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Guest Post: What Happens Next In The Middle East?

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Submitted by James H. Kunstler via,

That tractable beast, World Opinion, was apparently looking the other way when US video war-gamers blew up wedding parties and donkeys by remote control in Pakistan, Yemen, and Afghanistan, not to mention the now long ago shock-and-awe bombardment of poor innocent Iraq. It’s not paying much attention these days to the remorseless advance of ISIS (or ISL or the Islamic State) as it cuts a psychopathic swath through the Middle East marked by wholesale executions of civil servants, beheadings of “infidels,” and the occasional crucifixion of suspected enemies and traitors. UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon is so busy issuing condemnations of Israel that he has forgotten to ask Hamas the elementary question: What part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?

Demonic forces are on the loose again now one hundred years after Europe blew itself apart for no good reason. (Why? Because some young Serbian nobody killed the heir to the Austrian throne on a back street in Sarajevo?) Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now. Here in the depraved and disintegrating USA, we pretend that Afghanistan threatens our national interest from 7,000 miles away while denying that Russia has any business with its crumbling next-door neighbor (and former province), Ukraine — the crumbling of which was bought and paid for by the US Department of State and CIA.

The long sobering aftermath of World War Two is over now and World Opinion can once again assume the role of a rough beast slouching toward cataclysm. Starting from the premise that nothing is funnier than unhappiness, how funny is it that the US affects to manage the great demographic upheavals of the Middle East and Europe while it can’t even protect its own citizens from the still-florid looting and swindling operations of Wall Street — not to mention the wholesale renting of congressmen, cabinet secretaries, supreme court justices, and White House aides by US chartered corporations?

World Opinion is easily massaged by grandstanding around children who have been put in harm’s way deliberately by cynical adults. The UN was, shall we say, less than fastidious about Hamas stashing rockets and other war materials in their Gaza schools. In fact, they didn’t make peep — for years — and now they dare squawk that these arsenals are being targeted, even as Hamas continues its rocket attacks? Did these UN morons ever grok the possibility that they were being played? And, of course, not to change the subject too harshly but note also how children are being used to play the suspension of US immigration laws by cynical US political party hacks. Despite the dishonest pleadings of undocumentarians, what part of… illegal immigrant… remains unclear,?

Here is what I think is going to happen now.

Israel will withdraw from Gaza.

Hamas’s war-making ability has been deeply degraded for a while, but any further rocket attacks will be answered in kind. Perhaps the citizens of Gaza will rethink who they want to have as leaders.

The action will shift back to the ISIS swath across Syria and Iraq. ISIS has become a juggernaut, seizing enough money and valuable assets like oil and gas fields to greatly expand its vicious operations. You can say this about ISIS: they are very plain about their objective: to reestablish a fundamentalist caliphate — that is, to return to the eleventh century.

Personally, I think the Middle East is primed for exactly that outcome, since its brief adventure as a wealthy, modernized oil-producing region is reaching its natural limits.

The very specter of that fate is enough to destabilize the fragile political arrangements there, and may actually hasten the arrival of those natural limits as the activities of ISIS shuts in the necessarily rational operation of the companies that run the oil wells, pipelines, transport terminals.

Watch what it does to capital markets, without which oil production founders anywhere.

Speaking of capital markets, keep your eyes on the US indexes. Never has so much fragility-in-motion come so close to an implacable wall of consequence. All hell seems to be breaking loose.


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Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:19 | 5044167 LawsofPhysics
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"Glass desert", with a few "pumping stations"....


Just trying to be optimistic...




As for this comment "ISIS has become a juggernaut, seizing enough money and valuable assets like oil and gas fields to greatly expand its vicious operations."

replace "ISIS" with "CIA-operatives" and things make about just as much sense.  Same as it ever was...


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:25 | 5044217 power steering
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The El Fruit Bat Loco chain folds?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:45 | 5044634 ZerOhead
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If ISIS is such a threat (and it seems to be) then why did Israel train them?

And if so then don't they share some resposibility for this continuing carnage?


Snowden NSA disclosures once again show that Abu Bakr was in fact trained by... yup... you guessd it...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:15 | 5045080 sarz
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The Moroccan Times piece is nonsense. There is no source given for the claimed Snowden statement on Abu Bakr, and search for one yields nothing. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:26 | 5044220 zorba THE GREEK
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Bomb them all, let God sort them out.,

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:29 | 5044241 Winston Churchill
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Agreed. Lets start with Jerusalem ,and work down.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:30 | 5044239 DoChenRollingBearing
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Kuntsler writes:

"Perhaps the citizens of Gaza will rethink who they want to have as leaders."

Bearing comment: Forget it, not a chance

* * *

Kuntsler ignores the massacres/forced conversions of the oldest Christian communities in the world (Chaldean Christians and Assyrians) now being perpetrated by the new Islamic State.



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:43 | 5044309 Duffy
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he's a zionist jew - he doesn't give a fuck about the clear and vivid evidence that western-backed Salafist terror proxies were targeting Christians.


Nor did the MSM nor did the Evangelical Judaized "Christians" who are sure the rapture is just around the corner, but are still sending Junior to Sunday School to learn all about hating Papists, towelheads, and faggots...


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:17 | 5044493 Kirk2NCC1701
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Evangelical Judaized "Christians".  Good one, Duffy.

Part of the Controlled Opposition.  Aka 'Useful Fools'.  They are also perfect Wind-Up-Toys, who will fight/kill other 'Christians', Muslims, or others (with an "abundantly joyful heart") and "Doing God's Work" -- if wound up and pointed in whatever direction.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:36 | 5044590 Rikky
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>>Evangelical Judaized "Christians" who are sure the rapture is just around the corner, but are still sending Junior to Sunday School to learn all about hating Papists, towelheads, and faggots


that right there shows your ignorance.  maybe you want to educate yourself on what being a Christian really is by reading about the person who it's based on, Jesus Christ.  Bible's are plentiful in the West.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:31 | 5045961 MoneyThimbles
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You can't just be a Christian by picking up a Bible, imagining up your own doctrine, and putting on fancy academic gowns and shouting "Jesus!", while ignoring and reviling the church that Christ himself actually founded. Modern American extreme protestant sects are just nonsensical inventions of businessmen more concerned with shaking down ignorant, superstitious people for tax-free dollars than with doing God's work. Their vile spewings against God's Vicar on Earth, the Holy Father, is proof of that.


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:13 | 5045455 yochananmichael
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better a zionist Jew than a pagan who deifies one.

 damn you guys are dumd. if my brother who considered you dogs is a god, than i am an arch angel. what kind of nation would deify a dead Jew? obviously one whose collective intelligence is far lower than their gods people.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:47 | 5044331 TahoeBilly2012
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What you think the Luciferian West is going to stop that?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:25 | 5044511 Kirk2NCC1701
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Q: What happens next?

A:  "Read my lips and watch my charts" - BB Nuttynyahoo, Gen. III Zionist*

p.s.  Yo, 'bama.  Bounce, bitch!  - J. Pinkman



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:54 | 5045750 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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ISIS video:

NOT safe for folks with weak stomachs.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:18 | 5044173 Eireann go Brach
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Obams gets a 2nd Nobel Peacer Prize? John Kerry wins the Kentucky Derby?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:33 | 5044259 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL!  Comment of the day?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:46 | 5044176 Dr. Engali
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What happens next? Why, we liberate them of course. We bomb the shit out of them until they embrace freedom and democracy. Hey wait........

I can still hear that sick fucker's voice in my head saying "freedom is on the march".

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:22 | 5044192 I Write Code
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Kind of a random editorial.  Afghanistan *did* threaten the US from 7,000 miles away, or don't you recall?  Though most of the participants were actually Saudi.  Thanks at least for remembering to mention Hamas.

What happens next?  Who knows.  Lot of nasty stuff, probably.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:56 | 5044381 NoDebt
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ALL of the participants were Saudi, my friend.  All.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:28 | 5044549 aardwolf
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What a load of fucking rubbish!!





Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:07 | 5044767 BuddyEffed
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Total melting wasn't necessary.  When heated, steel loses strength, softens, and can deform.  Once deformation started and things got out of alignment, the inertia of that much mass from above moving was unstoppable.  With the weight not perfectly centered anymore, the forces were actually reinforcing deformation.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:11 | 5045436 yochananmichael
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we averager 15-40 points higher in IQ than the rest of the world , moron.

 only a nation of morons would deify and worship a dead Jew or any human being.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:47 | 5045717 RichardP
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You could benefit from some research.  Not too many in your nation of morons worship a dead jew or a human being.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:09 | 5045426 Hugh G Rection
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ALL of the *patsies were Saudi...


So I guess you haven't heard about their Mossad handlers living next door in Hollywood Florida?  Probably no idea about Urban Moving Systems, Mossad truck bombs on 9/11, or the Israeli art student spy ring?

In your world does jet fuel melt steel?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:22 | 5044200 Bawneee Fwank
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Who fucking cares...Get the fuck out!!  My entire damn life its been about the middle east, im sick of it.  Just think of the money the .gov has stolen from US taxpayers in my lifetime and passed it along to all these third world shit holes. Im sick of there ALWAYS having to be some boogie man! 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:48 | 5044334 froze25
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Second that!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:47 | 5044945 Kirk2NCC1701
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Did you miss the classes*[1] where it was explained that our Fiat Monetary System REQUIRES Growth?

Our system therefore requires a Bogeyman for the endless taxation, which 'pays' for Gov growth and growth in Debt.

p.s.  Presumably you have heard of "Money makes the world go 'round"?  And do you know about the famous quote from the founder of the Rothschild dynasty*[2]?

I think that a lot more can be explained, when attributed to profit or greed, than to most other causes, since levels of incompetence or malice vary much more from person to person, than does the motive for profit or greed.


*[1] Chris Martensen, Mike Maloney, etc.

*[2] "Give me control of a country's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws" - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Money Changer cum Banker @ Haus Zum Roten Schild (Rothschild), Judengasse, Frankfurt am Main, Deutschland.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:22 | 5044201 WTFUD
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Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:31 | 5044246 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes.  AMFs!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:52 | 5044982 Kirk2NCC1701
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Nationalize the Fed

Relocate the UN to Switzerland

Break NATO into 2: into Continent-based defense treates (NATO --> N.Am.Treaty Org, EU Treaty Org)

Much more pragmatic, and realistic.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:24 | 5044204 suicidalpsychologist
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Nothing will happen. For global wars to start you need economic collapse first. As long the economy is still working, no global war.


The only way to find a solution to islam is to eradicate it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:23 | 5044206 Xandrino
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Perhaps the citizens of Gaza will rethink who they want to have as leaders.


Israel you mean I hope

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:43 | 5044218 JustObserving
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James Howard Kunstler has always towed the neocon line on American wars in the middle east on behalf of Israel.  Why the change in tone? Have you conveniently forgotten who destabilized the region?

 Saddam had a good ten years to obtain, study, experiment with, fabricate, distribute, sell, lend, or hide all kinds of deadly devices and substances. The fact that we haven't found fissionable material or stockpiles of smallpox or sarin gas should not necessarily lead to the conclusion that they never existed. Rather, I'd wonder to whom might they have been given or sold, or where they were stashed. The failure to turn up WMDs also does not mean that we had no reason to invade Iraq and topple Saddam.


 The purpose of our Iraq project was to stabilize the Middle East by creating a successful buffer state between Iran and Pakistan to the east and the nations west of Iraq, especially Saudi Arabia.


Nice use of the word project for an illegal war that killed and injured millions

I regard the 9/11 conspiracy theories as a fantasy and a distraction from the real problems we face.


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:48 | 5044332 Duffy
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Obviously, if Zionism is synonymous with patriotism in Israel, it cannot be an acceptable label in American politics, where it would mean loyalty to a foreign power. This is why the neoconservatives do not represent themselves as Zionists on the American scene. Yet they do not hide it all together either. Elliott Abrams, Deputy National Security Adviser in the administration of Bush’s son, wrote in his book Faith or Fear (1997): “Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart — except in Israel — from the rest of the population”.


It is hard to come with a better definition of Zionism, the corollary of which is the apartheid practiced against non-Jewish peoples in Palestine, defended in the same year by Douglas Feith in his “Reflections on Liberalism, Democracy and Zionism”, pronounced in Jerusalem, defending the right of Israel to be an “ethnic nation”: “there is a place in the world for non-ethnic nations and there is a place for ethnic nations”.

 -  {thanks to whomever it was who first linked this here}

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:56 | 5044389 HippieHaulers
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Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I think ZH has answered this question for us in their rules of engagement. The idea that criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic stifles speech and the truth. 

Just saying. (Hope I don't get banned.)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:08 | 5045046 Kirk2NCC1701
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It bears repeating that "Anti-Semitism" is the WRONG WORD, since Palestinians are Semites also.  Use "Anti-Zionism" instead.

The correct term, that Zionists (a political, not religious ideology) do not want people to use, is Anti-Zionism or Anti-Revisionist-Zionism.  They don't want you to use the technically correct words, because it removes their verbal Camouflage, and lays naked the shame of their double-standard (hermaphroditic) agenda and policies toward fellow Semites:  Palestinians. 

Insofar someone wants to add a historic claim they first have to lay a "Genetic Claim" of ancestry to the region, i.e. that a specific Israeli Jews has a higher level of indigenous Semitic DNA, than does an indigenous Arab/Palestinian -- if we add that to the mix of Talking Points that should matter.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:53 | 5045747 RichardP
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Insofar someone wants to add a historic claim they first have to lay a "Genetic Claim" of ancestry to the region ...

Really?  Why not just look at the historical writings that discuss Rome driving the Jews out of Jerusalem and destroying their Temple?  Is that not history??  Does that not support a historical claim?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:26 | 5044224 pragmatic hobo
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i think at this point the only people supporting israel and their "rights" are the jews and the us congress ... the rest of the world is appalled by the brutality and criminal activity of israel and their killing of civilians in gaza ...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:27 | 5044227 john39
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this piece is crappy propaganda....  ISIS has the U.S./Israeli finger prints all over it.   nice try and trying to draw attention away from the on-going slaughter and genocide in Palestine though.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:39 | 5044599 ZerOhead
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And it's hard to expand current geographic area Israel when no-one on your border will attack you. When ISIS comes back through Jordan to confront Israel it's finally Greater Israel time!

After all why would the Mossad train the ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:26 | 5044882 BigJim
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Yes, Israel has always used attacks on it by other Arab nations as an excuse to grab yet more land from Palestinians.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:09 | 5045411 yochananmichael
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jews are the plestinians not the arab invaders.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:44 | 5046030 BigJim
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Palestinians are the rightful descendants of the Judeans, not the European invaders.

There, FIFY.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:53 | 5044696 The Phallic Crusader
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ISIS definitely has western intelligence agency/state support.  The specifics are hard to ascertain, but Mossad and CIA might be so operationally linked [or CIA so compromized by zio infiltration] that to speak of one is simply to speak of the other...


The Kennedy murder seems more and more to me to have had  LBJ/CIA/Mossad involvement.  Turns out LBJ had an extensive Jewish background which he almost certainly knew about but kept hidden. Some articles on the web refer to him as "the first Jewish president".   Israel's nuke program accelerated swiftly under LBJ, and the US government stopped daring to print its own money.  Then there was Viet Nam...


LBJ was likely the first Zionist president.


Wilson was just bought and paid for - but all in all, between ww1 and the Fed, may have been the most destructive presidency ever, over and above Lincoln or Bush/Obama, or the brief but deep stupidity of Carter...



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:19 | 5044834 StormShadow
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"LBJ was likely the first Zionist president."

JFK was the last president of the US who was not a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:31 | 5044243 Bemused Observer
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You are right about Hamas and the rockets...these clowns keep firing the damned things into Israel's back yard, of COURSE the Israelis will respond!

But, that being said, Israel holds a lot of the blame for the way things have gone, and they have dropped the ball when it comes to winning over the average Palestinian, who is NOT a member of Hamas, and has no control over what they do. By alienating that Palestinian, they have driven him TO Hamas. Had they chosen other methods, they could have gotten that Palestinian closer to their side of the issue.

But Israel has adopted the attitude that all Palestinians should be made to suffer for the sins of the extremists, even blowing up the homes of a terrorist's family, even if they are not guilty of anything.

Bad move Israel! Stunningly bad, I'd say...I guess they don't have a "winning hearts and minds" philosophy over there in the Holy Land.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:07 | 5044443 I Write Code
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Islam has resisted "hearts and minds" approaches for 1,500 years, they kill any Moslem who cooperates.  Israel happens to be on the front lines of this.

Remember always, the "Palestinians" had their own country for five minutes in 1948 and threw it away.  They could have had peace and open borders with Israel on any given day since then, but time after time after time they throw it away.  Gaza *had* open-ish borders with both Israel and Egypt from 1967 through 2000.  The current regime is only since Hamas was "elected" in 2006, at the same time that Hezboolah did attack Israel from Lebanon.

The Palestinians have not tried very hard to win the hearts and minds of the Israelis, have they.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:54 | 5044996 BigJim
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What an asshole you are.

Here I am, an Arab living in Palestine. I took the Brits at their word when they said they would let us have self-determination if we helped them overthrow the Ottomans. So we did... but dear Old Albion went back on its word because it had promised the Rothschilds they could set up their racist 'Jews-Only' state on our land.

We revolted against the Brits, of course, and they killed us in our thousands; all the while allowing Europeans to 'buy' land from Egyptians who had bought the 'rights' to the land from the Ottomans. Of course, the Ottoman rulers had no legitimate claim to Palestine; if they had, what right did the Brits have to overthrow them? So those land titles were utterly bogus.

And then the UN tells me it is giving a bunch of European "Jews" the right to rule over land my ancestors have been farming for generations.

But that's ok, appaently, because according to some racist cunt on the internet, I have been given 'half' of Palestine somewhere else.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:07 | 5045396 yochananmichael
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its islamonazis that set up moslim only lands like pakistan, saudi arabia and ISIS

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:54 | 5045739 Duffy
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its zionazis from europe who invaded and ethnically cleansed lnd they had never lived in based on myth and lies and false claims to the remote past.  All of the signers of the Zionist declaration of theftdependence were born in europe....  the land of their origin.

And ISIS likely has CIA and/or Mossad backing, as I suspect you already know...  :0}


And for your reading enjoyment, Yochie, my favorite, most brainwashed hasbarat:



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:19 | 5045105 Bemused Observer
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Well, some Palestinians have not, that is certainly true. But "the Palestinians" do not act in unison...they are individuals, some of whom are extremist, the majority who are not. And their failure to get Hamas under control is less a result of agreeing with what Hamas does, and more about them just not trusting the Israelis because of what THEY do.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5045325 BigJim
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I'm guessing 'I Write Code' would argue 911 was justified because US citizens failed to get their government under control, too. I mean, the US is a democracy, right? So every citizen can be held responsible for anything 'their' government does.

Hey! I just had a thought! ISRAEL is supposedly a democracy, isn't it? So he surely thinks it's ok to kill Isreali civilians for their failure to get Netanyahu under control, too.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:30 | 5044245 syntaxterror
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They run outta oil and become 100% irrelevant again.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:33 | 5044258 Duffy
Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:32 | 5044260 gdiamond22
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KUNTsler - I stopped reading when you said "I think" - Anyone who votes for Obama twice has no place in this forum.



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:34 | 5044265 swmnguy
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Kustler has a weird blind spot when it comes to Israel.  He seems unable to process the seemingly contradictory ideas that Hamas is a bunch of bastards, and the Israeli government uses collective punishment and massacres of civilians to maintain their advantage, keep their military elites satisfied, and pander for domestic electoral advantage.

Most of us here can deal in those terms, but not Kunstler.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:41 | 5044296 Silky Johnson
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German guilt for having gassed some of the Juden. He is just swinging to extremism on the other side to make him feel better about the fact that his Nazi grandfathers were top notch butchers. I wonder if Herr Kunstler's grandfathers were happy when they chose the Fuhrer as their leader? Dumb motherfucker.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:34 | 5044266 DullKnife
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Mankind has evolved technologically but not socially.

History and current events proves it is still a case of the stupid and ignorant being ruled by the evil and corrupt.

As was so well said, the problem today in America is not that an Obama is President.

The problem is that there is a voting majority who elects and re-elects Obamas.

That is the real reason, the USA is transforming into the USSA entering dark times.

As is said, all it takes for evil to triumph, is for a society to have enough dumb and dumbers.

And we is there.

The average "American" (defined loosely here in California, the land of Mexicans, some of them legal, and a few whites and others), votes with the wisdom of a 2 year old, if that much.

You can fix ignorance, given time and resources, which we may not still have.

But you can't fix stupid or brain-washed mental robots (aka Dem voters).



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:37 | 5044596 the wet spot
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The "opposition" was billionaire, vulture-capitalist-extraodinaire, Mitt "I'm so up to my head in religous bullshit" Romney.  Perhaps if Americans could actually be offered a real choice by The GOP you could stop bitching about "Dem voters".

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:07 | 5045813 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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'the wet spot':

Obama is SO much worse that you sound clueless.

Obama caused the 'Arab Spring'. Look at the result:

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:37 | 5044273 falak pema
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the French Foreign Minister has qualified the latest Gaza killing as Carnage, clearly labelling the IDF for over kill.

In the face of this the French official postion is now veering to IMPOSING a solution on to BOTH parties; an unthinkable position a few days ago, when Hollande was saying Israel had the right to "self defense". The West was solidly behind Netanyahu.

This french about turn could be harbinger of both EU and US pressure as follow up to Ban ki Moon's UN remarks that Israel has gone too far and now peace must be imposed by others before its too late.

Lets see, the situation looks rampant now in Jerusalem and in Palestine in general.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:41 | 5044297 magpie
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They should sell Lebanon Rafales to stop the Zionist threat.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:38 | 5044280 oudinot
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Kunstler is a neo con Israeli apologist.

Whole article is garbage.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:51 | 5044330 JustObserving
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No one with an IQ above that of a potted plant can deny that Kunstler is a propagandist for the Neocons.

That people still read him in the land of the free is a testament to the efficacy of fluoride and network TV in lowering IQs.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:49 | 5044660 IndianaJohn
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Bob Moriarty from 321 Gold wrote a short paragraph on Kunsler's shilling for the killing of Gaza, several years ago. Then Morarity gave Kunsler the boot. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:14 | 5045079 Kirk2NCC1701
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Makes you wonder if he's been approached/warned by the ADL or one of the other tentacles. 

Doesn't take much for blog sites to get scared with the right Pavlovian word that translate into legal action of DOS.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:38 | 5044281 Colonel Klink
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Israel will continue to slaughter the Palestinians, fleece the world, and generally fuck over the goy because they're not the chosen people.

Any questions?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045372 yochananmichael
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Jews are the palestnians , herr klink

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:41 | 5044299 Bossman1967
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Nothing gonna change. We loose they win. Its Monday and last week is forgotten precious metals down,stocks are up and CNBC says buy small caps. Makes one wonder who is telling the truth and who is lying? Help in letting me know where I am off subject

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:41 | 5044300 youngman
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Isis is the big game changer here...they play very dirty...just cut off lawyers ..just laws on how its supposed to dont follow them die...easy as that.....they will get to one third or closer to a half of the ME before the Muslim vs Muslim war breaks out..and that will be nasty....11th century take a town kill everyone...I hope we just sit on the sidelines and watch the destruction...and drill for our own oil...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:43 | 5044308 orangegeek
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genghis khan got started this way - if you were captured, you were a slave or killed - generally the latter


the good news is that if this were a real threat, the drones would solve it in about a week

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:45 | 5044316 magpie
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No need pretending, Centcom Abdul. They are as American as Hancock.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:44 | 5044314 magpie
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Perhaps 21st century war is a bit different, they send American citizenism to the Caliphate, we napalm. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:03 | 5044424 wagthetails
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Agreed, they will fight each other first. as for us sitting out? God wish, but you know the CIA gets a boner with other people's wars. They have way more flexibility to do anything.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:49 | 5044337 phat ho
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until they bring the Jihad home

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:51 | 5044349 Demdere
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The assumption that there are good guys and bad guys in any particular situation is ALWAYS wrong.  That framing is a basic of all propaganda.

At least two different PMs of Israel said versions of "If I were Palestinian, I would be doing exactly what they are doing".

It seems to me that the Isreaelis control the hand the Palestinain can play.  After stealing their land, Israelis have put the Palestinians into a gulag with few resources.  They are faced with a miserable life and few ways of getting the world's attention, of forcing the Israelis to do justice.

I am an engineer, insist on dealing with reality, as there is no alternative in effectively dealing with problems.  Thus I refuse to argue with anyone who can't present a good case for the opposite side, in this case the Palestinian cause : if a person doesn't understand the issues, their opinions are more likely to hurt their cause than help.  Most arguments are simple morality "They did that, so I am justified in doing this".  That is not engineering, can never solve problems.

Israel doesn't want to solve the problem, it wants all of the land and none of the Palestinians.  On top of the continuous theft of Palestinian land, that is the injustice driving both sides.

Israel is losing its soul because it cannot give up its Zionist 'Greater Israel' aspirations.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:12 | 5044462 pazmaker
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Demdere...great post!   I don't think we will see peace because it is impossible to have peace without love, respect for human life.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:54 | 5044360 kurt
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This tool is presuming we agree with two fundamental bat-shit pretenses being used by Israel for its continual slaughter: that the rockets are more than fireworks, that there is this human "shield" bullshit. So I gues SOMEBODY has to go in and KILL them, right?

Don't forget they are killing people in a large fenced concentration camp where they were restricting their food and water and ability to make commerce to provide for themselves. Don't forget all the gestapo road checks, the plowing down of olive trees, and occupation of family homes if not the outright destruction thereof. Killing a donky is not cute. I think that really angers God. It does me.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:54 | 5044370 BullyBearish
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Rule #1: you can't like them if you're going to ethnic cleanse them

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:55 | 5044380 phat ho
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They certainly are well rehearsed with the playing field.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:56 | 5044382 Canucklehead
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The context is that of the wars of the Reformation... the Thirty Year War. ISIL is the hammer that beats the dictatorial muslim governments against the anvil of Western Democracy. Force is needed to effect change within the Middle East. As ISIL beats against one corrupt dictatorial government after another, there will be a sea change in the values system displayed in the Middle East. Finally, a breaking point will be reached where there is a wholesale reformation of the Muslim religion whereby they will get with the times, or perish. Either way, Western democratic values will come to the fore.

Once that breaking point has been reached and Western values are adopted throughout the Middle East, there will be a whirlwind that consumes ISIL. ISIL will be consumed to the last man.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:50 | 5044678 novictim
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We are on the same page on this, Canuck.

But the wars of the Reformation had a larger context that you must consider.

The dark ages and the Iron Rule of Feudal Lords and The Church went on and on for a thousand years!


Fall of Constantinople to Islam 1453-->Weakening the political and religious hierarchy.  Doubt became a logical mindset.

Growing Nostalgia for the Good 'Ol Days of the Roman Republic/Athenian Democracy started then to flourish

Martin Luther posts 95 THESES 1517--> The social order is corrupt and WRONG/NOT INFALLIBLE

Galileo presents Heliocentrist theory in 1615/Compound Microscope 1625

Van Leeuwenhoek reported the discovery of micro-organisms 1676

Into the new DOUBT flies philosophers that challenge the right of kings, Church, declare The Rights of Man, and call for a total overhaul of the SYSTEM.

So, Canuck, I cannot see the middle-east and its peoples learning the lessons from Europe especially as the very idea of quoting people like Thomas Paine seems to stick in the throats of modern day Arab intellectuals.  The key events for Europe leading to the enlightenment are simply not present...yet.  

The Chauvinism of the Islamic Intelligentsia is mind numbing and disheartening.  They only speak to each other within narrow circles of agreement and when they speak outside their echo chambers it is usually to deceive and lie and gain some secondary advantage (more immigration).

Until the middle east intelligentsia engage in honest and critical dialogue with each other inspired first and foremost by DOUBT then they can never achieve a true enlightenment as occurred in the West.

So don't hold your breath that anything good is about to happen there.


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:51 | 5045280 Canucklehead
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The detail you quote are brush strokes on the bigger picture. In the age of the Internet, everyone wants to be Western.

Look at all the anti-semites/anti-christians/anti-western democracy types who wrap themselves up in Western garb, take on Western character, try to deceive using Western pillars. That tells me there is nothing left.

Islam has been hollowed out. It is brittle and will break. The question is who gets taken down when it falls?

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Fast forward to today, if a social issue is not presented in a western format, does anyone care?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:33 | 5045581 novictim
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Hmm... I can't agree with you on this.  Don't be surprised if you get surprised, Canuck.

Everyone who has a pretense of being "populist" in the middle east context rejects or at the very least claims to reject Western doctines and modes of thinking.  The fashion now amongst the up and coming is to get Medieval, embrace the brotherhood of Islam as defined by the wealthy folks of Saudi.  And the Saudi's have lost total control on the monster that they hoped would defend them against Iran.

The house of Saud holds a tiger by the tail in the form of funding they dare not stop.

When you see folks who still wear Western clothing yet are preaching against the West, you think this is hypocrisy?  Probably a little but mostly it is Taqiyya, the doctine of lying to infidels to advance Islam in any way possible.  Or it is just fashion sense.  But listen to what they say!

Clearly, Canuck, you don't see a "hollow" Islam anymore that I do.  What are you talking about?  The Western religions THRIVE on oppression to validate their stupid and weak philosophical underpinnings!

And don't forget!  The Diaspora of Muslims to the West is being systematically tract by the home funding group with plans to radicalize and unify Western Muslims into pushing "democratically" for concessions and eventual Sharia law (yes, tracking is also by intelligence agencies too).

If a Mosque in your neighborhood started preaching a radical form of Islamic extremism and you don't know about it, will YOU make a sound when your head gets chopped off?

Canuck, when we talk about our "Western" philosophy we are talking about the respect for pluralistic values, the rights to democratic expression and the rights of the minorities and the right to dissent.  We are NOT NOT NOT talking about blue-jeans, Big Macs and Rock'in Roll.  Those things are CULTURE and fashion, not philosophy.


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:20 | 5044840 Al Huxley
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Wow, could you be any more fucking full of western 'think tank' propaganda?  How about sharing stories about the white man's burden in India, while you're at it?  And maybe you could guide us on a quick trip down memory lane and explain the heroic deeds of the US Calvary as they made the west safe from the violent and savage native population at the time.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:53 | 5045293 Canucklehead
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I am so sorry that you are you. If I was God, I would change that.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:10 | 5045434 AynRandFan
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The American west was full of a "violent and savage native population".  Not sure it was heroic to wipe them out, but it was definitely necessary to control them if the west was going to be settled by farmers, ranchers and miners.  Oh, but your heart bleeds.  I'm sorry.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:01 | 5044399 ekm1
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- Hate Saudis


- Hate Israel


- Love Iran


- Love Muslim Brotherhood


- Where is China on the map?


- Where is Europe on the map?


- Where is Russia on the map?


That's basically it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:48 | 5044665 The Phallic Crusader
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Well, you're a fairly obtuse fellow, aren't you?


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:07 | 5045398 AynRandFan
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You forgot:

- Cut defense budget by trillions.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:02 | 5044422 phat ho
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I need to play Risk once more. Seems like old times

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:06 | 5044441 Goldbugger
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"Personally, I think the Middle East is primed for exactly that outcome that is, to return to the eleventh century."


If this happens then the US, and EU will return to the 18th century. The distruption in OIL supplies will take everything down.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:24 | 5044534 ThisIsBob
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Well., if we are returning to the 17th century, perhaps the liberty that we enjoyed under George III wiull be restored.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:13 | 5044474 novictim
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The only thing that can save the Middle East is Atheism.  Not looking good.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:19 | 5045890 mijev
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Best comment so far, by far.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:19 | 5044499 phat ho
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Flood the desert with camel toe

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:19 | 5044506 phat ho
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Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:28 | 5044551 Rikky
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The Blood Moons playing out as predicted...



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:58 | 5044726 The Phallic Crusader
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oh fuck you. Hagee is closer to being a literal Satanist than he is a Christian, let alone a "scholar" of the Bible - sort of jagoff who just parrots the idiocy of the zionist-created Scoffield Bible, designed precisely to Judaize susceptible Evangelicals who don't ever seem that familiar with the whole "peace love and justice" angle of the NT, preferring the arbitrary and capricious violence, jealousy and bloodlust of Yahweh, the limp-dicked father sky god of some ancient tribe of Canaanites who wrote a pretend history of themselves 1200-500 years after the events it purports to record.

David was a major king, huh?

That must explain why there's no extra-biblical evidence for him.  There's precisely one Egyptian record referring to "Israel" and it says the Egyptians destroyed them.


That's strange because evidence of Egyptian and Greek and Byzantine rule is ABUNDANT.



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:03 | 5045359 yochananmichael
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jesus was a zionist who called pagans like you dogs.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:17 | 5045807 Dickweed Wang
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Ditto P.C.  . . . .  right on!

P.S.  All those evangelical Christians out there waiting for the "Rapture" to take them away before TSHTF are in for a very rude awakening.  That whole concept is just another construct of the Scoffield bible and really has no basis in conventional biblical teachings.

P.P.S.  Hagee is a COMPLETE Zionist shill.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:36 | 5044592 icanhasbailout
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>Never has so much fragility-in-motion come so close to an implacable wall of consequence.

You may not think so if you drafted Arian Foster or CJ Spiller with a top pick last year.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:44 | 5044637 Comte d'herblay
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The Middle East is as close to a Perpetual Motion Machine as human beans can get. This will go on until the oil becomes a trickle from their wells. 

As happens when you, say, begin a straight line journey from  A to B, if you are slightly off by the thickness of hair on the parasite of a flea, and you travel far enough over a sustained period of time, say 150 years, you will never connect points A and B. If you realize shortly after you begin the journey and make the necessary correction, and thru negligence, inattention, or pure sabotage veer away from the straight line you've mapped, you will need to make multitudinous corrections, and likely A will mate with B.  

This is what we failed to do, or not we, but they who regulate energy failed to do.  As happened when, mainly, the United States based nearly all its Energy requirements on relatively cheap Fossil fuels (this is called 'low hangning fruit' in human endeavor), particklerly that which made Jed Clampett's family so rich, and gave Elly May a figure of 38-24-35. 

Our seeking of Energy sources should have tacked many times by now to prevent our total dependence on oil. Many times one party or both of them joining together to formulate an alternative fuel source /(s) that is sustainable would have yielded by now a complete energy independence.  IF we could get to the moon, we could have long ago told the Middle East Emirates to go fuck a camel.

But no.  

The single intentional act to not seek another renewable source of energy----if there is anyone around to write it after the fight for oil is over, because oil is over----is the Sword of Damocles hanging over all our heads, meanwhile they tussle over whether or not to allow unions between men to be called marriage.   This is not a serious country, with the worst of us, as lead dogs.  


Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:46 | 5044657 The Phallic Crusader
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endless war until the end of days, because religion is both stupid and violent.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:06 | 5045375 AynRandFan
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Arab muslim culture is stupid and violent.  I don't see the Pope advocating we behead anybody.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:10 | 5045838 mijev
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Right, the Vaticant hasn't ordered any contract killings in the last 40 years... And the catholic church doesn't have any history of violence... Oh, sorry.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 13:57 | 5044717 Towgunner
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Remember what it was like in the 90's? Anyone? Not to dismiss that moves weren't being made then to effect today, but, for fuck sake what a time it was and, political assholes like clinton aside, a little true assertiveness and rational foreign policy (or more rational) from the US and viola a nice world to live in. Hell, most people never thought we'd get into a war again. Today, its a fucking mess. A new cold war with Russia? How fucking stupid are we? Hey, we fucking gambled 30 years ago with thermal nuclear weapons and for whatever reason lucked-out. Now we're moving back towards that and messing with Russia on her own doorstep? We're going to risk total annihilation again? Over what? Domestically too, things are fucking worse than ever...women and men hate each other, blacks hate whites, homosexuals hate heterosexuals and this is all originating from the very people who wrote "hate crimes" legislation, ostensibly to eradicate hate? And yet this country is so fucking divided, which means it hates itself so much, secession is seriously being discussed. Not to mention that the whole world is careening towards a massive credit reset. You know what…here it is - fucking progressivism is evil and is at the heart of all this shit. If enough people can realize that, we might have a chance otherwise we’re fucked. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:15 | 5044822 Al Huxley
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So nobody gets a free pass on the massacres except for the Israelis, who are 'just defending themselves'.  Thanks for your insight James, I never get tired of hearing that. 


And yeah, those dead kids are just tools for massaging world opinion - not real people who until just recently were making the best of their shitty lot in life, probably having fun like kids do, making their parents smile, frustrating them with their tantrums then filling their hearts with joy with some touching little gesture - until they got their fucking skulls blown off or guts ripped out by that 'justified' Israeli shelling.  Yeah, not real people at all, just tools to manipulate the media.  You disingenuous cocksucker.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:22 | 5045912 Dickweed Wang
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Hey Al - Whoever the two were that downarrowed your comment can suck a dead horse's dick.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 14:20 | 5044842 the grateful un...
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bush too was shocked when his hard right turn to favor israel after scotus appointed the potus, made him unitary decider, resulted in a huge concrete barrier between israel and palestine. their forced isolation of palestine was not what he wanted. now of course we have tunnels into america. bush two was prepared to spend a trillion dollars to stop THAT from happening. he also built internment camps for unlucky mexicans (all of them really) being of at least three great civilizations these people maya aztec spanish and inca, have good dna you would think, but all anyone sees is poor and stupid (which is what rome thought of the eurorabble on the other side of the river) we are horrid racists zenophobic haters, obama learned from the southern crackers how to hate folks who are different. he leads by example.we dont have to go back to 1948 but we do need to know who killed chandra levy? what did she know about tim mcveigh? why were the moderates attacked in order to isolate the liberal democrat party from the blue dogs? a forced isolation if you will. too many of us are willing to make way too much out of these artificial barriers. israel has an obligation to get along with its neighbors, it right to absolute self security is a distant second. this was cheneys 1% rule, if there is a 1% chance your enemy can harm you you can destroy your enemy through any means necessary. why even 1%?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:11 | 5044966 Peter Pan
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The most interesting question for me is what is HAMAS really all about.

If their rockets are being aimed so as to kill but 90% miss, then perhaps they should aim them with the intent to miss. Their hit rate should then improve.

Or are the great majority of HAMAS rockets not intended to find their target?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:25 | 5045127 Duffy
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A repeat of the past - the ancient past.... 

as described by just about the only evidence outside the Bible that "Israelites" as such ever existed?


After Gaza, Israel will turn to the WB, and Lebanon, and Sinai, and Syria...  will keep trying to lie the US into a war with Iran based on lies, assisted by thousands of foreign-loyal Jews/sayanim embedded in .gov...


war, war, war...

and profits for those who still change the monies...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5045150 Dickweed Wang
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UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon is so busy issuing condemnations of Israel that he has forgotten to ask Hamas the elementary question: What part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?

Cuntlser is obviously a Zionist shill.  Hey Jimmy, here's the score so far in the "Gaza Conflict" (aka Zionist genocide of the Palestinines - v. 3.0):  Israelies dead - ~4/Palestiniens dead - +1,700 and counting.  No rational human being can claim it is justified to kill HUNDREDS of women and children in the name of "maintaining the quite". 

Hamas’s war-making ability has been deeply degraded for a while, but any further rocket attacks will be answered in kind.

In KIND??? You've got to be fucking kidding me!!! The disproportionate use of force by the Zionists in this conflict is absolutely sickening and is a disgrace to the human race.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:02 | 5045349 AynRandFan
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So long as Arab culture can be summed up as "kill the infidel", the middle east will be nothing more than military dictatorships and insane theocracies.  Both of which are barbaric and stupid.  Expect more of the same for 100 years.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:40 | 5045666 Monty Burns
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You're correct.  And the message therefore is fucking leave them alone!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:31 | 5045601 smacker
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"...we [the USG] pretend that Afghanistan threatens our national interest from 7,000 miles away while denying that Russia has any business with its crumbling next-door neighbor (and former province), Ukraine — the crumbling of which was bought and paid for by the US Department of State and CIA."


Doesn't that just sum it all up.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 16:59 | 5045770 Optimusprime
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Tribe member Kunstler wags his ass's ears in an attempt to obfuscate.  Again.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:35 | 5045990 mijev
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If someone wiped out all of the Middle East, including Israel, I probably wouldn't shed many tears. Although I have seen quite a few major hot chicks from that part of the world. Further, if someone managed to wipe out all religious people from the planet, I probably wouldn't shed any tears either. When I hear anyone talking about religion or their pathetic gods, I feel the same as when I come across across a severely mentally disturbed patient. I feel sorry for them and their wasted lives but I try my best to keep my distance just in case they have a knife, and I say under my breath, 'fucking nutjob." I'm not quite sure which is worse: muslim or catholic - I guess islam came later but christianity progressed more quickly such that catholics are now almost in the 16th century, compared with us humans, whereas muslims are still in the 12th century. But the world could be a seriously nice and peaceful place without all of them. No offense intended. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:34 | 5046256 AdvancingTime
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Things have deteriorated to the point that Americans will take any opportunity to take their eyes off what is happening, Iraq has become a train wreck and is rapidly morphing into a failed State. It is often unwise to take your eyes off a problem for long because when you look back you might find that things have gone horribly wrong, this is the case in Iraq and Syria.

The lyrics from a song "slip sliding away" come to mind as a way to describe the massive investment made in Iraq by America. Recently a group called ISIS shocked much of the world by swiftly capturing Mosul in an offensive that allowed the group to take control of major parts of northern and western Iraq. On June 29, 2014 the Islamist militants declared  an Islamic "caliphate" in an area straddling Iraq and Syria. More on this subject in the article below.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:33 | 5052584 lesamourai
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Kunstler is a well known pro-Zionist saber rattler.  His moronic ravings don't seem to have a place in any informative discussion about what is going on or what to do about it.

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