Here Comes Snowden 2.0... And How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

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Moments ago CNN blasted a headline stating that the US believes there is a new, post-Snowden leaker exposing national security. Why? The reason is the following article that was released a few hours ago by the Intercept, and which is an expose on yet another classified system called Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), in which we read: "The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush." And there is Snowden 2.0.

Aside from this rather stunning revelation, we also learn the following:

  • The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.
  • The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.
  • The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract  data to add to the watchlists.
  • 16,000 people, including 1,200 Americans, have been classified as “selectees” who are targeted for enhanced screenings at airports and border crossings.
  • There are 611,000 men on the main terrorist watchlist and 39,000 women.
  • The top five U.S. cities represented on the main watchlist for “known or suspected terrorists” are New York; Dearborn, Mich.; Houston; San Diego; and Chicago. At 96,000 residents, Dearborn is much smaller than the other cities in the top five, suggesting that its significant Muslim population—40 percent of its population is of Arab descent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—has been disproportionately targeted for watchlisting.
  • The top “nominating agencies” responsible for placing people on the government’s watchlists are: the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
  • In 2013, the main terrorism database included more than 860,000 biometric files on 144,000 people.
  • The database contains more than a half a million facial images, nearly a quarter of a million fingerprints and 70,000 iris scans.
  • The government maintains biometric data on people that it hasn’t identified–TIDE contains 1,800 “BUPs,” or “biometrics of unknown persons.”
  • In a single year, the government expanded its collection of “non-traditional” biometric data, including dramatic increases in handwriting samples (32 percent), signatures (52 percent), scars, marks, and tattoos (70 percent), and DNA strands (90 percent).

Snowden 2.0 speaks:

A U.S. government official told The Intercept that as of November 2013, there were approximately 700,000 people in the Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, but declined to provide the current numbers. Last month, the Associated Press, citing federal court filings by government lawyers, reported that there have been 1.5 million names added to the watchlist over the past five years. The government official told The Intercept that was a misinterpretation of the data. “The list has grown somewhat since that time, but is nowhere near the 1.5 million figure cited in recent news reports,” he said. He added that the statistics cited by the Associated Press do not just include nominations of individuals, but also bits of intelligence or biographical information obtained on watchlisted persons.

So how does the US government if you are a "potential terrorist":

Most people placed on the government’s watchlist begin in a larger, classified system known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE). The TIDE database actually allows for targeting people based on far less evidence than the already lax standards used for placing people on the watchlist. A more expansive—and invasive—database, TIDE’s information is shared across the U.S. intelligence community, as well as with commando units from the Special Operations Command and with domestic agencies such as the New York City Police Department.


The documents also offer a glimpse into which groups the government is targeting in its counterterrorism mission. The groups with the largest number of targeted people on the main terrorism watchlist—aside from “no recognized terrorist group affiliation”—are al Qaeda in Iraq (73,189), the Taliban (62,794), and al Qaeda (50,446). Those are followed by Hamas (21,913) and Hezbollah (21,199).


Although the Obama administration has repeatedly asserted that al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula poses the most significant external terrorist threat to the United States, the 8,211 people identified as being tied to the group actually represent the smallest category on the list of the top ten recognized terrorist organizations. AQAP is outnumbered by people suspected of ties to the Pakistan-based Haqqani Network (12,491), the Colombia-based FARC (11,275,) and the Somalia-based al-Shabab (11,547).


The documents also reveal that as of last year, the U.S. had designated 3,200 people as “known or suspected terrorists” associated with the war in Syria. Among them were 715 Europeans and Canadians, as well as 41 Americans. Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recently claimed that there are more than 12,000 foreign fighters in Syria, including more than 1,000 Westerners and roughly 100 Americans.


Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.

In shrug chart format:

And the punchline: a dystopia in which Tom Cruise drops out of drone and shoots you before you have even done anything.

“We’re getting into Minority Report territory when being friends with the wrong person can mean the government puts you in a database and adds DMV photos, iris scans, and face recognition technology to track you secretly and without your knowledge,” says Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “The fact that this information can be shared with agencies from the CIA to the NYPD, which are not known for protecting civil liberties, brings us closer to an invasive and rights-violating government surveillance society at home and abroad.”

Much more in the full Intercept article.

But wait, because this is where it gets even more surreal.

Presenting the US disinformation propaganda bureau in its full grandure. From HuffPo:

The Associated Press dropped a significant scoop on Tuesday afternoon, reporting that in the last several years the U.S. government's terrorism watch list has doubled.


A few minutes after the AP story, then consisting of three paragraphs, was posted at 12:32 p.m., The Intercept published a much more comprehensive article. The original article, which has since been updated and expanded, appears below:



ap story


The government, it turned out, had "spoiled the scoop," an informally forbidden practice in the world of journalism. To spoil a scoop, the subject of a story, when asked for comment, tips off a different, typically friendlier outlet in the hopes of diminishing the attention the first outlet would have received. Tuesday's AP story was much friendlier to the government's position, explaining the surge of individuals added to the watch list as an ongoing response to a foiled terror plot.


The practice of spoiling a scoop is frowned upon because it destroys trust between the journalist and the subject. In the future, the journalist is much less willing to share the contents of his or her reporting with that subject, which means the subject is given less time, or no time at all, to respond with concerns about the reporting.


The government's decision to spoil a story on the topic of national security is especially unusual, given that it has a significant interest in earning the trust of national security reporters so that it can make its case that certain information should remain private.


After the AP story ran, The Intercept requested a conference call with the National Counterterrorism Center. A source with knowledge of the call said that the government agency admitted having fed the story to the AP, but didn't think the reporter would publish before The Intercept did. "That was our bad," the official said.


Asked by The Intercept editor John Cook if it was the government's policy to feed one outlet's scoop to a friendlier outlet, a silence ensued, followed by the explanation: “We had invested some quality time with Eileen," referring to AP reporter Eileen Sullivan, who the official added had been out to visit the NCTC.


"After seeing you had the docs, and the fact we had been working with Eileen, we did feel compelled to give her a heads up," the official said, according to the source. "We thought she would publish after you."




AP spokesman Paul Colford responded to questions about the timing of the stories in a statement to The Huffington Post: "Pulitzer Prize-winning AP reporter Eileen Sullivan has been covering this territory for a long time. She gathered and reported additional news today as part of her expertise on this subject."

Not even Orwell could have foreseen the government waging such an open propaganda war...

In the meantime, don't be cyncial of the world's most "transparent" administration: be hopeful; after all you still haven't been killed for a crime you never committed.

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samsara's picture

Snowden 2.0 

Love it.

zaphod's picture

But this is what the American people want, they chose "security over freedom" starting over 100 years ago. 

At first it was only limited to basic financial security through a larger central government, but it has grown into welfare, housing, disability, food, now healthcare and privacy. 

Only an independant people capable of taking care of themselves can truly be free from government and deserve it, this independance from a feudal king or socialist government is what makes a people exceptional.

The American people neither are capable nor deserving today. This spying is just the latest in a long list of freedoms lost.

HippieHaulers's picture

More like limited hangout 2.0. There's no opposition like controlled opposition!

Anusocracy's picture

The vast majority of terrorists are in Washington,D.C. and are working for the government.

lordylord's picture

Exposing national security = Exposing illegal government activity

Don't know about all of you, but being labeled a terrorist by our government is more like a compliment.  I shudder to think about being called a patriot at this time.

FuzzyDunlop21's picture

"Biometric". I see where this is going. Within 2 years there will be a warehouse that stores everyones SHIT. Your poop. Believe it

Liberal's picture

As a staunch liberal, I found this sorta thing to be abhorrent and egregious under Bush. 

But I'm perfectly okay with it under Obama.  Because Obama. 

12ToothAssassin's picture

The Inept is just another CIA enterprise. This is limited hangout 2.0 theater

ZerOhead's picture

Yes it is.

But see how it changes the focus of previous NSA spying stories from politicians and all citizens to now only potential muslim terrorists?

That tells me Snowden may in fact be the real deal.

Pierre Omidyar can't even get out 1/10 of 1% of the Snowden NSA doc's and now he has ANOTHER NSA source that tells the people the NSA is actually in fact after TERRORISTS when we already know they focus the majority of their efforts spying on  and controlling our already bought and paid for politicians.

Plus Piere is a good friend, financial supporter and frequent visitor to one Barrack Obama.

pods's picture

Here is the problem, and why I fucking hate all of these leaks and the back and forth here between hero and hang out.

The national government has usurped power that was not granted to it by the constitution. 
No matter what it uses that power for it for it is still tyranny.  

That is about all the fuck I can give about these revelations.


Liberal's picture

Well, you'd look cool and trendy, too, if you'd just stop thinking for yourself and learn to accept and rock free Obamaphone, free Obamacare, free Obamahome, free Obamalife and free Obamathoughts and all that comes with being a Democrat.

Hey wait a minute...ARE YOU RACIST?

Manthong's picture

Cast a huge enough net and you are bound to find an anchovy or two in it

Liberal's picture

Or racists!  We must catch all racists!  And potential racists, too!

Because Obama. 

Manthong's picture

..but we should care for the Nazis and the invading hordes.

Manthong's picture

How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

So they know about the missus?

svayambhu108's picture

The list of all 3 billion terrorists would really impress me, now that's a leak.

wisefool's picture

Any space monkeys want to get together and crack a crypto currency?

SWRichmond's picture
  • The top “nominating agencies” responsible for placing people on the government’s watchlists are: the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Please add "SPLC" to that list.

nmewn's picture

Ain't that the truth.

MeMadMax's picture

73k for al quaida in iraq...


But yet, they were able to launch a surprise, obama authorized, attack...



wisefool's picture

i live below the mason dixon line and and I I am also impoverished, the 501c3 dude from SLPC should probably be left to his own 501c3 devices.

TungstenBars's picture

Q: How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

A: You don't work for the interests of the government. 

RaceToTheBottom's picture

No biggie, just ask Israel if we have Snowden 2.0.


doctor10's picture

In a short time, the refusal of these "offerings" from Fed.Gov will be sufficient reason to be placed on such a list!!

ZerOhead's picture


We already know all we need to know. It would still be nice for the public to see those 28 pages in the 9/11 report however. Then they can ask the next question which is  "Who put the Saudis up to this?" :)

janus's picture

i tried to up you, Zerohead...but your meter wasn't available.  so i decided to comment.

as to your thoughts above concerning Snowden, i tend to agree...but what's even more revealing is that attention is mystically drawn away from one 'agency' and then transferred to another.  oh, what a tangled web we weave...nevertheless, Snowden keeps comin out snow-white in every wash -- his cred is still unimpeached with janus.

now, regarding the 28 pages...yesirree, those are some heavy reading...dense, like black-hole mega-gravity dense, in fact.  probably not a good time to be the dual-national of a theocracy these days, especially if that nation happens to be...well, you know.  but this shit is coming out...conversations are rife...the angst is in the air...these whispers have spread from the potomic all the way up and down the eastern seaboard.

28 pages that changed the world.  once again, sword folds to pen...the damage done on 9/11 will be considered a single collateral incident of what's shaken by those 28 lil pages.  they will literally make the pillars of the world quake.  and i don't think i in any way exaggerate.

i suspect that panama, uraguay, paraguay and chile will all see a sudden influx of wealthy interlopers with new last names...just a guess, though.

but, shit, why take sides when you can just watch?  besides, i don't see no clean hands at the table...fuck em all.  God will sort them out; divide the sheep from the goats, wheat from the chaff -- that sorta thing.


12ToothAssassin's picture

The only reason 28 pages was introduced as a meme is because they WILL come out. Just softening the blow and playing it up to be more than it really is so that it fades even faster. Its a setup for Germany to take the fall (afterall the hijackers mostly trained and travelled in/thru Deutschland, remember?) because they are getting too cozy with PooooooooTIN and arent staying on script.


Germany IS the EU. And I believe maybe the only EU country with a DIRECT gas line from Russia - Nordstream.

The Blank Stare's picture

Stop playing around! 


We want to know how this can happen.

janus's picture


it wasn't introduced as a meme; it's in no way new; it's been a festering boil for going-on ten was inevitable that some uninitiated would see it.  i don't think it's safe to assume that 'everyone' is in on things; as it's necessary that so very few are.  the system depends on the endless and insulating layers of's symbolized in the byzantine leveling within the pentagon. 

i am, like you guys, consistently suspicious of these folks; but i think there's a tendency round here to push things too far.  this 'script' predates putin by ages and ages again...and as to scripts, your theory contravenes all existing scripting.  think for a moment who's the villain-nation par-excellance contra temps?  outside these shores (and reaching a pitch within them), the opinion is decidedly anti-israel.  you think there's a time-bomb ticking with NATO written all over it?  are you daft?  putin is here to convince america that they need one just like attention -- keep your eye on the ball.

there's a reason everything from the rhine up through the norther-most north sea has been spared these duplicitous shams of 'terrorism' within their own borders, and it isn't because america is gonna scapegoat NATO. 

these 28 pages are going to shock in a satisfying way...a way so many have long expected.  this isn't the end of a soap opera where the financee comes back suddenly from the dead; it's a classic saga of traditional foes.

{i don't mean to be an ass...this is just how i make my point}


ZerOhead's picture

Bandar Bin Sultan actually asked that Bush release the 28 pages in the report. (No shit) Bush of course declined his life-long friends request.

No... you are right. People will have to move and we are not talking merely Saudis after it's all said and done.

I keep trying to get a feel for what is happening on Google Trends but guess what? That's right... even when the talk is hottest the trend says it's a dead issue.

They must be shitting in their pants.

I'm just afraid they will need another war.

A big one.

12ToothAssassin's picture


My point was more along the lines of why are they telling us and why are they telling us now?

p00k1e's picture

Wait a minute.

Didn’t the terrorists choose Jeb Bush's, Huffman Aviation, to learn how to fly…. without landing instruction? 

HippieHaulers's picture

I absolutely agree with everything you said except that Snowden is not limited hangout. There are many tiers to propaganda. One set gets the"they're after terrorists" and the one that knows they're not gets the "yes we're doing it so be afraid because you're the real target." Both memes ultimately help TPTB.

lordylord's picture

"But I'm perfectly okay with it under Obama.  Because Obama. "

Whenever I criticize Obama to a democrat, a common answer is, "Well Bush did it too."  First, it's pathetic that democrats justify Obama's polcies based upon Bush's policies.  Meanwhile, Obama still can't surpass the low bar set by Bush.  By all measures, Obama is worse than Bush.  For some reason this is OK for them.  Second, I tell them that I didn't support Bush's policies just like I don't support Obama's because THEY ARE THE SAME BAD POLICIES.

For democrats, it's all about being on team blue, looking cool and trendy, pretending to care about social issues on FB, and collecting their free shit.  RINOs are just as bad, but at least you can't accuse them of trying to be cool.

TahoeBilly2012's picture

Most married male blue team members are blindly hoping that being on said team will get them laid by their wives more often and/or that their wives friends will somehow secretly fantasize about them. 

Froman's picture

I don't know dude...I have seen the wives and girlfriends of the guys on the blue team and I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual; not meaning that they go both ways but rather that they have sex twice a year on the autumnal and vernal equinoxes.  There are some scary ass she beasts on the blue team from top to bottom starting with First Lady Chewbacca and Billary.

Harbanger's picture
"I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual"  -That may make you feel better but it's not true. Women More Likely to Be Democrats by a large margin.

janus's picture

"That may make you feel better but it's not true. Women More Likely to Be Democrats by a large margin."

that may make 'you' feel better, and it may be true.  but a larger truth still consists in quality as a superior consideration to quantity; at least when it comes to women. 

what percentage of women (writ-large) would you esteem fuckable, hmmm?  if your answer is anywhere near 50%, it is certain that you've suffered some sort of trauma to your medula oblongada.  mine is in the single percentiles, and it's on the low side of those...i've done a study (of sorts) on the subject.

as to quality, some of the best don't give two shits for politics whatsover.  so, put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

and, thank God, the best girls love the bad boys:

why do good girls like bad boys?,


p00k1e's picture

This is crazy too:

“I don't know dude...I have seen the wives and girlfriends of the guys on the blue team and I think that the vast majority are closet lesbos or that they are bi-sexual;”

How about, the lifestyle choices made by most women presidential candidates from the Republican Party prove they like to have premarital relations with people from outside their race. 

Harbanger's picture

Hmm,  You may have a point there.  I think that's why the left targeted the women with their BS and still does.   Once you sell the women on big gov the men just go along to get along.  At least until the SHTF, then it's every man for himself.

CoastalCowboy's picture

I dated a blue team babe(She hated being called that!!), and she swung both ways.

No more for bitter shot out blue team feminists for me ever again. She once told me I was too macho.


max2205's picture

We should be ashamed.

If this was the late 1960's Obama would have been run out of office...Bush too

Harbanger's picture

Fact remains, whether they're gay or straight, for the past 50 years most women have been bamboozled into voting for democrats.  I would say 20-30 percent are red team and most of those are religious.

Cathartes Aura's picture

seriously, gotta love how easily you dudes are sidetracked from topics, any topic here really,

into discussing fucking, and "women" - particularly opinions on their "appearance" - it's like high school here sometimes. . .

FYI - "women" would be nuts to vote repub with the ongoing fixation on controling their body parts, y'know for "GAWD" and teh baybees.

as you were.


Harbanger's picture

Controlling body parts? you must be kidding.  You mean drinking big sodas, coffee, and smoking cigarrettes, or do you mean abortions?.  No you're not kidding, you bought into the leftist meme that big gov is necessary for justice.  You want peace and harmony, everyone does.  Well fear no more, no one gives a fuck about your life except the Lord.   You bear the consequences your own sins and your fathers sins.  You can blame whomever you want, but you're still fucked, the Lord will make you remember him again, and AGAIN onto the next generation, you will be JUDGED for what you've sewn.  Therefore I have little hope for this generation BUT HAVE GREAT HOPE FOR HUMANITY.

Cathartes Aura's picture

meh, yer rhetoric is so predictable Harbanger - like most of the god botherers on ZH, you swoon to thoughts of yer made-up maker, sing His praises while pointing fingers at others,

and cursing hell 'n' damnation to all, sitting here typing out your sexual fantasies ("Lola" much? lol) scoring points with the lads, spewing hate on behalf of your "beliefs" - if that's being "godly" or "christian" then thanks for modeling your ideals so clearly.

you bought into the leftist meme that big gov is necessary for justice.  You want peace and harmony,

blah blah blah - I bought into NOTHING of these made-up cultures that you both condemn and worship, and I want NOTHING to do with the govts. you vote in/out, the radio jocks you memorise word for word, the Bibles you quote, the gods you beat others to death with.

history is littered with your arche-types - wars, governments, religions, murders, rapes, destructions - all in the name of some THING you claim to believe, and here comes the latest epic round of misery.

little changes over time, and certainly not minds.

p00k1e's picture

“I voted for the lesser of two evils”.    

If someone sets your house on fire with a match or butane lighter, does it matter which fire is less evil?  The house is on fire!  

"Well who-who did it too."

This is an admission of being helpless.

Save_America1st's picture

starting to wonder if Snowden is really a double-double agent in a way.

Just a theory here:

It feels like he was created/chosen in order to purposely "leak" all this shit the NSA has been doing.  Or else they knew he was gathering all that intel on them and they let him do anyway. 

In some ways it seems like they actually wanted it to come out in such a way (via whistleblower "spy"), so that they could clamp down on the people even harder.  Clamp down on security, the internet, communications, travel, everything...even worse than it has been up until now.

The so-called "alternative" media via the internet had already been exposing nearly everything about the NSA anyway.  Most of what Snowden has revealed was not a surprise to myself and probabaly hundreds of thousands of others.  Sure, names of certain spy programs were unknown and some other intricate details, etc.  But for the most part there's nothing we've heard that has been surprising in any way.

Alex Jones and many others had been exposing this stuff for well over a decade...but because they all are labeled "Conspiracy Theorists" it just didn't get much traction with the sheeple.  And that is always the establishment's plan of attack when faced with the truth...they make you out to be crazy, etc. 

But now that that seems to have played its course it seems like the powers that be decided to change tactics.  Like Carol Quigley, right out in the open telling the world the secrets of the elites when he wrote Tragedy and Hope.  What he said was that there was a "rule" with the elites in that they feel they need to tell us what they are doing and going to do before they do it...even if it's subtle and most people don't even realize it.  At least to the elites they've still upheld their twisted "moral code" of warning us before they fuck us over in various ways. 

That's why I'm starting to think this was their way of revealing what they are doing, even if it's all highly immoral, unethical, illegal, Big Brother bullshit.  They still wanted to let us know to see how we would react to it.

And since Snowden came out with everything haven't you noticed that the vast majority of the sheeple still just roll on apathetically, blissful in their dumbed-down ignorance, still using their voluntary tracking devices (i.e. stupid phones), still texting, emailing, and sending pics, vids, and browsing the internet unsecure and unencrypted, etc. 

This almost seems like a vast social experiment by the government and it's spy agencies to in a way completely confess all their crimes and totally get away with it because they knew the sheeple would continue to love their slavery.

And at the same time it drags out into the open those of us who are totally awake and completely against all this bullshit.  It feels like this was done on purpose to make us think we had won the upper hand in this fight when in actuality it has exposed the fact that they still have more power than ever while we're right out in the open with our asses hanging out and without the hundreds of millions of allies we thought we would have after the so-called Snowden "revelations".

I don't care much at all about stating this...I know it's all being recorded as I'm sure all my opinions about this fucked up, treasonous, socipath government have been read and recorded by them and their systems.  Fuck 'em all. 

It doesn't worry me that they know what I say and think.  It worries me that I'm probably completely right about all of this. 

And it should greatly worry everybody else if I'm right and the sheeple just don't give a shit after all that has been revealed.  Because if I'm right, then none of this is going to's only going to get monstrously worse, and this country and the entire world is more fucked than anyone even imagined before. 


ZerOhead's picture

Good to see you are thinking critically.

I just can't see them ever wanting the world to know they were listening to ALL of Angela Merkel personal calls however...