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Tennessee Doctor In Self-Quarantine On Return From Liberia Ebola Hotspot
A Tennessee doctor, working at the same Liberian clinic as Dr. Kent Brantly - the Ebola-infected American who was flown to Atlanta yesterday for treatment - has placed himself in quarantine as a "precaution for [his] family." As ABC reports, Alan Jamison, a retired pediatrician, returned home to Morristown, Tenn., after he was evacuated from Liberia by the aid group he was volunteering for, says he's "feeling well" and showing no sign of symptoms; and claims since landing in the US, he said he's had no physical contact with anyone. As Mark St.Cyr notes, the Ebola virus which has been separated from the U.S. populace by the fortune of geological positioning has not only arrived on our doorstep, but was flown in deliberately on its own personal G5. Many are asking questions of; why? But perhaps the more crucial question is 'what if?' The what if question was this: "What if they need to bring them back because they had no choice? What if the reason they need to get them into better facilities is for the worst of all reasons? i.e., It’s already here."
A Tennessee doctor who placed himself in quarantine after volunteering in West Africa, where the Ebola virus is rampant, says he's "feeling well" and showing no sign of symptoms.
Alan Jamison, a retired pediatrician, returned home to Morristown, Tenn., after he was evacuated from Liberia by the aid group he was volunteering for -- working at the same hospital as Dr. Kent Brantly, an American now fighting the deadly virus.
"I feel very comfortable and I'm looking forward to being able to be with my family again," Jamison told ABC News via Skype.
Since landing in the U.S., he said he's had no physical contact with anyone and has only been near his daughter, who picked him up from the airport. Jamison said he plans to hole up at home until the 21-day incubation period is completed.
"I'm out of the major risk period right [now]," he said. "The isolation that I'm going through right now is in excess of what the CDC suggested for the precaution for my family."
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Jamison isn't sure how Brantly, who is in isolation and expected to arrive in the U.S. next week, became infected with Ebola.
"He was very cognizant and careful with the hygiene precautions that he used," Jamison said. "I'm not sure how it occurred that he was exposed."
After this, perhaps Mark St.Cry's perspective on "What If?" with regard Ebola is more prescient that he imagined...
Often times we get caught up in the asking of why rather than asking what if. It sounds like such a subtle distinction and for some it’s an exercise not worth pursuing. However, it is sometimes this very innocuous line of questioning that is the only thing that gets at the root of many issues facing not only business in general, but sometimes rooting out the answers one doesn’t want to actually face – never mind deal with.
Personally I made many of my marks in business by being the person who more often than not had to pick up the pieces or control their trajectory as to where they may land ahead of time during my tenure in the business world. Today the professional moniker is “an expert in Crisis Management.”
Expert is not for vanity’s sake. If I had done it once that could be racked up to chance, twice could be coincidence, but three times and more and you’ve distinguished yourself with a track record.
Although I have always been somewhat of a contrarian, it was when a friend of mine years earlier asked me a rhetorical question during a crisis taking place where we lived that shaped much of my reasoning and understandings for years to come.
Earlier that day the city where we grew up experienced a power outage causing a city-wide black out that was still not resolved as we were talking later that afternoon.
The outage occurred during the mid morning. It wasn’t as if the streets or neighborhoods were cloaked in darkness. Yet, in less than 30 to 45 minutes after the outage started looters began smashing windows downtown and stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down.
It didn’t start with just one, it was a mob from all accounts that started the spree.
As we were discussing the reasons for “why” and more he made a statement that sticks with me to this day: “You keep asking why would they do this so quickly. The question you need to answer is, what if this is what they were waiting for?” That subtle change in questioning changes everything both in how you address the “why” and more.
Again it changes the thought process in how one looks as to deal with situations in their heads while opening up lines of questioning that help one zero in and fix a true underlying issue; rather than addressing or wasting time arguing moot points. i.e., If you only think about why someone is looting in general terms you rationalize the intent (boredom, mob behavior, frustration, etc.) far different from what if the intent was as soon as opportunity showed itself – that was what was to be done.
His reasoning was it happened far too quick. He said, “People just don’t lose the power and begin smashing windows 30 minutes later unless that’s exactly what you were waiting for.
Whether he was right or wrong didn’t matter. His line of thinking in objective analysis was spot on and I never forgot it. Plus it has served me well these decades later throughout my professional life.
So what does all this have to do about the issues today?
Well, it has a lot to do with what has just transpired in Atlanta in the willful experiment in both transporting as well as containing one of the world’s worst known viruses to the United States.
I use the words “experiment” as well as “willful” deliberately for this has never been done here before.
As of right now the Ebola virus which has been separated from the U.S. populace by the fortune of geological positioning has not only arrived on our doorstep, but was flown in deliberately on its own personal G5. Many are asking questions of; why?
I was speaking with a friend where I pondered a “what if” rhetorical rebuttal to their questioning of “why” and they nearly froze. As I said before: Changing why to what if many times opens up far more doors than one first believed even available.
The what if question was this: “What if they need to bring them back because they had no choice? What if the reason they need to get them into better facilities is for the worst of all reasons? i.e., It’s already here.”
Of course this is absolutely nothing more than a thought experiment. I’m not trying to be an alarmist banging pots and pans out in the streets with a sign around my neck claiming “The End Is Near!” Nor, do I have, know, or pretend to know what we should or should not be doing. I’m just asking a question because the answers are far too important and meaningful to not only business, but for much, much, more.
Here’s why one really needs to think (and that means clearly and rationally) for there are just too many other things happening that no one wants to even consider, let alone ponder “what ifs.”
Here’s what we know as of today. Not speculation, not hyperbole, not innuendo, but fact.
First: We know as of today we have an out of control southern border crisis where tens of thousands of both children and more are crossing in droves. Many have confirmed cases of infections diseases such as tuberculosis and others that have been all but eradicated in the U.S. currently.
What we also know is: we don’t know who or all the identities of those that crossed are. We know the bulk, but what about god forbid just one terrorist mixed within carrying the deadly Ebola virus. What if that were to be true?
Second: We know that there were infected people with this deadly virus detained and isolated after being seen visually suffering from the virus at: an airport. Albeit in the country of origin, but as I said earlier the question to ask is “what if” one made it past?
Third: This could have far more impact to western civilization and its society than any conventional means of warfare could ever have. And the people wanting to inflict harm are more than willing to use any and all means to bring about that end. No matter how hard one tries to equate or affix the immorality as to why one wouldn’t or shouldn’t.
I’ve talked, debated, and down right argued with people many times over the years where they begin to get up in arms as to defend positions through the “why” frame of reference. Well, “why would people to do this?” or “Why would one do that when …..?” (you can fill in the blank.)
What has over turned their soap box over whether it be about business, or just plain discussions on life more often than not is when I posit the “what if.” e.g., What if it doesn’t work? What if that doesn’t happen? What if there’s another reason? What if what you think to be true is in actuality wrong? This is when and where the questioning, reasoning, breakthroughs and more have happened. I believe you get what I’m trying to convey.
Don’t take any of this as a slam of the poor victims we just brought back. I have great compassion as well as admiration for these doctors and others that have the courage of their convictions to walk head first into a truly horrific condition as to try not only heal, but to help foster ways as to prevent.
These people are doing work where statutes should be erected at every public square in their honor. I understand and can easily rationalize all of the “whys” these people would embark on such truly humanitarian work.
What I currently fear is that once again I’m near alone where no one seems to even be thinking, let alone contemplating the obvious…
What If?
Finally, if you were wondering just how Ebola outbreaks spread so quickly, SCMP has created the ultimate history of how one of the deadliest viruses on earth, with a 90% mortality rate, is spreading faster than efforts to control it.
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Source: South China Morning Post
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Yup, and deer and wild pigs too, brilliant.
Just imagine all the people flying in who don't realize they already have it.
"Nearly 50 African heads of state and government will gather this week for an unprecedented meeting in Washington [D.C.]."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/african-leaders-to-convene-in-dc-for-summit-focused-on-economic-potential/2014/08/01/b64ed4d8-1813-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html
Damn, and ticks on the deer ... then on you or yours. Get you with Lyme, or a likely fatal dose of Ebola.
Who would have thought the Ft. Detrick could craft a insect weapon with a fire selector switch?
From the article:
"And we think that we can create U.S. jobs and send U.S. exports to Africa."
Yes, that's certainly correct. Because we all know that people who live on less than a dollar a day will gladly pay for products made by U.S. union labor.
I think he means mining and drilling equipment for the Chinese companies that are going to be extracting resources there, not consumers.
Remember the killer bees started out in Brazil under control until a cleaning woman accidentally opened their cage. In hindsight I read that the scientists realized they should have done their work in Africa. Ooops!
Weren't the killer bees supposed to have taken over the US by now?
Or was that swine flu ? Or bird flu ? Or the new Ice Age ? Or HIV/AIDS ?
Or Muzzie terryists? Or the Russkies ? Or . . . . .
This crap is so obvious & easy. You can see why propagandist master Edward Bernays thought little of the common person; he thought them too easy to manipulate.
A few months ago some asshole dumped a junk car on our Mesa ( joys of living in the country) none of us had gotten around to hauling it off. I had noticed bees had taken up residence making it even more of a challenge. A few weeks ago a woman walking her dog by it was attacked. She was stung over 100times and was hospitalized. Her small dog was killed.
Compared to Ebola, killer bees are certainly not as lethal or feared. But this is a good reminder what can happen when the hubris of humanity is challenged by nature. Why do we never learn?
Miffed;-)
Miffed, is there any useful data on rates on mutation for this kind of virus or the number of strains so far? Winston mentioned a 3% chance per transmission, but I have no idea where that came from.
Kaiserhoff, this may be true but I'm not sure where this is cited.
Minor virus variants have been shown cocirculate during an outbreak. These results suggest that the different clinical outcomes of Ebola infection do not result from virus mutations.
RNA viruses mutate faster than other DNA viruses because the enzyme RNA dependent RNA polymerase that synthesizes RNA does not have the activity of proof reading while DNA polymerase has this activity. Because of this absence of "proof reading", wrong bases are inserted without correction and hence mutation is faster.
Because Ebola is an RNA virus, it inherently will have a high rate of mutation. However, this does not necessarily mean it will change clinical outcome. Yes, it could be better or worse. It will tend to increase its environmental survivability IMHO. But I am just musing at this point. We just don't have enough hard facts on this virus. Hope this helps.
Miffed;-)
Thanks, it helps to understand what we don't know, and can't know yet.
Best of luck to you and your colleagues. Looks like you will need it.
Well, when it kills 60% of people, and ITS goal as a virus is to self-replicate (i.e. Ebola's goal is TO NOT GO EXTINCT, that is it, period) it is statistically probably any mutation would make it less deadly! More infectious, possibly.
I was reading about VHF and a Chinese study that treated it with selenium. They said the VHF needed selenium from cells to reproduce. If a person had low levels of selenium then Ebola-infected cells would die, and but wait. It would first speed up its reproduction process, knowing the cell is going to die any way! Basically, selenium is more important to your immune respone, than it is to Ebola/VHF.
Plenty of truth there, if Plague and syphilis are good models. One celled critters don't have "goals". As different strains arise, those who kill fewer hosts or kill them more slowly will out compete the deadliest strains. Simple natural selection.
The downside is that more people will be infected, and the disease can recur every few years with slightly different, but equally deadly forms. The best evidence comes from the plague in Elizabethan England.
Keep in mind that ebola can be carried by multiple species, so it could become deadlier to humans while being dormant in bats, deer and pigs, for example.
Ya just know they're gonna make a movie outta this:
Attack of the Killer Possums!
They'll have to spell it wrong since Americans can't spell opposum & might get confused.
Dr. Margaret Chan of WHO claims it seems to be spreading in ways never seen before. Hmmm, maybe through the air?
Contrails now smell like shit?
Whoa, this is key.
In order for Ebola to find a foot hold in this country would be for it to find a viable animal reservoir. To lay dormant and reinfect when conditions are right. People point out the success of small pox eradication. Remember there was no insect vector nor animal reservoir. You simply had to isolate every case and let it burn out. Ebola is more effective by having a place to hide when the environment is not conducive to spread. Who knows if I can do this in any animal in USA? Just this fact alone means containment should have been never violated. Too many unknowns to risk it.
I am just a simple microbiologist. I don't have a PhD. I do not have a genius IQ. But what they are doing is WRONG. At this point, I am praying for dumb ass luck to save us. Kind of like Homer Simpson pushing a random button to save Springfield from the core meltdown.
Miffed;-)
Agree with you Miffed - too many risks. Potentially risking 200+ million lives for two people?
Bats appear to be a likely reservoir species; no shortage of bats in the Southern U.S.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease
Did not read your reply but I concur with your assessment.
Ebola is too much like Rabies. Before the Rabies Vaccine there were outbreaks of Rabies in this Nation that killed many.
After the vaccine was developed the outbreaks diminished.
It will be likewise for Ebola.
We will have to innoculate the Pets and treat Humans with vaccines upon the chance of infection.
All is not lost...yet.
Ebola can be dealt with using Homeopathy, I am on the road and will post the needed remedies when I get to my pc with as much details as possible in an hour or so......
NemoNe
Selenium.
If that doesn't work, try Krokodil, Bath Salts and Sterno.
Ebola can be dealt with using Homeopathy
It MAY SEEM TO WORK depending on how healthy you are, but other than that, no.
Never underestimate the power of a placebo.
Ever.
Miffed...Bats will prove out to be the perfect reservoir in the USA. Friuit Bats in Africa have proven to be the reservoir in that locale.
I am inclined to think that Ebola is extremely similar to Rabies in this regard. Both are fatal.
There is a vaccine for Rabies. I am also inclined to believe that this type of therapy, with development of an Ebola Vaccine, will be effective for the treatment of Ebola.
Of course that needs to be fast tracked.
Rabies outbreaks are now rare. But the symptomology is somewhat similar. There is an extended gestation period...Once symptoms become apparent it is far too late.
Perhaps it will be similar for Ebola outbreaks in the future.
There is still hope, Miffed. (And you ARE very bright.)
The absolute key to your hypothesis is the ability to produce neutralizing antibody to key epitopes of Ebola. I am assuming there are more than one. I have read of passive immunity attempts that have failed which makes me feel this is the probable scenario. If I am right, not one vaccine would be universally effective. Also the quality of immune response would be important. There may be some protective attributes of the rabies vaccine. This has been seen in animals but it's a big jump to extrapolate this in humans. Anything that reduces the virulence or course of infection would be a plus.
Read about the Milwaukee protocol developed from the only patient who survived non vaccinated rabies ( 100% fatality )Jeanna Giese. She has neurological problems but is very functional. Very inspiring story. Certainly anything positive is a good thing in these times.
Keep your head and don't lose faith Tom. Many things are in play. I'm trying to be as wise as a serpent,gentle as a dove and live every day as if it were my last.
Miffed;-)
Love you too, Miffed. You did not help Kaiserhoff with your "musings"
He misunderstood.
If you get this post scroll above and see what I wrote. Thanks.
We will prevail.
List of bat species in Georgia:
http://www.batcon.org/index.php/all-about-bats/species-profiles.html?country=43&state=15&family=all&limitstart=0&sort=
No fruit bats that I could see, but the Jamaican Fruit Bat is in Southern Florida.
I considered this when I was "what - iffing" the use of the infection as a suicide weapon. The research studies on pigs transmitting Ebola found that the infection was heavier in the lungs and upper respiratory tract, facilitating spread by coughing droplets. The pigs also recovered from the minor (for them) effects of the disease. I don't know if they would be a long-term reservoir, but if so think of the economic damage to the pork industry. Also infecting the feral hog population might spread the disease across much of the southern parts of the country. I have no idea if raccoons are susceptible, but they are nasty, viscious little critters that already carry rabies and leptospirosis. They are everywhere here on the ISU campus and in Ames, using the storm sewers as shelters / subways. Put out some tainted dog food overnight and they will find it.
Incidentally, I've noticed that it is that time of year when the new students are showing up from across the world.
I really wonder if the "adults in charge" of this country have really thought through all the details.
>>In order for Ebola to find a foot hold in this country would be for it to find a viable animal reservoir.
In that case you might want to start examining the potential bat species in the Atlanta area.
Family Molossidae (Most African bats)
Eumops floridanus (Florida Bonneted Bat)
Eumops underwoodi - Underwood's bonneted bat - SW USA
Eumops perotis - greater mastiff bat - SW bat
Miffed - if you don't mind my asking - are you an undergrad or grad student in Microbiology ? ( A family friend is pursuing his PhD in the field.)
I only have my BS in microbiology. Because I primarily work in molecular diagnostics now than clinical bench work I've had to take addition classes in PCR and other molecular methods. Unfortunately my career had to take a back seat to my marriage and family or I would have at least pursued my masters. I must have 12 hours of approved study a year to maintain my license which is valid because this field has changed radically. I have been fortunate to have worked with some heavies in the field at Salk Institute who gave me some great experience in research.
A PhD in Micro today would be a good choice. Some emphasis in Public Health would be helpful as well. I say this with a mix of emotions including a sadness with what the world has become.
Miffed;-)
Thanks Miffed - I'm sure many of us are pleased that someone is candid about their qualifications - especially on the internet !
@Miffed - if you haven't read it yet, check out
"The Molecular Vision of Life: Caltech, the Rockefeller Foundation, and the Rise of the New Biology". By Lily E. Kay
Very interesting account of how certain interests (with eugenics leanings) impacted the field of microbiology and also medicine.
@Whoa Dammit: "Many rats, raccoons and possums live in the sewer and storm water run off pipes here in Atlanta. What could go wrong?"
Killer Rabbits?
LOL
I suspect purposeful sabotage of the facility. Lots and lots of infected waste material spread on door knobs. CDC can tell by who is infected and where they were infected. Similar to people with Aids purposefully infecting others.
Didn't Didn't Dr. Kent Brantly look a little too healthy getting out of that ambulance?
I thought he was dying from Ebola....
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-28625309
What a wonderful way to start a Sunday!
Not too late to attend mass, just don't forget the latex gloves and respirator.
Don't forget the TSA checkpoint at church doorstep.
I am a firm believer in separation of church and state, the TSA should leave genital fondling to the clergy.
He said firm...
I'm betting that once Doc Brantley gets out of the hospital, Franklin Graham (Samaritan's Purse) makes him a headliner for their evangelical fleecing of the flock tours.
I can see tent revivals making a comeback.
yes but in a new form - oxygen tent revivals
[sound of respirator]
Dat's respirayciss.
[sound of respirator]
Say, did you get those snakes from the Egyptian or second-hand off Taffy?
[sound of respirator]
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is all that noise?
[sound of respirator]
And why can't my universal translator make out what they are going on about?
[sound of hand against helmet]
Jesus.
[chorus of Amen, Hallelujah and Praise Be!]
[sound of rolling eyes]
[sound of respirator]
[to self] Reminds me of a joke I heard in Mos Eisley - the punch line was "never yell 'Admiral you Akbar' at a tent revival" or something like that. I still don't get it.
[sound of respirator]
You guys do wafers and wine?
[sound of respirator]
Now dat's Knukies type fucked up....
My salutations and praise upon your predecessor's genetic makeup.
TSA/gov cares so much about security. That's why the borders are so well protected. /s
Hey, at least I live near Canada and those porous border will come in handy when it's time to bug out.
is that a vial of ebola
in your pocket
or are you just glad to see me...
[sound of respirator]
And duct tape.
[sound of respirator]
Did I mention "lack of faith" and "disturbing"?
[sound of respirator]
Do they take Imperial Credits in the collection plate?
[sound of respirator]
The Ebola virus could not have come a better time because we now have the miracle cure, OBAMACARE! Yes, with Barack, Michelle and Iranian agent Valerie Jarrett leading the way to a new medical horizon, there is no way anything can go wrong. Forget that Obama is now going on a month long vacation to Martha's Vineyard, better than an isolation ward. Remember, America has the best medical system in the world as long as you don't get sick. Ebola is just one more superbug drug companies cannot provide drugs to treat, as these companies forsake microbe hunting for inversion hunting. But all is well, NBC's Dr. Nancy Snyderman said so, as she packed her bags for a sudden month long trip to McMurdo ice station in Antarctica.
is ebola
covered by obama care
The reference to porous borders and illegal aliens is actually important for another reason, we lack the ability to track undocumented persons. If you look at how Singapore responded to the SARs outbreak, they had the ability to track everyone since they are a police state. They hauled certain people into quarantine and forced others with certain risk profiles to stay in their homes, webcams were deployed and neighbors were told to report them if they went out. Singaporeans are aurtomatons and all too happy to follow orders. The end result was they were able to contain it.
Good luck doing anything like that in the US. Some genius is saying we can do it much better than the Africans can. Who gives a fuck. The salient question is can you do it as well as the Singaporeans did?
I think not.
Great job, as usual. Keep up the good work.
Just a little side note; the image attached to this article is a low resolution version, which makes is illegible. The source web page has a better one, much higher resolution, which is also downloadable.
Pssst - voter rolls...
Yep. Especially in Chicago where they'll contain those hundreds of thousands of already dead voters.
"Some genius is saying we can do it much better than the Africans can."
1. He is not a genius.
2. He too is from Africa; He just lives in Vichy D.C.
What if Ebola or some 'scary disease' could be manipulated by govt, NSA yadd, yadda so that there was a 'scare' so that the American peple cry out for better, more efficient procedures: a system would be as 'tight' as the Singaporean system? So the govt. has to know where everybody is at all times, a computer chip in the skin might work real good so that the system can quarantine 'haul certain people' away so to conatin disease.
A method that could be implemented to execute a PTB scheme to contain and imprison the public.
No thank you.
I'm alot less worried about dying from a exotic disease (1) than I am about the govt. procuring a better hold on me, or the populace for that matter.
1. The common flue kills about 300,000 American a year-820 a day! One has a much, much better chance dying of influenza.
Funny you mention influenza - Ebola is basically a summer filler until the season 10 of the long-running hit "Killer Flu". GET YOUR SHOT BEFORE YOU DIE!
Influenza is quoted by public health to kill about 40,000 Americans. The number is made up. Only 4000 are what a reasonable person would consider a flu death: healthy person gets sick, is hospitalized, tests positive and dies. The number hospitalized who recover is ten times more.
Where does the 40000 number come from? Computer modelling is used to claim that huge numbers of frail elderly are killed by flu - basically assigning 25% of winter nursing home deaths to influenza - no testing.
Thankfully the modelling can be tweaked, so whenever the public gets blase and flu shot sales flag, they can easily increase the death toll.
Eventually the CDC will claim hundreds of thousands dead each year from flu -- you're just ahead of your time.
the flu hype is fake -- sars, and the rest of it.
It gets better: The renewal of Green Card (good for 10+ years) now takes 6-9 months to renew.
The appointment for new Biometrics takes a few weeks, but those DHS, FBI and NSA computers just don't have that much bandwidth to process the results, you know. Must be all that banking & purchasing, surfing and blogging analysis that slows them down. When not apprehending illegals.
"Confidence is everything."
100% WRONG.
How you FEEL has nothing to do with outcomes.
Everything from 'I'm confident that my children would never take out the gun and play with it.' to 'I'm confident that everyone who votes will accept the outcome of the election.' to 'I'm confident that this guy I just met in a bar won't get me pregnant if he pulls out when he ejaculates.' to 'I'm confident that our models predict with certainty that losses will be contained to sub-prime.' to...
Exception: I'm pretty confident that Confidence Men are charlatans and those who have '100% confidence' in anything are complete fucking morons.
The experts have no idea how this virus avoided their safeguards. Is that good news??
Tyler is correct. Something is different this time.
and it's on ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051
And it is not on.
Because if you had bothered to read the article you would have found out that the woman had TESTED NEGATIVE.
She did NOT HAVE IT.
Nobody here reads. So do not concern yourself with the facts.
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do... http://goo.gl/bhiamE
Your "free money" message is probably not gonna work too well here at ZH, you fucktard.
at least if it's not signed "Janet"
Does he/she answer as "This is Peggy"?
THAT'S GREAT ASSHOLE!! WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY SSI NUMBER AND CHECKING ACCOUNT INFO???
Try Nigeria, since you asked.
So America pattents the Ebola virus and the dept of defence weponoised a rabies ebola cross at the beginning of this year and they have run zombie drills and have bought 1.2 billion rounds of hollow point, and 150,000 decontamination showers and huge amounts of NBC suits , no nothing to see hear .(personally I dont think anything will come of this because it may get out of control and they don't like that)
Only thing I would add is the plastic coffins all stacked up. I believe many were seen in Atlanta to if I remember right.
You will never get the crowd to cry Hosanna until you ride into town on an ass." - Nietzsche
All sciences are now under the obligation to prepare the ground for the future task of the philosopher, which is to solve the problem of value, to determine the true hierarchy of values. ...Nietzsche
Atlanta is a shithole
True that!
Thing is, had they gone to Chicago, no one would notice the blood.
@ Ignatius:
I wonder if the Nigerian Prince came down with a case of Ebola? The emails seem to have dried up...and he was going to give me a percentage of $20,000,000.
Would have thought being an ebola test study subject paid better.
But then again, looks like we are all doing it for free.
Flying the infected in, is definitely cover for something.
What is as important as why.
Putin will not play ball by invading Ukraine , so economic collapse cannot be blamed on him,is this
plan b ? or c ?
In times of crisis Obama prefers to use the foreign policy dartboard.
He is not the "decider"
I would prefer invasion of Ukraine over Ebola.
At least ebola leaves the infrastructure intact and does not leave fallout on the soil for crops to take up.
Did they inject the workers with alpha/beta versions of anti-Ebola drugs, and now need the results?
Or do they simply need a really "Live one" (pre-symptomatic), whom they can inject and observe?
And are Dark Pharma in Can_ada, Germ_any and Just_US working/competing in parallel? Just asking, just asking.
Are you connected to "White House" too?
You fucking monotonous piece of shit, just stop plaguing this site. JUST FUCK the FUCK OFF.
If you continue your haunting one of the smart fucks (not me) on ZH will hack your into scammer corporate computer system and fuck it up real fucking good.
You've been warned.
Govern yourself accordingly.
You people disgust me. You should be nicer to our newest member.
Welcome to the ZH community, Ben Bernanke.
what is your job
recycling stamps
licked by ebola patients ...
Asking "what if?" puts one alongside with the Ancient Alien theorists who also ask, "what if?"....
Stick to "why," and find out the goddamn reasons "why."
p.s. Tyler, the larger legible version is also small and illegible.
The what ifs are useful if you are able to narrow a few of the "ifs" down to what makes the most sense, then go objectively looking for evidence that either confirm or deny them while remaining skeptical.
I was addressing the central what-if of the article:
The what if question was this: “What if they need to bring them back because they had no choice? What if the reason they need to get them into better facilities is for the worst of all reasons? i.e., It’s already here.”
The what-if attitude assumed in this question implies that we are dealing with benevolent entities who wish to quell the suffering of man.
MY ASS.
The patent holder of the virus and the vaccine has no choice? Really?
If it's already in US, the reason for bringing them back will be to hide that fact.
Nothing to do with the good of anyone but the very few.
IMO, it never left. It was taken there, to unleash into public record, and brought here to continue that storyline.
yeah and crisis management is always tuff in an up market--lol what if ???
"p.s. Tyler, the larger legible version is also small and illegible."
Here's a "what if" scenario for you:
What if you set a larger font size in your browser preferences?
Apparently they’re going to put him on a diet of pizza, pancakes, and pita bread. It won't cure him but it’s the only food they’ll be able to get under the door.
And salami.
How does one safely process the urine and feces from infected people, to be certain the virus does not get out of the facility?
simple---flush it into the reclamation unit for reprocessing as drinking water---I can't believe you didn't know that--jeez--
The experts have no idea. Is that good news!!
Everything is incinerated, everything. Wastes, bedding, clothing, equipment, anything used on the man will go into the furnace. The ashes will probably be red-bagged, but there'll be nothing alive in them.
I can't believe that 'spokesman' actually said his waste will go into the sewer system, just like everyone elses. Someone is getting a dressing-down, if that was indeed said.
5) : Gloves and boots used by medical staff, drying in the sun, at a center for victims of the Ebola virus in Guinea
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/31/5952515/facts-you-should-know-about-the-ebo...
Which is probably one of the reasons they wanted to get their patient over here...
I ate my usual monkey strips for breakfast, but I made sure they were cooked through.
Make mine medium rare. Please don't undercook them, thanks.
Tobasco sauce kills ebola, but it's a little harsh for breakfast.
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Tabasco or ebola. My breakfast eggs swin in tabasco.
Is that a bet people would be willing to take, that a food sample known to be contaminated with Ebola can be rendered safe and eaten if you simply add tabasco sauce?
only works with Habanero green--
Which unfortunately can also lead to blood leaking from orifices.
I had Tabasco on my scrambled eggs this morning. It works for all 3 meals, in my book.
All I know is that when I take a shot of Tobasco, it's the vinegar that gets to me.
Try shaking the bottle first...
[Pro Tip - make sure the cap is tight before shaking]
I really miss bottles of Tabasco larger than 1.9 ounces... It really undercuts the Eurosnobs claims of environmentally friendly packaging when I have send at least a bottle a week to the dump.
Try it by the gallon jug! http://countrystore.tabasco.com/TABASCOsup174_sup-Gallons/productinfo/00052/
Waiter! A straw...
Ah - fuck it. I'll just slip my finger through the hole, rest the jug on my arm thusly, tip just so and enjoy.
MeatTrapper- THANK YOU.
I'm leaving plenty of space in my luggage on my next trip back to the US.
If these doctors are picking it up, then either Ebola has changed transmission methods, or the normal sterilization/containment methods are not working. The US government handed out Ebola containment kits to National Guard units. What if we now have learned that the contents of those kits, and the CDC instructions to hospitals across the country -- do not work!
NoWayJose If these doctors are picking it up, then either Ebola has changed transmission methods, or the normal sterilization/containment methods are not working. The US government handed out Ebola containment kits to National Guard units. What if we now have learned that the contents of those kits, and the CDC instructions to hospitals across the country -- do not work!
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Reuters has already reported that 100 people have been infected, despite using the full protective gear. Most of the MSM seems to be leaving the information out.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-health-ebola-healthworkers-...
Alternatively, this is the consequence of off-shoring the manufacturing of mission critical equipment to the place with the lowest production costs.
nano ebola...
BINGO!!!! You are correct. It has changed transmission methods.
Next up; Ebola chemtrails.
Too costly and quite unnecessary. In the US, ebola mules or "eburros" will spread the plague "for free".
That's almost not as nutty as it sounds. The "ambulance" stopped for gas in Maine on it's way to Atlanta, so ebola traveled down the entire eastern seaboard...
A direct flight to Atlanta would also have been within the safe operating range of the aircraft.. And if the pilot really needed to stop off and step out for a smoke... he could have used Bloomberg's weekend parking spot in Bermuda (at least that place really can be easily and effectively nuked from orbit, Triangle and all).
Yes, Ebola is very thankful someone had the foresight to board it on a plane. It had been scratching its head thinking how it was going to cross such a large body of water. Bingo! The insurmountable become possible. Pretty good for a piece of RNA surrounded by a protein coat. The prions are so jealous and are clambering into position for their shot of glory. Why not? The highest order of being has devolved into the thought capabilities of a brick.
Miffed;-)
Hey, it works for illegal utes...
We humans like to think we use our genetic material to reproduce ourselves. But what if people, animals, plants, germs, are just the vessels that genes use to propogate themselves? In that case, viruses like Ebola don't waste time and energy evolving bodies or intelligence. They just hijack the fruits of more complex genes' labor which they then use to reproduce themselves. They have no culture or technology, but none-the-less enjoy the benefits of ritual corpse washing and jet air travel to aid their quest to go forth and multiply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene-centered_view_of_evolution
Well, if you think about it, there are approximately one trillion cells in the human body. There are approximately 10x bacteria that live on or in a human. Yes, we are out numbered 10 trillion to one. So it may be more valid to consider a human being simply a mobile vehicle for bacterial species inhabiting our world.
I try to stay on good terms with my bacterial overlords. Though I have killed millions of their brethren inhabiting other mobile vehicles, hopefully they see it as knocking off the competition.
Miffed;-)
You just ruined my appetite!
Exactamundo.
When the emergency rooms are filled with blood, 0bama can have his "Mission Accomplished" banner photo op.
Wait - is this the plot twist on "There will be blood"?
This reminds me of the movie, written by former MI-6,
About Drug testing in Africa.
The Constant GardenerI feel like I can catch Ebola just from reading these posts, I start feel achy.
Who's achy and don't you think that's a bit risky?
.."I start feel achy"..
Yeah.. now you have to worry if that watery dump this morning you took is something to worry about or just another outlier from that fake tuna..
So did he fly solo across the Atlantic?
And:
"Since landing in the U.S., he said he's had no physical contact with anyone and has only been near his daughter, who picked him up from the airport."
So, the airport was completely empty and his daughter is not a person? who then doesn't have any contact with anyone else either?
Yeah. This guy is a doctor really? What an idiot.
Now now. The narrative in play doesn't account for airborne transmission.
"Physical Contact" means touching. Being within a thousand feet of a person is not the same as touching.
So when you get on an aircraft everyone is very far away and people never ever touch each other ever?
nor do they touch the same things... like lavatory door handles, or water faucets, or anything else that everybody uses... never ever heh geez
Wasn't he brought over on a private jet, seperate from regular air travelers?
What if...those in power were planning an event of such magnitude that few would survive unscathed: thinning out the population, ushering in new opportunities for oppression and loss of freedoms...wouldn't they want to make absolutely sure that they were in the best possible position to survive and thrive? Wouldn't they engineer it so that they could "stock up" on wealth and assets to increase their power while diminishing the abilities of the non-powerful people to do the same? Wouldn't a 6-year systematic transfer of assets, wealth, power to themselves, unchallenged be considered a part of that plan? Wouldn't they also engineer a total take over of our economy, our government, the media, every institution that might dissent?
What if...
The only problem with using something as deadly as Ebola as population control is you can't prevent it from getting into your own camp and killing you and yours.
You may have all the assets left in the world, but they won't mean a thing to you if you don't have underlings to use those assets for your benefit. You need to keep the best, the brightest, and the most docile alive as servants/slaves in order for your own life to be comfortable.
So you need some sort of population control that kills off the violent, the independant thinkers, and the stupid. I don't see how Ebola fits the bill as Ebola kills off everyone.
Not a problem if you and yours are vaccinated with the "unavailable" vaccine.
Vaccines do not protect against strains that do not exist yet. I suppose it is possible for people to be so naive or over-confident that they might intentionally use a bio-weapon and assume it will not mutate and get around their vaccine.
Has Rabies mutated?
Does your Pets' vaccination prove effective?
Ebola is extremely similar to Rabies.
I don't know, how many times do you expose your pet to rabies to see if the vaccine works? How many animals have it and spread it around so it has a decent chance to mutate? What kind of timeline are you talking about, the lifetime of a dog?
What if they built huge under ground citys sealed from the outside , with high tech venterlation systems that could be self supporting for 10 years and ----- ho never mind.