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China Warns "What We Do Or Don't Do [In The South China Sea] Is Up To Us, Noone Else"
Having spied on RIMPAC for a week or two, it appears the Chinese imperialist rhetoric is rising once again. China can build whatever it wants on its islands in the South China Sea, Reuters reports a senior Chinese official said on Monday, rejecting proposals ahead of a key regional meeting to freeze any activity that may raise tensions in disputed waters there: "what China does or doesn't do is up to the Chinese government. Nobody can change the government's position." Of course, after showing what is at stake here, it should hardly be surprising that China is pushing back again. But don't worry, China's Ocean Affairs minister added "trust in us Asian people to use Asian means and wisdom to resolve our own problems."
Southeast Asian foreign ministers this week hold security talks with counterparts, including those from the United States and China, in Myanmar, with escalating tensions over maritime disputes in Asia likely to be a major issue.
Yi Xianliang, deputy head of the Chinese Foreign Ministry's Boundary and Ocean Affairs Departments, told reporters that China had every right to build on its islands as a way of improving basic living conditions there.
"The Spratly Islands are China's intrinsic territory, and what China does or doesn't do is up to the Chinese government. Nobody can change the government's position," Yi said.
It was a double standard to bring this issue up now when other countries had been doing similar things for years, he added.
"Why is it that when other countries wantonly build airports, nobody says a word? But China has only this year started small and necessary construction, to raise living conditions on the islands - and so many people raise doubts."
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"Trust in us Asian people to use Asian means and wisdom to resolve our own problems," Yi said.
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The way it's going, Obama may have another 6 months in office before being forced to resign.
Let's not forget imperial Chinese ships explored those islands hundreds of years before Vietnam or the Philipines even existed as nations.
Correct, that is true.
What actually matters is whether Chinese navy can beat US Navy out of the area
This is another part of our world that is going to provide a lot of entertainment in the years to come.
Do you define entertainment as dead American soldiers do chen?
Maybe he was defining entertainment as a bunch of dead commies?
"This is another part of our world that is going to provide a lot of entertainment in the years to come."
Correction - "in the months to come"
hmmm...
Asian Wisdom vs. Kenyan Wisdom
wow...thats a no brainer. (no pun intended)
Absolutely right. But the current trend does not provide any comfort to the US. Does Obama care? I guess not.
"Let's not forget imperial Chinese ships explored those islands hundreds of years before Vietnam or the Philipines even existed as nations."
Which one is Hammas and which one is Isreal again? Oh right, doesn't matter. Almost every mammal on the planet fights over land. I piss in my backyard every night. Just to make sure.
:-)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYKrNptzXw
Who's land?
http://vimeo.com/50531435
This land is mine
Great links.
Reminds me that Obama took the American version -- "This land is my land, this land is your land..." -- to a bit of an extreme.
This thread needs some references to President Monroe ...
Go ... go ... gadget ... diplomat trolls!
Regards,
Cooter
China's so-called historic claims are based on the nine-dash line put out by the Guomindang (the govt that lost in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan) in the 1940s. Maps made before and during the Qing dynasty only show Hainan--nothing more.
Expansionism it is.
They also suposedly explored North America before Christopher Columbus, so what
Is that a bet? How much you want to lay down on that? That motherfucker is going NOWHERE.
If he continues to oppose interventions and cutting military, I think neocons will become forceful and congress will side with neocons.
Reminder, dems have neocons also, like Clintons, who are unleashed against Obama now.
NoDebt
That is my guess as well.
You want your Obama? You'll keep your Obama!
He is doing and accomplishing exactly what he has been tasked to do and accomplish.
Something to think about: If Obama were a real pol, would he be doing what he is doing regarding the immigration thing and also openly importing Ebola patients right before an important mid-term election?!
He's a CIA manchurian candidate.
Obama has been doing, is doing, and will do exactly what he's ordered to do. He's a Very Good Boy.
I'm more concerned there will be a JFK moment.
To those that challenge the claims of China, look no further than how far Guam and other islands are from mainland USA. Or consider even Tahiti and the French, or Diego Garcia and the Brits, or even the British Virgin Islands.
I am surprised the Chinese dont point these issues out.
I think the Chinese to make their point should stake a claim to Diego Garcia, that should highlight the fact the islands are a loooong way away from the UK. Falkland Islands another example.
Don't forget Japan and South Korea, two self-governing American colonies even closer to China.
And everybody wonders why China doesn't close North Korea down.
Perhaps the Chinese government simply does not have enough intelligent, highly educated people to out-think, out-play, out-smart the propaganda apparatus and hypocrits in the US and Europe
Oh believe me they do, this century belongs to China/Asia
I have watched English programs / news on Chinese TV channels. The quality of production is 3rd rate at best. They are inferior when compared to, say, RT (Russia Today), in almost every aspect.
Worse still, Chinese TV program producers are copying the worst from some Western media, i.e. long, useless, worthless graphics and bombastic leading or background music, which serve absolutely no meaningful purpose except wasting viewer's time. The Chinese perchant for form over substance has gone unabated. The result has been a persistent bad taste in form, and persistent inferior presentation of the substance.
I have not seen one fluent English speaker (free of accent) from any of the Chinese TV news programs, unlike RT, where there are at least a dozen.
As for countering Western propaganda, especially anti-Chinese propaganda (including false accusations), I haven't noticed anything effective being done on a strategic level or tactical level.
Chinese English TV program producers can learn a thing or two from RT (Russia Today).
You have to be kidding! British claims to the Falklands are based on the islanders wanting to remain British. If the locals ever voted for independance then London would say congratulations on your new country and you are welcome to join the Commonwealth as an equal.
Do the Spratleys and other islands have local residents? Would China respect their wish to become a sovereign nation?
If the residents of Guam voted for independance I doubt that the US would use force of arms to blocktheir choice. As it is they want to remain under US control because it is economically favourable and because they don't want to go it alone. Britain, France and the US have all agreed to independence to former Pacific colonies, China has never done that.
British claims to the Falklands are based on the islanders wanting to remain British.
This is clearly an illegal act. Why when the people of Crimea voted to remain part of Russia, the USSA, the EU, NATO, and every other running dog lackey of the imperial pumpmasters immediately invoked sanctions, large scale military manoeuvres, draconian red lines, and scathing comments just short of outright war. Even Chief Golf Cart expressed his displeasure. So "wanting" and "voting" and "self-determination" are clearly off the table when you come up against the unified golf carts of the glorious one percenters. And David Cameron too!
Those are territories you are talking about. China is claiming land far from its coast. That would be like the US claiming all the water in the Caribbean.
I have an even better one than the Falklands for you- the rock of Gibraltar.
The damned thing is connected to the Spanish mainland!
Am I being too simplistic connecting the dots between this story and the previous one (China services PMI crashes)?
No, that is, actually, the story. The worse their economy gets, the more bellicose the government becomes. Saber-rattling is a better economic indicator than any number published by the Chinese government.
Unlike our government.
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He was further quoted as saying "Besides, who's going to stop us? You?"
What about Taiwan ???
The wayward princess will return to her fathers loving arms,,and nothing will stand in the way of that return.
This is as shocking of a statement from the US stating that they will what they will do in the Gulf, Pacific or the Atlantic would be up to anyone else but the US.
Looked at a certain way, the ten-dash line looks like the rooster (Greater China) has grown a very big dick.
If China really attempts any kind of expansionist policies it will be the first time in 5,000 years.
Usually they're, y'know, building walls to keep others out.
Tibet was only 60 years ago.
And northern India was only 52 years ago.
True about Tibet.However Dalai lama has always been a CIA agent.Also check the level of poverty of Tibetan before chinese takeover.India(1962) is quite different .Those lines were drawn by stan's spawn i.e. British empire.
About 200 years before Attila the Huns brought ruin to the European continent and ended the Romans, China wiped out the Huns and took their land for good. Their wall worked well for them. Huns couldn't even leave a dent in Chinese history.
Not even the Mongols, look at the Mongol empire, gone, the Chinese are as big if not bigger than they have ever been. So I would say China is BACK.
Well, Mongols were different from Huns. From very early days of Mongol conquest, they were a mixture of Mongols and Northern Hans. Kublai Khan split Hans (Current main component of China) into Hans and Southerners just to reward the part of Hans who joint his conquest and contributed. Han ethnicity was reserved for Northern Hans only. Mongols would have lasted longer if they were not so bad at governance.
In some ways you are right but, the Qing dynasty expanded its land borders farther than at anytime in Chinese history (that was of course also due to population increase). For millenia, China has been a 'closed country' in the sense that no one was allowed to leave and population (under threat of the wako or Japanese 'bandits')was removed from the coastal areas.This is clearly documented in China's Tongzhi or local records. Chinese fishermen were coastal sailors not blue water sailors with the exception of the somewhat spurious accounts of Cheng Ho. That exceptional example, if true, proves the point. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the Chinese diaspora gained steam due to the Taiping rebellion when Chinese merchants and 'coolies' moved throughout southeast Asia and to America (Gold Mountain) and many parts of south America. Afterall, the last Empress Tzi Hsi built a marble boat in Beijing rather than face the external threats to the dynasty. Rather ironic that.
What is happening today is clearly power politics and expansionism. That only invites resistence from the former 'tributary states' that also have self-determination now after centuries of western and eastern imperialism. This hardening stance by China is provocative and counterproductive in maintaining peaceful relations in the region.
What a bunch of rubbish. So when Kublai Khan twice attempted invasion of Japan with thousands of ocean going vessels carrying thousands of troop, horses and supplies circa 1200s AD that was a coastal navy? Man I dont know who you lame a-holes are coming around here and sounding all knowing and expousing this kind of junk. Do you mofos work for the US state dept? China had an ocean going navy thousands of years before the USA ever did.
look up a chinese admiral who sailed with a huge fleet to Madagascar.
I'm having a laugh. Kublai Khan wasn't Chinese and what happened to that so-called Navy sailing across the East China sea? Perhaps George Washington sent him a sternly worded message via a time machine to decommission his navy.
Come back and play when you finish your home work assignment.
I have always wondered how people define Chinese. I believe China classifies 50 (?) ethnic groups as the composites including Mongolian, Manchus and Han, etc. Do people equal Han with Chinese? But people should know Han is a mixture of all ethnic groups by itself and never identify themselves as an interest group unless in the scope of Chinese. History shows Northern Han joins force with Mongols, Manchurian and Chitan much more readily than with its southern counterpart. Considering the Capital of Mongol Empire was Beijing and the fact that Outer Mongolia just broke out of China 60 years ago by Russia with 80% of Mogolians are still in China, it is hard to say Mongols are not Chinese. I heard that China still organizes the memorial event to Gengis Khan regularly sometimes together with Mongolia Republic.
Those down votes are from people who haven't studied history. China has "never" attacked another country first.
Lebensraum
Everyone in or near that china sea should join and become part of China, this will solve all the issues with territory, and since they are a part of china they will all get the same economic benefit while china grows with the resources in that area. Everyone will get protection from China because they are part of her, what's not to like? I mean you just have to give up your countries name and identity and pick up a new citizenship paper..besides all those eastern Asian people looked alike its easy for them to mangle.
I guess the only ones who won't like this arrangement are those politicians and kings in those little terroritories.
Never thought about it like that befvore, actually a good idea......
Except we (USA) like to keep the competition small and fuked up so they are not a threat...
Easy to beat an airforce with bi-planes with an F-35 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't those new F35's have a problem turning and climbing?
well, they're airborn, so there's a positive.
"...easy for them to mangle. ''
Huh?
It means that all look alike.... I mean have you look at jap and Chinese vs Korean and Vietnamese? They look similar only some of them have more sun tan than others.
Yeah, like those ultra organized Japanese would get along with those no-class Chinese. Or those open, Latinized/Westernized Filipinos can get along with those submissive, closed-minded Chinese. They may look the same, but they are as different as Americans to Russians.
China must have not been too impressed by RIMPAC.
huh, I thought RIMPAC was an adult entertainment category
US subs can polish off the Chinese "navy" including their one second hand carrier in a matter of hours.
Feeling lucky, chinks?
I read similar wordings from US generals prior to both Vietnam and Korean wars. Never underestimate your enemy. Chinese subs carry enough nukes to turn US into a fireball. They have a lot of them. I think their aircraft carrier is just for show. I doubt they will use against US.
Got brain damage due to toxins from iPads?
Stop chewing on iPads, retard.
Are you referring to surface ships only ? What about the 5th generation sub fleet which was fully deployed several months ago, you know, the new subs the Chinese press boasted could strike anywhere on US soil ? Wonder why they didn't say could strike anywhere in the world ?
Tyler, please. It's "no one." There is no such word as "noone." TIA
Foreign leaders just love bitch slapping Reggie's play thing. It's a new fad. And so rewarding.
I would use an old bit of wisdom with the Chinese, "You can choose your actions but you cannot choose the consequences."
Sum ting wong.....
Q99X2 says time to head for the hills M'Fers
"Ah, hey round eye... maybe you no listen... China want to build on islands in the South China Sea."
Quote from Hu Flung Pu
Give the US Navy a 100 year lease for the Spratley Islands and let's see how tough the Chinese really are.
Lease from whom? The Chinese will never lease anything to the white man again lol. And who is going to build anything on those islands. Whitey is too lazy to build under the hot noon day sun.
The gooks don't own the fucking islands.
China has carried out reclamations in the Spratlys that has contested claims with the Philippines. Their mouth piece said:that China had every right to build on its islands as a way of improving basic living conditions there.
Notice the "its' islands. Also, 'Hong Kong media have reported that China is planning to build an air base on Fiery Cross Reef', though Yi the 'spokesperson' has no knowledge of this. LOL.
are you referring to Obama?
Lemme Guess...
Mebbe BRN, MYS, VNM, and PHL are long Anti-Ship Missiles and Mines right about now, with PHL contemplating if they're going to let the USA station Troops there again as a Insurance Package at the expense of the Scoundrels from among the Troops ravishing their Women all over again.
I notice the US is scared to mess with China economically like it is with Russia, lol.
U.S. & Co. are trying to destroy Russia before China gets wise and figures they're next. Doesn't look like China is that stupid.
"trust in us Asian people to use Asian means and wisdom to resolve our own problems", once translated to english, means "Yanks keep out. We're only going to say this once".
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At that rate the good ol' USA is also Chinese territory if you go by Gavin Menzies work. (from Wikipedia) book 1421: The Year China Discovered the World, in which he asserts that the fleets of Chinese Admiral Zheng He visited the Americas prior to European explorer Christopher Columbus in 1492, and that the same fleet circumnavigated the globe a century before the expedition of Ferdinand Magellan. Menzies' second book, 1434: The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance extended his discovery hypothesis to the European continent.
I only downvoted you because Mr. Menzies is a bit on the creative side, and somewhat divorced from "facts", as in matters that can be established by examining evidence and records. His is a good yarn, though. BTW I am no China-basher.
It is laughable to claim Cheng’s fleet discovered America. However, everyone is entitled to his opinion. One good thing is Cheng He’s arrival stimulated the desire for Spanish to discover an alternative route to China since middle Asia was a dangerous place as it has always been. Columbus underestimated the radius of the earth and wrongly identified the natives as Indians. But he got more than he wanted.
Should really be a non discussion. There's a reason it's called the south China sea.
Just more Shit stirring from the Anglo/American war machine. China have onyx missile system. They can take out the U.S.navy within 5 mins. Same situation existed in Iran where Russia supplied them.
"Noone"? That's "No One". Please, let's at least get the headlines right!
"Asia for Asians." Does anyone remember Imperial Japan's Co-Prosperity Sphere (their version of the Monroe Doctrine) from WWII?
Something tells me this will not end well.
Of course, like PM's, if you don't hold it, you don't own it.
Same as it ever was.
"small and necessary construction, to raise living conditions on the islands"
Is that why they are dredging sand to "build" the island for that new airfield? Exactly what is "small" about pumping enough sand to construct an airfield on what had been a barely above the waves islet?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-19/china-builds-artificial-islands-in-south-china-sea
Guess I just don't translate Chinese very well. " Asian means and wisdom" must mean Might makes Right.