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Here Comes Snowden 2.0... And How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

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Moments ago CNN blasted a headline stating that the US believes there is a new, post-Snowden leaker exposing national security. Why? The reason is the following article that was released a few hours ago by the Intercept, and which is an expose on yet another classified system called Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), in which we read: "The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush." And there is Snowden 2.0.

Aside from this rather stunning revelation, we also learn the following:

  • The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.
  • The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.
  • The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract  data to add to the watchlists.
  • 16,000 people, including 1,200 Americans, have been classified as “selectees” who are targeted for enhanced screenings at airports and border crossings.
  • There are 611,000 men on the main terrorist watchlist and 39,000 women.
  • The top five U.S. cities represented on the main watchlist for “known or suspected terrorists” are New York; Dearborn, Mich.; Houston; San Diego; and Chicago. At 96,000 residents, Dearborn is much smaller than the other cities in the top five, suggesting that its significant Muslim population—40 percent of its population is of Arab descent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—has been disproportionately targeted for watchlisting.
  • The top “nominating agencies” responsible for placing people on the government’s watchlists are: the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
  • In 2013, the main terrorism database included more than 860,000 biometric files on 144,000 people.
  • The database contains more than a half a million facial images, nearly a quarter of a million fingerprints and 70,000 iris scans.
  • The government maintains biometric data on people that it hasn’t identified–TIDE contains 1,800 “BUPs,” or “biometrics of unknown persons.”
  • In a single year, the government expanded its collection of “non-traditional” biometric data, including dramatic increases in handwriting samples (32 percent), signatures (52 percent), scars, marks, and tattoos (70 percent), and DNA strands (90 percent).

Snowden 2.0 speaks:

A U.S. government official told The Intercept that as of November 2013, there were approximately 700,000 people in the Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, but declined to provide the current numbers. Last month, the Associated Press, citing federal court filings by government lawyers, reported that there have been 1.5 million names added to the watchlist over the past five years. The government official told The Intercept that was a misinterpretation of the data. “The list has grown somewhat since that time, but is nowhere near the 1.5 million figure cited in recent news reports,” he said. He added that the statistics cited by the Associated Press do not just include nominations of individuals, but also bits of intelligence or biographical information obtained on watchlisted persons.

So how does the US government if you are a "potential terrorist":

Most people placed on the government’s watchlist begin in a larger, classified system known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE). The TIDE database actually allows for targeting people based on far less evidence than the already lax standards used for placing people on the watchlist. A more expansive—and invasive—database, TIDE’s information is shared across the U.S. intelligence community, as well as with commando units from the Special Operations Command and with domestic agencies such as the New York City Police Department.

 

The documents also offer a glimpse into which groups the government is targeting in its counterterrorism mission. The groups with the largest number of targeted people on the main terrorism watchlist—aside from “no recognized terrorist group affiliation”—are al Qaeda in Iraq (73,189), the Taliban (62,794), and al Qaeda (50,446). Those are followed by Hamas (21,913) and Hezbollah (21,199).

 

Although the Obama administration has repeatedly asserted that al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula poses the most significant external terrorist threat to the United States, the 8,211 people identified as being tied to the group actually represent the smallest category on the list of the top ten recognized terrorist organizations. AQAP is outnumbered by people suspected of ties to the Pakistan-based Haqqani Network (12,491), the Colombia-based FARC (11,275,) and the Somalia-based al-Shabab (11,547).

 

The documents also reveal that as of last year, the U.S. had designated 3,200 people as “known or suspected terrorists” associated with the war in Syria. Among them were 715 Europeans and Canadians, as well as 41 Americans. Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recently claimed that there are more than 12,000 foreign fighters in Syria, including more than 1,000 Westerners and roughly 100 Americans.

 

Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.

In shrug chart format:

And the punchline: a dystopia in which Tom Cruise drops out of drone and shoots you before you have even done anything.

“We’re getting into Minority Report territory when being friends with the wrong person can mean the government puts you in a database and adds DMV photos, iris scans, and face recognition technology to track you secretly and without your knowledge,” says Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “The fact that this information can be shared with agencies from the CIA to the NYPD, which are not known for protecting civil liberties, brings us closer to an invasive and rights-violating government surveillance society at home and abroad.”

Much more in the full Intercept article.

But wait, because this is where it gets even more surreal.

Presenting the US disinformation propaganda bureau in its full grandure. From HuffPo:

The Associated Press dropped a significant scoop on Tuesday afternoon, reporting that in the last several years the U.S. government's terrorism watch list has doubled.

 

A few minutes after the AP story, then consisting of three paragraphs, was posted at 12:32 p.m., The Intercept published a much more comprehensive article. The original article, which has since been updated and expanded, appears below:

 

 

ap story

 

The government, it turned out, had "spoiled the scoop," an informally forbidden practice in the world of journalism. To spoil a scoop, the subject of a story, when asked for comment, tips off a different, typically friendlier outlet in the hopes of diminishing the attention the first outlet would have received. Tuesday's AP story was much friendlier to the government's position, explaining the surge of individuals added to the watch list as an ongoing response to a foiled terror plot.

 

The practice of spoiling a scoop is frowned upon because it destroys trust between the journalist and the subject. In the future, the journalist is much less willing to share the contents of his or her reporting with that subject, which means the subject is given less time, or no time at all, to respond with concerns about the reporting.

 

The government's decision to spoil a story on the topic of national security is especially unusual, given that it has a significant interest in earning the trust of national security reporters so that it can make its case that certain information should remain private.

 

After the AP story ran, The Intercept requested a conference call with the National Counterterrorism Center. A source with knowledge of the call said that the government agency admitted having fed the story to the AP, but didn't think the reporter would publish before The Intercept did. "That was our bad," the official said.

 

Asked by The Intercept editor John Cook if it was the government's policy to feed one outlet's scoop to a friendlier outlet, a silence ensued, followed by the explanation: “We had invested some quality time with Eileen," referring to AP reporter Eileen Sullivan, who the official added had been out to visit the NCTC.

 

"After seeing you had the docs, and the fact we had been working with Eileen, we did feel compelled to give her a heads up," the official said, according to the source. "We thought she would publish after you."

 

...

 

AP spokesman Paul Colford responded to questions about the timing of the stories in a statement to The Huffington Post: "Pulitzer Prize-winning AP reporter Eileen Sullivan has been covering this territory for a long time. She gathered and reported additional news today as part of her expertise on this subject."

Not even Orwell could have foreseen the government waging such an open propaganda war...

In the meantime, don't be cyncial of the world's most "transparent" administration: be hopeful; after all you still haven't been killed for a crime you never committed.

 

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:26 | 5050583 samsara
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Snowden 2.0 

Love it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:33 | 5050586 zaphod
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But this is what the American people want, they chose "security over freedom" starting over 100 years ago. 

At first it was only limited to basic financial security through a larger central government, but it has grown into welfare, housing, disability, food, now healthcare and privacy. 

Only an independant people capable of taking care of themselves can truly be free from government and deserve it, this independance from a feudal king or socialist government is what makes a people exceptional.

The American people neither are capable nor deserving today. This spying is just the latest in a long list of freedoms lost.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:33 | 5050623 HippieHaulers
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More like limited hangout 2.0. There's no opposition like controlled opposition!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:34 | 5050627 Anusocracy
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The vast majority of terrorists are in Washington,D.C. and are working for the government.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:43 | 5050654 lordylord
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Exposing national security = Exposing illegal government activity

Don't know about all of you, but being labeled a terrorist by our government is more like a compliment.  I shudder to think about being called a patriot at this time.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:47 | 5050687 FuzzyDunlop21
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"Biometric". I see where this is going. Within 2 years there will be a warehouse that stores everyones SHIT. Your poop. Believe it

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:04 | 5050772 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I found this sorta thing to be abhorrent and egregious under Bush. 

But I'm perfectly okay with it under Obama.  Because Obama. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:08 | 5050785 12ToothAssassin
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The Inept is just another CIA enterprise. This is limited hangout 2.0 theater

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:29 | 5050843 ZerOhead
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Yes it is.

But see how it changes the focus of previous NSA spying stories from politicians and all citizens to now only potential muslim terrorists?

That tells me Snowden may in fact be the real deal.

Pierre Omidyar can't even get out 1/10 of 1% of the Snowden NSA doc's and now he has ANOTHER NSA source that tells the people the NSA is actually in fact after TERRORISTS when we already know they focus the majority of their efforts spying on  and controlling our already bought and paid for politicians.

Plus Piere is a good friend, financial supporter and frequent visitor to one Barrack Obama.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:35 | 5050893 pods
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Here is the problem, and why I fucking hate all of these leaks and the back and forth here between hero and hang out.

The national government has usurped power that was not granted to it by the constitution. 
No matter what it uses that power for it for it is still tyranny.  

That is about all the fuck I can give about these revelations.

pods 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:41 | 5050920 Liberal
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Well, you'd look cool and trendy, too, if you'd just stop thinking for yourself and learn to accept and rock free Obamaphone, free Obamacare, free Obamahome, free Obamalife and free Obamathoughts and all that comes with being a Democrat.

Hey wait a minute...ARE YOU RACIST?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:45 | 5050934 Manthong
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Cast a huge enough net and you are bound to find an anchovy or two in it

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:45 | 5050937 Liberal
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Or racists!  We must catch all racists!  And potential racists, too!

Because Obama. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:49 | 5050951 Manthong
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..but we should care for the Nazis and the invading hordes.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:55 | 5050984 Manthong
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How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

So they know about the missus?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:27 | 5051138 gh0atrider
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Satoshi 2.0

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:34 | 5051171 svayambhu108
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The list of all 3 billion terrorists would really impress me, now that's a leak.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:44 | 5051435 wisefool
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Any space monkeys want to get together and crack a crypto currency?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:48 | 5051454 SWRichmond
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  • The top “nominating agencies” responsible for placing people on the government’s watchlists are: the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Please add "SPLC" to that list.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:21 | 5051555 nmewn
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Ain't that the truth.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:29 | 5051595 MeMadMax
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73k for al quaida in iraq...

 

But yet, they were able to launch a surprise, obama authorized, attack...

 

^.^

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:43 | 5051871 wisefool
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i live below the mason dixon line and and I I am also impoverished, the 501c3 dude from SLPC should probably be left to his own 501c3 devices.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:12 | 5051322 TungstenBars
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Q: How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

A: You don't work for the interests of the government. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:58 | 5051483 RaceToTheBottom
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No biggie, just ask Israel if we have Snowden 2.0.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 07:20 | 5053087 doctor10
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In a short time, the refusal of these "offerings" from Fed.Gov will be sufficient reason to be placed on such a list!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:49 | 5050949 ZerOhead
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Correct.

We already know all we need to know. It would still be nice for the public to see those 28 pages in the 9/11 report however. Then they can ask the next question which is  "Who put the Saudis up to this?" :)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:30 | 5051154 janus
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i tried to up you, Zerohead...but your meter wasn't available.  so i decided to comment.

as to your thoughts above concerning Snowden, i tend to agree...but what's even more revealing is that attention is mystically drawn away from one 'agency' and then transferred to another.  oh, what a tangled web we weave...nevertheless, Snowden keeps comin out snow-white in every wash -- his cred is still unimpeached with janus.

now, regarding the 28 pages...yesirree, those are some heavy reading...dense, like black-hole mega-gravity dense, in fact.  probably not a good time to be the dual-national of a theocracy these days, especially if that nation happens to be...well, you know.  but this shit is coming out...conversations are rife...the angst is in the air...these whispers have spread from the potomic all the way up and down the eastern seaboard.

28 pages that changed the world.  once again, sword folds to pen...the damage done on 9/11 will be considered a single collateral incident of what's shaken by those 28 lil pages.  they will literally make the pillars of the world quake.  and i don't think i in any way exaggerate.

i suspect that panama, uraguay, paraguay and chile will all see a sudden influx of wealthy interlopers with new last names...just a guess, though.

but, shit, why take sides when you can just watch?  besides, i don't see no clean hands at the table...fuck em all.  God will sort them out; divide the sheep from the goats, wheat from the chaff -- that sorta thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3mBIyfzks

janus

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:39 | 5051172 12ToothAssassin
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The only reason 28 pages was introduced as a meme is because they WILL come out. Just softening the blow and playing it up to be more than it really is so that it fades even faster. Its a setup for Germany to take the fall (afterall the hijackers mostly trained and travelled in/thru Deutschland, remember?) because they are getting too cozy with PooooooooTIN and arent staying on script.

 

Germany IS the EU. And I believe maybe the only EU country with a DIRECT gas line from Russia - Nordstream. http://static.ruvr.ru/2011/11/08/1241900310/map_eng1.jpg

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:27 | 5051362 The Blank Stare
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Stop playing around! 

 

We want to know how this can happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HetCLca2fbw

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:43 | 5051430 janus
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12TA,

it wasn't introduced as a meme; it's in no way new; it's been a festering boil for going-on ten years...it was inevitable that some uninitiated would see it.  i don't think it's safe to assume that 'everyone' is in on things; as it's necessary that so very few are.  the system depends on the endless and insulating layers of bureaucracy...it's symbolized in the byzantine leveling within the pentagon. 

i am, like you guys, consistently suspicious of these folks; but i think there's a tendency round here to push things too far.  this 'script' predates putin by ages and ages again...and as to scripts, your theory contravenes all existing scripting.  think for a moment who's the villain-nation par-excellance contra temps?  outside these shores (and reaching a pitch within them), the opinion is decidedly anti-israel.  you think there's a time-bomb ticking with NATO written all over it?  are you daft?  putin is here to convince america that they need one just like him...pay attention -- keep your eye on the ball.

there's a reason everything from the rhine up through the norther-most north sea has been spared these duplicitous shams of 'terrorism' within their own borders, and it isn't because america is gonna scapegoat NATO. 

these 28 pages are going to shock in a satisfying way...a way so many have long expected.  this isn't the end of a soap opera where the financee comes back suddenly from the dead; it's a classic saga of traditional foes.

{i don't mean to be an ass...this is just how i make my point}

janus

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:07 | 5052671 ZerOhead
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Bandar Bin Sultan actually asked that Bush release the 28 pages in the report. (No shit) Bush of course declined his life-long friends request.

No... you are right. People will have to move and we are not talking merely Saudis after it's all said and done.

I keep trying to get a feel for what is happening on Google Trends but guess what? That's right... even when the talk is hottest the trend says it's a dead issue.

They must be shitting in their pants.

I'm just afraid they will need another war.

A big one.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:39 | 5052735 12ToothAssassin
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Janus,

My point was more along the lines of why are they telling us and why are they telling us now?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:24 | 5051563 p00k1e
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Wait a minute.

Didn’t the terrorists choose Jeb Bush's, Huffman Aviation, to learn how to fly…. without landing instruction? 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:49 | 5051458 HippieHaulers
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I absolutely agree with everything you said except that Snowden is not limited hangout. There are many tiers to propaganda. One set gets the"they're after terrorists" and the one that knows they're not gets the "yes we're doing it so be afraid because you're the real target." Both memes ultimately help TPTB.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:24 | 5050822 lordylord
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"But I'm perfectly okay with it under Obama.  Because Obama. "

Whenever I criticize Obama to a democrat, a common answer is, "Well Bush did it too."  First, it's pathetic that democrats justify Obama's polcies based upon Bush's policies.  Meanwhile, Obama still can't surpass the low bar set by Bush.  By all measures, Obama is worse than Bush.  For some reason this is OK for them.  Second, I tell them that I didn't support Bush's policies just like I don't support Obama's because THEY ARE THE SAME BAD POLICIES.

For democrats, it's all about being on team blue, looking cool and trendy, pretending to care about social issues on FB, and collecting their free shit.  RINOs are just as bad, but at least you can't accuse them of trying to be cool.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:46 | 5050940 TahoeBilly2012
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Most married male blue team members are blindly hoping that being on said team will get them laid by their wives more often and/or that their wives friends will somehow secretly fantasize about them. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:28 | 5051144 Froman
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I don't know dude...I have seen the wives and girlfriends of the guys on the blue team and I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual; not meaning that they go both ways but rather that they have sex twice a year on the autumnal and vernal equinoxes.  There are some scary ass she beasts on the blue team from top to bottom starting with First Lady Chewbacca and Billary.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:21 | 5051337 Harbanger
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"I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual"  -That may make you feel better but it's not true. Women More Likely to Be Democrats by a large margin.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120839/women-likely-democrats-regardless-age....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:55 | 5051475 janus
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"That may make you feel better but it's not true. Women More Likely to Be Democrats by a large margin."

that may make 'you' feel better, and it may be true.  but a larger truth still consists in quality as a superior consideration to quantity; at least when it comes to women. 

what percentage of women (writ-large) would you esteem fuckable, hmmm?  if your answer is anywhere near 50%, it is certain that you've suffered some sort of trauma to your medula oblongada.  mine is in the single percentiles, and it's on the low side of those...i've done a study (of sorts) on the subject.

as to quality, some of the best don't give two shits for politics whatsover.  so, put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

and, thank God, the best girls love the bad boys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is79-5CtPjw

why do good girls like bad boys?,

janus


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:34 | 5051617 p00k1e
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This is crazy too:

“I don't know dude...I have seen the wives and girlfriends of the guys on the blue team and I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual;”

How about, the lifestyle choices made by most women presidential candidates from the Republican Party prove they like to have premarital relations with people from outside their race. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:11 | 5051319 Harbanger
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Hmm,  You may have a point there.  I think that's why the left targeted the women with their BS and still does.   Once you sell the women on big gov the men just go along to get along.  At least until the SHTF, then it's every man for himself.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:36 | 5051392 CoastalCowboy
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I dated a blue team babe(She hated being called that!!), and she swung both ways.

No more for bitter shot out blue team feminists for me ever again. She once told me I was too macho.

YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED!!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:45 | 5051438 max2205
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We should be ashamed.

If this was the late 1960's Obama would have been run out of office...Bush too

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:47 | 5051442 Harbanger
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Fact remains, whether they're gay or straight, for the past 50 years most women have been bamboozled into voting for democrats.  I would say 20-30 percent are red team and most of those are religious.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:24 | 5051806 Cathartes Aura
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seriously, gotta love how easily you dudes are sidetracked from topics, any topic here really,

into discussing fucking, and "women" - particularly opinions on their "appearance" - it's like high school here sometimes. . .

FYI - "women" would be nuts to vote repub with the ongoing fixation on controling their body parts, y'know for "GAWD" and teh baybees.

as you were.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:14 | 5052677 Harbanger
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Controlling body parts? you must be kidding.  You mean drinking big sodas, coffee, and smoking cigarrettes, or do you mean abortions?.  No you're not kidding, you bought into the leftist meme that big gov is necessary for justice.  You want peace and harmony, everyone does.  Well fear no more, no one gives a fuck about your life except the Lord.   You bear the consequences your own sins and your fathers sins.  You can blame whomever you want, but you're still fucked, the Lord will make you remember him again, and AGAIN onto the next generation, you will be JUDGED for what you've sewn.  Therefore I have little hope for this generation BUT HAVE GREAT HOPE FOR HUMANITY.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:44 | 5053283 Cathartes Aura
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meh, yer rhetoric is so predictable Harbanger - like most of the god botherers on ZH, you swoon to thoughts of yer made-up maker, sing His praises while pointing fingers at others,

and cursing hell 'n' damnation to all, sitting here typing out your sexual fantasies ("Lola" much? lol) scoring points with the lads, spewing hate on behalf of your "beliefs" - if that's being "godly" or "christian" then thanks for modeling your ideals so clearly.

you bought into the leftist meme that big gov is necessary for justice.  You want peace and harmony,

blah blah blah - I bought into NOTHING of these made-up cultures that you both condemn and worship, and I want NOTHING to do with the govts. you vote in/out, the radio jocks you memorise word for word, the Bibles you quote, the gods you beat others to death with.

history is littered with your arche-types - wars, governments, religions, murders, rapes, destructions - all in the name of some THING you claim to believe, and here comes the latest epic round of misery.

little changes over time, and certainly not minds.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:29 | 5051592 p00k1e
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“I voted for the lesser of two evils”.    

If someone sets your house on fire with a match or butane lighter, does it matter which fire is less evil?  The house is on fire!  

"Well who-who did it too."

This is an admission of being helpless.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:21 | 5050827 Save_America1st
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starting to wonder if Snowden is really a double-double agent in a way.

Just a theory here:

It feels like he was created/chosen in order to purposely "leak" all this shit the NSA has been doing.  Or else they knew he was gathering all that intel on them and they let him do anyway. 

In some ways it seems like they actually wanted it to come out in such a way (via whistleblower "spy"), so that they could clamp down on the people even harder.  Clamp down on security, the internet, communications, travel, everything...even worse than it has been up until now.

The so-called "alternative" media via the internet had already been exposing nearly everything about the NSA anyway.  Most of what Snowden has revealed was not a surprise to myself and probabaly hundreds of thousands of others.  Sure, names of certain spy programs were unknown and some other intricate details, etc.  But for the most part there's nothing we've heard that has been surprising in any way.

Alex Jones and many others had been exposing this stuff for well over a decade...but because they all are labeled "Conspiracy Theorists" it just didn't get much traction with the sheeple.  And that is always the establishment's plan of attack when faced with the truth...they make you out to be crazy, etc. 

But now that that seems to have played its course it seems like the powers that be decided to change tactics.  Like Carol Quigley, right out in the open telling the world the secrets of the elites when he wrote Tragedy and Hope.  What he said was that there was a "rule" with the elites in that they feel they need to tell us what they are doing and going to do before they do it...even if it's subtle and most people don't even realize it.  At least to the elites they've still upheld their twisted "moral code" of warning us before they fuck us over in various ways. 

That's why I'm starting to think this was their way of revealing what they are doing, even if it's all highly immoral, unethical, illegal, Big Brother bullshit.  They still wanted to let us know to see how we would react to it.

And since Snowden came out with everything haven't you noticed that the vast majority of the sheeple still just roll on apathetically, blissful in their dumbed-down ignorance, still using their voluntary tracking devices (i.e. stupid phones), still texting, emailing, and sending pics, vids, and browsing the internet unsecure and unencrypted, etc. 

This almost seems like a vast social experiment by the government and it's spy agencies to in a way completely confess all their crimes and totally get away with it because they knew the sheeple would continue to love their slavery.

And at the same time it drags out into the open those of us who are totally awake and completely against all this bullshit.  It feels like this was done on purpose to make us think we had won the upper hand in this fight when in actuality it has exposed the fact that they still have more power than ever while we're right out in the open with our asses hanging out and without the hundreds of millions of allies we thought we would have after the so-called Snowden "revelations".

I don't care much at all about stating this...I know it's all being recorded as I'm sure all my opinions about this fucked up, treasonous, socipath government have been read and recorded by them and their systems.  Fuck 'em all. 

It doesn't worry me that they know what I say and think.  It worries me that I'm probably completely right about all of this. 

And it should greatly worry everybody else if I'm right and the sheeple just don't give a shit after all that has been revealed.  Because if I'm right, then none of this is going to stop...it's only going to get monstrously worse, and this country and the entire world is more fucked than anyone even imagined before. 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:45 | 5050935 ZerOhead
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Good to see you are thinking critically.

I just can't see them ever wanting the world to know they were listening to ALL of Angela Merkel personal calls however...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:38 | 5051637 FeralSerf
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Angela got some sympathy from her fellow Germans due to this. Maybe she needed that. Now she seems to some that she's not so much on the side of those nasty Americans.

And the people engineering these propaganda things make mistakes too, sometimes real humdingers.

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

"The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make the rest of us wonder at the possibility that we might be missing something." - Gamal Abdel Nasser

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:06 | 5051032 JRev
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"Now, the government might deny these things. They might frame it in certain ways, and say, oh, well, you know, he's a low-level analyst. But what they're trying to do is they're trying to use one position that I've had in a career, here or there, to distract from the totality of my experience, which is that I've worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, undercover, overseas.

I've worked for the National Security Agency, undercover, overseas. And I've worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency as a lecturer at the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy, where I developed sources and methods for keeping our information and people secure in the most hostile and dangerous environments around the world."
-Edward Snowden on NBC with Brian Williams
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/us/edward-snowden-interview/

Might've been pertinent information for him to disclose when he "blew the whistle" to tell us about programs that were already widely disclosed by whistleblowers before him... then again, those "other" whistleblowers weren't bandied about the MSM. After all, no one who isn't meant to have an MSM platform has one. Funny you mention Carroll Quigley's magnum opus, Tragedy and Hope, because if you think carefully, Edward Snowden NEVER left the Anglo-American Establishment. He goes from America, to the British colony of Hong Kong, to the other false side of the dialectic, Russia. And that's not even getting into Pierre Omidyar/Greenwald's significant NSA connections. In other words, you're onto something.

The Edward Snowden Movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB2bu18lVFw
Is Edward Snowden a False Flag?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsTZ3QSsZg

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:10 | 5051982 Cathartes Aura
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"Edward Snowden on NBC with Brian Williams"

 

ahhhhh, man, where's Bill Hicks, or George Carlin

when you need 'em?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:36 | 5051187 putaipan
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 'What he said was that there was a "rule" with the elites in that they feel they need to tell us what they are doing and going to do before they do it'

this is a very deep occult principle. i just don't think quigley ever acknowledged it- if he did i would love a reference. remember- you don't have to believe this suff, they do.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:46 | 5051238 gcjohns1971
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You don't believe Snowden could have walked out with what he did because you do not know government bureaucracies or intelligence personalities.

They are less, "Jack Bauer" or "Jack Reacher" and more "Spies Like Us".

Truly. 

There are a lot of technically intelligent people with no sense nor appreciation of consquences or likely outcomes at all.

This is not limited to the US intelligence bureaucracy, by the way...  It applies all over the world.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:29 | 5051817 Cathartes Aura
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Snowden - named for a character in Joseph Heller's Catch-22, donchaknow - got Intercept'd by a gay Jewish lawyer funded by the same oligarch who donates to USAid, remember them?   Ukraine??  anyone??

you guys sure give GreenWald a lotta latitude - wonder why that is?

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:33 | 5051832 nmewn
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Wow Cat, what does ghey have to do with anything?

True colors? ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:13 | 5051999 Cathartes Aura
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dude, what DOES ghey have to do with Obama or anyone else that gets dozens of graphic imaginations posted here daily?

 

the word was used simply to illustrate a point, which obviously went right over yer head, sorry.

same for the "Jewish lawyer" meme too, before you cry out in pain.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:25 | 5052054 nmewn
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I didn't know a graphic imagination could be seen. The word was used to denigrate.

Kinda like teabagger, no? ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:30 | 5052080 Cathartes Aura
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you can interpret my post any way you like - you usually do.

I used GreenWald's true descriptives, the words he would also use to describe himself.

and didn't mention "teabagger" once.

nor "Sandra Fluke" for that matter. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:19 | 5052302 nmewn
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Sandra Fluke?...lol...did you know "poor Georgetown Law grad" Sandra who couldn't afford birth control pills for her occasional dalliances (currently around ten bucks) has donated over a 100k...

"Fluke donated $12,000 to her campaign and $4,826.27 in non-monetary contributions. While $16,826.27 may not sound like a lot, Fluke also loaned her campaign $100,000."

...to herself?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sandra-flukes-biggest-donor-is-...-sandra-fluke/article/2551379

Thats a lot of birth control pills there Cat, she seems to be secure until around menopause by my math...lol.

Perhaps she was actually advocating that OTHERS pay so as to save her money for something else besides a turn in the hay...perhaps? ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:44 | 5052407 Cathartes Aura
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figures you'd still be re-searching for Sandra Fluke news updates. . .

bet you miss your old tag-partner, Crockett Almanac - you guys late night drunken trollin' parties just don't have the same

fervour now.

 

"Sandra Fluke!!"

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:51 | 5052433 nmewn
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You brought her up, I figured I'd give you an update on what I already knew she was.

A grifter.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:06 | 5052492 Cathartes Aura
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I "brought her up" to re-mind you of your constant trollin' me with her name, despite my repeatedly telling you I had no idea who she was

because I don't do mainstream news - didn't then, don't now.

 

how soon we forget, lol. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:28 | 5052070 spqrusa
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ZH is a honeypot for the day when the SHTF and we need to roundup the likely troubled / trouble-makers. Then a bit of lead head should do the trick.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:19 | 5052695 ZerOhead
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We are the low hanging fruit alright! ;)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:58 | 5052851 Implied Violins
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I've wondered about Snowden since finding out Greenwald was being paid by a guy who gave money to those Ukrainian revolution fucks (article: http://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-... ). And I wondered why no one batted an eye about Pierre Omidyar paying Greenwald to publish Snowden's info. I mean, the guy is an American. If Snowden got death threats from congress and Greenwald's partner got felt up at the airport, why isn't anyone calling for Omidyar's head for paying this guy to put out Snowden's info?

Then there is this coincidence: Snowden was a character in the book, 'Catch 22'. From the book (via Wikipedia):

"Snowden is a member of Yossarian's flight during a mission, and acts as catalyst for the fundamental change in Yossarian's mentality and outlook. After their plane takes heavy anti-aircraft fire, Snowden is mortally wounded and Yossarian attempts to come to Snowden's aid by treating a serious leg wound with white bandages and sulfanilamide powder.

Eventually Yossarian notices bleeding from Snowden's armpit and realises he has another wound below his flak suit. As Yossarian rips open the flak suit, a fatal wound beneath exposes Snowden's internal organs which fall out onto the floor. A huge chunk of flak had ripped straight through his ribs from behind. Yossarian is horrified at the sight. Snowden is about to die, but is able to tell Yossarian he is cold. Yossarian covers Snowden in a parachute, and comforts him by saying "there, there".

Snowden's death embodies Yossarian's desire to evade death; by seeing Snowden's entrails spilling over the plane, he feels that "Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage."

The experience on the plane dramatically changes Yossarian's attitude towards life. He looks only to protect his own life and, to a lesser extent, the lives of his close friends. Yossarian turns against the military and refuses to wear a uniform, his justification being he simply "doesn't want to," perhaps because he was traumatized and depressed by Snowden's death. The excuse Captain Korn gives to General Dreedle is that Snowden died in one uniform, and his remains were soaked into Yossarian's, and all of Yossarian's other articles of clothing were in the laundry. General Dreedle says "That sounds like a lot of crap to me." Yossarian replies, "It is a lot of crap, sir.""

SO what can one take from the above? Give up, because we (the NSA) know everything. Just live your life knowing this, and don't question it because nothing will change if you fight it. THIS I believe is what Snowden's real message to us is supposed to be.

I just hope we find the balls to do something about it before it's too late...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:54 | 5050719 Utah_Get_Me_2
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It's a badge of honor.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:27 | 5050862 Ignatius
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The key point, for which no further revelations are required, is that legal protections have been stripped from any and all potential political insurgents here in the US, as has been done in all countries where the DIA/CIA operate.  That was the heart of the Phoenix Program as practiced initially in Vietnam and elsewhere.  Strip legal protection.

Bill of Rights, anyone?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:10 | 5051062 JRev
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Damn straight. The same "anti-Vietnam" Bill of Rights-stripping, inherently domestic DoD initiative, code name GARDEN PLOT in the 60s, was most recently activated under a new call sign, NOBLE EAGLE, for the post-9/11 era. Smells like freedom to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Garden_Plot

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:43 | 5050927 putaipan
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don't forget- besides the government, the "guidelines" now also target enemies of financial insitutions.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:14 | 5051330 Dugald
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The vast majority of terrorists are in Washington,D.C. and are working for the government.

Almost right.....

Should read,  THEY  are the Government!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:16 | 5050825 rodocostarica
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I from home on my own time on my tablet computer recruit folks for the Pakistan-based Haqqani Network, And my mother in law who speaks Spanish is in charge of recruits for the Colombia-based FARC  and my Somalia-born hooker works the al-Shabab network.  

Between us all we average $40,000 per month for less than 15 hours per week... and from home while watching dancing with the stars.   To get in on this fantastic opportunity just click on the following link:

www.fuckUSAforiegnpolicy.net

You will be glad you did.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:37 | 5050902 Bastiat
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/chuckle - nice.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:22 | 5051346 Clycntct
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Nice work if you can get it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:45 | 5050674 lordylord
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"The American people neither are capable nor deserving today. This spying is just the latest in a long list of freedoms lost."

"That government is best which governs not at all; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have." -Thoreau

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:54 | 5050717 Renewable Life
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Ahhhhhh I never get tired of reading the writings of 18th and 19th century Americans!!! Refreshing and liberating!

On another note, I was at a party several months ago and heard two current active duty military personal talking about, how they believed their could be a "break in the chain" before you know who left office!! That's how bad moral and resentment was inside the forces!!

These leakers are certainly re-enforcing that sentiment in my mind!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:07 | 5051044 rum_runner
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A "break in the chian" to do what?  A coup?  Refuse to deploy?  Come on..

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:32 | 5051822 Cathartes Aura
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oh hahahahhh.

doubtful any chains will be broken until the paychecks stop.

which, with endless pixels still to be created, won't be any time soon.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:02 | 5052212 Renewable Life
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If this was the case, Gaddafi and others should have been able to "buy" the toughest armies in the world and they didn't, did they???

American power and our illusion of it, is backed by only one pillar now, oil in dollars, and half the world is one second from saying, fuck you, were buying it in CYN or Rubbles?

Then those soldiers are going to get paid in what??? Gold, Silver.....

Lol, sleep well in the illusion while you can!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:51 | 5052429 Cathartes Aura
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I've seriously no idea what point you're trying to make - Gaddafi wasn't privy to a FED money machine to pay for his MIC. . .

and the day amrkn "soldiers" get paid in "Gold, Silver" is

never.

I have zero illusions about the (sur)reality currently on display.

showing up every day, who could fail to be entertained. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:25 | 5050847 what's that smell
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killer monkeys distracted by their own bullshit....

white people good, dark people bad.

grow up fucks!

when you kill their babies, their babies will kill your babies.

but at least some randroid will make some jack.

amen.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:51 | 5050700 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice, zaphod.  We have become a different country.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:13 | 5050805 zaphod
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Yes DoChen we have changed. I think the important question is what to do about it though. I'm usually an optimist, but lately have come to the opinion the US not reversing course, the more I look at US history the more it appears to be a continuous slide in one direction.

So I'm beginning to think solutions that help exit the system are the best path forward. Bitcoin is one attempt to enforce sanity on our financial system, but sometimes I wonder if just fully walking away is required.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:45 | 5050932 DoChenRollingBearing
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"...walking away..."

1) Maybe running away might be smarter (but, hey I don't know)

2) Bitcoin helps (although I now have a sharedcoin snafu, unresolved so far)

3) Stand and fight?  Scary...

4), 5) ....

America has been (was?) a great experiment.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:11 | 5051028 zaphod
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If I remember correctly you posted a pretty comprehensive list of items needed to walk away a while ago. It included acronyms such as AU and PB...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:41 | 5051212 DoChenRollingBearing
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zaphod

My sharedcoin issue got resolved in an interesting and positive way.  Ya can learn something new every day!

But, Au > BTC.  BTC does count as a good alternative asset.  Great mobility...

If you ever want to, drop me a gmail @ my moniker.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:04 | 5050770 Utah_Get_Me_2
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http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ 

With a nation full of Walmartians it's not real hard to understand why we are in a world of shit.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:44 | 5051434 SAT 800
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Did you read this shit? A foiled terrorist plot. Kiss my ass. And that's the official justification, a foiled terrorist plot. Why don't they just blame it on the tooth fairy? What a bunch of crap.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:34 | 5051831 Cathartes Aura
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yeah, the "people of walmart"

are the ONLY thing standing in the way

of patriots re-claiming

their beloved nationstate.

 

amazing Force, those wally-worlders. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:36 | 5051189 Buck Johnson
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We have the govt. we voted for, live it and love it.  Because when our country implodes into a bunch of smaller countries and states, the rest of the world will talk about the old USA like they talked about Nazi Germany.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:01 | 5051281 kchrisc
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I don't really believe that the American people really "want" "security over freedom." They do acquiesce to it though from indifference and ignorance--sleeping sheeple.

Even the majority of the Germans did not support the Nazis. They only got about 33% of the vote in the last free elections in March of 1933. Therefore to stay in power the Nazis maintained a huge security apparatus, GESTAPO, KRIPO, SIPO, SS, etc.

To maintain power over the American people and country, the DC US has to maintain a huge security apparatus, NSA, CIA, FBI, Local PDs, etc.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:26 | 5051354 Notsobadwlad
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That is total Bullshit!

The American never ask for financial security from the Federal Reserve or anyone. AND FROM WHAT WE CAN NOW SEE, THE FEDERAL RESERVE CREATES FINANCIAL INSECURITY FOR THE MAJORITY, NOT FINANICAL SECURITY. The Federal Reserve Act was a deal done in secret, approved by Congress when the majority of members were already away at Christmas break and run through a puppet traitorous president (Wilson) who later regretted his actions.

Maybe you believe that rape victims are to be blamed for being raped, as well.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:29 | 5050589 Four chan
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snowden 2016

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:10 | 5051512 Mr. Ed
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Where's the rest of snowden 2014?

Out of Greenwalds "so to be released", "imminent", "anytime now", "fireworks" million name FISA Database, we've seen 5 names!  Big wup, Greenwald!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:36 | 5051838 Cathartes Aura
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he's got the book and movie deal tho'

and his Intercept monies.

 

he's on to new things lately, heh.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:28 | 5050590 bobnoxy
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Snowden 2.0 is way fucking cool dude!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:42 | 5050816 ZerOhead
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It's NOT Snowden 2.0... it's BULLSHIT disinformation. It tells you that the NSA is collecting information on Muslim terrorists when everyone with a brain knows that is simply NOT true. They are controlling OUR leadership structures and spying on virtually everything and everyone for TPTB.

 

The Intercept is owned and financed by Obama's close friend and supporter Pierre Omidyar.

The Intercept is an online publication launched in February 2014 by First Look Media, the news organization created and funded by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept

 

This guy Omidyar is not only a huge financial supporter of Obama and a frequent visitor to the Whitehouse but he helped Obama/Nuland install the NAZIS in the Ukraine...

 

Last month, Pando’s Mark Ames reported that Omidyar Networks, the philanthropic organization operated by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar and his wife Pamela, had co-invested with the US government in opposition groups that played a key role in organizing Ukraine’s recent revolution.

USA Today’s Rem Rieder argued that Omidyar Network’s investments were a non-issue as they had been disclosed years earlier. Other supporters pointed out that, just because the Omidyars co-invested with the US Agency for International Development (USAID) and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and appeared to share their policy on regime change in Ukraine, didn’t mean that they had actively collaborated with the government on investment strategy.

http://pando.com/2014/03/23/revealed-visitor-logs-show-full-extent-of-pi...

 

You are being skullfucked

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:41 | 5051425 SAT 800
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Thank you very much. And that's why, I keep coming back to Zero Hedge. We need to identify every one of these fascist freak conspirators.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:37 | 5051846 Cathartes Aura
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is this the first time you've paid attention to those links?  because I've put 'em up for months now - to much downvotes and "no way!" reactions. . .

 

bloody hell.  hilarious!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:21 | 5052701 ZerOhead
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Thanks again for the heads-up!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:54 | 5053321 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh kitty, we work similar veins, it's good that your more prolific posting gets these ideas widely spread.

it takes a few repetitions before some of these interlocking puzzle pieces sink in, begin to form an alternative picture to the common narrative. . . the minds tightly defending their made up stories slowly unwind to a more full acceptance of reality.

 

now, if I can just pry the Snowden outta ya     *wink*

take care.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:17 | 5051744 ThroxxOfVron
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"it's BULLSHIT disinformation.

You are being skullfucked."

Evewn here on ZH the narrative is so toxic and dominated by bullshitters that disinfo/propaganda narratives overpower and the koolaid parroters drown out the outing of the disinfo/propaganda narratives and koolaid parroters.

The language has been perverted and confused.  "That depends on what the meaning of the word is is..."

The journalists and media have been expropriated and purchased and codified into tiered fiefdoms of disinfo/propaganda narratives and koolaid jargon sound bite auto-response lesson factories.

The institutions have been infiltrated and usurped.

Humans are generally social animals; so there will have to be some level of organization to counter this post Orwellian/Huxleyan distopia or real honest human beings are all going to be reduced to isolation and acts of desperate isolation that will never be known for anything but acts of inhuman violence and madness by anyone...

There has to be a Fight Club.  There has to be some level of organization or We are doomed to a succession of fraudulent crisis and wars on the national level and vistis from militarized police, mercenary gangsters and government bag-men ala 'V for Vendetta' a lone individuals.

It's time to go into business.  It's time to sell soap..

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:30 | 5050598 McMolotov
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Fuck the government.

cc: NSA

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:37 | 5050642 813kml
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Look at it as a second chance to make the Honor Roll.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:38 | 5050648 skank
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IMHO?  If I had a humble opinion, I’d probably keep it to myself.   Just sayin'

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:52 | 5050708 Dr. Engali
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Wow! That sounds strangly familiar.... don't speek out against the government. Where have I heard that before?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:54 | 5051257 goldhedge
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Wow! That sounds strangly familiar.... don't speek out against the government. Where have I heard that before?

 

Probably from the muppets at MPFags.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:02 | 5051282 kchrisc
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"Fuck the government."

You misspelled guillotine.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:32 | 5050614 Occams_Chainsaw
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Just wait until i-Snowden shows up.  Then it's game over man.....game over.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:10 | 5050791 12ToothAssassin
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eSnowden didnt test well with focus groups

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:58 | 5050744 Berspankme
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different from Stasi how?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:15 | 5050818 exi1ed0ne
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Uniforms aren't quite as snazzy.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:16 | 5051081 edifice
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I see what you did there...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:18 | 5050830 sgt_doom
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While some of us greatly appreciate and thank you for this article/posting, really now, who cares in America?

This is the nation of retardates who elected and then reelected a clown with a completely fabricated military record as Commander-in-Chief and president, George Weasel Bush, and then wasted tons of time aruging about whether or not he made those ANG meetings, when he was fraudulently carried on their roster as an officer and a pilot while never having attended either Officer Training School (mandatory for O- ranking) and Flight School (and contrary to Kevin Phillips' book, American Dynasty, p. 44, the USAF and USAF/ANG does not allow for on-the-job jet pilot training!

This is also the country where in the state of Wisconsin, the moronic 44% of union households voted twice for Gov. Walker, who just now ended collective bargaining in that state.

Wahoooooooo!

What a complete and total waste most Ameritards are.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:13 | 5051300 kchrisc
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While I appreciate your sentiments, however we Americans in the know should not give up, but double, triple, our efforts to inform, educate and wake them up--that is our responsibility.

 

Don't give up on us baby, don't make the wrong seem right
The future isn't just for the night, it's written in the moonlight
And painted on the stars, we can't change us.....

Don't give up on us baby, we're still worth one more try
I know we put the last one by, just for the rainy evening
When maybe stars are few, don't give up on us I know
We can still come through

...

David Soul - Don't give up on us baby

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:51 | 5051460 Greenskeeper_Carl
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i wouldnt have voted for walker if i lived there, but for different reasons. But please explain to me why it is a good idea to let public sector employees collectively bargain against the american tax payer? And why should there be compulsary union membership here in the 'land of the free'. Why should these people be un-fire-able, no matter how poorly they do their jobs, and get pay and benefits well beyond any of the tax donkeys who are forced to foot the bill for this?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:39 | 5050917 rubiconsolutions
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What time does America's Got Talent come on? Oh sorry, I was distracted. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:48 | 5051235 Kirk2NCC1701
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Snowden 2.0 reveals tech behind the Coming Out Party for "Feudalism 2.0"*

* Coined the term almost 2 years ago.  Use it repeatedly on ZH.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:31 | 5051357 junction
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Obama: Manchurian Candidate 2.0

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:39 | 5051408 SAT 800
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You're Goddamn Right; and it's not funny, either.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:41 | 5051861 Cathartes Aura
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Obama:  lightning rod, working as intended.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:51 | 5051902 nmewn
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Can you name one thing he's done right or is the intent to divert everyones attention from the bureaucracy he controls?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:19 | 5052028 Cathartes Aura
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do you get the meme of "lightning rod"?

Obama is doing everything right - he's drawing full attention, full on hatred, to himself - much of his flak is due to his appearance (black, "ghey", wookie-wife, mom-jeans, girlie bike, etc.), priming the pump in case of the "next" election.

I'd say he's a smashing success as the latest figurehead.

that anyone still believes he's in control of anything is a testament to the ignorance of the majority

about what's been going down in this nation since before any of us were even born.

it's just more obvious when all the monies & toys & "liberties" are getting sucked away from the peoples who believe themselves exceptional 'First World'rs". . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:39 | 5052117 nmewn
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Yeah, I get it (I'm not as daft as you) I just laugh when anyone proposes that he was elected (selected) to BE the "lightning rod" because it implies that he is too stupid to know he IS the "lightning rod" as a result of the policies HE signed off on.

The implication of course, is that anyone who proposes that, is also saying HE is too stooopid to realize it and therefore must be...raaayzzzist.

Or...HE actually has firm convictions on what HE does.

Your choice, see how that works? ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:54 | 5052169 Cathartes Aura
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you love to twist words to make your points - including little snarky name-calling asides.

Obama is a figurehead installed like the figureheads before him, a fine old amrkn tradition.

given the press stories and old pics, I'd guess he was somewhat "aware" of what he was selected for, and how much golf he'd get to play in return for reading the teleprompt'd scripts those behind the curtain narrate for him.

tie yerself up in verbal knots if it makes you feel good.  we're all here for our own entertainments nowadays. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:57 | 5052451 nmewn
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So you're saying he's fine with being made a fool out of by the ones who nominated and voted for him. Yeah, I can see that out of leftists, toss him overboard when he's used up.

Same as it ever was.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:12 | 5052512 Cathartes Aura
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of course he's "fine" - because like every other human, he has his own perspective on his life,

and who could deny he's getting all the attention/fame/fiat perks of the superstar he was groomed for, and

believes himself to be.

he's no different to the banking class wanks, and indeed

works for the same club.

they're all   special.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:38 | 5051403 SAT 800
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"Smaller Government" / "Transparency"----lying dog. Fascist Pig; he's as bad as Hitler.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:48 | 5051453 Freddie
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American liberal Democrats and regular Democrats voted for this - TWICE!  F them!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:29 | 5050588 stant
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Guess I am just on the smartass list according to this

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:02 | 5052473 e_goldstein
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try harder

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:40 | 5050591 Bunghole
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Speaking out against the Zionists will get you on the list.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:24 | 5050854 gmrpeabody
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You look familiar...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:07 | 5051303 kchrisc
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In the movie the Jerk, being on a list, the Whitepages, made you a "people."

Now being on a list makes one a "non-person."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:29 | 5050593 Urban Redneck
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The entire ZH account roster probably fits nicely into that 280,000 with plenty of room to spare.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:36 | 5050620 813kml
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What?!?!

I only signed up to share cookie recipes, seemed like the perfect place cuz of all the nuts.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:50 | 5050692 McMolotov
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I originally came here for information about boating safety.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:53 | 5050709 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, yes and yes.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:25 | 5050859 gmrpeabody
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I was told the site would improve my trading skills...,

they lied.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:50 | 5050956 Carl Spackler
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I like precious metals !

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:26 | 5051132 realWhiteNight123129
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That is just enough to make you a terrorist, during the hyperinflation of 1793 in France, it was punishable by death to pay and hoard Gold. It was a high treason crime.

As we get there, we will have to stop posting on ZH and stop talking about PM, it will get too dangerous.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:26 | 5051133 realWhiteNight123129
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That is just enough to make you a terrorist, during the hyperinflation of 1793 in France, it was punishable by death to pay and hoard Gold. It was a high treason crime.

As we get there, we will have to stop posting on ZH and stop talking about PM, it will get too dangerous.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:48 | 5051450 SAT 800
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Absolutely correct; and it can't be repeated too often; everyone needs to understand that the Gov. is the enemy and there is no limit to what they will do to maintain control and authority.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:19 | 5051787 ThroxxOfVron
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Quiet You!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:54 | 5050720 NotApplicable
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I find Tyler's snark irresistible.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:56 | 5050738 Berspankme
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Me too Mc but there seems to be an inordinate amount of maritime incidents among ZH'ers. Maybe we could start a training class

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:53 | 5050974 F0ster
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And how fast metal sinks

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:54 | 5050716 McMolotov
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Even if visiting ZH didn't get us on a list (yeah, right), the whole XKeyscore thing showed that the NSA flags and tracks the IP address of anyone who does a simple internet search for certain privacy tools.

So if someone read an article or comment on ZH about anonymous email services or Tor or Linux and then did a search for those things, they've been tagged for further scrutiny.

Land of the free, my ass.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:35 | 5051181 Greenskeeper_Carl
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ya ive wondered if my using tor just flags me even more. Using Tor and having my IP address change all the time doesnt do me a whole lot of good if Im still using the same account on here i was using for a year before i switched from firefox

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