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Flight MH17 - What You're Not Being Told

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Who was really responsible for the downing of flight MH17? Let's take a look at the facts...

As SCG News explains...

On July 17th, 2014 two major events took place: Malaysian flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine, presumably by a missile, and Israel began a ground invasion of Gaza. Israel's invasion was granted an almost complete media blackout. The MH17 tragedy, however, got full coverage, and was immediately propagandized. (This in spite of the fact that far more civilians have been killed by Israel's bombardment of Gaza over the past few weeks.)

The U.S. government and the western media pinned the responsibility for the MH17 tragedy on Russia within minutes, long before investigators had time to even arrive at the scene, much less provide any actual conclusions. Then came an all out information war, with lies, omissions and disinformation coming from all sides.

The geopolitical implications of this event should not be underestimated. If this was ever in doubt, the fact that Obama just sent military advisers to Ukraine to help Kiev in its assault against the east should make it very clear. Depending on how much mileage Washington can get out of it, the downing of flight MH17 could end up being extremely pivotal.

Anyone who knows their history, knows that media coverage of events like these often lay the psychological groundwork for war. Consider the sinking of the Lusitania for example on 5/7/1915 (or the murder archduke Ferdinand in 1914). These combined with the Zimmermann Telegram (which was dispatched on 1/16/1917) pushed US public opinion over the tipping point, and on 4/6/1917 the United States declared war on Germany.

It is worth noting that though the U.S. denied it at the time, later diving expeditions revealed that the Lusitania was indeed smuggling war munitions at the time that was sunk (as Germany had asserted from the beginning). Of course, by the time the truth was known it was far too late for the 116,000 Americans who were killed in that conflict.

So who was REALLY responsible for the downing of flight MH17?

 

Full transcript and supporting evidence here

 

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:31 | 5052087 logicalman
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There is a game called countries.................

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:33 | 5052090 Cognitive Dissonance
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Which country is responsible for the most false flag attacks in the last 50 years?

Take your time and as many tries as you like.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:36 | 5052108 logicalman
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Hmmm....

Gimme a microsecond!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:07 | 5052231 DoChenRollingBearing
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Characters "Hijazi" and "Charlie Gage" from Philip Caputo's masterpiece Horn of Africa (1980), my favorite fiction book of all time:

(Hijazi) "No such man has ever been here," he answered too quickly.

(Gage) "The truth is as rare and valuable as the hashish from Afghanistan."

(H) "I'm not lying."

(G) "How valuable is the truth?"

(H) "That depends on the truth."

 

The scene is in Hijazi's hash den in Bulaq, Cairo...

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:22 | 5052309 ebworthen
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Mmm...hash oil...on foil...

Why haven't we heard or read the cockpit transcript yet? 

Being edited maybe?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:56 | 5052385 ZerOhead
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< Putin made a copy and is waiting

< Putin is an honorable man and did not make a copy

 

Well the Brits have told us that the flight data recorder info is consistent with an explosive decompression (without releasing anything) but they ain't said SHIT about what they heard on the Cockpit Voice Recorder. (rat-ta-ta-ta-tat!!!)

I find that strange... after all they had plenty of time to doctor up a new copy that corresponds to the doctored Data Recorder and of course the missing Kiev tower recordings.

Hmmm... I think they are worried about something.

 

(If I were Putin and I didn't make a copy... just for shits and giggles... I would have some of my guys talk on their encrypted iPhones about how he was waiting for Obama to divulge the info before releasing the REAL recordings...)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:05 | 5052486 Latitude25
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For me this is a watershed event for determining where Putin really sits with the NWO psychobankers.  He either comes clean with the truth or else he's playing along with the insanity and is just as guilty Obummer in promoting a new cold war.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:10 | 5052507 SofaPapa
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This really is the question: who is Vladimir Putin, and who are the oligarchs in Russia?  Is this genuine friction or just theater for we the little people.  I am on the fence on this quesiton...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:45 | 5052779 conscious being
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Sofa man. I had to downvote you a little bit because to me, your question is off a little bit.

Who is Vladomir Putin? Fair enough. But, to me, if you are looking for truth and you want to understand the story,the next question should read

'Who were the Russian oligarchs at the time Putin came to power?' You must realize there have been some changes since then. The oligarchs at the time were agents of a foreign power, bent on crushing the people and looting the country. They thought they would own Vlad like they own their previous puppet, the drunk, pliable Yeltsin and like they own their Western polititians. They were shocked and screaming for bloody murder when Vlad flipped them, flipped them for real when he showed himself to be a Russian patriot and defender of his faith. What followed was open warfare in the Mafia sense.

Real big Zionist Russian oligarchs who stole most of what they had during the break up of the Soviet Union died and/ or were disposessed or jailed or fled or ... a few chose Vladomir and Russia. Most prominent among the latter is Roman Abromovich, owner of [among many other things] Chelsea FC.

Most prominent among the fled and died was Boris Berezovsky who famously threatened from exile in London to have Putin killed as part of a coup he was organizing.

Most prominent among the jailed was Michael Khodorkovsky

People here who claim there's only one side and Putin is part of it need to explain the righteous thashing he gave to the oligarch Mafia when he took power, demonstratibly clawing back wealth for Russia. Ukraine is such a miserable place because they were never freed from the zionist looters the way Russia was. When you wind up getting jailed, having your loot confiscated and possibly dieing as a result of a new team in power, you are clearly not in power any longer,hence we have two teams.

Some people want to break it down into The Statists vs. The Anarchists. Fair enough, but clearly some states are better than others. No Russian ever called me nigger.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:34 | 5054500 JCDK
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I tjink you are uninformed historically.  While the West developed a bureaucratic form of government.  Which is based on written general rules for everybody, Russia developed a system of trustworthy persons,  So those local trusted people (today named oligarchs) were local leaders.  

In both cases the plan for keeping peace and normality was to promote general rules for everybody. I wonder if the western (and japanese) bureaucratic system today could be proven better than the russian.    I for my part sense a prevailing modern western view:   "The truth of the pudding is in the eating".  Completely meaningless, and humanly devastatoing for any independent living person  

You Americans are hopelessly insane, and one could wish for a very heavy sorting away from your access to the civilized world.  What remains of it.

Try to contemplate this:   When you are reading an opinion, you look also for the PERSON behind it.  "The oligarch".  So why is it not a just a bad thing, but a good thing, that the PERSON is identified? The abuse of anonymous postulates in the US are staggering!   You are not "safer" by it, but only DUMBER!  What a career for a human life, you have developed! 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:20 | 5052521 ZerOhead
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< Obamas neoCons want a 'limited' war

< Obama and Putin are yanking our dicks

The way I see it if they are playing together to create a new cold war then the downside is that the collapse comes sooner or somehow we spend so fucking much we inflate our way out of this debt trap. I can live with that.

On the other hand if Obamas neoCons are just 'winging it' (as I believe they are) things could get very ugly very quickly...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:44 | 5052744 12ToothAssassin
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The Neocons do not have Obama in this loop, he is as clueless as the rest of us at this point. Its Kerry/Clan Kagan and the Yalies that are running this op without Obama.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:17 | 5052531 Thought Processor
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Which country is responsible for the most false flag attacks in the last 50 years?

 

Here's a hint:


American Officials Admit that the U.S. Is a Huge Sponsor of Terrorism

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

Such a law was never passed.

Torture – which the U.S. has liberally used  during the last 10 years – has long been recognized as a form of terrorism.

Worldwide, 74% of countries that used torture on an administrative basis were U.S. client states, receiving military and other support to retain power.

 In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.

History proves that most terrorism is STATE SPONSORED.  After the fact the only real question is- which state?

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 07:59 | 5053145 Kirk2NCC1701
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USA!  USA!  USA!

We're #1!  We're #1!  We're #1!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:58 | 5052902 ebear
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"He either comes clean with the truth or else he's playing along with the insanity"

Besides the Russian people, who would believe him?  Any evidence presented, no matter how strong, will automatically be dismissed as fabrication, So, what purpose would it serve?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:23 | 5054428 SofaPapa
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I wouldn't be so sure about the Europeans taking the US side anymore.  The US is of course dismissing what Russia says as a fabrication, but the Europeans are getting less and less comfortable as the lapdogs of the US.  Their leadership is still talking the talk, but on the streets, the people are pretty fed up with the obviously arrogant and imperial behavior of the US government, and at least in Germany, their business interests are also pretty uncomfortable with the "US good / Russia bad" story.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:44 | 5052743 TheEndIsNear
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"Mmm...hash oil...on foil..."

You must be as old as I am, haha.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:32 | 5052947 Jafo
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Thats funny!  The up arrow on your comment seems to have been disabled.  Plus one from me.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:39 | 5052119 The_Prisoner
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Round up the usual suspects

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:42 | 5052134 Ian56
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The evidence is building that the Kiev military shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 in Ukraine  http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/07/malaysia-airline-flight-mh71-crash-in....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:00 | 5052192 nmewn
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Which country in the last 1,500 years? ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5052491 TheReplacement
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That kind of limits it to Italy, France, Iran, China, India, Greece, Japan, Denmark, and... can't think of any other that qualifies as a country that has existed in some form or other for the duration of that time.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:45 | 5052746 12ToothAssassin
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Britain

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:38 | 5052926 svayambhu108
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Then the tape is in good hands, send the tape to the best and oldest spin doctors

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:16 | 5053183 Kirk2NCC1701
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Easy:  That would be a CHRISTIAN country.  Expanding its "market share" by kinetic means.

You know, "Thou Shall Not Kill, Thou Shall Not Covet, Thous Shall not commit Adultery, Turn the other cheek..." 

Good followers of Jesus of Nazareth.  Every MF'ing one of them.  Sorry for the Unexptected Facts, and for knocking over that Church-sponsored Kool Aid fountain.  So fucking sorry.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:04 | 5052228 mastersnark
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Don't confuse quantity with quality.

 

 

 

 

Kidding, USA has both by a mile

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:05 | 5052235 Seize Mars
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Cog

Which country is responsible for the most false flag attacks in the last 50 years?

Take your time and as many tries as you like.

Um, let me guess: Isra-States of Ameri-el?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5052239 Cliff Claven Cheers
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That is what I was thinking, Israel told the US to do it to cover for the ground invasion.

 

Edit** guess I should of added the sarc tag, I am getting to many up votes.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:38 | 5052825 sessinpo
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Cliff Claven Cheers    That is what I was thinking, Israel told the US to do it to cover for the ground invasion.

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Funny. That might be conventional thought. Its been used again and again. Here is another. Islamic extremist groups need enemies just like other governments and organizations.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:52 | 5052843 conscious being
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Cliff- make up your mind instead of manipulating for greenies. Note the flaw in the ZH platform that CC is manipulating. Wud be better if the first vote locks the comment, as does the first reply.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:11 | 5052264 Nadine of Tyrol
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Oligarchs who hijack a bureaucratic structure and use it to engage in lawless behavior to enrich themselves do not a "country" make.  I wonder what would happen if all the people residing on a certain landmass simply refused to play along?  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:06 | 5052493 HardAssets
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@Nadine of Tyrol - - - you are the Winner !

What you described is what exactly takes place around the world.  If national sovereignty means that citizens control (or even have a say) in what 'their nation' does - - - than very little of it exists in the world today.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:34 | 5052585 Frankie Carbone
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Myanmar? Did I get it right? Someone should ask CNN. They're the press by golly, they'll know the truth!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:28 | 5052717 Bingo Hammer
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I suffer from ADHD so I better reply now....I think perhaps the correct answer is.....the J'USA

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 07:56 | 5053138 Geronimo66
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Hey CD,

Dunno why but was thinking of you when I read it;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PICXkTAJEc

Have a nice day neighbour:-))

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:08 | 5053370 hairInTheSoup
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countries are to keep the sheeple divided; the elite doesn't know any boundaries.

since 1870 you can say the zionists are the public figure of the elite however.

(reminder noone knows : hitler was zionist & usa army was sent  to europe AFTER the nazi were already defeated by the russian)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:03 | 5054326 sgt_doom
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Interesting remark about the Lusitania sinking.

In one of John Moody's books (the original founder of Moody's and ultimate Wall Street fanboi), I believe it was Masters of Capital, he crows about how crafty Carnegie and Schwab were to sell the Germans the subs (which would later be used to sink that ship) by going around the official munitions ban and shipping through Canada.

When it is published in a book, you just can't take it back.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:34 | 5052099 junction
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Just a caution, if the black guy near you on the subway is holding a Gambia Bird flight bag and is bleeding out of both ears, you should get off at the next stop.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:42 | 5052132 logicalman
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Problem arises when the next stop is the bus terminal.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:56 | 5052175 Parrotile
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 - At peak Rush Hour, in wet / raining / cold conditions (to maximise the "Huddle Together" effect).

Or, one of the major Asian air hubs (most served by underground rail links) - on a typical busy day - like this . . . . http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Sections/Travel%20Section/______EDIT/FT_cheap%20airline%20seats.grid-6x2.jpg

Even "letting the train take the strain" may not be such a great idea - http://cache.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/01/indian1.jpg - 70,000 people jamming into ONE Train . . . . .

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:29 | 5053230 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Why is it called the terminal?

-Carlin

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:43 | 5052138 Parrotile
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How about a call to Homeland (In)Security?

You'll get extra brownie points for being an "Aware Citizen", which might translate to better lodgings in FEMAVille.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:37 | 5052377 DeadFred
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Oooh, cool! Near the shuffle board courts I hope.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:20 | 5052807 Muppet
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Homeland (In)Security.   Very catchy.   Hope that sticks.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:10 | 5052166 Agent P
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Shouldn't be a problem.....white people are good at getting off at the next stop when a black guy is nearby on the subway. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:27 | 5052342 christofay
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The guy holding the Gambia Bird flight bag is Washington DC

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:38 | 5052601 Frankie Carbone
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Especially if the bird looks like it was roasted on a spit a couple of days ago and it has a few bites taken out of it. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:14 | 5052688 RafterManFMJ
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Rayciss!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:47 | 5052992 mpadpy
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New analysis on where the BUK was fired from by CDN on vineyardsaker.blogspot.com

drive.google.com/file/ d/0ByibNV3SiUoobnpCV DduaHVORHM/edit?usp= sharing

mediafire.com/view/61qa 99yt6v3dq64/MH17Anal ysis_Parts_1_and_2.p df

After looking at BBC and Telegraph reports and using Russian supplied pics of BUK positions only 1 could have hit MH17 and cause the debris damage,

south of Shakhtars'k. This position offers an optimum firing solution as the aircraft will be approaching the launch position rather than moving
away from it, thus avoiding pursuit mode. MH17 is clearly within the 35 km missile range.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:37 | 5052109 Grande Tetons
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I made $9500 jacking off to doom porn. This is how I do it. Updown updown upddown...repeat until...you know. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:49 | 5052149 Oldwood
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I hope you are selling it as you will need the money for new glasses.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:03 | 5052484 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Once you go blind, you won't need glasses....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:35 | 5052571 juangrande
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A man walks into his son's bedroom and yells, " Son. If you keep doing that you'll go blind!"  The boy waves his arms and exclaims, " But dad! I'm over here!" 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:45 | 5052615 Frankie Carbone
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Bullshit myth. My cat'lick priest, back in the days in grade school told me the worst thing that will happen is that I get a bad case of the flu or a few warts. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:53 | 5052995 JohninMK
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Well, that was advice from an expert, hope he wasn't demonstrating at the time as many of them seem to have been that way inclined.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:24 | 5052320 MsCreant
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Injecteur à téton?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:41 | 5052126 Bay of Pigs
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The US, Ukraine and Russia all know who, how and why the plane was shot down. Nobodys talking or providing any solid answers. Makes me wonder why.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:54 | 5052171 813kml
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The shocking story shall be revealed as soon as US gov finishes filling out its Mad Libs.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:10 | 5052259 actionjacksonbrownie
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The negotiations are ongoing...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:08 | 5052244 Seize Mars
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Bay of Pigs

The meaning of this is clear. Russia is neck deep in the Rothschild snare as everyone else. We're all being played like a violin.

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:12 | 5052266 Grande Tetons
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Stratovarius ain't got nuttin on de Rozchile, man. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:47 | 5052623 Frankie Carbone
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When you MAKE all the money, literally, and people today are so morally degenerate that they'd throw their own grandma in a FEMA camp for an iPhone, well.... THAT is power. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:10 | 5052502 TheReplacement
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Man you are gonna blow the whole "I wanna blow Putin" thing going on here.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:32 | 5052578 Seize Mars
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So we're blowing the blowing?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:04 | 5052788 Rock On Roger
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Blow On

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:51 | 5052635 HardAssets
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Its possible that Russian intel was limited to what they showed in press conferences. Maybe they have a good idea of what took place, but can't prove it 100% with supporting evidence that they hold.  But, they also know that U.S. intel sat was positioned such that they could clear everything up completely.  US isn't providing that sat intel because it shows that forces they are allied with are responsible.

In other words, there is another explanation other than that  the Russkies are part of a controlled globalist conspiracy. Its possible that this is the case, but there are alternative explanations for their actions.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:23 | 5052702 RafterManFMJ
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As another poster noted a few days ago - Putin cannot reveal that the plane was blown from the sky by Ukranian fighters in a botched attempt to assassinate him as this would necessitate a declaration of war and an invasion.

True or not, who knows.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 06:29 | 5053029 Flagit
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Actually, the supposed assassination attempt was an inside job intended to implicate Strelkov, as he is the linchpin of the entire resistance movement. The dude IS John Connor! The origin of those rumors were traced back to the Ukie Gov.

If the Ukies can cut Russian support for the battle commander, the separatists would splinter and fail. Remember recently how the new mayor of Donetsk was forced to flee to Kiev after the plot to surrender/sellout, was uncovered? That deal might have very well been sealed had it not been for Strelkov and his meddling kids!

It was really a master stroke. The level of depth behind these moves really raises the bar in the eyes of the world. If you can't kill your enemy, get his boss to do it!

The events have been detailed at The Saker, whose website provides excellent daily sitreps for Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, and now Nigeria.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 06:23 | 5053022 Pundit
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Supposing Putin has all the evidence that proves the Ukies shot down the plane wouldn't it be logical for a chess player like him to hold back all the data until the opposite side presents the "official" results of the investigation and then retaliate showing the entire world who the real perpetrator and liar is?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:16 | 5052855 conscious being
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Look Seize, way to early to make that call. I think they want to make the AngloZinos dig a deeper pit for themselves. These are dangerous mofos Vlad's dealing with. Gotta box them in nice and tight before you put the hammer down. If they haven't made their case or the reveal hasn't occurred w/i say 90 days, you might be on to something.

BTW Seize, if I remember correctly, you're kind of a Zionist-shit-stirrer aren't you?

Now why would a Zionist-shit-stirrer want to push the meme that Putin is just another stooge? Hmmm. You guys are famous liars. Hold on. You're really making the case the Putin is a righteous dude after all. Thanks for clearing that up.

msg. To Stooge. No offense about the stooge thing. OK?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:50 | 5052426 Quus Ant
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Mexican standoff. 

Now that's what I call a sticky situation. 

Quus Ant:  Respecter of Persons

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:22 | 5052546 HardAssets
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MH-17 ?

Is that still in 'the news' ?

Not completely down the Memory Hole yet ? The number of articles on it are drastically diminished. Give it another month to completely disappear.

Of course it got intense attention not long ago. But a lot of attention is now on Gaza. And also on Ebola. But before that I seem to remember something about some rancher and cows or something. . . .it's kinda vague though.

Someone likes to create an atmosphere of turmoil and a sense of panic & fear in people. Hit em with a lot of stuff so there's a sense of 'acceleration' which leads to feeling overwhelmed.

But I'm sure they'll offer a 'solution' someday. People will be screaming for it.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:41 | 5052129 Mentaliusanything
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Well we have been told Zip. Still waiting for the Aircontrol audio to match the plane recording. They (those in power) have both .. Lets hear them match.

I will just file it with JFK, Market manipulation, 911, Vietnam war, Iraq invasion and up the Meds

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:49 | 5052148 heywood
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More from the ZeroHedge branch of RussiaToday!

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:51 | 5052160 Oldwood
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Remaining a contrarian can make strange bedfellows.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:40 | 5052867 conscious being
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.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:22 | 5052311 McCormick No. 9
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If we want to listen to lies and fantasy, we can all go right over to CNN, any time we want to.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:21 | 5052869 conscious being
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You got 1 down vote. Maybe Heywood is that Anderson 360 tool?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:48 | 5052419 Everybodys All ...
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If people think that Putin would not use propaganda that would benefit Russia they are simply not living in the real world of a former KGB agent.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:57 | 5052447 Schizofrantic Squonk
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Come to think of it, I’m not living in the real world of a former KGB agent. To be honest, it’s kind of a relief.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:44 | 5052616 walküre
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Putin is preparing counter sanctions that will bite the US/EU in the ass. Winter is always working in Russia's favor.

Neither Napoleon nor Hitler could beat Russia during the winter months.

Rest assured that Russia is full on prepping for a war with the West at the Ukrainian border. It just doesn't get advertised let alone propagandized. FWIW the West (US/EU Nato) aren't saying how many troops they're already deploying through Poland.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:54 | 5052639 Frankie Carbone
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Armies march into Russia only to have their collective balls cut off. 

On paper, the NATO and the US look superior. Factor in supply lines, the Russian winter (wouldn't surprise me if there were nudist camps in Siberia, in WINTER), and the fact that Russians go bat shit fanatically crazy when they're invaded, and a US/NATO war with Russia, on historic Russian soil, is genocide. 

And not for the Ruskies. 

There's an old saying about this. "When the Russian Army is on the move there is not a dry eye to be found". 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:20 | 5052915 BTFDemocracy
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There's one place the Russian Army will not march through- Finland.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:16 | 5052692 HardAssets
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@ Everybodyss All -  LOGICAL FALLACY !   Non Sequitur - your statement has nothing to do with the matter discussed, which is the evidence regarding MH-17. Your statement is irrelevant.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:13 | 5052683 HardAssets
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@Haywood    LOGICAL FALLACY !  Ad Hominem attack of the person(s) rather than their evidence or argument.

Bush league.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:55 | 5052176 nmewn
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"Malaysian flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine, presumably by a missile, and Israel began a ground invasion of Gaza. Israel's invasion was granted an almost complete media blackout."

On what planet?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:03 | 5052219 NoDebt
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Good point.  I recall wall-to-wall coverage as well.  ISIS taking over major parts of Syria and Iraq (killing thousands in the process) has gotten less coverage.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:03 | 5052220 Parrotile
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Certainly was the case on Planet Australia ('cause "it's different here, Mate!") VERY little Gaza coverage, BLANKET coverage (TV, Internet "news", Radio) of the MH17 "Tragedy" with ALL our MSM pointing the finger at Putin. Not a single dissenting view, just "It was a Russian Missile, therefore The Russians (i.e. Putin) Did It!"

You'll be interested to know that despite plenty of contradictory emergent evidence, the Thick-as-a-Brick Aussie population are still completely convinced that "Russia Did It" and no amount of reasoned argument will shift this view.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 06:03 | 5053004 PhilofOz
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... and I gave our population more credit than that! Just goes to show that our MSM has its strings pulled by the same tight-knit family that runs the US MSM. These devious bastards have managed to destoy all form of critical thinking!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:28 | 5053229 Kirk2NCC1701
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When did the "That's not a knife, mate" Aussies become such "pussies"?

The Canuck media at least gives fair and balanced coverage.  /"Go Leafs!"*/ sarc

* The hockey team that perennially manages to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory".

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:47 | 5052625 walküre
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For fucks sake, don't twist the truth. We've all lived through the past 4 weeks.

WORLD CUP ended

BRICS bank announced

MH17 downed

GAZA invasion started

Obama 3 over par

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:00 | 5052187 financialrealist
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And this is surprising...example, even if the Americans being tested for Ebola are positive, it will be reported the test were negative. You think they'll willingly admit it's out of Africa and is now uncontained in the developed world.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:59 | 5052190 robertocarlos
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Who is this "Carlos" guy they are looking to disappear?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:01 | 5052200 NoWayJose
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What gets really scary is that this coverup is not just the US and the Ukies. We are seeing evidence now in the hands of England who has the Black Boxes, and the UN inspectors and Malaysia inspectors who should be interpreting the Black Box results along side them. The US must also have paid the private satellite firm to keep quiet, and then had to round up all its own satellite guys to hush them up - PLUS all the radar operators on all the warships (there was an exercise) and ground stations located near Ukraine. My guess is that there are too many loose ends - the US cannot show what they have (the Ukies did it) nor can they release false data without some of its own saying "BOGUS"! So instead, they say little or nothing that can be considered 'official'. There is no 'end game' for this other than to hope the problem fades from memory.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:01 | 5052207 Bumbu Sauce
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Rendition awaits an unfortunate and obscure youtube uploader.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:08 | 5052251 mastersnark
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Hopefully it's the "extraordinary" version. "Regular" rendition is so 2003

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:57 | 5052653 Frankie Carbone
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Coming soon... EXTREME Rendition. That's where your torso is flown to Poland and your legs get sent to Egypt. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:03 | 5052221 americanspirit
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Good God - this woman is definitely around the bend. If this is the state of mind of the puppets who the illuminati have at the helm of global institutions then they are recruiting from an imposibly shallow pool of candidates. Do you suppose her tan is chemical or solar? Clearly whatever the source it has deeply affected her mind. Or perhaps it weas just feeble to begin with. And let's not overlook the fact that in the beginning she tells the audience that she is about to give a speech that she has been programmed to deliver. An intellectual whore IMO.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:20 | 5052297 db51
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That was the creepiest mother fucking speech I've ever heard in my entire life.  a BIG W T F Moment.   This my friend, is a sampling of the fucktards in control of the entire global financial system.   Holy Fuck.  That cunt was drugged up on power so big that some demon from hell was actually speaking the words for her.   We are so doomed.  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:26 | 5052335 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Did you find a muppet bagholder yet offload your wheat onto?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:33 | 5052368 db51
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I've been incrementally selling it all on upticks in the futures.   As tomorrow morning, I'm all unloaded, check in hand.  Glad I didn't get in too big a hurry in jumping on the silver bandwagon the other day.   Perhaps I should throw it all into stocks?    lmao.    All of that soft red wheat will soon be cake flour.   How fitting.  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:06 | 5052490 Cliff Claven Cheers
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I would not let the dip in stocks scare you, go all in, they have been the best return going for the last 5 years.  The logical thing would be precious metals but the markets are not logical and dont rely on fundaments and are manipulated.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:04 | 5052222 ramacers
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haven't heard anything from netherlands authorities/medical examniers about mh17 bodies (pieces) returned. could it be mh17/370 bodies/remains interchangable?

hey vlad! stiffen the spine and ready the nuke algos. they're comin' for ya.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:04 | 5052229 old_turk
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WTf!,

Jeez, a bunch of guys with a BUK and the will to use it.

There solved it for you.

Trying to tie the Zimmerman telegraph to some Rothschilean master stroke is both pedantic and tedious.

Wow, if you have something to tie to the Greys and Roswell, OK. But, right now, it's the poor schlops that where playing with stuff without adequate command and control who are now in the Russian version of the WPP (ie buried in an unmarked grave somewhere not to far away).

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:19 | 5052293 mastersnark
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You forgot the part where the separatists hacked Ukrainian ATC and ordered the plane to fly over Donetsk, deleted Italian ATC radio traffic, and took control of various Ukrainian Twitter accounts to post demonstrably false evidence.

But otherwise, it's a solid theory.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:37 | 5052925 Truly Inspiration
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Can't you realize that with ONE BUK only you are not able to shoot down an airliner? Also Mainstream admits it meanwhile. In addition the CDN report from experts proof that even in case the rebels would have used it their BUK location provided by the western media is outsite of the range where the plane was hit!

So you close your eyes and don't accept reality. But maybe you are one of these supporters for the global war. Let's hope that the first nuke comes down close at your place that you and your family members can watch the show.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:07 | 5052939 Sandmann
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An SA-11 apparently leaves a smoke trail visible up to 25km away but not by a US KeyHole satellite apparently.

US radar systems are so outdated they cannot identify a 700kg 6-metre missile launch.

It is tragic that the USA does not possess modern satellite or radar technology.

Wow, with NORAD's inability to track hi-jacked airliners inside the USA it looks as if Americans should hide in their bomb shelters !

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:19 | 5052970 Victor999
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I personally do not believe the plane was shot down by a Buk missile, but if it was, the Saker just released a new analysis by a 'CDN', supposedly a professional analyst knowledgeable in these things, saying that the given all that we know about the position of the plane when it was hit, its trajectory as it fell, and the pattern of its wrekage eliminate the possibility of the Buk system supposedly captured by the rebels hqaving done the dirty deed - according to him, from the location ascribed by 'witnesses' it could not have even detected the plane in time as it was out of range at the time the missile was fired.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByibNV3SiUoobnpCVDduaHVORHM/edit?pli=1

 

If you are truly interested in the truth and not just parroting Western MSM, then I suggest you read this account.  It eliminates all possibility of a rebel-fired missile, and confirms that one of the three Buk missile installations active at the time of the crash was the only system positioned to accomplish the job.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 06:49 | 5053049 Winston Churchill
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Without at least two tellars, plus  the very highly trained crews to run them, and fire control,

you stand better odds of winning the powerball, than hitting one with just the launcher.

Only the Ukes had all three.

The actual question is not who, but was it ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:05 | 5052237 spanish inquisition
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I am just going to state that I see absolutley no correlation between Malaysian airliners going down and the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission finding Israel guilty of war crimes. Nada. None what so ever.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:09 | 5052256 Seize Mars
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Makes me want to puke.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:44 | 5052887 conscious being
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Seize, my little zino-buddy. As soon as I saw the Malaysian war crime tribunal mention, I knew I would find you here.

I'm sure it makes you want to puke.

Hey, while I have you here, please share some more of your insider scoop zino-info about how we are supposed to feel about Putin. We want to know how we're supposed to think and of course, we won't know til we hear it from you, straight from the horse's ass.

Thanks again for the effort.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:12 | 5052269 mastersnark
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Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission: The "Hollywood Upstairs Medical College" of the NWO.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:23 | 5052317 insanelysane
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Do you think someone did a trial run on the one that went missing to see exactly how the wreckage would look???

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:31 | 5052329 ZerOhead
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You forgot the other trial in Kuala Lumpur...

 

"At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals for public record."

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-cri...

 

How unlucky that Malaysian Airlines (MH370 & MH17) is owned by this same government...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:31 | 5052359 moonshadow
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haha- well what do u expect from an islamic 'war crimes' commision in a largely islamic country? is it some kind of surprise to u?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:40 | 5052386 McCormick No. 9
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Hey, I just moved along. I didn't see nuthin. That Christine Legarde is one hot bitch though. Hot. Definitely a 7.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:03 | 5052664 Rock On Roger
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The orange witch of the west.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:25 | 5052874 adeptish
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I'd smash the granny out of it tho...

Just sayin'...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:11 | 5052682 22winmag
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Well... it might have a little something to do with Malaysia refusing to hand over control of the most important shipping lane in the world to the globalist demon cats from hell.

 

It may also have something to do with the Malaysian government's official position that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bush and associates are 1st degree war criminals.

 

Maybe... just maybe.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:09 | 5052254 rsnoble
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No wonder they hate net neutrality.  Which btw the big$ has all the civil rights groups(poor people) paid off now and believing it needs to change to the liking of our overlords.

Cats out of the bag motherfuckers.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:12 | 5052270 Buck Johnson
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They need war with Russia in order to blame them for the implosion of the economy.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:16 | 5052287 DIgnified
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Love this guys videos. Well spoken, tries to thoroughly research.  His new ebola film is worth the watch

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:30 | 5052344 kill switch
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Flight MH17 Shoot-Down Scenario Shifts

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/flight-mh17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/5394746

 

Contrary to the Obama administration’s public claims blaming eastern Ukrainian rebels and Russia for the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, some U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame, according to a source briefed on these findings.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:11 | 5052511 Cymore Duttz
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The party at fault was the airline co. Think about it. They had the duty to take care of their passengers.  There was only one place in the world where several jet planes had been shot down with powerful surface to air missiles.

Should a competent person fly over that spot?

Yeah it s a popular air corridor. It would cost about $200 to fly around the combat area. No one else had been shot down. So why bother being careful. Bang. 

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:03 | 5052665 bid the soldier...
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When Ukraine Air Traffic Control and 2 Ukrainian jets tailing you all tell you to fly over Donetsk, you fly over Donetsk.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:39 | 5052827 Ides of November
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They definitely deserve some of the blame - they shouldn't have been flying anywhere near the warzone at all - which would have prevented the Ukrainians pulling this trick in the first place.

Why would they shoot down MH17? Most likely they got the ok from the CIA (because of all the various geo-political reasons Malaysia is in the American cross-hairs).

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:31 | 5052360 tony wilson
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Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17.

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39341.htm

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:40 | 5052389 SIOP
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It all goes back to defending the dollar as the reserve currency.

WAY way back in 2006, I read one simple article about this subject and because of that article I've been following our "reserve currency" status ever since.

The article I read way back then, thankfully someone saved it and it's still available on the web. It's well worth a read if you have the time.

Link-->  The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse  by Krassimir Petrov PhD, originally published by Energy Bulletin  | Jan 17, 2006

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:43 | 5052403 q99x2
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I'm not one to jump to conclusions but if Joe Biden's son was slated to start blowing gas out of the ground as soon as opposition to ground water contamination was removed I'd say he pretty much has the looks of the bearded bandit.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:59 | 5052457 Moccasin
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Smells like a false flag, looks like an inside job, the Ukrainian Air Force is looking like the prime suspect in this mass murder. Call Kojak.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:12 | 5052509 teslaberry
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IT WAS THE JEWS!!!!!!!!! THE JOOOOSSS!!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:30 | 5052569 robertocarlos
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OJ Simpson?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:20 | 5052868 The_Prisoner
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Actually...

"Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Kolomoisky, an Ukrainian-Israeli.

Kolomoisky has raised his own private mercenary army, and some say they even own the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky is the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine.

Kolomoisky chooses to «command» his army from the safety of Switzerland.

Burisma is part of Kolomoisky’s large umbrella corporation called Privat Group. He is estimated to be the second-richest person in Ukraine, also has strong connections inside Kiev’s Borispol International Airport, where it has been reported that Ukrainian Interior Ministry troops stormed the air traffic control tower shortly before MH-17 was shot down."

Joe Biden’s son, oligarch fingered in MH17 crash: http://praag.org/?p=14891

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:37 | 5052948 dreadnaught
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why make fun of the TROOTH? makes you look like a FOOL! lol

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:28 | 5052561 Circle of DNA
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Detailed expert analysis of the MH17 downing

a detailed analysis made by "CDN" of the circumstances of the downing of MH17. Just released on the Saker's blog

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:31 | 5052577 Joe Blogger
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Recovery and investigation on Flight MH17

"... we found the people, the separatists that are there to be professional and co-operative and essentially helpful to our purposes of moving - removing remains, and perhaps later on removing some of the pieces of wreckage." - Australian Air Chief Marshal Allan Grant "Angus" Houston (The Australian 'Prime Minister's special envoy overseeing events on the ground in Ukraine. He has been working around the clock, negotiating with government and opposition forces in an effort to get in and lead the recovery operation.')

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Houston
- http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2014/s4054650.htm

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:34 | 5052587 geekz_rule
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been subscribed to SCG's stuff for a while the kid does his best to research before releasing relevent and good video's. pulls them quickly and corrects when he gets new information. pretty rare in today's bs fear pr0n world.

 

of course, MH17 is completely suspect. timing is everything... 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:56 | 5052648 walküre
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JULY 17 2014 - 7 1 7 2 1 4

BRICS DEVELOPMENT BANK ANNOUNCED

JULY 17 2014 - 7 1 7 2 1 4

MH17 GOES DOWN

HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE NOT TO SEE THE LINKS

Nevermind the fucking cunt Lagarde and her numerology speech at the beginning of the year where she clearly speaks of G7 and not G8 which it still was in January. She knew Russia was going to get the boot. She also knew that something earth shattering would happen. Well, is the BRICS bank earth shattering enough for you all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

Then she gives the mumbo jumbo speech about the "magic number 7" and in the 7th month of this magic year 2+1+4 (drop the zero - her words), the BRICS form a bank (and Lagarde and the IMF are NOT at the table) and the same day or a day later (depending on time zone) a commercial Malaysian jet with the flight number 17 goes down on the 17th.

Hey you conspiracy rocket scientists. The truth is so obvious, it will bite you in the butt.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:31 | 5052720 walküre
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Also the vanished Malaysian plane MH370 - 3 8 2 1 4

What else happened that week?

http://theweek.com/article/index/257698/10-things-you-need-to-know-today...

Crimea anyone?

Lagarde's speech held numerous clues about things that have happened and are still going to happen in this "magic" year 2014. It was a road map of events and dates for the chosen few, the elite, the cabal, the "in the know" crowd.

ALOT MORE WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

My 7th sense tells me that a major event is happening in November, possibly 11/7.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:46 | 5052734 Aussiekiwi
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too much sarc, withdrawn

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 06:37 | 5053039 medium giraffe
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too much? unpossible.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:02 | 5052663 22winmag
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I thought this story was dead and buried already.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:16 | 5052802 Arkadaba
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MSM would like it that way - I wonder why?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:24 | 5052708 Flying Tiger Comics
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Educate yourself.

http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/tag/mh17/

You like stories about banks right? Sure you do.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:42 | 5052739 bid the soldier...
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I admit I have not seen the crashed fuselage of MH17 up close, but I have read enough about it to believe it was shot down by the Ukrainian Air Force.

That is why the Ukrainian authorities have not released the air traffic controller's conversation with the pilots.

That is why the Ukrainian Army is hell bent to get to the wreckage of the plane and destroy as much incriminating evidence as they can.

And, as a sidelight, why Frans Timmermans the Dutch FM told Obama to go fuck himself when his administration asked Holland to approve Aruba's extradition of suspected drug king pin, Hugo Carvajal.

Who was then released from detention and returned to Venezuela. 

For me the only unanswered question is: why was the plane shot down and what role the US had in it.

Was it cover for the Israeli invasion of Gaza to give the Gobbelslike Media of the West an alternative to the slaughter in Gaza.

Or perhaps Kiev mistakenly believed the plane was Putin's returning from Brazil. 

Neither of these conspiracies is likely and I suppose I will have to wait until the Netherlands' report is released. 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:50 | 5052957 TweedleDeeDooDah
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I admit I (too) have not seen the crashed fuselage of MH17 up close, however has anyone? All we know is that significant portions were sawn off and taken away... portions that would be crucial to a complete investigation. The pro-russian forces made damn sure that would NEVER happen.

Russia is doing the same game plan as in still-occupied Transdnistria, under the same false pretense. Even using many of the same actors.

All Russia wants is it's near slave factories, slave mines, and lowly-paid ethnic Russian slaves to continue to prop up a section of it's economy because without that part, they have to look to the unfriendly "everywhere else" to fill that need once Ukraine went "free market".

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:59 | 5052962 Victor999
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Lots of talk about pieces being sawed and taken away.  Proof please?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5054834 bid the soldier...
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"pieces being sawed off and taken away."

In an ox cart, No doubt.

Until the Dutch, Australian, etc, inspectors release their findings, the closest thing to a smoking gun we have is the fact that the Ukrainian government HAS STILL NOT MADE PUBLIC THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONVERSATION WITH MH17.

Imagine if Russia or her allies failed to release the conversation with a passenger jet immediately before it was shot down.

The Western media would have a story about it every day.  Since it is the US ally, Ukraine, that has failed the forthcoming test, there is only silence from the once honorable NYT and WP.

Ukraine has had a month to alter the tapes, lose the tapes or invent a fairy tale meaning to them.

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