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Suddenly, Wall Street Is Bailing On Housing

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Among this week's most notable moves was the decompression of high-yield credit spreads to near 9 month wides (and continued outflows). What went notably-under-reported by the mainstream media, however, was an even bigger selloff in US mortgage bonds. While JPMorgan is unable to see "any fundamental reason" for the plunge in prices, the worrying indication from the magnitude of the drop relative to volumes is that liquidity has evaporated. As Bloomberg notes, with dealer inventories sold down (due to new regulations that make repo and agency securities unpalatable), they have no way to 'smooth' the selling when investors want to exit positions. Weakness of this magnitude when the 10Y gained only 2bps on the week is a big wake-up call that traders are looking for the exits from housing debt and the door is very narrow.

Bloomberg warns, prices of a new type of U.S. mortgage bonds are plunging this month, teaching investors a lesson on the risks to markets wrought by the growing constraints on Wall Street banks.

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Here's why...

Thanks to the Fed, turnover and volume in Agencies has been crushed...

 

as turnover in most markets depends on repo (remember how important we explained repo was?)

 

because Fed/regulators have made agency/repo uneconomic...

 

Bloomberg explains,

Dealers have reduced their bond holdings in response to rules ranging from the international Basel III accord on banks’ capital to the U.S. Volcker Rule limiting their ability to make bets with their own money. An expansion of Finra’s Trace trade disclosures to more types of debt is also increasing risks and cutting into profits for market makers.

 

Inventories of corporate securities and other debt without government backing at the biggest dealers fell to $56 billion in March 2013 from as much as $235 billion in 2007, according to the last Federal Reserve data before a change in calculations.

and so dealers have dramatically reduced inventory to cope with market movements...

 

Bloomberg adds,

As a few holders continued selling the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities without an immediate emergence of investor demand, most of the dealers active in trading the debt “disappeared,” said Vishal Khanduja, a money manager at Bethesda, Maryland-based Calvert, which oversees about $13 billion.

 

Until recently, “everybody wanted to trade it: I think there were 10 to 12 dealers messaging me and looking to make markets,” Khanduja said in a telephone interview. “It’s partially indicative of the regulations’ impact on their balance sheets.”

None of this matters all the time the virtuous circle continues of billions in Fed money driving down spreads/rates across the board... but when investors get itchy fingers and decide to sell, this happens...

 

As Bloomberg reports,

the $8.2 billion of risk-sharing securities sold in the last year by government-controlled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can shift their losses from homeowner defaults to bond buyers. One slice of a deal issued in May traded at 95.7 cents on the dollar yesterday, down from 99.7 cents at the end of last month, according to Trace, the bond-price reporting system of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.

A plunge like this in one specific mortgage bond as small doors and large crowds do not play well with one another.

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As Bloomberg adds,

“It could be symbolic of what could happen more broadly in a real ‘risk-off’ environment,” Bill Murray, a New York-based money manager at $14 billion hedge-fund firm CQS, said in an interview.

There is little that the dealers can do if the selling continues on Monday as 'any' credit risk positions are unwound. The problem is that the Fed's dominance of the market and unintended consequences of controlling the repo/shadow-banking system have left bond markets more fragile than they have ever been.

 

Charts: FINRA and Citi's Matt King

 

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Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:38 | 5036180 blindman
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Graham Nash - Songs For Beginners (Album, May 28,1971)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gxk_0mFe_c

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:01 | 5036237 nope-1004
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Good luck house flippers.   Couldn't happen to a nicer crowd of idiotic speculators that thought the next buyer will be clueless about value with unlimited credit.  My heart also goes out to the realtors that claim to sell houses when in fact they sell mortgages for the TBTF.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:16 | 5036296 Slave
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My cock is large.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:09 | 5036593 ebworthen
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Slave said:  "My cock is large."

Mine too, but not nearly as big as Wall Street's. 

They can crash the entire lives of nearly every American and Citizen of the World yet be rewarded with bailouts, austerity, and a "Get out of Jail Free!" card.

Jesus H., they are doing it again, a five year pump then dump, and they'll get away with it again.  I'd say hang and draw-and-quarter the bastards but they own the police and military.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:27 | 5036639 CrimsonAvenger
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Are you sure they'll get away with it again? I don't see how they can be bailed out at this point. Sure, I probably suffer from a lack of imagination, but what is the fed going to use this time to shock and awe us, without every other country throwing in the towel on the dollar?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:15 | 5036778 bankerbackbacon
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Crimsonavenger: I probably suffer from a lack of imagination, but what is the fed going to use this time to shock and awe us, without every other country throwing in the towel on the dollar?

 

The Fed will use the world war and lack of gold at FK to "shock and awe," more central skank chicanery will ensue. People will have to choose between the American (USD reserve) way of life or the Zimbabwe way of life and that means an attempt at global domination through "vassals."

"The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."

Zbigniew Brzezinski

 

The last two Dictators to stop using the USD were S. Hussein and M. Gaddafi. See a pattern? The big dick pattern (I too wield a sword). An appropriate analogy for white phosphorus on civilian populations.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 06:31 | 5037001 ebworthen
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I have no idea what depths they will sink to this time around.

All I know is last time - they decided that spitting in the face of every responsible hard working bill paying American was A-o.k. with them.

Next time they will probably decide that shooting us in the guts, chest, and head - Man, Woman, or Child - will be A-o.k.

Long as they wave the flag and mumble, speak, and shout about "freedom" and "liberty" and "The Constitution" - while raping all three of them and killing us - they will be as happy as can be.

That is where we are.  If you doubt it you are a dumbshit.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:27 | 5037198 RaceToTheBottom
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Double tap to the head.  They are not heartless....  Oh wait...

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:11 | 5036784 Harbanger
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I noticed Banks are trying to push loans and mortgages again.  I think it's a push from the Fed to keep pumping the housing sector.  Which means polticians will soon come out in favor of easing lending regulations, and we'll go back to subprime lending to inflate the bubble. I wouldn't short it when the Fed is purposely pumping money into it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:18 | 5036303 knukles
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Golly gosh and gee willickers.  Some of my good buds in the bond bidnez hold a whole buncha MBS... Implicit guarantees, additional income.... negative convexity... and some heretofore rather narrow spreads over treasuries.
Now, if y'all gotta a buncha MBSs in portfolios that you tout as Treasury only (and some folks do, because they say the GNMA guarantee is full faith and credit, just like a Treasury, so it's pari passu, some even go so far as to say the implicit guarantees on Fannie and Freddie make them OK, too...) you just bought your ass one big problem.  Essentially the same thing as "Utility Finds" which were supposed to hold the high dividend stocks of electric and telephone companies that then bought into the telecom dotcom1.0 madness... and well... another bonus paid, portfolio manager leaves and then the floor falls out from ... and the women and children (let alone the small cuddly animals) get to suck on the hairy end of the lollipop when the decline rushes forth and they are smitten by the Hand of the Investment God of Ill Temper.

So....
Oh, and methinks a few notables are PIMPCO and DoubleLine, for starters ... holding big MBS positions

Including stuff that could be held in Prime funds that shortly will have gates to stop redemptions when the managers deem so important.

And if you dig deep enough, there are a few Big Name short term money market funds still hold paper form the last 2008 shitforshinola in portfolio and have the stuff footnoted in fairy tale language saying essentially, this paper is gonzo alonzo, but we keep it here for appearances sake.

When the shit hits the fan, all assets in one way or another become risk assets... only a matter of degree... 
Treasury bills become the any port in the storm is good enuf for me alternative and like in 2008/9, some bills traded at Negative Yields!
Yes Janet, even mortgages, and in fact some short term investments...
Especially note "short term investments", for every single fucking financial crisis has first manifested itself in the money markets... iliquidity or insolvency.

Just another day between the grindstones

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:47 | 5036677 Squid-puppets a...
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I'm not savvy enough to appreciate just how wide this goes - is this the equivalent of the 'Ice 9' that credit default swaps were in 2008?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:02 | 5036839 Professorlocknload
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Dunno, knuks, but it looks like they plan on breaking the buck this time around, and I see no reason they won't let the Implicits go as well. Because they can. The Prospectuses say so.

But if they trash the Explicits, well, that's outright default. My guess is, that would freeze up the Treasury markets. So I spose I'll stay with some GNMA until I see flames.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 12:44 | 5037722 lincolnsteffens
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Wow, that is a mouthful Knuks! ++++

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 08:10 | 5037079 Ban KKiller
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MUDD is still in hiding?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 15:35 | 5041123 Citium
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I am a realtor in Texas. Our office sales land and farms exclusively, we will only take a house if it is a family friend or some situation. If anyone has to get financing we send them to the local banks, not to the TBTF. If people tell us they will be financing through Wells Fargo, JPM or Citi that you will never get your financing, and this is why you need to go local and get it done quickly with a local touch.

A lot of realtors are guilty of pumping bubbles and selling mortgages for the TBTF, that is true. But know some of us out there are trying to be good people and do the right thing for liberty and life. We push land because land is the only asset that can naturally multiply income and sustain life. Being from Texas, we get A LOT of people from the West Coast and the NorthEast, especially areas like Massachusetts, Connecticut and New York. West coast is mostly California with some Washington people as well.

They are awake and we are very open in our office that we are in another bubble and buying a McMansion is a bad idea and instead invest in a little smaller home but with 100 acres to farm or plant timber to cut etc. etc. I just sold a small 3 bedroom frame home on 39 Acres to people from North Carolina. They were ecstatic to be here and commented on "if this goes down, I believe texas will be the place to be. I am not trying to brag," I am just giving examples of how realtors CAN help people and that we are all not sneezy scumbags,.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:33 | 5037209 caShOnlY
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QUICK!!! what do we chase next ?????????   CARS!!!!! OK LETS DO IT!!!   EVERYONE NEEDS A CAR TO GO WORK, wait, EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE A CAR TO GO TO WORK!!  YES CARS IT IS THEN!!

We shall finance them for 6 and 7 and even 8 years then!!!  GREAT!!!  for how much then?........ ZERO PERCENT?????  but  but   but we have to sell cars right? 

QUICK, WHAT ELSE CAN WE CHASE?  I KNOW LETS PUT ALL OUR MONEY INTO "DEFENSE STOCKS"....... Ahhhh.... the winner!!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:39 | 5036182 Slave
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Muppets.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:15 | 5036291 max2205
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I'll take 'who did they sell to' for 100 billion Alex

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:41 | 5036377 SnobGobbler
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they sold to the fed....derrp!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:40 | 5036186 fonzannoon
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anyone familiar with agnc and why it held up so well during this?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:15 | 5036609 disabledvet
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Nope. Something be tellin me they be in the eensurance bizness tho.

Taint no one talkin soft landin ear eether... Nothing but SEEEEEAAALLLLL YER SHIT! straight from Grandma Fed herself!

Still...lotto carry-o in that there curvy yield thing a majig.

Lotta HOLY SHIITE! going on here too.

Yepper...looks like an anything goes play is in the offin.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:40 | 5036187 nmewn
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Smoke from the upper windows now kiddies, wait for the flames ;-)

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:05 | 5036263 kaiserhoff
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Why all the Debbie Downers?  There's prolly two or three weeks left to pick up nickels ahead of the steam roller.

Where's the animal spirits?

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:31 | 5036518 kliguy38
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make it pre-64 quarters and I might  try to

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 12:04 | 5037558 Pemaquid
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Funny! Speaking of pre-65 coinage, I received a 1957d quarter in change the other day! Bought something for under a buck and received the equivalent of $3.67 back! Life's good!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 07:54 | 5037065 Tarshatha
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September 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:18 | 5036301 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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What you are saying is so true. And we know that there is no rescue

crew out there that will respond to the chaos that will ensue. This is going to get really weird and intense really fast IMHO.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 01:49 | 5036762 williambanzai7
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They are smoking weed up there.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:49 | 5036217 gmak
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The law of unintened consequences was written by a black swan with chalk on the road paved with good intentions.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:12 | 5036282 Anca1
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Great line!  I'll probably paraphrase that one in the future.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 01:43 | 5036754 bid the soldier...
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Yep.


And the black swan's name is Murphy.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 11:20 | 5037454 NickVegas
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I gambled all your money, and the black swan ate it. Move along.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 21:56 | 5036227 IANAE
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...recalling a Far Side cartoon with a Crisis Clinic building ablaze while floating downriver toward a waterfall...

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:03 | 5036252 q99x2
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I've aged 5 years since this ponzi was supposed to implode. Can we please wait to get the collapse in 2 more years when I'm in Germany F'n studying.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:31 | 5036340 Oldwood
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I'm not going anywhere where I can't keep a gun. This could get ugly. Definitely not a good time to be in a foreign land, especially as an American. If this shit really does blow, Europe will likely be the first place on fire and I wouldn't want to be walking down the street in a cowboy hat. Americans will the first to be blamed.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:44 | 5036890 Jano
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you can keep a gun in the whole eu.

unfortunatelly last year they introduced a law for the whole eu, that the gun must be registerred.

until then it was not necessary in FInland France and Austria, only the short weapons under 40cm, revolvers and pistols.

In Austria we have 5M registerred weapons on 8,8M inhabitants. I guess another 5M unregisterred weapons are there out...

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 04:11 | 5036918 22winmag
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More important than a gun is the will to use it.

 

Besides, ideas are more dangerous than guns.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 11:39 | 5037488 BeetleBailey
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Plenty of places Americans won't be....but those are running out fast....

...like Americans money....the 99%

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:04 | 5036260 novictim
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Nice!  I'd have a glass of Champaigne if I liked that.  Instead, I am enjoying a fine Chianti with Fava beans sauteed with two kidneys from the investor who overbid me last month. 

Afterwards, I will dessert on the brains of the ColdWell banker clown who just jumped out the window by my office.

Magnifique! 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 06:30 | 5037005 Wahooo
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I assume you are using every part so that none go to waste. The banker fois gras is excellent in the summer months with a light wine.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 11:11 | 5037428 novictim
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Yummy.  It is kinda hard to find the real bankers these days.  The flunkies who front as "bank managers" arem't usually actual bankers.  They are just glorified sales reps with some modicum of accounting skills.

I'll set my traps at the upscale country club near the winery.  Should be a good haul no matter what I catch.  Really hoping for the fois gras though.

Hey! How long do you force feed the banker fiat currency in order to get the liver to real fatty?  Or are the fatty enough as it is.

Oh, ya.  I know the answer.  Still, shoving a metal feeding tube down a banker clapped in irons is kinda fun all on its own!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 11:37 | 5037486 BeetleBailey
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"I have to go now Clarice....I'm having an old friend for dinner...." <click>

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:12 | 5036279 DOGGONE
Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:16 | 5036292 thamnosma
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Way too soon to tell if we are entering the collapse, but one must admit it has that flavor.  Lots of things spinning around this week on numerous fronts.  We are just 2 months away from October.  That may be the month to watch.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:42 | 5036381 DOGGONE
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Blame? There are LOTS of doers of intellectual savagery, see here:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/higher-education-panders-to-intellectual-s...
And YOU the people are doing citizenshiT if it is too much trouble to get your heads out into the light.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:57 | 5036572 thamnosma
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Since I didn't bring up any issue regarding blame, I assume your comment was not directed at me.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 17:18 | 5038597 oudinot
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yeah, the attitude the last couple of days have been different, this could be IT

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:21 | 5036311 syntaxterror
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The smart money is surging into the Russian markets.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:23 | 5036312 KnuckleDragger-X
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I'm keeping a careful eye on small acreage farm plots, bean and cornbread futures looks good

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:26 | 5036325 starman
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2007 redux! Bamm!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:28 | 5036334 Angry Plant
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Never fails advice about housing market. Just watch the newest shows on cable TV about house flippers then come back two years latter and examine the area they were flipping in. You always find prices have crashed in that area. The last flipping shows I saw were all Los Vegas located.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:50 | 5036408 novictim
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These shows are partly to shill for "problem" markets so as to lure in the Bigger Fools. 

Once the trap is filled....BAAAAAM!!

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 22:50 | 5036410 Captain Obvious.
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You have got to be in it to lose it.

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 23:20 | 5036488 Beatscape
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As the Fed tapers their monthly purchases of MBS, I would expect to see some of this action.  There's no way the Fed can exit the MBS market gracefully without some unintended consequences.  The breakdown of the repo market is exhibit A.  

On the other hand, the residential RE market is well bid and there are buyers of MBS.  So don't look for a meltdown to happen quickly.  Case in point, it was announced today that Freddie Mac has secured a deal to sell $659 million in defaulted home loans.  It was well bid -- Freddie didn't disclose the buyer or the terms, but said the deal will close later this month.  The distressed mortgage auction drew 22 bidders, a sign of strong interest. 

Still, Freddie and Fannie have a $4.5 Trillion portfolio.  The Feds have ruled that they have to reduce their holdings of non-performing mortgages.  So maybe this successful auction was "ochestrated". Stay tuned and keep the popcorn handy, the wind down of Fannie & Freddie's distressed portfolio will be interesting. 

 

 

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:26 | 5036638 disabledvet
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Granny Fed got yer butt covered!  Stay long ye olde zero bound and watch Europe go bezerk!

Jews pining for a Holocaust in Christendom is BULLISH!  we gotz Moscow in the crosshaids too Mr preeseedent!  Commence  cease fire and red square will be your personal aeroflot!

O-bombers away!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:37 | 5036658 Dead Canary
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Hey you guys. You all are forgetting about:

P R O M I S E  Z O N E S ! ! !

( whuddeverhappened to that, any way )

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 00:40 | 5036665 jomama
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Funny how just a couple of years ago, the primary Walton heirs were worth "only" $26 billion each. Now, they're worth over $35 million EACH. I'd say the Great Recession has been very good to them. Apparently, knowingly hiring illegal workers, locking them in the stores and underpaying their employees has been very profitable for them. Since most of that income is interest, they're paying 15%, while their low paid employees are paying 28%, while the employees rely on tax payer paid Medicaid for health care. I'm very happy to have never shopped at a WalMart. Yeah, by all means, lets take the country "back"....back to the 1950s, 60s and 70s when millionaires and billionaires paid 90% tax....and STILL lived like kings. When the top US tax rate has dropped below 50%, it has led to cheap money and wildly speculative, risky investments by these people, ultimately leading to crashes. When the top tax rate has been above 50%, the economy has been more stable, as the middle class has had better services and more discretionary money to drive the economy. Consumer spending drives 70% of the economy. The middle class are the jobs creators, not CEOS, or billionaires. Hard work should pay off. Merely being born into an insanely wealthy family should not. As Warren Buffet recently said (about anyone with a billion dollars unwilling to donate half of it) "I should write a book on how to live on only $500 million." This country has survived world wars, the Depression, natural disasters, terrorist attacks...I'm not sure we will survive the unbridled greed of most of the top 1%. Ironically, in 2009, during the height of the Great Recession, for the first time in history, you had to have over $1 billion to make the Forbes list of wealthiest 400 Americans.....all while their tax rate fell in 1981 from 70% to 28% to 15%.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 06:27 | 5037002 Wahooo
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If you're not relying on a lot of earned income, and the 1% do not relative to the 99%, what difference does it make if you are giving our favorite president and congress 10% or 90%? Do you really think that will give us economic stability? Entire corporations - AIG, Goldman-Sachs, Douche Bank, the Fed - have been engineered to profit from ponzi schemes. Will raising the income tax on the 1% change that, as well?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 08:36 | 5037115 BeetleBailey
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+1,000

A special, heart-felt FUCK YOU to the Walton clan/whomever married into that brood of motherfuckers.

Smoke is coming from Sam's grave you dastardly fucks. He alone would have NOT done the employee moves you cunts have. Hired total fuck offs and assholes as C.E.O.'s

It all started downhill for WalFart when Sam died.....a looooooong slide into shit.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:09 | 5037275 all-priced-in
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You may want to look up "effective tax rate" --

 

I was a CPA back in the day - I did many tax returns for rich people - none of them ever paid anything close to 70% tax.

The key is to get rid of every fucking deduction and credit - all of them - mortgage interest - GONE, charitable gifts - GONE, earned income credit - GONE - education credits and deductions - GONE.

Only a fucking idiot would want a 90% tax rate - and the 700,000 pages of tax laws that go along with it to allow it to be reduced to 8%.

 

 

 

  

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:57 | 5037396 novictim
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Making sense like that is dangerous.  Watch for drones.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 02:37 | 5036811 Ariadne
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Your children woke up homeless in the continent your fathers conquered. Assholes.

A special Fuck You out to the Clinton Generation.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 04:02 | 5036909 22winmag
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Thank you sir. May I have another?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 03:41 | 5036887 hedgiex
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The key is liquidity. Now Bloomberg has alluded to the constraints of Wall Street Banks who in fact got their pants caught by the more savvy crowd in their defined shadow banking systems.

What next ? Fed shall provide the liquidity to these markets ? Relaxation of regulatory capital for these toxics ?

The key is still liquidity where the shadow bankers are paranoid with as they bait these markets no longer under the past dominance of the TBTF crowd.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 05:51 | 5036974 buzzsaw99
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Dealers have reduced their bond holdings in response to rules... Trace trade disclosures to more types of debt is also increasing risks and cutting into profits for market makers...

Boo frickedy hoo! [/dr. evil]

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:15 | 5037173 thamnosma
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So when do the discounts start?   I need to find a place...

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 13:12 | 5037799 novictim
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First, Tham, Housing prices follow a saw toothed pattern of long slow rise followed by an abrupt collapse.  And bear in mind that High end homes are in their own special bubble and WILL NOT behave in the typical manner I describe.

The previous decline really started in the fall of 2006 in many areas of the country. (not 2008) but the Left Coast took the biggest hit in 2008 with most (60-70%) of the ultimate price declines occurring over a 9 month period and then price declines continued for the next 2 years then plateaued and started to rise again in 2012.

The difference in this collapse from 2008 will be the large number of investors who will be more quick to flee the market than is possible for a stable family buyer.  That means that the collapse in home prices and the flood of inventory that we are starting to already see will be potentially even more abrupt.

That said, we must remind ourselves that the banks, investment firms, and Gubment are deeply in conspiracy here.  Banks are given ZIRP so that they can drag their feet on notices of default and eviction and thus can keep the inventory much smaller than it should be if real market conditions were allowed to play out. 

BUT!...Much of this latest round of housing speculation is NO LONGER back stopped by the US Government so market forces might actually be realized. 

Stay tuned and watch prices.  Pick a few properties, note the asking prices, note the actual equivalent sales prices for that neighborhood and keep track of the price declines.

And keep in mind that Zillow just bought Trulia so who knows just how corrupted and false the picture presented will be in reality?  The layers of this housing PONZI are enough to make you cry, especially if all you want is a home to raise a family in.  What a joke this mess called "Merica" has become.

Anyone else have any advice for tham?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 09:30 | 5037204 RaceToTheBottom
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Is it now the time to allow gold/silver to go over the 15-20% allocation?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:56 | 5037386 Winston Churchill
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Never a better time IMO , but don't go the whole Monty.

Its hard to imagine with FedRes policies, but a deflationary collapse is still more

than just a outside  possibility , before hyperinflation.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 10:49 | 5037374 FreeNewEnergy
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What are the odds...

that there will be another wave of foreclosures, another market crash, and my "note" - that has been lost since 2008 - will never, ever, ever reappear, along with the lawyers who are handling the foreclosure case against my father's estate (I inherited home) since 2010?

Very good, I think. I've played the waiting game. The Ponzi is about to collect more victims, but I shall not be one of them. Just got a package from a new law firm (aka foreclosure mill), though they have not registered with the court (I'm in NY, where laws matter, usually) as counsel, so the odds of me responding to them are about the same as me being struck by lightning (though it was pretty close yesterday - bad storm).

SOL continues to run if I get a break, like motion for lack of prosecution, old lawyers may not answer, figuring, "well, fuck them."

All I know is that I've lived in the house for five years with no payments, repaired credit, saved money and will be able to pick and choose from real estate bargains in the next crash, which is bound to happen, maybe sooner than thought.

I suppose that within the next 2-3 years, some asshole from a hedge fund will come knocking on my door, claiming they own the mortgage.

I'll calmly say, "show me the note," with my 12-gauge tucked under my arm.

Tick-Tock, indeed, bitchez!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 12:13 | 5037599 novictim
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So the story about investor money pulling back from housing purchases that started about 6-9 weeks ago is now followed by the other shoe dropping...Wall Street investors who would have been shilling these new Rental Backed Securities (RBS) are now unloading them and running for the exits?

Do I paint the correct picture here?  Is this evidence of insider trading?  How did the home purchasing investment firms KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE (!!) that the bottom was about to fall out from under that line of business?

Is there a story to be investigated and told here?  Or is this now just the same old shit, the same old corruption and manipulation we all have learned to take for granted in this 2014 reality?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:36 | 5041711 Catflappo
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It's almost as if some massive regular buyer of such paper is deciding they won't be buying quite as much now?    

Sort of like they are 'tapering' their purchases - yes, that would be a good phrase to use...

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