Tennessee Doctor In Self-Quarantine On Return From Liberia Ebola Hotspot

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A Tennessee doctor, working at the same Liberian clinic as Dr. Kent Brantly - the Ebola-infected American who was flown to Atlanta yesterday for treatment - has placed himself in quarantine as a "precaution for [his] family." As ABC reports, Alan Jamison, a retired pediatrician, returned home to Morristown, Tenn., after he was evacuated from Liberia by the aid group he was volunteering for, says he's "feeling well" and showing no sign of symptoms; and claims since landing in the US, he said he's had no physical contact with anyone. As Mark St.Cyr notes, the Ebola virus which has been separated from the U.S. populace by the fortune of geological positioning has not only arrived on our doorstep, but was flown in deliberately on its own personal G5. Many are asking questions of; why? But perhaps the more crucial question is 'what if?' The what if question was this: "What if they need to bring them back because they had no choice? What if the reason they need to get them into better facilities is for the worst of all reasons? i.e., It’s already here."

 

As ABC reports,

A Tennessee doctor who placed himself in quarantine after volunteering in West Africa, where the Ebola virus is rampant, says he's "feeling well" and showing no sign of symptoms.

 

Alan Jamison, a retired pediatrician, returned home to Morristown, Tenn., after he was evacuated from Liberia by the aid group he was volunteering for -- working at the same hospital as Dr. Kent Brantly, an American now fighting the deadly virus.

 

"I feel very comfortable and I'm looking forward to being able to be with my family again," Jamison told ABC News via Skype.

 

Since landing in the U.S., he said he's had no physical contact with anyone and has only been near his daughter, who picked him up from the airport. Jamison said he plans to hole up at home until the 21-day incubation period is completed.

 

"I'm out of the major risk period right [now]," he said. "The isolation that I'm going through right now is in excess of what the CDC suggested for the precaution for my family."

 

...

 

Jamison isn't sure how Brantly, who is in isolation and expected to arrive in the U.S. next week, became infected with Ebola.

 

"He was very cognizant and careful with the hygiene precautions that he used," Jamison said. "I'm not sure how it occurred that he was exposed."

After this, perhaps Mark St.Cry's perspective on "What If?" with regard Ebola is more prescient that he imagined...

Often times we get caught up in the asking of why rather than asking what if. It sounds like such a subtle distinction and for some it’s an exercise not worth pursuing. However, it is sometimes this very innocuous line of questioning that is the only thing that gets at the root of many issues facing not only business in general, but sometimes rooting out the answers one doesn’t want to actually face – never mind deal with.

 

Personally I made many of my marks in business by being the person who more often than not had to pick up the pieces or control their trajectory as to where they may land ahead of time during my tenure in the business world. Today the professional moniker is “an expert in Crisis Management.”

 

Expert is not for vanity’s sake. If I had done it once that could be racked up to chance, twice could be coincidence, but three times and more and you’ve distinguished yourself with a track record.

 

Although I have always been somewhat of a contrarian, it was when a friend of mine years earlier asked me a rhetorical question during a crisis taking place where we lived that shaped much of my reasoning and understandings for years to come.

 

Earlier that day the city where we grew up experienced a power outage causing a city-wide black out that was still not resolved as we were talking later that afternoon.

 

The outage occurred during the mid morning. It wasn’t as if the streets or neighborhoods were cloaked in darkness. Yet, in less than 30 to 45 minutes after the outage started looters began smashing windows downtown and stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down.

 

It didn’t start with just one, it was a mob from all accounts that started the spree.

 

As we were discussing the reasons for “why” and more he made a statement that sticks with me to this day: “You keep asking why would they do this so quickly. The question you need to answer is, what if this is what they were waiting for?” That subtle change in questioning changes everything both in how you address the “why” and more.

 

Again it changes the thought process in how one looks as to deal with situations in their heads while opening up lines of questioning that help one zero in and fix a true underlying issue; rather than addressing or wasting time arguing moot points. i.e., If you only think about why someone is looting in general terms you rationalize the intent (boredom, mob behavior, frustration, etc.) far different from what if the intent was as soon as opportunity showed itself – that was what was to be done.

 

His reasoning was it happened far too quick. He said, “People just don’t lose the power and begin smashing windows 30 minutes later unless that’s exactly what you were waiting for.

 

Whether he was right or wrong didn’t matter. His line of thinking in objective analysis was spot on and I never forgot it. Plus it has served me well these decades later throughout my professional life.

 

So what does all this have to do about the issues today?

 

Well, it has a lot to do with what has just transpired in Atlanta in the willful experiment in both transporting as well as containing one of the world’s worst known viruses to the United States.

 

I use the words “experiment” as well as “willful” deliberately for this has never been done here before.

 

As of right now the Ebola virus which has been separated from the U.S. populace by the fortune of geological positioning has not only arrived on our doorstep, but was flown in deliberately on its own personal G5. Many are asking questions of; why?

 

I was speaking with a friend where I pondered a “what if” rhetorical rebuttal to their questioning of “why” and they nearly froze. As I said before: Changing why to what if many times opens up far more doors than one first believed even available.

 

The what if question was this: “What if they need to bring them back because they had no choice? What if the reason they need to get them into better facilities is for the worst of all reasons? i.e., It’s already here.”

 

Of course this is absolutely nothing more than a thought experiment. I’m not trying to be an alarmist banging pots and pans out in the streets with a sign around my neck claiming “The End Is Near!” Nor, do I have, know, or pretend to know what we should or should not be doing. I’m just asking a question because the answers are far too important and meaningful to not only business, but for much, much, more.

 

Here’s why one really needs to think (and that means clearly and rationally) for there are just too many other things happening that no one wants to even consider, let alone ponder “what ifs.”

 

Here’s what we know as of today. Not speculation, not hyperbole, not innuendo, but fact.

 

First: We know as of today we have an out of control southern border crisis where tens of thousands of both children and more are crossing in droves. Many have confirmed cases of infections diseases such as tuberculosis and others that have been all but eradicated in the U.S. currently.

 

What we also know is: we don’t know who or all the identities of those that crossed are. We know the bulk, but what about god forbid just one terrorist mixed within carrying the deadly Ebola virus. What if that were to be true?

 

Second: We know that there were infected people with this deadly virus detained and isolated after being seen visually suffering from the virus at: an airport. Albeit in the country of origin, but as I said earlier the question to ask is “what if” one made it past?

 

Third: This could have far more impact to western civilization and its society than any conventional means of warfare could ever have. And the people wanting to inflict harm are more than willing to use any and all means to bring about that end. No matter how hard one tries to equate or affix the immorality as to why one wouldn’t or shouldn’t.

 

I’ve talked, debated, and down right argued with people many times over the years where they begin to get up in arms as to defend positions through the “why” frame of reference. Well, “why would people to do this?” or “Why would one do that when …..?” (you can fill in the blank.)

 

What has over turned their soap box over whether it be about business, or just plain discussions on life more often than not is when I posit the “what if.” e.g., What if it doesn’t work? What if that doesn’t happen? What if there’s another reason? What if what you think to be true is in actuality wrong? This is when and where the questioning, reasoning, breakthroughs and more have happened. I believe you get what I’m trying to convey.

 

Don’t take any of this as a slam of the poor victims we just brought back. I have great compassion as well as admiration for these doctors and others that have the courage of their convictions to walk head first into a truly horrific condition as to try not only heal, but to help foster ways as to prevent.

 

These people are doing work where statutes should be erected at every public square in their honor. I understand and can easily rationalize all of the “whys” these people would embark on such truly humanitarian work.

 

What I currently fear is that once again I’m near alone where no one seems to even be thinking, let alone contemplating the obvious…

 

What If?

Finally, if you were wondering just how Ebola outbreaks spread so quickly, SCMP has created the ultimate history of how one of the deadliest viruses on earth, with a 90% mortality rate, is spreading faster than efforts to control it.

 

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Source: South China Morning Post

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Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:17 | 5040410 Spastica Rex
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Confidence is everything.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:26 | 5040433 ATM
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It's just great that they bring these guys a hemisphere away because we all know that viruses never mutate and change their method of tranmission. I mean who has ever heard of a hard to tranmit virus suddenly learning to jump via airborne tranmission and becoming a pandemic?

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:33 | 5040461 kliguy38
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relax and get back to your GMO....they would never do anything to harm the sheeple

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:41 | 5040495 TeamDepends
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Now we know why The Walking Dead takes place in the South.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:57 | 5040549 Liberal
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Absolutely crazy talk! Do we honestly think for a millisecond that those in charge ie our beloved government would use something like this to cause panic and to cover up something greater and blame everything on this virus? When has our beloved government ever done such a thing??? Y'all need to stop and start reading the Huffington Post!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:07 | 5040600 Son of Loki
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I'm tired of all this Hate talk about the little fellow. I'm going to report ZH to the "Ebola Anti-Dafamation League" if it doen't stop.

 

Ebolas have feeling too ....

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:12 | 5040614 Liberal
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People are just being racists as usual. We really need to outlaw racist and hateful thoughts.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:22 | 5040665 TeamDepends
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"I feel very comfortable..." Well, that makes one of you.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:37 | 5040715 InjectTheVenom
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"don't worry, the subprime crisis is contained" 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:52 | 5040774 Oh regional Indian
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Fear mongering or real, the plot and intent are old and the opinion (like Gate's shocking video on depopulation) are big signals...

Georgia guidestones....etc...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/quotable-quotes-e-bola-di-ebo...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:55 | 5040791 Truthseeker2
Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:49 | 5040966 caustixoid
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That's just whacked!  Beta-lactam antibiotics are why people in west africa are bleeding out their orifices?  Because of penicillin and amoxicillin???   

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 14:57 | 5040989 COSMOS
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Did the other 200 some odd people that flew on the same plane as him with recirculated air, and the same stewardesses handling his and their drinks SELF-Quarantine also??????????????????

Listen you little Turd MDs, there is no cure for this thing so you just going to that country to watch the dude die on you and cough and spit all over you isn't helping contain the disease when your lilly white ass comes a runing back to the USA.  You little Biatches.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:11 | 5041272 Tall Tom
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A person who has been infected with Ebola does not become a threat to others until...

 

AFTER HE BECOMES SYMPTOMATIC.

 

Before that he is safe to be around.

 

He just does not know that he is a WALKING TIME BOMB.

 

He is not infectious until the symptoms appear.

 

He may be infected but is NOT INFECTIOUS.

 

Thus everybody on that particular airplane WAS NOT AT RISK.

 

It would help you considerably to KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THAT YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT...BEFORE WRITING.

 

READING HELPS.

 

Now I WILL AGREE that is is the epitome of STUPIDITY to fly infectious and proven cases into the USA.  In fact I am also INCLINED TO AGREE that if there is a HIGH CHANCE OF EXPOSURE that one should not be allowed to fly into the USA.

 

But your EVIDENCE, since it is FALSE, does not tend to SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT.

 

But false premises sometimes will allow a true conclusion...ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE LITTLE TO DO WITH THE PROPOSITION CONSIDERED.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:36 | 5041350 kaiserhoff
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You can't possibly know that.  No one does.  See Miffed's comments below.

There are several strains probably leading to the same outcome.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:01 | 5041394 Tall Tom
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I have read what Miffed wrote...

 

As a scientist I am more interested in OBSERVATIONAL DATA rather than that of SPECULATION. That is called EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

 

You can speculate all that you want. Miffed knows the Empirical evidence.

 

She wrote in her response to you, "But I am just musing at this point. We just don't have enough hard facts on this virus."

 

That means speculation.

 

You might want to ask her what percentage of mutations are destructive to this "organism" (It is actually more crystalline rather than a Life Form) She will tell you that 99% of mutations are destructive to the organism.

 

As a scientist Miffed is bound by the very same rules.

 

You read this and then get back with me...Note the statement which I bolded.

 

Note the phrase...LATE STAGES.

 

I do know this one hell of a lot better than you think.

 

MODE OF TRANSMISSION: In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal (15). Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death (1, 2, 15, 27). Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids (1, 2). Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets (2, 6, 28). In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated (1, 6, 13). The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus (6).

 

 http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:01 | 5041428 disabledvet
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So if we have an actual outbreak in Tennessee will that confirm your data set?

And more importantly "will you go down there to investigate" as THAT IS UNPOSSIBLE!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:23 | 5041493 Manthong
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Well, it’s pretty obvious what needs to be done now..

Declare Condition Orange and make sure you have a scissors and a supply of duct tape and rolls of plastic for the windows.

The scissors does double duty as that is what you are supposed to use to protect your family.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:34 | 5041520 knukles
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If a vaccine can be made, it can be weaponized.  Period.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/31/us-usa-ebola-vaccine-idUSKBN0G...

Just like if a rocket can launch a satellite or space station, it can launch nukes anywhere.  Period

http://news.yahoo.com/china-confirms-generation-long-range-missiles-repo...

 

Bringing the sick back here is simply another attempt at implementing Cloward-Piven. 
Overburden society to collapse

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:49 | 5041560 Tall Tom
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I have read that somewhere before.

 

In fact, in SATIRE, I speculated that the US Government would blame the Central African Ebola Outbreak to be caused by Putin the other day.

 

I am aware that it can be manufactured into a devastating Bioweapon.

 

But the USA will not do that...Nahhhhh. They are just so benevolent.

 

(Cough, gag, puke, shit my pants, don't throw me into a Fema Camp thinking that I have Ebola because I am sickened by my Government)

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:35 | 5041697 Keyser
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The time for speculation on incubation periods and public exposure is over...  A woman dropped dead today exiting a flight in the UK from Sierra Leone after demonstrating symptoms on the flight... It's out... 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-coll...

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:05 | 5041789 knukles
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Oh boy...
Time to close the monkey meat counters, gay chimp prostitutes and sperm banks.

WTF is going on?
Something like this should demand a months or so quarantine with nobody in or out, FFS.
Shit's deadly.

And we already know from the Reston experience (weaponization, BTW) that the stuff spreads like wildfire.
Somebodies are fucking crazy.

There is no rhyme or reason to allow people to leave the infected areas.

 

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:38 | 5042129 Keyser
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There is no rhyme or reason to allow people to leave the infected areas.

Sure there is, if your agenda is de-population... 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:39 | 5042866 Kirk2NCC1701
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When are we gonna get our Congress do a "Self Quarantine" and be unavailable and unproductive?

Oh wait...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:17 | 5041840 Tall Tom
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As I wrote at the very start of this...

when the first article appeared on ZH...

CLOSE THE FUCKING AIRPORTS AND SEAL THE BORDERS.

 

Just great fucking news. It just gets better...

 

We need to nuke them. I am not too concerned...China will.

 

The first case that appears on Chinese soil will be the decisive case.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:20 | 5042010 HardlyZero
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Agree it is as bad as it gets.

Ebola terror at Gatwick as passenger collapses and dies getting off Sierra Leone flight

Patient was sweating and vomiting.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-coll...

 

and it is even worse,  she died at the hospital Saturday and so was 'cared' by many (but with quarantine or isolation ??) on the way from the late Friday (early Saturday?) flight until Saturday morning.

How many doctors, hospital workers, plane passengers, workers, etc....were exposed ?  There was also a stopoff in Africa on the way.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 06:28 | 5042903 StandardDeviant
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The Mirror is hardly what you'd call a credible news source.  It's one of the UK's famous "red-top" tabloids, which compete for readers by seeing who can run the most lurid and alarming headline, followed by rampant speculation about worst-case outcomes.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:38 | 5042127 Tall Tom
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And...She tested NEGATIVE. She did NOT HAVE THE DISEASE. The article you referenced STATED THAT FACT.

 

But maybe this is the reason for the scare...

 

(Reuters) - The U.S. government will begin testing on people an experimental Ebola vaccine as early as September, after seeing positive results from tests on primates, according to media reports on Thursday. 

The National Institutes of Health's infectious disease unit is working with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to put the vaccine into trial as quickly as possible, according to CNN and USA Today. The director of that unit could not be reached for comment.

 

Qui bono? What Pharmaceutical Corporation is pushing this scare?

 

Is there is a possibility that this type of sensationalistic journalism is published, maybe, in order to frighten you? I am not writing that it is.

 

But it fits in with the Problem/Reaction/Solution paradigm of the Hegelian Dialectic.

 

Is it possible? I am not declaring any different. 

 

But is it possible that you are being manipulated?

 

In fact if a vaccine is offered I will NOT be taking it.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:07 | 5042486 HardlyZero
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I am not sure how many times the Mirror updated their article since first printing...but all I see in the article now about cause of death is....

"The passenger was taken to hospital and sadly died.

“In line with standard ­procedures, tests are being undertaken to determine the cause of death.

“The patient’s symptoms suggest that Ebola is very unlikely but as a precaution this is one of the tests being undertaken."

 

Then at 11PM London time...the Mirror article was updated....

At around 11pm on Sunday, the Department of Health said that tests for the deadly Ebola virus on the woman who died at Gatwick had proved negative.

yes, it could have been a heart attack.  Let us find out.  or something else.

 

We have to report 'news' as it occurs.  Since we are adults we all know the difference between, news, science, journals, scholarly research, medical findings, etc.

 

The news sometimes leads.  I'm OK with leading news.  That is what ZH does.  ZH is very timely, before news or CNBC judges it fit for internet blogging.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 07:05 | 5042931 Miggy
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John 3:16

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:44 | 5041549 Tall Tom
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No but I will send you as you cannot read.

 

I am against this Doctor being allowed to fly into the USA.

 

But not for the reason that COSMOS laid out.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:42 | 5041728 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear TSA,  I plan to be flying in the near future.  Can I wear one of these, after I clear Security?

http://approvedgasmasks.com/premium-k1-kit.htm

I'm being kinda cheeky, but also kinda serious.  Please have one of your DHS Trolls respond.  Thanks.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:12 | 5041819 Tall Tom
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LOL.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:34 | 5042118 Skateboarder
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+1 to one of the funniest comments from ZH this year.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:56 | 5042684 TheReplacement
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How long do you think TSA workers will continue to show up for work after Ebola is diagnosed in the wild in the USA?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:47 | 5041393 Central Bankster
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It is not known with CERTAINTY that asymptomatic transmission cannot occur.  It is BELIEVED that it cannot occur, until proven wrong, you know, on a 200 person flight for example.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:56 | 5041411 Tall Tom
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It has BEEN OBSERVED.

 

You can speculate all that you want.

 

I will deal with Empirical Evidence.

 

My Science is better than your speculation and will prove out to be better.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:27 | 5041464 Central Bankster
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So with what level of certainty and confidence are you willing to gamble with the public's health, based upon observation that so far we are unaware of asymptomatic transmission?  please give me a number, in terms of the odds that this observation is wrong because of a sampling error.   Considering this please, enumerate the sampling risk, is it:  1:100 1:1,000?  1:10,000? .... 1:10,000,000 ....?   Since you are clearly more knowledgable about subject, this should be easy to answer and verify.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:41 | 5041534 Tall Tom
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If you read my post and response to COSMOS...

 

and read what I posted afterwards...

 

I do not believe it wise, at all, for Doctors with exposure to the virus to fly into the United States...at all.

 

The point that was being made to COSMOS is that a RATIONAL AVENUE of attack is much better than sheer, uninformed panic.

 

That only serves to make her sound like a paranoid nut.

 

Before posting one needs to READ FIRST and acquire the information.

 

Then one formulates a VALID CRITICISM as a response.

 

The airline passengers were not at risk as he was asymptomatic. That is from the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

 

He should not have been allowed reentry into the USA. But not for that irrational reason.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:57 | 5041582 Central Bankster
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Since you cannot give me a number, you cannot define whether or not this is an irrational fear, because it is an admission that you DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER and neither do I.  This means there IS A RISK and it also means you don't really have a mathematical grasp of what risk you define as irrational.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:46 | 5041555 kaiserhoff
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His thesis has already failed.  The personnel hack who got the disease was not, presumably, going out dancing every night with guys bleeding from every orifice.  She was working at what everyone, including herself, considered a safe distance from the action, but she caught the virus. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:02 | 5041595 Tall Tom
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I wrote that it is LATE STAGES when the disease is transmitted.

 

I have also written that it is probably AIRBORNE.

 

She most likely got it from Patients who were symptomatic, in late stages, through AIRBORNE Transmission. She did not get it from the Doctors.

 

(What is a "Safe Distance" anyway? !00 Meters?...One Kilometer?...Now personally I liked the fact that an Ocean separated us from it...but we do have a criminal government in power. I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT HE WAS ALLOWED ENTRY INTO THE USA. But I want to read RATIONALITY over that of unfounded HYSTERIA.)

 

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html

 

Stop being hysterical. Deal with the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

 

The Good Lord knows that I am reading everything about this so I can be well informed and approach this rationally.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:13 | 5041624 kaiserhoff
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How is it being hysterical to question dogmatic statements about relatively new deadly diseases?

Viruses are among the smallest of living organisms.  Why should any virus be limited in the ways in which they are transmitted.  I am not reassured by bureaucratic conjecture.

The empirical evidence, in any statisticly meaningful form, is not there yet.  Sadly, it soon will be.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:45 | 5041719 Tall Tom
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Viruses are not alive.

 

They are more like crystals rather than living organisms. They can only become active when they enter a living cell. There they interact with cellular DNA to become factories to  replicate copies of themselves. (Prions are worse.)

 

A virus does not limit itself. It cannot think or act volitionally. The method of transmission is the method of transmission. It is an observable phenomena.

 

Scientists, competent scientists like Miffed, observe and report what they have observed. They do not edit data for expedience. They do not create reports for Political Reasons...COMPETENT IS THE KEY WORD in that context.

 

Political spokespeople, on the otherhand, do promote a Political Agenda. Unfortunately there are many incompetent Scientists involved with the Government. We have trolls like FlakFRAU on this blog doing just that, promoting Agendas.

 

I am also quite skeptical of bureaucratic conjecture. Thus I will research and look at articles in respected Scientific Journals over that of believeing what I am told by the Main Stream Media. I will take the time and do this. I am not reassured by bureaucratic conjecture either.

 

But I will not deny the Empirical Evidence when it is presented by Scientific Journals.

 

I am sure that the Nature article which produced one data set which demonstrated an unknown method of transmission was a shock. This experiment was done with the Zaire strain.

 

But hysteria is fear based speculation on that which is unknown. I prefer to gather empirical evidence before rushing to judgment.

 

But the statistical evidence is already present in meaningful form. Scientists have not been sitting on their ass and doing nothing between outbreaks. The Journals are loaded with experimental data.

 

In no way am I repeating the CDC nonsense. I am just as aghast at the allowance of high risk individuals entry into the USA as you are..if not more. But when I read nonsense about asymptomatic candidates infecting a population on an airplane that just went to far out on the hysteria meter.

 

It is when people to not question and allow their fear over what may happen rather than to look at what is happening is when I will have a problem.

 

It is okay to question. Hell. That is how you learn. That is what I do. But this disease has been around for the past 38 years and has been studied in a far greater depth than you may realize. It is not "new" It may be new to you. But it is being studied continuously.

 

Demonstrate one post in this thread, that you made, where you asked me a question. Can you?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:33 | 5042447 conscious being
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TT its hard to tell whether or not you have a point when youcome across as a meth addicted dick-head. Just a friendly word of advice to you.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:03 | 5041415 goldflows
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Absolutely correct. I gave you +1.  The fact that thus far no one else has shows how uneducated they are.  

As of yet there is no evidence to show it is airborne.  Yes the doctors were infected and do not know exactly how.  That is not a reason to believe it is airborne.

If it were airborne these infection numbers would be way too low.

The strain has been tested and is known.  It is not a new strain. 

Stop the panic.

Africa is thridworld with a small amount of resources.  The US has top of line equipment.  If we hear in ~18 days that doctors in Atlanta have been infected then we need to reconsider.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:32 | 5041513 Tall Tom
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You may need to know that airborne transmission is probable.

 

Nature is a very well respected Scientific Journal...

 

I quote from the article...

 

In 2009, Reston-EBOV was the first EBOV detected in swine with indicated transmission to humans. In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact.

 

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html

 

If there was no direct contact then how did transmission happen?

 

I will agree that it was only one experimental result which demonstrated this. But it happened and we cannot discount the evidence for expediency.

 

This transmission was with the Zaire Strain.

 

I am not necessarily to a panic state as of yet. But it was imprudent to fly in the infected. Even with Modern Equipment the treatment is palliative at best. (Keep them hydrated...)

 

That can be done with Mobile Lab Units over in Africa.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:39 | 5041536 BlindMonkey
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There IS a reason that THIS strain has infected so many care givers. Do you know why that is? Can you say, for sure, that the 100+ infected care givers were not properly following prior protocol established as being safe?

You appear to be a linear thinker in a 3D world.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:13 | 5041629 Tall Tom
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Most likely it is airborne.

 

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html

 

Perhaps you need to look at the EVIDENCE rather than speculate. In that way your bitemporal hemianopia will be relieved so that you can see your 3-D World.

 

Transmission to other hosts happens in the late stages. But it is probably ALSO airborne at this point.

 

The protocols over there are faulty. They will prove out just as faulty in Atlanta if they refuse to look at the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

 

Just ss many whom post here refuse to look at Empirical Evidence I am just as certain that there will be a percentage of Doctors in Atlanta whom will refuse to look at the Empirical Evidence.

 

The Asymptomatic Doctor from Tennessee should not have been allowed entry.

 

The already symptomatic Doctors probably infected everyone on that airplane that transferred them over to Atlanta. They should not have been allowed entry. (Personally I think that they would be agahst at that as they are so out of it from fever that they have no clue that they have been transferred.)

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:09 | 5041804 knukles
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Let alone fly, walk through the airport, come into contact with multiple dozens of others.....

But then again, he is a "hero" for trying to help the infected ubermenchen, no?

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