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The Bear Reawakens: Ukraine Claims Russia Has 33,000 Troops & 160 Tanks Near Border

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Having unleashed a massive military drill earlier in the day, Russia is reportedly amassing military force on Ukraine's border once again:

  • *RUSSIA HAS 160 TANKS NEAR UKRAINE BORDER, KOVAL SAYS: INTERFAX
  • *RUSSIA BOOSTS BUILDUP NEAR UKRAINE TO 33,000 TROOPS, KOVAL SAYS

Mykhailo Koval, deputy head of Ukraine’s National Defense and Security Council, spoke on Russian military buildup on ICTV channel, according to Interfax. We await YouTube confirmation...

Some have claimed up to 42,000 troops are positioned on Ukraine's borders:

 

and the state of affairs in Ukraine as of last week...

 

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Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:29 | 5045147 astoriajoe
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i won't believe it until I see official state department youtube videos.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:33 | 5045171 zorba THE GREEK
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The S#!T is about to be introduced to the FAN. 

Obama is going to have a hissy fit.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:35 | 5045181 pods
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They are just there to feed and clothe the Ukrainian Army deserters.  Hope they don't put them on that damn Mexican train. 

pods

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5045220 Dr. Engali
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They have to make a pit stop in West Africa on their way to ride the Obama Ebola train to the promised land.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:42 | 5045237 Chief KnocAHoma
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The Ukraine should follow the example of the US and secure that border to keep those poor Russian children out.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5045263 IANAE
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...was just watching today's State Dept press briefing when, while Jen Psaki was responding to specific questions about Ukraine situation, the streaming video & audio feed went silent.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:52 | 5045288 TahoeBilly2012
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Jen Psaki, my groovy hate fuck gal. Sorry Nudelman, not even with high dose Viagra and you in heels.....

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5045323 Four chan
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putin should just say im taking over the ukraine and get it over with.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:51 | 5045731 ZerOhead
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Hey Vlad... Shit or get off the pot.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:09 | 5045834 max2205
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On the map on my wall I just crossed out Ukraine and sharpied Russia over it.

 

The fat lady is about to sing

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:17 | 5045862 nidaar
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Well, while everyone is looking at elsewhere (Isra-el), and the Malaysian Airlines haven't lost another (!) flight over there yet, it's about time to finish the job.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:13 | 5045447 pods
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I'll take, who would you like to have bound and gagged in your trunk for $1000 Alex.

pods

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:43 | 5045689 Rootin' for Putin
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I will give my one bitcoin to whoever chops her tongue out and mails it to me.

There is no way someone that idiotic can have come from anywhere other than a lab experiment.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:32 | 5048069 Idaho potato head
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Hair style like a pair of salad tongs lol

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5045266 Save_America1st
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this is just "transitory", "kinetic", and to keep the "peace"...

what???  It worked for obombya in Libya, right? ;-)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:38 | 5045652 spieslikeus
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Doing it for the children

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:09 | 5045428 skepsis101
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Glad you mentioned Mexican trains.  

Just 100 years and 100 days ago the United States blockaded a Mexican port and thus began the American invasion/intervention in the 4 year-old Mexican (Ukrainian) Civil War (Revolution).  Kaiser Wilhelm (Ceasar/Czar) of the German Empire (US Empire) had been supporting the Porfirio Diaz (Elitist/Dictator/Fascist) faction with arms and supplies in the hopes of diverting America's (Russia's) attention to threats of war in Europe.  Wilson (Putin) was concerned for U.S. (Russian) commercial interests and eventually sent in American (Russian) troops.  There was never any Declaration of War.

Funny how history rhymes.

Now the shoe is on the other foot.   Viva Mexico and Pancho Villa and his Mexican trains carrying horse mounted troops.  Long live the Donbass and Russian intervention on its border!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:10 | 5045429 skepsis101
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Glad you mentioned Mexican trains.  

Just 100 years and 100 days ago the United States blockaded a Mexican port and thus began the American invasion/intervention in the 4 year-old Mexican (Ukrainian) Civil War (Revolution).  Kaiser Wilhelm (Ceasar/Czar) of the German Empire (US Empire) had been supporting the Porfirio Diaz (Elitist/Dictator/Fascist) faction with arms and supplies in the hopes of diverting America's (Russia's) attention to threats of war in Europe.  Wilson (Putin) was concerned for U.S. (Russian) commercial interests and eventually sent in American (Russian) troops.  There was never any Declaration of War.

Funny how history rhymes.

Now the shoe is on the other foot.   Viva Mexico and Pancho Villa and his Mexican trains carrying horse mounted troops.  Long live the Donbass and Russian intervention on its border!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 02:45 | 5047754 SoDamnMad
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The deserters weren't getting fed or have enough ammunition. Where did all those MREs go? In some generals warehouse?  I have to visit European EBay to see if they are on sale.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5045200 PartysOver
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Boy, was I mistaken.   I thought Obama's intelect was far superior to any mortal man.  Putin playing him for a fool.   EXPOSED.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:03 | 5045356 crazzziecanuck
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Neither Obama nor Putin run their side of the show.  However, the quality of those advising their respective leaders is starting to come through loud and clear.

There is no better illustration about the quality of an Ivy League education than realizing that George W. Bush went to both Yale and Harvard.  So, if that "cream of the crop" can be President, it goes a long way an explaining the ineptitude in rest of the "deep state."  And this "deep state" runs the show, whether or not it's an R or a D in the Oval Office or even whatever the makeup of Congress actually is.

Looks like Russia doesn't suffer from this problem.  Appears that their leadership acquires their positions by merit, not because they share the same alma mater.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:29 | 5045592 JohninMK
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Having KGB on the CV seems to help somewhat.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:51 | 5045734 Rootin' for Putin
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The difference is, presidential candidates learn how screw ups are covered by money and other peoples demise so they don't really learn anything.

KGB screw ups, well you dont learn much from yours, but you do from other peoples.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:06 | 5046948 cynicalskeptic
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Screw up in Russia (as well as in much of the world) and there are (deadly) consequences.   You have a very Darwinian 'winnowing' process where the inept/incompetent are eliminated early on.  

 

Contrast this process to the US where the inept but well funded seem to actualy rise to the top.   Accomplishemnts and ability matter for little compared to connections and family.  George W. Bush would have faded into oblivion with his first bankruptcy but family and friends bailed him out.  His political career was based solely on his name - he had no accomplishments of note in his record.   Even H.W. would've found his future cut short what with his involvement in some very questionable endeavors.

The US has become an inbred oligarchy - and we all know how THOSE end up.....  look at who's being mentioned for 2016 - another Clinton, another Bush.....WTF?     but I suppose that one can argue that our 'leaders' are mere figureheads with those pulling the strings remain in the dark.  

Nonetheless, it's clear that whoever's actually running things is a parasite killing the host.  There's no way on earth that this can end well for anyone.  

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:54 | 5047144 trulz4lulz
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I agree, this has getten to be too stupid to not be on purpose. Its like throwing a bag of kttens into the river, they're finishing up putting the kittens in the bag. Time to tie'er up and take it to the river.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:03 | 5048511 tonyw
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The situation with yeltsin in charge was awful, assets were being sold off to criminals at rock bottom prices, threats were made against other bidders so a bunch of very nice oligarchs got control of assets worth many billions - similar to the situation in ukraine. These oligarchs were only interested in stealing as much as possible regardless of consequences and were trying to get into politics to have even more control. This was pretty much taken to extremes in ukraine the most corrupt country in europe where people fought to have one leader replaced then a few years later voted for a complete 180. During the last 15 years putin has cleaned up the situation and things have been improving for the people - note i'm not saying he is any sort of saint. Also during the last 15 years who has invaded the most countries or tried to overthrow their governments? Hint the same country that has been doing it for the last 100 years.

Read Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq by Stephen Kinzer, of course it needs updating.

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:39 | 5045663 I woke up
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years of inbreeding weakens the species

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:19 | 5045899 BigJim
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In a meritocracy, ethnocentric groups are llikely to achieve dominance, because as soon as a few of their members get into positions of power, they chose other members of the 'tribe' rather than the best person, who then do the same, and who then do the same...

Quality of leadership will go down for the same reason; ethnicity trumps talent.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:48 | 5046060 TheSecondLaw
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Now this is one of the best comments I've read in a long time.  Fell off my chair.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:39 | 5045660 spieslikeus
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sarc.....fixed it for ya

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045207 Bloppy
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Obama's far more worried about his birthday gifts, sorry to say.

Also, Hannity arrives in Israel: where's Russell Brand?

http://tinyurl.com/nsrz8ao


 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045208 El Vaquero
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If I were Putin, I'd put the troops on the border and then not do shit unless they were directly attacked.  I'd then wait until September or October, then announce that natural gas is going up in price to make up for the sanctions.  I'd also start settling oil and gas deals in something other than the dollar, quite possibly at a discount from dollar prices and then make it clear that the discount is because the sanctions aren't having an effect on non-dollar trade.  Making bypassing the dollar an appealing idea to trade partners, but making it voluntary could be a major blow to the US.  

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:57 | 5045319 Anarchy 99
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all good ideas but nothins is going to happen because Germany (and then Europe) economies would die, he cannot have a dead europe, just waiting for the inevitable divorce beetween europe and US, hint: Merkel is in the way, she either moves Germany's ties east or is replaced by someone who will.

all coming this fall.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:03 | 5045358 El Vaquero
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That's why I would make settling trade in non-dollars voluntary.  It would be giving Europe a choice - the US, or Russia.  It would also be making the choice easy if the non-dollar price is not raised vs raising the dollar price.  If Europeans don't trust the Ruble, then do it in something else.  Euros or Yuan or even PMs.  Whatever works, just so long as it isn't the dollar.  It is in Russia's best interests to end the stranglehold of the US via the dollar, and since Russia has the oil and gas, it has the leverage to do so.  It can even play the victim while not "forcing" the choice on Europe (yes, it will be a forced choice, but not in a "here's how it's going to be" way,) while watching the US have a shit fit.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:16 | 5045476 Anarchy 99
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everything you say makes sense "on the surface" and that is why it will not happen that way, too many heads (of state) will roll and that is also not going to happen, change will happen when those at the top (the invisible ones) will benefit, not suffer from it. years not months to get there.  2016-2018, after the us sheeple "elects" the next puppet to take the blame.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:56 | 5045762 Rootin' for Putin
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It would be fun for them to ask germany for payment in gold.  What do you mean the americans wont give it back to you?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:00 | 5046108 SDShack
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Like you say, it is probably already happening, and we just don't know about it yet. Your timeline could still be valid, but it will only be a confirmation of what has been going on for several years before.... meaning now.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:34 | 5045633 Urban Redneck
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The most important two words in the story from earlier today was anti-missile defense.

The ball is in Porky Pig's court but whether or not he actually has it is an open question.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:36 | 5045639 blackbeardz
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 El Vaquero   are you in Putin's head?

A border threat is almost as good as all out invasion when nobody knows what he will do next. That border is swiss cheese.

U.S. intel won't say what took down the airliner but a tank shell's origination will be no problem.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:18 | 5046417 StychoKiller
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Those troops could be there to keep Ukrainian refugees out as well!  (The great Ukrainian Deforestation™ is coming...)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:16 | 5047243 gallistic
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Fellow ZH'ers,

I just have to share this "best possible spin" from the BBC (British Brainwashing Corporation).

Fucking hilarious!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28637569

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5045229 knukles
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Hissy or sissy fit?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:42 | 5045236 El Vaquero
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One in the same when it comes to president stampy-feet.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5045256 Chief KnocAHoma
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A sissy hissy fit followed by teenage girl hormonal tantrum. Then he'll accuse Vlad of being a racist/homophobic woman hater and mock him for not being friends with JayZ and Bouncy.

I can hear him now - "That silly Russian can't even golf."

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5045269 Bunghole
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Vlad can probably hit a 9 iron 155.

Stompy probably needs his 4 iron or a hybrid.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:49 | 5045690 Lea
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Chief KnocAHoma, what you're saying is more or less the gist of the mainstream anti-Putin propaganda. The only adjectives you have forgotten are "tyrannical" and "autocratic". Ah, and there's the noun "oligarch", too.

The sorry thing is that such pathetic rhetorics work on plenty of gullible people.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:41 | 5045678 spieslikeus
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Six in one, half-dozen in the other

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5045267 Kirk2NCC1701
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Do Malaysian Airlines know they must take an even bigger detour around the region?

They don't have a very good record of flying safely, after all.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:42 | 5045687 ZerOhead
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The CIA is probably flying their planes for them..

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:05 | 5046338 RafterManFMJ
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Naw they got it figured out; all Malaysia commercial aircraft now fly nap of the Earth to their destinations.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:56 | 5045320 Bossman1967
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This president is so constipated he will draw the red line over and over and do notta. The ball less wonder thank god cause if john mc cane would have won 6 yrs ago we would be fucked so maybe having a president whose wife has more balls in this incident is a good thing but his mouth is connected to his ass. Now we can all go back to reading how the EU is gonna fail tomorrow

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:05 | 5046140 kill switch
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He's going to need a coupon for a case of depends.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:33 | 5045173 El Vaquero
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Youtube videos sprinkled with people telling us "trust us, there is this super-secret classified evidence that we have that you'll never see that proves that we are right."

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5045203 Herd Redirectio...
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Your skeptical nature belies your true identity as a terrorist.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045221 El Vaquero
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ALAN'S SNACKBAR!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5045326 Bastiat
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Good one.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:33 | 5045286 813kml
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Massing confirmed by Sarah Palin from rocking chair on front porch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz3W0muth5A

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:42 | 5045688 spieslikeus
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Saw it from her porch?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:22 | 5045796 813kml
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Correction noted, from her backyard.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:02 | 5047185 trulz4lulz
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Once Obombya sees this video and figures out Russia still uses horses for thier calvary, its on! <Right after this putt>

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5045204 JohninMK
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Here is an action map of the conflict, sorry its in Russian.

http://militarymaps.info/

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:43 | 5045695 spieslikeus
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That's ok, I can read it......uh......(crickets)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:45 | 5046033 Kamath
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If it's not on RT or ITAR-TASS, it didn't happen. That counts for basically everything on any subject these days. How long it will remain so remains to be seen. My guess, a pretty long time.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:29 | 5045148 spieslikeus
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Here we go.....

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:30 | 5045154 Thecomingcollapse
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Who blinks first? :-)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:30 | 5045156 Dick Gazinia
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Dammit Putin.  Barry needs a vacation.  Dont fuck his golf schedule.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:32 | 5045166 FieldingMellish
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No worry of that, I think.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:53 | 5045290 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not a true Awakening.  Judging by these numbers, the Bear is just rolling over, while having a bad dream.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:31 | 5045158 icanhasbailout
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what happens if you poke the bear with a pointy stick?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045212 Herd Redirectio...
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It depends, is it early March and the bear just woke up from hibernation, or is it mid-summer and the bear is at full-strength?

Full strength, you say?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5045264 Sudden Debt
Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:20 | 5045507 Volkodav
Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:13 | 5045449 Volkodav
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Well, some like quote this saying:

What does not kill you, will make you strong...

ok

except for Bears....Bears will kill you

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:31 | 5045159 Ness.
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That explains this stawk rally.  33K troops and a splash of ebola and we're off!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:32 | 5045160 Frank N. Beans
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meanwhile US markets at high of day, hey what, me worry?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:31 | 5045161 vyeung
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what do you expect Russia to do, just let the criminals in Ukraine run wild. Russia has the right to safe guard its own borders. Every legal country does. Too bad the US and its muppets think its above the law. Well, it isn't!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:35 | 5045187 Statetheist
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lol "legal country"

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:32 | 5045163 FieldingMellish
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Ahh... the world at peace... time for some new S&P highs.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:32 | 5045164 what's that smell
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seen this movie before.

what happened to the "worstest brutality barbarity since hitler" "putin's missile killed my dead baby" headlines?

unleash the old geezers!

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:33 | 5045168 Winston Churchill
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Are they just counting the Ukes deserters on the Russian side of the border ?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5045228 kowalli
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Hard to tell, more like they wait to ukraine invasion... this criminals can do anything to save their asses...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:34 | 5045176 Peter Pan
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Well I suppose armies are for protecting borders, so that is where he has the army. 

Or

The shortest distance between two nations is the border.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:44 | 5045186 JustObserving
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But Ukraine has hundreds of CIA agents and FBI agents and mercenaries from Blackwater.  And Nuland to bake cookies.  And McCain, the songbird of the Hanoi Hilton,  to give back them up.

Huge Population of CIA Agents in Ukraine Says German Expert

There is a huge population of CIA agents right now busy in Ukraine and the problem is again that in all these things that happened Washington is accusing Russia of having agents in Ukraine while it is the other way around

http://www.globalresearch.ca/huge-population-of-cia-agents-in-ukraine-sa...

Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.

The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:56 | 5045318 socalbeach
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American mercenaries and instructors are being hunted.  The 3rd American instructor was killed a few days ago, this news blurb repeats the story.

(04.08.2014)

In Mariupol destroyed the third American instructor

In the seaside Mariupol growing guerrilla movement. According to sources in the new Russia, in the city there are snipers militia. Portal "Military materials" informs about the sniping on punitive and foreign mercenaries and instructors, hunted in Mariupol.

American adviser from 180, recently arrived to Ukraine, was struck while swimming in the sea, and then plunged into the water and drowned, as occupational and associates, instead of trying to find a place to hide on the beach.

This is the third American instructor, killed in the former city of Zhdanov. Two American advisors have already been shot dead in Mariupol 24 July. As you know, four race-American blacks have been killed on the day during the battle under the Dubrovka...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045387 Duffy
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How many Israelis?  There are a couple to a few hundred, some folks have said...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:02 | 5045357 Herd Redirectio...
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Liars are funny like that.

They hear the accusations (rightly) levelled at them, and decide: "Hey, what if, instead of sitting here being accused, I went out and started accusing people of what they accuse me!"

So you are a thief: "Everyone's trying to take all my stuff all the time.  I was just taking it back."

You are a murderer: "He tried to kill me!"

And so on.  Basically, when dealing with liars, just listen to what they say, process the opposite, and then decide which is more likely.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:14 | 5045465 JohninMK
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Everyone is mortal, including the CIA, FBI and Acadami

Estimated foreign killed and wounded.

Does not include the 3 US soldiers shot so far by snipers and the reported death of M Gen Randy Kee and 3 others last week.


334 foreign mercenaries, including:
- "ASBS Othago" (Polish PMC) lost 139 people,
- "Greystone" (American PMC) – 44 people,
- "Academi" (American PMC, known as "Blackwater" until 2009) – 125 people,
- Baltic female snipers lost 26 people.

Source:
Igor Panarin, a political scientist, PhD in Psychology, Doctor of Political Sciences, member of the Academy of Military Sciences. Member of the Scientific and Methodological Council of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, a member of the Expert Council Committee on CIS Affairs of the Federation Council.
http://on.fb.me/1xRFpvM

Sourced via https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/timeline

Apparently after the US soldiers (seems they are special forces trainers) deaths, one as soon as they arrived from Kiev and 2 whilst swimming, half went back to Ft Benning and the rest demanded to be in a safer area.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:51 | 5045737 Winston Churchill
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Sounds about right.

US special forces never managed to complete the Brecon Beacons course the SAS uses.

That info was related to me in the 1980's, so it may have changed.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:16 | 5045881 Urban Redneck
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The numbers are interesting but they're coming from Panarin, master of information, psychological, psychotropic, asymmetrical, and just about every other odd but actual military science discipline. The possibilities make my head spin, which is often the point.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:39 | 5046010 Oil_City_News
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I wonder if this is true when they show the farm lands around the crash sight.

Monsanto Buys BLACKWATER the largest mercenary army in the world

http://southweb.org/blog/monsanto-buys-blackwater-the-largest-mercenary-...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:37 | 5045191 Duke Dog
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I'll tell you what, this ole boy is slicker than owl shit:)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:37 | 5045196 chunga
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Mykhailo Koval, deputy head of Ukraine’s National Defense and Security Council, spoke on Russian military buildup...

If he's the deputy where's the sheriff? Oh...he quit two weeks ago. Press release today?

Ukraine's security chief submits resignation — media

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743496

I just stumbled on this and put it in the obama cartoon story but it's better here.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:44 | 5045246 Duffy
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the prior guy quit after

Oleksandr Muzychko was murdered in what looked like the first, or at least most ostentatious wet work against the Nazis who helped the US/neocon backed coup in Kiev.

 

One has to wonder how "united" western Ukraine really is.  Presumably Svoboda understands who backed the coup, who the dual citizen oligarchs are.  But there are not, all in all, that many of them.  Kiev may just engage in a good old fashioned Bolshevik-like "purge".   Maybe they have been... I don't surf the Ukrainian blogosphere much...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5045315 chunga
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The west media spin on this has been unlike anything I can recall. Can you imagine the absurd headlines we'd see if there was a purge like that? What could they say then LOL!

Another election?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5045199 Dr. Engali
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Meh....... Did everybody get a chance to buy last week's WWIII dip?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045205 Duffy
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Ninja, please.

 

How many US troops does the US have within 1,000 miles of the Russian frontiers?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:14 | 5045473 Savyindallas
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They have the Alaskan National Guard -Isn't Sarah Palin still a reservist? That's scary.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:16 | 5045486 JohninMK
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Not enough.

Once they are on a C17 they could come from anywhere.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045210 Frankie Carbone
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The Day After Tomorrow is on YouTube.  I suggest you watch again everyone. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5045314 Bunghole
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The title is "The Day After" and that shit is weak sauce.  

Jason Robards and the other Hollywood fluffers couldn't make a believeable movie if their lives depended upon it. 

Try Threads if you want some bleak armageddon.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:44 | 5046283 Frankie Carbone
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"Weak sauce"? What pray tell, is that crap? What exactly does "weak sauce" mean, and do you have even a  modicum of self-respect where you might, just might refrain publicly from speaking like a wigger? 

Go take that shit over to the CNN comment section. You'll fit right in. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5045211 Space Animatoltipap
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Playing with the Russian grizzly is always risky. Just study some history ...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:43 | 5045215 jubber
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Market rallies uncontrolably on prospect of imminent War, Dow up 150 points

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:40 | 5045216 medium giraffe
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I'm sure we can rely on NATO to sit on its hands and not do anything provocative here.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:43 | 5045217 TalkToLind
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Comrades!  Y'all realize the sanctions against Russia are working, right?  I read it in a news article and shit:

http://news.yahoo.com/27-000-russians-stranded-abroad-tour-operator-fails-103444624.html

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:40 | 5045223 Space Animatoltipap
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Playing with the Russian grizzly is always risky. Just study some history ...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:53 | 5045291 crazybob369
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Useless to study history if you don't learn from it. It's always; "this time it will be different".

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:40 | 5045225 gcjohns1971
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33K troops for a country the size of Ukraine is not a lot.

160 tanks is also not a lot. 

 

Wake me up if the total crosses 100K troops.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:43 | 5045233 medium giraffe
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Numbers are rather dependent on the capability of your troops, I suppose.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:00 | 5045333 SmallerGovNow2
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And the limits of their mission/operational area...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:29 | 5045587 NoWayJose
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Undoubtly the Russians will occupy just Eastern Ukraine and leave the western part to rot.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:15 | 5046186 ChiangMai
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And, of course, the enthusiasm of the troops opposing them:

 

RT video [03:28] (in English):

Over 400 Ukrainian soldiers flee to Russia, ask for refuge

Excerpt (02:00 - 02:14):

Ukrainian soldier in the field: "Hi to Poroshenko. F*** him! This is the armour our army is using. This is the kind of junk they send us. What it is made from - metal? I think he made it himself, using a can. F****** businessman."

 

 

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:28 | 5045573 NoWayJose
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It only took a couple hundred Blackwater mercs to topple the elected government.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:48 | 5045718 Volkodav
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It is enough.

Fraction of that would kick the Ukrs back hard...

It is much more than the few thousand Seps that Ukrs don't want fight face to face cos they lose, even with 5X to 10X odds

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:44 | 5046420 gallistic
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"Unfortunately, Ukraine is on the very verge of a large-scale aggression from our northern neighbour. There are indeed Russian troops at the borders of Ukraine, the most powerful group being in annexed Crimea - 22,000 soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces. On our borders, from Chernihiv to Novoazovsk there are Russian units in four directions"
-Mykhailo Koval, ICTV, 4 Aug 2014

 

I am reminded once again, how badly the Ukrainians suck at propaganda; they always screw it up.

Fully 67% of the "Russian forces massed on Ukraine's border" are in Crimea. They would be there legally and well under the number authorized by treaty even if Crimea was still part of Ukraine!

Hyperbole much?

 

Just to give some perspective-

From 1972 to 1996, the US had the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and all its heavy Armor squadrons just minutes away from Mexico (Fort Bliss). The 3rd ACR had a mongasso-massive shit-load more than a mere 160 tanks, not to mention beaucoup MLRSs, self propelled artillery, an attack air squadron, and many more things.

This was at a time when there was no reason to have such a massive force on the border. Mexico was not shelling the US across the border and calling for the death of (US) Americans.

Yet, nobody was hyperventilating about a massed force on the border.

The other 33% of these "Russian Forces" are dispersed across a 1,226 mile long border and inside the sovereign nation of Russia.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:40 | 5045226 ZakuKommander
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Crying wolf for the 349th time

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5045231 orangegeek
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this is a none event - russia knows they will lose - they don't have the resources

 

the question is whether putin wants to sacrifice tens of thousands of lives

 

putin is whacked, so he may be ready to do so

 

drones will end this in a week

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:18 | 5045494 TabakLover
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How many wars have there been that many were sure they would be "over in a week/month".  The answer, too many to remember.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:30 | 5045594 tsuki
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They'll be greeted with flowers and candy, I tell ya. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:23 | 5045922 roadhazard
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Putin needs to put his shirt on and get to work if he's going to do it. Wait too long and you are just a poser. I'm going with he's a poser.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:54 | 5047104 gallistic
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Roadhazard, your short attention span theater simply does not cut it in the geo-political arena. Vladimir Putin can keep his shirt off and enjoy the rays for awhile longer before he has to put it back on and go to work, regardless of whether an insignificant idiot like yourself thinks he is a poser or not.

Make no mistake about it, absolutely no European country gives a shit about Ukraine. Neither does the US, beyond its shortsighted, self interested schemes.

Waiting could actually be a very smart move if you are facing something that is unsustainable, and will run its course in a very short time period. Waiting requires discipline, and that rare ability to keep your eye on the strategic goal and look beyond your immediate concerns and even tactics.

 

You see, in a few short months, the Devil will come calling to collect the rent.

 

When the IMF restrictions and impositions kick in, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When Ukraine finds many of its exports cut off from the Russian market and no takers in Europe, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When Russia cuts off all defense industry production in Ukraine and sets up the plants in Russia proper, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When the Hryvnia takes a beating and becomes close to worthless, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When Monsanto bribes the Verkhovna Rada and they modify the current laws to allow patented GMOs, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When ownership of anything productive or of value is transferred to foreign carpetbaggers and big capital, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When NATO starts setting up camp and makes their government a client for western weaponry at great cost, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When outside powers gain control of Ukraine's "government" and start making decisions for them, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When big Agro corporations move in and the the Latifundiums are established, many will be reduced to medieval serfs, and yes, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

The "liberalization" and unleashing of "free markets" on Ukraine will be shock therapy; the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

When the winter comes and there is no gas, or money to you know, actually pay for it, the Ukrainian people will not be happy.

I could go on with specifics, but I think this is enough to get the point across.

This is the "IMF Special" and it is not an original story. As a matter of fact, it has played out in many places, many times before.

If the Ukranians identify the true culprits and are not deceived into thinking it was Russia's doing, things will get very interesting...

and bloody.

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:11 | 5045232 socalbeach
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I'd be surprised if Russia attacks since the militia is winning, and the Kiev armed forces are disintegrating.  Why give Kiev the excuse of blaming the Russians for their defeat? But if Russia does attack maybe it has something to do with this:

(04.08.2014)

Kiev concentrated powerful military grouping under Donetsk

Kiev concentrated powerful military grouping under Donetsk. This is the official Twitter page of the Donetsk national Republic.

As informs DND, "the Ukrainian army pulled to the Donetsk hundreds of armored vehicles and artillery, tens of MLRS (Hurricane, Tornado, Hail), missile complex Tochka-U"", writes "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".

edit: another thing, it's Kiev claiming Russian troops are massing at the border.  They have not been a reliable source in the past.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:28 | 5045584 tsuki
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Russia will "attack" once the US State Department gets out the Winky Dink magic screen and draws some red arcing arrows. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:42 | 5045235 Raging Debate
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Some here posted on an agreement between Nato or Ukraine about 33,000 Russian troops on there border. Does anyone remember that mention or agreement?

In any case don't think we'll see hot major hot war in Ukraine or Europe until around 2018. I hope we never see it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:42 | 5045238 world_debt_slave
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DOW 33K

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:44 | 5045247 giggler321
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I do question as to whether Russia, NATO and for that matter the USA are really separate entities - from an elites perspective they all have a load of ants to rally and control.  On all sides there is a lot to loose if they loose control through say unmanaged financial crisis that frankly involves all of them.  An example that stands out is the preceived face of Israel in the news bombing Palestinian woman and children and like the rest of the West, all Russia has done is present a few stores.  Not one nation in the developed world comes out standing alone to say, stop or we will stop you  -  accept Iran who they all despise and would not after payment get their S300.  They're all in it together on some slightly agreed method forward and what happens between those points on a graph, just happen, family feuding no more.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:45 | 5045252 Frankie Carbone
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EVERYONE that disagrees with The State is a terrorist. Didn't see that one coming. Nope, no sirree! Two terrorists were arrested today for protesting without a permit...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5045254 WTFUD
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Leave it till winter Vlad ,although it will be difficult to make out the white flags against the background of the snow.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:45 | 5045255 caimen garou
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why the hell did you tell me that while i was in the sand trap, gi me a cig damn it!!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:47 | 5045261 Nevsky
Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:52 | 5045282 q99x2
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Joe Biden's son should quit while he is ahead.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:00 | 5045296 earleflorida
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Turkeys', Erdogan, has had it with the USSA and NATO. Period! Turkey has the 2nd largest [NATO]military only behind the USSA.

Although the Russian's aren't happy with the Muslim Brotherhood (MB)?, and... Erdogan's disgust with Egypt's al`Sisi's eviseration of the MB-- totally sanctioned by Israel's `USSA?... he's ready to jump on the Russian/Chinese bandwagon.

Note: Cyprus has already given the OK to join NATO in early 2013 after their financial meltdown. So... Turkey is Russia's Bosphorus key to the Mediterranean Sea and the ME Gulf?  *(Black Sea into Bosphorus Strait via the Sea of Marmara dumping into Turkey's prized 'Dardanelles Strait' into the Aegian Sea)

This move will happen if Erdogan win's the upcoming presidential election... and will? join the Sino-Russo Pact,... thus benefiting from the Silk-Road`Eurasian Alliance, in his own backyard mind-you, without mother USSA telling it's [his/ her] adopted siblings how to run their lives into the ground?

jmo

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:54 | 5045298 NoWayJose
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The map of Ukraine looks just like one of those German attacks in WWII where the Germans push forward only to expose themselves on the front and both flanks to the Russians. While tanks are more capable today, 160 tanks is a drop in the bucket - there were 6000 tanks at the battle of Kursk in WWII. That battle was fought over a large area covering -- Eastern Ukraine -- and the Russian victory pretty much sealed the fate of Germany. I doubt Obama knows this, but you can bet that Merkel does.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045386 Anarchy 99
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excellent comment. the us sheeple will not see the real meaning of this, but the europeans will. and this show is for the europeans to rise up against their unelected masters from brussels. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:10 | 5045422 Anarchy 99
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I would like to add that the us is the leashed (and controlled) attack dog that the european leaders, (not the visible ones) use as their muscle.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045391 Savyindallas
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Obama doesn't know shit  about anything. he just reads the script put in front of him  -like Bush and Clinton before him.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:10 | 5045432 Volkodav
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Does not matter if she know or not..nothing honorable comes....

Merkel does not act from what she knows. She act on what she is ordered to do.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:25 | 5045544 JohninMK
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Back in WW2 the tanks roamed everywhere, roads hardly existed. From the photo evidence of destruction now the tanks seem to be sticking to the roads to get from A to B.

The Russian victory at Kursk was much assisted by their being in position of the German's battle plans, courtesy of Enigma intelligence from Bletchley Park.

INTEL wins wars.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:55 | 5045308 ironmace
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haven't they been on the brink of invasion since the olympics ended?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:55 | 5045309 RadioactiveRant
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If it weren't for those pesky Russians Hitler might have finished the job.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:59 | 5045328 dobermangang
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If a European war starts, I wouldn't be surprised in North Korea then attacks South Korea.  China and Japan don't like each other either.  Maybe China attacks Taiwan.  Kyle Bass said it would all end in war.  Might be sooner and bigger than you think.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:04 | 5045363 Savyindallas
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And Israel invades Lebanon to get Hezbollah? Unlikely  -they will bomb the hell out of them instead  -jews got their asses handed to them last time they tried to invade.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045388 dobermangang
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Israel should probably attack Iran instead.  That's coming soon enough.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:24 | 5045540 tsuki
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They don't want Hezbollah.  They want them out of the way so they can annex Southern Lebanon to take the Litani. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:18 | 5045413 earleflorida
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never gonna happen, period!

china will capture-annex, formosa (ROC/ Taiwan), simply by economic dysentery, and/or attrition.

korea will always be China's buffer zone told when and how to ruffle thge feathers of a imperialist japan that is sinking into the sea from financial debt-- either japan capitulates to china, and/or they will perish not from china, but cannibalized by a rival archipelago... picking up the pieces.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:46 | 5051218 gallistic
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@dobermangang,

Have you got no self respect and/or the ability to make up your own mind?

I mean really, who (other than than muppets who gave Ass-Bass their hard-earned money) gives a flying fuck what this moron and kabuki buffoon says?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:04 | 5045367 WhyWait
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Map shows nothing new but a buildup in Crimea which Ukraine has sworn to retake.  All hype to get NATO involved.  

Collapse of Ukraine forces could resemble that of South Korea in 1950, a situation more closely resembling Ukraine today than most would imagine.  The drumbeat about a Russian buildup could be preparation for US intervention to save the Kiev government from a supposed Russian invasion - when the Kiev forces collapse.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:15 | 5047244 fleur de lis
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If NATO gets mixed up in Crimea that will be their biggest mistake. The Russians will clobber them.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:07 | 5045397 nosuchnick
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Oh Dear... Russia is invading its own borders again!

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