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Ron Paul Implores "Why Won't Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

President Obama announced last week that he was imposing yet another round of sanctions on Russia, this time targeting financial, arms, and energy sectors. The European Union, as it has done each time, quickly followed suit.
 
These sanctions will not produce the results Washington demands, but they will hurt the economies of the US and EU, as well as Russia.
 
These sanctions are, according to the Obama administration, punishment for what it claims is Russia’s role in the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and for what the president claims is Russia’s continued arming of separatists in eastern Ukraine. Neither of these reasons makes much sense because neither case has been proven.
 
The administration began blaming Russia for the downing of the plane just hours after the crash, before an investigation had even begun. The administration claimed it had evidence of Russia’s involvement but refused to show it. Later, the Obama administration arranged a briefing by “senior intelligence officials” who told the media that “we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100 percent sure of a nationality," of who brought down the aircraft.
 
So Obama then claimed Russian culpability because Russia’s “support” for the separatists in east Ukraine “created the conditions” for the shoot-down of the aircraft. That is a dangerous measure of culpability considering US support for separatist groups in Syria and elsewhere.
 
Similarly, the US government claimed that Russia is providing weapons, including heavy weapons, to the rebels in Ukraine and shooting across the border into Ukrainian territory. It may be true, but again the US refuses to provide any evidence and the Russian government denies the charge. It’s like Iraq’s WMDs all over again.
 
Obama has argued that the Ukrainians should solve this problem themselves and therefore Russia should butt out.
 
I agree with the president on this. Outside countries should leave Ukraine to resolve the conflict itself. However, even as the US demands that the Russians de-escalate, the United States is busy escalating!
 
In June, Washington sent a team of military advisors to help Ukraine fight the separatists in the eastern part of the country. Such teams of “advisors” often include special forces and are usually a slippery slope to direct US military involvement.
 
On Friday, President Obama requested Congressional approval to send US troops into Ukraine to train and equip its national guard. This even though in March, the president promised no US boots on the ground in Ukraine. The deployment will be funded with $19 million from a fund designated to fight global terrorism, signaling that the US considers the secessionists in Ukraine to be “terrorists.”
 
Are US drone strikes against these “terrorists” and the “associated forces” who support them that far off?
 
The US has already provided the Ukrainian military with $23 million for defense security, $5 million in body armor, $8 million to help secure Ukraine’s borders, several hundred thousand ready-to-eat meals as well as an array of communications equipment. Congress is urging the president to send lethal military aid and the administration is reportedly considering sending real-time intelligence to help target rebel positions.
 
But let’s not forget that this whole crisis started with the US-sponsored coup against Ukraine’s elected president back in February. The US escalates while it demands that Russia de-escalate. How about all sides de-escalate?
 
Even when the goals are clear, sanctions have a lousy track record. Sanctions are acts of war. These sanctions will most definitely have a negative effect on the US economy as well as the Russian economy.

Why is “winning” Ukraine so important to Washington? Why are they risking a major war with Russia to deny people in Ukraine the right to self-determination? Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!

 

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Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:05 | 5046136 Sudden Debt
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What if the rest of Ukraine would revolt and join the Russian side?
Remember, the people fighting the pro russians where fighting their current dictator only a few years ago.
After a while, people just get sick of all this bullshit.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:13 | 5046169 zorba THE GREEK
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Obama just does what he is told by his masters. Nothing has changed.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:14 | 5046180 zorba THE GREEK
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Well, they probably don't call him 'boy' when they tell him to do their bidding.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:27 | 5046226 wintermute
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50 national leaders gather in Belgium to lay wreaths for the WWI dead, bemoaning such a waste of life.

Same 50 are also banging the drum for WWIII over Ukraine - what a bunch of hypocritical idiots!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:39 | 5046268 nidaar
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"Why Won't Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?"

Because he cannot disobey TPTB.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:56 | 5046320 Bunghole
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Ron's about to get droned.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:25 | 5046445 ZerOhead
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They can't drone him. He would become a bigger legend than he is already going to become. They need a dead hooker to magically appear in his hot tub to really finish him off.

The man just continues to make sense...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:28 | 5046467 Four chan
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president paul still has a nice ring to it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:21 | 5046684 Escrava Isaura
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Ron,

You said: "Let’s just leave Ukraine alone!"

Wrong question, Ron.

You should have asked: "Why can't we leave Ukraine alone?"

Answer: January 17, 1961

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:55 | 5046894 SuperRay
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Anyone who challenged the assholes behind Obozo ends up like this.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utYcFf93Srs

 

Kennedy - our last real president

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 06:40 | 5047917 Escrava Isaura
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SuperRay,

And how did Kennedy do that?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:28 | 5046229 power steering
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Speaking of boys, its fortunate Ron Paul has no offspring

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:51 | 5046306 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, he did, but his offspring was abducted by aliens* and turned into a human-alien hybrid.

* Aliens with dual passports, whose homeland he recently visited and has not been the same since -- just like all politicians who visit their home world:  Bush, McCain, Romney... Manchurian Zombies.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:11 | 5046382 TahoeBilly2012
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Sometimes I wonder....do they like have a secret room in the Capitol and just say "Gee Rand, have been in here yet....you need to take your shoes off....don't worry...it's fun!"

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 04:51 | 5047843 PhilofOz
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...with cameras rolling. They've got something on every politician in DC misbehaving at some stage of their lives, probably most before they even get there. Obama's file must be a beauty!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:42 | 5046274 sylviasays
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"Obama just does what he is told by his masters. Nothing has changed."

Who are his so called masters? Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Bill Ayers? Bernadine Dohrn? Valerie Jarrett? Michelle? George Soros? Warren Buffett?

Obama is a hard core Marxist leftist and has associated with shady characters his entire life. He knows what he's doing and has been a willing partner. 

 



Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:32 | 5046765 logicalman
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all those 'ists'

All pale to insignificance when compared to those who really run the place.

If you see a face, you know that person is NOT making any 'important' decisions.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:27 | 5046228 JohninMK
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Extract from a really good article by Mike Whitney. You should read it all.

To get a handle on what’s really going on, we have to understand that Ukraine is not just another bloody afterthought like Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria, none of which would dramatically impact the US’s role as the world’s only superpower. Ukraine is different. Ukraine is an essential part of Washington’s plan to pivot to Asia. If Washington is unable to achieve its objectives in Ukraine — create a chokepoint for vital resources flowing from Russia to the EU, establish NATO bases in the heart of Eurasia, and drive a wedge between Moscow and Brussels — then the plan to maintain US global hegemony for the next century will fail. And if the plan fails, then China will gradually become the world’s biggest and most powerful economy, economic ties between Moscow and Europe grow stronger, and the US will slide into irreversible decline. Get the picture?

This is the scenario that Washington wants to avoid at all cost. That’s why the anti-Russia hysteria in the media has been so ferocious and unrelenting. That’s why the State Department assisted in the coup d’état that toppled the Ukrainian government and triggered the crisis. And that’s why ruling elites of all stripes have thrown their support behind a policy that recklessly pits one nuclear-armed adversary against another. It’s because the bigshot money-guys who run this country are bound and determined to be the Kingfish for the next hundred years even if it means plunging the world into the abyss of a third world war. That’s just a chance they’re willing to take.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article46730.html

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:07 | 5046350 Bankster Kibble
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Ironic that the more we push Russia, the more they turn to China and thus spark the scenario we supposedly want to avoid.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:32 | 5046489 Four chan
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two reprehensible back stabbers getting along, yeah that will work. maybe

now america can ditch the war like mentality and literally mind its own business as good capitalists.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:38 | 5046801 logicalman
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If you put an impenetrable barrier around the US, there would be enough contained within for everyone to live reasonably well, given resources and potiential industry. The only reason the US needs to act as the bully of the world is the greed of the .01%, who wnat everything plus 10%.

The rest of the world would, likely do OK at that point. (may have to exclude UK and Israel from that)

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 00:46 | 5047627 California Nigh...
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Logicalman

Logical but, I think, unsound.

Wish it were so, But we can't be Switzerland. 

We would thrive as an island nation only for a little while.

Once disconnected from our currently advantaged position in world trade, we would fall behind our economic (and military) competitors.

The last word in defense technology has yet to be written. 

When the time comes that our rivals are considerably stronger than we are, they'll come a knockin' at our door, asking for tribute. 

Fundamentally, nothing has changed since the rivalries of Ancient Greek city states. The world's varied political units remain rivals to the death.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:30 | 5048341 HardAssets
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There was an 'Iron Mountain' report that came out a long time ago. Some claimed it was real, and others that it was a fiction. In either case it said that this society relies on war to exist. Stop the war & preparation for war, and this society ends.

But what if we had a society that truly encouraged the full development of every persons innate talents ? Human beings have far more potential than what they access. What if people were taught critical thinking, creativity, and communication starting from an early age ?  Of course, such a society would threaten TPTB. A society fillled with creative and independent minded people excited about the potential for their lives could not be manipulated. The oligarchs power and privilege would end.

Inventor and thinker Buckminster Fuller pointed out that we had enough to take care of every person on this planet and reach out to the stars . . . its only our limited thinking that holds us back.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:41 | 5046521 ZerOhead
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And as a bonus it helps other nations to see that the only goal of the US is for global domination at any cost.

It's a retarded policy made by psychopath retards who are incapable of understanding that their aggressive imperialistic policies can yield some unforeseen negative responses...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:45 | 5046564 Bollixed
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U.S.'s chance of maintaining global domination has about the same odds as the 1995 Miss America regaining her crown.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:06 | 5046870 Gadfly
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That's it in a nutshell.  That and the fact that Kolomoisky has publicly spoken of Ukraine as the “second homeland” of the Jewish people.  Great.  That’s all we fucking need.  Another “Jews only” homeland.  Can’t imagine that would cause any problems (after they get done ethnically cleansing Russians and anyone else who is not Jewish, much the same as they are doing right now in Israel).

 

Maybe the Jews are hedging their bets.  Maybe they're beginning to think  living right in the middle of 350 million pissed off Arabs, after stealing their land and dispossesing them, wasn't such a good idea.  After all, when you're paranoid and "chosen," and decide to separate yourself from the rest of humanity, you can only build the wall you surround yourself with so high.

 

Then there is always this perspective about what is going on in Ukraine from someone who happens to be Jewish, or at least was until he converted : http://henrymakow.com/2014/07/russian-sovereignty-under-attack.html

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:06 | 5046138 ekm1
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I've always said that Ron Paul is hyper brilliant and he has an agenda, I just haven't figured out what agenda he's got yet.

That man intrigues me.

 

Obama has already left Ukraine alone. He wouldn't care less.

 

It is Neocons who are represented by Nuland visibly who are pushing back against Putin, not Obama. Obama has already given up.

 

What is Ron Paul's agenda?

He knows what is happening, he knows very well Obama is withdrawing troops and cutting military spending and does not want to intervene anywhere in the world.

 

It's clear Obama hates Neocons and is trying to clean them up, thus triggering Neocon resistance and counter attack on him.

 

Why does Ron Paul still say these things?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:19 | 5046181 Sudden Debt
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The official army is going down in size and the budget for hired criminals to fight the American agenda without official involvement is rising in a stellar way.

America is now using beasts, criminals and other soldiers of fortune to do the dirty work.

And that's even worse than anybody can imagine because it all happens without a rule of law.
And then there's the size of CIA and NSA budgets that are going nuts.
In what way doe this all, which is totally no secret fit in the agenda of peace like you say there is?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:37 | 5046263 Clint Liquor
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Obama is not 'involved in anything' except Golf and fund raising. Meanwhile the whole Banker, Media, Government machine is fucking up the entire world, with his blessing.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:20 | 5046203 Clycntct
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" I just haven't figured out what agenda he's got yet."

He's the ancor man on the liberty relay race. 

He's run a hell of a leg of a race. Only problem is there is no one to make the pass to.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:31 | 5046246 zorba THE GREEK
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He and Nigel Farage are going are going to make a movie called " Smart and smarter "

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:44 | 5046826 logicalman
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Farage is a great performer.

What he says about EU parliament is dead on, but he is part of it.

Smacks of theatre to me.

I think Ron Paul came out of a different mold.

He's not perfect, but at least he's logical , consistent and has priciples.

How could he possibly go far in politics with that on his resume?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:41 | 5046275 yogatrader
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As Harry Truman so famously said of the office, "The Buck Stops Here"

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:31 | 5046483 booboo
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"It is Neocons who are represented by Nuland visibly who are pushing back against Putin, not Obama. Obama has already given up."

Riiiight, thats why Obama has been running his cocksucker for two months running on sanctions and blame. Stick with finance, your where your schtick seems more plausible.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:38 | 5047060 ekm1
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Sanctions?

Sanctions are the clear signal from Obama that he is non interventionist and sticking it to neocons.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:32 | 5046492 Four chan
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whats with the weird spacing?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:00 | 5046920 Curious Gorge
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A basic premise of this site is that when you state an opinion, you back it up with factual evidence, i.e. a website where the information can be vetted, or a book. You cannot spout verbose bullshit here without the means to back your opinion, we are too damn cynical and smart for other. I, nor do others here, deny a separate opnion or perspective, but we mandate that you provide a cited source; otherwise you are an asshole with a big internet mouth. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:29 | 5047025 ekm1
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None of what you mentioned constitutes factual evidence.

Vetting of anything does absolutely not lead to any factual evidence.

As a matter of fact, there is no such thing as factual evidence, unless one is inside the system.

 

Here we are all pontificators.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:40 | 5047070 Seer
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"Vetting of anything does absolutely not lead to any factual evidence."

Huh?

Facts are facts no matter how they come to be.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:18 | 5047255 ekm1
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Who decides that X event is true or not?

That's why there are courts and judges and witnesses and lawyers and prosecutors.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:12 | 5046973 Seize Mars
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ekm1

Why does he say these things?

The reason he seems so perplexing is that he is a decent person. This is unusual.

He's basically honest, but a good diplomat, and a gentleman.

Weird, huh?

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:34 | 5047041 ekm1
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Obama is a non interventionist.

Neocons are. I, personally, like neocons.

Ron Paul is accusing Obama for something he is not. He is not a neocon, he is not an interventionist. He is with bank lobby.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:50 | 5047115 Seer
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This presents a lot of the crux of the "problem."  Seeing as most are programmed to react to things emotionally we tend to over-leverage our "understanding" of things based on individual players.  What Obama is or isn't is really quite irrelevant, just as was with GW Bush (the old East Coast family Yale cheerleader cum Texas cowboy).  The SYSTEM is what runs things, and the SYSTEM is no more special than any other from the myriad of those which operated history's empires of yore (and ALL collapsed).

This has EVERYTHING to do with trying to keep the USD from losing its reserve currency status.

This article by Chris Martenson (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts referred to it) is probably the most definitive one you'll find:

http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/86415/wests-reckless-rush-towards-war...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:18 | 5047250 ekm1
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Agree with all.

Issue is that the system is not monolithic.

There are many players who create stable or unstable alliance and others who back stab.

Obama is with bank lobby warring against neocons.

System is utterly unstable

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:20 | 5047264 Seer
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"It's clear Obama hates Neocons and is trying to clean them up, thus triggering Neocon resistance and counter attack on him."

Victoria Nuland

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:28 | 5046141 medium giraffe
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He loves a good drama?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:10 | 5046145 Dr. Engali
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Why, you ask Ron? Because TPTB need an excuse that's why. The system is falling apart at the seems, everybody is dumping the petro-dollar and TPTB can't have that. They been a boogie man and a scape goat to blame the collapse on. A nice little hot war with Russia will serve that purpose well.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:14 | 5046174 Winston Churchill
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There may be no audience left to listen to the blaming.

A sucker punch from Russia seems more likely by the day, if the BS carrys on.

I don't think the RoW, except Israel, would give a shit about it either.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:21 | 5046206 El Vaquero
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I doubt we'll see a sucker punch from Russia unless some bigger moves are made against the dollar first, possibly in a one-two combo with China.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:15 | 5046179 Duffy
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it's the merging of "The Grand Chessboard" with the PNAC/Oded Yinon line of plans for "Greater Israel" - the left and right wings of this zioglobalist bird of prey...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:21 | 5046205 HardAssets
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Why ?

War is the health of the state.

Conflict is the 'justification' for the state's continued existence.

That's why.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:45 | 5046837 logicalman
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'nice, little' and 'hot war with Russia' = Oxymoron

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:30 | 5047300 Seer
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It's down to deperation time.  There's always a hinge point and it's quite possible that Ukraine represents that point.  No matter, the US empire has a date with destiny: collapse (as do ALL empires); it's not a matter of IF but WHEN.  Ready, set...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:08 | 5046150 ebworthen
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The Military Industrial Complex does not want to leave any conflict alone.

The Executive Branch works for the M.I.C., and thus...

Keep at it Elder Statesman Dr. Ron Paul.

So few of you left.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:19 | 5046196 napper
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Exactly right. That's why war has been the biggest business of the country for decades. The MIC gets rich, and the taxpayers get screwed.

 

Most people in this country still haven't a clue about this.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:57 | 5047155 Seer
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The MIC is tasked with keeping the USD on top, by ensuring US trade rules supreme.  The importance of this means that the MIC gets a flood of money, for sure, but I don't think that it's They that are responsible for the Grand Plan (as pretty much outlined in Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard).

Empires never last forever.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:08 | 5046153 Sudden Debt
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Ole... By tomorrow silver will be below 20.... Fuck this shit...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:13 | 5046168 Skateboarder
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All the reason to buy some more. ;-)

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:17 | 5046189 Sudden Debt
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Yeah... I've got 370 option contracts bleeding the shit out of them and down 60%...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 02:55 | 5047766 Aussiekiwi
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Tell me you did not load up on those because of fundamentals? lol, you should know better by now.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:15 | 5046183 spieslikeus
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Good....for the stackin'. I've a boating incident.....re, excursion scheduled for this weekend.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:10 | 5046164 Duffy
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well, many in State are Ashkenazi Jews, and Ukraine is, more or less, their homeland*.  Maybe it's the ancient call of the rightful homeland....  Nudelman hears the cries of her ancestors, selling cheap liquor to Polish serfs....

 

*At least more so than the Levant!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 02:16 | 5047725 Victor999
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Having no genetic relatiosnhip to Semites, the motherland is certainly not Israel......they are imposters and land usurpers

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:13 | 5046170 Son of Captain Nemo
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Ron Paul Implores "Why Won't Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?"

Because the "empty suit" who's sole job is to read a teleprompter with canned information on it can't allow U.S. supremacy to fail no matter how fraudulent, dishonest and dangerous it has become over many decades to international investors and governments alike that for no good reasons stuck by it out of fear for far too long!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:12 | 5046172 Son of Captain Nemo
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Ron Paul Implores "Why Won't Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?"

Because the "empty suit" who's sole job is to read a teleprompter with canned information on it can't allow U.S. supremacy to fail no matter how fraudulent, dishonest and dangerous it has become over many decades to international investors and governments alike that for no good reasons stuck by it out of fear for far too long!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:21 | 5046208 zorba THE GREEK
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You can say that again!!!

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:13 | 5046173 Clycntct
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Why is clear when it's one of the last viable products.

Set the ad campain and the fruits will come.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Iraq_Group

War that's what it's good for.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:14 | 5046178 kurt
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Answer:

My Pet Goat II last scene with Obama, squeezes out a tear of regret. That's now.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:15 | 5046184 George Washington
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Dr. Paul: A true American patriot.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:35 | 5046507 BigJim
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Agreed. There goes my president.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:47 | 5046854 logicalman
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If he became president, he'd be in a convertible in Texas within the week.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:19 | 5046200 roadhazard
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Obama is a drag ass to the neo-cons. Hitlery will show you how it's done.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:23 | 5046210 loonyleft
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the neocons, deep state, and even Obama, all take their cue from supercomputers and very detailed models. It is not one computer / model, but many different ones. Based on the criteria required, it extrapolates out the future with the goal of keeping the US #1 with the petrodollar and world influence (as well as other goals). 

The supercomputer models indicate that Syria, Iran and the Ukraine (penning in Russia) are required to maintain the hegemony. 

They aren't ruled by scifi AI's but if all the models agree on a direction, and going against it causes undesirable theoretical outcomes, they implement the actions required to mimic the model in real life. 

That's why they won't stay out of Ukraine and why both Obama, republitards, demonrats, and more seem to go one direction and then do a complete 180. 

I know it's way out there, but it makes sense eh? 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:31 | 5046250 Kirk2NCC1701
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The World itself is the super-computer you speak of.  All other (man-made) computers don't come close.

But it's great for all kinds of careers, to have never-ending simulations and meetings.  Latter Day Oracles of Delphi.  With a Cost and Profit (P&L) Center.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:22 | 5046437 markovchainey
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And boy are the mice pissed...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:26 | 5046225 FightingtheFed
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In a nutshell the Jews who reign in America hate Russia and they dont' mind sheddng a little American blood to prove it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:46 | 5046287 Kirk2NCC1701
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Correct.  They are descendants of the Bolsheviks who got jailed, sent to Gulags or who escaped Stalin's ruthless cleansing.

They won't forgive them for taking away what they feel divinely entitled to:  Climbing up the socio-economic pyramid of their host country and ruling it.  It's a historically repeating pattern of rise, rule and demise.  In the case of Tzarist Russia and later Soviet Russia, their rise to power & influence got got down twice.  Unforgivable, in their eyes!

The same will happen elsewhere, if their rise & rule is interfered with.  Only now (unlike the past), they have a global network of power & influence, and they are already stretching their wings, to test them when they are ready to bring about a one-world government, a NWO. 

Not a pleasant or flattering model/theory to contemplate, to be sure, but it is a model that fits the facts better than any competing model I can think of.  If the shoe fits... if the theory fits...

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:36 | 5046515 BigJim
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Yes, I keep hoping someone will disprove or explain what is becoming increasingly evident.

But no one does....

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:50 | 5046873 logicalman
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That's a good hypothesis.

Until a piece of irrefutable evidence comes along I think we should run with it

If you don't understand something, you can't try to change it.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:37 | 5046262 bbq on whitehou...
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What was Ron Paul willing to die for? Why didn't he die for what he believed?
This is no longer the age of reason, it is the age of savagery. Kill and eat your kill, die and die alone.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:36 | 5046519 BigJim
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Remind us what you died for?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:24 | 5046725 luckystars
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He served in the air force as a flight surgeon.

He was risking his life just saying what he was saying about the treasonous federal reserve.

The only reason they didn't kill him is because he has too many passionate followers backing him up.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:41 | 5046278 AdvancingTime
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 In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely. Europe has reason to be unexcited about a possible long and expensive conflict. While still trying to recover from a recession Europe would face fuel shortages and a massive spike in the price of natural gas. 

Currently Russia supplies much of the gas used in Europe, this gives Putin a great deal of leverage. If an actual ground attack were to occur few see the Russians as likely to rollover as other armies have when America approaches. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html

 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:43 | 5046282 BOPOH
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My granma often says: why they just do a favor to us and nuke Washington DC for everybodys good?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 18:59 | 5046325 Kirk2NCC1701
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Because We The People need a National Scalpel to get rid of our National Scalpers.

The right tools for the right job.  Nukes ain't it.  But organizing and marching is a great place to start, rather than sitting around and ... Hoping & Dreaming.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:04 | 5046631 Manipuflation
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I appreciate what you have said here but didn't we already try do that?  Ih ave stated before that every Ron Pauler that I know, and I was a two time state delegate, lost their good paying jobs or went through divorce.  EVERY SINGLE ONE AND I KNOW AT LEAST A HUNDRED OF THEM.  For me, it was the former because Mrs. M knows me. 

The further we penetrated thier system, the nastier they became and trust when I say that they are ruthless.  If you challenge these fuckers they wreak havoc on you.  I am not saying we should give up because some of us are so far in now that there is no way to back out.  Seriously, I really am ready to leave the U.S. but where to go?  I do not see anything good going on here.  This nation is a political shitshow and is politcally retarded.  Everyone has their hand out for Yellen bucks and that is the problem so I don't see how we can defeat these bastards without killing them.  Brutal I know but it is the truth.  You can't reason with a ship of fools. 

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 22:57 | 5047384 Seer
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If you want a piece of the power then you ain't going to get it by asking.

Why leave the US?  Yeah, it's going to collapse (as do all empires), but everywhere else will be in turmoil and unless you have some pretty sound roots elsewhere I wouldn't count on being welcomed elsewhere.

"I don't see how we can defeat these bastards without killing them.  Brutal I know but it is the truth.  You can't reason with a ship of fools. "

Pretty much it.  Fools are everywhere, it's a global meltdown.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 07:48 | 5047986 samsara
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The only hope I have is that by 2030 there won't be enough fuel to wage a war.

But they may blow it all up before then.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:38 | 5048697 Farmer Joe in B...
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Why leave the US...??  Because there is cheaper arable land available elsewhere.  Start laying down roots now, if you can.  Most countries aren't going to start expelling US citizens who are classified as permanent residents.  Unfortunately, not everyone has the freedom or foresight to begin the process.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:05 | 5046345 WTFUD
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A voice of reason in a sea of shit&piss.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:19 | 5046423 kchrisc
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"Ron Paul Implores "Why Won't Obama Just Leave Ukraine Alone?"

 

Because the DC US' master-blaster, Israel, wants their gas pipeline and Lebensraum.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:35 | 5047047 Wahooo
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I thought it was a weak article by Paul. He knows damn well why the kenyan won't leave uke alone and he should say so.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 19:33 | 5046499 WTFUD
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The Elites are very cosy in their ivory towers with their paid talking heads fronting their propaganda.

We need Machete's , lots and lots of them, slicing of the limbs of these talking heads.

This would severely discourage these whores. AMEN

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:25 | 5046735 p00k1e
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Ron could always open-carry at the next State of the Union.

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 20:36 | 5046792 bid the soldier...
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In the first place, Obama doesn't have anything to do with the Ukraine or foreign policy.

Victoria Nuland is tugging him around by his nipple ring.  You know how much that hurts.

In the second place, this doesn't have anything to do with peak oil.  

How many fucken times do I have to tell you that?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 21:52 | 5047130 Burticus
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Why, you ask?

As Davis Stockman says in another ZH post, "Basically, the war machine in Washington (the Warfare State), couldn't abide that. There are just too many people that operate in the devil's workshop; which is to say we have all of this capacity, we have all this machinery of war-making and of intervention and of global empire that is obsolete and unnecessary -- and yet it is manned by people who want something to do. Who need to justify budgets. Who need to pursue and prosecute missions."

Besides, what else would you expect someone who goes by "Obomber" to do?

Mon, 08/04/2014 - 23:31 | 5047477 ObamaDepression
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I guess Russian soldiers don't understand geotagged pictures.

This Russian posts pictures taken WITHIN Ukraine, OOOOOooops!

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/01/lv-intv-segall-...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 00:02 | 5047559 vlad335
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This coming from CNN tells me the story is in no way true. If the Russian army was in fact operating in Ukraine there would be no way this slip up would ever happen. Sorry, not buying it.

The propaganda is coming hot and heavy. I fear that Washington is going to make a move, a huge false flag.

Winter is coming.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 03:22 | 5047786 Aussie V
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This is a bit obvious isn't it??

If a Russian soldier was doing what they claim he would be the dumbest creep in the show. I SERIOUSLY doubt if Russia is secretly sending their military into Ukraine they would allow them to have their phones and camera's with them!?!?!

It just doesn't make any logical sense. It makes much more Propaganda sense.

(Just a side note)  When the Assad was accused of using chemical weapons a few months back by the US, my kids asked me if I thought it was true. It really wasn't hard to work out!

# The International Inspectors were arriving the following day!

# Why would he bother when he had so many other weapons that would do the job?

# Why would he risk international outrage by using chem weapons?? The ONLY motive was HATRED. There wasn't any other logic in doing it.

That last point convinced me it was a false flag. The US wanted SO MUCH to portray that Assad was/is consumed by hatred that he would do such a despicable thing.

It is the same with this so called Russian soldier. It 'portrays' that he is # In Ukraine # illdisciplined # loves the western way of social media and, #Dumb. It is just so obvious propaganda.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 02:51 | 5047760 Aussiekiwi
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'So Obama then claimed Russian culpability because Russia’s “support” for the separatists in east Ukraine “created the conditions” for the shoot-down of the aircraft.'

 

So Putin then claimed US culpability because US "support" for Israel "created the conditions" for the shoot-down of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

 

All Fixed, Putin did not actually say that....still.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 05:08 | 5047860 onmail
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2 reasons

1. Being gaylord he wants to eliminate the straight people becuz in Russia being gay is a crime; btw eliminating Russia would mean, he can force rest of the world into gay culture. Darkness spreading.

2. Ukraine has the pipe network, if Obama also captures Russian oil resources then US companies (with the help of McCain & his son)  will make huge money selling oil & gas to Europe later, rich clients eh. They want to break Russia as an egg and make omlette.

 

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