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Why China Wants Control Of The South China Sea In 10 Charts

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A stunning $5.3 trillion in goods cross South China Sea every year, and as we previously explained, 190 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves sit below the ocean floor - enough to replace China's natural gas imports for over a century - so it is hardly surprising that the world's largest importer of oil wants control of such a critical region.

 

As Bloomberg illustrates in these 10 incredible graphics, everyone has a claim on the same territory and tensions are rising. “The Chinese believe they have the right to be a great power,” said Richard Bitzinger, a senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore. “What we are seeing is a hardening of China’s stance about its place in the world.”

 

 

What's at stake...

 

The Claims...

 

The Chaos...

 

As Bloomberg concludes,

The ambitions of China’s leaders don’t stop at the nine-dash line.

 

China’s ultimate long-term goal is to obtain parity with U.S. naval capacity in the Pacific,” said Willy Wo-Lap Lam, adjunct professor at the Centre for China Studies at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. “This is a long-term proposition. At this stage the Chinese understand they don’t have the capacity to take on the U.S. head-on.”

 

China is testing the limits of America’s alliance relationships in Asia,” said Storey. “By pushing and probing and essentially showing that the U.S. isn’t willing to respond to these provocations, it is undermining those alliances and hence ultimately U.S. credibility and U.S. power over the long term.”

 

There are two schools of thought on the eventual outcome of China’s ascendancy, according to Rory Medcalf, director of the International Security Program at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney.

 

One argues that dominance of the South China Sea is an inevitable outcome of China’s economic and military expansion. The other says that China will have to curb its ambitions or risk provoking a conflict, even war, which could draw in the U.S.

 

It’s not possible to judge which scenario ends up proving right, said Medcalf. “The story is only beginning.”

 

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Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:04 | 5039002 CrazyCooter
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Seriously? Who drew those boundaries for the SCS? Extending past Indonesia ... don't they have the South Indonesia Sea?

Regards,

Cooter

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:35 | 5039075 SWRichmond
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Maps are your friends.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:38 | 5039084 CrazyCooter
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Don't disagree. I personally spend money on maps; I hang them in my office at work and at home.

What point were you making? Just wanted to clarify ...

Regards,

Cooters

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:46 | 5039103 max2205
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Are those charts log scale?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:54 | 5039118 CrazyCooter
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Que?

According to Wiki ... The Pacific Ocean is the largest of the world's oceans, extending from the Arctic in the north to Antarctica in the south. Covering 169.2 million square kilometers, it is larger than all of the Earth's land area combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_fisheries

If one takes a look at fisheries, China reports basically 20% of the entire worlds "capture" fish harvest ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_industry_by_country

Can anyone in global commercial fishing add some salt to that? This has to be on the high seas at large (i.e. international waters). I don't know exactly how that works otherwise.

Maybe I hire some high dollar Easter Island Inc. consultants to help me with projections? Those guys are Pacfic, right?

Regards,

Cooter

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:44 | 5039224 old naughty
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Those maps are darkly surreal, no?

Key words: "...just beginning." We shall see.

btw, some believe the largest ocean is below the surface.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:37 | 5039513 svayambhu108
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The more I see the Malaca strait the more I think of the two malayesian airlines like a warning to the chinese:

See we can do it in the plain sight and we have the articulate media with us.

 

I bet chinese strategist when think of Malaysia first thing they think about the strait.

At this point China doesn't have a serious international television that matches RT, I think evene Press is better.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 02:03 | 5039686 Herd Redirectio...
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When I look at those claims, its obvious that Taiwan and Vietnam's claims will be acquired by China.  One by force, the other through vassaldom.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:02 | 5039747 old naughty
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If NWO is to render all borders disappear...then we must be awaken to the soon-to-be "reality"; and thinking along nation's borders would not bring solution(s) but more conflicts.

But then we must think out of the box/matrix to "nullify" their execution of their agenda, no?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 22:09 | 5039286 Thirtyseven
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The persian Gulf has been so named since BCE time due to Persia being one of, if not the, most powerful empires at the time.  Why isn't it called the Arabian gulf when so many on the peninsula wish it to be so and even identify it as such on their own maps? 

Well, when was Arabia ever a strong geopolitical center?  Even after Mohammed the centers of power quickly moved to Baghdad, Damascus and Shiraz.  When the oil runs out they will be nothing again, except for having a meteorite on a pedestal and a large black rock nearby.

But why is the Arabian Sea to the west of India and below Pakistan?  There are stranger things to be seen on maps and for stranger reasons.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 22:25 | 5039327 CrazyCooter
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So, your point is ... "on a long enough timeline" ... ?

My point was that the "South China Sea" as presented has precisely zero to do with China and is really just a sort of "China really can project power in this area - really" sort of hand wave magic trick ... presumably by someone that wants to sell China (investments).

Belive in that shit? Get long Mandaran and go sink six or seven (or eight) figures in China.

Look at food supplies, energy supplies, and demographics. China loses, loses, and loses again.

China ain't running shit in that neck of the woods (except Japan - they are ripe for someone to pick).

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 00:41 | 5039591 Wild Theories
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The point is, many geographic locations are named by the first/dominant users of that location. 

 

- Cyprus is physically closer to the middle-east, yet it is Greek in origin because Greeks settled it first and have been there since Mycenaen Greek period(that's Troy and Achilles times). Even though Turks have contested Cyprus and are obviously stronger than the Greeks, Cyrus still remains more Greek than Turkish simply because the Greek part of its history is way longer than the Turkish part.

- The Persian Gulf is so named because the Persians were the first to traverse it, Muslim Arab states along the Perssian gulf came along much later than the Persians. When Persians were first sailing the gulf(think war with the Greeks, scanty persian dancers, BC times) before the birth of Islam, most of the Arabs in the area were just tribal herdsman still scratching sand between their toes.

- The South China Sea is so named because the Chinese were the first to traverse it, and they used it more than others. Before European arrvial in Asia, the Phillipinos had been barely out of the jungle and didn't even have boats bigger than tree trunks. Whilst the Singaporean Chinese population were brought to Singapore during European colonization as workers for the British, the ethnic Chinese population in Malaysia have been there for many generations and are mostly descendants of settled Chinese sea merchants that predate European arrival in Asia.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 02:05 | 5039689 Herd Redirectio...
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Chinese historically didn't sail west of Malaysia much.  Currents and winds, AFAIK.  A lot easier to sail from India to China than vice versa, by that reckoning.

 

Hence their presence in Malaysia, Indonesia, Manila, etc.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 06:39 | 5039827 conscious being
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HRD - re. Chinese west of Malaysia not much due to wind and current??

I don't think you are a sailor. June to September the winds blow out of the SouthWest. October to May, they reverse direction every year. Wait for the wind that best suits your direction of travel. Westbound, use the Straits of Malacca. Eastbound, use the Sunda Strait to go with the flow, ie. Current.

Marco Polo and Ibn Battuta talk a lot about Chinese junks in the India Ocean. Each sailed on several. Marco comanded at least one that was to take his party from China, across the Indian Ocean to Arabia [He was escorting a Chinese princess.] They each were shipwrecked on more than one.

Full disclosure, I have no dog in this fight.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 01:46 | 5039672 401K of Dooom
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BCE?  Don't you mean "BC"?  You're not being politically correct, are you?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:08 | 5039155 Lin S
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All your map are belong to us.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 07:03 | 5039852 what's that smell
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Why China Wants Control Of The South China Sea In 10 Charts.... Why US Wants Control Of The South China Sea In 10 Charts. fixed.
Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:15 | 5039467 Kirk2NCC1701
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A 5th grader can probably figure out that the Chinese need these islands as naval bases for ships to monitor and protect their oil tankers.  Actually, my 5th grader did figure this out.

The US is scared to death to have Malaysia and Indonesia "go Chinese".  Japan also.  You can tell that the CIA/NSA are really putting the screws to Malaysia.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:34 | 5039503 CrazyCooter
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The current batch of politicos in any country can only get away with what the people let them get away with ... this is a careful balancing act ... if, as you suggest, the US is leaning that hard on Malaysia, then they are resisting for a substantial reason.

Case in point; Iraq.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:43 | 5040747 Totentänzerlied
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Yep, until ZH put up a map of Chinese South China Sea claims a week or so ago, I'd never seen how very, very absurd they are. It is like Britain claiming everything from Iceland to the Strait of Gibraltar to the Baltic Sea (which it, of course, tried to, for a time, in addition to controlling the Mediterranean, and as I just learned, still owns Gibraltar).

"Who drew those boundaries for the SCS?"

I'll give you 3 guesses...

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:08 | 5039008 NoDebt
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Their version of the Monroe Doctrine.  Not all that hard to understand for an up-and-coming world power.  Ours was declared in the early 1800s, as we were quickly emerging as a regional power, but long before becoming a world power.

This process will happen much more quickly for China, of course, as all things in the modern world happen more quickly than in the past.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:29 | 5039059 darteaus
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Monroe Doctrine:

"...further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention.  At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would [not] interfere with existing European colonies..."

China Doctrine:

"It's ours."

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:31 | 5039068 CrazyCooter
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My point is there are many countries in this area and the "South China Sea" is being almost treated as "Pacific". Many countries in this area have sovereign claims on what is being presented as "Chinese" though the use of the language "South China Sea" in the first map.

Very much NOT the case.

Indonesia. Vietnam. Malaysia. Philippines. FFS, while we are at it, let's cut out Korea and Japan out of the map just to keep shit simple. They obviously don't give a pinch of coon shit about trade traffic in the region as presented, so why include them?

All of these nations (as I listed and more) require water/shipping access to export/import and all will treat such access as par to national security. Hell, when you get North Pacific, you are talking Russia as well via Vladivostok.

Now, if China wants to sink every ship that isn't approved with packs of subs to force submission (sound familiar?), then that is a different ballgame, but that isn't the proposition is it?

Me thinks the Asia bulls (Faber, Rogers, etc) are busy trying to find idiots to unload their investments on, because that is one part of the world which is very long on people (with a heavy male bias) and very short on diplomacy. Hell VN was essentially rioting over a Chinese dry well off their coast. Both China and Japan are epic monetary messes and Korea isn't far behind.

And on top of all that, everyone is lined up to Tijuana Donkey Show Japanese comfort men in a long postponed yet quite overdue payback for His Imperial Jackass Hirohito's WW2 shenanigans as it is still widely perceived that the Japanese still think the only problem with WW2 is that they didn't win.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 01:44 | 5039671 hedgiex
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Yes China not that stupid to use force on SE Asia which anyway is filled with crony governments that they can bribe. This they have learnt well from US.

Never has it been a better time for China to push the envelope signaling the end of will and money in US for SE Asia to be still in the contest for economic hegemony.

Yes the Faber & Roger are spinning on stability in this place with China tilting towards a hard landing and who has the greatest impact of these economies in its backyard.

However, will not write off Japan who has forged a much more benign win-win tie with the Young Middle Class Asians who are prepared to move on. This class matters and is hostile towards China and neutral towards US. (US moving fast delineating this group by same idiotic support of their as said many crony leaders).

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:52 | 5039781 Urban Redneck
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I'm looking for the comparable US & European colonies on that map of the South China Sea... but there aren't any.

Moreover, the US commitment not to interfere with the internal affairs of other nations and their colonies wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

Big Businesses' interests, dual-citizens, financing rebellions, gun running, and manipulating or accepting the mechanisms of international law only so long as outcomes were favorable to the USSA -- neither the strategy nor tactics have significantly changed in over 100 years.

The Monroe Doctrine was American hypocrisy at its finest. Now we have a cheap imitation with large publicly traded interests dictating terms with the help of their friends in Langley and their little pet Obongo.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:32 | 5040107 Winston Churchill
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The Monroe doctrine wasn't effective either.

Britain controled in S. America until WWI.That loss of the S.American trade was the true death

knell of Pax Britannia.Only during WWI did US dominance over S.America become de facto.

The written  history has been distorted as usual.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:34 | 5039071 Bear
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Oh damn, is that's what's happening to me in bed ... Not the Monroe Doctrine, the other thing happening faster than in the past

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:49 | 5039110 max2205
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JFK had a Monroe doctrine. ....didn't work out too well for either one of them.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:42 | 5039096 NYPoke
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It is the Chinese Version of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona & California.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:08 | 5039012 The Alarmist
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I thought it was just an attempt to secure their trademark.  It is the China sea, after all.  Seriously, I'm actually surprised Russia and China have not more publicly invoked their own versions of the Monroe Doctrine for their respective spheres of influence and pointed to the precedent set by the US.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 22:37 | 5039361 CrazyCooter
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Curiously, the google search "site:zerohedge.com "Monroe Doctrine"" finds this post as its top result (with a two days old timestamp - haha).

And the second (and third) result was ... wait for it ... The Diplomat! Comedy gold!

What is up with all the Monroe Doctrine citations this thread?

Seriously guys, just step up the logical banter a bit and stop relying on this cheap "stay it alot and sound smart" crap they use on MSM.

Regards,

Cooter

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:11 | 5039017 Hongcha
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Looking at the list of countries with claims ... my money is on China in that race.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:12 | 5039022 Atomizer
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Just ass monkeys that think they'll land on the seat of world government. 

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:18 | 5039034 Stuck on Zero
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This is the day and age of "Smart Mines." That means that whoever feels they've lost the battle for the South China Sea's assets will mine the whole area and deprive everyone of the reputed benefits.

 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:51 | 5039112 max2205
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And  give out EZ Passes

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:12 | 5039161 toady
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Straits of Malacca dude.

Want to fuck up the whole deal?

Straits of Malacca.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:30 | 5039042 Bear
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What we are seeing is a hardening of China’s stance about its place in the world.” ... just as our Empire has gutted itself with Emperior Obama ... Ugh!!

Oh, and now it makes infinite sense that we are alienating Russia at every turn.

The world sees that we are no longer engaged or even interested and they are rushing to act in the next two years. 

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:22 | 5039047 Binko
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The growth of Chinese power was fueled 100% by Western greed and short-sightedness. We sent them the vast majority of the world's productive base in return for cheap consumer goods and short-term profits.

History may view this as perhaps the greatest geo-political blunder of all time because the Chinese adamantly believe that their destiny is to be the dominant power on earth and we, in our foolishness, have given them the wealth to pursue their plans.

You really have to laugh to think about a vast Chinese navy built from profits from all the junk sold at the Walmart's of the western world.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:36 | 5039081 Omen IV
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yes but it proves that the Washingtom looks continuously at short term goals

Ukraine is another example - they could be fostering relationship with Russia instead the create the problem

everything that happened with China is about destroying the Unions in the US - the long term effect of empowering China they didnt care about in 1990

now the chickens coming home in China and Russia emergence and we have to go to war due to myopia of DC

name a President you had any respect for beyond IKE, JFK, Nixon since WWII?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:02 | 5039138 Lin S
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...

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:39 | 5039213 COSMOS
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LOL the irony is so strong, back in the the colonial days we were dumping opium on them and making them a third world nation.  Now they are dumping cheap plastic crap on us via the Walmart hopium dens.  The last emperor would of been very pleased.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:30 | 5040098 Vendetta
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They made themselves a 3rd world nation back then just like the corruption of DC is making the US a 3rd world nation today.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:02 | 5039139 Lin S
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Now, just hold on a sec! I have endless respect and admiration for... er, umm...

...yeah I've got nothin'.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:26 | 5039188 toady
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You lost me with Nixon, but agreed on everything else.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:52 | 5039543 11b40
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Nixon! Are you ducking frunk?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:19 | 5040866 Totentänzerlied
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"they could be fostering relationship with Russia"

Where's the money in that?

"instead the create the problem" and then sell the solution, now we're talkin'!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:58 | 5039131 yrbmegr
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China has a very long history, and very deep culture, of not caring about the rest of the world.  China has always regarded itself as a regional hegemon, and nothing more.  They will cease to care, and become embroiled in regional conflicts on all sides, before making a bid for global dominion.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 06:03 | 5042888 Leraconteur
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That regional hegemony will include The Pacific Ocean, Australia and the Strait of Malacca.

Remember The Monroe Doctrine? Manifest Destiny? 54-40 or Fight?

The USA, the world great power and current #2 economy, simply declared itself.

THIS IS MINE BECAUSE I SAY SO!

Justification came later.

The Chinese are following the playbook, unfortunately the industrialised world handed them the tools and money and foolishly thought this would alter their thinkiing to post-Enlightenmient, modern values, social democracy and all that silliness.

Wrong, round eye. 

The USA took what it wanted and just by saying so.

China will do the same.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 02:16 | 5039477 Kirk2NCC1701
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Perhaps you're right.  But you DO know that the mastermind behind Nixon's China Policy was [drum-roll]... Henry Kissinger.

The same guy who also advised him to go off the gold standard.  Is Kissinger a Globalist?  Probably.  Very probably.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 07:34 | 5039850 conscious being
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ZH just had a op about the ongoing power shake up in China since the Bo Xilai scandal broke, the English financial fixer was poisoned scandal.

Bo's boss Zhou? is now under attack in local social media. One of the accusations that he has to deal with is that he hosted, in his house, not too long ago, the evil Henry Kissenger.

Finally Captain, you are a good man, but you need to get off the BitCoin tractor beam / vulcan mind warp. It is useful to dodge currency controls, but otherwise, leads nowhere as a store of value. 1st mover advantage fades. Conscious Being out. Closes flip phone.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:27 | 5039052 kchrisc
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Another chart might show how the primary goal of China's posturing in the South China Sea is to show its neighbors how finished the DC US is as a sponsor and protector: "There's a new sheriff in town."

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:21 | 5039171 CrazyCooter
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That is correct.

To illustrate your point, they won't be back to VN waters in the near term unless the US decides to sink a few B large into a deepwater naval base. VN and CN both benefit far too much from trade to blow those billions over a dry (or wet) hole. That development can happen <cough> jointly.

Japan is the wildcard though (if that expression can be stretched), because everyone in the neighborhood wants to see them bleed.

Regards,

Cooter

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:33 | 5039073 ebworthen
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The U.S. is content to claim only 12 miles offshore of its coastline, if that.

I remember seeing Russian and Chinese trawlers off the VA coast with the naked eye.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:37 | 5039088 teslaberry
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taiwan is nothing other than a colony of the u.s. , much like israel.

only israel has big friends in some wealthy european families. taiwan might have some friends in other parts of asia, but the second the u.s. loses leverage with china, and needs to offer a bargain to china in return for concessions------taiwan will be handed over on a silver platter.

there's more than enough rich corrupt taiwanese , and chinese spies in taiwan, that want to reunite with the mainland anyways.

it's only a matter of time. taiwan was almost the scene of a major naval battle invovling the u.s. after ww2 and the u.s. came close to nuking china as well.

i don't know what the u.s. will cook up in the future, but i don't think it will be risking its neck for taiwan, so much as sacraficiing taiwan to save itself and delay the inevitable.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:03 | 5039145 Lin S
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Truth.

Which is why all of the Green Party faithful keep their properties in Newport Beach, and their passports current.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:35 | 5039207 toady
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In the good ol' days when I was stationed in Japan the U.S. would sail the fleet between Taiwan and the mainland every once in awhile and we'd go on alert. I'm sure they still do every now and then, but I'm out of the loop.

Sounds like it might not be a smart thing to do any time soon.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 01:33 | 5039654 Joenobody12
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Sorry, it should be the US is nothing more than a colony of Israel - judging from the fact that all the current wars the US is engaged are in the ME on behave of Gods chosen people. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:41 | 5052390 teslaberry
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how wrong you and all the other anti-semites are. 

 

the u.k. has substantial influence on u.s. and israeli policy, but when the u.s. u.k. oligarchy need to start a war, israel is the first on the chopping block and will be the major gambit piece of world war 3. 

i have jewish friends that even believe this gambit is being planned by operation paperclip natzi's embedded in the u.s. government, but i think he's a bit nuts. 

 

reality is complex, but one thing is simple, leading edge front countries of an empire do not control the empire. and the idea that they do is actually a meme cooked up by anti-semites. 

 

it's one thing to be critical of israel, and aipac corrupt money in the u.s but guess what you moron, u.s. was supporting israel before the existence of aipac. and it wasn't because the adl or the other jewish groups in america had so much power, it's because-----the u.s. miltiary seees israel like taiwan. 

 

the taiwanese, like the israelis are armed to the teeth . and the u.s. is the one who decides when the real trigger is pulled. 

the u.s. miliitary sees the palestinians liek native americans. israel's ultimate purpose is to fight a war in the middle east that creates so much chaos it destroys israel and other nations in the processs of paving the way for new world order. 

 

please, continue to indulge in the fanatasy of the big zionist conspiracy. just becaseu there are major central banks ruling the world, doesn't mean israel controls america. the american military IS the major asset of western alligned central banks, and they will use that asset, the american military as they see fit. the u.s. is a rook. israel is but a pawn. however powerful it might appear.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:42 | 5039092 Karaio
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British and French had the Suez Canal. 

U.S. had the Panama Canal. 

Before that, the Bosphorus was the subject of disagreement, the entire Mediterranean at the time of sailing from Greece to Rome. 

Treaty of Tordesillas divided the world between Spain and Portugal, the two secrets were the Cape of Good Hope by the Portuguese and the passage south of Chile by the Spaniards. 

South China Sea is fashion, in a few years will pass without the ice in Russia. 

If we get there. 

 

Slave Isaura: 

 

My wife is curious, I do not have FB, she has. 

Look for "tiadalvatel" hotmail. 

It is a way of knowing where we are.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:45 | 5039100 Aquarius
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"... it is undermining those alliances and hence ultimately U.S. credibility and U.S. power over the long term.”

ROFL

What US credibility are you talking about? Name one context? (just one)

Ho hum

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 07:48 | 5039899 conscious being
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There is a credible belief that the [dieing] empire will ef you up in some weird way. Any thing from assassinations to bird flu to making your airliners disappear. You don't get to be the PTB w/o being ruthless.

The money powers behind the US must be approached with trepidation.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:44 | 5039101 Yen Cross
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    Leme guess? Hmmm, nope, not that. Ummm, Vegas hookers/ no.

  China over the last 6 millennia has been focused on centralized expansion. China's population is aging and shrinking, (VIA) previous policy.

  Chinese money is flowing into western markets because "western markets" have purchased cheap Chinese trinkets for "30+" years.  The Chinese advances in metallurgy are a perfect example.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:55 | 5039120 Lin S
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Double tap

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:12 | 5042620 Ginsengbull
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.45 ACP only needs a single tap.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:55 | 5039121 Lin S
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Excellent post.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:05 | 5039449 drdolittle
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Demographically doomed yes. Got 20 million excess males, yes also. Viking expansion driven by excess males. Gotta get rid of them somehow. I think NATO 7.62X51 is the solution to their excess male problems. OTOH, they gotta go for it now or very soon, before they get too old or start rioting inside China.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:11 | 5042619 Ginsengbull
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.30-06 works better.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 20:47 | 5039106 Runs-With_Toast
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This is where the big conflict will start

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:03 | 5039140 SweetDoug
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Let the Asians deal with the Asians. It's their backyard.

Let's sit back and watch the fireworks!

Then go in and mop up what's left and take it for ourselfs!

 

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V-V

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:20 | 5039759 fukidontknow
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You already tried that (WW2) but being big time losers it hasn't worked out for you!

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:22 | 5039173 q99x2
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China will go for it as Washington D.C's power. continues to decline.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:25 | 5039185 Bear
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power?

I think we should turn off all the power to DC ... lets reduce it all the way to zero

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:24 | 5039180 Bear
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Taiwan and China seem pretty damn greedy.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:28 | 5039190 Bear
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There's one spot where all six countries claim ... good grief

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:44 | 5039223 luckylogger
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With all the good people in the USA, how come we keep ending up with such loosers as leaders????

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:38 | 5039514 Wahooo
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Why would TPTB want to install a good person in office?

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 21:46 | 5039231 MalteseFalcon
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SPOILER ALERT:

The south China sea is to China as the Gulf of Mexico is to the USA.  And, no, the USA doesn't give a shit what Mexico thinks.

THE END.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 08:02 | 5039910 Fred123
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Your comment shows how truly ignorant you are about what happens in the Gulf of Mexico. But it fits your narrative therefore it must be true.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:10 | 5042617 Ginsengbull
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But nobody calls it the Gulf of The US.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 22:56 | 5039421 dag
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"At this stage the Chinese understand they don’t have the capacity to take on the U.S. head-on.”

The US and Japan will not allow China the time to reach "capacity."

There will be war.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:02 | 5039435 robertocarlos
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According to my maps, the world is flat.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 05:45 | 5039810 orangegeek
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yep, hand it over to China and watch China rape and pillage the area until it's dead

 

these fkg communists are animals that walk upright

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 07:08 | 5039859 Raging Debate
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Part of the responsibility of reserve currency host in policing global trade. I don't run the world, it is the way it is.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 07:44 | 5039889 smacker
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"There are two schools of thought on the eventual outcome of China’s ascendancy, according to Rory Medcalf, director of the International Security Program at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney.

One argues that dominance of the South China Sea is an inevitable outcome of China’s economic and military expansion. The other says that China will have to curb its ambitions or risk provoking a conflict, even war, which could draw in the U.S."

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I think it's inaccurate to characterise potential US involvement in the region in this way. It is far more likely that the USG will actively manipulate (or pre-empt) war with China in the foreseeable future before it becomes militarised as described. That is neo-con policy.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:34 | 5040917 Totentänzerlied
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But neocons (and western imperialists in general) aren't fond of shooting wars unless they're being waged against vastly inferior (by traditional standards) forces in geopolitically isolated/unpopular/unknown places that essentially cannot defend themselves from, specifically, missiles, bombers, and jets (lacking an airforce and usually a navy too, harking back to Israel's opening play in the Six Day War). When it comes to big players, the historical strategy is just to harass and provoke, but keep the wars cold (or proxy).

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 02:54 | 5042766 smacker
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I think it was neo-con Krauthammer who said ~10 years ago in an interview with the BBC that by 2020-2025, the United States will have to face-off China before it becomes too strong militarily. Behind that was their objective for the US to remain the global pre-eminent power.

I took that to mean that their overiding consideration is whether they believe they can win a hot war against China and they think 2025 is the time limit based upon their assessment of military development going on in China. The numbers of deaths on both sides is not their prime consideration. Empires don't think like that.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 09:23 | 5040003 newbee
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This is why we're pivoting our interests away from the ME and much more towards Asia, that simple.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 09:34 | 5040024 Temerity Trader
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So, to maintain our hegemony, only the U.S. can have a big navy and air force. No other country is allowed to have the weapons we do. We are the rulers of the world and the American oligarchs demand respect accordingly.  We have a lot to learn long way to fall. Just like the Soviet Union, we have spent our futures and our kid’s futures on a massive military buildup and costly adventures around (our) world. We are now almost $18T in debt and totally reliant on Fed money creation and Chinese bond buying to prop us up a little longer. This level of spending and debt cannot be sustained.  The American oligarchs will force us into a war as a distraction, or they will push someone like Putin, too far and miscalculate. The Middle East is mess with failed countries everywhere, and with our interventions making matters even worse.

The Chinese have every right to push the American oligarchy away from their shores. Why don’t we allow other countries to establish military bases in the U.S. or nearby? Maybe Russia should build a big airbase in Mexico, or outside L.A? The American people would go nuts, but okay for the U.S. to do the same all over the world.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 09:53 | 5040046 22winmag
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Why China Wants Control Of The South China Sea In 10 Charts... which is why the gloablist demon cats from hell are pulling out all the stops in persecuting Malaysia. The straights of Malacca are still the most important shipping lane in the world and Maylasia holds the keys to the expansion of China's (and the worlds) shipping lanes and "silk road". 

 

Expect another Malaysian jetliner to fall out of the sky soon.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:48 | 5040532 smacker
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They could always build a new east <--> west shipping canal across Thailand south of Phuket from the Andaman Sea to Gulf of Thailand, which would have the added benefit of keeping the Islamic terrorists in Southern Thailand under better control.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:00 | 5040057 AnAnonymous
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Maybe time for Chinese to turn 'american', that way, they will be enlightened to the great 'american' feature: overcoming the environment.

When done, just like any other 'american', they will be able to certify and demonstrate how the environment does not matter.

Wars for 102 years in gas supply, really? How un-american. 'Americans' do not need resources to build a thriving economy.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:17 | 5040078 vyeung
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I wonder why its called the South China Sea and not South Japan Sea or South Vietnam sea or South etc sea.

Anglo/US can stir the pot for the land grab but in the end it will be futile.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:34 | 5040111 smacker
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If you parachuted into the exact centre of the Persian Gulf and another guy parachuted into the exact centre of the Arabian Gulf, you'd both be swimming in the exact same spot.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:06 | 5042608 Ginsengbull
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That would violate a law of physics.

 

Two objects cannot occupy the same spot at the same time.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 02:42 | 5042758 smacker
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Yes and No.

Whoever landed in the water first would be pushed under by the other one when he hit the water.

Presto(!) Two people sharing the same spot, albeit momentarily.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:27 | 5040895 bid the soldier...
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"why its called the South China Sea"

I'll bet it has to do with old, white cartographers living in Europe and America.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:29 | 5040089 falak pema
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Just a reminder of pecking order of proven gas reserves today :

1° Russia 1600 trillion cu ft 47 trillion cu M

2° Iran  1050 trillion cu ft

3° Qatar 900 trillion cu ft

Now compare with this figure which is not proven but estimated :

South China sea : 195 trillion cu ft. 

About 12% that of Russia. 

As for oil reserves : 10 billion barrels  compared to Russia : 60 to 100 billion barrels depending on whom you ask. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 10:50 | 5040147 starman
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Me thinks when that time comes someone will  just nuke China back to the stone ages. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:17 | 5040640 rogerramjet
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Sterman,

And they will nuke us back you fuck'in idiot.  I hope your the first that becomes a shadow on the wall!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:14 | 5040621 rogerramjet
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Interesting!  China and Taiwan want it all.  Just like most Americans!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:11 | 5040831 Lmo Mutton
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Yea well I didn't see my claim outlined on that chart.

China et al betta back the fuck up.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:38 | 5040933 bid the soldier...
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This is why they invented WAR, you clowns.

"Come you back, you British dildo, come you back to Mandalay! "
Come you back to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay:
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin'-fishes play,
An' the dawn comes up like Viagra uter China 'crost the Bay!"

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