Top Financial Experts Say World War 3 Is Coming … Unless We Stop It

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Nouriel Roubini, Kyle Bass, Hugo Salinas Price, Charles Nenner, James Dines, Jim Rogers, David Stockman, Marc Faber, Jim Rickards, Paul Craig Roberts, Martin Armstrong, Larry Edelson, Gerald Celente and Others Warn of Wider War

Paul Craig Roberts - former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, former editor of the Wall Street Journal, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, PhD economist - wrote an article yesterday about the build up of hostilities between the U.S. and Russia titled, simply: "War Is Coming".  In the article, Roberts notes:

As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra-legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an advisor to President Putin replied, “There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”

In January, well-known economist Nouriel Roubini tweeted from the gathering of the rich and powerful at the World Economic Forum in Davos:

Many speakers compare 2014 to 1914 when WWI broke out & no one expected it. A black swan in the form of a war between China & Japan?


Both Abe and an influential Chinese analyst don't rule out a military confrontation between China and Japan. Memories of 1914?

Billionaire hedge fund manager Kyle Bass writes:

Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.

Reagan's head of the Office of Management and Budget - David Stockman - is posting pieces warning of the dispute between the U.S. and Russia leading to World War 3.

Investment adviser Larry Edelson wrote an email to subscribers entitled “What the “Cycles of War” are saying for 2013″, which states:

Since the 1980s, I’ve been studying the so-called “cycles of war” — the natural rhythms that predispose societies to descend into chaos, into hatred, into civil and even international war.


I’m certainly not the first person to examine these very distinctive patterns in history. There have been many before me, notably, Raymond Wheeler, who published the most authoritative chronicle of war ever, covering a period of 2,600 years of data.


However, there are very few people who are willing to even discuss the issue right now. And based on what I’m seeing, the implications could be absolutely huge ....

Former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner – who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients – says there will be “a major war”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.

Veteran investor adviser James Dines forecast a war is epochal as World Wars I and II, starting in the Middle East.

Economist and investment manager Marc Faber says that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:

Martin Armstrong - who has managed multi-billion dollar sovereign investment funds - wrote in August:

Our greatest problem is the bureaucracy wants a war. This will distract everyone from the NSA and justify what they have been doing. They need a distraction for the economic decline that is coming.

Armstrong wrote a piece yesterday entitled, "Why We will Go to War with Russia", and another one today saying, "Prepare for World War III".

Bad Economic Theories

What's causing the slide towards war? We discuss several causes below.

Initially, believe it or not, one cause is that many influential economists and  talking heads hold the discredited belief that war is good for the economy.

Therefore, many are overtly or more subtly pushing for war.

Challengers Give Declining Empires "Itchy Fingers"

Moreover, historians say that declining empires tend to attack their rising rivals ... so the risk of world war is rising because the U.S. feels threatened by the rising empire of China.

The U.S. government considers economic rivalry to be a basis for war. Therefore, the U.S. is systematically using the military to contain China’s growing economic influence.

Competition for Resources Is Heating Up

In addition, it is well-established that competition for scarce resources often leads to war.  For example, Oxford University's Quarterly Journal of Economics notes:

In his classic, A Study of War, Wright (1942) devotes a chapter to the relationship between war and resources. Another classic reference, Statistics of Deadly Quarrels by Richardson (1960),extensively discusses economic causes of war, including the control of “sources of essential commodities.”A large literature pioneered by Homer-Dixon (1991, 1999) argues that scarcity of various environmental resources is a major cause of conflict and resource wars (see Toset, Gleditsch, and Hegre 2000, for empirical evidence).




In the War of the Pacific (1879–1884), Chile fought against a defensive alliance of Bolivia and Peru for the control of guano [i.e. bird poop; insert joke here] mineral deposits. The war was precipitated by the rise in the value of the deposits due to their extensive use in agriculture.




Westing (1986) argues that many of the wars in the twentieth century had an important resource dimension.  As examples he cites the Algerian War of Independence (1954–1962), the Six Day War (1967), and the Chaco War (1932–1935). More recently, Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 was a result of the dispute over the Rumaila oil field.  In Resource Wars (2001), Klare argues that following the end of the Cold War, control of valuable natural resources has become increasingly important, and these resources will become a primary motivation for wars in the future.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan (and many world leaders) admitted that the Iraq war was really about oil, and former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. And see this and this. Libya, Syria, Iran and Russia are all oil-producing countries as well ...

Indeed, we've extensively documented that the wars in the Middle East and North Africa are largely about oil and gas. The war in Gaza may be no exception. And see this. And Ukraine may largely be about gas as well.

And James Quinn and Charles Hugh Smith say we're running out of all sorts of resources  ... which will lead to war.

Central Banking and Currency Wars

We’re in the middle of a global currency war – i.e. a situation where nations all compete to devalue their currencies the most in order to boost exports. Brazilian president Rousseff said in 2010:

The last time there was a series of competitive devaluations … it ended in world war two.

Jim Rickards agrees:

Currency wars lead to trade wars, which often lead to hot wars. In 2009, Rickards participated in the Pentagon’s first-ever “financial” war games. While expressing confidence in America’s ability to defeat any other nation-state in battle, Rickards says the U.S. could get dragged into “asymmetric warfare,” if currency wars lead to rising inflation and global economic uncertainty.

As does billionaire investor Jim Rogers:

Trade wars always lead to wars.

Given that China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa have just joined together to create a $100 billion bank based in China, and that more and more trades are being settled in Yuan or Rubles - instead of dollars - the currency war is hotting up.

Multi-billionaire investor Hugo Salinas Price says:

What happened to [Libya's] Mr. Gaddafi, many speculate the real reason he was ousted was that he was planning an all-African currency for conducting trade. The same thing happened to him that happened to Saddam because the US doesn’t want any solid competing currency out there vs the dollar. You know Gaddafi was talking about a gold dinar.

Indeed, senior CNBC editor John Carney noted:

Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.


Robert Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal thinks the central banking initiative reveals that foreign powers may have a strong influence over the rebels.


This suggests we have a bit more than a ragtag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” Wenzel writes.

Indeed, some say that recent wars have really been about bringing all countries into the fold of Western central banking.

Finally, trend forecaster Gerald Celente - who has been making some accurate financial and geopolitical predictions for decades - says WW3 will start soon.


Martin Armstrong argued that war plans against Syria are really about debt and spending:

The Syrian mess seems to have people lining up on Capital Hill when sources there say the phone calls coming in are overwhelmingly against any action. The politicians are ignoring the people entirely. This suggests there is indeed a secret agenda to achieve a goal outside the discussion box. That is most like the debt problem and a war is necessary to relief the pressure to curtail spending.

The same logic applies to Ukraine and other countries.

Billionaire investor Jim Rogers notes:

A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war, says international investor Jim Rogers.




“Add debt, the situation gets worse, and eventually it just collapses. Then everybody is looking for scapegoats. Politicians blame foreigners, and we’re in World War II or World War whatever.”

Americans Don't Want War

Poll after poll shows that the American people don't want to get involved in any more wars.

After all, we spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Americans are exhausted.  Not only does a top Pentagon official say we’re no safer – and perhaps less safe – after 13 years of war, but it has now been shown that war  hurts our economy.

Never-ending wars are also destroying our democratic republic.   The Founding Fathers warned against standing armies, saying that they destroy freedom.   They were right ...

And they warned against financing wars with debt.    But according to Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the U.S. debt for the Iraq war could be as high as $5 trillion dollars (or $6 trillion dollars according to a study by Brown University.)  The U.S. has the largest standing army in history, and treats anti-war sentiment as terrorism.

But war is great for the bankers  and the defense contractors.  And - as discussed above - governments are desperate for war.

So it's up to us - the people - to stop wider war.

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frankinpetca's picture

Didn't read all comments, but after a few, felt compelled to add my too senses worth. WWW3 obviously will be an economic one based on destroying each other economically because the foes are separated widely by land, and the marching of armies to conquer and/or blasting each other with nuclear weapons is no longer applicable. Destroying each others GPS systems will put transportation systems in a quandry. Interfering in internet services and editing them could lead to a source of confusion. thus person to person communications is required to avoid spying and misinformation problems and bombing those airplanes carrying those people or their representatives would be a choice to defeat economic adversaries. So my opinion it would be a war with the interference of communications to force foes to be in communications almost manually and thus being held to nearby places where communications can be assured to be what was intended. Cyber warefare has already started and will be super manifested in WWW3. Destroying the ability of foes to operate outside their local area will cause economic and strategic chaos since we have become mostly, economically and physically interdependent.  Thank God most people won't be physically damaged by the future wars, and maybe the elite will suffer enough to dislodge their urge to start one for economic gain. MY need to be optimist is always part of my analysis results.

 Guerilla warfare will be the physical aspect of it, like gassing the population or destroying the power grid with minor physical efforts. has come to me as I rethink it, and know that the general population will have to suffer enough to force the elites to surrender.

The other choice is an alternate society dependent on bit coins and ownership reduced to the minimum so that property and the grasping for them will be under community control and  less personal. The eternal cycle of person, to tribe, to community and eventually expanding to nationalism/capitalism and the eventual downfall to it, as the elite in a futile effort try to derive the most benefits and have a peon society under it.

SameAsItEverWas's picture

I can't understand how people can be so stupid that they believe the lies of their government and go off to kill and/ or be killed in what are always senseless wars based on lies that only a moron could believe.

steelhead23's picture

The framing you decry is premised on the theory that many among the elite are megalomaniacs, that either through their own ministrations, or blowback from their excesses. elicit wars of various types.  It seems to be a widely accepted frame.  Where praytell, doest thou believest the roots of war lie? 

Duffy's picture

round up the central bankers, bilderberg, club of rome, group of 30, CFR, AIPAC - and throw them in a jail.


Trial....  maybe one day...

falak pema's picture

War with Russia is a return to 1962 Cuban Crisis mind set.

With 8000 and 7000 nuclear warheads respectively its unthinkable that there will be a head on crisis.

The whole strategy of the USA, beginning with Nam, was to create a Shock Doctrine, aka asymmetric war to "sterilize" all temptation in third world to join the Commie bandwagon. The Dulles's had the Bandung (1955)/Cairo (1957)/Belgrade (1961) conferences five (Tito, Sukarno, Nehru, Nasser plus Algerian surrogates) in their cross hairs. Their successors went further by changing containment to outright aggression. Aldous Huxley day allowed that major mindset change.

Permanent asymmetric wars were good for MIC and planned obsolescence. Both the KGB and CIA bureaucracies benefitted from it.

It created the third world generation despots of Idi Amin, Q-daffy, Assad, Saddam, Zia ul Haq, Pinochet, Che Guevara, Angola, and Africa divided in two.

When Dear Henry changed the mix by proposing "detente" to Soviets and China and "butt bashing" in Laos and Cambodia, like the criminal bully Pax Americana had become, it became a selective and Oligarchical Arms Bazar with the ME Oil patch as its critical nexus from 1971/1973 financial (BW revoke) and petrodollar inception. 

The fall of Berlin Wall and Soviet regime has not destroyed Russian ambitions.

What the Saud oil spigot flooding did to Oil prices in 1983 contributed a lot to Soviet demise.

What the oil spike since 2003 has done is to resuscitate Russian ambitions, as they have the biggest land and resource base in the world and can now pay their way to military stand off pre-eminence; precisely due to the Bush-Clinton Oligarchy hubristic and greedy pushing to outsourcing US's industry to Chindia.

The inevitable happened as the Oil lobby sleight of hand of 1980s "oil plenty" became "peak oil" overnight! 

The US has  become a debt addicted nation living off other people's cheap labour and hiding behind "exorbitant privilege". 

Now the cry goes up for the US admin to resuscitate the SHOCK DOCTRINE again but this time against Russia and China. That means we revive Dr Stangelove's ghost! Are Gaza and Ukraine stepping stones to that madness? 

I don't see Russia and China backing off now. 

Can they, will they, and what will the US public say... after the Iraq/Afghan debacle and general disgust with body bags coming home for a lost cause, as that same feeling grows in Euro zone...Snowden has broken that "Homeland under danger" terror mold that dominates post 9/11.

Tipping times. But WW3?




Radical Marijuana's picture

"With 8000 and 7000 nuclear warheads respectively its unthinkable that there will be a head on crisis. ..."

falak pema, I believe you underestimate how criminally insane the ruling classes have really become, while that is matched by the degree to which those who are ruled over have become political idiots. Between those two matching book ends of the established social pyramid systems, the main thing that they have in common is evil deliberate ignorance towards all rational evidence and logical arguments.

It is practically impossible to have any saner debates or resolutions of the runaway problems which we are currently confronting. Succinct summaries of the history of how we got into these predicaments only explain how and why we ended up inside of the established criminally insane systems of  lies backed by violence, attempting to control the world in ways which are going utterly out of control, because virtually nobody is able and willing to recognize and admit any other relevant facts, while almost everyone follows some obsolete religion of ideology, to encourage themselves to rush head on into the wall of limits, and then bounce off a cliff of collapsing into chaos whose bottom can not now be seen.

We are approaching times of Peak Insanities, at an exponentially accelerating rate, as we approach Peak Everything Else. We are looking at the psychotic breakdown of a civilization controlled by enforced frauds, which have resulted in BOTH the ruling classes and those they rule over becoming more criminally insane than can be comprehended, except as psychological and political habits based on exploiting technologies which are trillions of times more powerful in ways which deliberately ignore those realities. By and large, the more one learns, the worse it gets, especially since almost everyone attempts to still maintain some irrational hopes that it could not actually become that bad!

Pretty well NOBODY is able and willing to pay sufficient attention to comprehending what weapons of mass destruction mean, other than through the increasingly delicate dynamic equilibria of MAD strategies, which depend upon being able to commit collective suicide, at a moment's notice. As my previous comment above outlined, there are practically NO rational debates remotely possible about anything underlying these problems. There continues to mainly be the runaway systems of absurd lies, backed by threats of violence, which are criminally insane!

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Well RM, you do have a point : In 1914 they did create mayhem in the same criminal oligarchy mindset which morphed further in WW2. 

You'd think they'd have learned from it and that the Cuban Crisis was the acid test that those same criminal cabals (banksta-MIC oligarchies and their paid poltical or royal front men), who had started WW1/WW2, were now sobered.

But it looks like Amnesia and moral decay in the face of wanton greed is a recurrent human trait. 


Radical Marijuana's picture

"Amnesia and moral decay" appear to me to have advanced to the level of criminal insanity. Therefore, I tend to not be able to believe in these kinds of optimistic outcomes, but rather, tend to expect the worst:

“The Coming Return of the Real US Dollar”

By David Robinson, August 1, 2014.

"... Conclusion ... As long as cooler heads prevail and prevent the World Zionists invaders and hijackers of America from starting a nuclear WW3, or a major new war in the Mideast or the Ukraine, or Homeland Security from provoking a major Civil War inside America, it looks like Americans will see a return of the real US Dollar, real United States Constitutional Money."

??? I do not expect "cooler heads to prevail," especially since all the underlying problems are automatically getting worse, faster ...

VWAndy's picture

What we need is a leash. The trick is puttin it on tight. The only way that happens is the stall.


 RM Did you get run over?

Radical Marijuana's picture

Putting a leash on vicious wolves is not easily done!


I have not been run over, so far, but I expect to eventually be, by the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut.

Radical Marijuana's picture

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO STOP WAR. It is only possible to develop different dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. There are chronic problems inherent in the nature of life, which must be resolved somehow. Those tend to be resolved by the evolution of ecologies. Human ecology already exists, however, it developed sets of the most expedient solutions to the chronic political problems through the history of warfare. Our civilization is deeply buried under the paradoxical ways that war was a racket. The deeper reasons for that tend to be deliberately ignored by the controlled opposition groups to the established systems which profit from war, i.e., currently the banksters and the corporations that grew up around them, which are set up to be able to operate their kinds of organized lies and robbery.

The actual bottom line is that there must necessarily be some death controls, as central to everything else. Militarism developed as the ideology of that murder system, which was the core of the history of the real development of human ecologies, which were the foundation upon which was built our political economy. Due to the chronic problems inherent in the nature of life, there are NO ways to stop wars. There are only possibly ways to wage better wars, as a permanent feature of the ways we resolve the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life. However, given that the real history of warfare selected for its success to be based on the maximum possible deceits, which then enabled a financial system to be built on that foundation based on the maximum possible frauds, within which overall context the established systems deny those basic social facts, while their controlled opposition groups also deny that those social facts should exist, we are currently inside systems of evil deliberate ignorance, which enable all the underlying factors driving us towards criminally insane wars to become more and more out of control.

The only genuinely better solutions to the problems of debt insanities driving us towards death insanities would be better systems of death control, backing up better debt controls. Within that context, George Washington's articles are typical of works done by reactionary revolutionaries, or the Black Sheeple. The overwhelming majority of those articles is based on excellent research, but which then collapses back to bullshit "solutions" at the end. We should be going through intellectual scientific revolutions in the ways that we think about politics, in order that those are able to be made more consistent with the sciences that enabled making weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance. War versus Peace is a false fundamental dichotomy. No more war, or stopping war, is an impossible ideal, which necessarily backfires badly and causes the opposite to happen in the real world. Similarly, those who recommend killing the killers, or similar versions of assassinating the war profiteers, or murdering the pyramidion people at the top of the social pyramid systems seem oblivious to the glaring paradoxical problems that their bogus "solutions" are based upon.

We need better death controls, which appear to be nowhere suggested above in this article, nor any of the comments upon it. Of course, given the degree to which the real world is controlled by the maximum possible deceits and frauds, and that includes almost all the controlled opposition groups, there does not seem to be any realistic expectations other than that the runaway debt insanities will provoke death insanities. I merely propose my own theoretical understanding of what sort of artificial selection systems it would take to cope with the existence of systems of globalized electronic frauds backed by the threat of the force of atomic bombs. (Of course, I do not expect that theory to make any practical difference. Therefore, I mostly just wait and watch as the established systems automatically get worse, faster,  until they drive themselves out of control into mad self-destruction.)

SameAsItEverWas's picture

How can war be coming when we're at the 100-year mark of the worldwide war that began in 1914 and never ceased? 

Don't believe the nonsense in the newspapers, or even the prognostications of your favorite self-proclaimed expert ("round up the usual supects") who Harry E. Barnes referred to collectively as "publicists" because they publicize their thoughts so that those without thoughts can adopt them, if not as thought, at least as belief.  Extremely few of us are capable of having an original thought.  And it's a very lonely world for those of us who think for ourselves and are strictly honest, because we often "burst the bubbles" or remove the shades from their eyes and this makes the herd very angry for having its long sleep disturbed.  It's an age-old story.  Look what they did to Jesus for speaking truth to the parisees.

Humans are much more like herd animals than they like to admit.  And the herd maintains order and discipline in its ranks just as Lt. Bly did with the sailors on HMS Bounty, who were kept in line by bullying, which can be found everywhere, and on fractal scales.  But what happens when the crew realizes that they'd be better off putting their captain in a lifeboat than to try to round Cape Horn again because of Bly's wish to circumnavigate the globe for pride?

When people are pushed to the breaking point they rebel.  Sometimes it takes decades and sometimes it takes centuries, but it's inevitable.  And that's when interesting things start to happen.  Those publicists are all saying that they think we're on the verge of an acceleration in the rate of change.  I hope they're right because I'm sick and tired of living in the intellectual torpor of George Orwell's Animal Farm.

But the thing is we can't have a new round of change without new thought leaders.  The herd needs people to give them ideas they can use as guidance.

Who are the thought leaders of today?  It's a pitiful lot.  We need someone with charisma!  Try wait,  Anyone who steps up to the plate ends up silenced somehow, like maybe killed by their new Mercedes which turned itself into a bomb, disgraced in scandal, imprisoned for something or other, or suicided in some fashion, or just old-fashion murdered.

We need someone like ... Scott Ritter?

Anyone remember the chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq, Scott Ritter, ret. USMC?  He was convicted of soliciting sex with a minor and served time in PA state prison system.  How many here know that?

dark_matter's picture

Can the Fourth Turning be stopped? Only if this time it really is different and we enter the Age of Aquarius instead. But not to worry, the Hero Generation will save us once again.

novictim's picture

If this list of clowns started doing something -useful- like working to get money out of politics (and economics) then they might actually be a force for good.


But no.  Their only play is to see how many of you people they can cram into their clown car of ideas.

Ignatius's picture

C-SPAN today featuring Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

The MSM narrative for 9/11 is a monstrous fraud.  The truth will out.

novictim's picture

Thanks for the link. C-SPAN ROCKS!

The country would be better off if more people took the time to watch C-SPAN 1-3.  I usually find at least one of the three channels that gets my attention.

the wet spot's picture

The internet and it's ability to move information and most importantly, truth, to each other is the best weapo we have against war.

DerAdler's picture

Keep of list of all the people in power for the last few decades. They created this mess. Hold them accountable and don't get fooled again. 

Maybe we should make each of them wear a gold star so we can easily identify them on the street.

Jack4952's picture

Want to prevent World War 3 and institute REAL political, economic and social change? A change that any ordinary person can take part in? No, NOT a violent revolution, which can easily be suppressed by armed government force.

Rather, a program of randomly targeted EXECUTIONS of the FINANCIAL and POLITICAL ELITES. And letting the public know WHY they were killed. Its effectivesness would be increased because it would NOT be organized or discussed with anyone else. Joe Smith sees Jamie Dimon in a restaurant. POW. A shot through the head. Harry Reid is walking through a crowd. A quick lateral slice with a knife under his rib cage on his right side - will bleed to death in minutes.

Examples: Warren Buffet; Janet Yellen; Bernard Bernanke; Jamie Dimon (JP Morgan); Christine LaGarde (IMF); David Rockefeller; Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman-Sachs); John McCain; Harry Reid; Hillary Clinton; Mitch McConnel; Mark Carney (Bank of England); any/all members of the House and Senate; justices of the Supreme Court; members of the EU Commission; family members of any monarchy; CEOs of Walmart, Shell Oil, Exxon, Monsanto; CEOs of every large bank, heads of the IMF, World Bank (WB), Bank of International Settlements (BIS); all members of the Rockefeller, Warburg, Schiff, Rothschild and other banking families; and so on.

When EVERY political and financial elite FEARS FOR HIS LIFE when outside the confines of his home, then you will see some change. When these folks understand that they may be killed by ANY member of the public at ANY time, then you will see them make offers to compromise. BUT have no false hopes: they will never give up. They will simply offer the people a brief respite from their serfdom - a compromise to get the people to stop killing them off.

Thomas Jefferson wrote, "When the people FEAR the government, you have tyranny. When the government FEARS the people, you have liberty."

The key word Jefferson, who selected his words very precisely, used was FEAR: the elites must truly FEAR the people for true freedom to exist. Voting and everything else is just political masturbation!

If this method appears harsh, just think of the MILLIONS of people throughout the world killed every year by these same economic and political elites.


VWAndy's picture

Violence begets violence. They have more scum to replace the current scum. Its not going to get the results needed.

 Force is thier game. We will never win playing thier game. Now pulling the plug changes all of the games.

Sheikh_Speare's picture

Violence is not the way.

If they've broken laws, they need to be jailed.


Juno Rock's picture



Nothing is going to change, except change itself. 

This will (as history proves) run its course. Quid Pro Quo. 

Truthseeker2's picture


"HINT:  Let’s get serious for a moment.  Most of us know by now that the Crash of ’29, as well as the Great Depression that followed, were the main events of an intricately engineered financial and economic armageddon calculated as a necessary prelude to the real Armageddon known as WWII.  Historically speaking, a man without a job, or prospects for employment in his homeland, is much more likely to hire himself out to his guvment as a mercenary fighting in a foreign land.  Hasn’t this been their (TPTW)* formula for both war and wealth creation for eons?!  Although it has always worked like a charm, wethinks the charm has finally worn out.  Yes, that old fashioned Hegelian dialectic based ‘problem – reaction – solution’ MO has seen its final days.  We also think their misbegotten plan to foist WWIII upon us has somehow been thwarted by the real TPTB.  Yes, they’ve finally been snoockered!"
*The Powers That Were

DerAdler's picture

You cannot vote your way to freedom.

kchrisc's picture

They need war.

jacship's picture

The Circus that continues in congress today tells us all we need to know,

A ship without a rudder, will never port

floudering until crushed by the rocks

Miles Ahead's picture

A ship without a rudder can never moor... floundering until crushed against the rocks.

Fixed it.  :P

no more banksters's picture

"... such an "official channel" may inject information inside the web, the information goes viral, and finally, people will start to get used to the idea of even the most terrifying scenarios, like those of a nuclear conflict, or, radical population control. Of course, this is just a theory, another "conspiracy theory" if you like. In any case, sometimes the system may benefit from the sincere willing of independent bloggers to whisper the truth."

goBackToSleep's picture

So, perhaps the July figure touted by lagarde in her IMF speech was quite accurate. Ebola salad anyone?

HeavydutyMexicanOfTheNorthernKingdom's picture

Quick, someone create a "WWIII" motif at so i can speculate with monopoly money!

joego1's picture

War is coming? It seems like it's been fairly nonstop from my standpoint. It's just that Americans seem to be insulated from the effects. That may be changing though.

Boubou's picture

True. US insulation means public apathy  -" let them play their games so long as there is no draft". That's also why US lashed out so wildly to 911 - their one real close and personal event.

In London  they had a 911 pretty much every night for 6 months around 1940.   Later the irish blew up the Conservatice  cabinet, and a bunch of drinkers and various pubs.

This is still strong in the national consciousness.

Miles Ahead's picture

Wow.  You mean to tell me English blew up their own buildings almost every night back in 1940 ala 9-11?   Geez, hope they didn't do 4 per day as we did.  They would run out of buildings to blow up in less than a month!

Having said all that, the English seem as about as apathetic as we.  After all they let Tony Bliar start a fake war and send their sons off to the slaughter, just like we.

Limbs Akimbo's picture

On an ongoing 'global management' I don't believe the central banks of the world (and the central bank of central banks...the B.I.S.) would allow WWIII as it is just too destructive and too much chance of them losing their power.

However, I could see a black swan event of some highly placed military personel taking that decision away from the collective bank brain with an arbitrary launch of some sort to get the ball rolling. But at least with the U.S. the military is tied in with defense manufacturing which is tied into large bank backing and financing. So the odds of a rogue general 'pushing a button' is low.

I currently believe the chance of WWIII is low unless it is the only way the western banking system can shed debt. We would [not] go to war because of too much debt. We would go to war for that very reason. Bonds and Treasuries held by the 'enemy' would be voided and hence...'no debt'.

GW...I appreciate the work on this. War has been a part of mankind since complex societies first developed. It is something we will always need to investigate and search for to hopefully keep in front of such developments.

JohninMK's picture

With the press in the Western world speaking with one voice the bulk of the sheeple are now brainwashed into thinking and believing along the lines the authorities want. This has not happened in any of the world crisises before, we used to have investigating and brave journalists backed by independant publishers, no more.

This will creep forward one step at a time.

What it needs is a 'killer' blow. By that I mean something so big that will make the US realise that it can't win.

As China must realise that once the US has 'picked off' Russia they will be next. The obvious strategy would be that the BRICS countries announce their 'Article 5', an attack on one is an attack on all.

If the US then decides that it can take on the might of Russia and China, on two fronts, at the same time, God help us all.

I just hope someone in Moscow reads this, we need a way out.

OldE_Ant's picture

Financial experts.  You mean the ones that predicted gold would go to $5 or $10k/oz.  That we'd run out of oil?  That our entire financial system would collapse by 2012? </sarc>

Honestly idiots the war has been on and continues unabated.

The war on Drugs.

The war on discrimination (i.e. with reverse discrimination).

The war on civil liberties and civil rights?

The war on open and free press.

The war on terrorists with our favorite weapon the remote death button called 'the drone'.

The war on sustainability via 'globalization'.

The war on disease (mostly losing in key areas, won in others but waiting for counterattack).

The war on critical thinking (with govt controlled media).

The war of the currencies (now on and in full swing).

The war on inflation (fail).

The war on world hunger (fail).

What people fail to recognize is the sheer physical death by humankind failing to end any of our wars and simply starting new ones because it's economically better if we blow shit up and then rebuild it to blow it up again.  There is no such thing as human cost because not one single war or disease in human history ever put a dent in population growth.

What is being destroyed (or to be politically correct) or transformed..  The death of rights and civil liberties (including right to free speech, right to be secure in persons and property, right to bear arms), the death of critical thinking by (media programming and the arise to the internet/virtual worlds via computer), and the arise of the super bugs due to wasteful and overuse of antibiotics not just in animals but also in humans.   Tack on the wholesale modification of the genetic footprint of all creatures on this planet with GMO overriding millions of years of natural genetic selection.

The new war..  My god folks wake up and smell the napalm in the morning because today the US government probably blew up at least 3 people somewhere and we are not in a war.  No we send drones across national borders and just drop bombs in a country.   You think Israel annoyed at Hamas because of a few shitty rockets.  Imagine what would happen if Iraq tried to fly drones over Western interests and start taking out key characters with mini bomb drones.   You don't think this is the next phase of terrorism you are completely dense.

World war.  We the people via our elected representatives have been at war (PC word) competition has been on forever.   We fail pretty miserably at cooperating unless we are trying to screw someone over.  The Tri-lateral commission speculation that if everything becomes global things will be better only makes a small problem - everyones problem, and a minor war eventually will become everyones war.

There is little we have done in our world to make it safer, and a better place to live long term.  But one can't argue with human numbers, we multiply while everything else divides so if we consider human success by human numbers.  We overwhemly are successful and no world war will put a dent on this.   The disaster would have to be very great to clear this planet of humankind.

I'm less concerned about war than about disease.  EIther an old germ with new tricks, or my personal favorite a GMO modification released into environment (i.e. medicine or agriculture) that results in unforseen consequences.   Those with darker views would believe that a few in power are working on that just to try to reduce human population by at least 90%.

No folks, war is on, has been on, and simply enlarges it's theater.  It's called competition and unfortunately we the people who have the most to lose from this simply can't muster the collective will or power to toss our elected reps out of office and reclaim functions of government for ourselves directly.   With the internet and twitter I can now effectively and instantly represent myself worldwide I don't need representation except in the places where I can't be all the time and even then unless it does affect me do I need representation?

I keep thinking we the people need a system whereby each person individually takes on and performs all government/social functions (but don't see us agreeing on this - many people are just too bloody lazy and don't want to do anything except get free everything).  We can still organize privately into groups that have 'representatives' to perform larger functions but these don't need to be institutionalized permanently in a form of government, and most certainly we no longer seem to need representatives and in fact these people no longer represent their constituents anymore (the biggest problem of representational government).

Let the government trolls bounce their balls all over this post.   The war is the same war, us against us the only thing that has changed is that we have better ways to screw people over now and gotten smarter about burying the crap amoungst the bullshit.

dontgoforit's picture

Symptoms of a wider malaise - the death of the spirit.

VWAndy's picture

 Pull the plug on everything. Energy,food,water,internet all of it world wide. Its all the honest labor that makes this world run. Thats what the beast needs to stay alive. It is easy for all leaders to say and do whatever they want because they have the beast to do thier dirty work. To keep them safe. They run the table on force its thier game and they change the rules to thier needs.

 Fuck the war mongers let them try and do all the real work. Keep it in mind most that work in gov do so because they couldnt keep a real job. The productive do all the real work. The rest enjoy the ride on my dime.

 We honest folks build all this great stuff. Lets see what these stupid lazy fucks can do without our real honest work. Before it can be taken and used to enslave us all. Regular folks have to make it. IF WE STOP IT ALL STOPS.

 I would guess 90b% of the beast power would vanish without our labor. Non of these so called leaders could do jack without our efforts. Its like the guy that brings his car into my shop and starts telling me how to do my job. That talk stops when I hand him the tools and say show me. It turns out talking is all they can do.

 Funny thing we bitch and cry plenty. But we keep providing them with the labor they fucking swipe and use agianst us. The spice must stop! No is a powerful word if you really mean it.


basho's picture
"Nouriel Roubini, Kyle Bass, Hugo Salinas Price, Charles Nenner, James Dines, Jim Rogers, David Stockman, Marc Faber, Jim Rickards, Paul Craig Roberts, Martin Armstrong, Larry Edelson, Gerald Celente and Others Warn of Wider War "

1. "wider war" does that mean ww3?

2. what makes these guys experts on the question?

3. with a little bit of effort, i think one can put together a list of contra opinion.

4. "A black swan in the form of a war between China & Japan?" how often has Nouriel Roubini been wrong in his chosen field economics?

5. "an advisor to Putin replied"  who said it??

6. "A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war," could or would?

7. "all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation." we are at war right now what do you mean by war ww3?

8. Currency wars lead to trade wars, which often lead to hot wars.

I would suppose all of the quotes are full of holes and full of innuedo. I don't have the time to look at them all.

As for who is desperate for war why waffle with "And - as discussed above - governments are desperate for war."? why not say it the ussa is desperate for war. what is your solution? i assume it's your country with a name like geo washington

I don't know what your purpose is with this post George but combing the internet for 'going to war' quotes and selectively presenting them is a bit silly imo. it is a bit like verbal war mongering. and imo a bit paranoid.



steelhead23's picture

The framing you decry is premised on the theory that many among the elite are megalomaniacs, that either through their own ministrations, or blowback from their excesses. elicit wars of various types.  It seems to be a widely accepted frame.  Where praytell, doest thou believest the roots of war lie? 

Miles Ahead's picture

You don't have time to look at them all as you're so engrossed in long posturing monologues on comment boards.  News Flash: these comments are posted for the consumption of other posters and posers.  You intimating a surety that George is reading your comment, well that's imo a bit silly and a bit paranoid... imo.  Just sayin'...

Sheikh_Speare's picture

Doubt is ok, Allow me to elaborate and aswer you with more information to process though;


1: Yes, since we are undoubtedly in already in a global conflict stage. Similar to WW2 & WW1 for example, we already have the lines drawn and the teams picked.

2. You can easily see the history and background of the gentlemen mentioned. For example, the article states Paul Craig Roberts background and credibility. Gerald Celente runs the Trend Research Institute and has predicted many enormous global political events in the past. He is very well kows for this, having even appeared on countless news stations worldwide. So he's even accepted by the mainstream as one of the best Global Political forsight gurus of our time.

3. Please take the effort and do so, in order to formulate a strong argument to the article.

4. You're asking us to prove your point? Well how many and please explain.

5. Sources must sometimes remain anonymous, but it's true that the burden of proof lies with the author, however also we must be carefull because tha doesn't mean it's not true.

6. I don't think the author implied it would, he's making a point of another factor weighing in on the issue.

7. I think he means, it can easily go from currency war to physical war. A study of resent history does prove his point. this should cover you 8th point.


It's really a good article.

Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean the danger isn't there ;)



mayhem_korner's picture



Is your moniker Sheikh_Speare because GW_minion was taken?  Stuart?  Dave?  Kevin?

Sheikh_Speare's picture

ya, I'm GW's minion, because I have an opinioin that agrees with his.

FAIL, try again douche

mayhem_korner's picture



Try doing a little homework on GW's "research" and journalism.  His selectivity has been well exposed.  But you'll find that out eventually, or maybe not if you're a yes man...

Party on.

Edit: At least you had the wherewithal to recognize that you were spouting nothing apart from opinions.  Which most people aren't confused to believe are sufficient to prove anything. 

Miles Ahead's picture

+1.  Had I the time (or energy) I would have written exactly the same thing above.  The nerve of some of these self-important people eh?  Who is Paul O'Neill, Paul Craig Roberts? Geez...

mayhem_korner's picture



...which is to say you would have said things like "I think" when you don't know, and opine with conviction on things for which you weren't even around (like WW1 and WW2)?  Is that what you mean?  Or do you mean that you simply accept the article title that these people are "experts" and therefore never wrong in their prognostications. 

Sheikh_Speare's post included nothing of substance...just a bunch of "me too" echoes of an author who is a regular with the sleight-of-hand.

Rigor and discernment must be foreign concepts to you.  So you hide in the masses of collectivism, rather than taking a critical eye to what is fed to you.

So are you Kevin, Dave, or Stuart? 

q99x2's picture

I'm not going to sacrifice my life to take down a queeny or two or one of the 85 scumbags. I'm going to college to get a job at UNESCO instead.