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Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:34 | 5041343 Bioscale
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Not that horse guy again.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041374 tenpanhandle
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Kerry is remarkable guy.  A horses face and a horses ass at the same time.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:44 | 5041384 tenpanhandle
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BeBe:  Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

 

Kerry:  What horse?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:48 | 5041395 TeamDepends
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There are four of them, actually.....

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:47 | 5041739 SuperRay
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Gee, I wonder what ISIS will do with those 80 lbs of uranium they "acquired?"

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:59 | 5041776 ugmug
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Make a porn video with people who glow in the dark.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:49 | 5042162 TahoeBilly2012
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The action between Israel and the US is staged. City of London controls both, just a little good cop bad cop to keep your entertained.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 21:59 | 5042375 Richard Chesler
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Who knew putting the carriage in front of the horse's face was the same as putting the carriage in front of the horse's ass...

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:10 | 5041806 crazzziecanuck
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I'm still wondering how they missed the Ukraine...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:15 | 5041468 Smegley Wanxalot
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Bibi to Kerry ... "Fuck you and the horse that rode in on you"

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:21 | 5041659 TeethVillage88s
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Bibi... F U and the Horse that Sired you!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:45 | 5041732 The Alarmist
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"Isn't that the guy who said he was an old friend of Genghis Khan or something like that during his time in Viet Nam?"

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:32 | 5042564 fencejumper
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Warning, truly shocking photos of 4 dead Palestinian children:

 

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/dont-feel-bad-theyre-only-g...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:07 | 5042611 Colonel Klink
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Kerry, please pour that gas can on Israel!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 07:56 | 5042997 N2OJoe
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I believe he said Jengis Cohn, not Genghis Kahn.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:18 | 5041451 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm vexed by the fact that this cartoon makes Kerry to be "the bad guy", and BB "the victim".

Same as it EVER was:  Always Them as the bad guys, Us as the good guys.  The cartoonist is clearly a Sayanim prick.

See http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Sayanim

Did anyone bother to research what Kerry wanted?  Was his request SO outlandish and Unreasonable?  Or is it like Jon Stewart parodied recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlUzkd8Z8g. 

Nor, per Jon Stewart, can the US be Israel's "Rehab Sponsor" and its Drug Dealer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcngu9wkCzE.  LOL... great line: "Just say No.  But first, a smokey smoke?"

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:20 | 5041478 Hugh G Rection
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How dare you sir!

 

Don't you listen to your elected "representatives" or the talking heads on TV???  Israel is a little slice of American apple pie in the middle east, the only democracy in the region, our best good friend ever, and home to God's very own chosen ethnic religious group!

 

(That was sarcasm just in case somebody missed it)

http://zionismsucks.com/

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:04 | 5041596 Hugh G Rection
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I neglected to mention a HUGE story.

 

This pandemic is deadlier than ebola, and spreading much faster...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:14 | 5041634 Squid-puppets a...
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i waslike  the 14th view on youtube

that's hardly viral, whatever the content

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:19 | 5041480 BigJim
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IS this showing Bibi as the good guy? He's certainly got a (realistically) nasty, conniving expression on his face...

And.. if you were to interpret the cartoon as showing Kerry going to give Satanyahu the gasoline for him to apply to the various fires they've been making, I'd say it's pretty spot on!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:26 | 5041499 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Why is the world so outraged at Israel protecting itself on the land it stole square and fair?  The US has committed a holocaust in Iraq and hardly a peep, nothing near the outrage at Israel.  Obomba said "we tortured some folks", ya think?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:54 | 5041577 john39
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as if israel wasn't calling the shots on the U.S. "torturing some folks"...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:21 | 5041661 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Youre right skip the US war criminals and go right to the source of all evil, Israel.  What was I thinking.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:03 | 5042000 heywood
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Wackoism. The only war criminals here are the ones who use civilans, mosques, and schools as shields for military assets - that would be Hamas. It says a lot about the Palis that they chose those kind of people as their leadership. Oh well, now they can sit back and enjoy the consequences, I guess.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:24 | 5042424 logicalman
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OK, I'll be over to your place in about half an hour.

I'll run you out into the street at the point of a gun and move my family in.

I'm sure you won't mind.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 08:11 | 5043018 N2OJoe
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So you're looking for Amnesty then?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 10:35 | 5043564 logicalman
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If you stop with the notrous oxide, you might be able to think and maybe even make a comment that is relevant.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:56 | 5041765 bagehot99
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Referencing Jon Stewart is a gigantic red flag to anbody looking for serious thought on the matter.

Jon Stewart's job is to mischaracterize for comedic effect. That's it.

He's very good at it. But it's not real, or serious. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:45 | 5042469 PrintemDano
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Getting your "News" from Jon Stewart eh.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:44 | 5041382 angel_of_joy
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The horse looks, well, like a horse... Bibi though, looks great !

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:50 | 5041397 MH17FLIGHT
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My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do... http://goo.gl/bhiamE

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:48 | 5041943 Umh
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That's gotta be sloppy!

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:58 | 5041417 aardwolf
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ISRAEL AND BIBI WANT TO REBUILD THE TEMPLE AND SUMMON LUCIFER...TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE WORLD TO BURN WHILST THEY MURDER THOSE IN THE WAY....

 

HAHA IT'S ALL GOING TO PLAN... STUPID GOYIM!!! YOU BOUGHT MOSSAD'S  9/11 PRODUCTION HOOK LINE AND SINKER...

 

FILTHY SUBHUMAN GOYIM ARE BEING LAUGHED AT BY THE "CHOSEN" PEOPLE!!!  LOOK INTO BIBI'S EYES...DO YOU SEE ANY EMPATHY?? LOVE?? DO YOU SEE ANYTHING HUMAN AT ALL???

 

YOU BOUGHT THE HOLOCAUST HOAX AND THE ZIONISTS BOUGHT JERSUSALEM...ALL GOING TO PLAN... WHO'S GOING TO STOP THE ZIONISTS NOW??? 

 

THEY OWN YOUR POLITICIANS, YOUR BANKS, YOUR LAND AND THEY EVEN CREATE YOUR MONEY AS DEBT AND CHARGE INTEREST ON IT!!!! LOL!!! GOYIM DEBT SLAVES TOILING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS FOR THE "CHOSEN" PEOPLE...

 

THEY OWN YOUR MINDS!!! THEIR FAIRY STORIES WERE STOLEN FROM THE SUMMERIANS AND THEY AREN'T EVEN GENETICALLY SEMITIC...THEY ARE KHAZARIAN WARLORDS FFS!!!

 

WHEN WILL THE WORLD WAKE UP??!! HOW MANY DO THE ZIONISTS HAVE TO KILL???  THE MOSSAD CONTROL UK POLITICIANS BY FILMING THEM RAPING CHILDREN... DO YOU THINK YOUR POLITICIANS ARE DIFFERENT??

 

OOOOHH ANTI-SEMITIC??? I'M SO SCARED...NOT. MOSSAD LIES DON'T WORK ON ME ANYMORE....THE NAZIS ONLY PERSECUTED JEWS FOR ABOUT A DECADE...THE ZIONISTS HAVE BEEN RAPING AND MURDERING ARABS FOR NEARLY A CENTURY!!!

 

GIVE ME A BREAK HASBARA TROLLS....THE GOYIM ARE WAKING UP TO YOUR SHIT. TIME FOR A NEW FALSE FLAG!!! THIS TIME DON'T USE PLANES...IT'S GETTING FUCKING OLD....YOU NEED NEW SCRIPT WRITERS.....A FULL BLOWN PANDEMIC NOW WE ARE TALKING!!!

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:12 | 5042043 Plato's Law
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Earth to "CapsLock" devotee: TURN IT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In case you did not know: it's rude, it's called "shouting," and it's almost impossible to read.  Definitely status quo if you enjoy being ignored. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:31 | 5042643 Oh regional Indian
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On the other hand, if you/we really think about t, why are we happy stating our words in the "Lower Case"?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:35 | 5042653 snodgrass
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Kerry may be carrying gasoline but Nuttyanyu is carrying a nuke. He'd love to nuke the rest of the world to save Jews from being holohoaxed again.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:23 | 5042851 The Navigator
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holohoaxed?

6 million died in the holocuast, nearly wipping out the jews in Europe

Thats not a hoax, that's fact.

I have no experience dealing with Jews in old Europe, Russia, or the East Coast - I have no idea why the hatred there.

BUT I have experience in self preservation and preservation of my family - it's one of the principles behind the 2nd amendment. And I fully support the Israelis and any other people on this globe to protect themselves from invaders, terrorists to their nation/religion/race when confronted.

Remember, when you use the word nuke, we (America) used a nuke to 'preemtively' subdue the Japanese and killed thousands of civilians in WWII to 'end the war'.

War is NEVER a business for pussies - it's all out or nothing. It's either win or die; not a video game where you hit a re-set button for more entertainment.

But I think many have forgotten that. Thus after a generation or 2 after a great war will have to suffer a re-learning, until the empire has no more funds for moar war.

And after that, those empires are forgotten and a new one arises.

It's all in the history books, and the future books too.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 10:38 | 5043578 logicalman
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Quote.

I fully support the Israelis and any other people on this globe to protect themselves from invaders.

Then you support the Palestinians.

Here's another quote from David Ben Gurion, to clarify.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:52 | 5044688 mpadpy
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Considering the over 100 mil dead, there were more Jews in Europe at the end of WW2 than before the war started. You dont think there are census to look up?

Which is vastly different than most of the countries in Europe which saw drastic population reduction. So with all the migration and eliminations must really get the libido up in people. Even in gaza with all hell breaking lose and locked up the population has doubled in the last 50 years. The culling is just increasing the numbers and not doing its job.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:32 | 5045620 Plato's Law
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Oh...."facts"....yes, I've heard of those.  It's sure hard to argue with "facts."  What kind of simpleton are you, or what kind of simpleton do you take most of us to be? 

Suppose it's a "fact" for a moment, just for the sake of me making my excellent point.  (I believe it's a hoax, but put that aside for now.)

Q: Pray tell, what other "facts" require thought police to pass laws, imprisoning persons for disbelieving said "facts?" (Such is the case in "liberal" Canada and IIRC seventeen EU States.  Persons stew in prison today for having the wrong thought.) 

A: None.

Holocaustianity is the only "fact" whereby persons are imprisoned for disbelieving it.  They even assigned the special word "denier" for such disbelief. 

When you cross a bridge believing one "wrong" thought should properly result in prison time for person X's safety and protection, then you are absolutely required to prove why other so-called "facts" do not deserve similar fate.  In "fact" persons in authority and with sway have already suggested passing global warming denier laws. 

I personally believe no particular thought in my head or anyone else's head deserves such corporal punishment.   

Unless you believe the planet earth and all its 99.99999% occupants not Judaics, owe some type of debt to insure only this one particular peoples must survive, but all else can go to hell. 

Do you believe that?

I suppose you also believe that there is absolutely no "Scientific" evidence leading to the conclusion that the holocaust as it is normally defined is indeed a hoax?  You should check the testimoney and evidence on this so-called fact. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 01:34 | 5042714 TheReplacement
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Fuck you and the horse you... never mind.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:35 | 5041344 oklaboy
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should have had Regan looking down from Heaven... 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:36 | 5041346 Bloppy
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While the world burns, we're lost in nude TV reality shows:

http://tinyurl.com/nvqvonc

Why worry? Buy more Chipotle, Tesla Cult, Netflix and all will be well...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041372 angel_of_joy
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Uh, that girl looks like somebody just punched her in her face a couple of times... which is probably what she deserved anyway. Ugly, too... Reality shows make us see what a miserable reality we are living in...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:43 | 5041380 Chupacabra-322
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Complete Debauchary, loss of compassion, morals & ethics. Tall tale sign of an Empire in free fall .

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:47 | 5041390 Amish Hacker
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Naked and Afraid? No thanks, I get enough of that at home.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:53 | 5041405 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Heh.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:39 | 5042578 massbytes
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Real big woman at home?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:48 | 5041392 kchrisc
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As culturally dead such programming is, at least it is not one of those shows that displays the treasonous war against the American people as entertainment. I.e. "COPS," "Law and Order," "SVU," etc.

 

"I am a persecuted and discriminated against minority--a critical thinker."

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:14 | 5041462 barre-de-rire
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fucking american puritanism , you make 90% world wide gaped fist fucked porn pussies on the web but you dont let any nude pic with women boobs

 

you so pathetic.

 

how would you govern a 310million people  without even be able to talk about a CUNT on public media..... this is ridiculous.  even a simple nipple... full blurr " nothing to see, get away....

 

you must take lesson with french about those subjets.  american fuck with animals, french invended sadism. every one see his own pleasure a his door i guess. no wonder why america is what it is...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:24 | 5041492 Cliff Claven Cheers
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I dont get it either, we wont allow an advert with a woman in a shower showing her breasts yet we produce and export more porn than the world can consume and we don't even keep the kids from accessing it.  Bizarre. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:37 | 5041529 Cliff Claven Cheers
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I dont get the down votes.  Who did I offend the porn supporters or the puritans?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:34 | 5041519 SoCalBusted
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Bummer, I thought most of the FF stuff came from the EU/Germany.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:05 | 5042013 heywood
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 You are assuming that the original poster has the first fucking clue what he's talking about. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:31 | 5042444 logicalman
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You are assuming he/she has not, or at least encouraging others to do so.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:21 | 5041658 boattrash
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Here's what most really think about the French...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:01 | 5041594 robertocarlos
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I love Coke and M&Ms.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:40 | 5041360 RacerX
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Haaaaayyyy...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:54 | 5041406 MsCreant
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I bet John bites, be careful.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:40 | 5041364 IReallyDontCare
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He forgot to add Ukraine.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:51 | 5041401 disabledvet
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Yeah, no shit.

Lest we forget it was Europe that sandbagged the USA with the whole Cyprus Fiatsco last year as well.

Seriously though...only the lunatic fringe believes there are peace options available in any of this. It's all well and good to salute and move out when Your President declares "we're pursuing the diplomatic option" (and here and everywhere)...but there is a point where you really do have to say "just by me showing up a: gives lie to the very notion there are any diplomatic solutions and b: in fact is causing more war to break out.

Israel has already told Faux News to shut their pie hole (they declared this war over two weeks ago...and everyone now is doing so...yet again)...interestingly this same lunatic fringe did manage to find it in themselves to summarily fire a couple of thousand Army Majors...including ones currently serving in Afghanistan.

I think once you hit Light Colonel you'll probably see a coup attempt...not sure everyone wants to hang for the crimes being committed right now.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:21 | 5041484 Theta_Burn
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I'm pretty sure the only ones sandbagged were the depositors of those banks

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:57 | 5041413 TheSecondLaw
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And Afghanistan.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:41 | 5041367 VWAndy
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See I had a picture in my mind of dickheads swimming in blood.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:41 | 5041368 Rusty Shorts
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- "There are some people who realize that the physical evidence indicates that the official story is wrong, but don't understand what purpose or interest the government may have had in carrying out the attacks and thus have a psychological relation to the entire event as remaining quite mysterious even though the government's claims are patently absurd. I'll resolve that for you.

On 9/11/91 Bush Sr. spoke before Congress calling for a new world order. Alright, so the president is announcing a major initiative to the world. What could he be up to?

As the USSR was collapsing, there were major operations underway to seize control of their industry. We need to lay down a little historical context for those unaware before proceeding.

Throughout the 1980s the CIA was heavily involved in cocaine and arms trafficking, money laundering, etc. The most famous name here might be Oliver North, but Bush Sr. is neck deep. Mena, Arkansas is a major hub for this operation under the jurisdiction of Bill Clinton. Long trail of deaths surrounding North, Clinton, Bush, Mena, etc. You can educate yourself on those details.

This scandal goes mainstream around 1986. In 1989 you get the first major form of collateralized debt obligations in the form of Brady Bonds, invented by Bush Sr.'s treasury secretary. Minimally informed people are aware of the centrality of CDOs to the 2008 financial panic and the endemic fraud to securities trades of this type.

One of the Bush/North associates is Neil Livingstone, who acts as a go between to Semion Mogilevich. Mogilevich is one of the biggest mafia leaders in the USSR at the time. Mogilevich has had money laundering through the Bank of New York exposed to the tune of $10 billion. He is a major arms dealer at the time, and also heavily connected to al-Qaeda. Part of a bargain Livingstone tried to broker with DoJ involved Mogilevich handing over a bunch of his al-Qaeda connections.

Around 9/11/91 a bunch of fraudulent Brady Bonds are issued through the Bank of New York, Mogilevich's personal money laundering machine. This manifests ten years later. If you go back and look at the settlement imbalances at banks after 9/11, even the banks operating out of WTC complexes don't have any real settlement issues. There is one major exception however: Mogilevich's money laundering hub, the Bank of New York, is reporting book imbalances in excess of $100 billion per day following the attacks. The rules governing security clearance were lifted immediately after 9/11 - allegedly due to widespread problems - but really just to allow BoNY to clear it's balances without a record. It's worth noting that BoNY did not sustain structural damage on 9/11 - not in the WTC.

So these 100s of billions of fraudulent securities that were not clearing in the days after 9/11 - where did they come from? What were they used for? This is how the west launched their invasion of Russia following the collapse. You'll find exposes about crates of freshly printed US bills being shipped to Russia like The Money Plane in NY Magazine, used to buy influence; the other side of this is the securities fraud used to buy assets. It's estimated that something like 40-50% of Russia had been bought up through the mafia by late 92 or 1993.

In 2000/2001 Putin comes onto the scene. He starts nationalizing Russian assets that were seized by the US via the above mentioned securities fraud / money laundering and putting pressure on the mob. Next thing you know 9/11 happens. There are a lot of bones to pick with the official story, but rather than taking up those issues I'd like to highlight the importance of some officially acknowledged but underreported facts.

On 9/9/01 Ahmad Massoud is assassinated by a fake TV crew that disguised a bomb as a TV camera. Two days later the secret service denies access to a couple of guys claiming to have an interview lined up with Bush in Florida on the morning of 9/11. This is our first direct threat against Bush of the day and indication of some larger plot than hijacked planes. Upon learning of the attacks, Bush insists on returning directly to Washington. In flight, a threat is received in the form of a call from an unknown source saying "Angel is next," angel being code for the president that only insiders would have. (* "Can you confirm the substance of that threat that was telephoned in...that Air Force One is next and using code words?" Fleischer: "Yes, I can. That's correct."(September 13)* )Bush is at this point aware that there is some sort of coup effort going on; for example, all the reporter's onboard AF1 are required to turn their cellphones off because they are worried about the attacking faction tracking cell signals - a capability we can all agree is well beyond that of al-Qaeda.

So Bush is under threat from people with high level insider knowledge. Press secretary acknowledged all this on national TV the day after (Angel is next being called in). Bush diverts to Barksdale which is basically the #2 nuclear command site. After a couple hours there he proceeds to Offutt, which is the #1 nuclear command site. You should also be aware of a variety of drills running on the day of 9/11, Vigilant Guardian. This is a full scale mock up of nuclear war; the whole infrastructure is activated for first strike (incidentally, part of the Vigilant Guardian drill in 2001 included a hijacking of planes as the instigator of the conflict). So what is Bush doing going to Barksdale and Offutt? Clearly trying to bring the nuclear forces to heel in light of learning of high level insider power plays.

This might be starting to sound a bit over the top - high level insiders seizing control of nuclear infrastructure and threatening the president with it. But only a few years later we have a similar incident in 2007 as 6 nuclear weapons are seized, generally regarded as intended for use starting the war in either Iran or Georgia. Later, in 2013, we again have nukes going off base unauthorized. Hours after it was reported in the media Sen. Graham is on TV warning of a nuke hit on South Carolina to be blamed on Syrian rebels; two of top nuclear commanders get dismissed in the following weeks. So high level insider fighting over the nuclear arsenal is pretty standard stuff, well known to the public.

With the question of a struggle over the nuclear arsenal now being common sense rather than shocking, we consider Bush caving to the terrorism line and starting the whole war on terror. You have Putin immediately backing off the seizure of assets in Russia. It won't be until the last couple of years that Putin resumes his assertion of authority over Russia; the US responds in kind with attacks on Syria and Ukraine but Russia has since quietly updated it's missile program and is prepared for nuclear war this time around; you now see a defiant Putin in the face of the 9/11 coup faction. Alongside this remarkable shift in geopolitics, there is an emerging anti-dollar block with the BRIC countries establishing an infrastructure bank last year. Just weeks ago, Glazyev announced this and is widely regarded as being the mouth of Putin; he organized the recent gas deal with Chin for example.

So you see 9/11 was a pivotal event used to extend the US dollar empire under threat of nuclear war for another 10-15 years in the face of an assertive Putin back in 2001 and growing domestic problems for the US Government. (You may recall the 90s was full of anti government militancy, concern over globalization, NAFTA, extraordinary distrust, in general what you would expect of citizens in an empire with no apparent external threat ... the cold war had ended)

So now that broad outline of purpose and motivation for 9/11 is clear, it's easier to come to terms with what your eyes tell you looking at Building 7 implode into its foot print at free fall for example. You don't even necessarily have to view it as an evil thing; the US people are quite severely fucked without something being done to backstop the US dollar."

 - author unknown

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:28 | 5041503 where_is the_nuke
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You fucking anti-semiteH.ow dare you?I am the hasbara not you. Only I can be the victim.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:34 | 5041518 Uncle Remus
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Will the real victim please stand up.

What?

Oh.

Well, can you prop the body up then?

Ouch.

Really?

Ok never mind.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:36 | 5041703 AE911Truth
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Plus the nine court cases whose evidence was destroyed with the WTC buildings.

Each of these cases provided evidence of illegal use of hidden (stolen) wealth.

 

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41001366/1%20Murdering.pdf

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:59 | 5041773 boattrash
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Hey Rusty, could you put that in pictures, for the French to read?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:42 | 5042459 Ward no. 6
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new world order (one of the best songs from the 90's)

http://vimeo.com/44568228

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:13 | 5044149 Boubou
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Whatever thre truth of these particular  revelations, the real behind-the-scenes motives and actions of power are inscrutable and incomprehensible to a normal mind with normal morals and sensibilities, and without criminal psycopathic tendencies.

They won't see things that way . As Nixon put it,by definition,  it can't be a crime if your president does it.

They bear no relation to the narrative presented to us by power and it's media.

You can't altogether escape it butwith luck  can you probably avoid dying fighting for it.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041370 Last of the Mid...
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Something in the jewish psyche gives them an uncanny ability to spot bullshit, especially from a government "here to help". Gee I can't imagine where it came from. "An eye for an eye" or "Never again" mean anything to you. Kerry and O'dipshit are so outclassed it's not even funny. Trying to sell a line of crap to someone so much smarter than themselves.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:38 | 5041533 Uncle Remus
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So, don't try to con a con-man.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041371 Chupacabra-322
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Spitting image of Nutty Yahoo.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041375 world_debt_slave
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ha, ha, have to admit the US has some good political cartoonists from all eras, one of my fav is Andrew Jackson fighting the banksters back then.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:42 | 5041376 Eireann go Brach
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Obongo and his trusted horse! Could be a good storyline for a new comic book or TV show?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:51 | 5041399 BaghdadBob
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NutsnYahoo - "You're gonna need a bigger gas can horse face..."

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:56 | 5041409 css1971
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They forgot Ukraine.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:01 | 5041425 tickhound
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"Thanks for the gas" - bebes

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:01 | 5041429 Spungo
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John Kerry is a Russian spy. I'm calling it right now.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:04 | 5041434 Peter Pan
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Is that what they call horsepower?

Then again didn't some crazy Israelies pour petrol down a Palestinian's throat and then set him on fire?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:10 | 5041458 Yen Cross
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  The John Kohn "foreign policy" check list.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:16 | 5041469 giggler321
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to continue, text should read "give us more hellfire missles, we need it for iron foot, regards, yours bibie.  p.s. we not your friends, just it sounds good while we milk your tax payers through aipac."

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:18 | 5041475 Motorhead
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Kerry (and especially his old lady):  douchebaggus maximus.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:20 | 5041483 Cycle
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US foreign policy is controlled by two currents at the moment.  The first is the Military-Industrial complex, which makes lots of $$$ from foreign military adventures. The second is the energy companies, who hate to pay too much for the resources, so any country with energy and a regime that refuses to bend over for them gets targeted for regime change.  Meanwhile, the Fed manages to buy the debt that is required to run all the foreign military interventions so that people don't ask why taxes are rising and they get nothing for it.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:52 | 5041570 Againstthelie
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"Forgot" AIPAC?

Nothing to see here, move on sheeple...

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:34 | 5041522 Uncle Remus
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Die-plomacy.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:35 | 5041525 SoCalBusted
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"New normal diplomacy..."

It's working so well for domestic policy, why not spread the joy.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:36 | 5041527 Fuku Ben
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Heinz should have an Olive Branch in his left claw

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:41 | 5041542 EINSILVERGUY
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I am quite appalled at the degree of anti-semitism on this site.  For those of you who feel strongly in the beliefs that Israel and or its jewish citzenry have no right to self protection or to live without the potential to suffer another holocaust, I would like to understand this rationale. Besides the centuries old belief that the jews are money grubbers, or that centuries old argument of land theft or occupation, what is the rationale for this hatred? 

I would like a reasoned argument based on facts that tells me the following:

In the latest conflict with Hamas, does Israel have a right to defend its borders and prevent its citizens from being attacked by rockets from Gaza? If Hamas is using its own civilians to shield its forces and armament from the Israelis, then what is the IDF's recourse?

Does Israel as a nation have a right to exist? If not why not?

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:55 | 5041581 BaghdadBob
Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:18 | 5041846 jomama
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we won't be seeing a reply addressing this post from Israel apologists.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:03 | 5042002 Cliff Claven Cheers
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I personally have not read the Talmud but my gist is it is commentary on the Torah or the Pentateuch?  As such I doubt every Jew adheres to every opinion written in it, which is reasonable for most people.  Most people don't hold extremist views.  Also I will add that I can see when you say stuff about other people you are bound to offend them.  Same can be said for any relgious views. 

By your same logic we should be completely against the Palestinians because as Muslims the Quran states something to the effect of the need to convert or kill all non muslims.  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 20:42 | 5042139 Clueless1
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The Palestinian Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and others were getting along fine until the British showed up.  That is not to say their society was perfect, but they managed to live in relative peace with their neighbours for hundred of years.  Then the foreign jewish settlers started invading and everything went to shit for the indigineous polulation.

 

The Jew/Muslim narrative is not an accurate one.  Secular and Christian Palastinians are getting killed and displaced, along with the Muslims.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:49 | 5041949 EINSILVERGUY
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Sorry

Posting a link is passing the buck. You aren't presenting your own reasoned argument which  is intellectually dishonest and lazy.

For those that junked me, is it because you can't reason an argument or or are you so reflexive that your incapable of considering the questions?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 00:27 | 5042624 Dr Hackenbush
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19th century dis-proven arguments take brave intelligence 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:58 | 5041586 Winston Churchill
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I don't see much anti semitism here per se(with some exceptions).

I do see a lot of anti zionism though.

Maybe you could educate yourself on the big difference between them.

I am sure you too would be a anti zionist when you understand it.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:56 | 5041978 EINSILVERGUY
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Starting off a diatribe with Jew this or Jew that is not the same as stating opposition to Israeli policies or "Zionist" criticisms.

I'll be the first to state that over the last 30 years I have been critical of some Israeli actions ( USS Liberty and the Sabra and Shatila massacre when Ariel Sharon was in charge of Israeli defence forces)  but I don't let a cancerous hate extend to a group of people becuase of their race.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:47 | 5042472 logicalman
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OK, here's a question for you.

If a Jew living anywhere but Israel gives any kind of support, they are complicit in Israel's crimes. What is going on in Gaza is beyond criminal.

If you look at the logic of the whole holocaust thing, who should understand opression more that the Jews. Why would they then commit the same crimes they claim were commiitted against them against others?

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:01 | 5042499 PrintemDano
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 "Why would they then commit the same crimes they claim were commiitted against them against others?"

 

They aren't.

 

Before you nut jobs start calling me a Zionist or a Jew lover, I am neither.  I live in NY and am sick of the whining overbearing thieving Jews.  I don't like Israel, I don't trust them, they are not a "free" society, they treat non Jews like shit.  They do however have a right, a logical right to fight back when hundreds of missiles are fired at them from Hamas.  The fact that the muslim slime use children and women, and schools to hide behind is their bad, not the stinking jews.  In this fight I'm on the jew side, hopefully the poor Palestinian civilians can somehow get rid of Hamas....

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 02:38 | 5042754 Clueless1
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Palestine has no military.

 

Diplomatic methods to resolve this dispute have failed and have been failing since prior to Israels inception.

 

Diplomacy doesn't work.  Peaceful protest does not work.  What recourse is left?  Seriously?  Capitulation or violence are the only 'real' options worth considering.  The Palestinians have no leverage, the Zionists will not compromise, so it is no wonder that rockets are flying.

 

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion

  

We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”  

-- David Ben Gurion

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." 
-- David Ben Gurion


"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion

 

Ethnic cleansing has been going on for the better part of a century...but people are butthurt because of a few primitive rockets?  Send the Jews back to where they came from.  You know what, fuck it, send them to America.  Give them Utah or something.  Should save the US government a fortune on foreign aid. 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:15 | 5041637 Doctor Faustus
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Why are you appalled?  Internet forums provide anonymity for everyone to express opinions of varying depravity. If you're Jewish (or black, white, Indian, Asian, European, etc.), I suggest you grow a thicker skin...and learn to shoot.

And stop visiting these particular threads on ZH if they upset you because having a "reasoned argument" on a topic such as Israel or Jews on this site is not possible.

 

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:31 | 5041687 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Best interent advice I have ever read.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:51 | 5042480 logicalman
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It's not possible anywhere, but at least you get honesty, mostly, on ZH.

If you are not prepared to listen carefully to views other than your own, you aren't ever going to learn much.

The above is meant as a statement, not a criticism, just to be clear.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:19 | 5041651 I Write Code
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Well, I think it starts with the casual anti-semites, who attract the lunatic anti-Zionists, who attract the double-lunatic anti-semites, and then they all get self-righteous denying that they are in the other categories.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:56 | 5041763 Westcoastliberal
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Here's a question for you, yes or no.  Do the Palestinians have the right to exist and were they not there first?

And here's a recommendation: Stop whining.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:10 | 5041805 I Write Code
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Yeah, you sound like a west coast liberal.

The Palestinians have a right to exist and that involves catching a bullet when they make sufficient nuisances of themselves.  They were not there first, the Zionists bought land legally and it was mostly waste anyhow, and any rights the Palestinians ever had they've long since squandered by their own attacks and the attacks on Israel by all the surrounding Arab countries.

And here's a recommendation to you: stop yapping about stuff you don't have the facts on.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:15 | 5041834 jomama
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his handle is sarcastic.  seeing as that went over your head no wonder you're sounding so clueless.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:52 | 5042482 logicalman
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Please stop giving arseholes a bad name.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:33 | 5042858 dreadnaught
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Im not a liberal, but i see that you are a clueless fool   stoopid (sic) is i think the right word-get a GED, and rise your IQ to ABOVE 75 and then come here and post

Great Britain sent them there-and i just love your LSD addled brain remark of "It was just wasteland, and besides, they werent using it anyway"=like we used on our Native American peoples

Call it for what it is Hitlers---er sorry, I mean, ISRAELS FINAL SOLUTION

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:08 | 5041793 Bazza McKenzie
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If one were determined Jews not suffer another "holocaust", why would you create a state for them in the middle of hundreds of millions of Muslims, whose religious texts are vociferously anti-Jew, and start that state by dispossessing millions of Muslims who would then have a real perpetual grievance to go along with their religious hatred?

And why would you expect the citizens of countries that have not done Jews any harm to be continually reaching into their pockets to bail Jews out of this disaster of their own making?

And given Israel was founded through Zionist terrorist actions by Irgun and the Stern gang, why do Jews imagine they have any moral right to complain about terrorism by Arabs who believe they are fighting for their land and lives in what was Palestine?

Reasoned explanations would be welcome.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:57 | 5042490 logicalman
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I posted this elsewhere, but there's no argument against this, as far as I can see.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

David Ben Gurion.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:11 | 5041810 smacker
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I write as someone who has never held hatred for jews, just suspicions about their integrity.

Things are changing. If you check out the truthful media and see what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza - bombing civilian sanctuaries causing mass death and destruction to the point where parts of Gaza resemble heaps of rubble. Add to that the alleged letter from the Knesset Deputy Leader to Netanyahu calling for absolute genocide against the population of Gaza, you might understand some of the anger that surfaces.

Netanyahu and numerous IDF Commanders are guilty of grave war crimes on a daily basis. There can be zero doubt about that. Who will hold them accountable??

 

Apart from that, Winston Churchill expresses my own general views admirably.  It cannot be anti-semitism since large numbers of Zionists are not semites.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:13 | 5042526 PrintemDano
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"Netanyahu and numerous IDF Commanders are guilty of grave war crimes on a daily basis. There can be zero doubt about that.

Add to that the alleged letter from the Knesset Deputy Leader to Netanyahu calling for absolute genocide against the population of Gaza, you might understand some of the anger that surfaces.:

You cite an "alleged letter"....wow that's proof if I have ever seen proof!

The same zero doubt as Libs claim about global warming...there is plenty of doubt on both statements...

Muslim scum always hide behind women and children because they are savages who care not a whit about human life.  They do that to provide propoganda photos with their poor dead children.  I feel horrible for the innocent palestinians who are dying, but no more than I would for dead jew children when one of those Hamas rockets actually hits a target....All the deaths are on the hands of Hamas.....

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 03:16 | 5042734 smacker
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1. "You cite an "alleged letter"....wow that's proof if I have ever seen proof!"

As far as I can see, there is no doubt. Check it out yourself. The publishers claim with certainty that Moshe Feiglin did write the letter and a copy of it is right here:

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/concentrate-and-extermi...

If you find evdence that it's a false allegation, please post it. 


2. "All the deaths are on the hands of Hamas."

That is clearly not true.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:28 | 5042856 dreadnaught
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The Jews never let the facts get in the way....they will just whine and scream "Anti Semiticsim!!!!!   wahhhhh!!!!!"   and shut down any logical discourse as they run home to mummy, crying

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 02:29 | 5042750 supermaxedout
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Apart from that, Winston Churchill expresses my own general views admirably.  It cannot be anti-semitism since large numbers of Zionists are not semites.

Not large numbers, 90% or even more are not semite, while the Palestinians are semite. They are the inhabitants of this area since ancient times. Most of them left Judaism and converted to the Mohammedian belief after being conquered and governed by muslim occupants. Maybe thats why Nethanjahu is fighting them so bitterly. The Palestinaians are the original Jews in their majority and did the crime to leave Judaism behind.

By far the most Israelis now living in Israel do have no genetic roots in Palestine as this scientific study from a Jewish scientist clearly shows. http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61.full

This study is coming to the same results as the historian Shlomo Sand in his book: The Invention of the Jewish People.  http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 03:39 | 5042786 Ghordius
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that's hiding behind a very small fig leaf. "anti-semitism" has been used now long enough from both sides of the argument to mean "hatred against jews"

there are Israelis, Zionists at home and abroad, members of Jewish religious communities and secular Jews, and the "classic" antisemiteTM hates them indiscriminately

what the Israeli government is doing is hardening the conflict between two populations. the question is more: where do both populations want to be in 20 or 50 years? as long as the answer is "here, but without the others", the conflict will go on

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:07 | 5042844 piratepiet
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" that's hiding behind a very small fig leaf. "anti-semitism" has been used now long enough from both sides of the argument to mean "hatred against jews" "

Would you not agree that anti-semite is ( has ) largely ( become ) a codeword used by jews to designate somebody as fair game to be "destroyed" ?  

I recenty read in some post or tweet by ADL ( anti-defamation league ) that the opinion that jews have too much power is apparently ant-semitic as well.  ( what the hell is politics about ? Is it not trying to obtain power by legitimate means, and thus increasing your own relative power ? Does it necessarily mean being against everybody else that loses some power in that process ? Does that make one an anti-everybody ( that loses some power ) ?)

It is clear to me that anti-semitism is too often used as a mere tool to solidify power, a very transparant tool at that. 

I wonder whether they think it is wise to keep declaring people their enemies while some of these people would not really consider themselves enemies.

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:24 | 5042854 dreadnaught
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Yes a Jew could be caught robbing a bank and swear that his arrest and trial were based on "anti-semiticism"   i exagerate just a little to prove a point

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:51 | 5042879 Ghordius
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yes, the Anti-Defamation League has put the TM behind antisemiteTM, and treats it as a brand on which they have intellectual rights

on the other side, there are lots of antisemites which have nothing to do with the ADL. hatred against jews exists, even in the absence of jews in daily life

imho around 10% of us humans are born with the need to hate some out-group. interestingly, if it's a distant out-group this hate is "pure"

the question at a social level is only how to manage this pesky remnant of our tribal/animal past. tourism helps, for example. genocide, too, but between tourism and genocide I prefer the first

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 03:40 | 5042787 smacker
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Thank you for that. I have read those reports...

The issue you raise goes right to the very heart of the legitimacy of the State of Israel and its claim to a right of self defence. It is the elephant in the room that nobody - especially jews - ever wants to talk about for obvious reasons. If you ask a jew where his roots are, where his ancestors came from or which tribe he belongs to, he will simply tell you that he's "a jew" and that's enough. He will never admit that he's probably an Ashkenazi jew, originally from the old Khazaria region, not from Palestine or North Africa, meaning he has no historical right to a homeland in Palestine. He will then close down the debate. If you persist, he will resort to using "anti-semitic" slurs. That's worked for many decades.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 06:03 | 5042887 Ghordius
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a Nation does not have to follow any rules to be a Nation except the most basic one: it's own conviction. and of course the nativism that is the characteristic of a Nation, meaning that the National Prerogatives are extended to all those who are born in the fold of that Nation

seen this way, there is a Israeli Nation. The armed boys that are now in Gaza were born in Israel, and are part of it

of course they will defend their Nation. against perceived or real threats. this "Right" is just a fact. the relevant genetics of a Nation are in it's future, not in it's past

so all this "Askenazi" stuff is utterly irrelevant and of very dubious value, imho. Israel-the-nation claims a territory. that's it

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 07:14 | 5042939 smacker
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Sorry Ghordius, I cannot agree with a lot of that.

What you are really saying is that a group of people can claim a nation simply by moving on to someoene else's land (after committing much terrorism) and declaring "This is the State of Israel given to us by God. We are the chosen ones".

That is essentially the law of the jungle (or desert in this case!) but is what happened in Palestine 1948 and elsewhere in the world at different times. That doesn't make it right.

The people who made up the Zionist movement (and to this day cause much of the trouble involving jews) were/are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi jews who never originated from Palestine at all. So their claim on Palestine was, and remains, illegitimate by most measures. It also makes their mention in this debate totally relevant. And let us not forget that Israel has well documented plans to expand and absorb the West Bank and Gaza into a Greater Israel. The theft of other peoples' land apparently hasn't ended.

That many Israeli residents were born in Israel is neither here nor there. It's simply an added complication of their own making (or their parents).

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 07:57 | 5042999 piratepiet
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I may or may not agree with what you wrote.

What is your solution to this mess ?

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 08:25 | 5043040 smacker
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Unless you agree with my view, it is most unlikely that you would agree with the solution(s) because it's based upon accepting that a great wrong was committed 66 years ago thru lies and political expediency. Therefore the solution is about righting that wrong.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 08:57 | 5043166 piratepiet
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You seem to be an idealist smacker, not a pragmatist. 

"Unless you agree with my view, it is most unlikely that you would agree with the solution(s),..."

Funny thing is that is what both the Israeli and Palistinian side are claiming and they are getting nowhere. 

I note you have not really come up with a concrete proposal, just given a hint. 

How about a one-state solution with equal rights for both Jews and Palestinians ?   That new country needs a new name.  Any ideas ? 

 

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 09:01 | 5043179 HamFistedIdiot
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Israeli Jews and the one-state solution

Ali Abunimah The Electronic Intifada 10 November 2009

Anyone who rejects the two-state solution, won’t bring a one-state solution. They will instead bring one war, not one state. A bloody war with no end. — Israeli President Shimon Peres, 7 November 2009.

One of the most commonly voiced objections to a one-state solution for Palestine/Israel stems from the accurate observation that the vast majority of Israeli Jews reject it, and fear being “swamped” by a Palestinian majority. Across the political spectrum, Israeli Jews insist on maintaining a separate Jewish-majority state.

But with the total collapse of the Obama Administration’s peace efforts, and relentless Israeli colonization of the occupied West Bank, the reality is dawning rapidly that the two-state solution is no more than a slogan that has no chance of being implemented or altering the reality of a de facto binational state in Palestine/Israel.... continued

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 09:34 | 5043312 smacker
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Striving for an ideal is good, but I moderate it by compromise wherever possible.

And I note you still have not said whether you agree or not. Duh!

"Funny thing is that is what both the Israeli and Palistinian side are claiming and they are getting nowhere."

Frankly, I do not believe that Israel has much say in any solution. That must be worked out and imposed by "others". One way or the other it will mean the closing down of Israel as a State and its occupants offered to remain as guests in Palestine or offered a life elsewhere. For those who think that is harsh, they must remember that Israelis are illegitimate squatters on someone else's land.

The one-nation solution will never work as another commenter has explained. Same problems with two-state, Israel is continuing to steal Palestinian land.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 09:42 | 5043337 HamFistedIdiot
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Then what will be done with the Jews that are there in Israel? They've got the nukes and the $billions in "aid" from the US. Is dislodging them do-able? I just don't see it as being feasible or part of "what is possible," even if there is some truth to what you say. A one state solution is more realizable, imo. I'll go back into this thread and look for the post you cite as evidence that the one state solution won't work. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:10 | 5045054 smacker
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One assumes that if TPTB decided to close down Israel then the aid would stop immediately. If Israel didn't agree to comply with a global mandate it would need to be sanctioned. Since it doesn't have too many friends around the world that would be effective. At the same time, the Israelis must be offered a way out, perhaps to another piece of land given to them to create their own country or a life in other countries.

I admit the nukes are a problem but would Israel blow up the whole M/E? If so, then it reinforces that it is a terrorist state.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 08:56 | 5043152 HamFistedIdiot
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Before I became radicalized I used to listen to the good Jew-9/11 truth denier Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! She had some scholar types on the show that said only a single state solution would work. That is, make Gaza/Palestine a part of Israel, and make the Palestinians Israeli citizens. Also, ceding Jerusalem to the UN or some other international group to manage such an important site, was recommended. Having an inherently racist theocracy born of ethnically cleansed Palestinians will be a lightning rod for discontent in Middle East for a long long time. It's been 10 years since I listened to these discourses, but everything I've learned since then tells me that this will be the only way to neutralize the tension in the region.

I've argued elsewhere here that the Rothschilds/Zionists were instrumental in turning Jews away from England, the US and elsewhere during WWII, using the crisis to pave the way for the creation of Israel. I'll dredge up the documents, but my understanding is that the Zionists at the highest level are knowingly part of a Secret Society / Order of Death that need the animosity that a false Israel creates. The current iteration is NOT a fulfillment of Jewish expectations, but rather a bastardization of it. The Death Set needs enormous blood sacrifice and the destruction of the very nation they created in order to rebuild the temple and bring in what they think will be the real deal under an openly NWO fascist international banker cabal, hopefully with the 500 million world population that some of their structures (like the Georgia Guidestones) aspire to.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 09:43 | 5043338 piratepiet
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Your tactic is appears to be :  First defending a one-state solution, then sprouting some nonsense in order to undermine the very idea you ( falsely, it seems ) say to support.  Depressing, my friend. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 09:53 | 5043373 HamFistedIdiot
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Awakening to the magnitude of the lie does involve some depression, I am sorry to say. The Rothschilds/Zionists never intended the state of Israel to work. It is meant to galvanize anger as a prelude to a darker level of the plan. The one state solution would mitigate much of the anger -- not all of it, of course, but enough to possibly forestall nuclear war/broad destruction in the area. That is why the elite Zionists do not want a single state solution. And that is why it must be pursued. Salaam + Shalom.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 11:41 | 5043991 Boubou
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 Unfortunately their benefactor and mentor USA ( along with all her lackeys )  is not averse to reducing towns to rubble and resulting collateral damage either, usually on fabricated, misrepresented or mistaken grounds.

I can't think of a case where it worked out well.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:12 | 5041817 jomama
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Again.

 

1) I don't like being considered goyim.

 

2) I can't stand being Israel's vassal.

 

3) Listening to people trying to justify genocide is beyond appalling. 

 

try your hand waving garbage somewhere else, most of us here are familiar with the Hasbara 'manual'. 

 

The only thing Israel learned from the holocaust is facism.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:27 | 5041876 smacker
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"The only thing Israel learned from the holocaust is facism"

You're being generous. Benito Mussolini was surrounded by Jewish advisors and a full 35% of Italian Jews joined his Fascist party.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 19:28 | 5041885 kurt
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Do you play fairly?

Do you think it is ok to take advantage?

Is the image the reality?

Are executives better than dirt farmers?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 21:04 | 5042204 IndianaJohn
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Does Israel as a nation have a right to exist? If not why not?

No, they were "given" land in Palestine by the English, who had no right to do so. (Balfour Declaration) Throughout history jews have never built themselves a country because to do so requires work. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm Instead, they live off the productivity of any host that will provide a living for them. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/weltparasit.htm

 

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:19 | 5042849 dreadnaught
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dont forget they have been thrown out of every country theyve lived in for the past 400 years......lol I wonder why?-Right now the Jews live off of $10 billion a year welfare check courtesy the US taxpayer-because they "have the right to it"..... no these people have earned EVERY grain of hatred for them

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 21:19 | 5042220 Plato's Law
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"I am quite appalled at the degree of anti-semitism on this site.  For those of you who feel strongly in the beliefs that Israel and or its jewish citzenry have no right to self protection or to live without the potential to suffer another holocaust, I would like to understand this rationale. Besides the centuries old belief that the jews are money grubbers, or that centuries old argument of land theft or occupation, what is the rationale for this hatred?"

I'll make this as clear as possible. 

Israel and Palestine both think god gave them the same land.  There can never in a million years be peace in that land till one or both (I prefer the latter) cease to exist.  If anyone including you disagrees one iota with this statement, and you desire or expect to be taken seriously, please think again.

God forsaken US politicians and MSM reps list every kind of ridiculous statement to strive for peace, like: "We need a 2-state solution...we can make this work...peace in our time...we owe it to the children..."  The sum total reason they list these lies is to hide and justify the fact that Israel-Firsters bribe them for financial and military aid.

Every single Israel bomb hitting Palestine kills one or more future American at the hand of a jihadist.  To deny such is stupid or a lie, there's no gray area here.  Whether T or F, the Mulsim world perceives every Israel bomb as launched from the USA.   

 

"I would like a reasoned argument based on facts that tells me the following:

In the latest conflict with Hamas, does Israel have a right to defend its borders and prevent its citizens from being attacked by rockets from Gaza?"  

Of course yes.  That's not the point.  The point is what is the net effect of the USA's relationship with Israel?  It's net negative by huge margin.  I owe Israel nothing.  The USA owes Israel nothing, absolutely f'n nothing.    

Now answer this: Does any American suffer any direct harm if Israel (and/or Palestine) cease to exist tonight?  If you think America can not exist without an alleged or real "democracy" in the ME, you are stupid or a liar, again, no gray zone, sorry.   

"If Hamas is using its own civilians to shield its forces and armament from the Israelis, then what is the IDF's recourse?"

I don't know.  I don't care.  How the hell did you conclude it's my business or any American's business?  I don't want the financial bill for Israel and even less do I want the hatred they generate in the world transfered to me because of our support for it.

Do you pity the Roman Empire for its passing into history?  The Golden Age of Spain?  Or the UK?  Or France?  If you don't, does that make you an Anti-Roman?  An Anti-Spaniard?  An anti-Brit?  Anti-French?  Will you help finance the resurrection of Rome as the center of the world?   

I didn't think so. 

"Does Israel as a nation have a right to exist? If not why not?"

No.  No nation has a right to anything.  Do you think God grants such rights to nations?  See above concerning Rome.  Rome's "right" to exist ceased when it was gone!  Does Palestine have a "right" to keep its land borders after the '67 war?  So far, history says, "NO!"    

The USA's and Israel's attempts to spread democracy in the ME guarantee Israel's future destruction (Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, etc).

Do you think there's been any form of freedom or democracy in Ukraine/Kiev, where we've been picking sides against Russia?  Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!

If the USA does not stop picking sides in world issues, it's place in the sun is over.  

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 21:51 | 5042342 besnook
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another one equating criticism of israel with criticism of jews and calling me names because of it. calling you a dirty kike is antisemitism(more accurately anti jew and it would be a proper response for calling me unwarranted names). calling israel a criminal(phophorus and cluster bombs), murderous(targeting civilians under false pretext), rogue nation(won't listen to the civilized world) is a conversation starter.

you want to argue from the position that israel is right and the palestinians are wrong based upon proven falshoods, nonsequitor logic, and ad hominen attacks. that does not make for conversation but does inform informed people you have a tentative grip on reality.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 22:40 | 5042460 logicalman
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David Ben Gurion said this.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Did the Jews steal the land, or not?

Just asking.

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:25 | 5042550 Jabotinsky_USA
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He didn't. Which gets us to a question of why argue here? Jew haters will be free of facts. Hamas and jihadists want Islamic law on the whole planet and kill Jews everywhere. Plenty of it on video and on their own TV and in their charter.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 04:13 | 5042806 Citizen Hill
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Don't be wasting your time here with facts, these Hamas apologist, Islam ignorant jackasses have no fucking idea . . it would take the very acts perpetrated upon themselves for the same reasons that Hamas has inflicted it's theological hate on the Jews before these dimwits were ever to begin to get a clue.

The scary thing? . . these ignoramuses actually follow a top notch informative economic news letter such as this . . and they are still mind numbingly stupid of world affairs that affect the fabric of their pitiful lives. . . even more frightening, these morons vote!   

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:50 | 5045721 Plato's Law
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I am not the first person here to mock the stupid refrain, "They hate us for our freedom."  Some Muslims hate us for our freedom.  But they leave their family and die while killing Americans because:

US' unfailing support for Israel.

US military occupying what they consider Muslim Holy Land.

Alleged so far 1000% failed spreading of "democracy" in Islamic nations, while turning a blind eye to the most evil dictators on earth (Al Saud family) for oil. 

If you think Islam will accept equality for women and other Western secular versions of "freedom," you are either a mental case or IQ half your shoe size.

Stupid idiotic or lying jack asses like yourself kill Americans with your stupid thoughts.  You should be imprisoned for being a history denier.   

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:13 | 5042848 dreadnaught
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yes...Great Britan "gave" it to them-since "they (palestinians) werent using it" (like the US Native Americans) lol......in the Balfour Declaration in 1947......they had about a 10% chunk at that time....now they inhabit 90% of it and want to push the natives into graves or out of the country

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 05:09 | 5042843 dreadnaught
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oh, cut the bull crap.... Israel has a large modern nuclear military; They always pull out the same screechy whine of "We have the right to defend ourselves, we have the right to exist" a couple of ripe jewish chestnuts for sure-getting old fast;

And when ever they are caught robbing a bank, they scream "Youre Anti Semitic, wah!!!!!!!!" when they are led away in handcuff, off to jail. Always the crybaby whiners- a trait

Palestine has the right to exist.....but Israel keeps pushing....Palestine has no military....just a rag tag group of thugs they could take out personally if they wanted to. Instead they kill the civilian population and urge them to move out:

 

you see Gaza is choice "steal-estate" as far as the Jews are concerned......oceanfront property and undersea oil-

 

GENOCIDE *is not* OK, Israel---you had it tried on you once-why do you adopt it as a policy now?

its ISRAEL's FINAL SOULTION      

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 17:50 | 5041565 Againstthelie
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Shouldn't be both guys standing on the same side, holding the same can, while the world stands on the other?

Sun, 08/03/2014 - 18:05 | 5041601 WTFUD
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Horses for Courses and Chief Whipping boy Kerry has a track record that he's suited to none. Neighhh

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