsible for their actions. We are no longer a nation of laws because if we WERE a nation of laws people would be being prosecuted for all of these illegal and unlawful acts.
Unfortunately, we are now a "nation of men".
The Republic is dead. Welcome to the post constitutional United States, Inc. (a Delaware corporation)
Well said
On the Department of Justice is inscribed:
WHERE LAW ENDS, TYRANNY BEGiNS
I guess they 'forgot' - about that and other things - like the Constitution. Say that too much and you're branded a 'domestic terrorist'
Why? - for being concerned that government is breaking the law?
Law and tyranny are 100% compatible with each other. Tyranny begins when justice ends, as it has in the U.S. of A. You'd think a dept of justice would know the difference between law and justice ! How 1984ish !
Bingo!
Common law grand juries FTW!!!
Lucifer will have his time on earth soon
Dude..... I think he's already here and his handiwork is just beginning to blossom.
Agreed...Christ will have HIS time on this earth soon. Are you prepared for THAT?!
"We" raped the children of some folks in front of them to make them talk
Here is a VIDEO of a Soldier admitting to the fact that he and nine other Soldier molested an Iraoi girl...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3dvoBhevOQ
This video has been online since April 26, 2007.
I wonder just how many of your daughters that these ten soldier have molested when they were underage after they returned from Iraq?
As he said, after the pictures came out the biggest rule was no fuckin' cameras.
Go USA. Rape those children. What a bunch of child molesters.
I remember going to a forum dedicated to hunting. I went there for about 5 years. Lots of vets (most of them from prior times going all the way back to Vietnam) and a few cops visited the site. Someone posted the Bradley Manning video of the US helicopter gunship shooting reporters and children. I couldn't believe their excuses & justifications. They were in denial about what they could see with their own eyes. After all "we're the good guys". Made me sick. I never went back to that forum again.
Important news flash: Obama said whatever he had to to get elected.
I hope that is not news to most people.
"Give up Hope, and be grateful to work for spare Change."
Uh, no. Diebold did whatever it was commanded to do in order to get him "elected".
He's going to close Guantanamo - also Bush's fault but he's going to make it right
How many did we torture before 9/11?
We don't torture....of course we can't be held responsible for what happens to folks we deliver to client states...
School of the Americas - we just TAUGHT all those Central and South American dictatorships HOW to do it....... God forbid 'commies' (e.g. anyone BUT the oligarchies in those countries) have any power.
Institutional memory and knowledge is not maintained through books and manuals...
910? Then picked up with number 912 the next day. Or am I missing something, folks?
910 apparently is an IRS tax guide...now that is some torture.
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There will be a Hope Tax before Obie leaves office, for a Hope Fund of course (donated to 'rebels' everywhere).
It's here already, and it's named EBT.
I guess the FSA are MIC-funded 'rebels' also. Plastic cards are weapons too.
Question is, will the admission lead to more, perhaps a leak of details pertaining to X/XX ?
YouEssAye. YouEssAye. YouEssAye.
Criticize the wars but support the troops!
Who you callin an essay?
EweAssAyee?
I know, it was a sheep joke.
"WE?"
Speak fo yoself, Mofo
He has no power other than the ability to sway public opinion inside and outside of our borders to everyday people.
He's really making us look like assholes.
I used to think he was just stupid...
And Brennan, of course has all the dirt on all the politicians, judges and the Kenyan in Chief.
He's going nowhere until he wants to.
Jedgar2
the federal government as represented by employees,
allies and advisers thereof did 9/11 and then covered it up.
ahhhh ...
so, how is that an existential problem? can we just
move on for brunch?
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anyway poems*tm
"Tortured some folks...?" Who writes this guys stuff, Warren Buffet?
"Barbarous relics" was already taken
I'm pretty sure this reference is to the early part of his political career in Chicago.
He must be referring to forcing people to repeatedly navigate through a glitchy and bug-infested government health insurance website.
We Tortured some Folks.
Sounds like something someone from the People Nation of Chicago might say.
Obama: "I'm the biggest hypocrite in the world."
There. Fixed it.
In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong.
we are so sorry we arrested those dancing israelis.
be assured the usa will compensate those 500 israeli agents on duty that day.
these poor innocent jewish souls must be given cash moneys or gold
must be given OTHER PEOPLE'S cash moneys or gold
Can you dig it?
Romans 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.
Just... I laughed at that... just such an odd phrase... this is Folksy Obama.... talkin' about torture - that ain't right...
Ain't nobody got time for torture!
Speaking of - squad of mercs grab Bush the Elder or Cheney or Perle/Feith/Wolfowitz... or a couple of them Joint Chiefs and next tiers what got promoted shortly after 9/11...
what would they say, with the simple device of a loaded Beretta M9pointed at their forehead moments after putting one through the webbing between their thumb and index finger so they know it works.
What questions would you ask? Is it fucked up that I think about this and beat off?
Yes and No.
No to the thinking about it.
Yes to the beating off thinking about it.
LOL
The guy who drone kills americans, and ignores the law on a daily basis, want to talk about Values.
obongo he humane just like gorge bush 1 and 2.
day bleed and cry when we and ares jewish partners have to kill the kids.
you take his lovely little house on der prairie words like folks and kill and you twist them just like predant putnik the dictrator
the cia, sheesh.
central intelligence agency.
there is nothing central, intelligent
or agency like about that banker syndicate.
they work for the owners of the fed for
god sake, aka everyone's friend?
isis, alqciada, etc ...
all for the fed owners.
in their infinite intelligence do they
recognize the constitution? don't mean to
make you laugh but it is just funny.
well, at least there is el rayo-x.
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David Lindley - El Rayo-X (Album,April 1981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4GkgQZ8zMk
"In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did things that were contrary to our values."
This is disingenuous bollix. Whilst I strongly believe that an overwhelming majority of American people are good and decent, like most other countries there is a small minority who are little more than sadistic thugs who get a kick out of torturing other people or doing them harm, especially if victims belong to a class or group of people who they or their superiors dislike or hate.
Then of course, there is the very long record of individuals - journalists and others - who have met with sticky ends because they crossed a red line against the State and either the FBI, CIA or some other alphabet agency of the State has authorised their termination. Same thing happens in Britain.
And let's not forgt that Obama himself has authorised large numbers of drone strikes all over the world which were intended to slaughter people. Did I mention his own EOs which sanction indefinate imprisonment of American citizens without trial?
Obama is not the person to be claiming innocence. He's a lying asshole.
If it's OK to dissapear US citizens without process or recourse, who'd want to be a visitor from abroad?
Torture is for the insane, the rapists and killers, Charles Ng, who kidnap entire families, kill the children, force the husband to watch as their wives are turned into sex slaves, penetrated with knives and electrical prods.
Torture is unacceptable because NOTHING is worth putting ANYONE through this. Torture is the act of men gone mad. Goddamn it. What IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON DC? Have you been drugged? Get the hysterical maniacs out of the fucking govt before they turn the entire world against the USA whose reputation has been gutted by the MIC acting in behalf of a very small country with disagreeable/unlikeable and self-righteous assholes who should be in prison, not living in mansions.
Fuck, so many rich yet stupid people are telling us what is wrong and what is right...makes my blood boil Get out of the way, idiots, you should be the suffering ones, for you deserve to pay for the suffering of others in the name of $$$ oil $$$. Were it not for you rich fucks, we'd have alternative energy by now but then, you'd be living in the gutter since an honest living is something YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF.
oh, and an element thereof killed jfk
in broad daylight, no repercussions,
and he was the president.
can you imagine?
They got the guy who did it. Found him in a dark theater some ways across town. One cop had a thought and, bingo, there he was. And he would have been found guilty if he'd not been killed first by that crazy nightclub owner. It was all an innocent mistake.
sarc deluxe in case anybody is wondering
We snatched uncharged people out of their homes in the middle of the night in front of their petrified wives and chillrens. We disqappeared them to secretchambers and tortured them unmercifully; we continue to imprison them in dog kennels. Today, by executive order, we plan to tie rocks around their necks and dump them in the deep end. If any of them float, then yeah we may have made a mistake or two.
Values?
O has no values. Nobody else in DC does either.
Yes, torture people since 1964 in memory of Latino Brazilians, Argentines, Chileans and Uruguayans Americans.
Direct support of CIA in military coups.
Do you think the President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff forgot who was tortured by military trained by CIA agents?
As the popular saying goes: who takes slap in the face not forget ....
this guy is a pain in the ass
We tortured some folks and they weren't even black.........
What a putz.
Torture is listening to this f-ing marxist shot off his mouth.
It's torture every time I see his fucking face.
When asked to expound, Obama remarked, "Quit trippin'!"
Dear Mr. Obama,
You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, abrassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally not good.
And you are married to a Wookie.
Not to be critical.
Sincerely,
Minge
Don't be hatin'.
And....no christmas card for him this year either!!
Some folks have an amazing vocabulary.
The most unforgivable part of O is, he told us he was not an asshole. The Bushies were more up front about it.
The most unforgivable part about us is - we voted them back in.
Damn Minge, tell us how you really feel & quit holding back. That was great & he is guilty of all the above.
I have the shorter version; Hitler is back & this time he's black!
Just having to listen to your bullshit Barry O' is torture.
In ordering torture and droning these criminals demonstrate their real values. Decoy media clusterfuck.